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infantrycak
05-09-2014, 06:15 PM
Well that sure improved the OL.

xtruroyaltyx
05-09-2014, 06:15 PM
Love it.

This guy is a beast.

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 06:15 PM
Did Wade Smith retire? Can he play right tackle? What am I missing here?

Fili
05-09-2014, 06:16 PM
O-line was a major problem last year that hindered anything we wanted to do. I like this.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 06:16 PM
I wonder who saw this coming?

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Whoa! Great pick!

Playoffs
05-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
GREAT pick with Su'a-Filo. My top rated guard on the board. He's powerful, mean and has very good feet.

steelbtexan
05-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Did Wade Smith retire? Can he play right tackle? What am I missing here?

Brown/Brooks/Myers/Sua-Filo/Ques

Not a bad OL.

Blake
05-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Meeeeeee!

ziggy29
05-09-2014, 06:18 PM
If it means no more Newton, I have to love it.

Blake
05-09-2014, 06:18 PM
He will play left guard.

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 06:18 PM
O-line was a major problem last year that hindered anything we wanted to do. I like this.
I liked our starters on the left side when healthy. Duane Brown had lingering health issues and we had no running game. Right tackle was problematic all season. I guess Wade Smith is old so they needed some young blood.

Thorn
05-09-2014, 06:19 PM
Beef up the trenches. That is always a good thing to me. Especially on the O line.

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 06:19 PM
I wonder who saw this coming?

Good call ..... :barman:

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 06:19 PM
Did Wade Smith retire? Can he play right tackle? What am I missing here?

Wade was a major weakness last year and his contract expired.

Injured DB was covering for Wade last season.

TheMatrix31
05-09-2014, 06:20 PM
Thank goodness. We need more offensive linemen, too. Just load the ****in' thing. Our OL was the biggest reason this team was a disaster last year.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 06:20 PM
dude is a player in the mold of Mike Munchak....physical punishing player with great feet. Gonna have a pocket to step into and a run blocker to boot

LikeMike
05-09-2014, 06:20 PM
I like it. Always great to improve the O-Line, especially when it sucked last season. But what does the pick mean? Will we try him at RT? Or does that mean we want to play Quessenberry at RT?

D. Brown
Filo
Myers
Brooks
Quessenberry


That looks like a pretty good O-line. I am sure Foster is happy right now.

mattieuk
05-09-2014, 06:20 PM
Too hard to type his surname. Hate the pick.

Seriously though, solid pick - big and mobile.

Time to find someone for him to protect now.

Double Barrel
05-09-2014, 06:20 PM
Beef up the trenches. That is always a good thing to me. Especially on the O line.

I agree completely. This strategy has me stoked.

I read up on this guy after Vinny mentioned him earlier today. I know if Vinny is big on someone, there is definitely something good going on. Liked what I read, and this really shows the mentality of this coaching staff to dominate the LOS.

Scooter
05-09-2014, 06:21 PM
great, great selection. nice call vinny.

JCTexan
05-09-2014, 06:21 PM
I wanted Nix or Garopollo but I like this pick. It helps fix the O-line.

htowntexans1985
05-09-2014, 06:22 PM
PDS @ PatDStat

My #Texans Projected OL LT: D. Brown LG:
Xavier Su'a Filo C: Chris Myers RG: Brandon
Brooks RT: David Quessenberry

Beasts on the front line.

DocBar
05-09-2014, 06:23 PM
:bravo:

MistaRed
05-09-2014, 06:23 PM
Need more nasty on the o line. I'm behind this pick.

Wolf
05-09-2014, 06:24 PM
I agree completely. This strategy has me stoked.

I read up on this guy after Vinny mentioned him earlier today. I know if Vinny is big on someone, there is definitely something good going on. Liked what I read, and this really shows the mentality of this coaching staff to dominate the LOS.

yep I like if you can control the LOS you can put people away when the time comes.. just ball controlling drives and shove it down their throats

TexansFight
05-09-2014, 06:24 PM
Great draft pick. Very very happy with this choice. He is described as the most pro ready OL in the draft.

kiwitexansfan
05-09-2014, 06:24 PM
Great pick.

Let's get some beef for the DL now.

MojoX
05-09-2014, 06:25 PM
I agree completely. This strategy has me stoked.

I read up on this guy after Vinny mentioned him earlier today. I know if Vinny is big on someone, there is definitely something good going on. Liked what I read, and this really shows the mentality of this coaching staff to dominate the LOS.

I logged in last night just to see who Vinny was high on.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 06:25 PM
I also projected we trade back into this rd...we'll see

Lucky
05-09-2014, 06:26 PM
OK Vinny who's the pick at 3-1?

Double Barrel
05-09-2014, 06:26 PM
I logged in last night just to see who Vinny was high on.

When I saw he had posted today, I searched all his recent posts to catch up, as well.

Much respect. :fostering:

leebigeztx
05-09-2014, 06:26 PM
Great pick

Goatcheese
05-09-2014, 06:27 PM
If we were going to take OL, I would have been happier with Moses, but I'm not unhappy with this pick.

Playoffs
05-09-2014, 06:28 PM
Evan Silva @EvanSilva
New #Texans LG Xavier Su'a-Filo started at left tackle at UCLA as an 18-year-old true freshman. Won Morris Trophy as Pac 12's Top OL in '13.

TexansSeminole
05-09-2014, 06:29 PM
Really like it. I wanted to upgrade LG and we get the best or second best LG in the draft.

Fili
05-09-2014, 06:29 PM
Keep in mind he played tackle in college so he knows the ins and outs of oline

DocBar
05-09-2014, 06:30 PM
I also projected we trade back into this rd...we'll seeThat's what I'm thinking, too.

powda
05-09-2014, 06:31 PM
Pick translation? We're not just going to beat you, we're going to maul your ass. Beef. Im thrilled.

ATXtexanfan
05-09-2014, 06:31 PM
Mighty fine pickup right there. No way to complain about it

bckey
05-09-2014, 06:33 PM
I'm ok with the pick. You can always use help in the trenches. I think they are targeting Savage at qb somewhere in this draft.

LikeMike
05-09-2014, 06:34 PM
Anyone knows if this kid could play RT? He played LT (not very good apparently), is said to be strong and quick with great hands and feet. Sounds like he could be a RT...

Vinny
05-09-2014, 06:36 PM
Anyone knows if this kid could play RT? He played LT (not very good apparently), is said to be strong and quick with great hands and feet. Sounds like he could be a RT...

He can probably play G or RT. He stated that he is not sure where he will play for us just now.

Looks like his nickname is X

Retweeted by TexansTalk.com
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith 16m
New #Texans G Xavier Su'a-Filo spent 2010-11 on a Mormon mission. Eagle scout. Nickname is "X." #NFL

Wolf6151
05-09-2014, 06:37 PM
I would have preferred a trade down, but I love this pick. I'm glad to see the Texans putting an emphasis on adding some beef to this team and the importance of the O-line. This is the way this team should have been built from the beginning.

badboy
05-09-2014, 06:39 PM
Anyone knows if this kid could play RT? He played LT (not very good apparently), is said to be strong and quick with great hands and feet. Sounds like he could be a RT...27th best player on ESPN draftscout and 2nd best OG leave him at LG and allow Quess to play RT.

rmartin65
05-09-2014, 06:39 PM
I really like this pick. XSF is a heck of a player, and should be a long-term solution at guard. I guess he could play RT, but I think he has Pro Bowl potential at OG.

RTP2110
05-09-2014, 06:40 PM
I wonder who saw this coming?

Texans are probably trolling the entire and NFL, and don't even intend to draft a QB. A solid OL will benefit whoever ends up as our QB anyway

steelbtexan
05-09-2014, 06:41 PM
I would have preferred a trade down, but I love this pick. I'm glad to see the Texans putting an emphasis on adding some beef to this team and the importance of the O-line. This is the way this team should have been built from the beginning.

Maybe the Texans are getting it right this time.

Porky
05-09-2014, 06:42 PM
Just upgraded two positions with one pick.

This has BOB written all over it. We can begin to see what kind of team O'Brien wants to put together and I'm all over it like white on rice.

If Kubes is still coach, that pick never happens imo.

LikeMike
05-09-2014, 06:42 PM
Texans are probably trolling the entire and NFL, and don't even intend to draft a QB. A solid OL will benefit whoever ends up as our QB anyway

Really I don`t know if they should draft one. What is the point of drafting one, when you are not convinced he could be your franchise QB. Perhaps there is a QB like that left (Savage, Mettenberger, McCarron, Murray...), most likely there is not. Just try to either get one via trad (like Mallet) or go again next season. Too many good players at other positions left. So far we have 2 surefire starters, let`s get at least 2 more.

Seegara
05-09-2014, 06:44 PM
Good pick. If they hadn't taken an interior offensive lineman or a quarterback, it would have been a disaster. Grade B+.

redwhiteANDblue
05-09-2014, 06:52 PM
We are not going to draft a QB. You heard it here first!

OB has big plans for Keenum. Just get him some decent protection that he didn't have last season. On paper, we have a pretty decent line now that Filo is on board. Also, this time OB will call plays that will work with Keenums strength unlike Kubiak.

:cow:

Bulls on Parade
05-09-2014, 06:56 PM
Just upgraded two positions with one pick.

This has BOB written all over it. We can begin to see what kind of team O'Brien wants to put together and I'm all over it like white on rice.

If Kubes is still coach, that pick never happens imo.
We need a strong running game. If Arian Foster doesn't stay healthy I'm still concerned with our depth. And of course, what kind of quarterback play will we have? Hopefully we target a quarterback and running back in the third and fourth round (two picks). I also wanted a big nose tackle. Maybe those will be our next three picks.

honored82
05-09-2014, 06:59 PM
Xavier Su'a-Filo, OL, UCLA
Hot 100 rank: 27
Su'a-Filo (6-foot-4 1/8, 307 pounds) played some left tackle in 2013, but his best NFL position will be guard. He did not play football in 2010-11 because he was serving on a Mormon mission, but he started all 14 games as a true freshman. He ran the 40 in 4.90 seconds (hand-held) and had 25 strength lifts at the combine.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 07:02 PM
Xavier Su'a-Filo, OL, UCLA
Hot 100 rank: 27
Su'a-Filo (6-foot-4 1/8, 307 pounds) played some left tackle in 2013, but his best NFL position will be guard. He did not play football in 2010-11 because he was serving on a Mormon mission, but he started all 14 games as a true freshman. He ran the 40 in 4.90 seconds (hand-held) and had 25 strength lifts at the combine.
it may not be pretty because of the love of the cheeseburger...but 307lbs moving sub 5.0 is getting hit with a big physics lesson first hand.

HJam72
05-09-2014, 07:02 PM
Xavier Su'a-Filo, OL, UCLA
Hot 100 rank: 27
Su'a-Filo (6-foot-4 1/8, 307 pounds) played some left tackle in 2013, but his best NFL position will be guard. He did not play football in 2010-11 because he was serving on a Mormon mission, but he started all 14 games as a true freshman. He ran the 40 in 4.90 seconds (hand-held) and had 25 strength lifts at the combine.

OK, so if he's really good, this guy gets to marry like 50 women and have 300 kids. Motivation...

Vinny
05-09-2014, 07:05 PM
OK, so if he's really good, this guy gets to marry like 50 women and have 300 kids. Motivation...
and a bonus if he is the offspring of an interracial marriage with the 50 virgins thing

xtruroyaltyx
05-09-2014, 07:06 PM
Texans have made two great picks. I'm very happy right now...

honored82
05-09-2014, 07:08 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000327955/Su-a-Filo-doesn-t-care-what-position-he-plays-in-the-NFL

Texan_Bill
05-09-2014, 07:11 PM
Just curious, who was the dumbass...... The ONE dumbass errrrrrr, contrarian that voted down the pick........ ??

TEXANRED
05-09-2014, 07:13 PM
Love it.

This guy is a beast.
Holy crap where have you been hiding?

amazing80
05-09-2014, 07:16 PM
Good pick. We need some nasty on our oline.

HuttoKarl
05-09-2014, 07:16 PM
I've been screaming for Samoans on this team forever. Best pick ever.

LikeMike
05-09-2014, 07:18 PM
I've been screaming for Samoans on this team forever. Best pick ever.

Shilo Keo?

DocBar
05-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Just upgraded two positions with one pick.

This has BOB written all over it. We can begin to see what kind of team O'Brien wants to put together and I'm all over it like white on rice.

If Kubes is still coach, that pick never happens imo. That's racist!!

Really I don`t know if they should draft one. What is the point of drafting one, when you are not convinced he could be your franchise QB. Perhaps there is a QB like that left (Savage, Mettenberger, McCarron, Murray...), most likely there is not. Just try to either get one via trad (like Mallet) or go again next season. Too many good players at other positions left. So far we have 2 surefire starters, let`s get at least 2 more. I would definitely take Savage, McCarron or Murray at 3.1. That's a straight up value pick and you just might get a FQB and if you don't, no big deal. You didn't mortgage the farm or break the bank with a high round one pick.

We are not going to draft a QB. You heard it here first!

OB has big plans for Keenum. Just get him some decent protection that he didn't have last season. On paper, we have a pretty decent line now that Filo is on board. Also, this time OB will call plays that will work with Keenums strength unlike Kubiak.

:cow:Kinda limits that "flexible" offense BOB wants to run. Why limit it to the spread or the pistol?:kitten:

drs23
05-09-2014, 07:39 PM
Just upgraded two positions with one pick.

This has BOB written all over it. We can begin to see what kind of team O'Brien wants to put together and I'm all over it like white on rice.

If Kubes is still coach, that pick never happens imo.

You can bet Rick Smith wasn't involved in any way. Prolly sent him for coffee... :shades:

edit: went back and read the WHOLE post which I really agree with. :D

chicagotexan2
05-09-2014, 07:43 PM
I'm happy

badboy
05-09-2014, 07:45 PM
A whole gaggle of good players falling....

Vinny
05-09-2014, 07:47 PM
A whole gaggle of good players falling....
this is a more talented draft class than the last few years. We're going to see players who will push starters in the 3rd and 4th round.

badboy
05-09-2014, 07:49 PM
this is a more talented draft class than the last few years. We're going to see players who will push starters in the 3rd and 4th round.
Yep deep is good. I predicted we could select 5 starters.

thunderkyss
05-09-2014, 07:51 PM
leave him at LG and allow Quess to play RT.

Exactly what I was thinking. We've got two, sure fire day 1 starters. Can't wait to see what we do with our next pick.

Vinny
05-09-2014, 08:01 PM
Shilo Keo?
he doesn't have a pot belly...how can he be a Samoan?

BullNation4Life
05-09-2014, 08:03 PM
OB sticking with the Pats blueprint for O-lineman... Big, nasty muthas that will punch you in the mouth then take your mother out for a steak dinner and never call her...

Didn't know much about him but will defiantly research

IDEXAN
05-09-2014, 08:03 PM
If he can be our RT then I'm very happy with the pick, but if he's only going to be able to play inside, that's a waste of the 2.1 as far as I'm concerted because we'be got Quess to play LG.

badboy
05-09-2014, 08:04 PM
Some pretty good corners in Phillip Gaines and Stanley Jean-Baptiste lurking


Dang Saints must have had a mind meld with me.

badboy
05-09-2014, 08:06 PM
If he can be our RT then I'm very happy with the pick, but if he's only going to be able to play inside, that's a waste of the 2.1 as far as I'm concerted because we'be got Quess to play LG.
Quess was a OT and was only a projection to G. He is 6'5 307 with 34 + inch arms

Corrosion
05-09-2014, 08:07 PM
That's racist!!

I would definitely take Savage, McCarron or Murray at 3.1. That's a straight up value pick and you just might get a FQB and if you don't, no big deal. You didn't mortgage the farm or break the bank with a high round one pick.

Kinda limits that "flexible" offense BOB wants to run. Why limit it to the spread or the pistol?:kitten:

Not me , with the next pick I want an OT .... After Mewhort , Richadrson & Moses the talent level drops significantly (at least in my opinion). Have to get Newton out of the starting lineup.

I think you can get Katherine Webb .... Errr AJ McCarron at 4:1 (Or Garappolo).

That said , there are still quite a few guys on the board with 1st round grades by the "media scouts." (Louis Nix , Allen Robinson , Kony Ealy & Morgan Moses).

amazing80
05-09-2014, 08:08 PM
Some pretty good corners in Phillip Gaines and Stanley Jean-Baptiste lurking


Dang Saints must have had a mind meld with me.

Jinked it lol

Porky
05-09-2014, 08:10 PM
If he can be our RT then I'm very happy with the pick, but if he's only going to be able to play inside, that's a waste of the 2.1 as far as I'm concerted because we'be got Quess to play LG.

Quess will likely be moved to RT, or at least tried there and if he doesn't work out, he makes for an excellent swing versatile G/T.

Personally, I think Quess ends up starting at RT. Just an early guess.

badboy
05-09-2014, 08:14 PM
I'm pulling for Ealy #65. QB at 4.1


Dadgum I will shut up now.

The Pencil Neck
05-09-2014, 08:14 PM
I'm pulling for Ealy #65. QB at 4.1

WTG.

Jinxed it.

Uncle Rico
05-09-2014, 08:19 PM
cant really argue with the philosophy, but I cant help but crave a playmaking offensive player considering the health and age of the current leaders on that side of the ball, either that or just keep building up the defense, and then SPLAT! Have a guard.

there's still time I guess.

Filo is a grinder, i'll give him that, im pretty sure he'll grow on me.

badboy
05-09-2014, 08:23 PM
cant really argue with the philosophy, but I cant help but crave a playmaking offensive player considering the health and age of the current leaders on that side of the ball, either that or just keep building up the defense, and then SPLAT! Have a guard.

there's still time I guess.

Filo is a grinder, i'll give him that, im pretty sure he'll grow on me.Curious, isn't AJ the only aged play maker? He is healthy & should play at least two more seasons. I like their philosophy. :good:

Seegara
05-09-2014, 08:31 PM
We are not going to draft a QB. You heard it here first!
You may be right, but we darn well better. We have no one who can even do an adequate job as a starter.

OB has big plans for Keenum. Just get him some decent protection that he didn't have last season. On paper, we have a pretty decent line now that Filo is on board. Also, this time OB will call plays that will work with Keenums strength unlike Kubiak.
Keenum was so panicked under a rush that he would miss a wide open back in the flat. What do you call that? Maybe no guts.

infantrycak
05-09-2014, 08:38 PM
You may be right, but we darn well better. We have no one who can even do an adequate job as a starter.

And anyone we can draft will do better?

PapaL
05-09-2014, 10:17 PM
Walter Football is where I get my scouting reports:
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014xsuafilo.php

Strengths:
Excellent pass-protector
Mirrors speed rushers with ease
Strong base to anchor against bull rushes
Extremely well built
Good speed
Rare mobility, athleticism
Fast for an interior lineman
Quality run-blocker
Tough on the second level
Adept at pulling
Hits blocks on the run
Intelligent
Good technique with hand placement
Good knee bend
Strong hands
Sustains blocks
Durable
Should be able to start immediately
Good at adjusting to blitz pick up
Could play in any offense
Excellent fit for a zone-blocking system
Could play left tackle if needed
Experienced
High floor
Upside

Weaknesses:
Could use a little more power

Player Comparison: Ben Grubbs. Su'a-Filo's game reminds me of Grubbs. Grubbs (6-3, 310) is similar size and both are very athletic for their size. They are quick and agile to defend speed rushers while also being strong enough to get movement in the ground game. After being a first-round pick for the Ravens in 2007, Grubbs has had a good career for Baltimore and New Orleans. Su'a-Filo could turn into a similar Pro Bowl guard in the NFL.

xtruroyaltyx
05-10-2014, 12:05 AM
It's like a completely different team with just four picks. No love these guys. These are the kind of thoroughbreds you win with.

Corrosion
05-10-2014, 01:00 AM
Keenum was so panicked under a rush that he would miss a wide open back in the flat. What do you call that? Maybe no guts.


Keenum's problems were more pre snap than anything else. He didn't recognize coverage and pressure packages before the snap & make the proper adjustments. Even simple concepts like an overload to one side with a 4 man rush befuddled him (4th quarter in KC).

IF he can solve that puzzle (Huge IF) I think he can be successful in the league. The question is , can he figure that out. That's what sets guys like Manning , Brady & Brees apart from the rest of the league - their ability to recognize pre snap reads and take advantage of them.

HuttoKarl
05-10-2014, 04:48 AM
Shilo Keo?

I'm talking Samoans all over the field....Samoan dB's, wr's, o line, d line....the whole lot.

bhsman
05-11-2014, 01:02 PM
Walter Football is where I get my scouting reports:
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014xsuafilo.php

I don't know, guys, he just doesn't seem very good. :kitten:

76Texan
05-11-2014, 06:56 PM
Keenum's problems were more pre snap than anything else. He didn't recognize coverage and pressure packages before the snap & make the proper adjustments. Even simple concepts like an overload to one side with a 4 man rush befuddled him (4th quarter in KC).

IF he can solve that puzzle (Huge IF) I think he can be successful in the league. The question is , can he figure that out. That's what sets guys like Manning , Brady & Brees apart from the rest of the league - their ability to recognize pre snap reads and take advantage of them.

Just want to say that I continue to disagree with this. :)

phantom17
05-11-2014, 07:53 PM
I really like this pick. It's not sexy but should help this year, instead of that crappy predictable OL that had the Texans picking #1 in the draft.:swatter:

thunderkyss
05-11-2014, 09:05 PM
Just want to say that I continue to disagree with this. :)

I will say Keenum would look a lot better with a running game that can pick up 3rd & 2, or 4th & 1 (a very short 1 at that).

We'd have won at least 3 more games.

Giant Tiger
05-11-2014, 09:10 PM
He can probably play G or RT. He stated that he is not sure where he will play for us just now.

Looks like his nickname is X

So we now have X & Q on the OL :yes:

Playoffs
05-12-2014, 05:45 PM
Seth Paynes Deceptively Fast: Sua-Filo The Stout Pear (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/05/12/seth-paynes-deceptively-fast-sua-filo-the-stout-pear/)
Im feeling especially good about Xavier Sua-Filo, who will likely start at left guard this year... Normally Im not this optimistic about offensive linemen contributing immediately. Most of them have awful habits that they can get away with in college, but that kill them in the NFL. Not so with Sua-Filo. Hes not the strongest guy in the world, but he plays with good hands and hips. He is rarely off balance, and is athletic enough to be effective when pulling. He simply looks like an NFL player on film.
...
Sua-Filo has the magnificent physique for an interior offensive lineman that I like to call The Stout Pear. A bottom heavy o-lineman has a lower center of gravity. He can take a punch to the chest and not go down, like a weeble wobble or a pear shaped Terminator.

...Sua-Filos technique and pad level will serve him well in this challenge, and he also has a frame that can easily another 10-15 pounds of bulk...

maddogmrb
05-13-2014, 12:26 PM
Excellent pick. I'm not comfortable with RT yet and they didn't address it in the draft. Hope the "Q" can step in and do the job.

b0ng
05-13-2014, 04:56 PM
im just glad we got more samoans.

far too long we were deficient in the number of samoans we had on our roster which was one of the reasons why we sucked for such a long time.

you must have at least one fat samoan in our roster at all times.

that is a key ingredient in winning.

Who is the fat Samoan on the Seahawks?

htownfan32
05-13-2014, 09:11 PM
Who is the fat Samoan on the Seahawks?

Jesse Williams has parents from the Torres Islands, which is close enough :kitten:

Let's expand and say you need a fat Oceanian.

kiwitexansfan
05-13-2014, 09:27 PM
As an Oceanian, let me say I am ready to bulk up and fill that responsibility for the Texans.

Playoffs
05-13-2014, 09:45 PM
Lance Zierlein had XSF as his #4 rated offensive lineman in the draft...

LZ's O-line Grades, 2014 Draft (http://www.thesidelineview.com/grades/ol)
4. Xavier Su'a Filo UCLA G 6.17
Powerful and nasty. Su'a-Filo features fluid hips and can get around the corner with good quickness when asked to pull and usually finds and hits his target. Will play to and past the whistle. Has the foot quickness and strength to redirect when needed. Tends to get caught up on first man and takes too long to come off and pick up second rusher on twists. Gives up more pressure in pass protection than you want. His ability to move well and play with plus power will make him a late 1st round to early 2nd round target.

drs23
05-31-2014, 11:42 PM
After hearing and reading all I have about X and how superior he'll be to Wade Smith, and I'm sure he's quite the upgrade, it was kind of a buzz kill to read this seemingly well researched and documented take on our second round pick. (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/5/30/5723374/know-the-rookies-xavier-sua-filo)

I'm constantly trying to improve my knowledge of the X's & O's but it seems as this guy is way ahead of me. Duh!

Agree, disagree, indifferent? What do you guys/gals think about this in depth observation and write up?

xtruroyaltyx
06-01-2014, 12:53 AM
After hearing and reading all I have about X and how superior he'll be to Wade Smith, and I'm sure he's quite the upgrade, it was kind of a buzz kill to read this seemingly well researched and documented take on our second round pick. (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/5/30/5723374/know-the-rookies-xavier-sua-filo)

I'm constantly trying to improve my knowledge of the X's & O's but it seems as this guy is way ahead of me. Duh!

Agree, disagree, indifferent? What do you guys/gals think about this in depth observation and write up?


He pointed out some errors. All players have them.

X is a solid player with a chance to be really good. I wouldn't worry too much.

steelbtexan
06-01-2014, 01:13 AM
After hearing and reading all I have about X and how superior he'll be to Wade Smith, and I'm sure he's quite the upgrade, it was kind of a buzz kill to read this seemingly well researched and documented take on our second round pick. (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/5/30/5723374/know-the-rookies-xavier-sua-filo)

I'm constantly trying to improve my knowledge of the X's & O's but it seems as this guy is way ahead of me. Duh!

Agree, disagree, indifferent? What do you guys/gals think about this in depth observation and write up?

He has some of the same problems that Iupati had when he joined the 49ers. (Grabbing and hooking/ being too aggressive and going for the kill shot and missing in the running game.) All he needs is to be coached up like the 49ers did with Iupati. Anything would be an upgrade over Wade Smith.

IDEXAN
06-01-2014, 08:55 AM
After hearing and reading all I have about X and how superior he'll be to Wade Smith, and I'm sure he's quite the upgrade, it was kind of a buzz kill to read this seemingly well researched and documented take on our second round pick. (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/5/30/5723374/know-the-rookies-xavier-sua-filo)

I'm constantly trying to improve my knowledge of the X's & O's but it seems as this guy is way ahead of me. Duh!

Agree, disagree, indifferent? What do you guys/gals think about this in depth observation and write up?
I went thru your linked story pretty quickly (it was quite lengthy), but generally it seemed to be favorable, even highly complimentary in places on the X-man, so I'm not sure what your problems/concerns are about him based on the piece ?
And I would disagree with the author about his claim that everyone has been very worried to the point of being preoccupied with finding somebody to play left guard for us when we all know the biggest concern on the OLine by far has been right tackle ? That's why using the 33rd overall on a guard instead of a tackle (or QB), was a big surprise to me.

otisbean
06-01-2014, 09:18 AM
I understand where you're coming from. I think X was drafted over a RT for 2 reasons 1) he was rated higher than any RT and 2) I wonder if we have our RT on our roster already. I wonder if Newton was playing hurt out of necessity last year and the staff knows it. Or, Quessenbury is the guy they want at RT

Playoffs
06-01-2014, 10:29 AM
He pointed out some errors. All players have them...
Yep, and there's not many other "softer" landing spots for a rookie G than between Duane Brown and Chris Myers.

TheRealJoker
06-01-2014, 01:38 PM
Yep, and there's not many other "softer" landing spots for a rookie G than between Duane Brown and Chris Myers.

Exactly. X is a first round Og talent sandwiched between 2 pro bowl Olineman. He will improve their play from last season and they will help him transition to the pro game.

Very excited about our Oline!

drs23
06-01-2014, 05:04 PM
He has some of the same problems that Iupati had when he joined the 49ers. (Grabbing and hooking/ being too aggressive and going for the kill shot and missing in the running game.) All he needs is to be coached up like the 49ers did with Iupati. Anything would be an upgrade over Wade Smith.

I can certainly see that and agree. I probably phrased my initial post incorrectly as it wasn't my intent to sound alarmist at all. I dig the pick and see where O'Brien is with this retool/remodel/rebuild. I think it's smart sound decision making setting this team up solidly for the long haul.

Now it we can just capture some Pixie Dust at the QB slot I think that most on here would agree the Texans will be set to be very competitive for years to come. (As long as they draft as soundly as this year to reload/keep adding talent)

I went thru your linked story pretty quickly (it was quite lengthy), but generally it seemed to be favorable, even highly complimentary in places on the X-man, so I'm not sure what your problems/concerns are about him based on the piece ?
And I would disagree with the author about his claim that everyone has been very worried to the point of being preoccupied with finding somebody to play left guard for us when we all know the biggest concern on the OLine by far has been right tackle ? That's why using the 33rd overall on a guard instead of a tackle (or QB), was a big surprise to me.

See steelb's post and my response above.

steelbtexan
06-01-2014, 05:39 PM
Pixie dust would be cool.

The Texans org is due for a lot of luck.

Luck is by and large a product of hard work and hopefully BOB is the man for the job.

76Texan
06-01-2014, 05:43 PM
In my amateur eyes, I like him maybe better than Brooks or at least the same.
I do like his potential more than Jones or Caldwell.

I was with Three toe peed on Iupati.
I'm not quite as high on X.

On my amateur grading scale, I like where each of them were drafted.

I think he's gonna do well.
He should do better than Jones in the long term, but I won't be surprised if Jones get the nod to start the year.

Or perhaps they can spell each other as needed.

Playoffs
06-11-2014, 06:46 PM
http://houseofhouston.com/2014/05/16/talking-xavier-sua-filo-go-joe-bruin/
To discuss everything Xavier Su’a-Filo is Mike W.R. from Go Joe Bruin (http://gojoebruin.com/). Mike is the editor at Go Joe Bruin, a FanSided site talking all things UCLA Bruins. Mike will enlighten us on what to expect from Su’a-Filo and hopefully quash all your concerns regarding some question marks.

Yoni Pollak
This conversation is a part of a series of conversations I am doing with other blogs about their college players being drafted by the Texans.

I'm joined Mike W.R. who is the editor of gojoebruin.com, a Fansided site dedicated to all things UCLA.

Thank you for joining me Mike.

Several Texans fans were aiming for other players at #33 other than Su'a-Filo. Tell Texans fans why they should be excited for Su'a-Filo?
Mike W.R.
Thank you very much, Yoni. Glad to be here. Well...

Never judge a book by it's cover, and just as well, do not judge Xavier Su'a-Filo by his size. He may look small, but there is a lot of grit, heart and leadership in him. Su'a-Filo is a player the entire UCLA Bruin fan base depended on and he never disappointed.

One of the things about UCLA is that they have had a very shaky O-line for several years. Even last year when they had depth, they still managed to catch the injury bug. Su'A-Filo, despite all that, started every single game.

The only draw back to having so many injuries was that he was used to help out those positions lacking depth, mostly at left guard and left tackle. For Su'a-Filo, that was an advantage. Although he is slated to play left guard, that knowledge has helped him to be a leader and help out others at those various line positions.

Last season as a junior, he was one of the oldest and most experienced offensive lineman. Last year was his fifth removed from high school. He had taken two years off after his freshman year for a LDS mission and with that he matured. Upon his return to UCLA, he was a player everyone looked up to. Plain and simple, he is a leader.

Here is a fact Texans fans might not know: Xavier Su'a-Filo was UCLA's offensive MVP last year. Even with Brett Hundley, who was running the offense and breaking records left and right for the Bruins, none of it could have happened with out Su'a-Filo.

Yoni Pollak
That's pretty exciting to hear. So the Texans do plan on using him at LG, at least that's what it sounds like they're doing. Do you think that's his best position, or is he better at a different spot?

Mike W.R.
Experience-wise, that is his position. Su'a-Filo owns it! He has played the "blindside" left tackle spot, but is sort of limited with his size. He did well in college, but the lack of length or height might hurt his game, especially going up against the bigger, faster defensemen of the NFL. Right now, with his talent and strength, he is best utilized at the left guard spot.

Yoni Pollak
Is there anything to be worried about that he spent two years away from football on a mission? At 23, he's a bit old for an underclassmen.

Mike W.R.
Definitely. There is always that worry about a player going backward or stalling in production. The two years took away from being consistently in top shape, especially with spring camps, fall camps and off-season workouts. The good news is, that was over two years ago and he has built himself back into, well, a high second round draft pick.

Yoni Pollak
Glad to hear that.

Who do you think Su'a-Filo compares to in the NFL?

Mike W.R.
That is a tough one for me because I do not follow the NFL as closely as I do college football. It is definitely not a glamour position, but it is important. Su'a-Filo knows this and has made it his mission to be the best he can and at UCLA, that is all he did. He is strong, has great feet and excellent in run blocking. Sorry about not naming a NFL O-lineman.

Yoni Pollak
Ha, no problem. From what we've been hearing, Su'a-Filo can be a starter for the next 10-15 years, which would be excellent value at #33. Do you think Su'a-Filo can be a Pro Bowl tackle? What type of O-Line scheme is he better fit for?

Mike W.R.
He can definitely be a Pro Bowler (if it continues to exist)! He just seems to get better and better and accepts nothing less. In the up-tempo system that UCLA has utilized the past two seasons, the line had to be solid and agile in order for the offense to go, go, go!. The Bruins were fast last year, so that is something Su'a-Filo will flourish with. At the same time, he has learned to adapt to different schemes.

Late last season, the Bruins started to use a "power package" with defenders playing offense. This was nothing but a smash-mouth type of formation which UCLA wrecked defenses with. It seemed for Su'a-Filo, it was just another play.

Yoni Pollak
Great! Hopefully looking forward to seeing Su'a-Filo flourish for many years to come in a Texans uniform.

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 09:49 AM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
The Xavier Su-a-Filo era has begun! The Xavier Su-a-Filo era has begun!!!! #OLinePorn #StartingLG

LZ momentarily goes all fanboy on X. :fans:

speedfreek
06-18-2014, 10:05 AM
Well..

"Jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and Su'a-Filo gumbo
'Cause tonight I'm gonna see my ma cher amio
...
Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou."

xtruroyaltyx
06-18-2014, 10:14 AM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein


LZ momentarily goes all fanboy on X. :fans:

Well that answers some questions I had...

Playoffs
06-18-2014, 10:23 AM
Well..

"Jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and Su'a-Filo gumbo
'Cause tonight I'm gonna see my ma cher amio
...
Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou."

Well played. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jo4datPBCI)

Carr Bombed
08-28-2014, 10:28 PM
Okay, honestly.. After watching this guy play during camp and during preseason, how do you feel about the pick now?

I have to admit, with the 33rd pick, first pick in the second round, I'm starting to feel they royally screwed up here. I've been watching this kid and NOTHING he does pops off the screen and says "that's why you took him 33rd ovrl..a guard". Nothing that is worth the first pick in the second round or anything that resembles a special player at his position (which is what you should see right off the bat with a guard taken that high).

I hope this guy works out, but so far I'm not seeing it..

badboy
08-28-2014, 10:39 PM
Okay, honestly.. After watching this guy play during camp and during preseason, how do you feel about the pick now?

I have to admit, with the 33rd pick, first pick in the second round, I'm starting to feel they royally screwed up here. I've been watching this kid and NOTHING he does pops off the screen and says "that's why you took him 33rd ovrl..a guard". Nothing that is worth the first pick in the second round or anything that resembles a special player at his position (which is what you should see right off the bat with a guard taken that high).

I hope this guy works out, but so far I'm not seeing it..Until he gets his NFL feet under him, he needs to be left at Guard and leave OT alone. He should be fine between Brown and Myers next game.

xtruroyaltyx
08-28-2014, 10:59 PM
I don't want to overreact. I liked the pick. I'll give him more time, but his pass pro sucks bad. He cannot play tackle.

Now I'm feeling like we should've moved back for more picks and taken jimmy g, but x still has a bunch of time to improve.

Carr Bombed
08-28-2014, 11:02 PM
Until he gets his NFL feet under him, he needs to be left at Guard and leave OT alone. He should be fine between Brown and Myers next game.

My criticsm isn't even about his attempt to play tackle tonight, I think his play at guard hasn't been worth his draft position. I haven't been impressed at all.

Texan in Japan
08-28-2014, 11:11 PM
Well, let's try and be a bit more objective. He missed quite a bit of time because of school and then we've played him at both guard spots and tackle. He's probably a bit overwhelmed at this point and is thinking more than playing.

I liked the pick because Lord knows we needed help on the line, he needs more time to adjust and some time to work at his craft.

badboy
08-28-2014, 11:32 PM
I don't want to overreact. I liked the pick. I'll give him more time, but his pass pro sucks bad. He cannot play tackle.

Now I'm feeling like we should've moved back for more picks and taken jimmy g, but x still has a bunch of time to improve.
He was not drafted to play OT although eventually he might be able to. Would have rather seen him get all his reps at LG. I am not concerned.

Carr Bombed
08-28-2014, 11:57 PM
Well, let's try and be a bit more objective. He missed quite a bit of time because of school and then we've played him at both guard spots and tackle. He's probably a bit overwhelmed at this point and is thinking more than playing.

I liked the pick because Lord knows we needed help on the line, he needs more time to adjust and some time to work at his craft.

That's what you say about mid level players drafted at their position, but when you spend that high of a pick on a player at guard, you expect a ass kicker, because guards aren't normally drafted that high to begin with.. and when you do, you expect a lot more. (compare the number of tackles that come off the board that high to the number of guards that came off the board at that spot in recent years.

At the position he plays and at position that he was drafted he should be plug and play player. A instant factor that has pro bowl potential in the future.

Carr Bombed
08-29-2014, 12:06 AM
He was not drafted to play OT although eventually he might be able to. Would have rather seen him get all his reps at LG. I am not concerned.

Again, it is his reps at guard that has me concerned. They stuck him at tackle tonight out of necessity, not because they actually expect him to start there.

Maybe one day he'll develop into a solid guard.. but even if he does I find it hard to believe he'll, ever be worth where he was drafted.

badboy
08-29-2014, 12:06 AM
That's what you say about mid level players drafted at their position, but when you spend that high of a pick on a player at guard, you expect a ass kicker, because guards aren't normally drafted that high to begin with.. and when you do, you expect a lot more. (compare the number of tackles that come off the board that high to the number of guards that came off the board at that spot in recent years.

At the position he plays and at position that he was drafted he should be plug and play player. A instant factor that has pro bowl potential in the future.And some of us think Filo will be just that. Let's not forget that Duane Brown draft #26 had some problems his first two seasons and has done fairly well. Either of us could be right but here I am a glass 3/4 full guy.

Carr Bombed
08-29-2014, 12:42 AM
And some of us think Filo will be just that. Let's not forget that Duane Brown draft #26 had some problems his first two seasons and has done fairly well. Either of us could be right but here I am a glass 3/4 full guy.

Duane Brown was a tackle.. which was why I brought up the tackle vs guard draft value argument.

Duane Brown was a first round pick, but how many players went in front of him? {and he still went late in the first round?

Xavier Su'a-Filo OG was what, the second guard taken and he went with the first pick in the second round or the draft? little value at that spot unless you are all world. Which suggests we over drafted him severely.

Also people overestimate "the problems Duane had", most his problems were due to building/ lack of stamina and the speed of the game" (which is why Ephraim Salaam was signed.. and it didn't take him years to start over Salaam.)

Ephraim Salaam started a total of 0 games after Duane was drafted. Played in 13 games Duane's rookie year,

badboy
08-29-2014, 12:55 AM
Duane Brown was a tackle.. which was why I brought up the tackle vs guard draft value argument.

Duane Brown was a first round pick, but how many players went in front of him and he still went in the first round? A lot.

Xavier Su'a-Filo OG was what, the second guard taken and he went with the first pick in second pick in the draft? little value at that spot unless you are all world. Which suggests we over drafted him severely.

Also people overestimate "the problems Duane had", most his problems were due to building/ lack of stamina and the speed of the game" (which is why Ephraim Salaam was signed.. and it didn't take him years to start over Salaam.)

Ephraim Salaam started a total of 4 games after Duane was drafted.
not discounting your points just think Brown and X needed/will need some work. I think Sua'Filo will lock up the LG from game one and fills a dire need spot. IMO there was not a better OT or OG available at #33 and remember most of us were hopeful Quessenbury would move to his natural position of OT. Now if you want to argue Garoppolo would have been a better selection in a trade up, I'd agree but Texans I think thought he'd be there at 65 going instead 62.

dream_team
08-29-2014, 01:09 AM
X had a horrible game tonight. He was getting constantly beat... both in pass pro and run blocking. That doesn't mean it's time to give up on him and call him a bust. Extremely way too early for that.

If we gave all of our lineman that same short leash, then Duane, Myers, and Brandon would be on other teams right now.

thunderkyss
08-29-2014, 05:58 AM
They've had him at guard, center, & tackle. I Don't Know If That's because they see something special about his versatility or if they're trying to find something he is good at.

But I agree with CarBombed nothing jumps out & says this kid is going to be special. However, the way they've moved him around hasn't done him any favors

LikeMike
08-29-2014, 06:06 AM
There was only 1 first round guard I actually paid attention to before and that was Iupati (who was rumored to be our guy for some time). He was considered the best guard to come out of college in a long time. He struggled a lot his first games. Lots of penalties and several times he got beat.

What I am going at? Give Sua Filo some time. Even if you are a highly talented guard you need to adjust to playing against way stronger and way faster guys in the NFL. Him struggling now doesn't mean he sucks, it just means he is in that adjustment period. We won't know if it was a good pick until at least game 8, maybe we won't know until next season.

Remember how fans thought about Myers? Brown? What about other positions? KJ?

Let's not call people busts in the preseason - especially not the ones that play at positions, where the adjustment period is pretty difficult.

thunderkyss
08-29-2014, 08:16 AM
Let's not call people busts in the preseason - especially not the ones that play at positions, where the adjustment period is pretty difficult.

Saying a guy doesn't look like he was worthy of the 3rd overall pick isn't the same as calling him a bust.

IDEXAN
08-29-2014, 08:25 AM
That's what you say about mid level players drafted at their position, but when you spend that high of a pick on a player at guard, you expect a ass kicker, because guards aren't normally drafted that high to begin with.. and when you do, you expect a lot more. (compare the number of tackles that come off the board that high to the number of guards that came off the board at that spot in recent years.

At the position he plays and at position that he was drafted he should be plug and play player. A instant factor that has pro bowl potential in the future.

You know I agree with all of that, and another thing is that we are so used to seeing interior OLinemen taken in late rounds or even as undrafted rookie prospects so many years here by Kubiak because his ZBS doesn't call for that power-type road-grader that other more man-oriented offensive-line schemes call for and often pay a premium for. And the 33rd overall is certainly a high pick, a very high pick, virtually a late 1st round pick in this strong Draft.
But I've seen quite a bit of tape on this guy from college, and he is an impressive and very physical run-blocker and he missed a ton of time because of that quarter system at UCLA. I think it's far too soon to grade him and his performance in this system.

PapaL
08-29-2014, 08:46 AM
Guess we should be glad we didn't draft Greg Robinson to play LG as he currently is in StL. After all the #2 pick is struggling as well.

Hervoyel
08-29-2014, 09:32 AM
X will be fine. He's still a puppy and he's learning.

He's really the least of our concerns right now.

HOU-TEX
08-29-2014, 09:36 AM
Throwing 5 positions at a rookie can't be a good thing. Short term, anyway

Love his run blocking, but like has already been said, his pass pro isn't just bad.....it's laughable at times

Honoring Earl 34
08-29-2014, 09:36 AM
I think it was Chester Pitts who said what the Texans are doing is creating flexibility . Guys are learning different things so they game plan strategically .

Playoffs
08-29-2014, 01:31 PM
XSF quotes... (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Texans-vs-49ers/5b24c8d9-022f-43d8-a198-6b07ed008f64)
(on what he learned tonight) A lot. Playing tackle is a little different than guard. It was good to go against a few different rushers because things are different. I saw different angles and used my hands differently. I have to continue to build on it.

(on if playing tackle helps him at guard) I think so. Overall, just seeing the scheme of the defense and seeing what rushers are where and what packages they are using. It just helps my awareness.

(on how much he expects to play in Week 1) Im not sure. Thats a great question. I just have to come ready next week and see what the coaches want me to do. Ill see what they have for me and Ill be prepared.

(on if its hard switching back and forth between guard and tackle) It is sometimes. The mindset is the same, but you have to be a lot more patient at tackle as far as pass protection goes. Coaches do a good job of moving me around, so I really just need to continue to work on my technique and fundamentals.

(on if he is prepared for the regular season) I think through camp I have learned a lot. I have been able to progress. Its my first time, but I feel prepared and hopefully, I capitalize on it.

(on if Duane Brown helps him at left tackle) No doubt. After every series he tells me to make sure I do certain things and look out for certain things. Its just little pointers that I really appreciate from a veteran guy like him.

(on learning more throughout the regular season) Here in this league you have to retain information quick and know information quick. You have to know the game plan and when your number is called, no matter where it is, you have to be ready to come in and do your job.

(on his experience playing left tackle) I played a little bit in college. I also played a little against Arizona and got some good reps there. I would say I have played it a fair amount.

(on trying to comprehend everything going on) Im trying to get to the point where I can work on one or two things and concentrate on those and be consistent at them. I think that consistency for me is being able to get information quick and being able to adjust on the run and do it good.

(on difference between veterans and rookies) I think as the regular season starts, Im going to see a lot of different vets and how they operate. The preseason is over, well be able to see how they prepare for a regular season opponent and Ill be able to learn and piggyback off that and I think be able to just start to do things more professionally.

ObsiWan
08-30-2014, 11:19 AM
I just hope the let the youngster settle in at guard and get his game legs under him.

Playoffs
08-30-2014, 11:23 AM
X will be fine. He's still a puppy and he's learning.

He's really the least of our concerns right now.

Yep.

X is in good company rookie OTs showing poorly early, rated 127th out of 141 OTs in the preseason by PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/):

130 Greg Robinson SL
131 Justin Britt SEA
135 Jake Matthews ATL
138 Cyrus Kouandjio BUF

Rates a bit higher as an OG and that'll be his position imo. I expect him to be developed into a top tier G, like Brandon Brooks, but takes time. Needs to get an NFL body.

EllisUnit
08-30-2014, 11:36 AM
Duane Brown was a tackle.. which was why I brought up the tackle vs guard draft value argument.

Duane Brown was a first round pick, but how many players went in front of him? {and he still went late in the first round?

Xavier Su'a-Filo OG was what, the second guard taken and he went with the first pick in the second round or the draft? little value at that spot unless you are all world. Which suggests we over drafted him severely.

Also people overestimate "the problems Duane had", most his problems were due to building/ lack of stamina and the speed of the game" (which is why Ephraim Salaam was signed.. and it didn't take him years to start over Salaam.)

Ephraim Salaam started a total of 0 games after Duane was drafted. Played in 13 games Duane's rookie year,

I am not going to judge X on how well he played OT this preseason. As a Guard i think he will be fine, pretty sure they were getting different people reps in a lot of places. O'brien said he wants everyone to be able to play anywhere.

HouTx11
08-30-2014, 03:51 PM
HT now tweeting that his jersey # has been changed to #71.

ObsiWan
08-30-2014, 03:56 PM
So is he going to start at RG or what?

LikeMike
08-30-2014, 04:01 PM
So is he going to start at RG or what?

Isn't Brooks the clear cut starter at RG? I think he fights with Jones for the LG spot.

vupac1
08-30-2014, 04:06 PM
Isn't Brooks the clear cut starter at RG? I think he fights with Jones for the LG spot.

I predict the alternating series approach with Jones and X... I've always felt Jones looked better with limited snaps, he tends to get exposed with overusage. Hopefully X develops quickly with his reps