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LikeMike
05-10-2014, 06:11 PM
Its a wrap. What grade would you give our draft? Heres how it went:

First Round

1.1 Jadeveon Clowney DE/OLB

Second Round

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G

Third Round

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE

3.19 Louis Nix NT

Fourth Round

4.35 Tom Savage QB

Sixth Round

6.1 Jeoffrey Pagan DE

6.5 Alfred Blue HB

6.35 Jay Prosch FB

Seventh Round

7.1 Andre Hal CB

7.41 Lonnie Ballentine FS

rmartin65
05-10-2014, 06:12 PM
Well, the 2014 draft is over. The Texans have added ten new players to the team. How do you think they did? **I know grades following the draft are meaningless. This thread is purely for amusement and discussion of the new additions. If you dont want to participate, then please leave the thread for those of us that do. Thanks for not being a ***********

Round 1, Pick 1: South Carolina OLB Jadeveon Clowney Grade: B+
I dont think anybody is really surprised with this pick. In short, Clowney has all the physical ability he needs to become a dominate pass rusher in the NFL, but there are concerns over his motivation, injury history (bone spurs), and production (just 3 sacks this past year). I strongly believe that the Texans tried to trade out of this pick, but received no satisfactory offers. In sum, I think this is a B+ pick. While I would have taken Robinson, the Texans must be commended for not getting cute and trying to be the smartest in the room. They took the near consensus top prospect, whose upside is undenyable. Whether he reaches it or not is another question. Day 1 starter.

Round 2, Pick 33: UCLA OG Xavier Sua-Filo Grade: A
I think we all knew the Texans needed to upgrade the OL, and this pick does just that. XSF (I am not going to write his name, ever) is a strong, athletic, and nasty interior line prospect, who reportedly has a very strong work ethic. Truthfully, I am surprised that he was not taken earlier. Day 1 starter.

Round 3, Pick 65: Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz Grade: A
I cant tell you guys how much I like this pick; Fiedorowicz has been on my radar for years. Fiedo possesses a large frame, and is much more athletic than people give him credit for. He is a dominant in-line blocker, and is a great red zone target and short-to-intermediate safety blanket for whatever QB becomes the starter. Day 1 starter.

Round 3, Pick 83: Notre Dame NT Louis Nix III Grade: A
The Front Office nailed another pick, trading up to get, in my opinion, the top NT prospect in the draft. Louis Nix III is the space-eater most of us have been coveting for years, and, unlike most other big guys, exhibits quick feet and good effort on most plays. There are concerns over his weight and injury history, but I am going to put some trust in the FO. Day 1 starter.

Round 4, Pick 135: Pitt QB Tom Savage Grade: B+
First, I want to say that, while I liked Bridgewater, I am glad the Texans did not reach for a QB despite an organizational need for one. Savage has prototypical size, a big arm, and has demonstrated that he can learn a variety of offenses. Now, I am concerned that he did not play for over 1,000 days, largely as a result of his double transfer. It really worries me that he transferred from Rutgers instead of gritting his teeth and battling, but you have to remember, he was young. People make mistakes, people mature. Again, I am putting some trust in the FO. Savage should not start this year, but weirder things have happened.

Round 6, Pick 177: Alabama DE Jeoffrey Pagan Grade: A
I dont know a ton about this guy, but what I do know, I like. A big guy with excellent strength and surprising agility, Pagan seems to be a perfect fit as a 3-4 end. He should not start this year, but I do expect him to see significant playing time.

Round 6, Pick 181: LSU RB Alfred Blue Grade: C
I am a little surprised here, and confess that I dont know much about Blue. A big back with average speed, Blue was mainly utilized as a member of a RB rotation at LSU. Runs hard, does not have great lateral agility, and apparently has good hands out of the backfield (per pro day reports). Honestly, I would have gone with another position, or even a different RB. That said, it is becoming clear the type of offense the new HC wants, and Blue seems to be a fit. I have high hopes, but pretty low expectations.

Round 6, Pick 211: Auburn FB Jay Prosch Grade: B
Well, if we are going to run a power offense, Prosch is a good player to have. Not a huge threat in the passing game, Prosch is a run-blocking monster. Squares up well, and really hits the defenders in the mouth. Should make the roster due to his skill set (blocking ace) and special teams ability.

Round 7, Pick 216: Vanderbilt CB Dre Hal Grade: C
To be honest, this is the first time I have heard about him. We need a CB and he returns kicks, so he fits an organizational need, but after reading some scouting reports, I have to wonder if he even makes the roster. However, the guy at BRB likes him a bunch, so hopefully he has it right. Since I have no eval of my own, I have to go with a C here. Subject to change once I get around to finding some film.

Round 7, Pick 256: Memphis S Lonnie Ballentine Grade: C
Again, I don't know anything about this guy. A quick look at some draft sides show that he is more athlete than football player at this point. A good project guy for the future.

Overall Grade: A
Easy. This draft was awesome.

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 06:12 PM
I give that a A.

IlliniJen
05-10-2014, 06:12 PM
First to give it an A.

Good jerb, Obie & Co.

76Texan
05-10-2014, 06:12 PM
An I

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 06:13 PM
Gotta give it an "A" on the weight of the early picks, even though I felt we left some talent "on the table" with some later picks.

foo82
05-10-2014, 06:13 PM
I'd give it 3.1416

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SAMURAITEXAN
05-10-2014, 06:13 PM
A for Awesome draft!

eriadoc
05-10-2014, 06:14 PM
For the first time in a long time, I felt like the staff had a plan and they pursued it. There's no doubt after this draft what the identity of the team will be. I'm not sure I ever felt that way about the team before. On top of that, they didn't cave to the pressure to take a QB that they didn't feel was worth the pick.

A+

Thorn
05-10-2014, 06:14 PM
I'll give it an A easily. On paper, this looks like a terrific draft.

rmartin65
05-10-2014, 06:15 PM
We crushed it. I love how this draft looks on paper.

markn
05-10-2014, 06:16 PM
Love this draft.

LonerATO
05-10-2014, 06:16 PM
I'd give this a B.

IlliniJen
05-10-2014, 06:16 PM
Basically my reaction to this draft:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/b51747b7cd6656c28999c9b52116ff54/tumblr_mrmzhpuclt1s5u7z7o1_500.gif

texanhead08
05-10-2014, 06:17 PM
I love this draft we got tougher and more physical and with how soft we were last year this is a welcome change in philosophy.

VTexan
05-10-2014, 06:17 PM
http://fat.gfycat.com/PositiveZealousBubblefish.gif

Wolf
05-10-2014, 06:19 PM
I liked it .. but I can't grade it being we need need to see results on the field ..plus what good does it do if everyone in the AFC south gets the good grades.. we need to make up ground on the foes :)

Marshall
05-10-2014, 06:20 PM
Its a wrap. What grade would you give our draft? Heres how it went:

First Round

1.1 Jadeveon Clowney DE/OLB A+

Second Round

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G A

Third Round

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE B-

3.19 Louis Nix NT A+

Fourth Round

4.35 Tom Savage QB B-

Sixth Round

6.1 Jeoffrey Pagan DE B-

6.5 Alfred Blue HB C

6.35 Jay Prosch FB A

Seventh Round

7.1 Andre Hal CB B-

7.41 Lonnie Ballentine FS D+

Grades are next to the position.

Overall B+

BigBull
05-10-2014, 06:20 PM
On paper no doubt an A. The real grade will come in 2-4 years when we see how they actually play on the NFL level.

LikeMike
05-10-2014, 06:21 PM
I think we`ve got ourselves 5 early season starters out of this draft:

Clowney
XSF
Fiedorowicz
Nix
Prosch

Add to that 3 rotational players in

Pagan
Blue
Hal

Anf two projects in:

Savage
Ballentine

So, 5 starters, 3 rotational player, 2 guys with a buttload of talent that could help us in the future. That is a great draft in my book. Of course it never plays out this way, but I still think we`ve got a whole lot better the past 3 days.

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 06:21 PM
To me, the "grade" is -- what is your opinion of how well this group of players is going to do. To say you can't give a grade, to me, is just saying that you think you're being asked something you aren't being asked.

No one's going to know how good these guys are going to do but it is entirely possible to have an opinion on how well you THINK they're going to do.

Honoring Earl 34
05-10-2014, 06:22 PM
I liked the fact that they like size and speed .

I give them an A . :tiphat:

Thorn
05-10-2014, 06:28 PM
http://www.adaliaconfidenceandsuccessblog.com/are%20you%20happy.jpg

WolverineFan
05-10-2014, 06:31 PM
Really like how we started out. The later rounds were hit or miss but overall I loved the draft.

1 (#1) Jadeveon Clowney - DE/OLB, South Carolina
- Really can't hate the pick. The guy has all the physical talent in the world, but needs to put it all together. He needs to be coached up and I think he can be and he will obviously start somewhere on the defense, likely at SOLB.
- A

2 (#33) Xavier Su'a-Filo - OG, UCLA
- Loved this pick. This is the pick that made me realize that Kubiak is truly gone and so is our random drafting strategy. He's just about a lock to start at LG and he was my favorite OG in the draft.
- A+

3 (#65) C.J. Fiedorowicz - TE, Iowa
- Great pick. I love his game and think he will be a huge part of BoB's offense going forward.
- A

3 (#83) Louis Nix - NT, Notre Dame
- Finally got our NT. Nix has 1st round talent, but has dealt with injuries. He's a sure-fire starter in the middle if he can stay healthy.
- A

4 (#135) Tom Savage - QB, Pittsburgh
- I'm not a Savage fan at all, but getting him here is much better than getting him in the 2nd-3rd round like many "experts" were predicting. He has potential, but he will 24 this year and is a major project. O'Brien likes him though and I trust his judgement.
- B

6 (#177) Jeoffrey Pagan - DE, Alabama
- Pagan is a perfect scheme fit and is a young player who offers a ton of upside.
- B+

6 (#181) Alfred Blue - RB, LSU
- High upside pick at RB. Not a ton of production and has dealt with injuries, but has the measureables. Would have preferred a few other RB's here though.
- C+

6 (#211) Jay Prosch - FB, Auburn
- I would have preferred Millard, but he does need a redshirt and Prosch is considered the best pure blocking FB in the draft.
- B

7 (#216) Andre Hal - CB, Vanderbilt
- Decent player, but not a lot of upside. He's also strictly a slot CB. Not a horrible pick, but not a great one.
- C

7 (#256) Lonnie Ballentine - S, Memphis
- This is what you look for in the later rounds. Sure, the production wasn't always there, but 6'3 220 lbs and he runs a 4.3? Yea, I'll take that chance.
- A

Overall: A

Nawzer
05-10-2014, 06:32 PM
I give this draft an A simply because we got that fatboy in the middle. NT has been a need for such a long time and to see it finally addressed in a legitimate manner made me really happy. Oh Clowney ain't too shabby either.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 06:33 PM
Every year the majority in here seem to feel like we had one of the best drafts in the league despite the fact that the Texans have historically been a bad team. I'm not surprised to see that majority gave it an A as usual. Most fans always seem to think "their team" got all of these guys that should have been drafted earlier and look for all of the pros and tend to ignore the cons.

I gave it a B. It's hard to see really since we got so many guys on the line. Not mad about that at all though. It's good to build the trenches when you get a new regime. Didn't like the Clowney pick due to his reputation, but maybe it will work out. I like it a little better since we added that DT in the middle. I really like that Guard we got with the 2nd round pick. Have no idea what this TE is about, but I'm hoping that he's a sleeper type of guy. Way to many unknowns that could go North or South and we won't know for at least two seasons. Savage looks to have a really nice arm, but isn't really mobile which is disappointing. He's tough though and will take a big hit to make a throw.

JCTexan
05-10-2014, 06:39 PM
First Round

1.1 Jadeveon Clowney DE/OLB Best player in the draft. A

Second Round

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G One of the top OG's in the draft. Should start at LG right away. A

Third Round

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE A TE that fits the mold of O'Brien offense B

3.19 Louis Nix NT A beast of a NT that this defense has needed for years. A+

Fourth Round

4.35 Tom Savage QB A tough developmental QB B

Sixth Round

6.1 Jeoffrey Pagan DE A rotational DE that is a mammoth B

6.5 Alfred Blue HB Solid downhill runner that catches the ball out of the backfield, he's built like Adrian Peterson & he doesn't fumble the football. B-

I won't rate the final two picks since I know very little about them.

Overall I would give this draft an "A".

Vance87
05-10-2014, 06:40 PM
Ask me again in 3 years.

Honoring Earl 34
05-10-2014, 06:44 PM
Every year the majority in here seem to feel like we had one of the best drafts in the league despite the fact that the Texans have historically been a bad team. I'm not surprised to see that majority gave it an A as usual. Most fans always seem to think "their team" got all of these guys that should have been drafted earlier and look for all of the pros and tend to ignore the cons.

I gave it a B. It's hard to see really since we got so many guys on the line. Not mad about that at all though. It's good to build the trenches when you get a new regime. Didn't like the Clowney pick due to his reputation, but maybe it will work out. I like it a little better since we added that DT in the middle. I really like that Guard we got with the 2nd round pick. Have no idea what this TE is about, but I'm hoping that he's a sleeper type of guy. Way to many unknowns that could go North or South and we won't know for at least two seasons. Savage looks to have a really nice arm, but isn't really mobile which is disappointing. He's tough though and will take a big hit to make a throw.

The only time you have is now and until the start of the season to be giddy . Coaching youth sports is the same thing . Everybody says they killed at the draft . :runaway:

Marshall
05-10-2014, 06:49 PM
Really like how we started out. The later rounds were hit or miss but overall I loved the draft.

1 (#1) Jadeveon Clowney - DE/OLB, South Carolina
- Really can't hate the pick. The guy has all the physical talent in the world, but needs to put it all together. He needs to be coached up and I think he can be and he will obviously start somewhere on the defense, likely at SOLB.
- A

2 (#33) Xavier Su'a-Filo - OG, UCLA
- Loved this pick. This is the pick that made me realize that Kubiak is truly gone and so is our random drafting strategy. He's just about a lock to start at LG and he was my favorite OG in the draft.
- A+

3 (#65) C.J. Fiedorowicz - TE, Iowa
- Great pick. I love his game and think he will be a huge part of BoB's offense going forward.
- A

3 (#83) Louis Nix - NT, Notre Dame
- Finally got our NT. Nix has 1st round talent, but has dealt with injuries. He's a sure-fire starter in the middle if he can stay healthy.
- A

4 (#135) Tom Savage - QB, Pittsburgh
- I'm not a Savage fan at all, but getting him here is much better than getting him in the 2nd-3rd round like many "experts" were predicting. He has potential, but he will 24 this year and is a major project. O'Brien likes him though and I trust his judgement.
- B

6 (#177) Jeoffrey Pagan - DE, Alabama
- Pagan is a perfect scheme fit and is a young player who offers a ton of upside.
- B+

6 (#181) Alfred Blue - RB, LSU
- High upside pick at RB. Not a ton of production and has dealt with injuries, but has the measureables. Would have preferred a few other RB's here though.
- C+

6 (#211) Jay Prosch - FB, Auburn
- I would have preferred Millard, but he does need a redshirt and Prosch is considered the best pure blocking FB in the draft.
- B

7 (#216) Andre Hal - CB, Vanderbilt
- Decent player, but not a lot of upside. He's also strictly a slot CB. Not a horrible pick, but not a great one.
- C

7 (#256) Lonnie Ballentine - S, Memphis
- This is what you look for in the later rounds. Sure, the production wasn't always there, but 6'3 220 lbs and he runs a 4.3? Yea, I'll take that chance.
- A

Overall: A

The last pick harkens back to the days of Tex Schramm and Tom Landry. Tom told Tex, "Just get me athletes and I'll make them Football Players."

I don't know if it's possible to do that in this day of instant success or failure.

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 06:54 PM
The only time you have is now and until the start of the season to be giddy . Coaching youth sports is the same thing . Everybody says they killed at the draft . :runaway:

Even Patriots fans think they had a good draft, and they totally stunk at their draft. Bellicheck taking a QB in round 2 and a project player in round 1? :vincepalm:


Fans always want to look for the positives.

I think in our draft the coaches did what they intended to do for the most part. Nothing goes as planned the entire time, but they probably wanted to bring in their guys for the system they want to implement which will need to start in the trenches. My favorite pick is that NT assuming he ends up being a good space eater in the middle who can cause some havoc as well. With him going in there, it makes me feel better about the Clowney pick.

Honoring Earl 34
05-10-2014, 06:55 PM
Even Patriots fans think they had a good draft, and they totally stunk at their draft. Bellicheck taking a QB in round 2 and a project player in round 1? :vincepalm:


Fans always want to look for the positives.

I think in our draft the coaches did what they intended to do for the most part. Nothing goes as planned the entire time, but they probably wanted to bring in their guys for the system they want to implement which will need to start in the trenches. My favorite pick is that NT assuming he ends up being a good space eater in the middle who can cause some havoc as well. With him going in there, it makes me feel better about the Clowney pick.

I liked the 3rd round because we went from smaller NGs and TEs to bigger guys who are athletic . A 6'6 265 TE can help on blocking and the red zone .

htowntexans1985
05-10-2014, 06:56 PM
The "eye" test says A. Now they got to prove theyre worthy of a spot on the 53.

santo
05-10-2014, 07:00 PM
I gave it a B. Love the defensive picks, but I really wanted either Garappolo or McCarron. But either way, solid job and hopefully we get many starters from this group.

Goatcheese
05-10-2014, 07:01 PM
They got what should be 4 starters and I think Savage has a chance to be a quality backup QB. The rest address some of their depth issues.

A-

BullNation4Life
05-10-2014, 07:08 PM
They got what should be 4 starters and I think Savage has a chance to be a quality backup QB. The rest address some of their depth issues.

A-

Savage will be the starter for the Texans next year....

write it down...

EllisUnit
05-10-2014, 07:21 PM
I really like our NT Nix, the kid seems to have a high motor, and he is pretty good at batting down passes as well. Man our D-Line is going to be nasty with Clowney, Nix, Watt not to mention the safties we picked up in FA. Man we look tough on D

Houston_Fanatic
05-10-2014, 07:37 PM
I give us an A overall. I like the way they had a plan and philosophy and stuck to it.

My favorite pick: we finally got our bubble-butt NT. Thank-you, BOB!

DBCooper
05-10-2014, 09:12 PM
Ask me after we win the Superbowl!

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 09:41 PM
If we can get four players offering various levels of positive contribution to this team, I'll be happy.

76Texan
05-10-2014, 09:43 PM
If we can get four players offering various levels of positive contribution to this team, I'll be happy.

Learn some dance moves.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 09:44 PM
Learn some dance moves.

I don't get it, lol.

MEGA SWATT
05-10-2014, 09:59 PM
A+.......

IDEXAN
05-10-2014, 10:01 PM
Looks like a tremendous Draft right now, but of course we really won't know for atleast 2 or 3 years. Hey when can I get a Clowney jersey/T-shirt ?

Scooter
05-10-2014, 10:12 PM
i absolutely give it an A. assuming health, i see 4 guys who are likely to start game one (5 if you count FB) and play at an NFL level. we set a direction and most definitely achieved it with draft, getting bigger and tougher. along with great value, i think that's really where we won - not with the individuals, but with the group as a whole.

clowney will start, and casserly (i know) is already putting him in next year's top 100 show.

XSF will start and strengthens the entire line.

feido will start and adds a rare combination of blocking and receiving tightend that we dont have. is already being compared to 2 probowlers.

nix will rotate with powe and will start as early as game 1.

savage had possibly the highest upside of the quarterbacks in this draft, and was taken when value made it a great pick.

pagan will be part of the rotation immediately and will probably beat out crick by next year.

blue will be part of the depth.

prosch will start-ish. i dont think there's anything more underrated than a great blocking fullback, and prosch is a thumper.

hal and balentine ... 7th rounders that might make the squad as special teamers. one site was extremely high on hal, so there may be real potential there to assume a nickel role as early as next year.

thunderkyss
05-10-2014, 10:16 PM
I gave them a B.

I thought they were doing everything right, until they got to the second 6th round pick. Then it was like they left Rick Smith alone while everyone else went for nachos.

Hervoyel
05-10-2014, 10:53 PM
I enjoyed this draft immensely and think we did good. I think we got better on both sides of the ball. Our defense has a chance to be really special over the next few years. One thing I thought about this morning as I looked over the haul from days 1 & 2 was how similar this draft was to the 2006 draft. In Kubiak's first season here when he worked with Casserly he was also fortunate to get a really deep draft and we picked well in it.

We got a bunch of starters that year. Mario, DeMeco, Spencer, Winston, and Daniels all were great picks. Spencer got hurt but I don't think of him as a bad pick. Nobody could have predicted that. It really was a "5 starter draft" and both Mario and DeMeco were special players.

This year we just might have matched it. Clowney, Su'a-Filo, Fiedorowicz, and Nix look like locks to start to me. Just one more guy works out and that matches the kind of quality we got in 2006. The thing is I'm more excited about these guys than I was that group.

I'd rather have had Mettenberger than Savage but that's splitting hairs at this point. Neither would have been picked to start (Though Mettenberger will displace Locker quickly in Nashville I expect). Maybe Pagan will step up and be the 5th starter. Who knows?

I give this an "A" knowing that grading the draft on the last day is kind of pointless. Still, very optimistic about this one.

buddyboy
05-10-2014, 11:01 PM
Whoops, that one F was me.

Goatcheese
05-10-2014, 11:46 PM
We got a bunch of starters that year. Mario, DeMeco, Spencer, Winston, and Daniels all were great picks. Spencer got hurt but I don't think of him as a bad pick. Nobody could have predicted that. It really was a "5 starter draft" and both Mario and DeMeco were special players.

This year we just might have matched it. Clowney, Su'a-Filo, Fiedorowicz, and Nix look like locks to start to me. Just one more guy works out and that matches the kind of quality we got in 2006. The thing is I'm more excited about these guys than I was that group.


This would be a crazy good class if it turned out like 2006. You had 3 pro bowlers and one of the best RTs in the NFL for several seasons come out of that class.

I like this class, but I don't see it being anywhere near 2006. That was one of the 10-15 all time great drafts for any franchise.

Norg
05-10-2014, 11:48 PM
is this a Patriots draft 2002 draft outta /10

reminds me of it LOL


We are now Patriots SOUTH a bunch of blue collar no name players bring your lunch pail BIGGGG UGLY PLAYERS

Corrosion
05-10-2014, 11:53 PM
is this a Patriots draft 2002 draft outta /10

reminds me of it LOL


We are now Patriots SOUTH a bunch of blue collar no name players bring your lunch pail BIGGGG UGLY PLAYERS

Reminded me more of a .... Steelers draft from the Chuck Noll & Bill Cowher era's.


Bunch of big nasty types that wont get pushed around ....

EllisUnit
05-10-2014, 11:54 PM
Whoops, that one F was me.

haha yeah i had to look and see who that lone wolf was. Was assuming you hit the wrong button but you never know.

To me this is one of the best drafts i have seen from the texans !

2slik4u
05-11-2014, 12:30 AM
I think we`ve got ourselves 5 early season starters out of this draft:

Clowney
XSF
Fiedorowicz
Nix
Prosch

Add to that 3 rotational players in

Pagan
Blue
Hal

Anf two projects in:

Savage
Ballentine

So, 5 starters, 3 rotational player, 2 guys with a buttload of talent that could help us in the future. That is a great draft in my book. Of course it never plays out this way, but I still think we`ve got a whole lot better the past 3 days.

Guh. I love the draft and give it an A-

...that awkward moment when you realize you may have drafted five starters and realize how low your team has dropped when you draft five starters...

Wolf6151
05-11-2014, 01:01 AM
1. Clowney, an expected pick and best player in the draft. A
2. Su'a Filo, surprising but we got the best OG in the draft. A+
3. Fiedorowicz, good player but there was better talent available at positions of need. The player is a B, the pick is a head scratcher. C-
3b. Nix, best NT in the draft and if he stays healthy this pick is a conditional A+
4. Savage, he's got potential, I give the pick a B.
6. Pagan, he's a rotational body with decent size and there was better talent still available. C+
6b. Blue, head scratcher when you consider that Lache Seastrunk was still available. F
6c. Prosch, This pick makes no sense, haven't we already taken 2 FB's in the last 2 yrs., now we've got 3. In a very deep draft it's a wasted pick. F
7. Hal, grade based on potential alone, there were better prospects still available. C
7b. Ballentine, size and speed is what you look for in the 7th. B+


It seems that O'Brien was in charge of the first 4 rounds and that he then turned it over to Rick Smith who had no clue who any of these players were. Smith continues to treat the late rounds of the draft like they don't matter, and in possibly the deepest draft ever that's inexcuseable. Taking Blue in the 6th when Lache Seastrunk was available to you makes no sense what so ever, an injured rotational backup over one of the best RB prospects available? The first 5 picks are an A-, the last 5 picks are a C-/D+ I average it out to a B-

xtruroyaltyx
05-11-2014, 01:17 AM
Draft gets an A from me.

We didn't draft any Whitney Mercilus fake football players. Most of the guys we picked I already knew a great deal about...A couple of the others I've been brushing up on them and I like what little I've seen.

First four picks were home runs as far as I'm concerned.

Savage is going to have to put in the work to be a starting QB in the NFL. I'm intrigued by him and cautiously optimistic. Hopefully he becomes a star, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Love Prosch and Blue. Especially Prosch. I think he's going to be a Texan for a long, long time.

Pagan has the ability...He just needs to get the consistent motor and desire. I think his adrenaline as a rookie will help take care of that though. But the guy is solidly built. Strong. Perfect fit at 34 DE.


Overall this team used this draft to get bigger and stronger and flat out more talented.

leebigeztx
05-11-2014, 01:18 AM
Ask me again in 3 years.

That's me. I think the best player taken was the ucla guard. Nix and clowney can really mke this draft special if the can live up to some of what they display talent wise. Not a savage fan. I feel like if the texans wanted a big,inaccurate passer to fix,why not josh freeman? Better yet,why not a guy like boyd? I like the iowa te. He's not gonna make anyone bracket him,but he runs better than his 40. Kinda wanted seastrunk vs blue,but that's me. Ballentine has a lot of upside and he probably get stashed for a yr. I like the randy bullock pick as a udfa.

The Pencil Neck
05-11-2014, 01:27 AM
6c. Prosch, This pick makes no sense, haven't we already taken 2 FB's in the last 2 yrs., now we've got 3. In a very deep draft it's a wasted pick. F

I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

No. We haven't taken any FBs the past 2 years and although we've got 1 FB on the team right now, he's a guy we picked up from the Browns -- I think he was a street FA.

Last year, we picked up Greg Jones from the Jags. But that was a 1 year contract and he's gone now.

We also traded a couple of years ago for a FB but he's no longer on the team.

Wolf6151
05-11-2014, 01:56 AM
I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

No. We haven't taken any FBs the past 2 years and although we've got 1 FB on the team right now, he's a guy we picked up from the Browns -- I think he was a street FA.

Last year, we picked up Greg Jones from the Jags. But that was a 1 year contract and he's gone now.

We also traded a couple of years ago for a FB but he's no longer on the team.

What I'm referring to were UDFA's Zach Boren-2013 who was supposed to be a very good FB, Jason Ford-2012, FA Greg Jones-2013, and some guy you say we picked up as a street FA from the Browns. Brad Smelley is on the roster now, not sure if that's the guy your referring to from the Browns. That's 4 FB's in the last 2 yrs.. I understand Jones left for better money elsewhere, but Boren was supposed to be a very good FB. You'd think that one of these guys could stick with the team. We've got a revolving turnstile at FB. I just think there was better talent on the board to be had than drafting a FB.

The first 5 picks in the draft were very good, and the last 5 picks were bad when you consider the other talent on the board.

keyser
05-11-2014, 02:09 AM
Here's my take:
- Clowney: I've never been sold on him. I hope I'm wrong, but someone who was regularly handled the whole year and plays with an inconsistent motor bothers me. I worry we'll have another Mario: tremendous potential with flashes but never really becoming a true difference-maker. There were 4 or 5 others I'd have put higher.

- Sua'Filo: Really like this pick.

-Fiedorowicz: Not so sure at first, but as I've learned more about him, I'm very happy about this pick, also.

- Nix: Love this pick. Hope whatever was causing him to drop turns out to be a non-issue, though.

- Savage: Not sure he is any better than what we already had

- 6th and 7th round picks: OK, I guess, but nothing spectacular. Prosch is the one pick out of this group that I really like - I'm surprised we need a FB, but he seems like a good one.

- Overall: we went into this draft with one gigantic need: QB. I don't think that Savage is the answer there. Between not being so high on the Clowney pick and not getting a top QB prospect, I can't give this an A. There are some other really good picks, though, so I'll go with a B.

The Pencil Neck
05-11-2014, 02:19 AM
What I'm referring to were UDFA's Zach Boren-2013 who was supposed to be a very good FB, Jason Ford-2012, FA Greg Jones-2013, and some guy you say we picked up as a street FA from the Browns. Brad Smelley is on the roster now, not sure if that's the guy your referring to from the Browns. That's 4 FB's in the last 2 yrs.. I understand Jones left for better money elsewhere, but Boren was supposed to be a very good FB. You'd think that one of these guys could stick with the team. We've got a revolving turnstile at FB. I just think there was better talent on the board to be had than drafting a FB.

The first 5 picks in the draft were very good, and the last 5 picks were bad when you consider the other talent on the board.

You were making it sound like we'd drafted 2 FBs in the previous couple of years and we haven't.

Greg Jones is an OLD FB and was only on a 1 year contract. The other guys were just guys, UDFA guys that we hoped would be able to come in and make a difference. But. Still. UDFA guys. Not guys you should put a lot of hope in.

But most importantly, KUBIAK guys. This is a different staff looking for different qualities.

Wolf6151
05-11-2014, 02:25 AM
You were making it sound like we'd drafted 2 FBs in the previous couple of years and we haven't.

Greg Jones is an OLD FB and was only on a 1 year contract. The other guys were just guys, UDFA guys that we hoped would be able to come in and make a difference. But. Still. UDFA guys. Not guys you should put a lot of hope in.

But most importantly, KUBIAK guys. This is a different staff looking for different qualities.

You make a good point on the 4 guys being Kubiak guys, but I'd think that 4 guys at 1 position in 2 yrs. one of them should be able to stick. I also think that there were more important positions like ILB, OLB, and OT to fill.

thunderkyss
05-11-2014, 03:26 AM
This year we just might have matched it. Clowney, Su'a-Filo, Fiedorowicz, and Nix look like locks to start to me. Just one more guy works out and that matches the kind of quality we got in 2006. The thing is I'm more excited about these guys than I was that group.


I agree with your post for the most part... but that fat boy, Nix, worries me. If he comes into camp "in shape" then maybe he's a lock, but I won't count on him starting until we see him week 1 @ 330 or less.

The Pencil Neck
05-11-2014, 03:49 AM
You make a good point on the 4 guys being Kubiak guys, but I'd think that 4 guys at 1 position in 2 yrs. one of them should be able to stick. I also think that there were more important positions like ILB, OLB, and OT to fill.

I was also rooting for an ILB and we ended up getting one as a UDFA that I was hoping we'd draft. So I'm not worried about that and I think that resolves two positions.

We can't solve every problem in one draft and we don't really know how RAC and OB see our current players fitting into what they want to do. When it comes to the OL, I think OB sees it as:

Brown - XSF - Myers - Brooks - Q

I think that's a pretty good young line.

The linebacker situation has me guessing, to be honest. We're thin there and RAC doesn't seem to be too concerned about it. So I'm interested in seeing how they go on that front. Right now, I'm seeing it as:

Reed - Cush - Bullough - Clowney

But that's because I had expected Bullough to be drafted. It's really too much to expect a 6th, 7th, or UDFA rookie to come in and start. It could be:

Mercilus - Cush - Reed - Clowney

That combination worries me unless we're going back to playing Wade Phillips' 5-2.

Getting the best FB in the draft... I'm not considering that a bad thing. Especially with the way OB seems to be setting up our offense as more of a pound the ball, throw vertical sort of thing.

Carr Bombed
05-11-2014, 07:40 AM
Okay, who is the turd in the punch bowl?

Thorn
05-11-2014, 07:51 AM
Just doing a quick review of draft grades, apparently a lot of folks are giving the Texans very high grades for this draft.

IlliniJen
05-11-2014, 08:16 AM
Who's the trolly troll who gave the draft an F?

Thorn
05-11-2014, 08:19 AM
Whoops, that one F was me.

Sounds like he hit the wrong button.

Texian
05-11-2014, 09:14 AM
1.1 Clowney - ?
At this point hard to say, is he Willie McGinest or is he Aundray Bruce. 3 Sacks and to many accusations he's LAZY suggest Bruce. It was the safe, conventional, inside the box pick.

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G - B
A good pick that doesn't make sense. Texan Redundancy, recent drafts = Williams, Quessenberry, Brooks, Jones w/ White and Kuper on the roster.

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE - A
Maybe the best blocking TE in the draft. Replaces Dreessen, Texans best year running the ball was when Joel was here.

3.19 Louis Nix NT - C
At one point Nix was consensus top 15 pick. He dropped badly, every team seemed to know why but Texans. Shades of Williams and Montgomery. Not a fan of trading away #101 and #141 for someone who will only play 20%-30% of the defensive snaps. Played like a 4th-5th rd pick in 2013.

4.35 Tom Savage QB - D
Two time transfer, that indicates mental makeup likely "me" and "I" instead of team. Makes as many bad decisions as good decisions. 2 time transfer says he wasn't good enough to be #1 QB for two teams.

Rounds 6-7 = C

Prior to the draft I didn't think it possible that the Texans with the first pick in every round could possibly have an average and ordinary draft.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
05-11-2014, 09:20 AM
1.1 Clowney - ?
At this point hard to say, is he Willie McGinest or is he Aundray Bruce. 3 Sacks and to many accusations he's LAZY suggest Bruce. It was the safe, conventional, inside the box pick.

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G - B
A good pick that doesn't make sense. Texan Redundancy, recent drafts = Williams, Quessenberry, Brooks, Jones w/ White and Kuper on the roster.

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE - A
Maybe the best blocking TE in the draft. Replaces Dreessen, Texans best year running the ball was when Joel was here.

3.19 Louis Nix NT - C
At one point Nix was consensus top 15 pick. He dropped badly, every team seemed to know why but Texans. Shades of Williams and Montgomery. Not a fan of trading away #101 and #141 for someone who will only play 20%-30% of the defensive snaps. Played like a 4th-5th rd pick in 2013.

4.35 Tom Savage QB - D
Two time transfer, that indicates mental makeup likely "me" and "I" instead of team. Makes as many bad decisions as good decisions. 2 time transfer says he wasn't good enough to be #1 QB for two teams.

Rounds 6-7 = C

Prior to the draft I didn't think it possible that the Texans with the first pick in every round could possibly have an average and ordinary draft.

He left Rutgers after he had a good year and the coach told him he'd still have to compete for his job, he left Arizona because he said due to scheme fit, or Imo he was intimidated by Foles

gafftop
05-11-2014, 09:39 AM
C thought we did not leverage the No 1 pick to gain more picks. Not sold on JC. Nix may be good but injury problems. Like guard.

Still same slow plodding team on offense. JC only possible impact player but he is on defense. I do agree defense needed to be upgraded but no skill players on offense.
Hope no big surprise with AJ this year.
Just my opinion

beerlover
05-11-2014, 09:42 AM
1. Clowney, an expected pick and best player in the draft. A
2. Su'a Filo, surprising but we got the best OG in the draft. A+
3. Fiedorowicz, good player but there was better talent available at positions of need. The player is a B, the pick is a head scratcher. C-
3b. Nix, best NT in the draft and if he stays healthy this pick is a conditional A+
4. Savage, he's got potential, I give the pick a B.
6. Pagan, he's a rotational body with decent size and there was better talent still available. C+
6b. Blue, head scratcher when you consider that Lache Seastrunk was still available. F
6c. Prosch, This pick makes no sense, haven't we already taken 2 FB's in the last 2 yrs., now we've got 3. In a very deep draft it's a wasted pick. F
7. Hal, grade based on potential alone, there were better prospects still available. C
7b. Ballentine, size and speed is what you look for in the 7th. B+


It seems that O'Brien was in charge of the first 4 rounds and that he then turned it over to Rick Smith who had no clue who any of these players were. Smith continues to treat the late rounds of the draft like they don't matter, and in possibly the deepest draft ever that's inexcuseable. Taking Blue in the 6th when Lache Seastrunk was available to you makes no sense what so ever, an injured rotational backup over one of the best RB prospects available? The first 5 picks are an A-, the last 5 picks are a C-/D+ I average it out to a B-

similar feelings so I can relate to this being avid mock draft guy myself but it's a given Texans have far reaching resources beyond our means as well as private information, medical/background. The 3rd day no doubt are coaching inspired picks presented by Texans scouting department to fill priority needs on this roster. much rep to you for telling your side of story :twocents:

Texian
05-11-2014, 09:51 AM
He left Rutgers after he had a good year and the coach told him he'd still have to compete for his job, he left Arizona because he said due to scheme fit, or Imo he was intimidated by Foles

What is almost always the case why people transfer is they weren't good enough to get the playing time they want. Jevan Snead, Garrett Gilbert and Storm Johnson are recent player transfers many folks can identify with.There are rare exceptions where a player graduates and can transfer w/o having to wait a year, as was the case w/ Russell Wilson.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2014, 10:43 AM
First Round

1.1 Jadeveon Clowney DE/OLB A
Best prospect in the draft and it didn't make sense to reach for just a guy .

Second Round

2.1 Xavier Su’a-Filo G A
Best guard in the draft and they needed a guard . You can't complain about building the trenches and then complain cause they did .

Third Round

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE B+
The big target we've been asking for plus the best blocking TE in the draft . Newton or the RT may get help .

3.19 Louis Nix NT A
Wanted him in the 2nd because you can't teach big . He's not going to be asked to be a ballet dancer or run 5Ks , he's a NG .

Fourth Round

4.35 Tom Savage QB B
I think BOB got his man and hope Belichick drafted Grap by mistake . Savage has better arm talent than the big 3 QBs and he went the equivalent of a 2 year Mormon mission that made him grow up .

Sixth Round

6.1 Jeoffrey Pagan DE A
Needed a big strong 5 technique and he's been around a winning team .

6.5 Alfred Blue HB B
Like a back with few carries . Dude still has his legs and is a plus receiver .

6.35 Jay Prosch FB B+
Hard Nosed old school FB with good hands . Best blocking FB in the draft
Seventh Round

7.1 Andre Hal CB INC
Don't know anything about him yet .


7.41 Lonnie Ballentine FS B+
I like the fact the Texans want to get bigger faster stronger . No more 4.7 40's cause he's a player .

Overall and A for
1. Best prospect
2. Best OG
3. Best blocking TE
3. Best NG
6. Best blocking FB

FA brings beast at ILB .

I'm a half full type guy this time of year it makes it more enjoyable .


http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-combine-ratings/2014/

beerlover
05-11-2014, 11:00 AM
In reverse order (I'm sick to death of focus on #1).

256) Lonnie Ballentine, FS, Memphis 6030 219

Similar body build to Randy Moss. Did not follow this prospect however could be a gem & addresses coveted FS position I projected much earlier (Bucannon). Very high ceiling developmental prospect, classic true boom or bust. sure scouting did their homework so will defer to them & ability to sell him to new coaching staff. check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoD3ZpaUzxs day after grade B

216) Andre Hall, CB, Vanderbilt 5103 188

Studied this polished CB & actually selected him for Philly 7th rd. 237, so I agree with rating & along with Lonnie addresses db need could see some reps in nickle coverage & very good on special teams, hard worker & will compete. B

211) Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn 6010 256

Texans have struggled ever since Vonta Leach left team, if he can lead block for Foster like Leach this is solid value & replaces much costlier Greg Jones while signalling end to FB by committee experiment. Loved that power running attack Auburn used, this pick is more about system than player alone B+.

181) Alfred Blue, RB, LSU 6023 223

Not crazy about Blue but possess plus size, similar to Foster. Back-up to prized #1 Jeremy Hill should be use to back-up role behind Foster. Plenty of tread life left on his wheels so should be fresh & fit into the power scheme. C

177) Jeffrey Pagan, DE/DT, Alabama 6034 319

Back-up DE/NT. not explosive or athletically gifted but does have heavy hands & space eater. Had medical issues & played only one year as starter. See him as reach pick to fill need. C

135) Tom Savage, QB, Pitt 6037 228

Pocket QB with some mobility to extend plays. In mold of a Bortles or Tom Brady but must be developed by O'Brian in his toughest task to date. Some Cougar fans aren't going to like this but project Keenum to practice squad with TJ back-up to Fitzpatrick, Savage as backup to TJ. Goodbye Case & good luck! Had a solid 4th rd. grade throughout this process on Savage & given the need he gets a solid B.

83) Louis Nix III, NT/NG, Notre Dame 6023 331

Only reason I can think of why he dropped this far was his surgically repaired season-ending torn meniscus. Texans medical staff had to give assurances or at least a positive prognosis moving forward. So while I love this player/prospect we should be careful & not expect too much right away. Texans also gave up 4th & 5th rd. picks to Philadelphia to move up to acquire him. Some added cost that I hope will be well worth it, plus I really like his personality, he cracks me up & should keep locker room loose. B+

65) CJ Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa 6054 265

Favorite pick of Texan draft. 3rd rd. grade but could easily gone earlier. limited production based off conservative Iowa offense, under utilized but developed polish as in line & down-field blocker. Was scared to death Texans drafted him to trade to New England in exchange for Mallet. Fits the Gronk profile w/o injury concerns. A

33) Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA 6041 307

What separates him beside Samoan bloodline from Zach Martin (who went to Jerry Jones hopeless Cowgirls 16th overall) is his superior length & athletic ability. Gets to second level better than most OG's I've ever seen, should have went earlier, in most years he would have gone in first. Did/Could not project him being available for Texans. Strong & explosive in his play as teammate DE/OLB Anthony Barr (9th overall to Vikings)was defensively. A

1) Jadeveon Clowney, DE/OLB, South Carolina 6052 266

BPA. Cannot go wrong with that approach especially on a team that struggled in pass rushing that had created double & triple teams on Texans best defensive player JJ Watt. This gives Clowney an outstanding opportunity to play in a Romeo Crennel defense & being coached up personally with one of the hottest up & coming coaches in Mike Vrabel. Watt-Nix-Crick in front then Clowney-Cushing-Brooks-Mercilus in middle with Joseph-Lewis-Swearinger-Jackson back-end. A

Overall, without bias Texans B+

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2014, 11:07 AM
In reverse order (I'm sick to death of focus on #1).

256) Lonnie Ballentine, FS, Memphis 6030 219

Similar body build to Randy Moss. Did not follow this prospect however could be a gem & addresses coveted FS position I projected much earlier (Bucannon). Very high ceiling developmental prospect, classic true boom or bust. sure scouting did their homework so will defer to them & ability to sell him to new coaching staff. check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoD3ZpaUzxs day after grade B

216) Andre Hall, CB, Vanderbilt 5103 188

Studied this polished CB & actually selected him for Philly 7th rd. 237, so I agree with rating & along with Lonnie addresses db need could see some reps in nickle coverage & very good on special teams, hard worker & will compete. B

211) Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn 6010 256

Texans have struggled ever since Vonta Leach left team, if he can lead block for Foster like Leach this is solid value & replaces much costlier Greg Jones while signalling end to FB by committee experiment. Loved that power running attack Auburn used, this pick is more about system than player alone B+.

181) Alfred Blue, RB, LSU 6023 223

Not crazy about Blue but possess plus size, similar to Foster. Back-up to prized #1 Jeremy Hill should be use to back-up role behind Foster. Plenty of tread life left on his wheels so should be fresh & fit into the power scheme. C

177) Jeffrey Pagan, DE/DT, Alabama 6034 319

Back-up DE/NT. not explosive or athletically gifted but does have heavy hands & space eater. Had medical issues & played only one year as starter. See him as reach pick to fill need. C

135) Tom Savage, QB, Pitt 6037 228

Pocket QB with some mobility to extend plays. In mold of a Bortles or Tom Brady but must be developed by O'Brian in his toughest task to date. Some Cougar fans aren't going to like this but project Keenum to practice squad with TJ back-up to Fitzpatrick, Savage as backup to TJ. Goodbye Case & good luck! Had a solid 4th rd. grade throughout this process on Savage & given the need he gets a solid B.

83) Louis Nix III, NT/NG, Notre Dame 6023 331

Only reason I can think of why he dropped this far was his surgically repaired season-ending torn meniscus. Texans medical staff had to give assurances or at least a positive prognosis moving forward. So while I love this player/prospect we should be careful & not expect too much right away. Texans also gave up 4th & 5th rd. picks to Philadelphia to move up to acquire him. Some added cost that I hope will be well worth it, plus I really like his personality, he cracks me up & should keep locker room loose. B+

65) CJ Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa 6054 265

Favorite pick of Texan draft. 3rd rd. grade but could easily gone earlier. limited production based off conservative Iowa offense, under utilized but developed polish as in line & down-field blocker. Was scared to death Texans drafted him to trade to New England in exchange for Mallet. Fits the Gronk profile w/o injury concerns. A

33) Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA 6041 307

What separates him beside Samoan bloodline from Zach Martin (who went to Jerry Jones hopeless Cowgirls 16th overall) is his superior length & athletic ability. Gets to second level better than most OG's I've ever seen, should have went earlier, in most years he would have gone in first. Did/Could not project him being available for Texans. Strong & explosive in his play as teammate DE/OLB Anthony Barr (9th overall to Vikings)was defensively. A

1) Jadeveon Clowney, DE/OLB, South Carolina 6052 266

BPA. Cannot go wrong with that approach especially on a team that struggled in pass rushing that had created double & triple teams on Texans best defensive player JJ Watt. This gives Clowney an outstanding opportunity to play in a Romeo Crennel defense & being coached up personally with one of the hottest up & coming coaches in Mike Vrabel. Watt-Nix-Crick in front then Clowney-Cushing-Brooks-Mercilus in middle with Joseph-Lewis-Swearinger-Jackson back-end. A

Overall, without bias Texans B+

NE seemed to like LSU backs it seems , Kevin Faulk and Steven Ridley as examples .

Thorn
05-11-2014, 11:11 AM
In reverse order (I'm sick to death of focus on #1).

256) Lonnie Ballentine, FS, Memphis 6030 219

Similar body build to Randy Moss. Did not follow this prospect however could be a gem & addresses coveted FS position I projected much earlier (Bucannon). Very high ceiling developmental prospect, classic true boom or bust. sure scouting did their homework so will defer to them & ability to sell him to new coaching staff. check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoD3ZpaUzxs day after grade B

The video was impressive to say the least. I liked those ones where he came across the field and chased the guy down. Wonder how he'll be against true NFL speed?

DBCooper
05-11-2014, 11:21 AM
1.1 Clowney - ?
At this point hard to say, is he Willie McGinest or is he Aundray Bruce. 3 Sacks and to many accusations he's LAZY suggest Bruce. It was the safe, conventional, inside the box pick.

2.1 Xavier Sua-Filo G - B
A good pick that doesn't make sense. Texan Redundancy, recent drafts = Williams, Quessenberry, Brooks, Jones w/ White and Kuper on the roster.

3.1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE - A
Maybe the best blocking TE in the draft. Replaces Dreessen, Texans best year running the ball was when Joel was here.

3.19 Louis Nix NT - C
At one point Nix was consensus top 15 pick. He dropped badly, every team seemed to know why but Texans. Shades of Williams and Montgomery. Not a fan of trading away #101 and #141 for someone who will only play 20%-30% of the defensive snaps. Played like a 4th-5th rd pick in 2013.

4.35 Tom Savage QB - D
Two time transfer, that indicates mental makeup likely "me" and "I" instead of team. Makes as many bad decisions as good decisions. 2 time transfer says he wasn't good enough to be #1 QB for two teams.

Rounds 6-7 = C

Prior to the draft I didn't think it possible that the Texans with the first pick in every round could possibly have an average and ordinary draft.

Average and ordinary! Lol

I knew I could count on you!

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2014, 11:34 AM
Average and ordinary! Lol

I knew I could count on you!

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bhsman
05-11-2014, 11:34 AM
1) Clowney - A+

Best player in the draft. Helps Watt and helps the defense as a whole. No overthinking here.

2) Su'a-Filo - A+

We had a need at Guard and got potentially the best one in the draft. Great at pulling and loves finishing blocks from what tape I've seen. Love it; we could potentially have a really great line once everyone develops in Brown/Su'a-Filo/Myers/Brooks/Quessenberry.

3a) Fiedorowicz - A

Would've really liked to have Garoppolo here, but the best blocking TE in the draft with similar measureables to guys like Gronkowski and Sefarian-Jenkins who doubles as a red-zone threat? Love it.

3b) Nix - A+(++++)

An awesome player and even more awesome person, and in the middle of the third? Amazing value; even if Nix isn't used as a DT in 4-man fronts, he is PERFECT for this defense and should keep guys like Cush (and Reed, presumably) clean. Defense can't double him AND Watt AND Clowney and expect to get away with it.

4) Savage - B+

Would've preferred Garoppolo here, as I mentioned, but I was higher on Savage than most and getting him in the bottom of the 4th is good value. Let him sit for the season and see how things shake out draft-wise in 2015 (and because Savage is a late-4th pick, we aren't chained to him if a guy like Hundley or Mariota somehow fall to us). Good pick.

6a) Pagan - B+

Good scheme fit with lots of athletic potential; should be great DE depth if nothing else. My sole knock is his lack of playing time at Alabama, though that also means he's not riddled with injuries due to Saban's coaching.

6b) Blue - B+

Bluuuuuuuuuuuue! Feels like he's the heir apparent to Brown (and potentially Foster). Big back with good speed and a threat in the red zone; decent hands, too. Relatively low lack of carries means he's still got a lot of tread left.

6c) Prosch - A+

Best blocking fullback in the draft; he can run a 4.7 and can power clean 400lbs. In addition, he has decent hands an is a threat to catch. Love the pick.

7a) Hal - A+

I'm a believer in Brett Kollmann, and Brett loves this guy. For a 7th round pick, I love it.

7b) Ballentine - A

Raw player with great tools; he should contribute early and often on special teams, and if he improves technique-wise he should make a great Free Safety.

Overall, I give the draft an A. Who knows how some of these picks will look in retrospect, but it's difficult not to feel great about it now. We potentially have 4 starters alone from this draft.

Hardcore Texan
05-11-2014, 11:44 AM
Very solid draft, I am real happy with it. One glaring concern though, we didn't draft any OL, so are we rolling with Newton next season?

WolverineFan
05-11-2014, 11:49 AM
Very solid draft, I am real happy with it. One glaring concern though, we didn't draft any OL, so are we rolling with Newton next season?

No OL? We drafted Su'a-Filo in the 2nd round. Perhaps you meant OT? I think we have an open competition at RT between Newton and 2 of our O-Line picks last year (David Quessenberry and Brennan Williams). I would be surprised if Newton wins that competition.

LT - Brown
LG - Su'a-Filo
C - Myers
RG - Brooks
RT - Quess / Williams / Newton

TexanBorn51
05-11-2014, 11:55 AM
Short and sweet reply from a non coaching guy. The only player I heard of was Clowney (duh) but I did read up on the selected players and prior mocks. I also learn and continue to read board posts and threads daily if not yearly here. If the player improves and fills a need then it's easy to grade the selection. Time will tell if the grade stays true on the field.

1.1 Clowney A
Defintiely improves defense needs

2.1 Su'a-Filo A
Definitely improves offensive line needs

3.1 Fiedorowicz A
Definitely improves TE needs

3.19 Nix A
Definitely improves defensive line needs

4.35 Savage A
Fills depth and competition as appears Fitz is 2015 starter (for non believers I suggest at least take one year at a time..focus 2015)

6.1 Pagan A
Definitely improves defensive line needs

6.5 Blue A
Definitely improves in running passing game needs

6.35 Prosch A
Definitely improves in running pass blocking game n special teams needs

7.1 Hal and Ballentine A
Definitely improves competition and invites hidden talents

Compare to what happened last year it should definitely improve the team. All of the new 26 of 27 coaches, asst coaches, coordinators, QB, injured rookies last year, players that left, and this year draftees can now emerge and develop.
I believe after this it's fair to allow them this yearly time to show and play a competitive and winning season. As a fan it can be rough and impatient sometime through past seasons. I'm hoping they should at least get to a sane 8-8 this year and above to stay away from this total complete assessment.

Corrosion
05-11-2014, 12:02 PM
Average and ordinary! Lol

I knew I could count on you!

I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


Savage - Incomplete Has a full box of tools , lots of potential, more likely a wasted pick. Hard for me to believe that a late 4th round pick is going to be a starting QB in the NFL. (yeah I know there are exceptions).

Jeffrey Pagan C , Definite need pick with only Watt & Crick on the roster at DE. I probably would have taken a DE (or OT) in place of Savage. Should be in the rotation at DE.

Alfred Blue C , Another need pick. Average talent , backup in college.

Jay Prosch B , Best player at his position in the draft. Hard to complain about. Not a sexy pick but a good one even if the position is devalued.

Andre Hall B , Cant knock picking a CB here. Special teams player , that unit really needs improvement.


Lonnie Ballentine B , Athletic safety high reward low risk.



None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away. They did what they were suppose to do , filled needs with guys who they believe fit the systems they will implement.
Prosch will likely be the day one starter at FB , Pagan should be in the DE rotation , Blue will be a backup unless Foster implodes, Hall & Ballentine may make the roster , may not probably depends upon their performance on ST.

They went into the draft with one BIG need and likely didn't fill it (Hope I'm wrong). I give them a pass tho because they got three guy's in Clowney , Nix and Su'a-Filo with first round talent & the QB's don't appear to be franchise types , taking any one of them would likely have been a reach.


Now I hope they read this and set out to prove me wrong ....

Thorn
05-11-2014, 12:05 PM
Very solid draft, I am real happy with it. One glaring concern though, we didn't draft any OL, so are we rolling with Newton next season?

Put down the bong you've had to much today.

Lord Bills
05-11-2014, 12:05 PM
Im giving it a B because everything depends on Clowney living up his hype.

If Manziel or any of the QBs who we passed on become great and Clowney's red flags (lazy, self entitled, no motor) come to fruition then this is officially another failed draft.

we needed a qb yet we waited until the middle rounds to get one despite the fact that most of the top rated qbs were still there to be had.

DBCooper
05-11-2014, 12:11 PM
I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


Savage - Incomplete Has a full box of tools , lots of potential, more likely a wasted pick. Hard for me to believe that a late 4th round pick is going to be a starting QB in the NFL. (yeah I know there are exceptions).

Jeffrey Pagan C , Definite need pick with only Watt & Crick on the roster at DE. I probably would have taken a DE (or OT) in place of Savage. Should be in the rotation at DE.

Alfred Blue C , Another need pick. Average talent , backup in college.

Jay Prosch B , Best player at his position in the draft. Hard to complain about. Not a sexy pick but a good one even if the position is devalued.

Andre Hall B , Cant knock picking a CB here. Special teams player , that unit really needs improvement.


Lonnie Ballentine B , Athletic safety high reward low risk.



None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away. They did what they were suppose to do , filled needs with guys who they believe fit the systems they will implement.
Prosch will likely be the day one starter at FB , Pagan should be in the DE rotation , Blue will be a backup unless Foster implodes, Hall & Ballentine may make the roster , may not probably depends upon their performance on ST.

They went into the draft with one BIG need and likely didn't fill it (Hope I'm wrong). I give them a pass tho because they got three guy's in Clowney , Nix and Su'a-Filo with first round talent & the QB's don't appear to be franchise types , taking any one of them would likely have been a reach.


Now I hope they read this and set out to prove me wrong ....

They are building this team like I like football teams - Big, Strong, Tough!

I love what they were able to do in a single draft.

And I don't agree about not filling the biggest hole (QB), I would rather they wait and try to find the QB through another avenue than to waste a pick on anyone they aren't sold with.

I don't think any of the QB's in this draft excited O'Brien.

The position I'm looking at is running back. Can Foster fit in this style (grind it out) Offense?

drs23
05-11-2014, 12:38 PM
Even Patriots fans think they had a good draft, and they totally stunk at their draft. Bellicheck taking a QB in round 2 and a project player in round 1? :vincepalm:


Fans always want to look for the positives.

I think in our draft the coaches did what they intended to do for the most part. Nothing goes as planned the entire time, but they probably wanted to bring in their guys for the system they want to implement which will need to start in the trenches. My favorite pick is that NT assuming he ends up being a good space eater in the middle who can cause some havoc as well. With him going in there, it makes me feel better about the Clowney pick.

Well, except for the Eeyore folks of coarse and every fanbase needs a resident Eeyore. Thanks so much for being (one of) ours. :smooch:

Corrosion
05-11-2014, 12:47 PM
They are building this team like I like football teams - Big, Strong, Tough!

I love what they were able to do in a single draft.


Sure , I agree completely .... just that those guys taken from 4:35 on down may not make the final 53 , they were average to ordinary players (in terms of NFL talent) and that's why they were available at those spots.


And I don't agree about not filling the biggest hole (QB), I would rather they wait and try to find the QB through another avenue than to waste a pick on anyone they aren't sold with.

I don't think any of the QB's in this draft excited O'Brien.

Like I said , I give them a pass on the QB spot .... no reason to reach for a player who you don't believe in. They resisted that temptation .... In this pass happy league of instant results , that's tough to do.
If Savage turns out to be a starter , great. If not , they can find their QB of the future at a later date ... no issue with this at all. He was a gamble worth taking .... full box of tools.


The position I'm looking at is running back. Can Foster fit in this style grind it out Offense?

That's a good question & he does have a lot of wear & tear on his body .... not to mention coming off of surgery.




I think they could surprise some people. This defense looks like it's going to be very good.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that they make the playoffs right out of the gate with a journeyman QB at the helm.
The schedule is favorable , two other teams in their division have questions under center.
Win those 4 games and you are half way to 8-8 with a last place schedule while last years playoff contenders will face opposition that finished with better records last season outside of those games decided by divisional rotation.

I can see them finishing ~9-7 if they get some breaks along the way.

DBCooper
05-11-2014, 12:51 PM
Sure , I agree completely .... just that those guys taken from 4:35 on down may not make the final 53 , they were average to ordinary players (in terms of NFL talent) and that's why they were available at those spots.




Like I said , I give them a pass on the QB spot .... no reason to reach for a player who you don't believe in. They resisted that temptation .... In this pass happy league of instant results , that's tough to do.
If Savage turns out to be a starter , great. If not , they can find their QB of the future at a later date ... no issue with this at all. He was a gamble worth taking .... full box of tools.



That's a good question & he does have a lot of wear & tear on his body .... not to mention coming off of surgery.




I think they could surprise some people. This defense looks like it's going to be very good.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that they make the playoffs right out of the gate with a journeyman QB at the helm.
The schedule is favorable , two other teams in their division have questions under center.
Win those 4 games and you are half way to 8-8 with a last place schedule while last years playoff contenders will face opposition that finished with better records last season outside of those games decided by divisional rotation.

I can see them finishing ~9-7 if they get some breaks along the way.

I completely missed that you said you give them a pass on the QB spot.

Sorry about that, I need to read slower.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 12:59 PM
Kiper: Houston Texans: A- (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10901684/2014-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-grades-draft-class-every-nfl-team)

Top needs: QB, OLB, RT, DE

Needs: A-
Value: A-

Summary: The Texans drafted a generational talent in Jadeveon Clowney, safely the top prospect in the entire draft, and somehow the focus was on what they would do at quarterback. Swing a trade? Draft another Carr? Well, they did end up getting a potential starter in Tom Savage, and I liked the value -- they grabbed Savage in Round 4 when I wouldn't have been surprised to see him go a round earlier. Make no mistake: Savage is no short-term savior. But the potential is there. The Texans got stronger in the trenches. Xavier Su'a-Filo is the best guard in the draft, and not only is C.J. Fiedorowicz an underrated athlete at tight end, he can actually block somebody, which isn't common in this tight end class. On defense, Louis Nix III is a steal at No. 83 if he's in decent shape, and with him, J.J. Watt and Clowney around, the Texans look awfully versatile up front. Jay Prosch is a bruiser at fullback, and I think Andre Hal could be a decent depth addition at CB soon. The Texans really could have gone a few different directions with that No. 1 pick and justified it. But they put aside questions of scheme, need, and everything else and simply took a potentially great player. I did think they could add a tackle, but Su'a-Filo makes them better up front, and will help the run game. if Nix and Savage pan out, this could be a great class.

2014 draft picks
Rd Pk Pos Player College
(1) 1 DE Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina
(2) 33 G Xavier Su'a-Filo UCLA
(3) 65 TE C.J. Fiedorowicz Iowa
(3) 83 DT Louis Nix III Notre Dame
(4) 135 QB Tom Savage Pittsburgh
(6) 177 DE Jeoffrey Pagan Alabama
(6) 181 RB Alfred Blue LSU
(6) 211 FB Jay Prosch Auburn
(7) 216 CB Andre Hal Vanderbilt
(7) 256 S Lonnie Ballentine Memphis
McShay's favorite picks of 2014 draft (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10913380/2014-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-identifies-favorite-draft-pick-team)
Houston Texans
Rd. 1 (1): Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

The Texans put together a good draft, and while there were a few different picks that merit consideration, I had to go with the No. 1 pick. Houston made the right decision in taking Clowney first overall. He is the best and most talented player in this class, and the Texans will make him fit in Romeo Crennel's scheme, taking advantage of his excellent pass-rushing ability and physical tools (including wide receiver-like straight-line speed). He's got a chance to be a superstar in the NFL.
Most improved teams from each division (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10916445/2014-nfl-draft-teams-improved-most-based-their-draft-classes)
AFC South: Houston Texans

The Texans want to be a physical football team, and that was evident with several of the team's picks. Second-round guard Xavier Su'a-Filo is a tone-setter, third-round tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz should contribute early as a complement to Garrett Graham, and if third-round nose tackle Louis Nix III plays in the NFL like he did his 2012 season at Notre Dame, he's a steal, because he's a perfect fit in Romeo Crennel's system. If anyone can take fourth-round quarterback Tom Savage's raw talent and mold him into a successful NFL quarterback, it's coach Bill O'Brien. And, most important, the Texans also came away with the No. 1 player in this draft in Jadeveon Clowney, who should have an immediate impact as a pass-rusher his rookie season. When he gets one-on-one matchups, look out.
Pete Prisco B-plus (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/24557993/grades-lots-of-as-and-no-fs-much-to-like-in-2014-nfl-draft)
Houston Texans: Taking Jadeveon Clowney was a no-brainer with the top pick, but why wait to take a quarterback until the fourth? They did a nice job picking players for the defensive line.

Uncle Rico
05-11-2014, 01:01 PM
Only thing I disliked about this draft was the reach at TE with the 3rd pick. If you wanted a blocker why not draft that Moses kid and stick him on the right side? TE's are very easy to find in this league.

B+ draft.

nytexan
05-11-2014, 01:01 PM
Solid B. I like the direction they're heading in. Big and strong. First 4 picks get an A from me. Afterward although I hope Savage works out, I don't see anything in his game that makes me think he'll be anything other than a typical late 4 early 5 round backup QB.
I would have rather have an R-OT or an ILB in that spot. Pagan and Prosch will decide if this was a really good draft or not. I still think their QB of the future is in next years draft. I would have picked several other RB's than Blue in that spot also. I hope I'm wrong on him.

infantrycak
05-11-2014, 01:02 PM
Only thing I disliked about this draft was the reach at TE with the 3rd pick. If you wanted a blocker why not draft that Moses kid and stick him on the right side? TE's are very easy to find in this league.

B+ draft.

You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 04:18 PM
You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.

Correct. Richard Rodgers and Crockett Gilmore were pressed up into the end of the 3rd, as TE was light on depth and high on team's needs.

Getting the TE they liked, the trade up to get Nix, and still getting their developmental QB 47 picks later was pretty masterfully played imo.

Texaninlild
05-11-2014, 04:32 PM
Anyone notice the C the chron readers are giving the draft? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 04:42 PM
Anyone notice the C the chron readers are giving the draft?

Pretty sure that's a reader's poll. Manziel supporters handing out "F" grades. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

beerlover
05-11-2014, 04:54 PM
You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.

no doubt CJ will be the best TE in Texan history, Kubiak to his credit seemed to get by with 4th rd. picks with great success. O'Brian treasures TE position. blocking is a huge plus but he will surprise you with his ability to pluck the ball & bull ahead for important conversions & touchdowns. I don't blame the average fan, especially those who don't follow College Football. If I where to compare him to an NFL player you might be more familiar with how about Pittsburgh Steeler Heath Miller, selected in the 1st rd. 30th overall in 2005. Two time Pro-Bowler, 40TD's & 5,279 yards while being primarily Big Ben's pass blocker.

gary
05-11-2014, 05:09 PM
I do not grade drafts.

HJam72
05-11-2014, 05:17 PM
I give this draft an F-.

We needed a franchise QB and there wasn't one worthy, so I give THE 2014 DRAFT an F-. :strangle:

I didn't actually vote, though.

beerlover
05-11-2014, 06:39 PM
NE seemed to like LSU backs it seems , Kevin Faulk and Steven Ridley as examples .

good point I never considered. just focused on player with most upside or highest ceiling, which in this case I feel there where better prospects. Do like his size, this whole bigger, stronger thing is kinda catchy, lol :dangit:

beerlover
05-11-2014, 06:41 PM
I do not grade drafts.

Mike Mayock is that you?

seriously his mock draft was the worst. his evaluation overall was bad. I don't think he SHOULD grade drafts. Because, its just for fun & he has no fun doing it :smooch:

phantom17
05-11-2014, 08:04 PM
I give a solid A grade! This guys are a bunch of big, tough, smart, hard nose, & most of all OB type guys! Even, some NFL announcers thought we got bigger on both sides! Think "super sized"!:swatter::fans:

Seegara
05-11-2014, 08:59 PM
I thought it was a pretty good draft and I gave it a B because many top needs were addressed. I thought they should have got a higher rated QB and another good offensive lineman instead of focusing so much on defensive tackles and ends.

It remains to be seen whether the free agent draft can cover some of the weak spots.

thunderkyss
05-11-2014, 09:17 PM
What is almost always the case why people transfer is they weren't good enough to get the playing time they want. Jevan Snead, Garrett Gilbert and Storm Johnson are recent player transfers many folks can identify with.There are rare exceptions where a player graduates and can transfer w/o having to wait a year, as was the case w/ Russell Wilson.

Yeah, what he said.

Tom should've sucked it up & stayed on the bench while other more talented prospects played. Like that other Tom, maybe he would have got to play as a senior, get drafted in the sixth round & go on to become one of the greatest to play the game.



Evah!!

thunderkyss
05-11-2014, 09:27 PM
4) Savage - B+

Would've preferred Garoppolo here, as I mentioned, but I was higher on Savage than most and getting him in the bottom of the 4th is good value. Let him sit for the season and see how things shake out draft-wise in 2015 (and because Savage is a late-4th pick, we aren't chained to him if a guy like Hundley or Mariota somehow fall to us). Good pick.


& I would have preferred Sammy Watkins, but the guy was gone. Can't blame our staff because someone picked the guy you preferred earlier.

You gave him a 4th round grade, we got him at the bottom of the 4th... I don't follow your logic.

thunderkyss
05-11-2014, 09:37 PM
I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away.

I can see where you're coming from. But I give Fiedo a higher grade than C... I wasn't in love with any TE in this draft, because the only ones they talked about were in the OD/GG mold & I wanted Gronk mold.

Of course I listen to you guys & the main stream media, so... I googled the crap out of him when we selected him & he's exactly what I wanted.

Nix... I think an athletic 330 lb man is more rare than a franchise QB. I'd be surprised if he weighs in at 330 or less when he reports to camp, or that he's got the want to & athletic ability to be the guy "we" want him to be. Which is why if we're going to go after a big boy such as this I'd rather do it much later in the draft, or some obscure FA trying to get a second chance. I think we may have wasted this pick all together.

Savage... we're just QB hungry & short of Logan Thomas in the 2nd I don't think RickyBobby could have screwed this up. All they had to do was resist the urge to reach. So regardless what we think about the player, I give them an A+ for not screwing it up.

Someone mentioned earlier that the goal should be 4 starters. I think that's extremely optimistic, especially if we're talking day 1. I think we got three day 1 starters & a couple of guys who may turn into starters by 2015.

I don't know if that's an A, A+, or a B- but I'm happier about this draft than I've been in a while & it seems I'm not alone.

Texan_Bill
05-11-2014, 09:41 PM
MEH!! Many of you "B" graders that I've known over the years............ are being contrarians. Y'all know it was a damn good draft! LOL!

Corrosion
05-11-2014, 09:49 PM
MEH!! Many of you "B" graders that I've known over the years............ are being contrarians. Y'all know it was a damn good draft! LOL!

I gave it an A .... the haul that they came out of the first two days with , no one could have expected going in as Nix was graded as a mid first rounder by most , SuaFilo was thought to be the first guard off the board from the mid first to the tail end of the round. Walking way from day two with those three and a big all around TE .... I'd have told you it would be impossible without trading away future picks..

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 10:08 PM
Houston Texans (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47170/174/nfl-draft-grades)

1. Jadeveon Clowney, linebacker/end, South Carolina.
33. Xavier Su'a-Filo, guard/tackle, UCLA.
65. C.J. Fiedorowicz, tight end, Iowa.
83. Louis Nix, nose tackle, Notre Dame.
135. Tom Savage, quarterback, Pittsburgh.
177. Jeoffrey Pagan, defensive end, Alabama.
181. Alfred Blue, running back, LSU.
211. Jay Prosch, fullback, Auburn.
216. Dre Hal, cornerback, Vanderbilt.
256. Lonnie Ballentine, safety, Memphis.

Overview: I realize it was just a sixth-round blip on the radar, but the Texans' selection of Auburn lead-blocker Prosch is a strong indication of how this team plans to play until rookie coach Bill O'Brien finds a legitimate quarterback: Houston is going to run the ball with volume and play stout defense. Almost every pick here suits that philosophy. A freakazoid outside pass rusher in Clowney. A two-down toilet clogger in Nix. A hammerhead, lane-clearing fullback in Prosch. A pro-ready blocking tight end in Fiedorowicz. A high-ceiling left guard in Su'a-Filo. Running back depth with Blue. Even Mr. Irrelevant Ballantine is a toolsy safety with starting-caliber measurables. I appreciate teams that pick a defined way to play and make moves in coherent fashion, designing their roster with a purposeful goal in mind. When O'Brien finally finds his signal caller -- and I wouldn't completely rule out big-armed Savage becoming that guy -- this team will ascend quickly.

Grade: A

michaelm
05-12-2014, 10:13 AM
I see four day-one starters in this group, plus Prosch, who should be FB1. A lot of that reflects on the lack of talent on the roster, but a lot of it is due to the talent that these players bring to the team. I can't see how this draft is not an A.

Hardcore Texan
05-12-2014, 11:37 AM
No OL? We drafted Su'a-Filo in the 2nd round. Perhaps you meant OT? I think we have an open competition at RT between Newton and 2 of our O-Line picks last year (David Quessenberry and Brennan Williams). I would be surprised if Newton wins that competition.

LT - Brown
LG - Su'a-Filo
C - Myers
RG - Brooks
RT - Quess / Williams / Newton

Yeah, I meant OT/RT.

Put down the bong you've had to much today.

How did you know, what gave it away?:peek:

maddogmrb
05-12-2014, 01:35 PM
C.

Clowney ... okay, why did the 2nd coming of godzilla only have 3 ... (three) ... 3 ... (three) ... did I say "3" .... sacks last year? If he's truly that great even being double and triple teamed there should have been much more production there. Heck, for all his hype, he should've had 3 sacks in one half of at least ONE game!

I believe the 2 best picks are the UCLA guard and Nix is a good value at his place in the draft.

I have a question ... DID ANYONE TELL THE TEXANS WE NEED AN OT?????

badboy
05-12-2014, 02:02 PM
C.

Clowney ... okay, why did the 2nd coming of godzilla only have 3 ... (three) ... 3 ... (three) ... did I say "3" .... sacks last year? If he's truly that great even being double and triple teamed there should have been much more production there. Heck, for all his hype, he should've had 3 sacks in one half of at least ONE game!

I believe the 2 best picks are the UCLA guard and Nix is a good value at his place in the draft.

I have a question ... DID ANYONE TELL THE TEXANS WE NEED AN OT?????We don't need tackle evidently; Quess will play RT and don't count out a healthy Newton.

Kubiak said the Texans expected Quessenberry to be drafted shortly after Williams went in the third round. When he was still there in the sixth, general manager Rick Smith decided to trade up eight spots to get him.

Newton, a seventh-round pick from Arkansas State in 2011, started last season after playing sparingly as a rookie. The Texans also finished 2012 with two rookies rotating at right guard in Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks.

We played rookies on the right side the majority of the year, Kubiak said. That was a big growing situation for us as a football team. I thought Newt did some really good things; hes gonna be a fine player. Unfortunately gets hurt late in the season and played hurt for us; giving him a lot of credit for that. We gotta get him back. Its gonna be training camp before hes healthy.

The biggest thing you can do when youve got young players is give them reps. If they prove they can go in there and do it right off the get-go, that makes us a better team, so well see.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/T-Derek-Newton-expected-to-be-out-until-training-camp/5bae8afe-d417-4e70-beb8-e0579694d0db

b0ng
05-12-2014, 02:25 PM
I am not really enthralled with this draft. Clowney was a good pick, but I feel like if they had traded up into the bottom of the 1st round for Teddy it would've been a real knockout. I do not like the Fiedorowicz or the Savage picks, and those were fairly high. Clowney, Nix and Hal were the real winning picks for me, and I like XSF but I would've liked to have had Bridgewater more. I also would've taken Murray before Savage because I really like Murray's tape (injury notwithstanding).

So yeah, I voted C. Couple of picks I liked, couple of picks I did not like, and then some guys that need more reading up on.

Dread-Head
05-12-2014, 02:49 PM
If we're celebrating a Superbowl win in February I'll say an A, but for NOW I'll say B. What's pissing me off is this year ALL 32 teams passed up two dynamic homegrown talents which would have improved their rosters by leaps and bounds. (Sigh) I guess me and Bill have to wait until NEXT year. Sorry Bill.

:texanbill: :dread:

BigBull17
05-14-2014, 12:45 PM
To me it seems that before everyone had a board. Rick had his, Gary had his, and Wade had a 3rd board and they didn't interlace it into one cohesive board. This time it feels like they all had an agreement and stuck with it. Finally have one leader and not an offensive and defensive coordinator.

The Pencil Neck
05-14-2014, 01:51 PM
To me it seems that before everyone had a board. Rick had his, Gary had his, and Wade had a 3rd board and they didn't interlace it into one cohesive board. This time it feels like they all had an agreement and stuck with it. Finally have one leader and not an offensive and defensive coordinator.

What's always killed me with previous drafts was that most of the guys that they drafted were guys that weren't on my radar. Like... at all.

And that was OK. I would take a look at each pick, study it a bit, and comprehend the logic for the most part and get behind the pick.

This draft felt very different, more like the JJ Watt draft, where they were drafting at least the positions I expected them to draft but this time, they were also drafting GUYS that were on my radar, on my radar even though I didn't think we'd get them.

I didn't expect Sua'Filo or Nix to make it out of the first round. So, for me, getting Clowney, Sua'Filo, and Nix makes it feel like I got 3 first round picks. Savage had me worried. I was afraid we'd pick him in the 2nd and I didn't want him in the 2nd. In the 4th? Yeah. I'm good with that. And Fiedorowicz was another guy that was on my radar but I didn't expect us to draft. I was aware of Pagan because I'd seen him on some of the mock drafts and I even think I picked him once in the Mock Simulator.

I had Andre Hal on my list of prospects for the TT Mock and if I'd had another later round pick, I might have selected him.

AND I DID pick Chris Boswell (who we got as a UDFA) for the Titans.

It may not matter and this draft may go down as the worst ever, but at this point, I feel great about it because I know these guys and they drafted the positions I'd hoped and expected they would

Lord Bills
05-14-2014, 03:26 PM
QB is the most important position on the team.

it was our most glaring weakness.

yet we wait until the 4th round to get a qb who most likely will be a career back up.

if clowney fails or is mediocre and if any of the QBs who got drafted earlier than tom savage become great,

this grade will become an F.

right now everything hinges on clowney getting at least 10 sacks and being a consistent disruptor. anything less and this draft is a failure unless all the other picks become great which i doubt.

even the nix pick everyone is so in love about is suspect. from what ive seen i dont understand how they could have drafted him so high. even in his highlight videos he didnt seem to do much.

DBCooper
05-14-2014, 03:35 PM
right now everything hinges on clowney getting at least 10 sacks and being a consistent disruptor. anything less and this draft is a failure unless all the other picks become great which i doubt.

even the nix pick everyone is so in love about is suspect. from what ive seen i dont understand how they could have drafted him so high. even in his highlight videos he didnt seem to do much.

That's why you're not an NFL scout.

Lord Bills
05-14-2014, 03:36 PM
That's why you're not an NFL scout.

and you are?

DBCooper
05-14-2014, 03:38 PM
and you are?

Maybe......

Lord Bills
05-14-2014, 03:39 PM
Maybe......

maybe try harder next time.

DBCooper
05-14-2014, 03:48 PM
maybe try harder next time.

Making fun of your player analysis?

Nah, that comes naturally.

Lord Bills
05-14-2014, 03:55 PM
Making fun of your player analysis?

Nah, that comes naturally.

good job.

good effort.

drs23
05-14-2014, 05:03 PM
QB is the most important position on the team.

it was our most glaring weakness.

yet we wait until the 4th round to get a qb who most likely will be a career back up.

if clowney fails or is mediocre and if any of the QBs who got drafted earlier than tom savage become great,

this grade will become an F.

right now everything hinges on clowney getting at least 10 sacks and being a consistent disruptor. anything less and this draft is a failure unless all the other picks become great which i doubt.

even the nix pick everyone is so in love about is suspect. from what ive seen i dont understand how they could have drafted him so high. even in his highlight videos he didnt seem to do much.

What happens when Bill O'Brien proves he knows how to cipher future potential and Savage ends up being the best of the bunch? Not saying it will happen but it has as good a chance as any of the others. Many, if not most, were pointing out leading up to the draft that there just wasn't a stark degree of separation between any of the prospects this draft.

I wasn't so sure about Clowney either. I guess I bought into the "slacker" label. I wanted K. Mack. Personally, I can't wait to be proven wrong and fire up the pit for my serving of crow.

I feel like a few others that have posted that we potentially got 3 first rounders at the top of this draft. I believe the FO did a remarkable job. I don't see any way it in the end will be deemed to have earned an "F".

Looks like you're well on your way to being back in the red. Again. Congrats to ya. :shades:

LikeMike
05-14-2014, 05:36 PM
Not a grade but Walterfootball has given out the draft awards and we`ve won best second day pick (Nix), best trade (Nix) and best draft class. Here is what they had to say:

" Best Draft Class: Houston Texans
Teams picking early have an advantage, but Houston was able to come away with a draft class that is going to pay off immediately and should vault the franchise to new heights in years to come. The Texans did the smart thing and took the draft's best player in Jadeveon Clowney. He could end up being an NFL legend.

In the second round, Houston landed the best guard in the 2014 NFL Draft, Xavier Su'a-Filo. He should make an immediate impact in reestablishing the Texans' ground game. Along the same lines, Houston landed the best Y tight end in the 2014 NFL Draft in C.J. Fiedorowicz. He's best as a blocker, but has surprising quickness and athleticism. Fiedorowicz will play as a rookie as well.

Louis Nix, as documented above, was one of the best moves in the 2014 NFL Draft. He'll be the starting nose tackle and should really help keep blockers away from J.J. Watt, Jadeveon Clowney and Brian Cushing.

At the end of the fourth round, Houston was able to land the quarterback it were considering on Day 2, Tom Savage. The big-armed pocket-passer is a perfect developmental signal-caller for Bill O'Brien to work with. Savage has the skill set to be a starter in the NFL.

The Texans continued to add some contributors in the late rounds of the 2014 NFL Draft. Defensive end Jeoffrey Pagan will be in position to compete for playing time as a five-technique defensive end as a rookie. Later in the sixth round, Houston landed a starting fullback in Jay Prosch. The devastating blocker was huge for Auburn in 2013. Arian Foster will love having Prosch in front of him.

The Texans also landed a rotational back and special teams star in Alfred Blue. Seventh-round cornerback Andre Hal was a steal and could compete at nickel for Houston. Even Mr. Irrelevant, Memphis safety Lonnie Ballentine, could make the roster. He has a real combination of size and speed. Ballentine could have gone much earlier.

At the end of the day, Houston at least five starters. If Savage turns into a steal and Clowney becomes what he's capable of, this could be a draft class of the ages. "

Playoffs
05-18-2014, 03:45 PM
30+ year NFL scout Greg Gabriel's take: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Draft-Review-AFC-South.html
The Texans led off the draft with defensive end/outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney. There is no denying Clowneys talent. He has the ability to be the best defensive player to come into the league in years. He did not play like that type of player in 2013 and that has to be concerning. Being paired with a veteran like J.J. Watt should help Clowney with his game preparation. If he plays up to his talent level, he has Pro Bowl written all over him.

Second round pick Xavier Sua-Filo has the versatility to play guard or tackle. He is better suited to play guard, and thats where the Texans will start him out. I expect him to be a starter come opening day.

The Texans had two third round picks and, in my opinion, got tremendous value with both selections. C.J. Fiedorowicz is a huge tight end who can play both as a Y or flexed out. He has excellent hands, is a very good route runner, and one of the better blocking tight ends in this draft. Notre Dame nose tackle Louis Nix was a steal. Many felt he was a late first rounder. Why he fell, I dont know, but he is a prototypical NFL nose tackle who will start from day one for the Texans.

Pitts Tom Savage has the physical traits to be a very good NFL quarterback. He is big, with quick feet, has a very quick release, and spins the ball very well. Having been a double transfer in college he does not have a lot of playing time. Looking at tape, I felt he lacked top instincts and a good feel for the passing game. Still, the talent is there, but he needs some time to develop. If he is given that time, he can become a winning NFL QB.

Jeoffrey Pagan is a rotational five-technique. Jay Prosch was one of the best pure fullbacks in the draft, and Alfred Blue has the talent to be a solid NFL backup running back.

badboy
05-18-2014, 08:38 PM
Impressive draft now need some impressive coaching and then some impressive play. Game on!

DocBar
05-19-2014, 06:26 PM
I wasn't a big Clowney supporter, but the kid has come in and said/done all the right things. I really can't find any holes in this draft, yet.

I think Blue or Nix will be the the steal of the draft.

Hopefully I feel this good about this draft class in 3 years.

DocBar
05-19-2014, 09:10 PM
Impressive draft now need some impressive coaching and then some impressive play. Game on!I've been a bit put off by the rah-rah college stuff but, for some reason, I think BO'B is gonna pull this off. I really like the reports I hear of his no nonsense, straight forward way of coaching. He also seems to be able to blend the rah-rah, team first stuff in with being approachable, flexible and willing to fit his "system" to a player that has talent. Or at least he talks a good fight about doing all of that. The proof will be in the W-L pudding.

badboy
05-19-2014, 11:09 PM
right now I want to see better play and wins will come but I am in minority that sloppy wins are not what I want to see.

DocBar
05-19-2014, 11:18 PM
right now I want to see better play and wins will come but I am in minority that sloppy wins are not what I want to see.Why are you in the minority? The Texans lost 7 games by one score or less.

Exascor
05-20-2014, 10:10 AM
right now I want to see better play and wins will come but I am in minority that sloppy wins are not what I want to see.

Sloppy wins are better than well played losses.

thunderkyss
05-20-2014, 07:26 PM
Sloppy wins are better than well played losses.

Only if you're extremely short sighted.


Strive for perfection to achieve greatness.

TheFantasyGreek
05-29-2014, 11:59 AM
I liked some of the Texans draft picks and didn't like a few others. But after reading this article http://thefantasygreek.com/houston-texans-2014-draft-picks-building-a-winner/ that analyzes the picks, feel much better about what brain trust is doing in Houston. What are your thoughts? Post them here.

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 12:42 PM
Everything teams do is taking a step to build a winner.

The key is hoping some of those steps dont crumble and fall making it impossible for you to reach the top ;)

drs23
05-29-2014, 12:42 PM
Brandy new join date. First post linking to a website, assuming yours?

Is this just a hit generator for your website?

Just axin'...:peek:

kingtexan
05-29-2014, 12:52 PM
delete is a good button ...

PapaL
05-29-2014, 01:07 PM
Brandy new join date. First post linking to a website, assuming yours?

Is this just a hit generator for your website?

Just axin'...:peek:

For an answer to your question, please check out http://thefantasygreek.com/answers.html

Thorn
05-29-2014, 01:10 PM
For an answer to your question, please check out http://thefantasygreek.com/answers.html

linky no workie

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 01:21 PM
:logo:

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 01:23 PM
come on guys you are ruining my awesome analogy on the 2nd post of the page :kitten:

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 01:23 PM
McClain: How will the Texans use their draft choices? (video) (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/05/mcclain-how-will-the-texans-use-their-draft-choices-video/#23724101=0)

Just like me, Johnny McC has a face for radio. :mariopalm:



***warning, McClain on video in link***

PapaL
05-29-2014, 01:32 PM
linky no workie

:mariopalm:

Did you try: http://thefantasygreek.com/Not_A_Real_Link

:barman:

michaelm
05-29-2014, 02:26 PM
:mariopalm:

Did you try: http://thefantasygreek.com/Not_A_Real_Link

:barman:

The humor in your post comes across better if I look at your avatar directly after reading it.

Thorn
05-29-2014, 02:34 PM
I clicked on that before actually reading it. I really should get out of that habit.

Fred
05-29-2014, 02:39 PM
Brandy new join date. First post linking to a website, assuming yours?

Is this just a hit generator for your website?

Just axin'...:peek:

TheFantasyGreek feels better about the Texans draft after reading what he wrote on his own website. Brillant!!!

The Pencil Neck
05-29-2014, 02:47 PM
I clicked on that before actually reading it. I really should get out of that habit.

What kills me is that I clicked it KNOWING it was a video of John McClain.

If it had been a surprise, I could have at least acted outraged. But. No. I clicked into that with my eyes open, so to speak.

:vincepalm:

EDIT: Oh, wait. Are you talking about a different video?

Thorn
05-29-2014, 02:52 PM
EDIT: Oh, wait. Are you talking about a different video?

Don't click on this link.

http://thefantasygreek.com/Not_A_Real_Link

Playoffs
07-23-2014, 02:07 PM
Rival coach: Texans handled draft right (http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/6459/rival-coach-texans-handled-draft-right?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

“They did the right thing,” one rival NFL head coach said during the offseason. "Any of those quarterbacks would have been a reach at No. 1. This kid [Clowney] has the ability to have a Jevon Kearse-type rookie year getting after the quarterback."

Kearse had 14 1/2 sacks as a rookie for the Tennessee Titans in 1999. Never mind that Kearse never again had that many sacks in an NFL season. Clowney can worry about his encore performance once his rookie year is done. He is well positioned to be a top pass rusher from the moment he steps on the field to open the 2014 season.

He has a unique combination of size, power and speed. He received pre-draft criticism from some analysts for, they said, not being consistent and not being fundamentally sound in all of his techniques. But some of those criticisms perhaps were overstated, with Clowney under intense scrutiny as the player who almost certainly would have been the top overall pick in the 2013 draft if he had been available.

htownfan32
07-23-2014, 02:09 PM
In retrospect I do believe Clowney was the right move at 1-1, but I still think that our coaching staff underestimated Bridgewater and should have moved up a bit to snatch him at 1-32.

disaacks3
07-23-2014, 02:10 PM
Rival coach: Texans handled draft right (http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/6459/rival-coach-texans-handled-draft-right?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

They did the right thing, one rival NFL head coach said during the offseason. "Any of those quarterbacks would have been a reach at No. 1. Agreed, but what about @ 31? :kitten: