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LikeMike
05-02-2014, 07:11 AM
IŽve had this poll in february, but IŽve got a feeling the results will be quite different this time around. Back then it went like this:

Clowney DE 23 21.90%
Mack OLB 3 2.86%
Bridgewater QB 40 38.10%
Manziel QB 16 15.24%
Bortles QB 6 5.71%
Watkins WR 3 2.86%
Matthews OT 4 3.81%
Robinson OT 10 9.52%

Let`s see who you`d take now, that the draft is just around the corner.

NastyNate
05-02-2014, 08:06 AM
I still think Mack is the best fit for the Texans.

LikeMike
05-02-2014, 08:16 AM
I still think Mack is the best fit for the Texans.

I don`t disagree with the best fit. I just disagree with the spot. If we want Mack we should trade back. Yeah, some have him going 3d to Jacksonville, but right now I think there are only 2 scenarios in which we should stay put: either we are in love with Clowney, because most scouts consider him the best player in the draft and maybe even one of the best player of the last 5 years. Or we are in love with Manziel.

If we want any other player we should just trade back, even if it is not the best trade. There probably is not much difference to us between guys like Robinson, Matthews, Mack and Watkins. All have the potential to become the best at their respected position and all have a pretty nice floor as well. Plus Bortles or Manziel might be there, and there always is the outside chance at Clowney.

Number19
05-02-2014, 08:29 AM
I've been on board with Mack since early on. Perfect fit for Crennel's defense.

kingtexan
05-02-2014, 08:54 AM
Went with Clowney, but would rather they trade down.

If they get Clowney, JFF, Mack, or Matthews at 1.0 I wouldn't be mad ... maybe even Watkins.

Marcus
05-02-2014, 10:27 AM
I didn't vote because none of them fit the spot. Trading back is the only one I'd be happy with.

htowntexans1985
05-02-2014, 10:49 AM
IF clowney becomes Watt 2.0, this defense will be reminiscent of San Fran with the Smith's. We need a Luck stopper. Pick Clowney.

Corrosion
05-02-2014, 01:09 PM
Mack is probably the best fit

Clowney the "best athlete"

CJ Mosley the "best football player"

Manziel presents the biggest upside at a need position.

Robinson the safest pick.


I cant vote , I like them all .... for one reason or another.

mussop
05-02-2014, 01:16 PM
Clowney and Robinson are the two best players in this draft. I picked Robinson because I think he is a safer pick than Clowney and OL tend to play longer. I don't give a dam that we have Brown. Robinson would be better served starting off at RT for a year anyway. We would instantly become a dominate run team. What better way to bring along a young QB than put him behind a great OL?

Having said that I would love to get Clowney. If we do I'm looking forward to seeing Watt and Clowney making Luck their beyatch.

Corrosion
05-02-2014, 01:51 PM
Clowney and Robinson are the two best players in this draft. I picked Robinson because I think he is a safer pick than Clowney and OL tend to play longer. I don't give a dam that we have Brown. Robinson would be better served starting off at RT for a year anyway. We would instantly become a dominate run team. What better way to bring along a young QB than put him behind a great OL?

Having said that I would love to get Clowney. If we do I'm looking forward to seeing Watt and Clowney making Luck their beyatch.

Several months ago I was chastised for going with Matthews as my #1 pick, people saying that you don't spend a #1 overall pick on a RT.

What those people fail to realize is that Brown isn't going to be around forever , <insert rookie OT here> gets his feet wet at RT and once Brown is gone moves to LT and in the mean time you likely have the best tackle tandem in the league.


Thing for me is , we have so damn many holes that must be filled , I could justify a half dozen players taken in the first round this season (maybe not at 1:1).

Clowney & Watt .... could be the best DE tandem in the NFL.

CJ Mosley & Cushing would instantly be one of the top ILB duo's in the game.

Robinson & Brown a top tackle tandem , keeping whoever is playing QB clean.

Watkins (or Evans), #80 and Hopkins ..... how do you cover that trio ?!

Aaron Donald next to Watt .... tough to stop.

Mack is a dynamic player , instant upgrade to the LB corps , play him inside or out.

Johnny Bottled Water - Solves the QB problem. I think any of the three can be successful on this team pending RT is addressed with an early pick.

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2014, 01:55 PM
I'm still on the Watkins bandwagon. I think he's the best player in this draft and that he'll be the best pro.

If not Watkins, I'd prefer to trade back, then Robinson, then Clowney, then Mack.

Manziel wouldn't even be on my board and it's looking like Bridgewater is a later round draft choice... which is just bizarre considering where he started.

Texian
05-02-2014, 01:58 PM
No surprise here, as long as Texans are sans .500+ QB, then it's still: BLAKE BORTLES

ObsiWan
05-02-2014, 02:33 PM
IŽve had this poll in february, but IŽve got a feeling the results will be quite different this time around. Back then it went like this:

Clowney DE 23 21.90%
Mack OLB 3 2.86%
Bridgewater QB 40 38.10%
Manziel QB 16 15.24%
Bortles QB 6 5.71%
Watkins WR 3 2.86%
Matthews OT 4 3.81%
Robinson OT 10 9.52%

Let`s see who you`d take now, that the draft is just around the corner.
I'm still singing the "fix the damn OL" mantra. Robinson is still my pick.

Immo call you out though.
:cowboy1:

Without a trade back voting option, this poll is incomplete.
A lot of us would vote that way and both the GM, the HC, and the owner have all said that's definitely on the table.
So Y U no Have dat one??

kingtexan
05-02-2014, 02:51 PM
No surprise here, as long as Texans are sans .500+ QB, then it's still: BLAKE BORTLES

:toropalm:

Trap_Star
05-02-2014, 03:02 PM
Mack is going to be an absolute beast that teams fear...He'll make a better tandem with Watt than Clowney.

LikeMike
05-02-2014, 03:03 PM
I'm still singing the "fix the damn OL" mantra. Robinson is still my pick.

Immo call you out though.
:cowboy1:

Without a trade back voting option, this poll is incomplete.
A lot of us would vote that way and both the GM, the HC, and the owner have all said that's definitely on the table.
So Y U no Have dat one??

Because a trade back only works, when you have a team to trade with. And a trade back option is far from acurate. Perhaps it means we are trading with the Falcons for their 1, 2, 3 and next years first. Perhaps it is with them for their first and second and nothing else - heck, perhaps it is with the Patriots. So while most people would probably alright with the first trade, they might hate another trade back scenario.

So this poll is for the scenario, where no team is willing to do an acceptable trade with us (which is also the most probable scenario).

My rankings for the #1 pick would look something like this:

1. Clowney
2. Robinson
3. Manziel
4. Bridgewater
5. Mack
6. Matthews
7. Watkins
8. Bortles

NastyNate
05-02-2014, 03:54 PM
No surprise here, as long as Texans are sans .500+ QB, then it's still: BLAKE BORTLES

That piece of grammatical jargon hurts my head.

http://michaellogutov.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/you-keep-using-that-word.jpg

bah007
05-02-2014, 04:35 PM
I can't help but laugh at the idea that a player is "worth" the #3 pick but not "worth" the #1 pick.

The player's "worth" is a fabrication created by the fans and media, both of which know nothing of what is going on in the offices of NFL teams. We all admit that this is lying season and nobody can be trusted, but we choose to believe whatever we hear about where teams have certain players valued.

If you have a guy rated as your #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2014, 05:07 PM
I can't help but laugh at the idea that a player is "worth" the #3 pick but not "worth" the #1 pick.

The player's "worth" is a fabrication created by the fans and media, both of which know nothing of what is going on in the offices of NFL teams. We all admit that this is lying season and nobody can be trusted, but we choose to believe whatever we hear about where teams have certain players valued.

If you have a guy rated as your #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.

Yes.

OR.

Instead of YOU... THEY have a guy rated as THEIR #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.

I had this same problem with Dallas taking that Center last year. Everyone was shaking their heads, how stupid is Jerry Jones, he could have drafted that guy in the 3rd round. But if no one expected Jerry Jones to draft that guy in the first, how do they know that there weren't several other teams thinking about drafting him in the next few spots? They don't.... WE don't.

bah007
05-02-2014, 05:24 PM
Yes.

OR.

Instead of YOU... THEY have a guy rated as THEIR #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.

I had this same problem with Dallas taking that Center last year. Everyone was shaking their heads, how stupid is Jerry Jones, he could have drafted that guy in the 3rd round. But if no one expected Jerry Jones to draft that guy in the first, how do they know that there weren't several other teams thinking about drafting him in the next few spots? They don't.... WE don't.

I'm still laughing at this a year later. Dallas got killed for that and it couldn't have worked out better for them.

Frederick was rated as the consensus #1 Center by the media. But he was only "worth" a 3rd rounder because he ran slow at the combine.

Dallas wants Frederick. They trade down from #18 to #31 and they still get him. Not only that, but by trading down they acquire the pick that they use on Terrance Williams.

Williams has a solid rookie year and is in position to be the team's #2 WR this year. Frederick has a great year and is named to the league's All Rookie team. But, yeah, he was a "reach" and wasn't "worth" the #31 selection.

Lucky
05-02-2014, 06:19 PM
I still believe Clowney is the most "talented" player in this draft. And I still believe Bridgewater would have the biggest impact on this Texans team. So my "#1 choice" would be to trade down, pickup extra picks in 2014 and 2015, and take Teddy Bridgewater.

FirstTexansFan
05-03-2014, 03:38 PM
I'm sticking with what I've said, and now that we're closer to that happening, putting it back out there. Trade down is my first choice, Clowney is my second option, but if the Texans go QB, there is only once choice, and it's clearly Manziel, anything less is uncivilized :)

badboy
05-03-2014, 04:05 PM
if Manziel is the guy I want him to get an ice tea commercial with him falling backwards into a swimming pool. signed Dandy

Texn4life
05-03-2014, 05:09 PM
I picked Manziel for the poll even though I now believe its not gonna happen. I could get with the Clowney pick or Mack if we were able to trade down which I don't think is gonna happen either.

Clowney or Manziel both bring some life back into the franchise which is desparately needed at this point. I just get the feeling Manziel and the Jags will torture us for years if we pass. They've upgraded their roster quite a bit while we're losing guys.

thunderkyss
05-03-2014, 10:50 PM
Yes.

OR.

Instead of YOU... THEY have a guy rated as THEIR #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.


They are going to get soooo boooed.... uh, the fans will boo when they select whoever. They're in a no win situation.

TheMatrix31
05-04-2014, 02:22 AM
If Mack is the guy we want, and he's got the relentless motor that we need, and nobody wants to trade up with us then I don't care, he has to be taken #1.

Scooter
05-04-2014, 02:48 AM
my opinion hasnt changed since the college season ended. i want matthews. an elite talent on the line that will start day 1. not only would he start immediately, he'd do so anywhere on the line. some see that as a negative, saying he'd be better here or there, or more suited to a lesser valued position. to me that's a highlight, much like his father. belichick has many qualities, but his singularly best coaching attribute is that he identifies and makes the most of matchups to his favor. having a belichick disciple at head coach, we may see a similar way of thinking - like seen with the line (especially mankins) and skill positions. we could move matthews to guard to take on geno atkins in one round of the playoffs and to tackle to play against suggs in the next round.

i take matthews first overall and make him a lifer. if i can get away with a trade involving the browns or falcons with certainty that he'll be available, i take it in a heartbeat.

robinson may be the bigger potential pick on the line, but i'm having trouble weighing his exceptional talent being used at right tackle to the complete package matthews brings. i wouldn't turn down either one (i'd jump for joy if either name was called), but i would take the "A everywhere" pick instead of "probably A+ tackle" pick.

beerlover
05-04-2014, 02:49 AM
Welcome to Mr. Robinson's neighborhood :overreact:

Solidify the O-Line then get your QB & play some power football.

Wolf6151
05-04-2014, 03:09 AM
Welcome to Mr. Robinson's neighborhood :overreact:

Solidify the O-Line then get your QB & play some power football.


I think it was BB suggested Robinson at #1 overall 2-3 months ago and at that time I was against it because I think a good RT can be found in the 2nd-4th rounds. I still think a good RT can be found later, but if you want to take the safe route and select the player with the least amount of bust potential that still fills a team need Robinson is your man. If a trade down isn't available, I'd have no problem with the Texans taking Robinson.

Corrosion
05-04-2014, 04:09 AM
I think it was BB suggested Robinson at #1 overall 2-3 months ago and at that time I was against it because I think a good RT can be found in the 2nd-4th rounds. I still think a good RT can be found later, but if you want to take the safe route and select the player with the least amount of bust potential that still fills a team need Robinson is your man. If a trade down isn't available, I'd have no problem with the Texans taking Robinson.

I made the suggestion of Matthews several months back and was met with that same resistance.

Thing most don't take into consideration is that Brown likely wont play beyond a rookies prime years , that player , be it Robinson or Matthews would then be primed to take over the LT spot. That player would likely be in or starting his second contract by that time where he makes big $$ , moving him to LT and finding another solution to RT makes sense there (pending he's capable of playing LT).

LikeMike
05-04-2014, 07:28 AM
So, 4 more days? The good thing is: IŽd probably be excited no matter who we pick. I like all 8 of the prospects IŽve included in this poll and I like trading down. Sure, IŽd be a little disappointed if we select someone like Bortles, Watkins or Matthews first overall, but that would only be because I think, we could get them a couple of spots later as well (or someone just as good as them).

I guess IŽd be most excited about Manziel - that would be a swing for the fences. Those first games with him would be crazy. He could be a star or he could be a bust, but he won`t be boring.

IŽd be most satisfied with Clowney, simply because everyone has him as the best player in the draft.

IŽd be most relieved with Robinson, since that would be the smart thing to do. With a real RT we`d have made the playoffs last season, I am sure of that. Robinson would fix our line problems for years to come and would be the successor of Brown.

IŽd be most surprised with Bridgewater. I like him the most of all the QBs, but his stock seems to have falles so much, that I don`t think we should take him first overall. IŽd be stoked however if we could get him in the second or with a trade up to the end of the first.

Grams
05-04-2014, 07:47 AM
Mack or Robinson or Matthews or Watkins - we need any one of these badly.

Not a Clowney fan.

And if a QB is not going to start day 1, then we do not need to use the 1st pick of the draft on one.

ObsiWan
05-04-2014, 08:10 AM
my opinion hasnt changed since the college season ended. i want matthews. an elite talent on the line that will start day 1. not only would he start immediately, he'd do so anywhere on the line. some see that as a negative, saying he'd be better here or there, or more suited to a lesser valued position. to me that's a highlight, much like his father. belichick has many qualities, but his singularly best coaching attribute is that he identifies and makes the most of matchups to his favor. having a belichick disciple at head coach, we may see a similar way of thinking - like seen with the line (especially mankins) and skill positions. we could move matthews to guard to take on geno atkins in one round of the playoffs and to tackle to play against suggs in the next round.

i take matthews first overall and make him a lifer. if i can get away with a trade involving the browns or falcons with certainty that he'll be available, i take it in a heartbeat.

robinson may be the bigger potential pick on the line, but i'm having trouble weighing his exceptional talent being used at right tackle to the complete package matthews brings. i wouldn't turn down either one (i'd jump for joy if either name was called), but i would take the "A everywhere" pick instead of "probably A+ tackle" pick.
Welcome to my world.
:D

IDEXAN
05-04-2014, 10:02 AM
Mack or Robinson or Matthews or Watkins - we need any one of these badly.

Not a Clowney fan.

And if a QB is not going to start day 1, then we do not need to use the 1st pick of the draft on one.
We already have a "franchise" LT and a "franchise" #1 WR.

The Pencil Neck
05-04-2014, 01:29 PM
We already have a "franchise" LT and a "franchise" #1 WR.

If you follow a Best Player Available strategy, then that doesn't matter.

Ryan
05-04-2014, 01:31 PM
Manziel or Mack are the only two choices for me if we stay at #1.

Mari-OWNED!
05-04-2014, 04:48 PM
For the longest time I would have said I wanted Clowney, but after much thought I'd rather take a quarterback (Manziel IMO) and a pass rusher in the 2nd round (Attaochu for example) than Clowney and a Garoppolo, Mettenberger, Savage, or McCarron.

If the Texans can take Clowney and trade back up to nab someone like Bridgewater if he falls like the mediots have guessed, I'd be all for that.

tl;dr: It depends on the situation.

Texecutioner
05-04-2014, 05:01 PM
I can't help but laugh at the idea that a player is "worth" the #3 pick but not "worth" the #1 pick.

The player's "worth" is a fabrication created by the fans and media, both of which know nothing of what is going on in the offices of NFL teams. We all admit that this is lying season and nobody can be trusted, but we choose to believe whatever we hear about where teams have certain players valued.

If you have a guy rated as your #1 player, then he is "worth" the #1 pick.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? It's like what difference does it make whether you think a guy is a #10 type of pick as opposed to a #1 type of talent? It's those silly draft analysts who come up with the top 5 pick scenarios every year any way, so it's not like that's a real indicator any way.

You pick the player that you think has the highest % chance to be a stud for your team at a position of need for the longest time. If you think a guy who is projected to be the 10th pick will end up being a HOF LB, then why is he not worth the first pick of the draft? Just because a QB doesn't look as good as Andrew Luck or RG3 did going into the draft two years ago, why would they not be still worthy of a #1 pick if they look like they could be a great QB that will be the franchise QB for like 10 to 12 years? The reasoning that people come up with for who should go here or go there is really really silly, because it's all based on draft speculation.

Everyone wants to trade down. I wouldn't mind that either, but people always seem to think that trading down is so easy when it isn't. It usually doesn't happen when teams want to. And teams aren't just lining up to hand over a ton of picks and assets every year like the Cowboys got for Hershal Walker back in the day. That's more of a mirage type of thinking that people seem to have.

I want a franchise QB more than anything, and the only two that I think might become ones are Bortles and then Manziel. My favorite defensive player in the draft is Mack by far.

I'm also curious why every other Dlineman that is coming out of the draft that had 4+ sacks last season isn't getting a lot of votes like Clowney did. If the media hadn't drooled over this guy for the last 16 months, and I brought up this Clowney guy who was only semi productive last season, I think most people would be laughing at me right now if I was saying he should be the #1 pick.

Texecutioner
05-04-2014, 05:03 PM
If you follow a Best Player Available strategy, then that doesn't matter.

I highly doubt that most teams truly follow that logic honestly. That has always been an exaggerated strategy at drafting in the first round to me.

The Pencil Neck
05-04-2014, 08:12 PM
I highly doubt that most teams truly follow that logic honestly. That has always been an exaggerated strategy at drafting in the first round to me.

Not purely.

And I think there are several different families of strategies teams use to compose their own boards and I think that was what caught RS by surprise in his first draft when Amobi Okoye dropped into his lap.

I think most teams eliminate players for various reasons: scheme, possible psychological issues, possible behavioral issues, but mostly scheme.

But I don't think they eliminate positions from their boards just because they've drafted a lot of players at that position who haven't developed or because they've got some good players at that position.

I think you have to draft the best players that fit your scheme(s) and that you can use. I think a creative offensive mind should be able to figure out a way to use Watkins, Hopkins, and AJ.

Lucky
05-04-2014, 08:18 PM
I think a creative offensive mind should be able to figure out a way to use Watkins, Hopkins, and AJ.
Better be a super creative offensive mind, seeing that he doesn't have a QB that can get them the ball.

The Pencil Neck
05-04-2014, 08:21 PM
Better be a super creative offensive mind, seeing that he doesn't have a QB that can get them the ball.

That trio in the right offense could make a pedestrian QB look better than he is.

TexCanada
05-06-2014, 01:56 PM
It's got to be Clowney for me. I'd like to see us be aggressive and move back into the first round if one of the top 3 QBs fall to around the 20th pick.

humblegeo
05-06-2014, 02:24 PM
#1pick: Manziel. I'm so tired of this team going out and getting these over the hill has been second string players from other teams and plugging them in at a position of need and thinking it's going to work. Lets get our key offensive player in this draft and start building the offensive team around him and at the sametime start fine tuning and tweeking the defense with the draft as well.

LikeMike
05-07-2014, 09:05 AM
I would go with either Clowney or Robinson #1. Both seem like special players that could turn into the best at their respective positon. Plus Robinson would be a beast at RT and make our O-Line dominant.

Then IŽd watch very carefully what happens and try to get any of the top 3 QBs. Most mock drafts have at least one, some even all 3 dropping. Trade back up to make sure you get one of them.

markn
05-07-2014, 09:30 AM
I'm torn between Jadeveon Tradedowney and Khalil Tradeback

humblegeo
05-07-2014, 09:36 AM
We need a quarterback first and foremost so I guess you trade down and still try and get the quarterback you want. I use my first round pick on a quarterback. What I don't do is use the first pick in the NFL draft on a DE. that had a total of 3 sacks the entire 2013 season.

gwallaia
05-07-2014, 09:44 AM
Clowney.

Case closed, no questions asked. Clowney.

HJam72
05-07-2014, 09:53 AM
OK, so the concensus is that we are going to start Clowney at QB. :toropalm:

pirbroke
05-07-2014, 10:10 AM
I would like to draft Morgan Moses with out first pick, yes our first pick at near end of first after we trade down multiple times and pick up as many 2nd round and future 2nds or thirds as possible. I want a lot of good players and not hinge the future on just one or two that have as good as chance at injury as anything else. football has changed, almost everybody gets hurt every year.

The1ApplePie
05-07-2014, 10:38 AM
My only concern is that I don't think a defensive player is worth the No. 1 overall pick in the modern NFL. Especially when a team has no QB.

ObsiWan
05-07-2014, 10:41 AM
I would like to draft Morgan Moses with out first pick, yes our first pick at near end of first after we trade down multiple times and pick up as many 2nd round and future 2nds or thirds as possible. I want a lot of good players and not hinge the future on just one or two that have as good as chance at injury as anything else. football has changed, almost everybody gets hurt every year.
So you're saying our first pick may not be until the second round...??
Depending on how many extra picks we collect along the way, I might be good with that. And Moses would satisfy what I believe is our greatest need.

JB
05-07-2014, 10:43 AM
It doesn't matter who we take, 40% are gonna hate the pick.

Within 3 years 80% will be finding fault with it

LikeMike
05-07-2014, 10:49 AM
My only concern is that I don't think a defensive player is worth the No. 1 overall pick in the modern NFL. Especially when a team has no QB.

Well, Seattle just won the Superbowl and their defense and pass rush was a big reason for that. Sure, they don`t have that many first rounders, but it still was their defense that was most important.

I am all for taking a QB, because that is by far the most impactful position. A great QB is probably worth 10 great DEs. The problem is: is there a great QB in this class. And the question is also: at what spot can you get him?

All of the QBs have major question marks. And it is possible, that any of the 3 fall to the second round.

I think, in this day and age NFL, it is still like this: most important is a QB, second most important is a guy to stop the QB (passrusher), third most important is the guy who protects your QB (T). So those are the 3 positions IŽd consider taking first overall.

pirbroke
05-07-2014, 10:54 AM
So you're saying our first pick may not be until the second round...??
Depending on how many extra picks we collect along the way, I might be good with that. And Moses would satisfy what I believe is our greatest need.


I'm cool with second round, and it would be so fun watching the texans turn the first overall into a second round plus extras. I really believe this is the way to go, I don't care if each trade is a little less than that value chart.

ObsiWan
05-07-2014, 10:55 AM
My only concern is that I don't think a defensive player is worth the No. 1 overall pick in the modern NFL. Especially when a team has no QB.
I don't much care what position it is. I want the 1-1 pick to be as close to an immediate POSITIVE impact player as I can find. If the QBs currently available are going to need a year or so of "seasoning" before they are ready to produce that positive impact, then I'm looking elsewhere.

That's why I've been going OT since March. Our RT position sucks and either Matthews or Robinson can step in right away and greatly improve the O-line. And, OBTW, they should improve both QB play (since the QB is less likely to be running for his life) and our running attack.

Back to whether a defensive should be taken at 1-1; if you truly believe that the Clowney/Watt/whoever front line will produce sacks, turnovers, and more 3-and-outs, then that's who you pick. I'm not sure I buy that, but if I did, that's who I'd pick.

TheRealJoker
05-07-2014, 10:56 AM
Greg Robinson. Time to be the bully!

HJam72
05-07-2014, 10:56 AM
Not to muddy the water, but Seattle also has some serious talent and size in their secondary.

ObsiWan
05-07-2014, 10:58 AM
It doesn't matter who we take, 40% are gonna hate the pick.

Within 3 years 80% will be finding fault with it

And 100% of that 80% will swear they warned us not to draft <insert name here>
:D

LikeMike
05-07-2014, 11:00 AM
Not to muddy the water, but Seattle also has some serious talent and size in their secondary.

Sure they do, they also have some great LBs... I am just saying a great pass rush helps you a lot. Take a look at that Giants superbowl team for example. SF got pretty far with a lot of help of their defense and pass rush.

A DE alone isn`t enough. A QB alone might be enough. But outside of QB, I consider pass rusher the second most important position (perhaps a tie with OT).

HJam72
05-07-2014, 11:03 AM
Sure they do, they also have some great LBs... I am just saying a great pass rush helps you a lot. Take a look at that Giants superbowl team for example. SF got pretty far with a lot of help of their defense and pass rush.

A DE alone isn`t enough. A QB alone might be enough. But outside of QB, I consider pass rusher the second most important position (perhaps a tie with OT).

I can't argue with that.

Scooter
05-07-2014, 11:16 AM
My only concern is that I don't think a defensive player is worth the No. 1 overall pick in the modern NFL. Especially when a team has no QB.

defense is winning the big games. seattle obviously. the ravens superbowls. the 49ers the last couple of years. jets when they went to the championship games. new orleans got their defense playing illegally enough to be good and win in the postseason. manning's colts couldn't break through until the defense showed up in the playoffs. both giants superbowl runs were purely defense. the packers had a great defense for their superbowl run and have gone nowhere since - because the defense has fallen apart. the pats get there every year but havent finished things since their defense retired.

the phrase "offense wins games, defense wins championships" is still very much alive and flourishing. if the best players we can add on defense, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

DocBar
05-07-2014, 01:35 PM
If I just absolutely had to pick at 1.1, I'm going with Manziel. Might as well make a big splash and roll the dice. It might end up all rainbows and unicorns or it might be a train wreck, but it will definitely be one helluva ride!!

I'd be very easy to trade with, though.:texflag:

HJam72
05-07-2014, 02:20 PM
Nevermind, I'm going in circles. I don't know what I want for the #1 pick, I just know I want a top 4 QB by #33.

Ryan
05-07-2014, 02:33 PM
Manziel or Mack still. No way around it for me.

Tearstain
05-08-2014, 12:39 AM
I am going to say something way out of left field.
Just in case it happens I can then say I am the only one to get it ;)

I am going for a big trade down and we will pick Louis Nix and big NT 330+ lbs.

You heard it here first!!!
You can trust me I am a doctor :kitten:

ObsiWan
05-08-2014, 01:22 AM
I am going to say something way out of left field.
Just in case it happens I can then say I am the only one to get it ;)

I am going for a big trade down and we will pick Louis Nix and big NT 330+ lbs.

You heard it here first!!!
You can trust me I am a doctor :kitten:
Yeah, I've heard THAT one before

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gwallaia
05-08-2014, 12:06 PM
I think 1 of 4 things will happen tonight.

1. Draft Clowney
2. Draft Manziel
3. Draft Mack
4. Trade pick

kingtexan
05-08-2014, 12:59 PM
I think 1 of 4 things will happen tonight.

1. Draft Clowney
2. Draft Manziel
3. Draft Mack
4. Trade pick

Doesn't look like a trade will happen based on the Texans asking a kings ransom. If one of the other three happened I would be ok, but a little leery of Mack. I think it will be Clowney. Outside chance we jump back into the first if a QB we love falls far enough, but most likely just the one pick. Hopefully he will emulate Watt.

LikeMike
05-08-2014, 02:09 PM
One thing I love and hate about the draft this year: Rick Smith is playing it real close to his chest. There still is some confusion around who he is going to take. That keeps the trade value for the #1 pretty high. We all know he is trying to trade down, but I like it, that he is not just taking any deal. He holds all the cards and he is playing them the best way possible so far.

I expect Clowney to be OUR pick. But then again I wouldn`t rule out Manziel, Mack or Robinson. Heck I wouldn`t even rule out Bortles and Bridgewater and I definetly wouldn`t rule out a trade.

This is nerve racking and exciting...

DBCooper
05-08-2014, 03:56 PM
I'm still on the Watkins bandwagon. I think he's the best player in this draft and that he'll be the best pro.



Just hours before the draft, this is what I'd like too.

Trade back, get more picks, and draft Sammy!

markn
05-08-2014, 04:43 PM
With the first pick of the 2014 draft, the Houston Texans select...










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