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Playoffs
05-10-2014, 05:32 PM
ANDRE HAL | Vanderbilt 5103|188 lbs|4SR 5/30/1992 (age 21)

MEASUREABLES Arm: 30 1/2 | Hand: 08 5/8 | Wingspan: 74 1/8

COMBINE 40-YD: 4.53 | 10-YD: 1.57 | BP: 15 | VJ: 35 1/2 | BJ: 09’11” | SS: 4.27 | 3C: 7.14

STRENGTHS: Balanced athlete with quick, coordinated feet to click-and-close in a hurry…smooth hips and transitional quickness…good feel in single coverage and understands how to use the sideline to his advantage…good vision and anticipation with trained eye use to quickly find the ball…nice job elevating to play the ball with timing and confidence…fierce tackler for his size and takes proper angles in run support…good play speed and won’t play tentative…excellent competitive nature with the ball is in the air…high effort on the field and off with strong leadership traits – known as a film junkie…experienced KR, averaging 23.1 yards per return with one career ST score…two-year starter (26 career starts) with 37 passes defended, earning Second Team All-SEC honors the past two seasons.

WEAKNESSES: Average-at-best size with shorter arms and smaller hands…too easily eliminated by blockers and will be out-matched vs. bigger WRs…lacks the power to consistently finish, too often sliding off the ballcarrier and struggling to break down in space – will be trucked by aggressive ballcarriers…lacks ideal speed and struggles to recover after a false step…will get his hips turned and needs to do a better job controlling his momentum and anticipating route paths…needs to improve his body position to better make plays on the ball, going through targets with too much hands-on contact…gets caught with his eyes stuck in the backfield too long, causing him to be late to react to his man…mostly off-coverage in college and wasn’t asked to jam at the LOS.

SUMMARY: A three-star CB recruit, Andre “Dre” Hal committed to Vanderbilt prior to his senior year in high school, choosing the Commodores over Nebraska and Louisiana Tech. He provided depth behind Casey Hayward as a freshman and sophomore, spending most of his time on special teams at KR. Hal became a full-time starter in 2012 as a junior, taking over for Hayward, and set career-bests in 2013 as a senior with 49 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, 18 passes defended and three interceptions, earning Second Team All-SEC honors the past two seasons. Hal lacks imposing size or length for the position, something that shows up in run support and in coverage when pushed around by more physical receivers. It’s easy to appreciate his aggressive, competitive nature when the ball is in the air, showing very good sideline and overall field awareness, but he needs to improve his eye discipline to keep track of his man while also keeping tabs on the quarterback. Hal lacks the physical traits to be a consistent NFL starter, but his tough, confident approach to the game should keep him on a roster and allow him to help in dime situations – third day draft pick who has depth written all over him.

pappy
05-10-2014, 05:32 PM
finally

Thorn
05-10-2014, 05:33 PM
Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Balanced athlete with quick, coordinated feet to click-and-close in a hurry. Smooth hips and transitional quickness. Good feel in single coverage and understands how to use the sideline to his advantage. Good vision and anticipation with trained eye use to quickly find the ball. Nice job elevating to play the ball with timing and confidence. Fierce tackler for his size and takes proper angles in run support. Good play speed and won?t play tentative. Excellent competitive nature with the ball is in the air. High effort on the field and off with strong leadership traits. Known as a film junkie. Experienced kick returner, averaging 23.1 yards per return with one career special teams score. Two-year starter (26 career starts) with 37 passes defended, earning Second Team All-SEC honors the past two seasons.WEAKNESSES: Average-at-best size with shorter arms and smaller hands. Too easily eliminated by blockers and will be out-matched vs. bigger receivers. Lacks the power to consistently finish, too often sliding off the ballcarrier and struggling to break down in space. Will be trucked by aggressive ballcarriers. Lacks ideal speed and struggles to recover after a false step. Will get his hips turned and needs to do a better job controlling his momentum and anticipating route paths. Needs to improve his body position to better make plays on the ball, going through targets with too much hands-on contact. Gets caught with his eyes stuck in the backfield too long, causing him to be late to react to his man. Mostly off-coverage in college and wasn?t asked to jam at the line of scrimmage.--Dane Brugler


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737698/andre-hal

rmartin65
05-10-2014, 05:34 PM
Never heard of him, but the guy at BRB likes him- http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/17/5623640/the-film-room-why-vanderbilts-andre-hal-is-the-best-corner-in-the

Scooter
05-10-2014, 05:34 PM
developmental nickel corner with return ability.

Thorn
05-10-2014, 05:34 PM
Kick returner and a CB and supposedly a fierce player. Sounds good for the 7th round.

Dash
05-10-2014, 05:38 PM
The Film Room: Why Vanderbilt's Andre Hal Is The Best Corner In The 2014 NFL Draft

http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/17/5623640/the-film-room-why-vanderbilts-andre-hal-is-the-best-corner-in-the

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 05:41 PM
Looks like a nickely guy and returner.

Good speed, not afraid to come up and hit someone...Which is something Brice McCain's soft ass would never do.

76Texan
05-10-2014, 05:42 PM
Thoughts?

As long as he doesn't have to line up against Mike Evans and the likes, he'll be fine.

LOL

281
05-10-2014, 05:45 PM
http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/17/5623640/the-film-room-why-vanderbilts-andre-hal-is-the-best-corner-in-the

We may have gotten a steal...

The Pencil Neck
05-10-2014, 05:47 PM
http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/17/5623640/the-film-room-why-vanderbilts-andre-hal-is-the-best-corner-in-the

We may have gotten a steal...

Yeah, these guys LURV him. I mean, seriously.

Hopefully, he's as good as they think he is.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 05:48 PM
Oops, did not mean to post this when another topic popped up ahead of it. Mods, please delete/merge.

CloakNNNdagger
05-10-2014, 05:58 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737698/andre-hal

Boy, his "weaknesses" are exactly what you WOULDN'T be looking for in a CB these days........not even as a nickle. Hope he's assigned ST return status.

Goldensilence
05-10-2014, 06:08 PM
Sounds like tail end cb, but prolly more interested in KR duties for him.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 06:18 PM
Boy, his "weaknesses" are exactly what you WOULDN'T be looking for in a CB these days........not even as a nickle. Hope he's assigned ST return status.

Don't sell him short. This kid can ball. Great value here.

Thorn
05-10-2014, 06:20 PM
Boy, his "weaknesses" are exactly what you WOULDN'T be looking for in a CB these days........not even as a nickle. Hope he's assigned ST return status.

Yeah, I'm not sure about this one unless he likes the kick returning abilities of the guy. But whatever. He's a Texan now.

infantrycak
05-10-2014, 07:49 PM
Belated poll.

TheRealJoker
05-10-2014, 08:01 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about this one unless he likes the kick returning abilities of the guy. But whatever. He's a Texan now.

Can't get too mad at a 7th round pick. They all have their warts.

This guy is a competitor and he managed to lock down Moncrief this season. The 3rd round pick the Colts drafted.

Seegara
05-10-2014, 08:51 PM
Don't know much about him but from what is written, C+ grade.

beerlover
05-10-2014, 08:58 PM
Know this prospect well, 1st team all sec CB. Professional approach, no nonsense but is athletically limited which you would expect in the 7th. Good kid, know he will give it his best shot to make the roster should be fighting for a spot if he can stay healthy.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 09:19 PM
Belated poll.

Thanks.

WolverineFan
05-11-2014, 11:56 AM
I like Hal, but thought we should have gone in a different direction here. Hal is strictly a slot CB and has very limited upside. He'll probably stick on the roster as the 5th CB though.

I wanted Kendall James personally, but the Vikings took him in the 6th.

xtruroyaltyx
05-11-2014, 02:38 PM
I know a lot if people don't like Brandon Harris, but I like him and I think he has a good chance to be the slot corner on this team.

I think we have some talent that wasn't properly used and I'm hoping that the new staff is smarter than the old one.

Playoffs
05-12-2014, 12:38 AM
John Harris highlighted Hal's game against 6'2.5" WR Donte Moncrief...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4aUfnJ7xc

He loves the kid.

xtruroyaltyx
05-12-2014, 10:32 AM
John Harris highlighted Hal's game against 6'2.5" WR Donte Moncrief...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4aUfnJ7xc

He loves the kid.

He's going to be an upgrade over McCain at some point.

Looks like he's going to struggle some in coverage too. But I don't know if that's the technique his team had him playing or what. But he looks a little flat footed when the receiver gets even with him. Gets a little handsy too..That's going to be called in the NFL.

But it looks like he was playing that ragedy ass shuffle technique instead of the more standard back peddle which would explain a lot.

But he looks like a baller. Will come up and make a stick. Not afraid to throw his body around. Looks competitive out there.

I'd look for him to be a special teams guy initially with a slim chance of playing time

Brett
05-12-2014, 11:04 PM
He's going to be an upgrade over McCain at some point.

Looks like he's going to struggle some in coverage too. But I don't know if that's the technique his team had him playing or what. But he looks a little flat footed when the receiver gets even with him. Gets a little handsy too..That's going to be called in the NFL.

But it looks like he was playing that ragedy ass shuffle technique instead of the more standard back peddle which would explain a lot.

But he looks like a baller. Will come up and make a stick. Not afraid to throw his body around. Looks competitive out there.

I'd look for him to be a special teams guy initially with a slim chance of playing time

Er...Hal is one of the better pedal/t-step/close corners in this draft class. He's not a shuffle corner, and it's a crime he was even there in the 7th.

DocBar
05-12-2014, 11:31 PM
Er...Hal is one of the better pedal/t-step/close corners in this draft class. He's not a shuffle corner, and it's a crime he was even there in the 7th.Your last name isn't Hal, is it? :kitten:

kiwitexansfan
05-12-2014, 11:34 PM
Looks like he was a bit susceptible to a double move, unless he was happy releasing Moncrief to a deep safety.

Otherwise he looks pretty solid, seems to have good awareness and breaks well to the ball.

Might be a touch tackling adverse.

badboy
05-12-2014, 11:54 PM
The Film Room: Why Vanderbilt's Andre Hal Is The Best Corner In The 2014 NFL Draft

http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/17/5623640/the-film-room-why-vanderbilts-andre-hal-is-the-best-corner-in-theThis guy says Hal has good eye discipline and the evaluation in posts above says the opposite, interesting. He can join the others trying to get reps.

kiwitexansfan
05-13-2014, 12:17 AM
Read that article.

I agree with a lot of what he said and he has obviously done a lot more research than what I have.

I think without knowing if he was in man or zone on every play it's hard to judge accurately what a CB is doing.

His tackling though.... :overreact:

xtruroyaltyx
05-13-2014, 12:37 AM
Er...Hal is one of the better pedal/t-step/close corners in this draft class. He's not a shuffle corner, and it's a crime he was even there in the 7th.

I'm just going off what I saw in the clips I watched. He looked flat footed at times when the WR got even with him. He got a but handsy.

Just my observation. In the nfl if he doesnt clean that up hell get roasted. He benefited by some not so great throws too.

But I like him overall. Physical, battles. Doesn't give up on a play and will throw his body around and dive to make plays. Looks like s good athlete on film.

Just pointing out that he has some things to work in and clean up.

xtruroyaltyx
05-13-2014, 12:49 AM
Just read the article and the play(s) where he talks about Hal got beat...I saw a couple plays like that, but either the ball wasn't thrown at him or it wasn't thrown well.

I think he can be a good player, but he's going to have to clean up how he plays when the WR gets even with him/when the WR makes his move. Especially on this level as that is the point in which most guys get beat.

But like I said he battles and he does a good job fighting to make up any lost ground.

kiwitexansfan
05-13-2014, 01:01 AM
Just read the article and the play(s) where he talks about Hal got beat...I saw a couple plays like that, but either the ball wasn't thrown at him or it wasn't thrown well.

I think he can be a good player, but he's going to have to clean up how he plays when the WR gets even with him/when the WR makes his move. Especially on this level as that is the point in which most guys get beat.

But like I said he battles and he does a good job fighting to make up any lost ground.

Seems to make better plays on the ball than some of our past guys, even if he can't catch them.

b0ng
05-13-2014, 09:18 AM
I liked the video of him working against Moncrief a lot, especially since the Colts drafted Moncrief this year.

steelbtexan
05-13-2014, 10:57 AM
I'm a terrible judge of CB's. But I watched the Tennessee game in 2012 and Hal looked pretty good. I watched the Georgia game last yr and with all of Georgia's WR's hurt it seemed as though Hal regressed.

Anybody would be an upgrade over last yrs McCain. He appeared to be getting picked, (Seeing a lot of the backs of WR's jerseys and the only thing he was worse at was tackling a WR after the catch. Of which there were many.

EllisUnit
08-28-2014, 11:02 PM
If it looks like a CB, plays like a CB and for the most part covers like a CB then it must be a CB.

I like this kid, besides him getting beat one time tonight i have really liked what i have seen from this kid.

badboy
08-28-2014, 11:30 PM
If it looks like a CB, plays like a CB and for the most part covers like a CB then it must be a CB.

I like this kid, besides him getting beat one time tonight i have really liked what i have seen from this kid.He got beat for the long pass that got ball to about the ten then IIRC was beaten for the following TD. INT resulting in six points and giving up long gain that leads to 6 points pretty much a wash.

Texan in Japan
08-29-2014, 12:07 AM
He's a rookie. When's the last time we had a CB return to INTs for TDs? Believe it was the Steeler game back in the day by a guy named Aaron.

I like this kid, he's got a nose for the ball. He'll make mistakes, but heck he's a 7th RD pick!

badboy
08-29-2014, 12:43 AM
He's a rookie. When's the last time we had a CB return to INTs for TDs? Believe it was the Steeler game back in the day by a guy named Aaron.

I like this kid, he's got a nose for the ball. He'll make mistakes, but heck he's a 7th RD pick!Yep and he could end up as a starter as did Newton.

sandman
08-29-2014, 05:02 AM
He got beat for the long pass that got ball to about the ten then IIRC was beaten for the following TD. INT resulting in six points and giving up long gain that leads to 6 points pretty much a wash.

In a pass happy league where the rules are set to give DB's a distinct disadvantage, points are going to be scored. TD's will be allowed. Even on the great DB's because... rule changes.

But defensive takeaways AND TD's have been a rarity on this team. I personally feel that ability does more than just balance out giving up passing touchdowns. Especially one for one.

EllisUnit
08-29-2014, 07:27 AM
He got beat for the long pass that got ball to about the ten then IIRC was beaten for the following TD. INT resulting in six points and giving up long gain that leads to 6 points pretty much a wash.

i said he got beat once, but which CB hasn't, and he is a rookie. He has some raw talent i think could be molded into shut down talent.

Playoffs
08-29-2014, 08:11 PM
(on where Andre Hal is in the discussion to make the 53-man roster (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Bill-OBrien-press-conference/d93e88dc-d936-4c11-bc88-f60f41bc11ec)) “He has definitely earned the right to be in the discussion to make the team. He’s had two interceptions for touchdowns. He’s played well on special teams. He’s a rookie. He’s still got lot to learn but he’s got good size. He’s tough. I like the way he carries himself in the building. He’s a hard-working kid both in here in the meeting room and out on the field. He’s definitely earned the right to be in the discussion to make the football team.”


Good words from OB.

Texan in Japan
08-29-2014, 08:37 PM
Besides our top three corners, I think he deserves the #4 spot.

cstyle42
08-29-2014, 08:52 PM
Besides our top three corners, I think he deserves the #4 spot.

We need to move on from Brandon Harris.

thunderkyss
08-29-2014, 09:13 PM
I don't know why we drafted him. If a CB isn't tall & fast, I'd want him to be physical... a pitbull.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who have been successful at his size, just not my preference.

Playoffs
08-29-2014, 09:46 PM
I don't know why we drafted him. If a CB isn't tall & fast, I'd want him to be physical... a pitbull.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who have been successful at his size, just not my preference.

7 of top 15 overall rated CBs in 2013 (by PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/), >25% snaps) were 5'10" & under, and the top 4 coverage CBs were all under 6'0".

Not a bad flyer for a 7th round pick, imo.

thunderkyss
08-29-2014, 09:51 PM
7 of top 15 overall rated CBs in 2013 (by PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/), >25% snaps) were 5'10" & under, and the top 4 coverage CBs were all under 6'0".

Not a bad flyer for a 7th round pick, imo.

Are those 7 midgets tenacious pitbulls? If so, I'm good with that.

I didn't say I don't like short corners. I like Brandon Harris... I'm alone in that, but I like Brandon Harris.

badboy
08-29-2014, 10:00 PM
Are those 7 midgets tenacious pitbulls? If so, I'm good with that.

I didn't say I don't like short corners. I like Brandon Harris... I'm alone in that, but I like Brandon Harris.
TK you know I have pulled for Harris since I mocked him and was excited we traded up for him. I think he was coached wrong and positioned as a zone player rather than cover which he played in college. He's still on team.

thunderkyss
08-29-2014, 10:16 PM
TK you know I have pulled for Harris since I mocked him and was excited we traded up for him. I think he was coached wrong and positioned as a zone player rather than cover which he played in college. He's still on team.

Forgive me.

badboy
08-29-2014, 10:18 PM
Forgive me.
lol must spread lalala

dc_txtech
08-29-2014, 10:37 PM
Are those 7 midgets tenacious pitbulls? If so, I'm good with that.

That link requires an account but I would be willing to bet that it's not 7 pitbulls. How many midget Pit bull CB's can you name under 6' that would be a top 15 corner in the league? Cortland Innegan?

I bet they were guys who could turn their hips and stay on top of a WR.


TK you know I have pulled for Harris since I mocked him and was excited we traded up for him. I think he was coached wrong and positioned as a zone player rather than cover which he played in college. He's still on team.


Yeah, because Wade ran so much zone. Harris was constantly in man coverage when he played under Phillips and constantly got beat (when he was lucky enough to be on the field.) If anything I'm hoping that Harris will do better in the zone coverage that Crennel runs.

Edit: And news just broke that Harris was cut. Trading into the second round to get him will go down as one of our biggest mistakes.

The Pencil Neck
08-29-2014, 10:57 PM
TK you know I have pulled for Harris since I mocked him and was excited we traded up for him. I think he was coached wrong and positioned as a zone player rather than cover which he played in college. He's still on team.

And then he's cut...

You are the jinxmaster.

:kitten:

Scooter
08-30-2014, 06:01 AM
i dont know that it happened much this preseason (if at all), but i'm very curious how hal would look inside. his initial game tape is very similar to kareem's. great read, bump, rub, inside and support - but a liability deep and on an island. more ball aware/aggressive than kareem but without the cover skills. much higher potential than harris, mack and most anyone else on the back end of the roster, but a good quarterback would salivate seeing hal on the outside.

amazing80
08-30-2014, 08:43 AM
i dont know that it happened much this preseason (if at all), but i'm very curious how hal would look inside. his initial game tape is very similar to kareem's. great read, bump, rub, inside and support - but a liability deep and on an island. more ball aware/aggressive than kareem but without the cover skills. much higher potential than harris, mack and most anyone else on the back end of the roster, but a good quarterback would salivate seeing hal on the outside.

I thought earlier this off season Kareem was gonna play inside.

EllisUnit
08-30-2014, 09:05 AM
I thought earlier this off season Kareem was gonna play inside.

I say KJ and Jojo stay where they have been and make Hal the nickle, i think he would do great on short to medium routes in coverage.

thunderkyss
08-30-2014, 09:35 AM
I say KJ and Jojo stay where they have been and make Hal the nickle, i think he would do great on short to medium routes in coverage.

The key to a slot corner is not allowing the slot receiver to quickly get into his route. Hal's scouting report says he's a physical guy, but I guess Romeo hasn't shown us that part of his play book yet.

But yeah, they said a while back that Kj would kick inside in passing situations (play the slot) & that's what they've been doing in the preseason games.

So we'll see.

EllisUnit
08-30-2014, 09:38 AM
The key to a slot corner is not allowing the slot receiver to quickly get into his route. Hal's scouting report says he's a physical guy, but I guess Romeo hasn't shown us that part of his play book yet.

But yeah, they said a while back that Kj would kick inside in passing situations (play the slot) & that's what they've been doing in the preseason games.

So we'll see.

Hal has been lining up against teams 2nd string #1 WRs and for the most part he has looked good IMO. To me he just looks like a CB i think he could turn into a good one for sure.