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CorpusTexan
05-16-2014, 10:20 AM
Ya I like Keenum, it's not like he wasn't thrown into a broken team or anything. The play calling was obvious, the right side of the O line was horrendous, Foster was out and Tate was playing with broken ribs Special teams was a joke. Also Randy Bullock was complete crap and missed how many important field goals? The defense couldn't hold a lead.. Have you actually gone and and evaluated each game? Compare Keenum to other elite QB's first years stats wise. The team was in the hole before CK even got thrown into the mess.

Here's a look at some Household name QB's in their starting year

Peyton Manning = 3-13, Drew Brees 2nd Year = 2-9, Eli Manning = 1-6, Troy Aikman = 0-11, Joe Montana = 2-6 first 2 seasons

One more chance with a Healthy and buffed roster and I think we can make a true assessment.

Thorn
05-16-2014, 10:22 AM
Let's wait and see what BoB thinks of him during training camps.

DX-TEX
05-16-2014, 10:33 AM
Where is the Mallett option?

:slapfight:

The Pencil Neck
05-16-2014, 10:36 AM
Yeah, I'm with Thorn.

This is a little too early to call for me. I want to see how quickly everyone picks up this offense. I want this to be a true competition and let the best man win and I don't care who that best man is.

If it's Fitzpatrick, I'll be OK with that. He's had issues in the past and he's a journeyman but if our defense is stout enough, we could win with him.

If it's Keenum, I'll be pretty psyched. I'm a UH grad and it would be awesome for the hometown boy to rise to the occasion.

If it's Yates, I'd be OK with that. I really liked the moxy and desire he showed when we limped into the playoffs with him.

If it's Savage, I'd be worried but also, I'd be OK. In the past, rookie QBs were always horrible no matter how well they developed and since that's what I grew up with, I always expect a rookie QB to be crap. So. I'd give up hope of a winning season and hope for the best. OTOH, rookie QBs have started to do remarkably well since Roethlisberger went 15-1. Maybe OB can work some magic with this kid, too. I'd be scared going into that first game, though.

Scooter
05-16-2014, 10:43 AM
i've said all along that keenum wouldnt be ready until this season, so i've gotta stick with that route. if he gets significant first team time during camp i think we could see the same growth from last year to this year as we did between the previous. there were numerous moments last year when i couldnt help but smile and say "schaub could never do that" ... and i'm a schaub homer. keenums flaws as we saw last season aren't physical or mechanical or instinctual, they're coachable. his entire issue is read and location - movement and delivery arent even concerns.

therefor my vote goes to keenum. i dont know that he will start, that job would most likely go to fitzmagic, but i would personally want to see if keenum has grown like i expect him to.

xtruroyaltyx
05-16-2014, 10:44 AM
Keenum.

CorpusTexan
05-16-2014, 10:47 AM
I'll back up any QB that gets picked I will add. I just want him to get that chance and if he earns it then all the better. I even stated last year that I couldn't make a true judgement on him just because of the circumstance. I just see something in him for some reason. I have no negative feelings towards any of the QB's we're working with especially if the team fixes the holes aside from the obvious QB position. They've done a good job so far doing just that.

LikeMike
05-16-2014, 10:50 AM
I know Im in the minority here - but I want Savage. I know he is not ready. And I know he will make mistakes. But I want to know what we have in him. The question is, if we are going to take a QB early in the draft next season - we need to know what Savage can do to make that decision.

Of course it goes without saying, that I want an open QB battle in camp and I want the winner to actually start the season. I don`t want to give the job to any guy. But I really hope we get a good look at Savage sometime this season - this would also mean, that he looks good in practice.

But Ill root for any guy that starts for us.

Scooter
05-16-2014, 10:56 AM
c'mon guys, dont take the high road ... who do you really WANT to start and why?

Thorn
05-16-2014, 10:58 AM
c'mon guys, dont take the high road ... who do you really WANT to start and why?

I want Keenum to start and take us to the promised land!!!!!

kingtexan
05-16-2014, 11:01 AM
Going with the Fitz option simply because I think he could be our Trent Dilfer if the defense shines this year.

DX-TEX
05-16-2014, 11:02 AM
Savage. I want him to succeed so we can get The Blindside 2: Tom Savage made into a movie and Nic Cage can star.

ObsiWan
05-16-2014, 11:28 AM
T. J. Yates.
because no one else will vote for him.
and I like underdogs. Why else stay a Texan fan?

Scooter
05-16-2014, 11:29 AM
I want Keenum to start and take us to the promised land!!!!!

lol there ya go!!

CloakNNNdagger
05-16-2014, 11:31 AM
T. J. Yates.
because no one else will vote for him.
and I like underdogs. Why else stay a Texan fan?

Then, how 'bout you giving me a chance to start?:foottap:

ObsiWan
05-16-2014, 11:39 AM
Then, how 'bout you giving me a chance to start?:foottap:
I dunno... maybe... your Wunderlich score was probably really high and O'Brien likes smart players... I think your awareness is pretty good - I've seen you when the beer pitcher level gets low.
But I don't remember you being 6'-4" or better and O'Brien seems to like tallness in his QBs... but then Case isn't that tall...
hmmm.... can you throw the deep out with some zip?
:D


I can't believe I spent my 12,000th post this way
:)

PapaL
05-16-2014, 11:44 AM
Fitzpatrick to start and Savage to take over mid to late season.

DBCooper
05-16-2014, 11:46 AM
Aaron Rodgers

ObsiWan
05-16-2014, 12:34 PM
Aaron Rodgers
NOT one of the choices
:foottap:

76Texan
05-16-2014, 12:43 PM
I don't care if the Texans can trade the farm to accumulate picks for next year.
There will be at least two franchise QBS coming out next year: Mariota and Winston.
You only need to watch their relative debut to know that these guys have it.

You won't hear me complaining if the Texans can get them no matter if I like Keenum or not.

CloakNNNdagger
05-16-2014, 12:44 PM
I dunno... maybe... your Wunderlich score was probably really high and O'Brien likes smart players... I think your awareness is pretty good - I've seen you when the beer pitcher level gets low.
But I don't remember you being 6'-4" or better and O'Brien seems to like tallness in his QBs... but then Case isn't that tall...
hmmm.... can you throw the deep out with some zip?
:D


I can't believe I spent my 12,000th post this way
:)


I can zip the knife in quick and deep! Does that count?:spin:

badboy
05-16-2014, 12:50 PM
I don't care if the Texans can trade the farm to accumulate picks for next year.
There will be at least two franchise QBS coming out next year: Mariota and Winston.
You only need to watch their relative debut to know that these guys have it.

You won't hear me complaining if the Texans can get them no matter if I like Keenum or not.

I'm hoping Hundley will right there also.

False Start
05-16-2014, 12:51 PM
Case. An other option would have been cool too.

Lord Bills
05-16-2014, 12:58 PM
if you voted for fitzpatrick you outta be ashamed of yourself.

in fact i hope andre johnson doesnt find out you voted for fitzpatrick because if he did, he would have cortland finnegan you for voting for him.

smdh.


keenum or savage.

those are the only options. start either or and find out if they can play so we can finally decide to take a qb early in the draft next year.

playing fitzpatrick or yates is just stepping on andre johnson and your fanbase collective soul.

badboy
05-16-2014, 01:03 PM
I can zip the knife in quick and deep! Does that count?:spin:uh are you a ninja assassin on the side?

kingtexan
05-16-2014, 01:16 PM
I don't care if the Texans can trade the farm to accumulate picks for next year.
There will be at least two franchise QBS coming out next year: Mariota and Winston.
You only need to watch their relative debut to know that these guys have it.

You won't hear me complaining if the Texans can get them no matter if I like Keenum or not.

Winston? :spit:

dream_team
05-16-2014, 01:37 PM
keenum or savage.

those are the only options. start either or and find out if they can play so we can finally decide to take a qb early in the draft next year.

playing fitzpatrick or yates is just stepping on andre johnson and your fanbase collective soul.


Wait, I thought we played Keenum for 8 games last season to "see what we got". He lost all 8 games. So now we're making excuses to give him a 2nd shot at showing us what he got?

And I though we ran Schaub out of town because he needed everything around him to be perfect in order for him to succeed. But now, it's ok if Keenum needs that same type of help?


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The Pencil Neck
05-16-2014, 01:38 PM
c'mon guys, dont take the high road ... who do you really WANT to start and why?

OK.

Savage.

I think it would be awesome if this guy who has admitted to being an entitled brat when he was at Rutgers was able to learn some humility and turn it into a great, HOF career. I think he's got the size, the smarts, and the arm to be a great QB.

I wouldn't mind if Case was about to get it together, but I'm wanting Savage to be The Guy for the next decade and a half.

CorpusTexan
05-16-2014, 01:51 PM
Wait, I thought we played Keenum for 8 games last season to "see what we got". He lost all 8 games. So now we're making excuses to give him a 2nd shot at showing us what he got?

And I though we ran Schaub out of town because he needed everything around him to be perfect in order for him to succeed. But now, it's ok if Keenum needs that same type of help?


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Schaub had what... 8 seasons give or take to prove himself already? I made my argument for Case in the OP.

humblegeo
05-16-2014, 02:00 PM
Keenum was 0-8 as a starter last year and towards the end it became painfully clear that he was not the guy. I wanted him to be successful so bad but as I watched every game it just got really bad. Undrafted free agent quarterback that got his shot at an NFL starting Quarterback position and went 0-8. Sorry I've seen enough of him, he got his shot, time to move on!
Bye Bye Case Keenum.

TexCanada
05-16-2014, 02:04 PM
I voted Fitz, but what I really want is to see whoever plays the best in training camp and preseason to start the first game.

eriadoc
05-16-2014, 02:11 PM
Who do I want? I want whoever WINS the job. I hope that's Keenum, but if he doesn't play well enough, I don't want him. Actually, I want Other, but that'll have to wait a year, looks like. So I voted Keenum, FWIW.

HuttoKarl
05-16-2014, 02:16 PM
I voted for the guy with the most NFL experience. Sorry Cougar homers.

CorpusTexan
05-16-2014, 02:17 PM
Keenum was 0-8 as a starter last year and towards the end it became painfully clear that he was not the guy. I wanted him to be successful so bad but as I watched every game it just got really bad. Undrafted free agent quarterback that got his shot at an NFL starting Quarterback position and went 0-8. Sorry I've seen enough of him, he got his shot, time to move on!
Bye Bye Case Keenum.

Ya, I guess Peyton Manning and his 3-13 first season and Troy Aikmans 0-11 season meant they weren't the guys for the job too. Or Drew brees 2-9 his second year or Eli Manning 1-6 his first year. Hell, even Joe Montana was 2-6 in his first two year! Geez

Lord Bills
05-16-2014, 02:48 PM
Schaub had what... 8 seasons give or take to prove himself already? I made my argument for Case in the OP.

Ya, I guess Peyton Manning and his 3-13 first season and Troy Aikmans 0-11 season meant they weren't the guys for the job too. Or Drew brees 2-9 his second year or Eli Manning 1-6 his first year. Hell, even Joe Montana was 2-6 in his first two year! Geez

someone who gets it.

these guys are so vested in wanting to see keenum fail and not given a proper chance are just repugnant human beings.

can you people honestly say keenum was given a fair chance to prove he is a capable nfl starter last year under those conditions?

btw i didnt go to UofH as do a lot of people who want to see keenum given a proper chance. people gave how many years to matt freaking schaub yet cant give a full season and training camp for keenum?

GTFO.

Double Barrel
05-16-2014, 02:56 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2n_tNUYMdGo/0.jpg

The only QB on the Texans roster that has won a playoff game.

gafftop
05-16-2014, 03:05 PM
All I hope is that it is a fair competition and the best one that gives a chance to win starts from the beginning. Not sure that is case based on comment so far. If we start 2-6 or worse then I think maybe you rethink your strategy.

Also I voted for Keenum based on him picking up the system because he could be a long term fix while Fitz is short term.

humblegeo
05-16-2014, 03:06 PM
Fitzpatrick, and Savage...Keenum got his shot last year and couldn't produce a win in 8 games. A big part of why we went 2-14. Undafted free agent Quarterback that might get another shot somewhere else but not here, I've seen enough of him and Yates too! Time for a fresh start with all new players at the quarterback position. Between the three of them last year they couldn't produce but 2 wins. Enough said.

phantom17
05-16-2014, 03:07 PM
I want Fitz, but OB I trust!:swatter:

Hervoyel
05-16-2014, 03:11 PM
That's a tough question because it asks who you "want" starting the 2014 season not who you think "will" start the 2014 season. I'll have to clarify my answer.

I "want" Keenum to start in 2014 because that will mean that OB thinks he's the best option (and that's really the only answer, "Whoever OB thinks gives us the best chance to win") and it will mean that he beat Fitz out of the job. It will also mean that the high points of his 2013 campaign might have been a sign of things to come and that we might get some exciting QB play this year. I want Keenum to start because I like the guy, think he's got some talent, and would like to believe that a lot of what went wrong last year during his tenure as starter wasn't entirely his fault.

Taking my Cougar Red Homer Glasses off now.....

I expect Fitz to start and I don't even know if Keenum will make it out of training camp but he's as likely to be our #2 as Yates, maybe more likely so fingers crossed for Case to hang on one more year. I expect the Texans to win games in 2014 with defense and a running game mostly. I expect Savage to sit most if not all of the year. I expect Yates to get beat out of the backup job by Case but I don't think it's a sure thing. He's closer to the size QB that OB likes.

None of this matters if Mallet gets traded for or we pick up another cast-off QB that OB likes better than either Case or Yates. The only two guys who are set right now are Fitz and Savage.

76Texan
05-16-2014, 03:12 PM
For the Texans' long-term future, I hope Case win the job over Fitz.
If he doesn't, he's not the ideal future of the team and I will look forward to drafting a QB next year in the first round.

ObsiWan
05-16-2014, 03:19 PM
I can zip the knife in quick and deep! Does that count?:spin:

uh are you a ninja assassin on the side?
Naaah... he's just really good with knives.
not unlike this guy...
:D
http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/V-For-Vendetta-psd72879.png

...still, I wouldn't piss him off

IlliniJen
05-16-2014, 03:29 PM
Fitzpatrick to start and Savage to take over mid to late season.

Yup.

The people still holding onto the Keenum torch...I don't get it. I'd love for the kid to prove me wrong, but there's too much homerism-induced myopia when it comes to this guy.

DBCooper
05-16-2014, 03:31 PM
Yup.

The people still holding onto the Keenum torch...I don't get it. I'd love for the kid to prove me wrong, but there's too much homerism-induced myopia when it comes to this guy.

I'll be really surprised if he makes the 53.

ObsiWan
05-16-2014, 03:34 PM
Back to topic...
Herv is absolutely right, the only real answer is whoever O'Brien decides can most effectively run the offense.
I'm betting - based on nothing but instinct - that Fitzy is the starter in September and remains so if we're winning or at least very competitive.

Yates/Keenum should only see the field in case of injury or if Fitzy screws the pooch. That'll happen in the Oct/Nov time frame if we're way under .500.

I cannot see Savage getting a start before late November or December. And that should only happen if the other two guys have crashed and burned and O'Brien wants to know if he needs to spend more than a 4th round pick on a QB.

Caution: the above scenario is a total guess. But then again, that's what we're all doing since O'Brien isn't showing his cards at this point in time.

kiwitexansfan
05-16-2014, 03:43 PM
I voted Savage.

That is the best case scenario. He comes in and proves to be better than Pickspatrick and Keenum.

Gives us the highest ceiling on the season.

dream_team
05-16-2014, 03:51 PM
Ya, I guess Peyton Manning and his 3-13 first season and Troy Aikmans 0-11 season meant they weren't the guys for the job too. Or Drew brees 2-9 his second year or Eli Manning 1-6 his first year. Hell, even Joe Montana was 2-6 in his first two year! Geez


Are you really comparing 1st round draft picks vs a UDFA?


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Hervoyel
05-16-2014, 03:52 PM
I voted Savage.

That is the best case scenario. He comes in and proves to be better than Pickspatrick and Keenum.

Gives us the highest ceiling on the season.


I would not ***** about that. Not one bit.

xtruroyaltyx
05-16-2014, 04:04 PM
I said Keenum earlier, but I really don't have any favorites at this point.

Really, whoever looks the best in camp/pre-season...Whoever that is, so be it...

BigBull
05-16-2014, 04:10 PM
I voted Savage because I want him to come in and pick the offense up quickly. Realistically though I expect Fitzpatrick to win the starters job and start the season. I believe Yates or Keenum will be cut if not both of them. I think Savage will get to start anywhere from 4-8 games depending on how fast he picks up the offense. If the Texans trade for another qb such as Mallet all bets are off.

xtruroyaltyx
05-16-2014, 04:13 PM
Savage winning the starting job would be the best thing for this franchise, tbh.

DBCooper
05-16-2014, 04:13 PM
I'm going Savage, after all the number 3 is my favorite number.

Marcus
05-16-2014, 04:48 PM
Look, I still don't understand this Keenum thing. So, I guess I'll just take for granted that I'm slow on the uptake, and just plead with somebody . . please . . . will someone please . . explain to me . . why they think that last year (a partial season) was plenty enough time for Keenum to prove himself?

Originally Posted by CorpusTexan
Ya, I guess Peyton Manning and his 3-13 first season and Troy Aikmans 0-11 season meant they weren't the guys for the job too. Or Drew brees 2-9 his second year or Eli Manning 1-6 his first year. Hell, even Joe Montana was 2-6 in his first two year! Geez

Orignally posted by Dream_Team
Are you really comparing 1st round draft picks vs a UDFA?

Now, if that isn't a straw-man argument, I don't know what is. How does draft position determine how much time you're given to learn the position??? You're telling me that a David Carr can be given 5 years to learn, just because he's a 1st rounder, while Keenum, just because he's a UDFA, is given less than a year? Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. :rolleyes:

I hate to tell y'all this, but Lord Bills is spot on about this one.

Originally post by humblegeo
Fitzpatrick, and Savage...Keenum got his shot last year and couldn't produce a win in 8 games. A big part of why we went 2-14. Undafted free agent Quarterback that might get another shot somewhere else but not here, I've seen enough of him and Yates too! Time for a fresh start with all new players at the quarterback position. Between the three of them last year they couldn't produce but 2 wins. Enough said.

At least this guy has a set big enough to reveal his true colors. Wanting change just for the sake of making change. :gun:

Goatcheese
05-16-2014, 05:17 PM
I don't get the love affair with Keenum. The guy is a bum.

You take out his Matt Flynn game against Indi and he was pretty much all bad all the time, averaging just 6.4 yards per pass attempt.

Keenum had his shot. He stunk up the place.

Of the QBs on the roster, I'd like to see Yates get another shot. He's at least shown me some potential. Savage is a project who needs to sit.

CorpusTexan
05-16-2014, 05:36 PM
Are you really comparing 1st round draft picks vs a UDFA?


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What does this even mean? Of course I am! Compare CK's stats to their first years and let me know what you come up with. You're the type that blows off someone because of their starting year with a **** team, yet all of the QB's shown have overcome adversity after their first year or two. You don't see potential then fine. But don't sit here and act like he was given a fair chance. You're on some good stuff if you do.

LikeMike
05-16-2014, 05:50 PM
Many people believe in 1st round picks, either because they have all the tools or they have shown something in college, maybe all of the above. That is why they are a first rounder, because several teams were trying to get them.

Few people believe in UFA. They probably don`t have all the tools and are lacking in at least one area. There are many questionmarks around them, that`s why no team didn`t even take a 7th round flyer on them.

First round picks get millions of guaranteed money. UFA get peanuts. Of course you evaluate them differently. I am not saying Keenum doesn`t deserve another shot. I think he looked pretty good, but the pressure killed him. And midway through the season, everything went to hell anyways.

But Keenum had a chance for 8 games. That is more than basically any other UFA gets. He should get another chance to prove himself in camp and preseason, but he hasn`t earned anything so far. If he earns the spot, Id be happy for him. If he doesn`t I don`t feel sorry for him. Right now Savage is the more intriguing prospect.

Corrosion
05-16-2014, 06:39 PM
Where's the option for Texan Bill ?! :texanbill:

Seegara
05-16-2014, 06:51 PM
Don't really want any of them but Fitzpatrick is the least of evils among these 4. Keenum and Yates have already disproved themselves. Savage might develop into a starter but isn't ready yet.

Brandon420tx
05-16-2014, 07:03 PM
I have watched 3 of the 4 QBs play in the NFL. And of those 3, I only really enjoyed watching one of them.

I voted for Keenum, even his "bad" games were more exciting than what I've seen from Fitzpatrick (sans Bengals late game comeback vs. us) and Yates.

Lord Bills
05-16-2014, 07:05 PM
people are actually clamoring for ryan fitzpatrick to start??????

S

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:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm::toropalm:


& people wonder why dre doesnt want to be here?


this is why we will never win a superbowl. instead of rooting to see if keenum can actually do it under the evaluation and tutelage of obrien or going with a rookie who could be something, the fanbase wants a retread failure to play the most important position in the nfl.

I seriously hope you guys think about why you are a fan of the texans and football in general.

thunderkyss
05-16-2014, 07:06 PM
I want Keenum to start. I want the Texans to win a Super Bowl. I want $100B.

I think Keenum is going to start. I think McNair believes in him, I think Rick Smith believes in him. I think it would be good for the city of Houston, the fans, & of course ticket sales.

I think OB agreed to give him a fair shot, not that it was conditional of getting the job or anything. But I think anyone can watch last year's games & know we'd have won a lot more if we had Su'a-filo playing in place of Wade Smith.

Yeah, Newton playing ole' style pass pro didn't help, but not being able to convert 3&short, 4th&short, or score TDs in the red zone is what really killed us.

Lord Bills
05-16-2014, 07:07 PM
I want Keenum to start. I want the Texans to win a Super Bowl. I want $100B.

I think Keenum is going to start. I think McNair believes in him, I think Rick Smith believes in him. I think it would be good for the city of Houston, the fans, & of course ticket sales.

I think OB agreed to give him a fair shot, not that it was conditional of getting the job or anything. But I think anyone can watch last year's games & know we'd have won a lot more if we had Su'a-filo playing in place of Wade Smith.

Yeah, Newton playing ole' style pass pro didn't help, but not being able to convert 3&short, 4th&short, or score TDs in the red zone is what really killed us.

that's on kubiak.

i seem to remember the great matt schaub also have trouble with blitzes.

thunderkyss
05-16-2014, 07:09 PM
...the fanbase wants a retread failure to play the most important position in the nfl.


Agreed. This is a who do you "want" to start, not a who do you "think" should start, or "think" will start.

The Pencil Neck
05-16-2014, 07:14 PM
that's on kubiak.

i seem to remember the great matt schaub also have trouble with blitzes.

Only after his foot injury.

Prior to that, his QB rating went up against the blitz. IIRC, prior to his injury, his QB rating was in the 120's against the blitz.

thunderkyss
05-16-2014, 07:15 PM
that's on kubiak.

i seem to remember the great matt schaub also have trouble with blitzes.

The kid should carry his fair share of blame. If it's one guy, that's his guy, & he should be able to compensate. On a percentage basis, he was behind a "solid" offensive line for more snaps than he was behind a porous OL. He had a good pocket to throw from more, way more often than not.

He, like you, should understand the need to get better. Thankfully he's going to get an opportunity to show that he has indeed gotten better. Regardless what you, I, or anyone here thinks.

So it really makes no sense to belabor the point. You know it's going to happen, I know it's going to happen.... let them go on & on, keep giving them the rope they need. Then come week 9 when we're 6-3 and they're all, "I knew it. I never doubted Case. blah, blah, blah" you & I can sit back & laugh.

I'd offer to share a beer with you, but for some reason I think that's illegal.

leebigeztx
05-16-2014, 07:20 PM
TJ Yates. Managed the game as a 5th rd rookie with a good defense and running game. Made enough plays as a rookie to hold the division. We know what fitz is and its not good at all. If TJ struggles, bring in Savage and see if he's progressed. If he doesn't, draft a qb because the texans will be one of the 8 worse teams in nfl.

Lord Bills
05-16-2014, 07:23 PM
The kid should carry his fair share of blame. If it's one guy, that's his guy, & he should be able to compensate. On a percentage basis, he was behind a "solid" offensive line for more snaps than he was behind a porous OL. He had a good pocket to throw from more, way more often than not.

He, like you, should understand the need to get better. Thankfully he's going to get an opportunity to show that he has indeed gotten better. Regardless what you, I, or anyone here thinks.

So it really makes no sense to belabor the point. You know it's going to happen, I know it's going to happen.... let them go on & on, keep giving them the rope they need. Then come week 9 when we're 6-3 and they're all, "I knew it. I never doubted Case. blah, blah, blah" you & I can sit back & laugh.

I'd offer to share a beer with you, but for some reason I think that's illegal.

did you see kubiak call any anti blitz plays?

-change the call at the line of scrimmage?

nope. nobody is allowed that.

-slants? curl routes?

nope.

-draw plays?

only on 2nd and long. kubiak staple.

i didnt go to UofH. Just because you want to see keenum get a fair shake at starting doesnt mean you are some UofH homer.

KEENUM DID NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE LAST YEAR.

Not during training camp and not during the season which he was thrust into the starting role of what was one of the most dysfunctional seasons in franchise history. Injuries on both sides of the ball with absolutely no running game.

I find it hard to believe a guy who basically went no huddle spread offense at college not being able to read a blitz.

It was kubiak who couldnt read a blitz not keenum.

humblegeo
05-16-2014, 07:25 PM
Keenum got a fair shot at winning the starting job and just couldn't make it happen. By the end of the season I think it became perfectly clear to the Texan fans that he is not our Quarterback of the future! Yates has also had several opportunities over the years to prove what he can do and it's clear to this Texan fan that he is no better than a second string backup QB. Not impressed with either one at this point.

EllisUnit
05-16-2014, 07:27 PM
Although i like Keenum a lot and want him to succeed i truly think Savage will start, and i believe he wont disappoint.

DBCooper
05-16-2014, 07:45 PM
people are actually clamoring for ryan fitzpatrick to start??????

S

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:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm::toropalm:


& people wonder why dre doesnt want to be here?


this is why we will never win a superbowl. instead of rooting to see if keenum can actually do it under the evaluation and tutelage of obrien or going with a rookie who could be something, the fanbase wants a retread failure to play the most important position in the nfl.

I seriously hope you guys think about why you are a fan of the texans and football in general.

S M D H, is that your credo?

Sh!tting Monkeys Dig Herpes?

thunderkyss
05-16-2014, 08:28 PM
KEENUM DID NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE LAST YEAR.


DOES NOT MATTER!!

If you read the whole post, I'm saying Keenum will get his shot. He can prove whatever the heck he wants at that point.

Although i like Keenum a lot and want him to succeed i truly think Savage will start, and i believe he wont disappoint.

I do too, but we know that's going to happen at some point this season, if

Whoever they deem the starter isn't winning
Savage proves himself ready.


So I don't really think Savage should be an option, we know at some point we're going to see him start, unless for whatever reason we make it to 7-2, with four of the seven games after the bye being home games.

Marshall
05-16-2014, 08:45 PM
I can zip the knife in quick and deep! Does that count?:spin:

Depends on how soon you want to room with Hernandez...

Marshall
05-16-2014, 08:50 PM
Fitzpatrick, and Savage...Keenum got his shot last year and couldn't produce a win in 8 games. A big part of why we went 2-14. Undafted free agent Quarterback that might get another shot somewhere else but not here, I've seen enough of him and Yates too! Time for a fresh start with all new players at the quarterback position. Between the three of them last year they couldn't produce but 2 wins. Enough said.

I know it's a new concept, but there's NO QB who can do it on his own including the all time greats. They can overcome some problems, but not the magnitude of the problems toward the end of the year.

burro
05-16-2014, 09:18 PM
whomever AJ wants. losing him makes these options suck more a million times over.

Steleehin
05-16-2014, 09:49 PM
I want Yates to get a shot , but it will be fitz starting.
Keenum on practice squad since he is the only one with eligibility
Savage will be inactive on game days till needed

infantrycak
05-16-2014, 09:56 PM
I want Yates to get a shot , but it will be fitz starting.
Keenum on practice squad since he is the only one with eligibility
Savage will be inactive on game days till needed

Keenum is not practice squad eligible and most likely would not make it through waivers anyway so they wouldn't try even if he was.

Steleehin
05-16-2014, 10:06 PM
Yeah I guess he was on the active roster for a full year last year I was thinking more about the number of games he played

BigBull
05-17-2014, 12:54 AM
Keenum is not practice squad eligible and most likely would not make it through waivers anyway so they wouldn't try even if he was.


I herd on the radio the other day that Keenum is still eligible due to the amount of game he was inactive last season even though he started or played in what 8 games last year.


Sent from the future...

BigBull
05-17-2014, 12:55 AM
Double post

Norg
05-17-2014, 02:09 AM
David Carr hes not doing nothing LOL

dream_team
05-17-2014, 04:07 AM
What does this even mean? Of course I am! Compare CK's stats to their first years and let me know what you come up with. You're the type that blows off someone because of their starting year with a **** team, yet all of the QB's shown have overcome adversity after their first year or two. You don't see potential then fine. But don't sit here and act like he was given a fair chance. You're on some good stuff if you do.

TBH, I think Case deserves a shot to start next season... just because our other options aren't much better. But if BOB names Fitz the game 1 starter, I'm not going to be angry and claim Case didn't get a fair chance. He got more of a shot than most QBs ever get. TJ got less of a chance, when does he get his?

Grams
05-17-2014, 06:18 AM
I don't really care who starts this season.

As long as OB feels that guy gives us the best chance of winning.

Right now OB gets a pass on his decisions - at least till we see how the team performs with this coaching staff.

Thorn
05-17-2014, 06:55 AM
I don't really care who starts this season.

As long as OB feels that guy gives us the best chance of winning.

Right now OB gets a pass on his decisions - at least till we see how the team performs with this coaching staff.

That's my take on things as well. I want to see how the team is under new management.

HJam72
05-17-2014, 07:18 AM
Whomever plays QB the best (by the end of preseason, taking into account strength of opponents--ie, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string).

Hopefully, that will be somebody that can actually win a game or two in the regular season...


:toropalm:

PapaL
05-17-2014, 07:45 AM
Whomever plays QB the best (by the end of preseason, taking into account strength of opponents--ie, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string).

Hopefully, that will be somebody that can actually win a game or two in the regular season...


:toropalm:

In that case bring Schaub back. He won 2 games for us last year.

ObsiWan
05-17-2014, 09:31 AM
In that case bring Schaub back. He won 2 games for us last year.
You joke but if we could upload Schaub's experience in Savage's body, we might just have something...
Schaub's main problem was lack of arm strength; that shouldn't be an issue with Savage. Savage's problem is inexperience. Schaub has the experience but has a bad wheel and an average arm (some say not even that)

infantrycak
05-17-2014, 10:53 AM
You joke but if we could upload Schaub's experience in Savage's body, we might just have something...
Schaub's main problem was lack of arm strength; that shouldn't be an issue with Savage. Savage's problem is inexperience. Schaub has the experience but has a bad wheel and an average arm (some say not even that)

After all the beating he took about that over the years I thought it was funny in the last game when he chucked one 63 yds in the air without using a mortar trajectory or hauling back to give it his all.

But on your main point, absolutely. You could say the same even more so if you could brain transplant from Schaub to Carr.

Ryan
05-17-2014, 11:44 AM
After all the beating he took about that over the years I thought it was funny in the last game when he chucked one 63 yds in the air without using a mortar trajectory or hauling back to give it his all.

But on your main point, absolutely. You could say the same even more so if you could brain transplant from Schaub to Carr.

And after he threw the pick six against Seattle, he came back on the field and started throwing bullets for a bit.

Double Barrel
05-17-2014, 01:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub is "not broken" in Oakland.

To me, the Texans have four clipboard holders on the roster right now until proven otherwise. Obviously, one of them has to start, so let's just hope whoever it is can at least not be a liability.

TJ Yates has the best memes of the four:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_aOKL8oOCOk/Tuj-ZIn155I/AAAAAAAAAuM/bspZevTqQi0/s1600/YatesAliens.jpg

But Fitz is a close second:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35170188.jpg

Although this Keenum one made me laugh:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43086907.jpg

And in the interest of fairness, one for Tom:

http://memecrunch.com/meme/3APKY/tom-savage/image.png

humblegeo
05-18-2014, 09:02 AM
When you get your opportunity in the NFL you have to make the most of it especially when your an UDFA. Did Keenum with his 8 starts in the NFL? I think he did the best he could do. He got his shot. We all know the results. Couldnt make it happen. Sorry UH fans but it really is time to move on and give someone else their shot.

CorpusTexan
05-18-2014, 09:34 AM
When you get your opportunity in the NFL you have to make the most of it especially when your an UDFA. Did Keenum with his 8 starts in the NFL? I think he did the best he could do. He got his shot. We all know the results. Couldnt make it happen. Sorry UH fans but it really is time to move on and give someone else their shot.

Did Troy Aikman with his 0-11 first season? Or Peyton Manning with his 3-13 first season? By the way I never watched one game of UH. Didn't even know who CK was until he was picked up by the Texans.

humblegeo
05-18-2014, 09:53 AM
Were they undrafted free agent quarterbacks that no NFL team even wanted in the first place?? Texans took a chance with him last year and gave the local guy a shot at the NFL. 0-8 NFL record and one of the reasons we had a 2-14 record last year and new coaching staff this year. We could have given Yates those 8 games but everyone was screaming bloody murder for Keenum. By the time the season ended it was perfectly clear why Keenum was an UDFA. I think he can get better. I like him but not as a starter and I just don't think there is room for him on the roster anymore with Fitzpatrick, Savage and Yates. Get over it.

CorpusTexan
05-18-2014, 10:01 AM
Ya, nothing you said logically makes sense. Just because he's a UDFA that was thrown into a ****ty situation. Wait, he blows cause he couldn't pick up the blitz packages? Yep, the line wasn't complete ****. So if he was coached up and learned to react to the blitz better he'd still be worthless? It's like you didn't even watch him play. You're an instant gratification kinda guy. You don't use reason or logic. So why is okay for those I mentioned to start horrendously yet it's not okay for an UDFA who obviously showed he's got the skill but needs the TEAM and experience / coaching to back it up. Also, to think that everyone that voted for CK is a UofH fan boy is ridiculous. He's got the most votes for a reason.

Texan in Japan
05-18-2014, 10:38 AM
I see Fitz as our #2 and the veteran mentor role. Savage is #3 and clip board holder until he's ready, clearly he has potential, but needs time to adjust and grow. Case and TJ have the best shots at #1. TJ did well as a rookie, but has seemed to regress since then. Case played like a phenom for spurts, but poor play calling/management and OL play, as well as injuries basically sunk him.

The way I see it, there are two guys that can help us win from QB position this year--Fitz and Case. You know exactly what you get with Fitz, when he's in a groove he can be a pretty decent QB, problem is his groove usually only lasts 2-3 games. Case showed the play-making ability and arm talent to move the team. I have to believe with OB's coaching/system, Case has a real chance to be a decent QB. I mean he made Matt McGloin relevant, Case seems to have more talent than him, don't u think?

So I want to see Case at #1, Fitz at #2 and Savage at #3. I think this combo gives us the best chance for success next year and success in the future. If we try and throw Savage into the mix this year, I think it will be a mistake, unless it's towards the end of the year. Savage is a #4 for several reasons, but it's clear he needs some time to learn, grow and refine his game. Physically he has the gifts, but working with OB/Godsey for a year and watching from the sidelines will give him a chance to prepare for his opportunity when it comes. We're too impatient today, when you look at McNairs, Rodgers, etc. they had multiple years to learn and grow. They had an opportunity to develop.

Case had an 8 game audition and I imagine he learned a lot about the speed and complexity of the game. I expect him to come back and step up to the challenge and win the starting job. I may be wrong and TJ may be the guy that steps up and takes the job, but in either instance, I'd rather Fitz stay at #2 and Tom solidify #3 for now.

ATXtexanfan
05-18-2014, 11:18 AM
Fitzpatrick to start and Savage to take over mid to late season.

Yup. Wouldn't surprise me if Yates and Keenum are let go. A vet was brought in along with a Draft pick for a reason

drs23
05-18-2014, 12:29 PM
Yeah, I'm with Thorn.

This is a little too early to call for me. I want to see how quickly everyone picks up this offense. I want this to be a true competition and let the best man win and I don't care who that best man is.

If it's Fitzpatrick, I'll be OK with that. He's had issues in the past and he's a journeyman but if our defense is stout enough, we could win with him.

If it's Keenum, I'll be pretty psyched. I'm a UH grad and it would be awesome for the hometown boy to rise to the occasion.

If it's Yates, I'd be OK with that. I really liked the moxy and desire he showed when we limped into the playoffs with him.

If it's Savage, I'd be worried but also, I'd be OK. In the past, rookie QBs were always horrible no matter how well they developed and since that's what I grew up with, I always expect a rookie QB to be crap. So. I'd give up hope of a winning season and hope for the best. OTOH, rookie QBs have started to do remarkably well since Roethlisberger went 15-1. Maybe OB can work some magic with this kid, too. I'd be scared going into that first game, though.

I honestly don't think we've got too much to worry about there. I see him sitting and learning. As it should be.

LikeMike
05-18-2014, 12:36 PM
Ya, nothing you said logically makes sense. Just because he's a UDFA that was thrown into a ****ty situation. Wait, he blows cause he couldn't pick up the blitz packages? Yep, the line wasn't complete ****. So if he was coached up and learned to react to the blitz better he'd still be worthless? It's like you didn't even watch him play. You're an instant gratification kinda guy. You don't use reason or logic. So why is okay for those I mentioned to start horrendously yet it's not okay for an UDFA who obviously showed he's got the skill but needs the TEAM and experience / coaching to back it up. Also, to think that everyone that voted for CK is a UofH fan boy is ridiculous. He's got the most votes for a reason.

The NFL isn`t fair. And there are a lot of guys that want to be QB in this league. CK got 8 starts as an UDFA - that is more than most other QBs get.

I am not saying he shouldn`t get another shot. I like watching him. But he hasn`t earned it yet. He has to earn it in camp. In the 8 games he looked good at times and horrible at times, and his play got worse as the season went on. He showed some promise, but nothing more. So let there be an open camp battle.

And of course you get guys that were first round picks more time - you`ve invested a lot more in them, not just the draft pick and a lot more money but also your own assessment. You have drafted him so early, because you`ve seen the promise of greatness in him. You believe in that guy - and it`s hard to accept that you were wrong.

There is practically no investment in UDFA. 32 team passed on him 7 times, because they don`t believe in him enough. We believed in him enough to get him a roster spot and let him start 8 games after our QB imploded. He should be grateful for that and work his butt so OB doesn`t have a chance but to start him. If he isn`t good enough or another QB shows more promise, he should sit.

drs23
05-18-2014, 01:38 PM
That's a tough question because it asks who you "want" starting the 2014 season not who you think "will" start the 2014 season. I'll have to clarify my answer.

I "want" Keenum to start in 2014 because that will mean that OB thinks he's the best option (and that's really the only answer, "Whoever OB thinks gives us the best chance to win") and it will mean that he beat Fitz out of the job. It will also mean that the high points of his 2013 campaign might have been a sign of things to come and that we might get some exciting QB play this year. I want Keenum to start because I like the guy, think he's got some talent, and would like to believe that a lot of what went wrong last year during his tenure as starter wasn't entirely his fault.

Taking my Cougar Red Homer Glasses off now.....

I expect Fitz to start and I don't even know if Keenum will make it out of training camp but he's as likely to be our #2 as Yates, maybe more likely so fingers crossed for Case to hang on one more year. I expect the Texans to win games in 2014 with defense and a running game mostly. I expect Savage to sit most if not all of the year. I expect Yates to get beat out of the backup job by Case but I don't think it's a sure thing. He's closer to the size QB that OB likes.

None of this matters if Mallet gets traded for or we pick up another cast-off QB that OB likes better than either Case or Yates. The only two guys who are set right now are Fitz and Savage.

:goodpost:

One of the better I've read. Maybe because I agree totally. :)

TheMatrix31
05-18-2014, 05:58 PM
Fitzpatrick, because a stable yet unspectacular QB with offensive weapons like Andre Johnson and Arian Foster and a strong defense can do pretty impressive things given any semblance of luck.

dream_team
05-18-2014, 07:41 PM
That's a tough question because it asks who you "want" starting the 2014 season not who you think "will" start the 2014 season. I'll have to clarify my answer.

I "want" Keenum to start in 2014 because that will mean that OB thinks he's the best option (and that's really the only answer, "Whoever OB thinks gives us the best chance to win") and it will mean that he beat Fitz out of the job. It will also mean that the high points of his 2013 campaign might have been a sign of things to come and that we might get some exciting QB play this year. I want Keenum to start because I like the guy, think he's got some talent, and would like to believe that a lot of what went wrong last year during his tenure as starter wasn't entirely his fault.

Taking my Cougar Red Homer Glasses off now.....

I expect Fitz to start and I don't even know if Keenum will make it out of training camp but he's as likely to be our #2 as Yates, maybe more likely so fingers crossed for Case to hang on one more year. I expect the Texans to win games in 2014 with defense and a running game mostly. I expect Savage to sit most if not all of the year. I expect Yates to get beat out of the backup job by Case but I don't think it's a sure thing. He's closer to the size QB that OB likes.

None of this matters if Mallet gets traded for or we pick up another cast-off QB that OB likes better than either Case or Yates. The only two guys who are set right now are Fitz and Savage.

I agree 100%! Great post!

Despite the perceived tone of my previous posts, I actually hope Case is our starting QB next season. That is assuming he obviously outplayed everyone else and totally deserves the chance. (Not that he "should" get a chance because he didn't fairly get one last season.) Call me a sucker, but I always root for the hometown guy. Same exact reason I was really hoping Kubiak would work out.

After saying that, I don't think Keenum "deserves" a chance to start. Nor do I think he will be the starter next season. If I had to guess, Fitz is starting game one, with Savage #2. There will be a good battle between Yates & Case for #3. If the Mallet trade ever goes through, so long Case & TJ.

Lord Bills
05-18-2014, 08:09 PM
I see Fitz as our #2 and the veteran mentor role. Savage is #3 and clip board holder until he's ready, clearly he has potential, but needs time to adjust and grow. Case and TJ have the best shots at #1. TJ did well as a rookie, but has seemed to regress since then. Case played like a phenom for spurts, but poor play calling/management and OL play, as well as injuries basically sunk him.

The way I see it, there are two guys that can help us win from QB position this year--Fitz and Case. You know exactly what you get with Fitz, when he's in a groove he can be a pretty decent QB, problem is his groove usually only lasts 2-3 games. Case showed the play-making ability and arm talent to move the team. I have to believe with OB's coaching/system, Case has a real chance to be a decent QB. I mean he made Matt McGloin relevant, Case seems to have more talent than him, don't u think?

So I want to see Case at #1, Fitz at #2 and Savage at #3. I think this combo gives us the best chance for success next year and success in the future. If we try and throw Savage into the mix this year, I think it will be a mistake, unless it's towards the end of the year. Savage is a #4 for several reasons, but it's clear he needs some time to learn, grow and refine his game. Physically he has the gifts, but working with OB/Godsey for a year and watching from the sidelines will give him a chance to prepare for his opportunity when it comes. We're too impatient today, when you look at McNairs, Rodgers, etc. they had multiple years to learn and grow. They had an opportunity to develop.

Case had an 8 game audition and I imagine he learned a lot about the speed and complexity of the game. I expect him to come back and step up to the challenge and win the starting job. I may be wrong and TJ may be the guy that steps up and takes the job, but in either instance, I'd rather Fitz stay at #2 and Tom solidify #3 for now.

i like this post.

i like it a lot.

Texecutioner
05-18-2014, 08:13 PM
i like this post.

i like it a lot.

Yates doesn't have a shot at anything other than being a 3rd stringer on this team or some other team. All of the stuff about Yates over the years has probably been the worst arguments I ever saw in here dating back to that year people were actually saying he could possibly take the Texans to a SB. That guy never looked like an NFL starter. Keenum showed flashes at least. Savage to me seems like he might have the best shot to do something if he ever materializes, but even that would be a long shot.

thunderkyss
05-18-2014, 08:20 PM
We're too impatient today, when you look at McNairs, Rodgers, etc. they had multiple years to learn and grow. They had an opportunity to develop.

Case had an 8 game audition and I imagine he learned a lot about the speed and complexity of the game. I expect him to come back and step up to the challenge and win the starting job. I may be wrong and TJ may be the guy that steps up and takes the job, but in either instance, I'd rather Fitz stay at #2 and Tom solidify #3 for now.

Except when McNair & Rodgers finally got on the field, they took their teams to the play offs. We couldn't even move the ball in the second half, much less score.

Think about that. We couldn't move the ball.


I'm rooting for Case, but let's be real. Case has been sitting on the sideline learning for two years... what good did that do him? There are somethings you shouldn't have to teach the future of your franchise. Don't run out of bounds when you're behind the LOS... & don't take a 20 yard sack.

That's the difference between 1-15 Troy Aikman, poor starting Peyton Manning. They didn't win a lot as rookies, but they didn't do boneheaded things either (that I can remember). As rookies, which Case wasn't.

infantrycak
05-18-2014, 08:26 PM
Except when McNair & Rodgers finally got on the field, they took their teams to the play offs.

McNair was in his 4th year of starting after 2 years of spot starts before they made the playoffs. Rodgers went 6-10 after 3 years behind Favre the last of which they were 13-3.

I doubt Keenum is going to win the job but that isn't accurate.

thunderkyss
05-18-2014, 09:32 PM
McNair was in his 4th year of starting after 2 years of spot starts before they made the playoffs. Rodgers went 6-10 after 3 years behind Favre the last of which they were 13-3.

I doubt Keenum is going to win the job but that isn't accurate.

Ahh... so there is hope for Keenum. Thanks for the correction.

ObsiWan
05-18-2014, 10:32 PM
Did Troy Aikman with his 0-11 first season? Or Peyton Manning with his 3-13 first season? By the way I never watched one game of UH. Didn't even know who CK was until he was picked up by the Texans.
Be realistic. Both Aikman and Manning were 1-1 picks. As a rule - fair or not - first round QB picks are given lots and lots of chances; especially number one overall picks.

When you slow down and think about it, Keenum was lucky to get picked up at all given that (a) he's small by NFL standards for a QB and (b) the underwhelming history of U of H QBs. Andre Ware, David Klingler, Kevin Kolb all put up big college numbers but only Kolb has had some limited success in the NFL.

This is Keenum's third year. I think, I don't know why, but I think O'Brien will give him a fair shot to earn the starter job in camp. But he has to obviously beat out a nine-year vet in Fitzpatrick and O'Brien's hand-picked QB in Savage.
It won't be easy.
And it won't be based on fan voting.

thunderkyss
05-19-2014, 12:18 AM
This is Keenum's third year. I think, I don't know why, but I think O'Brien will give him a fair shot to earn the starter job in camp. But he has to obviously beat out a nine-year vet in Fitzpatrick and O'Brien's hand-picked QB in Savage.
It won't be easy.
And it won't be based on fan voting.

I disagree.

It should be easy. It's not like they brought in a 1st round pick for him to compete against. It's not like they brought in a Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, or Peyton Manning.

Fitzpatrick sets the bar, but it's not very high.

ObsiWan
05-19-2014, 03:55 AM
I disagree.

It should be easy. It's not like they brought in a 1st round pick for him to compete against. It's not like they brought in a Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, or Peyton Manning.

Fitzpatrick sets the bar, but it's not very high.

The only way it's "easy" is if Keenum shows more ability to step his game up than he's shown so far.

Playoffs
05-19-2014, 09:40 AM
I think the depth chart will be Fitz, Yates, Savage opening day.

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 10:13 AM
I think the depth chart will be Fitz, Yates, Savage opening day.

My guess is that Yates and Keenum will not be here on opening day.

I don't doubt they will make another QB move before camp.

disaacks3
05-19-2014, 10:16 AM
I'm looking for an "other" or "none of the above" option.

Hervoyel
05-19-2014, 11:35 AM
My guess is that Yates and Keenum will not be here on opening day.

I don't doubt they will make another QB move before camp.

I've had that in the back of my mind for a while. Pure speculation follows: I don't think OB is thinking "I've got to get rid of these guys! They suck!" or anything like that. I'm kind of hoping that his comments up until now indicate that he's pleasantly surprised that the guys he inherited aren't complete morons (particularly since the owner is fond of one of them) but I also don't doubt for a second that he'll upgrade any position he feels like he can and so I expect him to be watching the waiver wire closely. If a QB becomes available that he likes or is intrigued by (backup most likely, starter if one should become available and fit into our cap/situation) then I think he'll snap him up.

It's huge for Keenum and Yates that they pick things up fast and impress OB in OTA's. Their continued careers here and maybe even in the NFL depend on it.

ObsiWan
05-19-2014, 11:36 AM
My guess is that Yates and Keenum will not be here on opening day.

I don't doubt they will make another QB move before camp.
You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 11:38 AM
You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.

Actually I'm thinking:

New Dude
Hopefully Savage
FitzMagic

Along the lines of the Mallet trade rumors.

CorpusTexan
05-19-2014, 11:54 AM
The only way it's "easy" is if Keenum shows more ability to step his game up than he's shown so far.

He absolutely has to step his game up. If he plays like last year then good luck to him in whatever's thrown his way. My whole point is I don't think he was given a fair chance considering the teams situation is all. I'm not saying he's the answer, BUT if he can fix those issues he had personally; while the team addresses theirs I think the kids got potential to do something. That's all. People saying he's 1 and done is just silly to me. That's for him to prove in preseason though.. may the best man win.

Hervoyel
05-19-2014, 11:56 AM
You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.

Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.

ObsiWan
05-19-2014, 12:10 PM
Actually I'm thinking:

New Dude
Hopefully Savage
FitzMagic

Along the lines of the Mallet trade rumors.
Well, new dude better show up before OTAs are over or he's gonna be too far behind the learning curve to start the season as numero uno...

Then there's the small matter that the currently available list of F/A QBs kinda suck.
To wit (from the ESPN F/A Tracker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/?year=2014&position=8&type=-1)):
Jimmy Clausen
David Garrard
sexy Rexy Grossman
Kevin Kolb (another U-H QB bites the dust)
Brady Quinn (is he still around?)
Seneca Wallace

And there's no backup out there that I would spend a draft pick on; including Mallett.

But that's just me.

Thorn
05-19-2014, 12:18 PM
Jesus fellows, we DON'T HAVE a starting QB on our team right now, and there isn't a proven one available to be signed. If they are actually any good, they are already starting or come at to high a price. We have what we have, and if there is another new QB thrown in the mix, it sure as hell isn't going to be a proven starter.

At this point all I say is I would like to see Keenum take us to the promised land. But if he isn't on the roster this season, I'm not gonna cry about it. For now I'm just waiting on our new coaching staff and the pre-season. Besides, we all know BoB has different ideas about what a starting QB is supposed to be like than Kubiak did. That means the only thing we know for sure is we don't know anything yet. LOL

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 12:19 PM
Well, new dude better show up before OTAs are over or he's gonna be too far behind the learning curve to start the season as numero uno...

Then there's the small matter that the currently available list of F/A QBs kinda suck.
To wit (from the ESPN F/A Tracker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/?year=2014&position=8&type=-1)):
Jimmy Clausen
David Garrard
sexy Rexy Grossman
Kevin Kolb (another U-H QB bites the dust)
Brady Quinn (is he still around?)
Seneca Wallace

And there's no backup out there that I would spend a draft pick on; including Mallett.

But that's just me.

All very true.

I keep hoping O'Brien pulls one out of his errr hat!

kingtexan
05-19-2014, 12:21 PM
Jesus fellows, we DON'T HAVE a starting QB on our team right now, and there isn't a proven one available to be signed.

Real similar to the situation the Ravens were in before they won their first SB.

ObsiWan
05-19-2014, 12:25 PM
Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.
True enough.
Whichever guy shows he has a better command of O'Brien's offense AND can think on his feet at the line of scrimmage the best will win the starting job.

I will throw this "bone" to the Keenum krowd... From what little I've seen in O'Brien's coaching clinic videos (there are links to a few in the "O'Brien hired as HC" thread), he tends to run some variation of a spread offense like New England does. AND seeing as that the spread was the flavor of offense Case operated - flourished? - in while at U-H, one would think he could adapt to O'Brien's flavor of spread at least as fast - if not faster - as any of the other guys.
...one would think...
Now that's just a SWAG (SCIENTIFIC Wild- A$$ Guess) on my part but it seems at least plausible (as they say on Mythbusters) if not probable.
We shall watch the unfolding with great interest.
http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/starwars/images/moviequotes/starwars1_clip26.jpg

DocBar
05-19-2014, 02:07 PM
Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.Another excellent post. It's like you're reading my mind on this subject.

I want the QB that BO'B thinks is the right guy to start. I think
that will be Fitz. I also think it will be an open competition. It will be interesting, and telling, how BO'B handles the QB's in PS games.

I doubt we see Savage unless it's late in the season and have a lot more L's than W's.

drs23
05-19-2014, 03:08 PM
True enough.
Whichever guy shows he has a better command of O'Brien's offense AND can think on his feet at the line of scrimmage the best will win the starting job.

I will throw this "bone" to the Keenum krowd... From what little I've seen in O'Brien's coaching clinic videos (there are links to a few in the "O'Brien hired as HC" thread), he tends to run some variation of a spread offense like New England does. AND seeing as that the spread was the flavor of offense Case operated - flourished? - in while at U-H, one would think he could adapt to O'Brien's flavor of spread at least as fast - if not faster - as any of the other guys.
...one would think...
Now that's just a SWAG (SCIENTIFIC Wild- A$$ Guess) on my part but it seems at least plausible (as they say on Mythbusters) if not probable.
We shall watch the unfolding with great interest.
http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/starwars/images/moviequotes/starwars1_clip26.jpg

While that's true RE what happened in NE the draft choices made doesn't fit that MO in my eyes. I think it will evolve into that style more or less over time. This year it seems the be set up to run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it. I, like everyone else, can't wait to see what really happens on the field.

Spread 'em out or G-N-P, or a combination of both I don't care. Whatever works and I'm a happy, happy fanatic.

ObsiWan
05-19-2014, 03:23 PM
While that's true RE what happened in NE the draft choices made doesn't fit that MO in my eyes. I think it will evolve into that style more or less over time. This year it seems the be set up to run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it. I, like everyone else, can't wait to see what really happens on the field.

Spread 'em out or G-N-P, or a combination of both I don't care. Whatever works and I'm a happy, happy fanatic.
The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.
N.E. was in the top ten in rushing attempts, yds/attempt, and was 2nd over all in rushing TDs last season.
Nothing says we can't spread out the defense then pop Foster up the gut when they aren't expecting it. And put the FB and a couple of TEs in and, as you said, "run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it".

I'm happy with whatever puts 7's on the board.
...in bunches.

drs23
05-19-2014, 03:37 PM
The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.
N.E. was in the top ten in rushing attempts, yds/attempt, and was 2nd over all in rushing TDs last season.
Nothing says we can't spread out the defense then pop Foster up the gut when they aren't expecting it. And put the FB and a couple of TEs in and, as you said, "run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it".

I'm happy with whatever puts 7's on the board.
...in bunches.

I'm down with ya there wise one and second on the 7's. I'm sick-N-tired of 3's. Or attempts thereof. :kitten:

humblegeo
05-19-2014, 04:12 PM
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.

Hervoyel
05-19-2014, 04:38 PM
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.

Possibly true. If and when OB says they need to be gone then I for one will get behind the sentiment. Until then I'm going to watch the process intently and enjoy the competition.

humblegeo
05-19-2014, 05:08 PM
I think it's already pretty much decided barring injury during preseason. Fitzpatrick is the starter Savage is the backup.

kiwitexansfan
05-19-2014, 05:09 PM
I think it's already pretty much decided barring injury during preseason. Fitzpatrick is the starter Savage is the backup.

This is the most realistic position.

Still want Savage to force OB's hand.

mattieuk
05-19-2014, 05:18 PM
This is the most realistic position.

Still want Savage to force OB's hand.

I dont think there is much that Savage can do to force his hand really. The reading pressure/mental clock issues that we've heard about can only really be tested in the heat of an NFL game in my opinion. I could see the coaching staff giving Keenum/Yates starts before exposing Savage before they thik he is equipped to deal with the pressure that an NFL defense can bring.

Double Barrel
05-19-2014, 05:20 PM
I do not make predictions, but I would not be surprised if the Texans are looking for a QB in off-season 2015.

DocBar
05-19-2014, 06:18 PM
I do not make predictions, but I would not be surprised if the Texans are looking for a QB in off-season 2015.I bet BO'B will muddle through with Fitz/Savage til his Penn St. QB is ready to enter the draft! :ahhaha:

drs23
05-19-2014, 06:39 PM
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.

Uhuu, because TJ wasn't healthy (according to reports) and the main reason being (according to reports) the Man That Signs The Checks wanted Keenum to start?

Fire McNair? Good luck with that (not so) humblegeo. Emphasize the "humble" part, if you will.

htownfan32
05-19-2014, 06:42 PM
Where is the "the best candidate" option?

thunderkyss
05-19-2014, 08:06 PM
The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.

I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.

The face of the Houston Texans

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1110/cfb-heisman-watch-week-7/images/case-keenum.jpg

http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/11232627-large.jpg

Hervoyel
05-19-2014, 08:28 PM
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.....

I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/gooding_zpse50866d7.jpg

Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!

DocBar
05-19-2014, 09:03 PM
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.

The face of the Houston Texans

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1110/cfb-heisman-watch-week-7/images/case-keenum.jpg

http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/11232627-large.jpgDid you get you eCig drops from Colorado or Washington? :kitten:

DocBar
05-19-2014, 09:06 PM
I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/gooding_zpse50866d7.jpg

Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!After a winning season under this scenario, I'll throw in dinner at a place of TK's choice and a nite out on the town at place(s) of TK and your choosing. :barman:

drs23
05-19-2014, 09:10 PM
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.

I'm thinking the Texans can think of 4.5 million reasons. Guaranteed.

Thorn
05-19-2014, 09:39 PM
Did you get you eCig drops from Colorado or Washington? :kitten:

What a wonderful idea! Colorado is definitely on my travel list when I retire.

DocBar
05-19-2014, 09:44 PM
What a wonderful idea! Colorado is definitely on my travel list when I retire.LMAO!!! I love crazy old people. Y'all make growing old worthwhile!!!

drs23
05-19-2014, 09:48 PM
What a wonderful idea! Colorado is definitely on my travel list when I retire.

What's stoppin' ya man? It's only a day trip. :howdy:

The Pencil Neck
05-20-2014, 12:25 AM
What's stoppin' ya man? It's only a day trip. :howdy:

He's got that damned device the cops strapped to his ankle.

:smiliepalm:

DBCooper
05-20-2014, 06:56 AM
He's got that damned device the cops strapped to his ankle.

:smiliepalm:

Because he got caught smoking pot.......

Hervoyel
05-20-2014, 10:17 AM
What a wonderful idea! Colorado is definitely on my travel list when I retire.

LMAO!!! I love crazy old people. Y'all make growing old worthwhile!!!

When I see crazy old people doing hilarious cool crazy old stuff I only think of one thing.

"Challenge Accepted!"

ObsiWan
05-20-2014, 10:45 AM
Did you get you eCig drops from Colorado or Washington? :kitten:

What a wonderful idea! Colorado is definitely on my travel list when I retire.
eCigs!?!

e- CIGS!?!?!
what's the world coming to??

In MY DAY we smoke the s#!t we grew under florescent lights in our closets.
And we LIKED It!!

https://soveryuncool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/grumpy-old-man.jpg

ObsiWan
05-20-2014, 10:48 AM
I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/gooding_zpse50866d7.jpg

Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!

I got him for ya.

And, for the record, that would make a very interesting story should it play out that way. National media would eat up the hometown boy makes good story. And the icing on the cake would be watching all the "you shouldda drafted a QB in the first or second round" talking heads that would have to eat crow....

drs23
05-20-2014, 11:39 AM
I got him for ya.

And, for the record, that would make a very interesting story should it play out that way. National media would eat up the hometown boy makes good story. And the icing on the cake would be watching all the "you shouldda drafted a QB in the first or second round" talking heads that would have to eat crow....

THAT is what would make it all worth it. WRONG AGAIN!

humblegeo
05-20-2014, 01:03 PM
Fitzpatrick has thrown 2600 passes in the NFL. He is the starter, Savage is #2 and who cares what they do with the other two. We're coming off a 2-14 season. Time for some MAJOR changes! And that's what needs to happen and that's what's going to happen, like it or not. We're not going back to Case Keenum and business as usual like nothing happened especially after he was the QB during the pathetic 8 game disaster that ended the 2013 season. Are you kidding me?

76Texan
05-20-2014, 01:39 PM
Fitzpatrick has thrown 2600 passes in the NFL. He is the starter, Savage is #2 and who cares what they do with the other two. We're coming off a 2-14 season. Time for some MAJOR changes! And that's what needs to happen and that's what's going to happen, like it or not. We're not going back to Case Keenum and business as usual like nothing happened especially after he was the QB during the pathetic 8 game disaster that ended the 2013 season. Are you kidding me?

You guys need to think of a more authentic way to rile up the natives

ObsiWan
05-20-2014, 01:41 PM
Fitzpatrick has thrown 2600 passes in the NFL. He is the starter, Savage is #2 and who cares what they do with the other two. We're coming off a 2-14 season. Time for some MAJOR changes! And that's what needs to happen and that's what's going to happen, like it or not. We're not going back to Case Keenum and business as usual like nothing happened especially after he was the QB during the pathetic 8 game disaster that ended the 2013 season. Are you kidding me?
And you're making this decision without even bothering to assess whether or not they ("they" being Yates and/or Keenum who played his college ball in the U-H spread) can operate better in the O'Brien's spread than they were in Kubiak's limited-audible, play action based offense...?

You're not even going to take a look to see what you might have...?? Just cut 'em now and get it over with..??

Lord Bills
05-20-2014, 02:29 PM
if fitzpatrick is starting that means its a lost season.

anybody clamoring for fitzpatrick is not a football fan. that is a lateral move that signals failure to your fanbase.

play keenum and find out if he has it or play savage and find out if we need to prioritize drafting a qb next year at a higher pick.

a vote for fitzpatrick is a vote for failure and mediocrity.

you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you want fitzpatrick to start.

humblegeo
05-20-2014, 03:09 PM
Already seen what Keenum can do. Already seen what Yates can do. Neither one could make that jump from backup to starter, couldn't quite get it done for whatever reasons so they brought in two new quarterbacks. In with the new, out with the old. No player can change a teams fortunes greater than a quarterback and Keenum and Yates couldn't get the job done. Time to move on. Get over it.

DBCooper
05-20-2014, 03:13 PM
if fitzpatrick is starting that means its a lost season.

anybody clamoring for fitzpatrick is not a football fan. that is a lateral move that signals failure to your fanbase.

play keenum and find out if he has it or play savage and find out if we need to prioritize drafting a qb next year at a higher pick.

a vote for fitzpatrick is a vote for failure and mediocrity.

you ought to be ashamed of yourself if you want fitzpatrick to start.

http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/242491/resized_grandma-finds-the-internet-meme-generator-all-i-read-was-blah-blah-blah-blah-poo-poo-pee-pee-5ccfa7.jpg

thunderkyss
05-20-2014, 07:24 PM
I'm thinking the Texans can think of 4.5 million reasons. Guaranteed.

That money is already gone. Making a bad decision today that will affect tomorrow, to support a bad decision made yesterday is why we are where we are.

drs23
05-20-2014, 08:02 PM
That money is already gone. Making a bad decision today that will affect tomorrow, to support a bad decision made yesterday is why we are where we are.

Allrightythen! Pete Carroll won't have squat on us.

Fitz outta town on a rail! Do it Rick! :kitten:

Hervoyel
05-21-2014, 12:16 PM
That money is already gone. Making a bad decision today that will affect tomorrow, to support a bad decision made yesterday is why we are where we are.

I really don't think Fitz has the slightest chance of not making the team this year. Sure the money is already gone but more than that I think the Texans either need him to start or need him to be there if whoever does start gets broken.

If you're starting Case Keenum you're already taking a leap of faith.

If Keenum gets crushed and knocked out for any length of time and all you got left in the cupboard is T.J. Yates then you didn't just take a leap of faith. You were criminally negligent. You must have someone on the team who has some real experience and who (if he should be beaten out of the starters job by Keenum) can pick up a new system with the number of practice reps that a backup gets.

That man is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Double Barrel
05-21-2014, 12:23 PM
I think O'Brien is building the foundation for our future starting QB to stand on.

Maybe that QB is on the roster, but honestly, unless Savage shows and does something that nobody saw in his college career, I think O'Brien doesn't want to tie his horse to a wagon that he's stuck with for his entire Texans HC career. That won't happen with a 4th round pick or the other three scrubs on the roster like it would if he had picked up a QB in the first round.

Maybe one of these current jokers on the roster will rise to the occasion and surprise us all, but I think our future QB is playing for another team right now, either on the bench in the NFL or still in college.

I look forward to this season to see the changes that O'Brien brings and the potential monster defense, but until proven otherwise, I do not have high expectations for the QB position right now.

Hervoyel
05-21-2014, 12:27 PM
I hear you. I can't wait for preseason to get here just so we can see what this offense is going to look like and see how these guys we're talking about look in it. At this point I'm not even convinced that another QB move or pickup isn't in the cards. If we could hurry up and get to camp and get into the preseason we might learn something.

Waiting is hell

Playoffs
05-21-2014, 12:33 PM
http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/242491/resized_grandma-finds-the-internet-meme-generator-all-i-read-was-blah-blah-blah-blah-poo-poo-pee-pee-5ccfa7.jpg

:bravo:

TexansFight
05-21-2014, 12:43 PM
Y'all we might be getting VY here:

Texans Bias @TexansBias

Word around the league is Andre wants a black quarterback or he won't play for the Texans. Texans will be taking a good look at Vince Young



Texans Bias @TexansBias

Byron Leftwich will be privately working out for the Texans by the end of the week. #Texans #NFL

santo
05-21-2014, 12:51 PM
Y'all we might be getting VY here:

Texans Bias @TexansBias

Word around the league is Andre wants a black quarterback or he won't play for the Texans. Texans will be taking a good look at Vince Young



Texans Bias @TexansBias

Byron Leftwich will be privately working out for the Texans by the end of the week. #Texans #NFL


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/incredulous.gif

Mr teX
05-21-2014, 12:55 PM
its a retooling year so I voted Fitz mostly b/c we know what he is....more importantly he knows what he is...a stop gap guy.

the last thing i want is to enter the season with Keenum and he doesn't prove he should be a starter or the back up & then we're back to where we are now with the excuse making. A backup with real starting potential could've done alot with 8 games to show he's the guy. We saw Favre do it in GB with not many more starts..Warner in STL straight off the street....Rodgers in GB after basically playing no meaningful ball for 3 years...

8 games is a lifetime. Stop making excuses....looking at you Lord Bills.

DocBar
05-21-2014, 01:00 PM
I think O'Brien is building the foundation for our future starting QB to stand on.

Maybe that QB is on the roster, but honestly, unless Savage shows and does something that nobody saw in his college career, I think O'Brien doesn't want to tie his horse to a wagon that he's stuck with for his entire Texans HC career. That won't happen with a 4th round pick or the other three scrubs on the roster like it would if he had picked up a QB in the first round.

Maybe one of these current jokers on the roster will rise to the occasion and surprise us all, but I think our future QB is playing for another team right now, either on the bench in the NFL or still in college.

I look forward to this season to see the changes that O'Brien brings and the potential monster defense, but until proven otherwise, I do not have high expectations for the QB position right now.
I'm really curious to see how Savage does. I wouldn't be surprised if he's good or bad. It's much easier to sit back and watch with a 4th round pick than a 1.1 pick.

I'm also very curious to know how BO'B and Smith had the other QB's rated. I really like the Texans draft this year, but if one of the other QB's turns into a great QB...

I hear you. I can't wait for preseason to get here just so we can see what this offense is going to look like and see how these guys we're talking about look in it. At this point I'm not even convinced that another QB move or pickup isn't in the cards. If we could hurry up and get to camp and get into the preseason we might learn something.

Waiting is hell I think Mallett is still on the table but BB wants to see how Garoppolo is going to pick up the offense before he decides if NE could stand losing Mallett this year.

Waiting is hell.

Lord Bills
05-21-2014, 01:05 PM
Y'all we might be getting VY here:

Texans Bias @TexansBias

Word around the league is Andre wants a black quarterback or he won't play for the Texans. Texans will be taking a good look at Vince Young



Texans Bias @TexansBias

Byron Leftwich will be privately working out for the Texans by the end of the week. #Texans #NFL

we've only had one black quarterback in our history. im not surprised.

humblegeo
05-21-2014, 01:29 PM
I dont believe for a minute that Johnson said he would continue to play for the Texans but only if the Quarterback was black. Johnson is a class act and would never say something like that and if he did the Texans would tell him dont let the door hit you on the way out. Johnson is at the very tail end of his career with maybe only one more good year left in him. Give me a break!

WolverineFan
05-21-2014, 02:07 PM
And you're making this decision without even bothering to assess whether or not they ("they" being Yates and/or Keenum who played his college ball in the U-H spread) can operate better in the O'Brien's spread than they were in Kubiak's limited-audible, play action based offense...?


I think people are overstating the O'Brien-spread angle. His offense at New England relied heavily upon TE's and was pretty different from what Josh McDaniels has run there. His offense at Penn State was a mutli-TE pro style offense.

With the way that we drafted, I think it's clear that we will be more of a multi-TE and run based offense than a spread team.

76Texan
05-21-2014, 02:14 PM
I think people are overstating the O'Brien-spread angle. His offense at New England relied heavily upon TE's and was pretty different from what Josh McDaniels has run there. His offense at Penn State was a mutli-TE pro style offense.

With the way that we drafted, I think it's clear that we will be more of a multi-TE and run based offense than a spread team.

I had watched a few Penn. St. Games.
He runs all kinds of gamut.
But there's no telling what variations OB will install here.
I expect the offense to start with less than a full package, and adding more as the season goes along.
Similar to what Wade did when he first got here.

WolverineFan
05-21-2014, 02:22 PM
I had watched a few Penn. St. Games.
He runs all kinds of gamut.
But there's no telling what variations OB will install here.
I expect the offense to start with less than a full package, and adding more as the season goes along.
Similar to what Wade did when he first got here.

He definitely won't stick to one style as Kubiak did during his tenure here. He's a bright offensive mind and not stubborn to "his system" like Kubiak was. But people on here keep talking about the O'Brien spread like we are going to run the Pats-Brady offense. I'm skeptical.

Mr teX
05-21-2014, 03:05 PM
I think people are overstating the O'Brien-spread angle. His offense at New England relied heavily upon TE's and was pretty different from what Josh McDaniels has run there. His offense at Penn State was a mutli-TE pro style offense.

With the way that we drafted, I think it's clear that we will be more of a multi-TE and run based offense than a spread team.

This might also have something to do with why AJ is pissed. He knows the offensive production is going to start shifting to the TE's and rbs...

DocBar
05-21-2014, 03:06 PM
we've only had one black quarterback in our history. im not surprised.

I dont believe for a minute that Johnson said he would continue to play for the Texans but only if the Quarterback was black. Johnson is a class act and would never say something like that and if he did the Texans would tell him dont let the door hit you on the way out. Johnson is at the very tail end of his career with maybe only one more good year left in him. Give me a break! Idiot! :pissed:Are you sure there isn't a :sarcasm: smiley missing?