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pappy
05-10-2014, 02:51 PM
first pick in second

76Texan
05-10-2014, 02:52 PM
They're hoping he can be Kyle Love Jr.

pirbroke
05-10-2014, 02:53 PM
Is he taking smith de spot?

kiwitexansfan
05-10-2014, 02:56 PM
He'll rotate with Crick I imagine.

I like the pick.

Hard to move, got some natural ability. Fits the scheme. Been well coached.

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 02:56 PM
I watched the LSU film on him and he started off shaky, but finished strong...

When he is determined to be strong at the point of attack, he can be.

He's going to need to be consistent and always have it in his mind to own his space.

I'm good with the pick. Solidly built player. Should at the very least be solid depth this year with a chance of being a good starter sooner or later.

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 02:56 PM
This is the kind of DE we need, I think.

eriadoc
05-10-2014, 02:58 PM
3-4 DE, right? Not exactly a DT?

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 02:58 PM
13. JEOFFREY PAGAN | Alabama 6034|310 lbs|3JR 1/27/1992 (age 22)

MEASUREABLES Arm: 33 | Hand: 09 5/8 | Wingspan: 80 5/8

STRENGTHS: Packs the muscle on his frame very well, carrying his 300+ pounds easily with a large wingspan…powerful tackler, wrapping and driving through his man, bringing his legs with him…good grip strength to tear at the POA with heavy, active hands…anchors well, keeping his butt low and digging his cleats in to hold his ground…displays closing burst once he sees red and shows examples of the flexibility and body control needed for the position…does a nice job keeping his eyes elevated and tracks the ball well…very strong work ethic and pushed himself in the weight room, adding 50+ pounds since his senior year in high school…versatile and saw snaps at the 0-, 3- and 5-technique spots – played several roles in Alabama’s multiple front.

WEAKNESSES: Limited range and doesn’t show the needed fluidity to consistently make plays away from the LOS…inconsistent snap anticipation and too often was the last to move off the ball…extremely raw as a technician and lacks an ideal understanding of his surroundings…unrefined pass rush arsenal and needs to develop his mechanics as a rusher…late to disengage and needs to refine his hand fundamentals…aggressive intensity seems to come and go, showing some passive qualities and lacking a consistent mean streak at the POA…unimpressive resume and production with only 11 starts under his belt – lackluster career stats: 61 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks…some durability concerns after a serious knee injury in 2010 as a senior in high school – didn’t work out at the NFL Combine due to a left labrum tear and left quad contusion.

SUMMARY: A four-star DE recruit, Pagan had a whirlwind recruitment, originally committing to Florida before switching to Clemson and eventually choosing Alabama. He saw back-up duty as a true freshman and sophomore before finally breaking into the starting line-up as a junior in 2013, finishing with 34 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss and 2.0 sacks. Pagan surprised many when he decided to skip his senior year and could have used another year in college, but the injury risk weighed heavily in his decision. He is a very hot/cold prospect and his highlights make him look like a future 1st round pick, but his impact snap-to-snap leaves a lot to be desired. Pagan shows natural ball awareness, but too often he’s busy hung up on blocks and can’t do anything about it. He has some moldable traits, but is extremely green and needs time and a patient coaching staff to cultivate his raw skills – possesses some untapped potential and should be considered an ascending 5-technique

rmartin65
05-10-2014, 03:01 PM
We are just crushing this draft. I love it.

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 03:01 PM
3-4 DE, right? Not exactly a DT?

Right.

JCTexan
05-10-2014, 03:02 PM
I like the pick. Depth player that is a mammoth of a DE that should fit perfectly in the 3-4. I had us picking him in the 7th in my mock draft..

SW H-TOWN
05-10-2014, 03:11 PM
I would have picked Deandre Coleman.

CloakNNNdagger
05-10-2014, 03:18 PM
Among the more interesting comments about Pagan was by NFLdraftscout.com: “Built like a Coke machine — wide and heavy — and is just as difficult to move.”

Bulls on Parade
05-10-2014, 03:57 PM
3-4 DE, right? Not exactly a DT?
Absolutely. Our starters on defense should eventually be: Watt at left end, Nix at nose tackle, Pagan at right end. Clowney, Reed, Cushing and Mercilus at the four linebacker spots. That's when we play our base 3-4. That being said, a lot has to do with how eager and ready Crennel is to start three rookies in the front seven.

Jeoffrey Pagan absolutely single-handily destroyed the likes of Johnny Manziel and Zach Metternberger (new Titans QB) in some SEC showdown games. He has some burst off the snap and the ability to rush the passer for his big size.

Major upgrade over Jared Crick, IMO

Bulls on Parade
05-10-2014, 04:00 PM
I'm already licking my chops thinking about the Texans defense playing the likes of Zach Mettenberger and Blake Bortles four times a year. Should be a good time to pad the sack numbers. And Andrew Luck: We're coming for him too!!!! I don't know about anybody else but you have to be excited about the Houston Texans defense. For the long term. They did a pretty awesome job in this draft.

thunderkyss
05-10-2014, 06:27 PM
Can we get the mods to format the title of this thread to resemble the titles Infantrycak did for the draft picks? Y'know, for uniformity.

infantrycak
05-10-2014, 06:41 PM
Belated poll.

Vance87
05-10-2014, 06:42 PM
Well I know Marshall won't like him.

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 07:09 PM
**** the king.

Seegara
05-10-2014, 07:58 PM
Another defensive end? He gets a C from me.

JCTexan
05-10-2014, 08:12 PM
Another defensive end? He gets a C from me.

Another? Clowney is going to play OLB. Pagan is also a mammoth DE that fits Crennel's 3-4 defense.

DBCooper
05-10-2014, 09:08 PM
Well I know Marshall won't like him.

:spit:

WolverineFan
05-10-2014, 09:19 PM
I like the pick. He's a true 3-4 DE and a great scheme fit. Not a lot of production in college because he was busy occupying blockers in Bama's front. He has great athletic upside though.

6-3, 310 lbs and he runs a sub-5.0 forty. He's also just 20 years old. He's the first Bama DL since Dareus that I thought had real potential at the next level. I do think he's a bit of a project though and will need some seasoning. I see Crick as our other starting DE for the next 2 years with Pagan working in rotation.

thunderkyss
05-10-2014, 09:23 PM
I like the pick. He's a true 3-4 DE and a great scheme fit. Not a lot of production in college because he was busy occupying blockers in Bama's front. He has great athletic upside though.

6-3, 310 lbs and he runs a sub-5.0 forty. He's also just 20 years old. He's the first Bama DL since Dareus that I thought had real potential at the next level. I do think he's a bit of a project though and will need some seasoning. I see Crick as our other starting DE for the next 2 years with Pagan working in rotation.

So how are we going to be able to "grade" these guys? The stat sheet won't show them "producing" much. Is it enough that they stay on their feet?

TheRealJoker
05-10-2014, 09:25 PM
So how are we going to be able to "grade" these guys? The stat sheet won't show them "producing" much. Is it enough that they stay on their feet?

Richard Seymour is the measuring stick all Romeo Crennel DL are measured by.

WolverineFan
05-10-2014, 09:30 PM
So how are we going to be able to "grade" these guys? The stat sheet won't show them "producing" much. Is it enough that they stay on their feet?

It really depends on how Crennel is going to utilize the D-Line. If it's true that we will be very multiple and play a ton of nickel sub-packages then these guys will have every opportunity to make plays.

With that said, a guy like Watt doesn't need to ever be occupying blockers. If Crennel has him doing that then there is a serious problem in his plan. With athletes like Watt, Nix, and Pagan up front we need to be doing more than just staying on our feet and keeping guys clean.

76Texan
05-10-2014, 11:34 PM
So how are we going to be able to "grade" these guys? The stat sheet won't show them "producing" much. Is it enough that they stay on their feet?

If they don't allow room for QBS to step up in the pocket; they do the job for me.
If they don't allow push to give the opponents a first down on third and short; they do the job for me.

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 11:54 PM
Another defensive end? He gets a C from me.

Another? Right now, we've got

Crick - Nix - Watt

Pagan is probably going to take over that spot from Crick.

damn. We're going to be a YOUNG team.

Wolf6151
05-11-2014, 01:12 AM
To me Pagan is a rotational DE that won't offer much in the passing game but is stout and tough and wont' be moved off the LOS easily. I gave him a C+ in the grade thread. He's a body that I hope Kolar and RAC can do something with.

htownfan32
05-11-2014, 02:10 AM
I like the player and the pick, but I'll always remember him as the guy I saw Manziel shrug off in the Alabama game before tossing it up for Ed Pope.

Good value at this position and I think he suits Crennel's system perfectly. Should see time rotating w/ Crick I imagine?

WolverineFan
05-11-2014, 10:43 AM
Another? Right now, we've got

Crick - Nix - Watt

Pagan is probably going to take over that spot from Crick.

damn. We're going to be a YOUNG team.

I do think Crick will start this year. JMO, but I think Rick and Bob decided to pass on an early DE because of what we already had invested in Crick. They will give him a shot this year. Pagan is a very young guy with a ton of potential who can come in and compete, but is probably not ready to start for another year or two. I do love his upside though. I think our front looks like this...

Base
DE - Watt / Jamison
NT - Nix / Powe
DE - Crick / Pagan

Nickel
DE - Mercilus
DT - Watt
DT - Crick
DE - Clowney

CloakNNNdagger
05-11-2014, 05:13 PM
I do think Crick will start this year. JMO, but I think Rick and Bob decided to pass on an early DE because of what we already had invested in Crick. They will give him a shot this year. Pagan is a very young guy with a ton of potential who can come in and compete, but is probably not ready to start for another year or two. I do love his upside though. I think our front looks like this...

Base
DE - Watt / Jamison
NT - Nix / Powe
DE - Crick / Pagan

Nickel
DE - Mercilus
DT - Watt
DT - Crick
DE - Clowney

If they're smart, they won't put Pagan at LDE. He suffered his shoulder dislocation/labrum tear on the left side.........while he was playing at LDE. That left shoulder will be continually stressed/challenged as he attempts to prevent players coming around the left on the outside. I believe the Texans will plant him on the right......at least for this year.

steelbtexan
05-11-2014, 10:09 PM
If they're smart, they won't put Pagan at LDE. He suffered his shoulder dislocation/labrum tear on the left side.........while he was playing at LDE. That left shoulder will be continually stressed/challenged as he attempts to prevent players coming around the left on the outside. I believe the Texans will plant him on the right......at least for this year.

I just saw tape of Greg Robinson planting Pagan. So he was playing RDE then.

badboy
05-11-2014, 10:33 PM
My concern is we do not appear to have a LB to cover. We will be good at stopping run especially in middle but our DBs better step it up.

Playoffs
05-14-2014, 12:39 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
LSU coach Les Miles on DE Jeff Pagan (from Alabama) Texans 6-th round pick: "He's a guy that will work hard, plays with great technique."

WolverineFan
05-14-2014, 03:40 PM
Btw for those that don't know, Pagan burned a 4.7 forty at 270 lbs when he was in high school. Unfortunately, he shredded his knee his senior year and then dealt with other injuries while at Bama.

He's still only 20 years old (turns 21 in June) and it will be interesting to see how he progresses if he can stay healthy. Sadly, I doubt he ever regains the athletic ability that he possessed pre-knee injury.

Playoffs
05-14-2014, 05:11 PM
Btw for those that don't know, Pagan burned a 4.7 forty at 270 lbs when he was in high school. Unfortunately, he shredded his knee his senior year and then dealt with other injuries while at Bama.

He's still only 20 years old (turns 21 in June) and it will be interesting to see how he progresses if he can stay healthy. Sadly, I doubt he ever regains the athletic ability that he possessed pre-knee injury.

Too often the fate of many 'Bama players.

HOU-TEX
09-05-2014, 04:09 PM
Damn

Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith · 6m
Report: Mother of #Texans rookie Jeoffrey Pagan charged with voluntary manslaughter in North Carolina http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/09/report-mother-of-texans-rookie-pagan-charged-with-voluntary-manslaughter/#26333101=0 … #NFL #Redskins

Sheryl Pagan Todd dialed 911 after the fatal shooting last Friday afternoon at her mother’s home on Bartlett Street, according to a search warrant on file at the Buncombe County Courthouse.

Todd, 56, told a dispatcher “that her mother’s boyfriend attacked her and that she accidentally shot him,” according to the warrant.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/09/report-mother-of-texans-rookie-pagan-charged-with-voluntary-manslaughter/#26333101=0

Playoffs
09-05-2014, 04:31 PM
What a bummer for Jeoffrey. Has to be hard knowing your Mom's under indictment and you trying to be at your peak for the NFL...
A day after the shooting, the Houston Texans announced Jeoffrey Pagan, 21, had made the team after the final round of roster cuts before the start of the NFL regular season.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2014, 04:32 PM
Man, that's rough.

Simultaneously one of the best and worst weeks of your life.

That sucks.