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mussop
03-23-2014, 01:48 PM
With so little to work with on the current roster obviously we are going to have to draft at least two if not more DLmen from this draft just to have adequate depth. I thought I would throw this together to start some new fresh conversation for those sick of the QB monkey **** fight thats seems to have dominated this board for what seems like months.

These are the guys I like for our new scheme and where I would draft them.

DE’s
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Height: 6-5. Weight: 304.
Round 2.
Scouting reports
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/stephon-tuitt
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/stephon-tuitt?id=2543483
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1893212/stephon-tuitt
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/stephon-tuitt/ (http://draftbreakdown.com/players/stephon-tuitt/)

Ra'Shede Hageman, DE,DT, Minnesota
Height: 6-6. Weight: 310.
Round 2
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ra'shede-hageman?id=2543478
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664241/rashede-hageman
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/rashede-hageman/

Ego Ferguson*, DT,NT LSU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 315.
Round 4
Scouting reports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737233/ego-ferguson
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ego-ferguson?id=2543602
Video
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/ego-ferguson/

Brent Urban, DT, Virginia
Height: 6-7. Weight: 295.
Round 4.
Led the nation's defensive linemen with nine passes broken up despite missing four games
Scouting reports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1697015/brent-urban
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/brent-urban
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/brent-urban/

DeAndre Coleman,DE,NT California
Height: 6-5. Weight: 314.
Round 4.
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-coleman?id=2543701
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664306/deandre-coleman
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/deandre-coleman
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/deandre-coleman/
JMO --- Really like his potential more as a NT in this system.

Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon
Height: 6-6. Weight: 281.
Round 5

Scouting report
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/taylor-hart?id=2543747
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664845/taylor-hart
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/taylor-hart/ (http://draftbreakdown.com/players/taylor-hart/)

Kelcy Quarles*, DT, South Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 297.
Round 5.
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kelcy-quarles?id=2543648
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737112/kelcy-quarles
Videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kelcy-quarles-vs-tennessee-2013/
JMO
Not as high on him as others. Don’t really want him for more than a 5th round pick.

Anthony Johnson DE, DT, LSU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 308.
40 Time: 5.24.
Round 6
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/anthony-johnson?id=2543604
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824830/anthony-johnson
videos
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/anthony-johnson?id=2543604

Shamar Stephen, DE, Connecticut
Height: 6-5. Weight: 309.
Round 7
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/shamar-stephen?id=2543706
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1785825/shamar-stephen
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/shamar-stephenideos
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/shamar-stephen/


Jeoffrey Pagan*, DE, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 310.
Round 7
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jeoffrey-pagan?id=2543547
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1893146/jeoffrey-pagan
Video
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/jeoffrey-pagan/


NT’s
Louis Nix, NT, Notre Dame
Height: 6-2. Weight: 331.
Round 2
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/louis-nix?id=2543472
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737206/louis-nix
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/louis-nix-iii/

DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 322.
Round 2
Scouting report
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/daquan-jones?id=2543504
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737516/daquan-jones
Videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/daquan-jones-vs-michigan-2013/
(http://draftbreakdown.com/video/daquan-jones-vs-michigan-2013/)JMO --- Feel like he might be a little under rated around here. Reports are that he added some bulk this offseason. Could OB be in his ear telling him, Hey I’m going to need a NT out of this draft?

Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee
Height: 6-7. Weight: 352.
Round 5
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/daniel-mccullers?id=2543754
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2027385/daniel-mccullers
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/daniel-mccullers/

Beau Allen, DT, Wisconsin
Height: 6-3. Weight: 325.
Round 5

videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/beau-allen/

Justin Ellis, DT, Louisiana Tech
Height: 6-1. Weight: 334.
Round 5
Scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/justin-ellis?id=2543812
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1697064/justin-ellis
http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/justin-ellis
videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/justin-ellis/

Ryan Carrethers, DT, Arkansas State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 337. .
Round 5
scouting reports
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ryan-carrethers?id=2543554
Videos
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/ryan-carrethers/

TexansSeminole
03-23-2014, 02:05 PM
I had a chance to watch Urban, he was an interesting player. He doesn't exactly stand out but he's solid.

Cool list btw.

Lucky
03-23-2014, 02:08 PM
When you have what round you would draft the player, are you saying that's where you would have the Texans draft him? 2-1 for DaQuan Jones seems high.

mussop
03-23-2014, 02:36 PM
When you have what round you would draft the player, are you saying that's where you would have the Texans draft him? 2-1 for DaQuan Jones seems high.

Yes to the first question and IMO Jones is right there with Nix Talent wise. I'm sure most don't see it that way but I don't see much difference between the 2 on film.

mussop
03-23-2014, 02:45 PM
I had a chance to watch Urban, he was an interesting player. He doesn't exactly stand out but he's solid.

Cool list btw.

The one thing that stands out about this list to me is the amount of later round guys that would be good fits on ROC's DL.

Urban is one of those I'm speaking of. He's a perfect fit at DE. Strong against the run, excells at batting down passes and because he isn't much in the way of pass rush should be available late on day three.

Lucky
03-23-2014, 03:00 PM
Yes to the first question and IMO Jones is right there with Nix Talent wise. I'm sure most don't see it that way but I don't see much difference between the 2 on film.
I just watched Jones versus Michigan, then Ohio State. He seemed to get great penetration against Michigan. A lot of intial area quickness and he provided a nice inside push on the pass rush (though he couldn't finish). Against Ohio State, he seemed to get manhandled a lot. Looks more like a 5 technique, to me. Nix seems more of a straight-up 2 gap NT. But, I'm not sure if that's worth 2-1, now that I think about it. Not a great draft to be looking for a NT, really.

Number19
03-23-2014, 05:06 PM
...Urban is one of those I'm speaking of. He's a perfect fit at DE. Strong against the run, excells at batting down passes and because he isn't much in the way of pass rush should be available late on day three.Crennel's defense at K.C. wasn't as effective as designed because offenses learned they didn't have to double team the DE's. The talent he had wasn't able to defeat one-on-one blocking and pressure the QB. If Urban doesn't have "much in the way of a pass rush", then he really isn't ideal for our new defense.

Number19
03-23-2014, 05:19 PM
I just watched Jones versus Michigan, then Ohio State. He seemed to get great penetration against Michigan. A lot of intial area quickness and he provided a nice inside push on the pass rush (though he couldn't finish). Against Ohio State, he seemed to get manhandled a lot. Looks more like a 5 technique, to me. Nix seems more of a straight-up 2 gap NT. But, I'm not sure if that's worth 2-1, now that I think about it. Not a great draft to be looking for a NT, really.On the one hand, I agree this is not a great year for NT's. But I like Carrethers in the 5th for several reasons. He's naturally large at 337 lbs, but at that weight maintains low body fat. He's strong - 32 reps. And he is a former wrestler and understand leverage. He does have some limitations, as do all the lower round prospects, but is stout against the run and if left one-on-one, can generate push up the middle. Last season he had 5 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks to go along with 34 solo tackles and 59 assisted tackles.

mussop
03-23-2014, 06:14 PM
Crennel's defense at K.C. wasn't as effective as designed because offenses learned they didn't have to double team the DE's. The talent he had wasn't able to defeat one-on-one blocking and pressure the QB. If Urban doesn't have "much in the way of a pass rush", then he really isn't ideal for our new defense.

Dissagree, the ability to tie up blockers is the main skill set needed for this scheme. I agree that a DE with pass rush ability would be a great thing to have. However there is a heavy price to pay for that kind of player. You aren't going to find that type of player late in the draft. With the lack of depth on the DL and all the other holes we are going to have to fill in some blanks with players that can at least be good at the basics.

Urban is that type player. He doesn't get pushed around, gets a good push, is solid against the run and his Size/height and ability to batt balls ala Watt makes him a very nice Bookend to Watt. You can't have allstars at every position.

leebigeztx
03-23-2014, 11:27 PM
I'm one of those who like Quarles more than most. Reasons are his versitility. His body is equiped to hold 25-30lbs easy. He's field strong,has good quickness to. He can play nt and 2 gap,play 3 tech in 4-3, or 5 technique. He gives RAC flexibility to morph the front. He's prolbably a 3rd-4th rd guy. He also has a good motor and good pursuit. Led that team in tfls and sacks.

AngryNateFTW
03-23-2014, 11:40 PM
Good list. Zack Kerr out of Delaware is an interesting NT prospect, too.

Wolf6151
03-24-2014, 02:42 AM
Excellent list, props to you because that really took some work. I really like DeAndre Coleman-DT/DE in the 5th or 6th round for the Texans. He doesn't get alot of pass rush but I don't think the new 2 gap 3-4 system is designed for DE's to get penetration. I think he has text book size and length for the position as well as decent/good athleticism for such a big man. I think he plays the run well and takes up blockers like DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to do, thus freeing up the OLB's to make plays. I also like DaQuan Jones in the 3rd, and Justin Ellis in the 5th or 6th. Another guy that we can probably get as an UDFA is Bruce Gaston-NT. He's got great size for the position and I think he'd work well as a rotational NT or short yardage line stuffer.