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Brett
04-24-2014, 05:31 PM
Everyone knows Andre Johnson is big, fast, and catches everything in his zip code. What everyone does not know, however, is that Johnson is also one of the greatest route runners to ever play the game. While Jerry Rice set unbreakable records by making every release and every cut look exactly the same on a snap-to-snap basis, Andre Johnson wins by making every route look maddeningly different. Unlike Rice, who would keep defenders guessing by not tipping his route until the last possible step, Johnson claims his victims by fooling his opponents into jumping at the wrong tipped route in the first place. A quick-footed dancer of the highest caliber, Johnsonís proficiency at stringing together multiple decoy routes into single packages has caused defendersí heads to collectively spin for over a decade.

Some of Johnsonís finest work of the 2013 season came against the deservedly vaunted Richard Sherman and the Seattle Seahawks secondary. While 'Dre did have a fairly typical outing of nine catches for 110 yards, Johnson really turned heads (literally) in the final minutes of the fourth quarter. Lined up against the Big Bad Wolf himself, Johnson was tasked with beating Sherman on a deep out to kick start the Texansí potentially game-winning drive. Take a look below.

Full Article: http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/4/24/5647190/anatomy-of-a-great-route-how-andre-johnson-is-molding-deandre-hopkins

Enjoy!

Double Barrel
04-24-2014, 05:39 PM
Great read! Thanks for posting it. :thumbup

We are really going to miss AJ around these parts when he's gone.

thunderkyss
04-24-2014, 06:02 PM
Yeah Brett, thanks for posting.

Anyone notice Brooks getting totally blown up on that play?

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163821/iKe3XxeQkixN0.gif


& that's Garrett Graham on the bottom, why does he wait for the LB to engage him? The LB is clearly waiting to see what happens, why don't Graham hook him & take him with the rest of the line?

thunderkyss
04-24-2014, 06:12 PM
I honestly don't know what I'd do in this situation if I were Schaub.

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163869/iYYqByTeRBnRD.png

Knowing that Aj is going to break that route outside I'm happy that the FS stays high & on the hash. But with Sherman on Andre's outside hip, I'd have probably given up on that route & hit DeAndre on his outside route.

But surely Schaub's played with Andre long enough to know not to give up on that route.... tough call.

Brett
04-24-2014, 06:53 PM
Yeah Brett, thanks for posting.

Anyone notice Brooks getting totally blown up on that play?



To be fair he was trying to slide to take on a 5i. He's naturally at a disadvantage to someone ripping from that far outside, but I'd prefer to NOT see that happen of course.

Norg
04-24-2014, 08:16 PM
matt and andre had a inner uhhh comfort with each other Matt would sometimes throw to andre even if he was double teamed ifff the % was good

eriadoc
04-24-2014, 08:42 PM
There's a lot of good stuff in there on Hopkins. I like it.

Playoffs
04-24-2014, 08:53 PM
Anyone notice Brooks getting totally blown up on that play?

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163821/iKe3XxeQkixN0.gif


Nope.

Was too busy watching Sherman... jockstrap... seperated.

Best ever, imo.

Scooter
04-24-2014, 09:14 PM
two heavyweights going at it in that replay. andre, along with possibly reggie wayne, runs the best routes in football. he beat and spun the best CB in the league last year, and sherman is somehow still there just as the ball arrives. awesome video.

Vinny
04-24-2014, 09:25 PM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

leebigeztx
04-24-2014, 11:20 PM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

I agree. The one thing andre had and still have is speed. Hopkins doesn't strike fear vertically in dbs. That doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good wr. It just means he has to be more of a tactician to be effective. I think if all things are equal, posey has more physical attributes to become a #1 type wr.

eriadoc
04-25-2014, 12:44 AM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

I agree. The one thing andre had and still have is speed. Hopkins doesn't strike fear vertically in dbs. That doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good wr. It just means he has to be more of a tactician to be effective. I think if all things are equal, posey has more physical attributes to become a #1 type wr.

I think Hopkins is ahead of the game. He did a very good job as a rookie. He doesn't have the physical skill set that a guy like AJ has, so he'll never really be a true #1 guy. But he can be a tactician that creates separation through technique and catches everything thrown his way, because the guy does have some sticky hands. So I think he can be a good #2 WR. They're still going to need a #1 guy at some point (soon), but I'm happy Hopkins has AJ to learn from for now.

We've all seen lots of WRs come along with the physical tools, but never put it together. Hopkins has what it takes upstairs and in terms of work ethic. What he lacks in physical tools, he can overcome to a large degree.

HOU-TEX
04-25-2014, 10:11 AM
Yeah Brett, thanks for posting.

Anyone notice Brooks getting totally blown up on that play?

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163821/iKe3XxeQkixN0.gif


& that's Garrett Graham on the bottom, why does he wait for the LB to engage him? The LB is clearly waiting to see what happens, why don't Graham hook him & take him with the rest of the line?

Depends how you look at it. I see it as a nice recovery and not giving up on the play. When I think of "blown up" I think of getting easily beaten and put on your ass (see Myers/Jenkins). I'd say it's a win for Brooks, but he should thank Schaub for the help.

All that said, I'm more surprised that Schaub maneuvered his way up in the pocket.

Allstar
04-25-2014, 11:28 AM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

Agreed. I was hoping for a much larger sample size when clicking the article.

DocBar
04-26-2014, 01:28 AM
Yeah Brett, thanks for posting.

Anyone notice Brooks getting totally blown up on that play?

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163821/iKe3XxeQkixN0.gif


& that's Garrett Graham on the bottom, why does he wait for the LB to engage him? The LB is clearly waiting to see what happens, why don't Graham hook him & take him with the rest of the line?No, I don't.

Goatcheese
04-28-2014, 10:33 AM
What I noticed was a bunch of pass interference that wasn't being called. At what point does pushing, grabbing and obstructing the receiver 6+ yards downfield warrant a flag?

revan
04-28-2014, 11:24 AM
What I noticed was a bunch of pass interference that wasn't being called. At what point does pushing, grabbing and obstructing the receiver 6+ yards downfield warrant a flag?

When your opponent isn't Seattle. They got away with it all year long and the playoff game vs the 49ers was the most obvious of them all.

Playoffs
04-28-2014, 03:13 PM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

I'm very optimistic about DeAndre. He had the 2nd lowest dropped passes rate in the league last year, behind only Fitzgerald. Drops killed the Patriots last year.

But I've always seen Nuk as a #2. Alshon Jeffrey, Roddy White, Randall Cobb all pretty important pieces as #2s.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1747621/hopkins.gif

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QBh07C2E6Hg/UjhsuwUSiLI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/q069EKCeA_8/deandre-hopkins-td-catch.jpg

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/dehop22.gif

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/deandre-hopkins-catch-to-give-texans-a-chance-over-titans.gif

revan
04-28-2014, 06:20 PM
I'm very optimistic about DeAndre. He had the 2nd lowest dropped passes rate in the league last year, behind only Fitzgerald. Drops killed the Patriots last year.

But I've always seen Nuk as a #2. Alshon Jeffrey, Roddy White, Randall Cobb all pretty important pieces as #2s.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1747621/hopkins.gif

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QBh07C2E6Hg/UjhsuwUSiLI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/q069EKCeA_8/deandre-hopkins-td-catch.jpg

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/dehop22.gif

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/deandre-hopkins-catch-to-give-texans-a-chance-over-titans.gif

Nice GIFs.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1747621/hopkins.gif

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QBh07C2E6Hg/UjhsuwUSiLI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/q069EKCeA_8/deandre-hopkins-td-catch.jpg

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/dehop22.gif

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/deandre-hopkins-catch-to-give-texans-a-chance-over-titans.gif

V3rm0nt3r
04-28-2014, 08:33 PM
I'm very optimistic about DeAndre. He had the 2nd lowest dropped passes rate in the league last year, behind only Fitzgerald. Drops killed the Patriots last year.

But I've always seen Nuk as a #2. Alshon Jeffrey, Roddy White, Randall Cobb all pretty important pieces as #2s.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1747621/hopkins.gif

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QBh07C2E6Hg/UjhsuwUSiLI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/q069EKCeA_8/deandre-hopkins-td-catch.jpg

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/dehop22.gif

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/deandre-hopkins-catch-to-give-texans-a-chance-over-titans.gif

Is it just me or has Nuk seemed to have found his version of Innegan in Jason McCourty? There may not be a large sample size here but it seems to me that the corner simply doesn't have an answer for Hopkins' sticky fingers.

Playoffs
04-28-2014, 08:57 PM
Is it just me or has Nuk seemed to have found his version of Innegan in Jason McCourty?
Pretty darned good player, imo.

drs23
04-28-2014, 10:14 PM
Pretty darned good player, imo.

Agreed, but that Nuk guy ain't no slouch. I was kinda surprised to see him being seemingly smeared a week or so ago.

I see a few crow dinners being served up. Starting next season. And going on for many more to come.

If I'm wrong, serve it up. :pirate:

Scooter
04-28-2014, 11:31 PM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

i see a lot more larry fitzgerald in hopkins than jabar gaffney. strong route runner, not particularly great physically but exceptional body control, can struggle to find separation at times, and one of a select few as a "go up and get it" receiver. fitz coming out of college had an ability to win the ball in the air better than anyone i'd ever seen, and that attribute has only grown as a pro. hopkins has some of that. i dont know that he'll become fitz enough to be a #1, but it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see him become a 10+ touchdown a year receiver, with some spectacular catches added to his resume (to go with a few already made).

thunderkyss
04-29-2014, 12:23 AM
i dont know that he'll become fitz enough to be a #1, but it wouldnt surprise me in the least to see him become a 10+ touchdown a year receiver, with some spectacular catches added to his resume (to go with a few already made).

We don't need him to be a #1 right now anyway, so it's a moot point. It would be sweet if he has that jump in production we'd like to see from a 2nd year player, turning in #1 type WR numbers.

Before the season started I said as plainly & clearly as I could that I wanted him to avg 13+ ypc.... he avg'd 15+. I'm happy. That's a WR, that's what we needed. Someone who could stretch the field & command some attention away from Aj.

I think he did that.

I also feel if Aj were to miss a game or two, we'll be ok, because of what we saw Nuk do as a rookie.

Scooter
04-29-2014, 01:13 AM
We don't need him to be a #1 right now anyway, so it's a moot point. It would be sweet if he has that jump in production we'd like to see from a 2nd year player, turning in #1 type WR numbers.

Before the season started I said as plainly & clearly as I could that I wanted him to avg 13+ ypc.... he avg'd 15+. I'm happy. That's a WR, that's what we needed. Someone who could stretch the field & command some attention away from Aj.

I think he did that.

I also feel if Aj were to miss a game or two, we'll be ok, because of what we saw Nuk do as a rookie.

exactly. heck he went 52 for 800+ as a rookie, with chaos at quarterback on a 2 win team, and an elite drop rating. i wouldnt worry if hopkins had to take over as #1 for a while, though our lack of depth scares me if andre went down. i dont know that he'll ever be "the man", but as v3rm0nt3r pointed out earlier - it sure would be nice to have a big timer like roddy white as your #2.

that's where i'm on the fence. hopkins is a player. i disagree with vinny that he's in the gaffney mold - a 3rd or 4th possession option with good hands and decent physically, but poor routes and struggles to separate. dude can play, but where does he fall between fitz and roddy? either way, he's got a bright future and is someone we'll be holding onto.

i'm watching a lot of old timers and two names come up when watching hopkins. the first i was drawn to compare him to was torry holt, but the scheme got holt so open it's hard to see the similarities. the other, and i realize i'm comparing a #2 sophomore to a hall of famer, is cris carter. the routes, the fight in traffic, the sideline catches, the "go get it". carter is a good comparison i think. it's obviously much too early to say hopkins will compare to someone, but he is a very good match to cris carter.

leebigeztx
04-29-2014, 02:36 AM
exactly. heck he went 52 for 800+ as a rookie, with chaos at quarterback on a 2 win team, and an elite drop rating. i wouldnt worry if hopkins had to take over as #1 for a while, though our lack of depth scares me if andre went down. i dont know that he'll ever be "the man", but as v3rm0nt3r pointed out earlier - it sure would be nice to have a big timer like roddy white as your #2.

that's where i'm on the fence. hopkins is a player. i disagree with vinny that he's in the gaffney mold - a 3rd or 4th possession option with good hands and decent physically, but poor routes and struggles to separate. dude can play, but where does he fall between fitz and roddy? either way, he's got a bright future and is someone we'll be holding onto.

i'm watching a lot of old timers and two names come up when watching hopkins. the first i was drawn to compare him to was torry holt, but the scheme got holt so open it's hard to see the similarities. the other, and i realize i'm comparing a #2 sophomore to a hall of famer, is cris carter. the routes, the fight in traffic, the sideline catches, the "go get it". carter is a good comparison i think. it's obviously much too early to say hopkins will compare to someone, but he is a very good match to cris carter.

Torry Holt had top end speed,quickness,and route running. Holt was a 4.3 guy with elite quickness. He got open even when the offense lost a lot of tgheir great players. I can see carter in your comparison. He's more of a border wr. Not gonna run by anyone,but can locate the ball and make good catches. I thought the texans drated hopkins because he's a good bad ball catcher. I liked justin hunter more because of his vertical speed and seperation. I think Nuk will be a more complete wr,but I think hunter will be more feared because of his speed and leaping ability.

Scooter
04-29-2014, 03:11 AM
Torry Holt had top end speed,quickness,and route running. Holt was a 4.3 guy with elite quickness. He got open even when the offense lost a lot of tgheir great players. I can see carter in your comparison. He's more of a border wr. Not gonna run by anyone,but can locate the ball and make good catches. I thought the texans drated hopkins because he's a good bad ball catcher. I liked justin hunter more because of his vertical speed and seperation. I think Nuk will be a more complete wr,but I think hunter will be more feared because of his speed and leaping ability.

i'm with you entirely. i am VERY much on the record wanting justin hunter (annoyingly so). i wanted to eye holt as a comparison as a bigtime #2 playing with an elite #1 (i also used size in that attempt), but as you said i couldnt because of the scheme as well as holt's short area quickness that hopkins doesnt have. hopkins will be a fantastic #2 for today's game though. whether that's a good thing or not as a first rounder is up for discussion. he doesnt look to be able to scare teams as a #1, but similarly noone is going to let him run free ... 800yds as a rookie is only a precursor. i'll stick with cris carter as a comparison. route, hands, sideline ability, body control, and "go get it" ... if we can keep a talent on the other side hopkins is going to flourish.

revan
04-29-2014, 03:46 AM
I myself find it hard to compare Nuk's game to anyone so my theory is he is a new breed of WR. Watkins and Benjamin are in the same mold as Nuk, red zone monsters. With how Nuk is showing that he can be coached and is learning from another WR who was a new breed when he came out, the big bodied WR, the ceiling is very high on our boy. Now.........is it September already? :(

V3rm0nt3r
04-29-2014, 04:00 AM
Torry Holt had top end speed,quickness,and route running. Holt was a 4.3 guy with elite quickness. He got open even when the offense lost a lot of tgheir great players. I can see carter in your comparison. He's more of a border wr. Not gonna run by anyone,but can locate the ball and make good catches. I thought the texans drated hopkins because he's a good bad ball catcher. I liked justin hunter more because of his vertical speed and seperation. I think Nuk will be a more complete wr,but I think hunter will be more feared because of his speed and leaping ability.

While I can see the appeal of Hunter's physical capabilities, I still feel Nuk was the better, safer option. We've drafted physical freaks at WR before with the mindset that they could be coached up (Jacoby and/or KeyMart anyone?) but we've learned, perhaps too slowly, that speed alone doesn't get receivers open and it sure as hell doesn't catch them the ball. What this offense really needed was a compliment to Andre and that's what I believe we found in Nuk. Andre has always had enough athletic ability to scare defenses by himself but after Walter lost his legs completely there simply wasn't a viable option on the other side of the field that had the ability to consistently get open, hold onto the goddamn ball, and take at least SOME of the focus off Johnson. Nuk was able to step into this role immediately and operate more than effectively. So yeah, I really couldn't care less how ineffective he is at stretching the field, just so long as he continues utilizing those magnets he had embedded in his fingertips to move the chains every once in a while.

michaelm
04-29-2014, 06:11 AM
exactly. heck he went 52 for 800+ as a rookie, with chaos at quarterback on a 2 win team, and an elite drop rating. i wouldnt worry if hopkins had to take over as #1 for a while, though our lack of depth scares me if andre went down. i dont know that he'll ever be "the man", but as v3rm0nt3r pointed out earlier - it sure would be nice to have a big timer like roddy white as your #2.



that's where i'm on the fence. hopkins is a player. i disagree with vinny that he's in the gaffney mold - a 3rd or 4th possession option with good hands and decent physically, but poor routes and struggles to separate. dude can play, but where does he fall between fitz and roddy? either way, he's got a bright future and is someone we'll be holding onto.



i'm watching a lot of old timers and two names come up when watching hopkins. the first i was drawn to compare him to was torry holt, but the scheme got holt so open it's hard to see the similarities. the other, and i realize i'm comparing a #2 sophomore to a hall of famer, is cris carter. the routes, the fight in traffic, the sideline catches, the "go get it". carter is a good comparison i think. it's obviously much too early to say hopkins will compare to someone, but he is a very good match to cris carter.


I'm with you on the Cris Carter comparison. I said that before here, but didn't get any responses either agreeing with it disagreeing, so I figured nobody had a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I definitely see C Carter as a parallel.

ObsiWan
04-29-2014, 12:52 PM
Depends how you look at it. I see it as a nice recovery and not giving up on the play. When I think of "blown up" I think of getting easily beaten and put on your ass (see Myers/Jenkins). I'd say it's a win for Brooks, but he should thank Schaub for the help.

All that said, I'm more surprised that Schaub maneuvered his way up in the pocket.

That doesn't look like a guy with bum feet to me.
Even in the face of the rush, Schaub's eyes stayed down field. And the thing about that completion that strikes me the most is the confidence those guys have in each other. Schaub throws the ball before A.J. breaks to the sideline.
A.J. runs a precise route, knowing that Schaub's pass will be right it needs to be when he makes his break. When those two were clicking it was a thing of beauty.

Playoffs
04-29-2014, 01:01 PM
Torry Holt had top end speed,quickness,and route running...

Plus he had that bionic football catching finger.

kiwitexansfan
04-29-2014, 05:33 PM
I love Chris Carter as a WR.

I think Nuk has the same ability to catch the ball Carter had.

Neither are amazing athletes.

Texans_Chick
04-30-2014, 08:24 PM
I wish I was as optimistic about Hopkins as you guys. I could pick a few plays by Gaffney where he does this stuff too.

I am actually very skeptical of young players. More than most. I often think that fans/media tend to over embellish what the new guy will be able to do, and then after they've been with the team for a while, go ugggh, man not that good.

The biggest thing I see with Hopkins is he is having to think too hard, so he is having a hard time just making the plays. That the biggest jump he needs to make is concentration. Doing precision route running, so he's in the right spot to make plays. (I've heard some unkind things about some of his routes, and their consistency).

But I can tell you that at least in what I've seen in camp stuff, he does some amazing, hard to do things. First whoa receiver they've had in camp since AJ. His catch radius is astonishing, and does a nice job of locating the ball once it is in the air.

I'm not sure what exactly the mental demands will be moving to this offense from the old one, but I think that he is poised to have a jump from year one to two, assuming that OB can put together a functioning NFL offense.

Bulls on Parade
05-02-2014, 04:49 PM
DeAndre Hopkins has some of the best hands in the league. If he can ever focus and play to his potential he should become a steady 1200-yard, 8-to-12 TD a year type of player who can excel in the red zone. His rookie season had its ups and downs, more downs than ups, but I feel like he learned a lot and let's hope he continues to improve.

Uncle Rico
05-02-2014, 11:18 PM
Hopkins is slow for an outside receiver. Texans should find another guy who can take the top off and put Hopkins in the slot.

ObsiWan
05-03-2014, 03:09 AM
Hopkins is slow for an outside receiver. Texans should find another guy who can take the top off and put Hopkins in the slot.
A.J. has enough speed for both of them

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Dre-shines-in-fantasy-commercial/B16CC520-48DD-44A6-AFE3-DFD8762A9658)

Ryan
05-03-2014, 04:54 PM
Hopkins is slow for an outside receiver. Texans should find another guy who can take the top off and put Hopkins in the slot.


Wut

drs23
05-03-2014, 06:41 PM
Wut

+1 & ditto!

Playoffs
05-30-2014, 07:24 PM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
Trainer on Hopkins' hill at Clemson: "Gutbuster. All mental from the bottom to the top." #Texans

Hopkins' family has intentionally kept some members "around him" since rookie year. "Stay in his head and know where heís at at all times."

Working with his uncle and Sammy Watkins, Hopkins ran around cones placed on hill. "It is challenging. But the reward is great," uncle said.

#Texans' DeAndre Hopkins spent two months this offseason training on 100-yard hill about five minutes from Clemson. Focused on stride length

thunderkyss
05-30-2014, 07:57 PM
Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmithTrainer on Hopkins' hill at Clemson: "Gutbuster. All mental from the bottom to the top." #Texans

Hopkins' family has intentionally kept some members "around him" since rookie year. "Stay in his head and know where heís at at all times."

Working with his uncle and Sammy Watkins, Hopkins ran around cones placed on hill. "It is challenging. But the reward is great," uncle said.

#Texans' DeAndre Hopkins spent two months this offseason training on 100-yard hill about five minutes from Clemson. Focused on stride length

I see/hear our fans say that Hopkins will never be a #1 because he doesn't have the talent. Personally, I never thought talent was what made guys #1 or not. It's things like this. Always working to be better than you are.

I don't know if he'll ever be a #1, but things are looking good so far.

dalemurphy
05-30-2014, 08:30 PM
A.J. has enough speed for both of them

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Dre-shines-in-fantasy-commercial/B16CC520-48DD-44A6-AFE3-DFD8762A9658)

Hopkins would win in a sprint against AJ. AJ is long removed from the 4.3 speed he entered the league with.

infantrycak
05-30-2014, 09:35 PM
Hopkins would win in a sprint against AJ. AJ is long removed from the 4.3 speed he entered the league with.

I'll take that hypothetical internet bet.

dc_txtech
05-30-2014, 11:52 PM
I'll take that hypothetical internet bet.

He must not have watched the link.

gtexan02
06-03-2014, 10:25 PM
I'm sorry, but what's the evidence that AJ is doing anything for Hopkins? From everything I've seen Hopkins is doing it all on his own. While AJ is vacationing and taking photos of himself in NY Hopkins is actually working to get better and improve the team. I've yet to see evidence that AJ is helping him improve his routes

Playoffs
06-03-2014, 11:03 PM
I'm sorry, but what's the evidence that AJ is doing anything for Hopkins?...

Hopkins followed AJ around like a puppy last year, and AJ let him...

And AJ taught him a thing or two...

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163887/iKe3XxeQkixN0.gifAJ

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163893/is1vwHy6vo6pw.gifNuk

http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2163947/iDsgDKizMvHt7.gifNuk

Nuk didn't fall out of bed from Clemson with those setup moves he put on Browner.

gtexan02
06-04-2014, 07:30 AM
Just because they have similar moves?
Isn't that what coaches do? Has Hopkins ever said AJ taught him? Has AJ?
I'm just trying to understand

thunderkyss
06-04-2014, 08:15 AM
Just because they have similar moves?
Isn't that what coaches do? Has Hopkins ever said AJ taught him? Has AJ?
I'm just trying to understand


Just the other day he said (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/29/deandre-hopkins-it-hasnt-been-easy-learning-new-offense/):

ďItís not been easy; Iím not going to lie,Ē Hopkins said, via the teamís website. ďItís a new playbook, you have to refocus, you have to do everything you did your rookie year all over again, but I feel like I know how to prepare better than last year, just going out and learning from Andre [Johnson] and doing things like that, and I feel like Iím becoming a better player overall.Ē

steelbtexan
06-04-2014, 08:34 AM
I'll take that hypothetical internet bet.


Never ever make a bet with DM.

You will never see your $$$$.

Marcus
06-04-2014, 03:03 PM
I'll probably never live to see it, but I wish we'd get over this fanaticism with labeling which one is #1 and which is #2 and just start calling them receivers.

Playoffs
09-05-2014, 08:55 PM
The mentoring continues...

Daniel Gotera ‏@DTGoteraKHOU
Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins here in Alvin to watch Manvel vs North Shore. #Texans

amazing80
09-05-2014, 09:54 PM
The mentoring continues...

Daniel Gotera ‏@DTGoteraKHOU


do you think AJ has Hopkins drive him around like a chauffeur? :inneganned:

Playoffs
11-30-2014, 06:01 PM
REC YDS AVG TD
D. Hopkins 9 238 26.4 2

Monster day for Nuk.

thunderkyss
11-30-2014, 08:12 PM
REC YDS AVG TD
D. Hopkins 9 238 26.4 2

Monster day for Nuk.

He's on my fantasy team. I just wish he had "that" guy throwing him the ball all season.

dc_txtech
11-30-2014, 10:58 PM
One year ago a lot on this board thought we should have drafted Cordarelle Patterson instead of Hopkins. Six weeks ago it was considered blasphemy that Hopkins might be the best WR on the team at this point his career. One week ago Board members were getting flamed for saying that we shouldn't pay Andre Johnson 17 million dollars to come back next year.

I think today was the official changing of the guard. I love Dre but Hopkins is obviously the best WR on the team and has the brightest future. He may not be as good as Dre back in his prime but he definitely has WR1 talent and in my opinion makes Dre a luxury and not a necessity going into next season.

htownfan32
12-01-2014, 12:04 AM
Dunno if it's just me, but it seems like DeAndre has that crucial step or half-step on the DBs when going deep this year more often than he did his rookie season. Still not a blazer by any means but he's had more separation than before, and can still make those contested catches.

I still think we struck gold on our first round pick with him.

JB
12-01-2014, 12:10 AM
One year ago a lot on this board thought we should have drafted Cordarelle Patterson instead of Hopkins. Six weeks ago it was considered blasphemy that Hopkins might be the best WR on the team at this point his career. One week ago Board members were getting flamed for saying that we shouldn't pay Andre Johnson 17 million dollars to come back next year.

I think today was the official changing of the guard. I love Dre but Hopkins is obviously the best WR on the team and has the brightest future. He may not be as good as Dre back in his prime but he definitely has WR1 talent and in my opinion makes Dre a luxury and not a necessity going into next season.

AJ doesn't have the speed he once did, but that doesn't make him superfluous. Who would you replace him with? Martin? Or a guy that hasn't been able to make the active list all year? A rookie that will take a year or two maybe to get up to speed? AJ is not what he once was, but we don't have a replacement for him yet. He's still the one that the defenses pay attention to.

Dunno if it's just me, but it seems like DeAndre has that crucial step or half-step on the DBs when going deep this year more often than he did his rookie season. Still not a blazer by any means but he's had more separation than before, and can still make those contested catches.

I still think we struck gold on our first round pick with him.


He's a year wiser on how to get off the line and how to run routes

klockWork
12-01-2014, 12:23 AM
Out of the 6 tds thrown by Fitz today I thought the most important one was for AJ. Right before that play I had a grim feeling we've lost AJ for the season. I mean Nuke was making plays all over the field while Dre looks like he's stuck in the lingering smoke from that fumble.

JB
12-01-2014, 12:28 AM
Out of the 6 tds thrown by Fitz today I thought the most important one was for AJ. Right before that play I had a grim feeling we've lost AJ for the season. I mean Nuke was making plays all over the field while Dre looks like he's stuck in the lingering smoke from that fumble.

That fumble was a great play by McCourty stripping the ball out. Rare for AJ to let someone do that tho

klockWork
12-01-2014, 12:41 AM
That fumble was a great play by McCourty stripping the ball out. Rare for AJ to let someone do that tho
3 fumbles this season, lost all 3. Both stats never happened to Dre in any season. Combine that with his steep decline in production, well there's only so much a man can take. That TD grab chase the wolves away from AJ.

thunderkyss
12-01-2014, 08:39 AM
One year ago a lot on this board thought we should have drafted Cordarelle Patterson instead of Hopkins.


I bumped a Hopkins' thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2418274&highlight=Hopkins#post2418274) a few games ago to get your ideas on that topic.


Six weeks ago it was considered blasphemy that Hopkins might be the best WR on the team at this point his career.


Hopefully we'll never have to find out, but I'd hate to have Hopkins & not Andre more than I'd hate to have Andre without Hopkins.


One week ago Board members were getting flamed for saying that we shouldn't pay Andre Johnson 17 million dollars to come back next year.


I don't remember that happening. I love Andre, want him to be here next year. I want him to retire a Texans when he's ready to retire.

But I don't want him to have a $10M salary next season & I don't want to take a $16M cap hit for the guy either.



I think today was the official changing of the guard. I love Dre but Hopkins is obviously the best WR on the team and has the brightest future. He may not be as good as Dre back in his prime but he definitely has WR1 talent and in my opinion makes Dre a luxury and not a necessity going into next season.

I'm not on the Colts board all the time, like I am here, but I do frequent it. I don't remember the "Marvin Harris is hot garbage & Reggie Wayne is our #1 receiver." threads, or the "Hate to say it but Reggie is done, it's TY's time." Threads.

We've never had two above average WRs on this team before & as soon as we do, y'all can't shove one of them out the door quick enough.

What difference does it make which one is better? Hop costs us next to nothing. Andre is slowly slipping into the history books. They're both Texans.

ObsiWan
12-01-2014, 04:13 PM
We've never had two above average WRs on this team before & as soon as we do, y'all can't shove one of them out the door quick enough.

What difference does it make which one is better? Hop costs us next to nothing. Andre is slowly slipping into the history books. They're both Texans.
^^^^
This! MSR!

htownfan32
12-01-2014, 09:01 PM
I'm WR greedy. Sometimes I wonder where this offense would be if we had drafted Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans...

JB
12-01-2014, 09:10 PM
I'm WR greedy. Sometimes I wonder where this offense would be if we had drafted Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans...

If we're gonna draft another WR, I want a guy with serious jets. Don't know that either of those has that

I also want a cover corner with TY Hilton speed or faster

Texn4life
12-01-2014, 10:40 PM
If we're gonna draft another WR, I want a guy with serious jets. Don't know that either of those has that

I also want a cover corner with TY Hilton speed or faster

Diggs, Coates, or Duk Williams in the 3rd round would be awesome. Williams isn't a blazer, but would be great in this offense. We definitely need a burner though whether its in the slot or on the outside. A guy that can consistently command the respect of the defense outside of AJ and Hop would be crazy.

417Texan
12-01-2014, 11:19 PM
Thing I wish the most for is Foster to be healthy rest of the year so it keeps the air attack open.

False Start
12-02-2014, 02:19 AM
I'm WR greedy. Sometimes I wonder where this offense would be if we had drafted Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans...
Me too. I miss the days of Givins, Duncan, Slaughter, Jefferies, and Tony "Warp Speed" Jones. Those were the damn days man! There's nothing like having multiple threats at WR.

Every year I hope that the Texans will draft a bad ass WR to go along with Dre, and now Nuk, so we will have a triple threat. :freakout:

Bulls on Parade
12-02-2014, 08:39 AM
If we're gonna draft another WR, I want a guy with serious jets. Don't know that either of those has that

I also want a cover corner with TY Hilton speed or faster
Odell Beckham Jr. was stolen with the 12th overall pick by the Giants. Imagine that guy playing with Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins? Hindsight is 20-20. Or is it 50-50 like Cam Newton always says? Could have traded down and picked up extra picks along with a speedster with exceptional hands. People are just frustrated that Jadeveon Clowney is always hurt and doesn't have that "I must play through the pain" mentality like some of the all-time greats.

xtruroyaltyx
12-02-2014, 08:49 AM
I'm WR greedy. Sometimes I wonder where this offense would be if we had drafted Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans...

I wanted Evans here more than Watkins. I thought Evans could be really good in this offense, and he has good enough size to where he'd cause match up problems in the slot here like a TE. Really it would have been hard for teams to match up against the pass and run.

Bulls on Parade
12-02-2014, 09:02 AM
I wanted Evans here more than Watkins. I thought Evans could be really good in this offense, and he has good enough size to where he'd cause match up problems in the slot here like a TE. Really it would have been hard for teams to match up against the pass and run.
I'd rather have a small speedy guy (5'11 ish) who can be a deep threat and stretch the field. We need a guy like that playing with Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. Those small dudes can get open too. Mike Evans reminds me of former wide receiver out of Texas named Roy Williams. He'll have a couple of good years early in his career, maybe make a pro bowl or two, but he could flame out eventually. I don't think he's the next Calvin Johnson or anything special. He's good don't get me wrong.

A wide receiver I really love, that I think we can snag in the second round in the 2015 draft, who reminds me a lot of Odell Beckham Jr. is Tyler Lockett out of Kansas State. He can also improve our return game on special teams. He's been highly productive at K-State this year.

klockWork
12-02-2014, 11:28 AM
Speed at the WR position is highly overated in my opinion. I take a crafty physical quick separation step type receiver like our own Nuk over a track star any day. Because line up against a well coached physical cb all it take is a basic jam to sputter a speedy WR in their track. And speedy WR don't respond well after getting hit. They get rattle easily as opposed to someone like anquon boldin who jumps back up and ask for more.

I want a wrecking ball out there with clutch hands.

Marshall
12-02-2014, 12:28 PM
Dunno if it's just me, but it seems like DeAndre has that crucial step or half-step on the DBs when going deep this year more often than he did his rookie season. Still not a blazer by any means but he's had more separation than before, and can still make those contested catches.

I still think we struck gold on our first round pick with him.

While speed can get you separation, so can running a good rout with good fakes. Perhaps this is the cause of the greater separation. (half a step is huge in the NFL.)

Marshall
12-02-2014, 12:31 PM
I'm WR greedy. Sometimes I wonder where this offense would be if we had drafted Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans...

Looking for a playmaker on defense.

HOU-TEX
12-03-2014, 12:16 PM
Looks like DHop got somebody fired

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider ∑ 13m13 minutes ago
Titans cut Brandon Ghee, sign Jemea Thomas off Rams' practice squad

Playoffs
12-03-2014, 12:23 PM
...sign Jemea Thomas off Rams' practice squad


Patriots 2014 6th round draft pick.

thunderkyss
12-03-2014, 12:42 PM
Patriots 2014 6th round draft pick.

That Belichick sure knows how to work the draft.

Playoffs
12-03-2014, 01:31 PM
Mayock's Slant: Hopkins dominates (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Mayocks_Slant_Hopkins_dominates_/540e4b8d-3bb7-4662-88d0-9db3ce6986b0)
Mike Mayock breaks down the play of Houston Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, catching nine passes for 238 yards and 2 touchdowns against the Tennessee Titans.

417Texan
12-04-2014, 08:19 AM
Now got to give credit to the GM for drafting Nuk.

eriadoc
12-04-2014, 09:20 AM
Now got to give credit to the GM for drafting Nuk.

If he didn't hit on some of his picks, we'd be blasting him way worse than we do.

Runner
12-04-2014, 10:17 AM
If he didn't hit on some of his picks, we'd be blasting him way worse than we do.

Of course, as a board we can't come to a conclusion if he has much of a role in, or responsibility for, the picks, good or bad, anyway, right?

I have now used my daily quota of commas; I'll move on to semicolons.

eriadoc
12-04-2014, 12:39 PM
Of course, as a board we can't come to a conclusion if he has much of a role in, or responsibility for, the picks, good or bad, anyway, right?

Oh, I definitely think we can come to a conclusion regarding his responsibility for those picks. He has none. Well, maybe accountability is a bit more precise to say.