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infantrycak
05-09-2014, 10:27 PM
Man in the middle at a value.

DBCooper
05-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Yes!

TejasTom
05-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Awesome

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2014, 10:28 PM
I concur!

:ant:

steds
05-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Sweet

texan279
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Anyone know what we gave up in the trade?

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
So this guy is injury prone as hell? Great. We have a great record with healthy players.

redwhiteANDblue
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! :kingkong::swatter::texflag:

ThaShark316
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Its time to work!!!!

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Sweet trade up to get a first round talent this far down.


They will have a hell of a front seven.



They might go 0-16 and only give up 160 points all year .... losting 10-6 / 10-3 every damn week. :corrosion:

powda
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Hells yes!

rmartin65
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
I honestly can't see how anyone could dislike this pick. We have a huge hole at NT, and Nix is a top 5 talent (in the NFL) at the position. Concerns over his weight and medical history knocked him down draft boards, but if he can stay healthy, it is a great, great pick. If not, then it is just a middle third.

phantom17
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Yes!!! About friggin time! I'm really loving this draft!!!!:swatter:

Thorn
05-09-2014, 10:29 PM
I love it. This draft is looking like a jewel of a draft.

Can't wait to see all them in action.

Goldensilence
05-09-2014, 10:30 PM
Damn. Early results are looking like quite a haul already.

IlliniJen
05-09-2014, 10:30 PM
AMAZING value pick. Take all my up votes! I thought we might take him at 2.1.

281
05-09-2014, 10:31 PM
This is exactly what we needed!!!

TexansFanatic
05-09-2014, 10:31 PM
Holy crap! Can't believe he was available at that spot.

Don't look now, but the Houston D is gonna rock!

Thorn
05-09-2014, 10:32 PM
damn, Nix cost us the 4.1 and 5.1 picks. We got our comp pick in the 4th, then it's on to the 6 round.

Pantherstang84
05-09-2014, 10:32 PM
I guess we are rolling with Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Yates. Welcome to Suckville Texans fans. If they trade for Mallet we have become the version of the Chiefs Kansas City just flushed. Bellichek retread QBs do not have a very good track record.

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 10:32 PM
Somewhere CnD is doing a happy dance.

Sigma
05-09-2014, 10:32 PM
Anyone know what we gave up in the trade?

#Eagles trade 3rd round pick (83) to Houston for 4th round pick (101) and 5th round pick (141)

source (http://inagist.com/all/464954736677253120/)

Vinny
05-09-2014, 10:33 PM
If I was his agent I'd immediately go to Corpus and find the Whataburger marketing manager and get my gig on.

bckey
05-09-2014, 10:34 PM
Finally! Big man in the middle. Makes it easier to live with the te pick earlier. Good draft so far.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 10:34 PM
source (http://inagist.com/all/464954736677253120/)

Well worth it IMO .... Nix is a first round talent.

Thorn
05-09-2014, 10:34 PM
They must have really wanted Nix to give up the 4.1 and 5.1 picks. I am hopeful he's worth it. I know I would've have taken him with the 3.1 pick.

DBCooper
05-09-2014, 10:35 PM
I guess we are rolling with Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Yates. Welcome to Suckville Texans fans. If they trade for Mallet we have become the version of the Chiefs Kansas City just flushed. Bellichek retread QBs do not have a very good track record.

You don't think the Mallet deal hasn't already been done?

bckey
05-09-2014, 10:35 PM
If I was his agent I'd immediately go to Corpus and find the Whataburger marketing manager and get my gig on.

My neck of the woods. Love Whataburger. #2 whatasize.

Quick II Draw
05-09-2014, 10:36 PM
1. Best pass rusher & most transcendent talent in the draft
2. Best interior lineman in the draft
3. Best all-around TE in the draft
4. Best true NT in the draft

:cowboy1:

honored82
05-09-2014, 10:37 PM
100% thumbs up so far :kingkong:

Honoring Earl 34
05-09-2014, 10:37 PM
damn, Nix cost us the 4.1 and 5.1 picks. We got our comp pick in the 4th, then it's on to the 6 round.

The Texans have 3 players with a round 1 ranking .

swisher
05-09-2014, 10:37 PM
So we just draft a QB in the 6th named Tom....Savage.....and the transformation is complete.

Pantherstang84
05-09-2014, 10:38 PM
You don't think the Mallet deal hasn't already been done?

Oh it probably has. My fear is Mallett=Hoyer=Cassell. It appears McNair is determined to turn this franchise into NE South minus two key ingredients.

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 10:39 PM
They must have really wanted Nix to give up the 4.1 and 5.1 picks. I am hopeful he's worth it. I know I would've have taken him with the 3.1 pick.

83 (175) > 101 (96) + 135 (38.5) = 134.5

Looks like they did more than fine by the chart.

Big Lou
05-09-2014, 10:40 PM
So this guy is injury prone as hell? Great. We have a great record with healthy players.

Well he only has to take 30% of the snaps, we will keep the miles off of him.

Sigma
05-09-2014, 10:42 PM
So we just draft a QB in the 6th named Tom....Savage.....and the transformation is complete.

we should move down from 6-5 (181) to 6-23(199) and get him there

Thorn
05-09-2014, 10:42 PM
83 (175) > 101 (96) + 135 (38.5) = 134.5

Looks like they did more than fine by the chart.

Don't get me wrong, I WANTED this guy, and I'm happy as hell right now. I guess we'll be watching Fitzbeard this year. I can live with that if we get a good QB next year, we weren't going to the playoffs this year anyway.

Damn, this is going to be one hell of a defense.

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 10:44 PM
We gave up 4.1? Ouch. Unless Murray/Mettenberger/McCarron last until that other 4th round pick, looks like that's it or we trade for Mallett. ****.

Honoring Earl 34
05-09-2014, 10:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, I WANTED this guy, and I'm happy as hell right now. I guess we'll be watching Fitzbeard this year. I can live with that if we get a good QB next year, we weren't going to the playoffs this year anyway.

Damn, this is going to be one hell of a defense.

I think they are well aware of the QB situation and have plan .

nytexan
05-09-2014, 10:44 PM
Stating the obvious, this coaching staff likes Big and Physical. TE pick now looks pretty good. Hopefully these boys can play but on paper this draft looks pretty studly.
4.1 and 5.1 seems a bit steep except at pick 83 for Nix, this will either be an awesome pick or dreadful. Big physical defense.
Offense will be run oriented, hopefully Foster is healthy and ready. I'd expect a RB in the 6th round.
QB next year unless Brady II drops from the sky in the 6th round.

Good thing about not picking until late in the 4th round will be that we can sleep in late tomorrow.

powda
05-09-2014, 10:45 PM
83 (175) > 101 (96) + 135 (38.5) = 134.5

Looks like they did more than fine by the chart.

Per your words the chart is stupid. Why compare value if you dont value the chart?

TheIronDuke
05-09-2014, 10:46 PM
Jesus Christ you cry about everything Matrix. We essentially gave up a fifth to move up.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 10:46 PM
83 (175) > 101 (96) + 135 (38.5) = 134.5

Looks like they did more than fine by the chart.

All it cost them was a 5th round pick.. Don't even look at the 4.1 pick.. Since they essentially just swapped that pick with the eagle's mid 3rd rounder.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 10:46 PM
our front 7 is no longer a cheeseburger away from anything

Number19
05-09-2014, 10:47 PM
Here's a good link/discussion of Nix's injury and the maniscal-repair surgery that he underwent to repair his knee. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1955497-closer-look-at-louis-nix-iiis-knee-injury-surgery-heading-into-the-nfl-draft

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 10:47 PM
Jesus Christ you cry about everything Matrix. We essentially gave up a fifth to move up.

Beat me to it.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 10:50 PM
Don't get me wrong, I WANTED this guy, and I'm happy as hell right now. I guess we'll be watching Fitzbeard this year. I can live with that if we get a good QB next year, we weren't going to the playoffs this year anyway.

Damn, this is going to be one hell of a defense.

13 points a game from the offense might be enough to win 10 games the way this defense is shaping up.


Crick - Nix - Watt

Mercilus - Cushing - Reed - Clowney

KJax JJo

Swearinger - Clemons


That looks like a solid defense to me .... Now they need to find some depth and a 3rd corner.

EDIT - forgot they let Manning walk.

Still need a 3rd corner & another DE.

Honoring Earl 34
05-09-2014, 10:50 PM
our front 7 is no longer a cheeseburger away from anything

I like mine with lettuce and tomato heinz 57 and french fried potatoes a big kosher pickle and a cold draught beer :nolisten:

xtruroyaltyx
05-09-2014, 10:50 PM
Wait...

There are people that don't like THIS pick?

Texans are in beast mode with this draft, yo...

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 10:50 PM
Per your words the chart is stupid. Why compare value if you dont value the chart?

Quote it because I have never said the chart is stupid.

I was tempted to say your "analysis" of prior trades with the chart was stupid but refrained.

All it cost them was a 5th round pick.. Don't even look at the 4.1 pick.. Since they essentially just swapped that pick with the eagle's mid 3rd rounder.

False logic. You consider everything on both sides of the equation.

It's a trade of x for y & z

xtruroyaltyx
05-09-2014, 10:51 PM
13 points a game from the offense might be enough to win 10 games the way this defense is shaping up.


Crick - Nix - Watt

Mercilus - Cushing - Reed - Clowney

KJax JJo

Swearinger - Manning


That looks like a solid defense to me .... Now they need to find some depth and a 3rd corner.

We released Manning...He went to Cincy...We got Clemons...

Also, I can't see Mercilus starting opposite Clowney...

I'd rather leave Reed outside and find someone else to play OLB...Let Mercilus spell Clowney or prove he can be a situational rusher. Mercilus shouldn't be penciled in as a starter. Dude is just a guy really.


We'll see..

michaelm
05-09-2014, 10:52 PM
13 points a game from the offense might be enough to win 10 games the way this defense is shaping up.





Crick - Nix - Watt



Mercilus - Cushing - Reed - Clowney



KJax JJo



Swearinger - Manning





That looks like a solid defense to me .... Now they need to find some depth and a 3rd corner.


Manning was released.

badboy
05-09-2014, 10:52 PM
Tried to post this earlier:

[QUOTE]Nix's story of lingering pain that acutely worsened is not uncommon. It seems he played through tendinitis-related pain for much of the season—as well as a seemingly minor meniscus tear that refused to heal—until something exacerbated his injury against Pittsburgh, finally necessitating surgery. For instance, sharp twisting or knee hyperflexion can cause or worsen a meniscus tear.

Fortuna also writes that Nix underwent platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy in an attempt to assist his body's natural healing process. He did so at least twice—once earlier in 2013 and again in November:

Nix had undergone platelet rich plasma therapy, but a second surgery was still needed. Kelly said doctors also performed platelet rich plasma therapy on the knee Thursday to try to help with the healing. That said, given the caliber of Nix's physicians—including Notre Dame team orthopedic surgeon Dr. Brian Ratigan and the world-renowned Dr. James Andrews who, according to Fortuna, provided a second opinion—there is no reason to expect anything less than an optimal recovery. Additionally, the former Fighting Irish lineman is surely working with some of the best physical therapists practicing today.

very lengthy informative article from Feb http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1955497-closer-look-at-louis-nix-iiis-knee-injury-surgery-heading-into-the-nfl-draf

HJam72
05-09-2014, 10:52 PM
Well, we might just score 13 points a game WITH THE DEFENSE. :texflag:

badboy
05-09-2014, 10:52 PM
duplicated finally

powda
05-09-2014, 10:53 PM
13 points a game from the offense might be enough to win 10 games the way this defense is shaping up.


Crick - Nix - Watt

Mercilus - Cushing - Reed - Clowney

KJax JJo

Swearinger - Manning


That looks like a solid defense to me .... Now they need to find some depth and a 3rd corner.

Not sure if Reed shifts inside but I hope so. Now gimme a nickle and a dime and were set on defense. I have questions about crick but he can rotate with powe if necessary.

BullNation4Life
05-09-2014, 10:53 PM
Oh it probably has. My fear is Mallett=Hoyer=Cassell. It appears McNair is determined to turn this franchise into NE South minus two key ingredients.

Somebody is listening too much to Nick Wright in the morning...

Big difference, the Nick Wright failed to mention, between what KC was trying to do and what the Texans are trying to do is that KC was running a Pittsburgh style offense, due to Todd Haley coming from Arizona under Ken Whisenhunt, and not a Pats style offense, which is what OB will be doing.

Matt Cassell had to learn a Steeler style offense, not the same offense he put up 11 wins on, and failed miserably.

Mallett, if traded, will be running pretty much the exact same offense he ran in NE the last 3 years except know he would get the chance to drive instead of sitting in the back seat....

TejasTom
05-09-2014, 10:54 PM
I'm really liking this draft.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 10:54 PM
I think they are well aware of the QB situation and have plan .

Yeah .... they'll find one next year. They are building the trenches first. I'm thrilled with the first , second and this pick.


our front 7 is no longer a cheeseburger away from anything

They are gonna make cheeseburgers outa QB's.

They may need to put a surgeon generals warning up for the opposing QB's .... Playing against the Texans defense is hazardous to your health.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 10:55 PM
I know this probably just slipped your mind but Manning is gone.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10703317/danieal-manning-houston-texans-released

It did .... completely forgot about that. :rake:

Marshall
05-09-2014, 10:56 PM
Anyone know what we gave up in the trade?

4-1 and 5-1. About a 40 point gain on the value chart going from ~135 to 175 to get the 83rd pick.

Pantherstang84
05-09-2014, 10:56 PM
Somebody is listening too much to Nick Wright in the morning...

Big difference, the Nick Wright failed to mention, between what KC was trying to do and what the Texans are trying to do is that KC was running a Pittsburgh style offense, due to Todd Haley coming from Arizona under Ken Whisenhunt, and not a Pats style offense, which is what OB will be doing.

Matt Cassell had to learn a Steeler style offense, not the same offense he put up 11 wins on, and failed miserably.

Mallett, if traded, will be running pretty much the exact same offense he ran in NE the last 3 years except know he would get the chance to drive instead of sitting in the back seat....

Nick who? If it is not obvious what is going on here to anyone else, my cheese done slipped off my cracker.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 10:58 PM
Quote it because I have never said the chart is stupid.

I was tempted to say your "analysis" of prior trades with the chart was stupid but refrained.



False logic. You consider everything on both sides of the equation.

It's a trade of x for y & z

It's not false logic.. It's quite sound logic. they lost one net draft pick (a 5th rounder) to upgrade the position of their next draft pick (a 4th rounder). The Eagles' moved back to pick up one extra pick.. Not two. Which was our 5th rounder.

gtexan02
05-09-2014, 10:58 PM
If we don't get a better option at QB this guy better get in good shape quickly because he's going to be run at a lot late in games

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 11:00 PM
It's not false logic.. It's quite sound logic. they lost on net draft pick (a 5th rounder) to upgrade the position of their next draft pick (a 4th rounder).

My 2nd grader just face palmed. Wow.

Moving on...

Marshall
05-09-2014, 11:01 PM
Sweet trade up to get a first round talent this far down.


They will have a hell of a front seven.



They might go 0-16 and only give up 160 points all year .... losting 10-6 / 10-3 every damn week. :corrosion:

Wah! Wah! Wah! You didn't get your QB so everything is pointless. It's a broken record. (Do kids even know what I'm saying there?)

Some people just like being miserable.

badboy
05-09-2014, 11:02 PM
looking at teams and picks after Nix not sure why Smith thought he had to trade up. Better to not take chance I suppose.

rmartin65
05-09-2014, 11:03 PM
Wah! Wah! Wah! You didn't get your QB so everything is pointless. It's a broken record. (Do kids even know what I'm saying there?)

Some people just like being miserable.

Not to speak for C, but I think you are mis-reading him.

And yes, kids know about records (at least my generation does).

powda
05-09-2014, 11:04 PM
Quote it because I have never said the chart is stupid.

I was tempted to say your "analysis" of prior trades with the chart was stupid but refrained.


My analysis was purely a compilation of information. I never disputed the value chart was only a refrence point. In fact, I said it before you did.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 11:04 PM
My 2nd grader just face palmed. Wow.

Moving on...

Maybe you need to put her in a better school

Moving on....

Quick II Draw
05-09-2014, 11:05 PM
The Texans have 3 players with a round 1 ranking .

I think 4.
Clowney and XSF are unquestioned 1sts.
CJF deserves late 1st consideration as the best all-around TE: huge, good athlete, dominant blocker, capable hands.
Nix also deserves late 1st thanks to rare size.

I'm fine with becoming a grind-it-out team lacking a great qb.

Texans cleaned up.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

Marshall
05-09-2014, 11:10 PM
Not to speak for C, but I think you are mis-reading him.

And yes, kids know about records (at least my generation does).

I often misunderstand the intent of the writings because I can't keep the people straight. This leads me to take everything literally and at face value, even when sarcasm is involved.

So if this is the case, I'm truly sorry.

I'm loving the draft so far, which might not bode well for the future.

Goatcheese
05-09-2014, 11:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hk9u0CR.gif

Number19
05-09-2014, 11:15 PM
Nix underwent his surgery Nov 21st. The linked discussion said recovery could take several months. So he's had a full 5 months of recovery and therapy. The Texans should still be very careful during OTA's and training camp.

eriadoc
05-09-2014, 11:17 PM
I tried voting thumbs up twice.

PapaL
05-09-2014, 11:18 PM
Love love love the pick!

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014lnix.php

Strengths:
Physical force at the point of attack
Tough run-defender who can hold the edge
Excellent run-defender
Very strong
Good burst off the snap
Very quick for his size
Closes well for a heavy tackle
Ability to shed blocks
Eats up double-teams
Frees up edge rushers, linebackers
Can play with good leverage
Uses bull rush to push the pocket
Perfect fit as a 3-4 nose tackle
Good fit as a 4-3 tackle
Eats up double-teams
Upside
Experienced 3-year starter




Weaknesses:
Can play too high
Pad level
Gets beat when he stands up too high
Conditioning will always be something to monitor
Concerns over a knee injury

Player Comparison: Casey Hampton. Hampton had a great career with the Steelers after being the 19th-overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft out of Texas. Hampton (6-1, 325) was a run-stuffer and disruptor in the middle of Pittsburgh's 3-4 defense. Nix is very similar with the exception of being a little bigger. Hampton was a five-time Pro Bowler who won two Super Bowls with the Steelers. Nix could be a similar player in the NFL and end up being one of the top nose tackles in the league.

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 11:20 PM
Jesus Christ you cry about everything Matrix. We essentially gave up a fifth to move up.

Beat me to it.

**** both of you. The "****" was for the possibility of trading for Mallett, who I don't want in the least. One less pick in this draft means a stronger possibility that that's the way we go.

Stupid.

PapaL
05-09-2014, 11:21 PM
**** both of you. The "****" was for the possibility of trading for Mallett.

Stupid.

I'm sure we can offer a pick from next year. That's still allowed.

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 11:23 PM
I'm sure we can offer a pick from next year. That's still allowed.

I don't want them to offer anything for Mallett.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 11:23 PM
**** both of you. The "****" was for the possibility of trading for Mallett, who I don't want in the least. One less pick in this draft means a stronger possibility that that's the way we go.

Stupid.

Hey jackass.. I wasn't even talking/responding to you :rolleyes:

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 11:24 PM
Wah! Wah! Wah! You didn't get your QB so everything is pointless. It's a broken record. (Do kids even know what I'm saying there?)

Some people just like being miserable.

I was being sarcastic .... Im thrilled with three of their four picks. The other , I really like the player , just would have gone a different direction (Not just QB but I mentioned RT , NT , CB & DE).


So far its been a hell of a draft , even without a QB.

That defense is much improved. The OL got a big upgrade.

Not to speak for C, but I think you are mis-reading him.

And yes, kids know about records (at least my generation does).



He most definitely was.

QB or no , I don't think I could be happier about this draft haul .... Quite possibly the best draft in the teams history even if they didn't fill the biggest hole.

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 11:25 PM
Hey jackass.. I wasn't even talking/responding to you :rolleyes:

Yeah, you just quoted a post that told me to quit crying.

Either way, it stands.

Double Barrel
05-09-2014, 11:25 PM
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130410210519/glee/images/0/0c/HELL-YEAH.jpg

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 11:25 PM
That Bulls on Parade defense is legit again. I'm excited!

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 11:26 PM
I really, really, really hope Louis Nix doesn't become "Typical Texan" with his injury history. That's my only concern. Keep the fatboy healthy.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 11:26 PM
That Bulls on Parade defense is legit again. I'm excited!

:toropalm: please for the love of god don't get that started again. :)

Marshall
05-09-2014, 11:27 PM
I was being sarcastic .... Im thrilled with three of their four picks. The other , I really like the player , just would have gone a different direction (Not just QB but I mentioned RT , NT , CB & DE).


So far its been a hell of a draft , even without a QB.

That defense is much improved. The OL got a big upgrade.





He most definitely was.

QB or no , I don't think I could be happier about this draft haul .... Quite possibly the best draft in the teams history even if they didn't fill the biggest hole.

I'll repeat from my prior post, Sorry about that!

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 11:30 PM
I really, really, really hope Louis Nix doesn't become "Typical Texan" with his injury history. That's my only concern. Keep the fatboy healthy.
If he stays healthy we're looking at the next Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork. Just keep the twinkies to a minimum for this beast. He's going to love Houston and all of the fast-food places we have. Especially the barbecue.

If his weight balloons up to 370 again like it was a few years ago. Oh boy, what a load for an offensive line to block. He may hurt many NFL centers in his career. Think Kris Jenkins man-handling Chris Myers back in 2009.

From all accounts he's as athletic as he's ever been at the moment. Around that 335 to 340 mark. He's so strong and agile for his weight it's ridiculous and at 6'2 he usually gets the lower leverage. He's pretty much unblockable by one guy. He can eat up two blockers most of the time. That's going to help J.J. Watt a lot at defensive left end.

Louis Nix is a flat out beast!!!! :kingkong:

beerlover
05-09-2014, 11:31 PM
I don't think this is being overly caught up in the moment or anything but first four picks could ALL be starting come this fall for your Houston Texans. Usually lucky to get a couple, so yeah this is quite the draft :)

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 11:32 PM
I don't think this is being overly caught up in the moment or anything but first four picks could ALL be starting come this fall for your Houston Texans. Usually lucky to get a couple, so yeah this is quite the draft :)
Most definitely. I think all four guys are starting Week 1

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 11:32 PM
Starting is one thing....being good is another. How often do even 4 players out of a draft turn into contributors for their team?

Let's be excited but temper expectations. Every year every fan of every team falls into the draft trap, forgetting the lessons learned from years past.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 11:33 PM
Yeah, you just quoted a post that told me to quit crying.

Either way, it stands.

I don't give two craps about Y'all's little squabble.. I quoted his post, simply for him saying what we essentially gave up.. Since I was typing the SAME DAMN THING (in another post that didn't have crap to do with you) before I ever saw his post as it was posted while I was still typing my post. Hence why I quoted his post and said "beat me to it". :rolleyes: defensive much?

MEGA SWATT
05-09-2014, 11:33 PM
cool pick. cool draft so far.

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 11:34 PM
Starting is one thing....being good is another. How often do even 4 players out of a draft turn into contributors for their team?

Let's be excited but temper expectations. Every year every fan of every team falls into the draft trap, forgetting the lessons learned from years past.
This should be as good a draft the Texans have had since 2006. We netted many good starters in that one: Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston and Owen Daniels. I would gladly rate our first four picks in this draft very comparable to that one in terms of potential starters from day one. Although I don't recall if Winston and Daniels started right away? I know Mario and DeMeco did.

TEXANRED
05-09-2014, 11:38 PM
That Bulls on Parade defense is legit again. I'm excited!

Not to pick, but that crappy lettermen jacket name died with Kubiak. New players, new DC, new scheme. Let that truly awful name die with Kubiaks departure.

TEXANRED
05-09-2014, 11:40 PM
I really, really, really hope Louis Nix doesn't become "Typical Texan" with his injury history. That's my only concern. Keep the fatboy healthy.

I just hope he is not Frank Okam.

PapaL
05-09-2014, 11:41 PM
Someone is on their period today. Sheesh. Peace, Love, Kumbaya...

DX-TEX
05-09-2014, 11:41 PM
Not to pick, but that crappy lettermen jacket name died with Kubiak. New players, new DC, new scheme. Let that truly awful name die with Kubiaks departure.

The you better call the mothership. I heard promos with Clowney and Bulls on Parade 3 times on my drive home tonight.

JCTexan
05-09-2014, 11:41 PM
**** yeah! I wanted this guy at 2.1. Clowney/Nix/Watt is one hell of a beastly D-line.

Carr Bombed
05-09-2014, 11:42 PM
I just hope he is not Frank Okam.

Frank Okam had the talent, he just didn't have the love for the game.. If Nix fails it won't be because his heart wasn't in it, but simply because his body gave out on him.

TEXANRED
05-09-2014, 11:44 PM
The you better call the mothership. I heard promos with Clowney and Bulls on Parade 3 times on my drive home tonight.

God no, parades are reserved for Leprechauns, coming out parties(not that there is anything wrong with that), and floating Bart Simpsons.

It's a great song by RATM, terrible name for a defense.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 11:47 PM
Not to pick, but that crappy lettermen jacket name died with Barwin. New players, new DC, new scheme. Let that truly awful name die with Barwins departure.

FIFY :swatter:

WolverineFan
05-09-2014, 11:49 PM
Don't see how you could hate this pick. I'm worried about his injury history, but in the 3rd round? Yep, I'll take him. Guy has 1st round talent.

badboy
05-09-2014, 11:51 PM
another tid bit:

05/08/2014 - 2014 DRAFT SCOUT FINAL TOP 100: 24/2. *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame, 6-2, 331, 5.32, 1...Brick-strong body with nimble feet, Nix came off a solid 2012 season overweight entering 2013, then was sidelined in November when he had surgery to repair a torn meniscus, which should be monitored. He played well enough to boost previous (2012) fourth-round draft projections up to first round. Plays with a high-rev motor that he needs to control to last four quarters, but is a highly coachable player and great teammate. After he grew up with a football size team family as the oldest of 11 siblings. Frankly: He won't win sprints, finish marathons or get an invite to Dancing With the Stars, but pass on him in the draft and he will maul your offensive linemen two at a time for years. - Frank Cooney, NFLDraftScout.com

05/06/2014 - Dane Brugler's 2014 NFL Draft Final Top-50: 14. Louis Nix DT, Notre Dame (6-2, 331, 5.42, rJR)...An athletic nose tackle, Nix has monster ability, consistently making plays behind, up and down the line of scrimmage. A knee injury contributed to a streaky 2013 season, but he is very active for his size and a double-team magnet - impact doesn't always show in the box score. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

kiwitexansfan
05-09-2014, 11:58 PM
Funny personable guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrgBH4-zLMk

Was a Jags fan. Truly a rare breed.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-09-2014, 11:58 PM
Of course, thumbs up for me.

TEXANRED
05-10-2014, 12:00 AM
FIFY :swatter:

you don't :swatter: me, I :swatter: you!

TexansSeminole
05-10-2014, 12:03 AM
We gave up 4.1? Ouch. Unless Murray/Mettenberger/McCarron last until that other 4th round pick, looks like that's it or we trade for Mallett. ****.

**** both of you. The "****" was for the possibility of trading for Mallett, who I don't want in the least. One less pick in this draft means a stronger possibility that that's the way we go.

Stupid.

Maybe he'll be good, but I do think we had more pressing needs. Moreso angry that the Patriots sniped Garoppolo. Because the Patriots are cocksuckers and that it was entirely predictable.

Better not trade for Mallett. The Patriots aren't going to just give us someone who's good. Draft a damn QB and that's it.

Oh ****.

Thank goodness. We need more offensive linemen, too. Just load the ****in' thing. Our OL was the biggest reason this team was a disaster last year.

I don't. I hope he sucks balls. **** Jacksoffville.

****. We got DICKED.

Who the **** cares. We won the division in 2011 and 2012 and it had nothing to do with anything the Colts did or didn't do.

About ****ing time. Sick of all the *******s talking. C'mon.

Stupid ****ing thread. Let the guy get picked first.

If you think we won the division twice in a row only because Peyton was hurt and because Luck was a rookie, that's some seriously offensive, ridiculous, derisive bull****. Have some ****ing respect for the team you supposedly root for.

I hate this "draft chart" ****. Maybe I don't understand it, but how can one assess the value of a pick slot without taking into consideration varying draft classes and the fact that, you know, none of these people are proven?

Anyone with a relentless motor. I don't know these players specifically but that's my only requirement. We need to build an entire ****ing team of JJ Watts and Brian Cushings.

What kind of play or respect do you think we deserve? We haven't done **** and most every time we're on national TV we get embarrassed.

We deride ESPN then want their affection? **** that.

Thank goodness. I'm sick and ****ing tired about hearing about their crowd gimmick every time I watch one of their home games.


I enjoy a good curse word, but holy ****ing ****. This is only in the past week. There is such a thing as too ****ing much.

TexansSeminole
05-10-2014, 12:07 AM
Love the pick and I am liking this draft a lot thus far. We are filling needs and changing the identity of the team. You never know who's going to work out, but you have to like our chances with the guys we have picked.

Corrosion
05-10-2014, 12:15 AM
you don't :swatter: me, I :swatter: you!

That's what you think .... :lol:

kiwitexansfan
05-10-2014, 12:16 AM
For a big guy he shows a lot of hustle to the ball too.

drs23
05-10-2014, 12:36 AM
I think they are well aware of the QB situation and have plan .

Thank you.

qqert
05-10-2014, 12:39 AM
i enjoy a good curse word, but holy ****ing ****. This is only in the past week. There is such a thing as too ****ing much.

it's california so it cant' be the weather.
Must be contaminants in the water?

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 12:46 AM
Big guys better stay hydrated.

Going to be a bit of change for some of these guys in the houston heat. Only going to make them better on game day though.

Wolf6151
05-10-2014, 01:02 AM
IF, and it's a big IF intentionally, Nix can get and stay healthy as well as better physical conidtioning this could be a steal of a pick. The fact that he'll be able to rotate with Poe at NT gives me hope that Nix will be given time to learn and adjust to the NFL. Hopefully Crennel and Kolar will be able to push him hard.

Vinny
05-10-2014, 01:02 AM
Big guys better stay hydrated.

Going to be a bit of change for some of these guys in the houston heat. Only going to make them better on game day though.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPe_ywCcAAVp4X.jpg

Trap_Star
05-10-2014, 01:07 AM
Big guys better stay hydrated.

Going to be a bit of change for some of these guys in the houston heat. Only going to make them better on game day though.

Nix is a Floridian, so it shouldn't be a surprise to him.

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 01:12 AM
Nix is a Floridian, so it shouldn't be a surprise to him.

I played college ball in Florida.

It isn't the same.

Not sure if it's all humidity or what, but houston air feels so heavy and thick compared to other places. Maybe it's the lack if consistent breezes, all the concrete, pollution, allergens...I don't know...

But I'm from houston. Played football for many years here. Went to Florida and laughed at guys who couldn't handle the hot practices out there.

The place where the heat and atmosphere felt most similar to me was on South Carolina.

TexansSeminole
05-10-2014, 01:17 AM
I played college ball in Florida.

It isn't the same.

Not sure if it's all humidity or what, but houston air feels so heavy and thick compared to other places. Maybe it's the lack if consistent breezes, all the concrete, pollution, allergens...I don't know...

But I'm from houston. Played football for many years here. Went to Florida and laughed at guys who couldn't handle the hot practices out there.

You played ball at FAMU right? Tallahassee is just a tad cooler and less humid than Houston, although close to the same. South Florida is pretty dang humid though, as you know.

Just realized he is from Jacksonville, so North Florida.

Trap_Star
05-10-2014, 01:21 AM
I played college ball in Florida.

It isn't the same.

Not sure if it's all humidity or what, but houston air feels so heavy and thick compared to other places. Maybe it's the lack if consistent breezes, all the concrete, pollution, allergens...I don't know...

But I'm from houston. Played football for many years here. Went to Florida and laughed at guys who couldn't handle the hot practices out there.

The place where the heat and atmosphere felt most similar to me was on South Carolina.

yeah, with the humidity and pollution, it's like walking into a fart when step out the door here in Houston.

GuerillaBlack
05-10-2014, 01:24 AM
I enjoy a good curse word, but holy ****ing ****. This is only in the past week. There is such a thing as too ****ing much.

Whats that thing they say about cursing? Shows ones intelligence if they can't get two sentences out without dropping curse words left and right.

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 01:32 AM
You played ball at FAMU right? Tallahassee is just a tad cooler and less humid than Houston, although close to the same. South Florida is pretty dang humid though, as you know.

Yeah. And it's why I'm saying I don't know what it is. Because I've played a bit further down in Gainesville...played in Georgia....

I've been to Miami in the summer and I have family in Tampa (where it seems like every time I visit it rains around the same time almost every day).

Even here going to Galveston getting closer to the ocean the air feels less heavy to me. I feel like I breate better and feel more cool closer to the beach. I feel more wind out there generally...

But that's not with pads on. I can't really explain it, but its like when you step out your pads on in houston and step out on a hot muggy summer day, your whole body starts to sweat. And then when you start moving around it's something you have to get used to.

Even from season to season in highschool it was like...whoa...every year when you first get back into the pads.

Not saying that some of the guys from the south are going to be totally in disbelief at how hot and sticky it's going to feel at times...just saying houston is something serious when you're out there in the heat of the day with pads on for the first few days.

Norg
05-10-2014, 01:50 AM
I guess we are rolling with Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Yates. Welcome to Suckville Texans fans. If they trade for Mallet we have become the version of the Chiefs Kansas City just flushed. Bellichek retread QBs do not have a very good track record.

I told u we are rebuilding year


Bob had the green light to get his QB of the Franchise next year in 2015

leebigeztx
05-10-2014, 01:58 AM
I'm not a nix fan and there was a good chance he would've been there at 4.1. Where they got him is about right. Dude was on rollerskates vs bama and a few others. Questionable work ethic and motor concerns. He's a 2 down player and that's cool.

Vinny
05-10-2014, 02:00 AM
I guess we are rolling with Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Yates. Welcome to Suckville Texans fans. If they trade for Mallet we have become the version of the Chiefs Kansas City just flushed. Bellichek retread QBs do not have a very good track record.
think of it this way...we pick a QB early against our better judgement, just to appease the fans. He ends up Ponder/Gabbert/Locker. Your still stuck in Suckville but with one less stud position player and a large salary you are stuck with in your disappointing QB. If you draft excellent position players your core team gets better and if your 4th round qb goes belly up you don't end up the 2012-2014 Jagtitanvikings.

Perhaps a vet QB gets dumped...who knows. Take comfort that the team really has a shot to be much better this season with a tougher more athletic front-7 and Oline. The kicker is that you can't have expectations that we turn this thing around in one season.

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 02:17 AM
yeah, with the humidity and pollution, it's like walking into a fart when step out the door here in Houston.

Since when doesn't our pro team not play under a air conditioned controlled environment?

Hell, even under great conditions the roof still stays closed.

Norg
05-10-2014, 02:24 AM
I wanted to grab him he was once a 1st round talent pick

Our front 3 or 7 Is going to be a MONSTER


Watt NIX and CLown lordddd jesus !!!!!!!!!!

Corrosion
05-10-2014, 02:34 AM
The kicker is that you can't have expectations that we turn this thing around in one season.

But ... But .... McNair said this wasn't a full on rebuild , we'd turn it around next year.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 02:44 AM
Whats that thing they say about cursing? Shows ones intelligence if they can't get two sentences out without dropping curse words left and right.

Has nothing to do with my intelligence. I can be very eloquent if I need to be. I just don't feel the need to be eloquent on a board.

I cuss. Big ****ing deal.

NastyNate
05-10-2014, 02:57 AM
Has nothing to do with my intelligence. I can be very eloquent if I need to be. I just don't feel the need to be eloquent on a board.

I cuss. Big ****ing deal.

Yeah you should cry about that ;)

SW H-TOWN
05-10-2014, 03:01 AM
I'm not a nix fan and there was a good chance he would've been there at 4.1. Where they got him is about right. Dude was on rollerskates vs bama and a few others. Questionable work ethic and motor concerns. He's a 2 down player and that's cool.

I understand if you are not a fan but this guys motor is not a concern. Personally, I have not seen tape of anyone running around the field like he does that weighs over 330 and he looks like he was playing at around 350.

thunderkyss
05-10-2014, 03:03 AM
I'm voting down on this guy.

I do like the enthusiasm around this pick, but it looks like there was enough concern about his medical issues that he dropped like a rock.

So far, I see three day one starters & I'm thrilled about that. If we get production out of this guy, I'll be impressed, not before. I feel he might be our new Okoye & will be t rotted out there because they drafted him & not because he can play.

Say Watt
05-10-2014, 03:18 AM
I'm not thrilled with this draft, but LOVE this pick as well as the trade to get him. I'd have probably taken him at 3-1, but this will do.

msbbc833
05-10-2014, 03:22 AM
I know it is not wise to judge a player on 1 game, but after watching him vs Alabama in the BCS bowl I was a little less than impressed. He was played 1-on-1 most of the time and while he did occupy space, he was very slow off the snap a lot of the times overshot his target. Not convinced he is going to be able to occupy two blockers at the next level. Also I don't see him as a run stopper or getting to the QB. He is only good at taking up space/blockers in order to allow someone else to make the play.

TheMatrix31
05-10-2014, 03:38 AM
Yeah you should cry about that ;)

If I ever cry vaginal tears because of someone using profanity, that'll be the day I ask someone to put a bullet in my head.

Dan B.
05-10-2014, 04:02 AM
If I ever cry vaginal tears because of someone using profanity, that'll be the day I ask someone to put a bullet in my head.

It kind of sounds like your vagina gushes over every curse word already

Scooter
05-10-2014, 05:02 AM
think of it this way...we pick a QB early against our better judgement, just to appease the fans. He ends up Ponder/Gabbert/Locker. Your still stuck in Suckville but with one less stud position player and a large salary you are stuck with in your disappointing QB. If you draft excellent position players your core team gets better and if your 4th round qb goes belly up you don't end up the 2012-2014 Jagtitanvikings.

Perhaps a vet QB gets dumped...who knows. Take comfort that the team really has a shot to be much better this season with a tougher more athletic front-7 and Oline. The kicker is that you can't have expectations that we turn this thing around in one season.

i think that is this draft in a nutshell. o'brien is building up his core. i'm a bit biased because i love "ugly" drafts, and this draft is very ugly. a heavy DE/OLB at 1-1 is out of the norm. a samoan guard, good blocking tightend and 330lb nose tackle second day - that's as ugly as it gets. and if those guys pan out they become part of our core for many years, making everyone around them better and making the whole team more likely to have real and sustainable success. being lower paid positions, they also have a higher chance of becoming 'lifers'.

that core also allows freedom from a management standpoint. "ok, we have this system in place with the right guys where we need them, now we can add this free agent or late rounder or trade for a specialist to complete the puzzle". mercilus is a built in example of that. we got big and nasty in the front 7 ... if we've got so much talent collapsing the middle, a speed rusher could have a huge impact. another example is our quarterback situation. if we have these players, and this system - 'player x' would be the ideal leader to do the job. o'brien's building big and ugly, does he like keenum in a read option and run first system? does he think yates or mccarron are the right game manager? what about mett or fitz throwing downfield off play-action? i'm of the opinion that it's better to add to the whole than build the whole around a few pieces - and that seems to be the approach.

we've got a plan, and i think o'brien wants the team (core) built before the focal points are added.

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 08:35 AM
I'm not a nix fan and there was a good chance he would've been there at 4.1. Where they got him is about right. Dude was on rollerskates vs bama and a few others. Questionable work ethic and motor concerns. He's a 2 down player and that's cool.

"On roller skates".. LOL, what game were you watching? He was dominating the blockers in front of him and was really the only defender who showed up in that game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8

Also I haven't heard anybody question his work ethic or motor.. I have read scouting reports that he plays so hard that he wears himself out though. But a guy that big will always struggle with weight control and stamina.

Seriously though, how did you watch his game vs Alabama and come away thinking he was playing on skates? He was constantly blowing through the line, collapsing the pocket and causing disruption up the middle.. the failure in that game came from the LBers playing behind him who failed to capitalize off of the blocks he was eating up... in short, what he did in that game is exactly what we need him to do here and why we drafted him. If he can recover from his injury, this guy has the potential to be the best NT in the NFL.

Scooter
05-10-2014, 08:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8

explain this one to me. is the rest of the notre dame line that slow or does our big 330lb'er really fire off the ball faster than everyone else?

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 08:53 AM
explain this one to me. is the rest of the notre dame line that slow or does our big 330lb'er really fire off the ball faster than everyone else?

I can't speak for him after his knee injury (I pray he returns to form), but speaking about his play pre-knee

The guy has GREAT feet and speed for a man so big and fat. Watching that tape reminded me of when I took my niece to see this movie.

http://image11.m1905.cn/uploadfile/2008/0812/12112227784.jpg

srrono
05-10-2014, 08:55 AM
PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m

Heard the #Texans were after both Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix. Wanted both of them for their DL.


PDS ‏@PatDStat 11m

Through two days the #Texans may have gotten the best rated OG, NT, OLB and Y-Tight End in the draft.

Lucky
05-10-2014, 09:15 AM
explain this one to me. is the rest of the notre dame line that slow or does our big 330lb'er really fire off the ball faster than everyone else?
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but look up the 2013 BCS championship game. Nix was handled by Barrett Jones. Nix has talent, but the 1st round talk was a joke. He went right around where he should have as a 3rd round pick. Hopefully, Nix will tie up blockers so Cushing and Co. can make tackles, rather than run himself out of plays.

Seegara
05-10-2014, 09:20 AM
We must consider the stiff price we paid to get him, giving up 4.1 and 5.1 to get a mid 3rd round pick. And with his tendency to injury, I'm not enthusiastic. Yes, we need a nose tackle, but other positions are more critical. It's clear the front office has plans to find a QB in an unexpected place; either they think they've found an unheralded gem that will last until late in the draft or they plan to trade for one. Surely they must realize we don't have anybody who can do the job now. I'll give a C grade to this selection.

rmartin65
05-10-2014, 09:23 AM
We must consider the stiff price we paid to get him, giving up 4.1 and 5.1 to get a mid 3rd round pick. And with his tendency to injury, I'm not enthusiastic. Yes, we need a nose tackle, but other positions are more critical. It's clear the front office has plans to find a QB in an unexpected place; either they think they've found an unheralded gem that will last until late in the draft or they plan to trade for one. Surely they must realize we don't have anybody who can do the job now. I'll give a C grade to this selection.

Stiff price? We gave up one net pick (5.1) to move up quite a bit for a starting NT.

Fred
05-10-2014, 09:31 AM
If I ever cry vaginal tears because of someone using profanity, that'll be the day I ask someone to put a bullet in my head.

OK, but you do cry vaginal tears about everything else.

You are awarded the Texanstalk Foul-Mouthed Crybaby Championship, so you can stop making posts trying to win. Congratulations.

EllisUnit
05-10-2014, 09:32 AM
I guess we are rolling with Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Yates. Welcome to Suckville Texans fans. If they trade for Mallet we have become the version of the Chiefs Kansas City just flushed. Bellichek retread QBs do not have a very good track record.

Damn i like the draft so far, how about giving them a chance before calling the staff a bust.

Give Keenum some extra time with a better oline, and actually build the O the fit him and you may be surprised.

Bulls on Parade
05-10-2014, 10:14 AM
PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m

Heard the #Texans were after both Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix. Wanted both of them for their DL.


PDS ‏@PatDStat 11m

Through two days the #Texans may have gotten the best rated OG, NT, OLB and Y-Tight End in the draft.
I was hoping for Stephon Tuitt with the first pick in the second round - would have been the perfect right end for us - but honestly the Steelers would have likely drafted Louis Nix with their second round pick if Stephon Tuitt was off the board. Besides, I'm sure we'll rotate some of our OLBs at that position or we can still pick up somebody today. Either that or Jared Crick better improve.

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 10:22 AM
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but look up the 2013 BCS championship game. Nix was handled by Barrett Jones. Nix has talent, but the 1st round talk was a joke. He went right around where he should have as a 3rd round pick. Hopefully, Nix will tie up blockers so Cushing and Co. can make tackles, rather than run himself out of plays.

So now he's gone from being pushed back skating on roller blades, to now running himself out of plays.. Which is it?

He was going up against NFL talent against Alabama's offensive line and more than held his own. He was disruptive all game long. Pair him against someone like Watt and all those plays that he ran himself out of (which were penetration straight up the middle of the line) will become big plays made in the back field.

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 11:01 AM
If you think Nix looked bad against Bama in that game, then you don't know what you're looking at.

It's really as simple as that. Nix destroyed Bama's front line. He did whatever he wanted to.

Running himself out of plays? He's a NT, not a LB. His job is to control the middle..Not get moved...Maybe get some penetration. He did all those things.

Nix was awesome against Bama. They couldn't block him. All they could do was get rid of the ball fast and run away from him and even that didn't stop him from making a big impact.

He DESTROYED Bama's front in that game.

Go back and look at that Bama game. Look how often Nix is in their backfield. Look at how often he sheds the block from the OL and hustles to the ball. Count how many times he's destroyed and pushed straight back off the ball (Hint: Not going to be many...if any at all)

Bama could not block Nix really. Single blocks had no chance at all and Nix was even destroying double teams.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8

Not sure how you can watch that and say Nix was handled. LOL....HE was DOMINANT...

Vinny
05-10-2014, 11:08 AM
PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m

Heard the #Texans were after both Stephon Tuitt and Louis Nix. Wanted both of them for their DL.


PDS ‏@PatDStat 11m

PDS should just subscribe to texanstalk twitter. It's almost like sleeping at a Holiday Inn

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 11:16 AM
Oh jeeez...I'm watching the Bama clips and LOLing at Barrett Jones handling him...

Look at how the OL's heads and shoulders snap back when Nix makes contact with him...

Nix was going wherever he wanted to.....Only thing they could do was try to play the position game on him...Barrett Jones and whoever those guards were got thoroughly embarrassed....


It's just clips from a game and it looks like a damn highlight film for Nix....

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 11:21 AM
There's one play around the 7 min mark where Nix destroys Barrett...Puts him into the dirt...Jumps over him then simply blankets the RB as he see Nix has a free run at him.

Barrett never got even close to making any type of play like that on Nix where he just demolishes him.

That Bama film is the film I'd say you need to watch to understand the type of Monster Nix is.

Quick II Draw
05-10-2014, 11:24 AM
Could there be a better successor?

Wolf
05-10-2014, 11:27 AM
think of it this way...we pick a QB early against our better judgement, just to appease the fans. He ends up Ponder/Gabbert/Locker. Your still stuck in Suckville but with one less stud position player and a large salary you are stuck with in your disappointing QB. If you draft excellent position players your core team gets better and if your 4th round qb goes belly up you don't end up the 2012-2014 Jagtitanvikings.

Perhaps a vet QB gets dumped...who knows. Take comfort that the team really has a shot to be much better this season with a tougher more athletic front-7 and Oline. The kicker is that you can't have expectations that we turn this thing around in one season.

yep. I was thinking about the Oilers in the 80's. Draft day comes around and It seemed like I always wanted them to pick the flashy pick.... buy no. it was Munchak,Matthews, and Steinkuhler ... At that time (hell I was a teenager) I wanted results.. then as those guys were monsters it paved the way to many good seasons

DX-TEX
05-10-2014, 11:30 AM
No. Cut all ties to "that" era.

Don't think it would go over with BOB either

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 11:35 AM
Don't see how you could hate this pick. I'm worried about his injury history, but in the 3rd round? Yep, I'll take him. Guy has 1st round talent.Agree. Injury is the concern. I need to go back through Twitter as I recall Nix having put some teams off him... maybe in interview? Or coach's reports?

We must consider the stiff price we paid to get him, giving up 4.1 and 5.1 to get a mid 3rd round pick...Trade value was near perfectly equal -- ~3% difference.

PDS should just subscribe to texanstalk twitter. It's almost like sleeping at a Holiday InnExactly.

Lucky
05-10-2014, 11:35 AM
If you think Nix looked bad against Bama in that game, then you don't know what you're looking at.
This is the same game where Alabama put up 500+ yards of offense, 265 yards on the ground, and scored on pretty much every possession? Right?

Nix didn't tie up blockers. If he had, LBs would have been able to slow Lacy and the Bama backs down. He tried to be a penetrator. Often times not even seeing the back run by him. What you're calling dominant by slipping by a blocker is Nix actually running himself out of the hole. He has poor technique and he tries to do too much.

It's not my fault the dominant Louis Nix wasn't drafted until the middle of the 3rd. It's not my fault that 7 DTs went ahead of him. Clearly, he has the ability to do a job in the NFL. That job will be to clog the middle and free up LBs. I don't think he did that enough in college, and apparently some teams agreed with me.

Heath Shuler
05-10-2014, 11:37 AM
pro day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DkPaJc79j4

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 11:39 AM
This is the same game where Alabama put up 500+ yards of offense, 265 yards on the ground, and scored on pretty much every possession? Right?

Was it JJ Watts fault that the Texans defense was destroyed last season?

He's a down lineman.

Like I said...If you think Nix was anywhere close to handled in that game, you don't know what you're looking at. He destroyed Bama.

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 11:56 AM
This is the same game where Alabama put up 500+ yards of offense, 265 yards on the ground, and scored on pretty much every possession? Right?

Nix didn't tie up blockers. If he had, LBs would have been able to slow Lacy and the Bama backs down. He tried to be a penetrator. Often times not even seeing the back run by him. What you're calling dominant by slipping by a blocker is Nix actually running himself out of the hole. He has poor technique and he tries to do too much.

It's not my fault the dominant Louis Nix wasn't drafted until the middle of the 3rd. It's not my fault that 7 DTs went ahead of him. Clearly, he has the ability to do a job in the NFL. That job will be to clog the middle and free up LBs. I don't think he did that enough in college, and apparently some teams agreed with me.

So now he's responsible for the other 10 defenders on the field? :mariopalm: One guy showed up to play that night.. is it his fault that the others couldn't dominate the person across from them? The biggest weapon against the run is penetration straight up the middle (which you call running out of the play), I wonder why Alabama ran away from him. Nix did his job and what was asked from him in that game. Manti Teo and others didn't and got exposed by Alabama's offensive front.

Like I said before.. if Nix is able to play for us like he did in that game then this pick is a slam dunk. He's going to have players like Watt, Clowney, and Cush to maximize on the stress he applies up the middle on the opposing offense.

gwallaia
05-10-2014, 12:09 PM
Louis Nix III

We should call him LN3

Carr Bombed
05-10-2014, 12:21 PM
Louis Nix III

We should call him LN3

This is my favorite pick in the draft... I'm sticking with Kung Fu Panda :)

Thorn
05-10-2014, 12:34 PM
The first person who adds an 'on' to his last name gets shot. :)

Texecutioner
05-10-2014, 12:50 PM
Overall I like what the draft has been. They're building their core. I'd like to see them continue to build an insane defense and O line. Just keep going. Keep drafting and shuffling QB's in here until we find a really really good one. By that time we should be ready to start competing for a SB.

Wish they'd trade AJ at this point though, and allow him to compete for a SB somewhere since he can't win one here. We could get more picks and more help for the future. AJ deserves to play for a SB contender at this point.

SW H-TOWN
05-10-2014, 01:33 PM
I was hoping for Stephon Tuitt with the first pick in the second round - would have been the perfect right end for us - but honestly the Steelers would have likely drafted Louis Nix with their second round pick if Stephon Tuitt was off the board. Besides, I'm sure we'll rotate some of our OLBs at that position or we can still pick up somebody today. Either that or Jared Crick better improve.

I would not be surprised if we take Deandre Coleman out of Cal. He seems to be very good against the run. He could possible beat out Crick and come out in passing situations. I would be happy if we take him and a QB.

TheIronDuke
05-10-2014, 01:48 PM
Overall I like what the draft has been. They're building their core. I'd like to see them continue to build an insane defense and O line. Just keep going. Keep drafting and shuffling QB's in here until we find a really really good one. By that time we should be ready to start competing for a SB.

Wish they'd trade AJ at this point though, and allow him to compete for a SB somewhere since he can't win one here. We could get more picks and more help for the future. AJ deserves to play for a SB contender at this point.

We would take an insanely huge cap hit by trading AJ. That isn't an option.

thunderkyss
05-10-2014, 01:59 PM
We would take an insanely huge cap hit by trading AJ. That isn't an option.

We save $3.6M if we trade or cut Aj today.

Playoffs
05-10-2014, 02:27 PM
Watch The Chocolate News on Nix's YouTube channel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKtkKfQEmkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqUtFGgrNPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIl7f9yLPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIceNgbs2Rc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlAS3bHNOwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm0HCpaEjAI

Kid has a big personality. :thisbig:

CloakNNNdagger
05-10-2014, 03:48 PM
Somewhere CnD is doing a happy dance.

From here on out, I'm a dancin' fool!

http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/280sw007883.gif

badboy
05-10-2014, 04:29 PM
From here on out, I'm a dancin' fool!

http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/280sw007883.gifHope you don't need hernia repair....

The1ApplePie
05-10-2014, 04:31 PM
Fattie Fat Fat Fat!

Love the pick, a steal too.

CloakNNNdagger
05-10-2014, 04:33 PM
Hope you don't need hernia repair....

:spit: (inside joke!)

Giant Tiger
05-11-2014, 10:13 PM
This is my favorite pick in the draft... I'm sticking with Kung Fu Panda :)

Me, too :hurrah:

Playoffs
05-12-2014, 03:11 PM
Louis Nixed...

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/4048379/fatnix.gif

So that last one -- I think that was the last one I did -- I jumped, and I thought I had it, I was on the ground just paused for a second, you know. I came up, and I thought "all right, I landed it, it's good!" He started measuring me, and felt like I was falling back and just started moving my arms like "whoa!"

The only thing I could think was that song [sings] "I'm going down, I'm yelling timberrrr," that's what was going through my head.

But then I caught myself and fell back gracefully I would say. Like a swan.

Did the other guys make a lot of comments about it?

Nah, they didn't until the little video came out! I think the cameraman might have overexaggerated it because when I hit the ground his camera started shaking, and I was [laughs] "come on, man." Because I know I didn't make the ground shake.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/10/5476618/nfl-draft-2014-louis-nix-interview-notre-dame

nero THE zero
05-12-2014, 03:27 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/10/5476618/nfl-draft-2014-louis-nix-interview-notre-dame

lol

That's hilarious.

Playoffs
05-12-2014, 06:48 PM
Nix as a QB...

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
Just discovered this video. Louis Nix runs in a two-point conversion in the 2013 ND spring game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxS13tok_kw

CloakNNNdagger
05-12-2014, 07:26 PM
Nix as a QB...

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxS13tok_kw

We evidently got a two-fer!:bravo:

TheRealJoker
05-12-2014, 07:30 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yFp7yWPtGdg

Our NT isn't just a fat boy to occupy blockers. Good motor, can run sideline to sideline and push the pocket to rush the passer. Steal of the draft!!!

xtruroyaltyx
05-12-2014, 07:51 PM
If nix is healthy he's going to be a monster in the middle.

steelbtexan
05-12-2014, 08:31 PM
If nix is healthy he's going to be a monster in the middle.

Which in turn is going to make Cushing even better.

Bulls on Parade
05-12-2014, 09:12 PM
The Irish chocolate for the two-point conversion.
We need to dial that play up in goal line situations.

:texflag:

NastyNate
05-13-2014, 02:06 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7lYFFHzxdnM/Uza_Vjx64WI/AAAAAAAAcCo/7VGUvCosk5Q/s1600/Bj2WvzbCYAAoetV.jpg

Vance87
05-13-2014, 02:59 PM
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ray-J-Stare-VH1-For-the-Love-of-Ray-J.gif

DexmanC
05-13-2014, 04:36 PM
The first person who adds an 'on' to his last name gets shot. :)

If he's responsible for "recording" lots of sacks and TFL's, we may have to consider it.

thunderkyss
05-13-2014, 10:54 PM
Question...

If Nix can get the push a guy his size should get, is there any reason to take him off the field on 3rd down? Not being able to step up on third down is a pretty bad situation if you've got Clowney & someone else coming around the end, with Watt & Nix pushing back the middle.

The Pencil Neck
05-13-2014, 11:08 PM
Question...

If Nix can get the push a guy his size should get, is there any reason to take him off the field on 3rd down? Not being able to step up on third down is a pretty bad situation if you've got Clowney & someone else coming around the end, with Watt & Nix pushing back the middle.

Nix is actually a guy that can slide over and get some penetration. When he's on, he can cause some damage.

So, depending on how much gas he's got at that point in the game, yeah. Him and Watt in the middle with Clowney and Mercilus at DE could get pretty awesome. Even a stunt with Watt and Nix could get some brutal results.

badboy
05-13-2014, 11:08 PM
Question...

If Nix can get the push a guy his size should get, is there any reason to take him off the field on 3rd down? Not being able to step up on third down is a pretty bad situation if you've got Clowney & someone else coming around the end, with Watt & Nix pushing back the middle.
I'd like to see him at about 320 down from his combine 334. He ballooned to 356 which scared many but he was battling the leg issues. If he follows a good eating program, he should be fine 3 downs especially with Powe to rotate selectively with him. Nix has pretty quick feet and is athletic for a behemoth and if he can get into a habit of getting his hands up he will be even more effective.

thunderkyss
05-14-2014, 12:34 AM
I'd like to see him at about 320 down from his combine 334. He ballooned to 356 which scared many but he was battling the leg issues. If he follows a good eating program, he should be fine 3 downs especially with Powe to rotate selectively with him. Nix has pretty quick feet and is athletic for a behemoth and if he can get into a habit of getting his hands up he will be even more effective.

For some reason I don't like 330lb men being called "behemoth"

I think Greek God of War would suit us much better.

steelbtexan
05-14-2014, 12:39 AM
Nix is actually a guy that can slide over and get some penetration. When he's on, he can cause some damage.

So, depending on how much gas he's got at that point in the game, yeah. Him and Watt in the middle with Clowney and Mercilus at DE could get pretty awesome. Even a stunt with Watt and Nix could get some brutal results.

Very exciting.

I expect Powe/Nix to split some 1st/2nd down snaps and Crick/Nix to to split some 3rd down snaps. With the game on the line in the 4th qtr I want a rested Nix lining up next to Watt with Clowney and Mercilus beating the crap out of Luck on every down.

Scooter
05-14-2014, 05:48 AM
Question...

If Nix can get the push a guy his size should get, is there any reason to take him off the field on 3rd down? Not being able to step up on third down is a pretty bad situation if you've got Clowney & someone else coming around the end, with Watt & Nix pushing back the middle.

yes, for a couple of reasons. on those thirds downs it's nice to collapse into the QB's lap, but the goal is penetration. if nix becomes a real standout he'll see 3rd down opportunities, but they would have to be earned. the other reason is his energy. a 330lb nose tackle is going to get winded, there's no way around it. it's better to put the specialists in to get after the quarterback and save your big guy for when the situation suits him. if powe shows that he can hold his own, it would free up nix to get into some passing situations, but i dont see it - powe's a nice backup to have, but he's just a backup.

Playoffs
05-18-2014, 12:52 PM
lOUIS NIX III ‏@1irishchocolate
Proud Notre Dame Graduate! #GoIrish

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f340.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f389.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f38a.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f36b.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn7p_i1CYAEvAaf.jpg

DBCooper
05-18-2014, 10:50 PM
this guy's highlight videos look like amobi okoye's low light videos.

seriously.

just head over to youtube, look at his videos and i barely see him make a play. instead he gets swallowed up by linemen, over runs plays, too slow to react a lot of times, i dont know why people are so hyped up about this guy.

Why don't you ask Brian Cushing what he thinks of this pick.

NastyNate
05-18-2014, 11:05 PM
this guy's highlight videos look like amobi okoye's low light videos.

seriously.

just head over to youtube, look at his videos and i barely see him make a play. instead he gets swallowed up by linemen, over runs plays, too slow to react a lot of times, i dont know why people are so hyped up about this guy.

Do you ever tire of your current shtick? It's about a 2/10, you can do better at trolling.

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 08:08 AM
Do you ever tire of your current shtick? It's about a 2/10, you can do better at trolling.

I seriously doubt it, on all accounts.

infantrycak
05-19-2014, 08:11 AM
Do you ever tire of your current shtick? It's about a 2/10, you can do better at trolling.

I seriously doubt it, on all accounts.

Remember he's a Dolts fan. These pathetic attempts are actually overachieving for his social circle.

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 08:15 AM
Remember he's a Dolts fan. These pathetic attempts are actually overachieving for his social circle.

Really?

That makes him even more of id!ot!

Honoring Earl 34
05-19-2014, 08:19 AM
Remember he's a Dolts fan. These pathetic attempts are actually overachieving for his social circle.

He's Perez Hilton amongst his brethren .

PapaL
05-19-2014, 09:17 AM
Do you ever tire of your current shtick? It's about a 2/10, you can do better at trolling.

Refer to my signature block...

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 11:11 AM
what's your freaking problem pal?

all you've done since ive joint his site is harrass me.

and you're suppose to be a moderator?

IM BORN AND RAISED IN HOUSTON. You can ask me any question any houstonian will know and i will answer it.

You people will know soon enough about nix when he makes less plays than amobi okoye.

What because i criticize a team who just went 2-14? what because i criticize a franchise who hasnt been past the 2nd round? a team who hasnt had a franchise qb?


stop harrassing people, you are suppose to be a moderator yet you spend you entire time negative repping and harassing me.

Are you over 15 years old? It's ok if you're not.

Maybe your little fruit bat should have a Colts hat and at least everyone would know where you're coming from.

Section516
05-19-2014, 11:35 AM
ask me about anything in houston and i will answer it.


Where do I live?

281
05-19-2014, 11:42 AM
i am not a colts fan.

its sad how you people deal with opposing opinions on this site with new members.

have you seen louis nix highlight videos?

HE DOESNT EVEN MAKE PLAYS ON HIS OWN HIGHLIGHT VIDEOS MY GOD HE OVERRUNS PLAYS, HE MISSES TACKLES, HE GETS SWALLOWED UP BY OTHER LINEMEN and this is his highlight video!!!!

born and raised in houston. lived here my entire life. just because i dont pump sunshine up everybody's butts and eat up every draft pick like they are the second coming doesnt make me a colts fan.

ask me about anything in houston and i will answer it.

Uhh, were we watching the same highlights? I loved what I saw.

TEXANRED
05-19-2014, 11:42 AM
Where do I live?

That's easy, section 516 silly.

xtruroyaltyx
05-19-2014, 11:46 AM
HE DOESNT EVEN MAKE PLAYS ON HIS OWN HIGHLIGHT VIDEOS MY GOD HE OVERRUNS PLAYS, HE MISSES TACKLES, HE GETS SWALLOWED UP BY OTHER LINEMEN and this is his highlight video!!!!
.

If you have time, maybe in real time we can watch the videos at the same time and go play by play and compare what we each see.

I couldn't disagree more with your take on Nix, but I'd like to know what you're seeing.

281
05-19-2014, 11:47 AM
If you have time, maybe in real time we can watch the videos at the same time and go play by play and compare what we each see.

I couldn't disagree more with your take on Nix, but I'd like to know what you're seeing.

I agree with this one.

Also, I don't really care if Nix doesn't make a whole lot of plays... I care more about him freeing up our other D-linemen / LBs so THEY can make plays.

Speedy
05-19-2014, 11:53 AM
The film on Nix (http://draftbreakdown.com/players/louis-nix-iii/).

Not a highlight real. This is every snap he played in the 10 games they have listed, 6 from last season.

Section516
05-19-2014, 12:02 PM
That's easy, section 516 silly.

I've changed locations since, but didn't want to change the username over :)

NCTexan
05-19-2014, 12:04 PM
If you have time, maybe in real time we can watch the videos at the same time and go play by play and compare what we each see.

I couldn't disagree more with your take on Nix, but I'd like to know what you're seeing.

I agree with this. Lord Bills, can you provide us a link to the video you're watching and post your comments by the time they happen so we can see what you're seeing?

I've changed locations since, but didn't want to change the username over :)

Sneaky bastard...

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 12:30 PM
The film on Nix (http://draftbreakdown.com/players/louis-nix-iii/).

Not a highlight real. This is every snap he played in the 10 games they have listed, 6 from last season.

Awesome Speedy! Thoroughly enjoyed that!


Double teamed almost every play.

Clogged the running lanes, collapsed the pocket.

Blew up his man if he was one on one most of the time.

Great footwork!


Yeah, this guy sucks!

DBCooper
05-19-2014, 12:33 PM
And referring to my above post about the double teams:

Nix cannot be double teamed like that with Watt and Clowney on the line.

Pick your poison because Nix adds an interesting element to our defense this year.

steelbtexan
05-19-2014, 12:36 PM
And referring to my above post about the double teams:

Nix cannot be double teamed like that with Watt and Clowney on the line.

Pick your poison because Nix adds an interesting element to our defense this year.

The element of being a bad a**

disaacks3
05-19-2014, 12:44 PM
what's your freaking problem pal?

all you've done since ive joint his site is harrass me.

and you're suppose to be a moderator?

IM BORN AND RAISED IN HOUSTON. You can ask me any question any houstonian will know and i will answer it.

You people will know soon enough about nix when he makes less plays than amobi okoye.

What because i criticize a team who just went 2-14? what because i criticize a franchise who hasnt been past the 2nd round? a team who hasnt had a franchise qb?


stop harrassing people, you are suppose to be a moderator yet you spend you entire time negative repping and harassing me. Can we start with the bolded grammatical errors?

Ironically, those errors may bolster his 'Born and Raised in Houston' claim...they appear to be the work of an HISD education. :kitten:

Ole Miss Texan
06-03-2014, 01:02 PM
http://m.houstontexans.com/s/30862/260?itemPos=4&itemUri=2084919789%2F12812131471011143695113101281 1

Nix missing time with undisclosed injury. O'Brien doesn't seem overly concerned or know much about it? Coy coach playing coy as usual??

I'm a big Nix fan (no pun intended), would have been thrilled with the pick at 33. But I've been worried about his injuries and concerned that's why he dropped in the draft. Anything wrong with big men's knees seem to be compounded.- 330+ pounds!

I really hope it's nothing but from the get go with him dropping in the draft I've been biting my tongue with overly enthusiastic thoughts.

"Sent from iPhone" help with link ;)

ETA - iPhones are amazing and do links just fine. Lol
ETA2 - except it looks like a mobile link. Who knows. Good day...

xtruroyaltyx
06-03-2014, 03:30 PM
Yeah that injury....OB says it's nothing....

But I don't like guys sitting out when contact hasn't even started...

Maybe they are just being cautious with him.

Playoffs
06-03-2014, 03:34 PM
Nix tweaked an ankle.

Not life threatening.

eriadoc
06-03-2014, 03:48 PM
Nix tweaked an ankle.

Not life threatening.

Yet. Next thing you know, he's getting an injection for the ankle, which opens up an entry vector for flesh eating bacteria. He stops on the way home from the doctor's office to grab a burger, which is infected with e coli. Later that night, he starts to feel bad, and his ankle is hurting, so he decides to have some chicken noodle soup, but it's infected with salmonella.

:firehair:

Sorry, I just wanted a reason to use that smiley. :)

EllisUnit
06-03-2014, 04:42 PM
Yet. Next thing you know, he's getting an injection for the ankle, which opens up an entry vector for flesh eating bacteria. He stops on the way home from the doctor's office to grab a burger, which is infected with e coli. Later that night, he starts to feel bad, and his ankle is hurting, so he decides to have some chicken noodle soup, but it's infected with salmonella.

:firehair:

Sorry, I just wanted a reason to use that smiley. :)

haha i guess anythings possible

kiwitexansfan
06-03-2014, 06:08 PM
Nix tweaked an ankle.

Not life threatening.

When your 350lbs the ankle is kinda important.

xtruroyaltyx
06-03-2014, 08:25 PM
When your 350lbs the ankle is kinda important.

Not only that, but it's a tweaked ankle in limited or no contact.

I'm hoping it's really not a big deal at all and the coaches are just being cautious with a guy they expect to play a large role (pun intended) on the team this year.

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 09:15 PM
Yet. Next thing you know, he's getting an injection for the ankle, which opens up an entry vector for flesh eating bacteria. He stops on the way home from the doctor's office to grab a burger, which is infected with e coli. Later that night, he starts to feel bad, and his ankle is hurting, so he decides to have some chicken noodle soup, but it's infected with salmonella.

:firehair:

Sorry, I just wanted a reason to use that smiley. :)

For a minute, I thought you were CnD.

badboy
06-03-2014, 10:04 PM
Not only that, but it's a tweaked ankle in limited or no contact.

I'm hoping it's really not a big deal at all and the coaches are just being cautious with a guy they expect to play a large role (pun intended) on the team this year.
Man it is good to know that no one can twist an ankle without it being contact related. No one but me that is.

CloakNNNdagger
06-03-2014, 10:23 PM
Yet. Next thing you know, he's getting an injection for the ankle, which opens up an entry vector for flesh eating bacteria. He stops on the way home from the doctor's office to grab a burger, which is infected with e coli. Later that night, he starts to feel bad, and his ankle is hurting, so he decides to have some chicken noodle soup, but it's infected with salmonella.

:firehair:

Sorry, I just wanted a reason to use that smiley. :)

For a minute, I thought you were CnD.

But, on the bright side, he goes to surgery and amputation cures everything.:spy:

Texan_Bill
06-03-2014, 10:34 PM
I voted no........ Here's why:

Romeo Crennel believes in that "big fat" nose guard that eats up a lot of room with DE's also doing the same attacking with LB's.

This seems opposite of Wade's 3-4 which wants the NT to be athletic and DE's rushing the QB AND occasionally (or frequently) sending LB's...


Bottom line: I hope it works, but I also hope people understand JJ's sack numbers will be down... I just hope that the average "lay-person" understands that and or will respect what it is that JJ does in this "new" 3-4 defense.

At the end of the day, I like Wade's version better. Quick up front with various blitzes.

That said, Romeo Crennel has been successful in his own right...

We'll see!

badboy
06-03-2014, 10:43 PM
I voted no........ Here's why:

Romeo Crennel believes in that "big fat" nose guard that eats up a lot of room with DE's also doing the same attacking with LB's.

This seems opposite of Wade's 3-4 which wants the NT to be athletic and DE's rushing the QB AND occasionally (or frequently) sending LB's...


Bottom line: I hope it works, but I also hope people understand JJ's sack numbers will be down... I just hope that the average "lay-person" understands that and or will respect what it is that JJ does in this "new" 3-4 defense.

At the end of the day, I like Wade's version better. Quick up front with various blitzes.

That said, Romeo Crennel has been successful in his own right...

We'll see!well TBH Wade's type of NT being successful did not seem to happen and just curious as why you are certain JJ's numbers will be down. I would think if Phillip's version had been successful not only would he still be here but we would not have been 2-14

steelbtexan
06-04-2014, 08:09 AM
well TBH Wade's type of NT being successful did not seem to happen and just curious as why you are certain JJ's numbers will be down. I would think if Phillip's version had been successful not only would he still be here but we would not have been 2-14

Yep

Getting gashed up the middle is hopefully a thing of the past. Wade's defense that TB prefers forced 11 turnovers last yr. Out with the old and in with the new. This should've happened a long time ago.

But some want to hold onto the past and believe with just a little tweaking things will be solved and a SB is on the way. These are mostly Aggies and they have trouble with change/thinking outside the box.

Playoffs
06-10-2014, 07:41 PM
Nose tackle Louis Nix III spoke about J.J. Watt and more in this 'Extended Cut' video: (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Louis-Nix-III-trying-to-emulate-Watt/bfb2ffce-586e-430d-a6f1-06febcac2bed)

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Louis-Nix-III-trying-to-emulate-Watt/bfb2ffce-586e-430d-a6f1-06febcac2bed

“Well, he got himself banged up early and so his knee was an issue,” Crennel said in his press conference Tuesday. “He hasn’t as much of an opportunity. I can tell he is a sharp guy and a guy with wits about him. His head is spinning as well. I think as soon as that knee gets well -he’s a big, strong, physical player and he has played the nose position, and so he knows how to play it- I think that will all bode well for him.”
...

“You just have to focus on a lot of stuff,” Nix said Tuesday. “I focus more on the playbook, you know, calls. I study my playbook more now than I did in college because you don’t have to worry about homework and stuff like that. Before you go to bed, you have to look over everything. It’s like a 24/7 job. You eat, sleep, and think football.”
...

“Nose is critical,” Crennel said. “He has to be able to win one-on-one, force the double team and then not get killed on the double team. Then that allows the linebackers behind him to be good. It allows the free safety down the middle of the field to be good. Therefore, it allows you to be good down the middle.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Crennel-optimistic-about-NT-Louis-Nix-III/856361d0-e8be-4566-a1d6-1e388e5d0a03

NastyNate
06-10-2014, 08:50 PM
Nix is the piece that makes the RAC style defense work. Guy is an absolute terror, first step is incredible. I think if he can stay around 325 and stay healthy, he'll have a huge impact on the future of this defense.

badboy
06-10-2014, 09:03 PM
Nose tackle Louis Nix III spoke about J.J. Watt and more in this 'Extended Cut' video: (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Louis-Nix-III-trying-to-emulate-Watt/bfb2ffce-586e-430d-a6f1-06febcac2bed)

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Louis-Nix-III-trying-to-emulate-Watt/bfb2ffce-586e-430d-a6f1-06febcac2bed


http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Crennel-optimistic-about-NT-Louis-Nix-III/856361d0-e8be-4566-a1d6-1e388e5d0a03A player with history of leg/knee issues gets banged up in OTAs? Uh this does not instill confidence. :foottap:

steelbtexan
06-10-2014, 09:12 PM
A player with history of leg/knee issues gets banged up in OTAs? Uh this does not instill confidence. :foottap:

^^^^
This

I thought he had ankle issues?

CloakNNNdagger
06-10-2014, 09:20 PM
^^^^
This

I thought he had ankle issues?

That was what was reported previously.

James Palmer @ JPalmerCSN

Louis Nix twisted his ankle and missed #Texans day 3 of OTAs. Should be good for next weeks OTAs.

11:41 AM - 29 May 2014


If you may remember, I was not so concerned re. his recent meniscus surgery as I was of his patellar tendonitis problem (ala. Cushing and Newton).

xtruroyaltyx
06-10-2014, 09:21 PM
A player with history of leg/knee issues gets banged up in OTAs? Uh this does not instill confidence. :foottap:

Wait a second...

badboy
06-10-2014, 09:27 PM
^^^^
This

I thought he had ankle issues?

pateller tendonitis is also called jumpers disease. The tendon connect the knee to the shin. Pretty important little piece of equipment.

badboy
06-10-2014, 09:44 PM
Interview on http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/6/10/5797796/interview-with-dr-david-geier-on-louis-nix-knee-ligaments-and-sean-lee

I emailed Dr. Geier last week hoping to gain some knowledge on our shiny, new nose tackle Louis Nix and the knee injury he suffered in college.

[Nix chose the meniscal repair rather than the trimming option.]

Meniscus repairs involve a longer recovery period - often up to six months. The surgeon has to advance the athlete's motion, strength and possibly weightbearing slowly to try to avoid damaging the repair. Many surgeons limit knee motion to 90 degrees of flexion (bending) and limit weightbearing for about four weeks before allowing the athlete to progress to full motion and weight. Usually the surgeon limits repetitive impact, such as jogging, for two to three months.

The advantage of performing a meniscus repair, in the group of tears that actually can be repaired, is that if the repair heals, the entire meniscus is preserved to serve as a shock absorber.

Unfortunately not all repairs heal. Those surgeries are thought to have 10-25% failure rates, so second surgeries are occasionally needed for the surgeons to go back in and trim out the torn meniscus.

We've learned that Nix's meniscus repair was the better option for long-term health. A man of his size will need every fiber of cushion for his knees, not only for playing time, but for quality of life when he retires. Houston Rockets guard Patrick Beverley suffered a similar injury to Nix's but opted to have the tear trimmed away rather than repaired. That's how he was able to return to the team in time for the playoffs.

Each injury is different, though, and that's something Dr. Geier seems to stress. We need to remember that when we make assumptions about a player's injury. Due to length of this interview, I posted only a small portion. Much already voiced by Doc CnnnD but like me you may want to all anyone can find.

Playoffs
06-10-2014, 09:46 PM
That was what was reported previously.


Yep, injury reports promise to be as clear as mud with this new regime.

We'll need your http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QNsc9v4CB9E/UUJA2GaOinI/AAAAAAAAUeU/hRCYDBOui5E/s1600/singoalla-smiley.gif more than ever, Doc.

Playoffs
06-19-2014, 02:07 PM
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/texans-2014-minicamp/20140619_texansminicamp_btc_02.jpg
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/texans-2014-minicamp/20140619_texansminicamp_btc_15.jpg

Still thinking too much, but I'm starting to see Nix with his head up for the first time. Fatty, fat, fat, woohoo! :doot:

Number19
06-19-2014, 09:29 PM
Nix had his surgery last November, so he should be full speed by TC and we should begin having indications how successful the surgery was. I think it would be a good question for someone to ask OB and Crennel what weight they'd like him to play at.

badboy
06-19-2014, 10:26 PM
Nix had his surgery last November, so he should be full speed by TC and we should begin having indications how successful the surgery was. I think it would be a good question for someone to ask OB and Crennel what weight they'd like him to play at.at 331 he is about where I think they want him & with continued strengthening, he could drop another 5-10. Here is a picture of him and an article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/nfl-draft--leaner-notre-dame-ny-louis-nix-not-slimming-down-big-personality-204727920.html


OUTH BEND, Ind. Notre Dame nose tackle Louis Nix III found himself in a position hes never seen or prepared for before: going head-to-head in a football drill with an NFL head coach.

On one side of the line, Nix, the 6-foot-2, 331-pound nose tackle. On the other, Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, a man who could draft Nix on May 8.

Nixs conundrum: Go all out and risk injuring Tomlin?

They were not actually grappling, mind you Tomlin was asked by San Francisco 49ers scout Scott Brown, who ran the drills, to stand there as a dummy.

For some players, that situation might have been awkward. Nix saw it as an opportunity.

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin goes head-to-head with Louis Nix. (Y! Sports)
"I heard Mike Tomlin liked big thighs, Nix said. I tried to show them off for him. Thats why I wore my tights.

CloakNNNdagger
06-19-2014, 10:51 PM
As I've stated before, I am not as concerned with the meniscus repair recovery which should be ~6 months (surgery performed Nov. 21). My main concern is if he will continue to have problems due to past patellar tendonitis, especially as he stresses the knee into the season.

badboy
06-19-2014, 11:02 PM
As I've stated before, I am not as concerned with the meniscus repair recovery which should be ~6 months (surgery performed Nov. 21). My main concern is if he will continue to have problems due to past patellar tendonitis, especially as he stresses the knee into the season.A minimal work load between now and September should help the tendon, correct? I think Powe will help the first season.

steelbtexan
06-19-2014, 11:33 PM
A minimal work load between now and September should help the tendon, correct? I think Powe will help the first season.

Tell me after the 2012-2013 season Texans fans wouldn't have been pumped to have Clowney/Nix/Watt on the DL? If healthy they will be dominant next yr.

Texans fans aren't used to seeing great DL play.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2014, 09:50 AM
A minimal work load between now and September should help the tendon, correct? I think Powe will help the first season.

Theoretically. But tendonitis is caused by overuse / repetition. We will only know for sure if the condition raises its ugly head again when Nix is into the regular season. Meanwhile, I expect him to continue to be considered for plasma rich platelet treatments as soon as there is the slightest hint of a recurrence of the condition. But even this approach to recurrence is no guarantee that his performance is not affected. Again, full prolonged rest will have to be adhered to if the tendonitis is to be significantly affected if it recurs. If not adhered to, the next event in time may be patella tendon rupture, ala. Cushing and Newton.

drs23
06-20-2014, 09:57 AM
Tell me after the 2012-2013 season Texans fans wouldn't have been pumped to have (a healthy Clowney/Nix)/Watt on the DL? If healthy they will be dominant next yr.

Texans fans aren't used to seeing great DL play.

My little :spin: on your statement. But no doubt, very much in agreement with wanting to see healthy, dominant DL play.

I'm almost a giddy to see dominate OL play as well. I think we're in agreement that we both, as well as a few others, feel that Newton will play better this season and perhaps X catches up quickly enough that Ben won't hold that LG spot too long. DB is back to fighting weight and says he feels great and I look for Myers to be his reliable self. Add that huge corn fed specimen outta Iowa, Fido, and they will keep whoever ends up under #55 standing.

I'm tempering my giddiness knowing full well it's going to take some time for the vets and the rooks to gel together and play as a team. The rooks were going to learn a new system at this level no matter where they ended up but the vets are in the same new boat with them. I just hope they can win a few while coming together in this new system.

Playoffs
07-22-2014, 11:11 AM
Don't see how you could hate this pick. I'm worried about his injury history, but in the 3rd round? Yep, I'll take him. Guy has 1st round talent.

Agree. Injury is the concern.

As I've stated before, I am not as concerned with the meniscus repair recovery which should be ~6 months (surgery performed Nov. 21). My main concern is if he will continue to have problems due to past patellar tendonitis, especially as he stresses the knee into the season.

Theoretically. But tendonitis is caused by overuse / repetition. We will only know for sure if the condition raises its ugly head again when Nix is into the regular season. Meanwhile, I expect him to continue to be considered for plasma rich platelet treatments as soon as there is the slightest hint of a recurrence of the condition. But even this approach to recurrence is no guarantee that his performance is not affected. Again, full prolonged rest will have to be adhered to if the tendonitis is to be significantly affected if it recurs. If not adhered to, the next event in time may be patella tendon rupture, ala. Cushing and Newton.
Bring on the platelets. :choke:

Playoffs
08-02-2014, 12:11 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuChaSZCUAE2HUe.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuChaSZCUAE2HUe.jpg

Brian T. Smith @ChronBrianSmith
Louis Nix's right leg. #Texans #NFL

Nix III had "arthroscopic surgery" -- OB's quote -- before training camp.

Playoffs
08-02-2014, 01:42 PM
Bringing forward from another thread...

As opposed to the long recovery from surgery on a ruptured patella tendon (ala Cushing and Newton), return to play can be expected to be as soon as 9 weeks. Optimal performance recovery would obviously take somewhat longer.

I'm thinking this procedure may have occurred no earlier than 6/10 and as late as just pre-camp because nothing was noted during the NFL Rookie Synposium which ended June 28th.

All along I have said I am not so concerned re. Nix's meniscus repair, but quite concerned over his long-standing patellar tendonitis. I strongly suspect that he has had no further surgery on the meniscus, but due to continued patellar tendonitis, there was a decision made to go into the patellar area arthroscopically.

This is much like bone spurs of the foot, which almost always occurs as heel spurs which create constant localized inflammation of the underlying plantar fascia (plantar fasciitis). In this case the bone spurs are removed and the inflammation usually will secondarily resolve.

In an arthroscopic procedure know as patellar tendon decompression, localized small areas of the lower border of the patella (knee cap) that may have bone spur-like irregularities constantly keeping the adjacent upper border of the patellar tendon inflamed (patellar tendonitis) [Fig 1], are removed along with small portions of involved inflamed and scarified tendon. This maneuver leaves most of the functional patellar tendon intact [Fig 2], and introduces new blood supply to previously pathologic portion of tendon to encourage good healing.


Fig 1:

http://tendonitisrx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Cause-of-patella-tendonitis.jpg

Fig 2:

http://www.kneeandshoulder.md/images/level2/knee/patellar/patellar_02.jpg
...

steelbtexan
08-06-2014, 05:04 PM
another injured player?

sign him up!!!!!!!


schaub
boselli
ed reed
ahman green
beanie joppru

now nix.

he must be texan worthy.


:toropalm:

They have also signed injured players that have worked out pretty well for awhile. DDW/Bruener/Walker etc....

Nix is a risk worth taking in the middle of the 3rd rd, after reading CND's injury eval. IMHO

Risk/Reward, I believe in educated risk taking.

CloakNNNdagger
08-12-2014, 01:17 PM
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 12s

Louis Nix III was back, but had a noticeable limp & didn't work in team.

Unlikely Nix would have a "noticeable limp" at this point if he had a simple arthroscopic knee clean out. The more likely scenario is an early return from patellar decompression (a 9 week return to play [not return to previous performance]).

xtruroyaltyx
08-12-2014, 01:40 PM
Unlikely Nix would have a "noticeable limp" at this point if he had a simple arthroscopic knee clean out. The more likely scenario is an early return from patellar decompression (a 9 week return to play [not return to previous performance]).

If that's the case how do you think that affects him long-term?

CloakNNNdagger
08-12-2014, 07:41 PM
If that's the case how do you think that affects him long-term?

If indeed it is a patellar decompression recovery, and the decompression is successful, he has a very good chance of becoming who we expect him to be.

And, as I have posted in the past, as far as the meniscus surgery he underwent last year, since the meniscus tissue was REPAIRED instead of REMOVED, the long-term prognosis should also be good. With REMOVAL, you are exposing underlying bone or at very least thinning out the protective cartilage covering. This sets the stage for the development and progression of arthritis. With REPAIR, you are laying down and securing the separated cartilage back into place so you are giving the bone the best chance to regaining full protective coverage.

Lucky
08-12-2014, 07:43 PM
Unlikely Nix would have a "noticeable limp" at this point if he had a simple arthroscopic knee clean out. The more likely scenario is an early return from patellar decompression (a 9 week return to play [not return to previous performance]).
So, do you think Nix goes on the PUP list to start the season?

xtruroyaltyx
08-12-2014, 07:50 PM
If indeed it is a patellar decompression recovery, and the decompression is successful, he has a very good chance of becoming who we expect him to be.

Great news.