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Lucky
03-22-2014, 07:42 AM
Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/22/dennis-allen-matt-schaub-is-the-raiders-starting-quarterback/).

Matt Schaub (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/matt-schaub) will not need to win a quarterback competition in Oakland to become the Raiders’ starting quarterback. He already is the Raiders’ starting quarterback.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said after Schaub arrived in a trade with the Texans that Schaub will open the season as the No. 1 quarterback.

“We brought Matt Schaub in to be our starting quarterback (http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Coach-Allen-Press-Conference/9bf49ca6-b315-4e79-8db4-7c3d5a65cd88),” Allen said. “We feel very confident that he is going to be able to come in and function in that role and be outstanding for us. Obviously, we love having competition within the team, but right now Matt Schaub is our starting quarterback.”

The Raiders also have Terrelle Pryor (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6757/terrelle-pryor), Matt McGloin (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9194/matt-mcgloin) and Trent Edwards (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4220/trent-edwards) on the roster, and they could draft a quarterback like Teddy Bridgewater (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9274/teddy-bridgewater), Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9271/johnny-manziel) or Derek Carr (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9349/derek-carr). But Allen, who was an assistant coach in Atlanta when the Falcons drafted Schaub in 2004, says Schaub is his guy.

“This is a guy that is a two-time Pro Bowl player. When you get an opportunity to add those type of players, that’s what we’re looking to do,” Allen said.

Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 07:52 AM
I've got to admit that I was wrong about the Raiders looking for a starter. I thought they would be content with Pryor & McGluv'n....

Perhaps I was also wrong about the Browns as they were also said to be interested in trading for him.

IDEXAN
03-22-2014, 08:15 AM
I have no idea what kind of a season Schaub is gonna have in Oakland, but he might fool a lot of Texans "fans" who think he's washed up in this league. Obviously there's quite a few NFL people (and not just the Raider's HC) who think Matts still got a future in this league. BTW, Schaub was a whole lot cheaper for the Raiders than Carson was.

Thorn
03-22-2014, 08:16 AM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 08:16 AM
Yes this was the plan all along. After two 4-12 seasons -- hampered by salary cap -- Reggie needs to show some improvement now to keep his job, IMO.

I think it'll be Browns vs. Raiders for Sammy Watkins.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 08:35 AM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

Matt usually does a pretty good job about getting the ball out & avoiding sacks. Not as good as Peyton, but better than most.

kingtexan
03-22-2014, 10:56 AM
Championship ...

StarStruck
03-22-2014, 11:41 AM
Championship ...

Oh dear, I never considered Oakland going to the Super Bowl any time soon until now. :)

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 03:40 PM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

If something doesn't dramatically change this year, Schaub will only think he had a bad OL. Last year, ProFootballFocus (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/) ranked Raiders OL line at #29 as compared to Texans #16.:kitten:

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 03:57 PM
If something doesn't dramatically change this year, Schaub will only think he had a bad OL. Last year, ProFootballFocus (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/) ranked Raiders OL line at #29 as compared to Texans #16.:kitten:

Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

htownfan32
03-22-2014, 04:25 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 04:27 PM
Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 05:47 PM
I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

That's what I understand.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 06:12 PM
Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

Losing Veldheer is a negative. Penn has durability but is far from anything special.......and he is not OT material, maybe guard. The Raiders continue to pee money down the drain with contracts such as what humdrum Howard got. And Boothe looked less than stellar with the Giants playing guard or center. Last but not least, wasn't Watson the one someone on the Raiders said he just doesn't look like he has it? Between calf and knee injuries and surgery, he virtually never saw the field........and if I remember, he's never played LT, but that was what they wanted of him. I've never really understood the Raiders of old. And now, the Raiders are getting rid of Al's players while replacing them just as quickly with more expensive but no more productive players.

I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)

Blake
03-22-2014, 06:46 PM
I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)

Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 07:29 PM
Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.

If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 08:12 PM
I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

Yep, my bad, did read the fine print.

Blake
03-22-2014, 09:54 PM
If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:

Not sure that I agree with your assessment. I believe they are day 1 starter material. Moses at RT and Richardson at RG.

Trap_Star
03-22-2014, 10:13 PM
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.

ObsiWan
03-22-2014, 11:44 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.
I believe we'll have to put NitroFish in a padded room.
...with no internet access
:kitten:

False Start
03-23-2014, 12:53 AM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.

I would find the nearest kitten and punch it. ;) :littlelol:

Norg
03-23-2014, 01:39 AM
om man get rdy for PICK SIXES and a bunch of throw aways OAK town LOL

if matt thought the AFCS was a hard Div now he has to face

SAN DEGIO

CHEIFS

DENVER

all twice yikes ..!!!! LOL

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 07:50 AM
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.

Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.

Lucky
03-23-2014, 08:59 AM
They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him.
I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2014, 11:42 AM
I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.

Which they've developed an immunity to at this point.

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 06:45 PM
I believe we'll have to put NitroFish in a padded room.
...with no internet access
:kitten:

lol...

Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.

Yea I think they made a great move for a change and not because I am a Schaub fan, but for the exact reason you stated. If he delivers they are geniuses, if he fails it cost them next to nothing, and everyone will say "It's The Raiders what did you expect?"

If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.

Goatcheese
03-23-2014, 07:01 PM
Poor Schaub. What did he ever do to deserve being shipped off to the black hole?

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 07:01 PM
If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.

It's a QB driven league. If Greg Olsen does everything he can to get Schaub into his zone & keep him there, I think Schaub is going to surprise a lot of people. If they try to build their offensive attack around McFadden, they're just asking for trouble.

Texan_Bill
03-23-2014, 08:06 PM
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!

Playoffs
03-23-2014, 10:18 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Raiders QB Matt Schaub restructured deal with OAK, lowering base salary and cap # this year; still can earn $15-$20M the next two seasons.

NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL
Matt Schaub re-did his deal with Raiders, per @RapSheet. Lowers base salary, but can earn between $13M and $21M over the next two years.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2014, 09:27 AM
Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/22/dennis-allen-matt-schaub-is-the-raiders-starting-quarterback/).


Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.

Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail

Dread-Head
03-24-2014, 10:12 AM
Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.

thunderkyss
03-24-2014, 10:16 AM
Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen told reporters (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336217/article/dennis-allen-raiders-options-open-with-no-5-pick) Friday he saw Matt Schaub as a long-term solution who could lead the team at quarterback for several years.

That faith in Schaub's ability won't necessarily preclude the Raiders from investing in a QB in the upcoming NFL Draft, however.

"I don't think you ever take anything off the table," Allen told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport and a small group of reporters at the NFL Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla. on Sunday. "You have your checklist. We've got these holes we need to fill. That's one that we feel like we've been able to check off the list. We filled that."




Most interesting, I thought, was how they were talking on the video that the offseason moves made by the Raiders gives you the feel that they are in "win now" mode.

They were last place in a division where the other three teams had winning records, they all made the play-offs. Surely they were not one player away from a winning season, much less a championship. They've got "holes" all over their roster, but they're making a "substantial" push to "win now"

I think they're treading water, but I'll keep an ear to the ground to see if anyone else thinks they may be on the move.

Lucky
03-24-2014, 10:17 AM
Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail
Hey, I was trying to be positive. Schaub can lead a team to FG range. But he can't kick it in for ya.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 10:24 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.

thunderkyss
03-24-2014, 10:26 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL

Kinda curious. I thought one of the apealing things about him was that he was going to take up a big chunk of their salary cap. This move kinda kills that line of thinking. I'd like to see more details... I didn't think Schaub would want to restructure.

Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.

I never put too much into the not being able to audible yak. The offense is designed the way it's designed and the traditional audible system was not necessary.

When you watch the videos here (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/3/6/5476912/the-bill-obrien-prototype-what-houstons-new-head-honcho-expects-from), you can see how a single play can unfold several different ways depending on what the QB sees before & after the snap. In one of them, he mentions how the routes on one side of the field are designed to attack a zone defense & the other side, the routes are designed to attack man defense. So if the QB sees zone, his read starts on that side of the field & works back the other way. If he reads man, it starts on the other side & works back from there.

Then both sides have adjustments for the blitz.

I understand wanting our QB to have the freedom (or the snap) to change a play to adjust for a mismatch in our favor, but that's totally different than being able to read a defense... which I thought Matt was pretty good at.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 12:05 PM
Marc Sessler ‏@MarcSesslerNFL
Reggie McKenzie says Terrelle Pryor has talked with his agent about wanting to be released by the #Raiders.

thunderkyss
03-25-2014, 09:57 AM
I've got a Raiders forum bookmarked. I don't ever post there, don't have an account, just visit from time to time to get opinions on things that are not Houston-Centric. I've also got boards from most other teams bookmarked for the same thing.

This Raiders board is one of the ones I rarely visit, just not that interested in the constant moaning & groaning. But I decided to take a look after the recent interaction between our two teams.

So..... here's a link (http://www.blackreign.net/raidernation/index.php?threads/schrub.9676/), you may be interested in.

thunderkyss
03-25-2014, 10:10 AM
Raiders coach Dennis Allen on Matt Schaub: (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/03/25/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-matt-schaub-we-have-a-quarterback-now-thats-on-par-with-the-quarterbacks-in-this-division/) “We have a quarterback now that’s on par with the quarterbacks in this division”

-ALLEN: My preference is, guys that can move the team down the field, guys who can put points on the board. I think there’s certain qualities you look at in the quarterbacks that have been able to be successful over the years.
I’m talking about guys like Drew Brees, who I was with, I’m talking about guys like Peyton Manning, I’m talking about guys like Tom Brady, guys that their work ethic is unmatched; they’re the first ones in the building, they’re the last one to leave.

They have the ability to process information quickly and they can throw the ball with timing and accuracy. And those are the things you have to be able to do to play the quarterback position.

Double Barrel
03-25-2014, 10:29 AM
I wish Schaub the best. I honestly hope the Raiders win the division. Most likely not going to happen, but I would love the turmoil it would cause if it happened.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2014, 10:42 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.

Not surprising. After the season he had here in Houston, and the way he was treated, I doubt he had any intention of playing for the Texans this year.

thunderkyss
03-26-2014, 11:54 AM
Koch&Kalu (http://www.sports790.com/media/podcast-koch-kalu-koch_and_kalu/wednesday-march-26-2014-1-24532254/).. <-- they discuss a lot of stuff on this podcast with a former scout. He's got a lot to say about Schaub starting aroun 18:20

mattieuk
03-26-2014, 02:36 PM
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!

I'm with you here Bill. He put in some very good years in Houston - and time will tell whether he has anything left in the tank.

It will be interesting to see how he does in Oakland, after an offseason of learning a new system. Obviously the coaching staff over there have plans/a belief in him getting the job done.

It was just one of those times where someone's natural stay had come to an end. It is sort of like a Peyton in Indy ending for me. The team did not view the player as the future, and the player wanted another chance to prove their worth in the league. It should be an amicable ending to his tenure in Houston and a fresh start for both parties.

ObsiWan
03-26-2014, 04:55 PM
Hey, I was trying to be positive. Schaub can lead a team to FG range. But he can't kick it in for ya.
Is that a foot joke?
:shades:

Nitrofish
03-26-2014, 05:07 PM
Koch&Kalu (http://www.sports790.com/media/podcast-koch-kalu-koch_and_kalu/wednesday-march-26-2014-1-24532254/).. <-- they discuss a lot of stuff on this podcast with a former scout. He's got a lot to say about Schaub starting aroun 18:20

Thanks for the share TK. Was a good interview and debate. It's funny that this will be the soap opera story of the season. All of the haters sitting on the edge of their seat chanting "pick 6", pick 6, pick 6" every time Schaub plays, and all of the supporters fingers crossed, biting their nails chanting "no pick 6, no pick 6, no pick 6". Good Luck Matt!

Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?

Wolf6151
03-26-2014, 11:53 PM
I wish him all the best, except when he plays the Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
03-29-2014, 08:11 PM
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

houstonspartan
03-29-2014, 08:42 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?

I think I might cry if that happens.


I would not cry. It would simply cement my dislike for Gary Kubiak as a coach and prove my theory that he's a fraud.


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NastyNate
03-29-2014, 11:35 PM
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

Annefranc's sister hates Oakland?

Playoffs
03-30-2014, 11:40 AM
So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

Lisfranc Island... where football careers go to slowly wither away. http://www.h2g2.com/h2g2/skins/Alabaster/images/Smilies/f_island.gif

Goldensilence
03-30-2014, 11:40 AM
With the contract restructure it makes the deal appear better. If Oakland views as a stop gap starter who could regain form it's a win for both teams really.

Another case of hope he does well, just wasn't going to happen in Houston.

Lucky
03-30-2014, 12:40 PM
Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?
Who besides the Raiders ever thought Pryor could play QB in the NFL? Now, they know better. Pryor was Al Davis' last draft pick. That should tell you everything you need to know about Pryor.

Goldensilence
03-30-2014, 03:06 PM
Thanks for the share TK. Was a good interview and debate. It's funny that this will be the soap opera story of the season. All of the haters sitting on the edge of their seat chanting "pick 6", pick 6, pick 6" every time Schaub plays, and all of the supporters fingers crossed, biting their nails chanting "no pick 6, no pick 6, no pick 6". Good Luck Matt!

Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?

Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

The Pencil Neck
03-30-2014, 03:11 PM
Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

I had heard reports that TP had demanded his trade/release before the trade was even publicly being discussed. So it sounds like he's unhappy with something he's heard from the coaches about the direction they want to go or they're asking him to do something he doesn't want to do.

Nitrofish
03-31-2014, 09:54 PM
Who besides the Raiders ever thought Pryor could play QB in the NFL? Now, they know better. Pryor was Al Davis' last draft pick. That should tell you everything you need to know about Pryor.

I agree with this, but I would imagine that TP himself thinks he can play, which is why he is so upset they went out and got MS. Al Davis lost his mind over the last decade, but prior to that, he was pretty good at spotting talent. Obviously he got this one wrong.

Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

It has to be a pride thing, because you are right. Any clear thinking human should see opportunity to gain valuable mentoring from someone who has played at a high level in the NFL, but apparently Pryor thinks he is better than Schaub and should be starting.

I have not heard any teams clamoring to acquire TP, but who knows, someone might have some interest in such a project.

"The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps" -Marsellus Wallace

Lucky
03-31-2014, 10:59 PM
Al Davis lost his mind over the last decade, but prior to that, he was pretty good at spotting talent. Obviously he got this one wrong.
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

drs23
04-01-2014, 08:05 PM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

:goodpost:

Spot on.

HOU-TEX
04-02-2014, 08:49 AM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

Sounds similar to that other NFL team in Texas.....

Double Barrel
04-02-2014, 10:25 AM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

I agree completely. MSR

The AFL was good for pro football. They pushed the envelop to make games exciting and challenged the old guard of the NFL to wake up. Today's NFL would not be what it is without the passing game, and the AFL's influence is a big part of that on-going trend.

silvrhand
04-02-2014, 01:20 PM
TP has flashed more potential than MS has last year.. someone will give him a chance..

infantrycak
04-02-2014, 02:13 PM
TP has flashed more potential than MS has last year.. someone will give him a chance..

Pryor was worse than Schaub last year and hasn't shown anything to make folks believe he will ever be pre-injury Schaub.

Vance87
04-02-2014, 07:04 PM
Maurice Jones-Drew thinks Matt Schaub can lead Raiders to Super Bowl

“You can definitely [make the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub at quarterback],” Jones-Drew said during an interview on Sirius’ Mad Dog Sports Radio. “[Schaub] has something to prove this year. I know Matt Schaub is a guy who can lead us.”

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/02/maurice-jones-drew-matt-schaub-oakland-raiders-super-bowl/?eref=sihp

Nitrofish
04-05-2014, 02:15 AM
Pryor was worse than Schaub last year and hasn't shown anything to make folks believe he will ever be pre-injury Schaub.

msr

Maurice Jones-Drew thinks Matt Schaub can lead Raiders to Super Bowl

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/02/maurice-jones-drew-matt-schaub-oakland-raiders-super-bowl/?eref=sihp

I don't know what anyone expects MJD to say. "No way, he sucks, I only came here for the cash" I mean it seemed to me like MJD tried to get off the topic pretty quick, and his answer was weird anyway. Schaub has never been under Super Bowl type pressure as he suggested. He has faced the pressure of a Super Bowl or Bust season, but even though he did not have much help from the rest of the team, he did not perform well under that kind of pressure.

The Raiders fans see Schaub as an upgrade over what they have had since Rich Gannon, so I am not sure there is as much pressure to win as there was in Houston last season. If the Raiders snag Evans in the draft, I could see Schaub doing very well in Oakland.

thunderkyss
04-05-2014, 07:11 AM
Schaub has never been under Super Bowl type pressure as he suggested. He has faced the pressure of a Super Bowl or Bust season, but even though he did not have much help from the rest of the team, he did not perform well under that kind of pressure.


This team looked great with Schaub under center in 2011. We looked like a team that could win the Super Bowl. 2012, they did a good job of saying it was about the team, but everyone "knew" we didn't win it in 2011 because Schaub missed the end of the season. We were among the favorites to get to the Super Bowl in 2012, you're right, even though the whole team fell apart, the onus was placed squarely on Schaub.

2013 the pressure to win a Super Bowl was there & when he started the season throwing TDs to the other team, it was difficult not to put the blame on Schaub, even though he sat on the bench from week 7 on. I say difficult, because even though we won those first two games, the pick 6s kept coming, but the wins did not.

Nitrofish
04-06-2014, 01:11 AM
This team looked great with Schaub under center in 2011. We looked like a team that could win the Super Bowl. 2012, they did a good job of saying it was about the team, but everyone "knew" we didn't win it in 2011 because Schaub missed the end of the season. We were among the favorites to get to the Super Bowl in 2012, you're right, even though the whole team fell apart, the onus was placed squarely on Schaub.

2013 the pressure to win a Super Bowl was there & when he started the season throwing TDs to the other team, it was difficult not to put the blame on Schaub, even though he sat on the bench from week 7 on. I say difficult, because even though we won those first two games, the pick 6s kept coming, but the wins did not.

Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.

Peyton Manning and John Elway held the previous record for consecutive pick 6's, and they were allowed to play through it and not pulled for a 1st year UDFA because fans and the owner had a boner (nice rhyme) for a former U of H QB, who clearly was not ready when his number was called.

I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

thunderkyss
04-06-2014, 09:09 AM
I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

I'm with you. & when I saw the Steelers wishing & praying the Chargers would lose so they could get in at 8-8... smdh, all I could do. At 9-7 we would've been in since we beat San Diego week 1.

I had thought we learned that what you do in September don't mean crap, it's how you finish in December. I know things didn't look good for us December 2013, but they had already given up by then.

But the coaches are gone & ultimately they're the ones most responsible. Even if the owner is screaming from on high, start Case, start Case, as a coach you can keep doing what you know gives us the best chance to win (start Schaub) or find a way to make Case win. Our coaches couldn't do either....

So I'm done with that, ready to move on.

BullNation4Life
04-08-2014, 08:15 AM
Matty Pick 6 maybe the starter in Oakland, but the Texans starter is magic....


http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz80/Teach3D/ddfa2a68-dc8a-4a7e-839c-bcb369394350_zps9fd1b5f0.jpg?t=1396962766


FitzMagic!

MightyTExan
04-08-2014, 08:45 AM
Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.



http://media.tumblr.com/3c6f60916c0574714edf3da70172c2b7/tumblr_inline_mnwaoc1oiF1qz4rgp.gif

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2014, 11:19 AM
Just came across an interesting number on Schaub.........In his three seasons in Atlanta, Schaub passed for 1.033 yards and six touchdowns and six interceptions as he served as Michael Vick's backup.

TheIronDuke
04-08-2014, 11:48 AM
Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.

Peyton Manning and John Elway held the previous record for consecutive pick 6's, and they were allowed to play through it and not pulled for a 1st year UDFA because fans and the owner had a boner (nice rhyme) for a former U of H QB, who clearly was not ready when his number was called.

I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

Are you forgetting that Schaub started a few games after he proved he was terrible and he performed, predictably, terribly? Have you seen his stats the games that he started at the end of the year? You forget about all those picks he threw then, too?

Nitrofish
04-09-2014, 12:07 AM
I have not forgotten anything. I'm just a big picture guy. I don't base my opinions off of single games, or single seasons. No question Schaub was horrible last season, but no matter how hard you try to say it does, it does not make his career horrible.

It's funny to me how you guys cherry pick to make your points. Last season was last season, and it has not defined Schaub's career, at least not yet. If he plays in Oakland as he did last season for the Texans, it surely will, but give it a rest. Schaub's gone, and now we have Fitzmagic, and I for one can't wait to see that party train.

TheIronDuke
04-09-2014, 08:50 AM
I don't think anyone has said he's had a horrible career and I certainly haven't. Schaub had displayed about 1.5 seasons of inept and turnover-prone QB play. That was enough for me to see that he doesn't have it anymore. I don't think Fitzpatrick is better but I think he's pretty much the same and makes a hell of a lot less to play.

thunderkyss
04-09-2014, 08:52 AM
I don't think anyone has said he's had a horrible career and I certainly haven't. Schaub had displayed about 1.5 seasons of inept and turnover-prone QB play. That was enough for me to see that he doesn't have it anymore.

I don't know if he's got it anymore or not, but I'm ready to move on. Texans have been moving in the right direction since Kubiak got here, Schaub was a big part of that. But it's time to move on.

Hopefully we continue in the right direction.

Nitrofish
04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"

Never cared much for this guys articles no matter who they are on, but I did find one tidbit interesting regarding the belief around here that the Lisfranc injury was the cause of Schaub's demise.

Although there were late 2012 whispers that a hidden injury might be the root cause of Schaub's precipitous decline, the game film reveals no smoking gun. -Chris Wesseling

Not that his opinion proves or disproves these claims, but after studying film I came to the same conclusion.

But looking at this list of injuries it's makes an impact on how battered the guy was. Except for the bolded which I had to laugh at. When did an X-Ray or MRI become and injury? And what exactly is a lingering throwing shoulder injury that isn't listed prior to the lingering comment? Is an MRI on your hip considered an injury now? Don't they perform these things as a precaution? Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history
Torn ligaments in ankle - 2013
X-rays on left shoulder; ear injury - 2012
Lisfranc surgery; lingering throwing shoulder injury; MRI on hip - 2011
Inflamed bursa sac in knee; rib injury - 2010
Dislocated left shoulder; ankle injury - 2009
Torn MCL - 2008
Dislocated left shoulder; concussion; ankle; hip and lower back injuries - 2007

Wesseling goes on to say:
Successful pro quarterbacks don't turn stale over time. The fall is sudden and steep. -Chris Wesseling

Sure hope Schaub can prove him wrong, and I can't help but feel like this article is more of a dig at the Raiders than it is at Schaub.

What do you think?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000340761/article/oakland-raiders-matt-schaub-broken-beyond-repair

The Pencil Neck
04-11-2014, 12:06 PM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"

Never cared much for this guys articles no matter who they are on, but I did find one tidbit interesting regarding the belief around here that the Lisfranc injury was the cause of Schaub's demise.



Not that his opinion proves or disproves these claims, but after studying film I came to the same conclusion.

But looking at this list of injuries it's makes an impact on how battered the guy was. Except for the bolded which I had to laugh at. When did an X-Ray or MRI become and injury? And what exactly is a lingering throwing shoulder injury that isn't listed prior to the lingering comment? Is an MRI on your hip considered an injury now? Don't they perform these things as a precaution? Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history
Torn ligaments in ankle - 2013
X-rays on left shoulder; ear injury - 2012
Lisfranc surgery; lingering throwing shoulder injury; MRI on hip - 2011
Inflamed bursa sac in knee; rib injury - 2010
Dislocated left shoulder; ankle injury - 2009
Torn MCL - 2008
Dislocated left shoulder; concussion; ankle; hip and lower back injuries - 2007


An MRI or an x-ray isn't an injury but it's and indication that you're hurt in that area. You don't get an x-ray of your shoulder because it feels good.

And the thing about injuries is that they can get into your head and change the way you do things or think about things. I think that's what happened to Schaub after the lisfranc injury. I'm not saying he also wasn't experience residual physical effects but I think the mental aspects were what fell apart. His decision making suffered.

thunderkyss
04-11-2014, 12:38 PM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"
Although there were late 2012 whispers that a hidden injury might be the root cause of Schaub's precipitous decline, the game film reveals no smoking gun. -Chris Wesseling


I didn't read the article, but I didn't see anything to lead me to believe the foot was an issue at anytime in the last two years. Last year, he actually looked healthier than I had seen him in a long time & was really looking forward to an exciting year.

But alas... the record he broke was nowhere near my radar.

Nitrofish
04-11-2014, 02:46 PM
An MRI or an x-ray isn't an injury but it's and indication that you're hurt in that area. You don't get an x-ray of your shoulder because it feels good.

And the thing about injuries is that they can get into your head and change the way you do things or think about things. I think that's what happened to Schaub after the lisfranc injury. I'm not saying he also wasn't experience residual physical effects but I think the mental aspects were what fell apart. His decision making suffered.

Duh... but it is not an injury just because and X Ray or MRI is ordered. It hurts, but I had lots of parts that hurt after every game I ever played in, and to list it as on that injury list is fabrication to make his point.

The Pencil Neck
04-11-2014, 10:26 PM
Duh... but it is not an injury just because and X Ray or MRI is ordered. It hurts, but I had lots of parts that hurt after every game I ever played in, and to list it as on that injury list is fabrication to make his point.

Do you realize how long Tom Brady has been on the injury report of the New England Patriots with a Shoulder Injury?

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history

I am only responding to this question and his "throwing" shoulder injury. Yes, I was well aware of the history of his hip "injury." It was compliments of none other than Fat Albert, who managed to accurately direct his helmet into Schaub's hip. It was simply a muscle contusion injury, with no structural damage ever found from then to the present.

As far as the "throwing" shoulder injury. He first sustained a soft tissue bruise injury to his throwing shoulder in 2003 while at Virginia. Although it was reported initially as a "shoulder separation," no structural damage was ever detected with any imaging. He was held out two games without any firther problems the remainder of the season (in fact, he went on to score a 141 QB rating for that year). His 2011 listing (immediately prior to his Lisfranc) as a "lingering" throwing shoulder injury, was anything but lingering. It was a result of a significant right chest (pectoralis major muscle) contusion (bruise). Again, no structural damage was revealed on imaging the shoulder. Anyone whose ever had a significant muscular chest bruise, knows that any movement of the shoulder on the affected side can be extremely painful and limiting of its range of motion.

Wesseling would probably do better leaving injury reporting and interpretation to someone else.

Playoffs
04-13-2014, 11:59 AM
I am only responding to this question and his "throwing" shoulder injury. Yes, I was well aware of the history of his hip "injury." It was compliments of none other than Fat Albert, who managed to accurately direct his helmet into Schaub's hip. It was simply a muscle contusion injury, with no structural damage ever found from then to the present.

As far as the "throwing" shoulder injury. He first sustained a soft tissue bruise injury to his throwing shoulder in 2003 while at Virginia. Although it was reported initially as a "shoulder separation," no structural damage was ever detected with any imaging. He was held out two games without any firther problems the remainder of the season (in fact, he went on to score a 141 QB rating for that year). His 2011 listing (immediately prior to his Lisfranc) as a "lingering" throwing shoulder injury, was anything but lingering. It was a result of a significant right chest (pectoralis major muscle) contusion (bruise). Again, no structural damage was revealed on imaging the shoulder. Anyone whose ever had a significant muscular chest bruise, knows that any movement of the shoulder on the affected side can be extremely painful and limiting of its range of motion.

Wesseling would probably do better leaving injury reporting and interpretation to someone else.

You are the Joel Buchsbaum (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38173) of NFL injuries!!!

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