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Lucky
03-22-2014, 07:42 AM
Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/22/dennis-allen-matt-schaub-is-the-raiders-starting-quarterback/).

Matt Schaub (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/matt-schaub) will not need to win a quarterback competition in Oakland to become the Raiders’ starting quarterback. He already is the Raiders’ starting quarterback.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said after Schaub arrived in a trade with the Texans that Schaub will open the season as the No. 1 quarterback.

“We brought Matt Schaub in to be our starting quarterback (http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Coach-Allen-Press-Conference/9bf49ca6-b315-4e79-8db4-7c3d5a65cd88),” Allen said. “We feel very confident that he is going to be able to come in and function in that role and be outstanding for us. Obviously, we love having competition within the team, but right now Matt Schaub is our starting quarterback.”

The Raiders also have Terrelle Pryor (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6757/terrelle-pryor), Matt McGloin (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9194/matt-mcgloin) and Trent Edwards (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4220/trent-edwards) on the roster, and they could draft a quarterback like Teddy Bridgewater (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9274/teddy-bridgewater), Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9271/johnny-manziel) or Derek Carr (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9349/derek-carr). But Allen, who was an assistant coach in Atlanta when the Falcons drafted Schaub in 2004, says Schaub is his guy.

“This is a guy that is a two-time Pro Bowl player. When you get an opportunity to add those type of players, that’s what we’re looking to do,” Allen said.

Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 07:52 AM
I've got to admit that I was wrong about the Raiders looking for a starter. I thought they would be content with Pryor & McGluv'n....

Perhaps I was also wrong about the Browns as they were also said to be interested in trading for him.

IDEXAN
03-22-2014, 08:15 AM
I have no idea what kind of a season Schaub is gonna have in Oakland, but he might fool a lot of Texans "fans" who think he's washed up in this league. Obviously there's quite a few NFL people (and not just the Raider's HC) who think Matts still got a future in this league. BTW, Schaub was a whole lot cheaper for the Raiders than Carson was.

Thorn
03-22-2014, 08:16 AM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 08:16 AM
Yes this was the plan all along. After two 4-12 seasons -- hampered by salary cap -- Reggie needs to show some improvement now to keep his job, IMO.

I think it'll be Browns vs. Raiders for Sammy Watkins.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 08:35 AM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

Matt usually does a pretty good job about getting the ball out & avoiding sacks. Not as good as Peyton, but better than most.

kingtexan
03-22-2014, 10:56 AM
Championship ...

StarStruck
03-22-2014, 11:41 AM
Championship ...

Oh dear, I never considered Oakland going to the Super Bowl any time soon until now. :)

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 03:40 PM
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.

If something doesn't dramatically change this year, Schaub will only think he had a bad OL. Last year, ProFootballFocus (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/) ranked Raiders OL line at #29 as compared to Texans #16.:kitten:

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 03:57 PM
If something doesn't dramatically change this year, Schaub will only think he had a bad OL. Last year, ProFootballFocus (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/) ranked Raiders OL line at #29 as compared to Texans #16.:kitten:

Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

htownfan32
03-22-2014, 04:25 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 04:27 PM
Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 05:47 PM
I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

That's what I understand.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 06:12 PM
Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.

Losing Veldheer is a negative. Penn has durability but is far from anything special.......and he is not OT material, maybe guard. The Raiders continue to pee money down the drain with contracts such as what humdrum Howard got. And Boothe looked less than stellar with the Giants playing guard or center. Last but not least, wasn't Watson the one someone on the Raiders said he just doesn't look like he has it? Between calf and knee injuries and surgery, he virtually never saw the field........and if I remember, he's never played LT, but that was what they wanted of him. I've never really understood the Raiders of old. And now, the Raiders are getting rid of Al's players while replacing them just as quickly with more expensive but no more productive players.

I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)

Blake
03-22-2014, 06:46 PM
I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)

Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 07:29 PM
Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.

If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 08:12 PM
I thought they failed Saffold on a physical (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24480543/roger-saffold-fails-physical-raiders-contract-now-voided)& St. Louis re-signed (http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/6857/breaking-down-rodger-saffolds-contract)him.

Yep, my bad, did read the fine print.

Blake
03-22-2014, 09:54 PM
If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:

Not sure that I agree with your assessment. I believe they are day 1 starter material. Moses at RT and Richardson at RG.

Trap_Star
03-22-2014, 10:13 PM
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.

ObsiWan
03-22-2014, 11:44 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.
I believe we'll have to put NitroFish in a padded room.
...with no internet access
:kitten:

False Start
03-23-2014, 12:53 AM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?
I think I might cry if that happens.

I would find the nearest kitten and punch it. ;) :littlelol:

Norg
03-23-2014, 01:39 AM
om man get rdy for PICK SIXES and a bunch of throw aways OAK town LOL

if matt thought the AFCS was a hard Div now he has to face

SAN DEGIO

CHEIFS

DENVER

all twice yikes ..!!!! LOL

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 07:50 AM
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.

Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.

Lucky
03-23-2014, 08:59 AM
They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him.
I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2014, 11:42 AM
I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.

Which they've developed an immunity to at this point.

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 06:45 PM
I believe we'll have to put NitroFish in a padded room.
...with no internet access
:kitten:

lol...

Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.

Yea I think they made a great move for a change and not because I am a Schaub fan, but for the exact reason you stated. If he delivers they are geniuses, if he fails it cost them next to nothing, and everyone will say "It's The Raiders what did you expect?"

If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.

Goatcheese
03-23-2014, 07:01 PM
Poor Schaub. What did he ever do to deserve being shipped off to the black hole?

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 07:01 PM
If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.

It's a QB driven league. If Greg Olsen does everything he can to get Schaub into his zone & keep him there, I think Schaub is going to surprise a lot of people. If they try to build their offensive attack around McFadden, they're just asking for trouble.

Texan_Bill
03-23-2014, 08:06 PM
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!

Playoffs
03-23-2014, 10:18 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Raiders QB Matt Schaub restructured deal with OAK, lowering base salary and cap # this year; still can earn $15-$20M the next two seasons.

NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL
Matt Schaub re-did his deal with Raiders, per @RapSheet. Lowers base salary, but can earn between $13M and $21M over the next two years.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2014, 09:27 AM
Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/22/dennis-allen-matt-schaub-is-the-raiders-starting-quarterback/).


Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.

Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail

Dread-Head
03-24-2014, 10:12 AM
Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.

thunderkyss
03-24-2014, 10:16 AM
Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen told reporters (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336217/article/dennis-allen-raiders-options-open-with-no-5-pick) Friday he saw Matt Schaub as a long-term solution who could lead the team at quarterback for several years.

That faith in Schaub's ability won't necessarily preclude the Raiders from investing in a QB in the upcoming NFL Draft, however.

"I don't think you ever take anything off the table," Allen told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport and a small group of reporters at the NFL Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla. on Sunday. "You have your checklist. We've got these holes we need to fill. That's one that we feel like we've been able to check off the list. We filled that."




Most interesting, I thought, was how they were talking on the video that the offseason moves made by the Raiders gives you the feel that they are in "win now" mode.

They were last place in a division where the other three teams had winning records, they all made the play-offs. Surely they were not one player away from a winning season, much less a championship. They've got "holes" all over their roster, but they're making a "substantial" push to "win now"

I think they're treading water, but I'll keep an ear to the ground to see if anyone else thinks they may be on the move.

Lucky
03-24-2014, 10:17 AM
Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail
Hey, I was trying to be positive. Schaub can lead a team to FG range. But he can't kick it in for ya.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 10:24 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.

thunderkyss
03-24-2014, 10:26 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL

Kinda curious. I thought one of the apealing things about him was that he was going to take up a big chunk of their salary cap. This move kinda kills that line of thinking. I'd like to see more details... I didn't think Schaub would want to restructure.

Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.

I never put too much into the not being able to audible yak. The offense is designed the way it's designed and the traditional audible system was not necessary.

When you watch the videos here (http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/3/6/5476912/the-bill-obrien-prototype-what-houstons-new-head-honcho-expects-from), you can see how a single play can unfold several different ways depending on what the QB sees before & after the snap. In one of them, he mentions how the routes on one side of the field are designed to attack a zone defense & the other side, the routes are designed to attack man defense. So if the QB sees zone, his read starts on that side of the field & works back the other way. If he reads man, it starts on the other side & works back from there.

Then both sides have adjustments for the blitz.

I understand wanting our QB to have the freedom (or the snap) to change a play to adjust for a mismatch in our favor, but that's totally different than being able to read a defense... which I thought Matt was pretty good at.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 12:05 PM
Marc Sessler ‏@MarcSesslerNFL
Reggie McKenzie says Terrelle Pryor has talked with his agent about wanting to be released by the #Raiders.

thunderkyss
03-25-2014, 09:57 AM
I've got a Raiders forum bookmarked. I don't ever post there, don't have an account, just visit from time to time to get opinions on things that are not Houston-Centric. I've also got boards from most other teams bookmarked for the same thing.

This Raiders board is one of the ones I rarely visit, just not that interested in the constant moaning & groaning. But I decided to take a look after the recent interaction between our two teams.

So..... here's a link (http://www.blackreign.net/raidernation/index.php?threads/schrub.9676/), you may be interested in.

thunderkyss
03-25-2014, 10:10 AM
Raiders coach Dennis Allen on Matt Schaub: (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/03/25/raiders-coach-dennis-allen-on-matt-schaub-we-have-a-quarterback-now-thats-on-par-with-the-quarterbacks-in-this-division/) “We have a quarterback now that’s on par with the quarterbacks in this division”

-ALLEN: My preference is, guys that can move the team down the field, guys who can put points on the board. I think there’s certain qualities you look at in the quarterbacks that have been able to be successful over the years.
I’m talking about guys like Drew Brees, who I was with, I’m talking about guys like Peyton Manning, I’m talking about guys like Tom Brady, guys that their work ethic is unmatched; they’re the first ones in the building, they’re the last one to leave.

They have the ability to process information quickly and they can throw the ball with timing and accuracy. And those are the things you have to be able to do to play the quarterback position.

Double Barrel
03-25-2014, 10:29 AM
I wish Schaub the best. I honestly hope the Raiders win the division. Most likely not going to happen, but I would love the turmoil it would cause if it happened.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2014, 10:42 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.

Not surprising. After the season he had here in Houston, and the way he was treated, I doubt he had any intention of playing for the Texans this year.

thunderkyss
03-26-2014, 11:54 AM
Koch&Kalu (http://www.sports790.com/media/podcast-koch-kalu-koch_and_kalu/wednesday-march-26-2014-1-24532254/).. <-- they discuss a lot of stuff on this podcast with a former scout. He's got a lot to say about Schaub starting aroun 18:20

mattieuk
03-26-2014, 02:36 PM
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!

I'm with you here Bill. He put in some very good years in Houston - and time will tell whether he has anything left in the tank.

It will be interesting to see how he does in Oakland, after an offseason of learning a new system. Obviously the coaching staff over there have plans/a belief in him getting the job done.

It was just one of those times where someone's natural stay had come to an end. It is sort of like a Peyton in Indy ending for me. The team did not view the player as the future, and the player wanted another chance to prove their worth in the league. It should be an amicable ending to his tenure in Houston and a fresh start for both parties.

ObsiWan
03-26-2014, 04:55 PM
Hey, I was trying to be positive. Schaub can lead a team to FG range. But he can't kick it in for ya.
Is that a foot joke?
:shades:

Nitrofish
03-26-2014, 05:07 PM
Koch&Kalu (http://www.sports790.com/media/podcast-koch-kalu-koch_and_kalu/wednesday-march-26-2014-1-24532254/).. <-- they discuss a lot of stuff on this podcast with a former scout. He's got a lot to say about Schaub starting aroun 18:20

Thanks for the share TK. Was a good interview and debate. It's funny that this will be the soap opera story of the season. All of the haters sitting on the edge of their seat chanting "pick 6", pick 6, pick 6" every time Schaub plays, and all of the supporters fingers crossed, biting their nails chanting "no pick 6, no pick 6, no pick 6". Good Luck Matt!

Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?

Wolf6151
03-26-2014, 11:53 PM
I wish him all the best, except when he plays the Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
03-29-2014, 08:11 PM
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

houstonspartan
03-29-2014, 08:42 PM
What if (crackhead theory) Schaub leads Oakland to a championship?

I think I might cry if that happens.


I would not cry. It would simply cement my dislike for Gary Kubiak as a coach and prove my theory that he's a fraud.


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NastyNate
03-29-2014, 11:35 PM
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

Annefranc's sister hates Oakland?

Playoffs
03-30-2014, 11:40 AM
So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?

Lisfranc Island... where football careers go to slowly wither away. http://www.h2g2.com/h2g2/skins/Alabaster/images/Smilies/f_island.gif

Goldensilence
03-30-2014, 11:40 AM
With the contract restructure it makes the deal appear better. If Oakland views as a stop gap starter who could regain form it's a win for both teams really.

Another case of hope he does well, just wasn't going to happen in Houston.

Lucky
03-30-2014, 12:40 PM
Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?
Who besides the Raiders ever thought Pryor could play QB in the NFL? Now, they know better. Pryor was Al Davis' last draft pick. That should tell you everything you need to know about Pryor.

Goldensilence
03-30-2014, 03:06 PM
Thanks for the share TK. Was a good interview and debate. It's funny that this will be the soap opera story of the season. All of the haters sitting on the edge of their seat chanting "pick 6", pick 6, pick 6" every time Schaub plays, and all of the supporters fingers crossed, biting their nails chanting "no pick 6, no pick 6, no pick 6". Good Luck Matt!

Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?

Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

The Pencil Neck
03-30-2014, 03:11 PM
Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

I had heard reports that TP had demanded his trade/release before the trade was even publicly being discussed. So it sounds like he's unhappy with something he's heard from the coaches about the direction they want to go or they're asking him to do something he doesn't want to do.

Nitrofish
03-31-2014, 09:54 PM
Who besides the Raiders ever thought Pryor could play QB in the NFL? Now, they know better. Pryor was Al Davis' last draft pick. That should tell you everything you need to know about Pryor.

I agree with this, but I would imagine that TP himself thinks he can play, which is why he is so upset they went out and got MS. Al Davis lost his mind over the last decade, but prior to that, he was pretty good at spotting talent. Obviously he got this one wrong.

Not sure why TP is demanding a trade or release. At this point he's not going to get a much better chance at seeing playing time elsewhere. Schaub is penciled in as starter, but if he struggles or gets injured he could be next in line if he sat down and worked at learning to be an NFL QB.

The only other option is head back to the state of Ohio in Cleveland to battle for a spot.

It has to be a pride thing, because you are right. Any clear thinking human should see opportunity to gain valuable mentoring from someone who has played at a high level in the NFL, but apparently Pryor thinks he is better than Schaub and should be starting.

I have not heard any teams clamoring to acquire TP, but who knows, someone might have some interest in such a project.

"The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps" -Marsellus Wallace

Lucky
03-31-2014, 10:59 PM
Al Davis lost his mind over the last decade, but prior to that, he was pretty good at spotting talent. Obviously he got this one wrong.
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

drs23
04-01-2014, 08:05 PM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

:goodpost:

Spot on.

HOU-TEX
04-02-2014, 08:49 AM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

Sounds similar to that other NFL team in Texas.....

Double Barrel
04-02-2014, 10:25 AM
Al Davis was the driving force behind the AFL, whose merger with the NFL was the impetus for pro football overtaking baseball and becoming the nation's new pastime. What we watch on Sundays now is AFL football, which was Al Davis' vision. If there was a Mt Rushmore of pro football, Al Davis should be on it. But he had no business running the Raiders at the end. And everyone except Davis knew it.

I agree completely. MSR

The AFL was good for pro football. They pushed the envelop to make games exciting and challenged the old guard of the NFL to wake up. Today's NFL would not be what it is without the passing game, and the AFL's influence is a big part of that on-going trend.

silvrhand
04-02-2014, 01:20 PM
TP has flashed more potential than MS has last year.. someone will give him a chance..

infantrycak
04-02-2014, 02:13 PM
TP has flashed more potential than MS has last year.. someone will give him a chance..

Pryor was worse than Schaub last year and hasn't shown anything to make folks believe he will ever be pre-injury Schaub.

Vance87
04-02-2014, 07:04 PM
Maurice Jones-Drew thinks Matt Schaub can lead Raiders to Super Bowl

“You can definitely [make the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub at quarterback],” Jones-Drew said during an interview on Sirius’ Mad Dog Sports Radio. “[Schaub] has something to prove this year. I know Matt Schaub is a guy who can lead us.”

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/02/maurice-jones-drew-matt-schaub-oakland-raiders-super-bowl/?eref=sihp

Nitrofish
04-05-2014, 02:15 AM
Pryor was worse than Schaub last year and hasn't shown anything to make folks believe he will ever be pre-injury Schaub.

msr

Maurice Jones-Drew thinks Matt Schaub can lead Raiders to Super Bowl

http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/02/maurice-jones-drew-matt-schaub-oakland-raiders-super-bowl/?eref=sihp

I don't know what anyone expects MJD to say. "No way, he sucks, I only came here for the cash" I mean it seemed to me like MJD tried to get off the topic pretty quick, and his answer was weird anyway. Schaub has never been under Super Bowl type pressure as he suggested. He has faced the pressure of a Super Bowl or Bust season, but even though he did not have much help from the rest of the team, he did not perform well under that kind of pressure.

The Raiders fans see Schaub as an upgrade over what they have had since Rich Gannon, so I am not sure there is as much pressure to win as there was in Houston last season. If the Raiders snag Evans in the draft, I could see Schaub doing very well in Oakland.

thunderkyss
04-05-2014, 07:11 AM
Schaub has never been under Super Bowl type pressure as he suggested. He has faced the pressure of a Super Bowl or Bust season, but even though he did not have much help from the rest of the team, he did not perform well under that kind of pressure.


This team looked great with Schaub under center in 2011. We looked like a team that could win the Super Bowl. 2012, they did a good job of saying it was about the team, but everyone "knew" we didn't win it in 2011 because Schaub missed the end of the season. We were among the favorites to get to the Super Bowl in 2012, you're right, even though the whole team fell apart, the onus was placed squarely on Schaub.

2013 the pressure to win a Super Bowl was there & when he started the season throwing TDs to the other team, it was difficult not to put the blame on Schaub, even though he sat on the bench from week 7 on. I say difficult, because even though we won those first two games, the pick 6s kept coming, but the wins did not.

Nitrofish
04-06-2014, 01:11 AM
This team looked great with Schaub under center in 2011. We looked like a team that could win the Super Bowl. 2012, they did a good job of saying it was about the team, but everyone "knew" we didn't win it in 2011 because Schaub missed the end of the season. We were among the favorites to get to the Super Bowl in 2012, you're right, even though the whole team fell apart, the onus was placed squarely on Schaub.

2013 the pressure to win a Super Bowl was there & when he started the season throwing TDs to the other team, it was difficult not to put the blame on Schaub, even though he sat on the bench from week 7 on. I say difficult, because even though we won those first two games, the pick 6s kept coming, but the wins did not.

Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.

Peyton Manning and John Elway held the previous record for consecutive pick 6's, and they were allowed to play through it and not pulled for a 1st year UDFA because fans and the owner had a boner (nice rhyme) for a former U of H QB, who clearly was not ready when his number was called.

I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

thunderkyss
04-06-2014, 09:09 AM
I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

I'm with you. & when I saw the Steelers wishing & praying the Chargers would lose so they could get in at 8-8... smdh, all I could do. At 9-7 we would've been in since we beat San Diego week 1.

I had thought we learned that what you do in September don't mean crap, it's how you finish in December. I know things didn't look good for us December 2013, but they had already given up by then.

But the coaches are gone & ultimately they're the ones most responsible. Even if the owner is screaming from on high, start Case, start Case, as a coach you can keep doing what you know gives us the best chance to win (start Schaub) or find a way to make Case win. Our coaches couldn't do either....

So I'm done with that, ready to move on.

BullNation4Life
04-08-2014, 08:15 AM
Matty Pick 6 maybe the starter in Oakland, but the Texans starter is magic....


http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz80/Teach3D/ddfa2a68-dc8a-4a7e-839c-bcb369394350_zps9fd1b5f0.jpg?t=1396962766


FitzMagic!

MightyTExan
04-08-2014, 08:45 AM
Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.



http://media.tumblr.com/3c6f60916c0574714edf3da70172c2b7/tumblr_inline_mnwaoc1oiF1qz4rgp.gif

CloakNNNdagger
04-08-2014, 11:19 AM
Just came across an interesting number on Schaub.........In his three seasons in Atlanta, Schaub passed for 1.033 yards and six touchdowns and six interceptions as he served as Michael Vick's backup.

TheIronDuke
04-08-2014, 11:48 AM
Remember now that Rivers also started out his season throwing a TD to the other team, yet he still had a pretty good season. The pick 6's are way overblown, and those who believe they would have just kept coming are kidding themselves. I can only think of 1 that actually cost the Texans the game. The rest of the losses were team losses, not all on Schaub.

Peyton Manning and John Elway held the previous record for consecutive pick 6's, and they were allowed to play through it and not pulled for a 1st year UDFA because fans and the owner had a boner (nice rhyme) for a former U of H QB, who clearly was not ready when his number was called.

I'm am not going to go into again, but everyone gave up on the season way too soon in my eyes, and I believe the Texans would have won more than 2 games had Schaub been allowed to play through the slump IMHO. How many more? Who knows, but giving up on the season, and throwing Keenum to the wolves was a bad idea.

Are you forgetting that Schaub started a few games after he proved he was terrible and he performed, predictably, terribly? Have you seen his stats the games that he started at the end of the year? You forget about all those picks he threw then, too?

Nitrofish
04-09-2014, 12:07 AM
I have not forgotten anything. I'm just a big picture guy. I don't base my opinions off of single games, or single seasons. No question Schaub was horrible last season, but no matter how hard you try to say it does, it does not make his career horrible.

It's funny to me how you guys cherry pick to make your points. Last season was last season, and it has not defined Schaub's career, at least not yet. If he plays in Oakland as he did last season for the Texans, it surely will, but give it a rest. Schaub's gone, and now we have Fitzmagic, and I for one can't wait to see that party train.

TheIronDuke
04-09-2014, 08:50 AM
I don't think anyone has said he's had a horrible career and I certainly haven't. Schaub had displayed about 1.5 seasons of inept and turnover-prone QB play. That was enough for me to see that he doesn't have it anymore. I don't think Fitzpatrick is better but I think he's pretty much the same and makes a hell of a lot less to play.

thunderkyss
04-09-2014, 08:52 AM
I don't think anyone has said he's had a horrible career and I certainly haven't. Schaub had displayed about 1.5 seasons of inept and turnover-prone QB play. That was enough for me to see that he doesn't have it anymore.

I don't know if he's got it anymore or not, but I'm ready to move on. Texans have been moving in the right direction since Kubiak got here, Schaub was a big part of that. But it's time to move on.

Hopefully we continue in the right direction.

Nitrofish
04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"

Never cared much for this guys articles no matter who they are on, but I did find one tidbit interesting regarding the belief around here that the Lisfranc injury was the cause of Schaub's demise.

Although there were late 2012 whispers that a hidden injury might be the root cause of Schaub's precipitous decline, the game film reveals no smoking gun. -Chris Wesseling

Not that his opinion proves or disproves these claims, but after studying film I came to the same conclusion.

But looking at this list of injuries it's makes an impact on how battered the guy was. Except for the bolded which I had to laugh at. When did an X-Ray or MRI become and injury? And what exactly is a lingering throwing shoulder injury that isn't listed prior to the lingering comment? Is an MRI on your hip considered an injury now? Don't they perform these things as a precaution? Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history
Torn ligaments in ankle - 2013
X-rays on left shoulder; ear injury - 2012
Lisfranc surgery; lingering throwing shoulder injury; MRI on hip - 2011
Inflamed bursa sac in knee; rib injury - 2010
Dislocated left shoulder; ankle injury - 2009
Torn MCL - 2008
Dislocated left shoulder; concussion; ankle; hip and lower back injuries - 2007

Wesseling goes on to say:
Successful pro quarterbacks don't turn stale over time. The fall is sudden and steep. -Chris Wesseling

Sure hope Schaub can prove him wrong, and I can't help but feel like this article is more of a dig at the Raiders than it is at Schaub.

What do you think?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000340761/article/oakland-raiders-matt-schaub-broken-beyond-repair

The Pencil Neck
04-11-2014, 12:06 PM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"

Never cared much for this guys articles no matter who they are on, but I did find one tidbit interesting regarding the belief around here that the Lisfranc injury was the cause of Schaub's demise.



Not that his opinion proves or disproves these claims, but after studying film I came to the same conclusion.

But looking at this list of injuries it's makes an impact on how battered the guy was. Except for the bolded which I had to laugh at. When did an X-Ray or MRI become and injury? And what exactly is a lingering throwing shoulder injury that isn't listed prior to the lingering comment? Is an MRI on your hip considered an injury now? Don't they perform these things as a precaution? Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history
Torn ligaments in ankle - 2013
X-rays on left shoulder; ear injury - 2012
Lisfranc surgery; lingering throwing shoulder injury; MRI on hip - 2011
Inflamed bursa sac in knee; rib injury - 2010
Dislocated left shoulder; ankle injury - 2009
Torn MCL - 2008
Dislocated left shoulder; concussion; ankle; hip and lower back injuries - 2007


An MRI or an x-ray isn't an injury but it's and indication that you're hurt in that area. You don't get an x-ray of your shoulder because it feels good.

And the thing about injuries is that they can get into your head and change the way you do things or think about things. I think that's what happened to Schaub after the lisfranc injury. I'm not saying he also wasn't experience residual physical effects but I think the mental aspects were what fell apart. His decision making suffered.

thunderkyss
04-11-2014, 12:38 PM
NFL.com's Around the League Writer Chris Wesseling asks "Oakland Raiders' Matt Schaub broken beyond repair?"
Although there were late 2012 whispers that a hidden injury might be the root cause of Schaub's precipitous decline, the game film reveals no smoking gun. -Chris Wesseling


I didn't read the article, but I didn't see anything to lead me to believe the foot was an issue at anytime in the last two years. Last year, he actually looked healthier than I had seen him in a long time & was really looking forward to an exciting year.

But alas... the record he broke was nowhere near my radar.

Nitrofish
04-11-2014, 02:46 PM
An MRI or an x-ray isn't an injury but it's and indication that you're hurt in that area. You don't get an x-ray of your shoulder because it feels good.

And the thing about injuries is that they can get into your head and change the way you do things or think about things. I think that's what happened to Schaub after the lisfranc injury. I'm not saying he also wasn't experience residual physical effects but I think the mental aspects were what fell apart. His decision making suffered.

Duh... but it is not an injury just because and X Ray or MRI is ordered. It hurts, but I had lots of parts that hurt after every game I ever played in, and to list it as on that injury list is fabrication to make his point.

The Pencil Neck
04-11-2014, 10:26 PM
Duh... but it is not an injury just because and X Ray or MRI is ordered. It hurts, but I had lots of parts that hurt after every game I ever played in, and to list it as on that injury list is fabrication to make his point.

Do you realize how long Tom Brady has been on the injury report of the New England Patriots with a Shoulder Injury?

CloakNNNdagger
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
Anyone aware of this hip injury?

Matt Schaub's injury history

I am only responding to this question and his "throwing" shoulder injury. Yes, I was well aware of the history of his hip "injury." It was compliments of none other than Fat Albert, who managed to accurately direct his helmet into Schaub's hip. It was simply a muscle contusion injury, with no structural damage ever found from then to the present.

As far as the "throwing" shoulder injury. He first sustained a soft tissue bruise injury to his throwing shoulder in 2003 while at Virginia. Although it was reported initially as a "shoulder separation," no structural damage was ever detected with any imaging. He was held out two games without any firther problems the remainder of the season (in fact, he went on to score a 141 QB rating for that year). His 2011 listing (immediately prior to his Lisfranc) as a "lingering" throwing shoulder injury, was anything but lingering. It was a result of a significant right chest (pectoralis major muscle) contusion (bruise). Again, no structural damage was revealed on imaging the shoulder. Anyone whose ever had a significant muscular chest bruise, knows that any movement of the shoulder on the affected side can be extremely painful and limiting of its range of motion.

Wesseling would probably do better leaving injury reporting and interpretation to someone else.

Playoffs
04-13-2014, 11:59 AM
I am only responding to this question and his "throwing" shoulder injury. Yes, I was well aware of the history of his hip "injury." It was compliments of none other than Fat Albert, who managed to accurately direct his helmet into Schaub's hip. It was simply a muscle contusion injury, with no structural damage ever found from then to the present.

As far as the "throwing" shoulder injury. He first sustained a soft tissue bruise injury to his throwing shoulder in 2003 while at Virginia. Although it was reported initially as a "shoulder separation," no structural damage was ever detected with any imaging. He was held out two games without any firther problems the remainder of the season (in fact, he went on to score a 141 QB rating for that year). His 2011 listing (immediately prior to his Lisfranc) as a "lingering" throwing shoulder injury, was anything but lingering. It was a result of a significant right chest (pectoralis major muscle) contusion (bruise). Again, no structural damage was revealed on imaging the shoulder. Anyone whose ever had a significant muscular chest bruise, knows that any movement of the shoulder on the affected side can be extremely painful and limiting of its range of motion.

Wesseling would probably do better leaving injury reporting and interpretation to someone else.

You are the Joel Buchsbaum (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38173) of NFL injuries!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

nero THE zero
05-23-2014, 11:43 AM
Oakland Raiders QB Matt Schaub is excited to have more control of the offense in Oakland. "To come to an offense where the coach is looking to give you more freedom, and looking to give you more control of things," Schaub said. "I had that in some aspects in Houston, but there are things I'm being asked to do here that I didn't have control of in Houston. I would have loved to, but we just weren't in control of it. To now be in that position, and being the quarterback, that's such a great place to be because you can get everyone on the same page."

Per KFFL.

Interesting to see it come from the horse's mouth finally.

Also makes me curious how this dynamic plays out in Baltimore with Kubiak as an OC. Does he take freedoms (if they existed in the first place) from Flacco, or does he bite his tongue and submit to how things were done?

drs23
05-23-2014, 11:50 AM
Per KFFL.

Interesting to see it come from the horse's mouth finally.

Also makes me curious how this dynamic plays out in Baltimore with Kubiak as an OC. Does he take freedoms (if they existed in the first place) from Flacco, or does he bite his tongue and submit to how things were done?

Ditto on the first. Schaub as a rule looked good when directing the two minute offense. I'm happy for the guy.

To the second, I've wondered how much latitude GK would have to run "his" offence. Will Harbaugh just turn over the reins, or real him in.

It's going to be an interesting season on many fronts.

playa465
05-23-2014, 11:52 AM
Matt Schaub excited to have more control with Raiders

NFL.COM Full Article (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353044/article/matt-schaub-excited-to-have-more-control-with-raiders)

One responsibility Schaub didn't have in Gary Kubiak's offense during his seven seasons with the Houston Texans was the ability to make his own checks and calls at the line. The 32-year-old quarterback hints that he might finally have those duties.

"To now be in that position, and being the quarterback, that's such a great place to be because you can get everyone on the same page," Schaub said. "You can get into a great play, a better play that you had called. ... It's a work in progress, but I'm ecstatic to have that situation because it's something I've wanted to try and get to."

xtruroyaltyx
05-23-2014, 11:57 AM
Some people denied it until the end, but I think it was fairly obvious that Schaub didn't have as much control at the LOS as some would have liked to believe.

And I'm not talking Peyton Manning style audibling...I'm just talking averge run of the mill type stuff that most good QB's can do.

As much as I was down on Schaub, I will say that I did want to see how he'd do with a little more freedom.

Kubiak's offense is great. I have some first hand experience with that type of offense. You don't have to have the most talented guys out there to be successful with it. I also know that for the QB a lot of it is streamlined. QB's will almost always perform better in that offense than they do in other places. But at the same time, there are certain points within a game where it can hurt a QB. Overall numbers might be better, but in specific instances it might hold a QB back some.

Double Barrel
05-23-2014, 12:01 PM
I thought it was fairly common knowledge (and even substantiated) that Schaub had 2-3 options at the LOS, but they were very limited in scope.

kingtexan
05-23-2014, 12:18 PM
He had the option of whether or not to let go of the ball ... but yet, pick 6 ... pick 6 ... pick 6 ...

Dread-Head
05-23-2014, 12:20 PM
My question is this. As an OC does Kubiak's "no audibles" rule still apply or does the HC get veto power?

Porky
05-23-2014, 12:39 PM
I think the question always was the chicken and egg thing. Was the offense the same for John Elway as for Schaub, or was Schaub not given free reign because he wasn't capable in Kube's eyes?

In other words is the offense the offense no matter who is under center, or is it dependent upon the signal caller. :kitten:

Double Barrel
05-23-2014, 12:53 PM
If Schaub excels in Oakland and shows that he's capable of making pre-snap adjustments, then perhaps the only logical conclusion is that Kubiak was a control freak.

Sage Rosenfels talked a lot about this offense after he left Houston. He said it is good for QBs because it is easy to learn, but bad because it never gave QBs much control to change things.

Here is that radio interview on the forum. It was a very informative conversation with Rosenfels:

Sage Rosenfels talking about playing QB in our Offense (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101516)

WolverineFan
05-23-2014, 12:54 PM
If Schaub excels in Oakland and shows that he's capable of making pre-snap adjustments, then perhaps the only logical conclusion is that Kubiak was a control freak.


I thought this was pretty well established around these parts.

Double Barrel
05-23-2014, 12:57 PM
I thought this was pretty well established around these parts.

Yes, true, it was, but there was always that underlying debate regarding "why" he was a control freak, i.e. because Schaub was incapable or Gary was unwilling to give his QBs more autonomy on the field.

WolverineFan
05-23-2014, 01:00 PM
Yes, true, it was, but there was always that underlying debate regarding "why" he was a control freak, i.e. because Schaub was incapable or Gary was unwilling to give his QBs more autonomy on the field.

I was always of the belief that it was all Gary and had nothing to do with Schaub. Schaub is an intelligent guy and could make those calls if given the clearance. Gary wants total control of the offense though.

xtruroyaltyx
05-23-2014, 01:29 PM
JMO, but I think it was on Gary. I think he was slow to change and wasn't very flexible.

I don't think Schaub was so dumb that he couldn't handle more responsibilities.

Of course I always hold out hope that people can learn. So maybe Kubiak will learn from some mistakes he made here and improve himself in Oakland.

kingtexan
05-23-2014, 01:36 PM
So maybe Kubiak will learn from some mistakes he made here and improve himself in Oakland.

If Kubiak improves himself in Oakland I will be amazed ... :boogereater:

Double Barrel
05-23-2014, 02:24 PM
I was always of the belief that it was all Gary and had nothing to do with Schaub. Schaub is an intelligent guy and could make those calls if given the clearance. Gary wants total control of the offense though.

I agree, which is what I was alluding to in my initial post about thinking this was fairly common knowledge.

Kubiak, and Wade, both had a very stubborn attitudes that if the players would execute their schemes correctly, then they could beat anyone. But, that perspective never seemed to put much importance on adjustments and predictability, and it certainly never seemed to give the QB much discretion.

I doubt Kubiak has that kind of latitude in Baltimore. Just a hunch on my part, but I think Harbaugh is in full control and will set the agenda and how they implement it.

pirbroke
05-23-2014, 02:30 PM
Schaub just wants to yell out Omaha a bunch of times.

thunderkyss
05-24-2014, 05:51 AM
Some people denied it until the end, but I think it was fairly obvious that Schaub didn't have as much control at the LOS as some would have liked to believe.


So far, what I've read it sounds like Matt will be calling his protections, something Chris Myers did in Houston, with Kubiak.

Even in the two minute drill, Chris Myers was calling the protections.

CloakNNNdagger
05-24-2014, 04:51 PM
The Houston system under coach Gary Kubiak restricted Schaub in terms of changing plays at the line of scrimmage. With the Raiders, Schaub will be free to get the Raiders out of a bad play based on the look he gets from a defense.

"You can get stale," Olson said. "I think we've tried our best to stimulate him, to motivate him to get back to the level of play he had shown in the past. He's taken the full reins of that."

Andre Ware, the former Heisman Trophy winner who serves as the Texans' radio color analyst, said in a recent interview on 95.7 The Game that being unable to audible in Kubiak's system is "like playing with one arm tied behind your back."

Said Schaub: "There are things I'm being asked to do here that I didn't have control of in Houston. I would have loved to, but we just weren't in control of it. To now be in that position, it's such a great place to be because you can get everybody on the same page."

Ware said Schaub appeared to lose his confidence last season in a Week 2 loss to Seattle and it "just kind of snowballed" to the point that "he just didn't have that zip in the middle portion of the season that he had in training camp."
Raiders quarterback Matt Schaub poses for a photograph at the Raiders’ headquarters in Alameda, Calif., Thursday, May 22, 2014. (Anda Chu/Bay Area
Raiders quarterback Matt Schaub poses for a photograph at the Raiders' headquarters in Alameda, Calif., Thursday, May 22, 2014. (Anda Chu/Bay Area News Group) ( ANDA CHU )

However, Ware fully expects Schaub to return to form.

"The best thing that could have happened for Matt is a change of scenery and a chance to hit the restart button," Ware said. "I think he'll flourish in Oakland."

In the meantime, Schaub has spent the first five weeks of the offseason program learning everything he can about his teammates so he can maximize his ability to lead.

"As a quarterback, you have to be somewhat of a psychologist," Schaub said. "Can I joke around in the huddle to keep this guy loose? Does this guy need a little fire lit under him?"

On a team with several veteran free agents that were essentially sent packing by their former employers, Schaub said, "I'm definitely in that group ... you've got to have that edge or you'll take something for granted and before you know it it will be gone.

"You've got to prove to the coaches, the owners, the G.M., that you're the guy for the job."link (http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_25825090/raiders-matt-schaub-enjoying-his-oakland-reboot?source=rss)

2012Champs
05-27-2014, 10:34 PM
Pick 6 strikes again


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/05/27/matt-schaub-throws-pick-6-in-first-practice/

Norg
05-28-2014, 12:22 AM
Pick 6 strikes again


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/05/27/matt-schaub-throws-pick-6-in-first-practice/



I was just about to say this LOL

BullNation4Life
05-29-2014, 09:24 AM
told ya'll even in Silver and Black, Matt Schaub still sucks....

michaelm
05-29-2014, 10:28 AM
told ya'll even in Silver and Black, Matt Schaub still sucks....

Yeah, because a pick six in OTAs equals doom.

False Start
05-29-2014, 10:44 AM
He was just trying to get the pick 6's out of his system before the regular season starts....yeah that's it. :littlelol:

BullNation4Life
05-29-2014, 10:45 AM
Yeah, because a pick six in OTAs equals doom.

yeah keep telling yourself that....

BullNation4Life
05-29-2014, 10:46 AM
He was just trying to get the pick 6's out of his system before the regular season starts....yeah that's it. :littlelol:

kinda like a golfer trying to get rid of the shanks or the yips before a major...

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 11:09 AM
I'd love to see Matt turn that awful franchise around before handing it off to Carr. Best of luck to him -- except on 9/14.

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2014, 07:11 PM
Marc Sessler @MarcSesslerNFL · 1h

Khalil Mack also drinking the Schaub Kool-Aid, tells @NFL_ATL: "He's poised. You can tell a great QB when you see one. He's the real deal."

I wish Schaub nothing but the best...........but I think Mack's been drinking more than just Kool-Aid.

drs23
05-30-2014, 07:36 PM
I wish Schaub nothing but the best...........but I think Mack's been drinking more than just Kool-Aid.

Yeah, maybe so. I still wish he'd be drinking in Houston. Cat's gonna be a stud.

Hide-N-Watch.

thunderkyss
05-30-2014, 08:51 PM
I wish Schaub nothing but the best...........but I think Mack's been drinking more than just Kool-Aid.

I'm sure he still looks like the real deal in shorts.

thunderkyss
06-08-2014, 05:27 AM
Raiders like what Matt Schaub offers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11033725/oakland-raiders-encouraged-quarterback-matt-schaub)

Oakland plans to rely heavily on running backs Darren McFadden and Maurice Jones-Drew, whom the Raiders signed in free agency. While they don't have a proven tight end or a true No. 1 wideout, they have a slew of young receivers and added Green Bay's James Jones in free agency. The Raiders also upgraded their offensive line and believe that a potent running game will let Schaub do what he does best: utilize play-action.

Even so, Olson said he is cognizant of the need for Schaub to regain his confidence. That means making sure Schaub is comfortable with the Raiders' scheme and what they are asking him to do.

"When you see a fall that occurred like that last year, I'm not naïve enough to believe just by switching teams he's going to go back to that 90-plus quarterback rating," Olson said. "But I do believe he's got the skills, and he still has some shelf life left. If we didn't believe that way, we wouldn't have [acquired] him.

"Now, it's just a matter of surrounding him with the right players and the right system, and we think we're doing that. We think he'll flourish."

As for Schaub's confidence, Olson said: "If he is fragile at this point, he certainly hasn't shown it to me or anyone else in the building or the rest of his teammates."

Lucky
06-08-2014, 09:23 AM
I wish Schaub nothing but the best...........but I think Mack's been drinking more than just Kool-Aid.
And Mack knows a great QB when he sees one, seeing that he's never played a NFL game and spent his college career in the MAC.

I'm not making fun of Mack. Just the reporter who quoted him.

Playoffs
06-08-2014, 09:59 AM
Carr could leapfrog Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/07/carr-could-leapfrog-schaub/)
“There is now an internal belief he’ll be pushed by rookie Derek Carr, who has displayed the talent and intelligence early on to shed his red shirt and play right away,” Breer said.

Nitrofish
06-08-2014, 11:44 AM
Carr could leapfrog Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/07/carr-could-leapfrog-schaub/)

Talk about a slow news day. Anyone who is talking about a rookie supplanting a vet during OTA's in shorts, and no pass rush is really grasping for a story. Does Breer really know "“There is now an internal belief he’ll be pushed by rookie Derek Carr, who has displayed the talent and intelligence early on to shed his red shirt and play right away,”? Give me a break.

Of course Carr will push Schaub, the Raiders did not draft him to be a perennial bench warmer. But to go from that to leap frogging Schaub because of OTA's is beyond nonsense. Now if their is something to talk about it will happen in camp, or pre season, not OTA's.

xtruroyaltyx
06-09-2014, 10:33 AM
Talk about a slow news day. Anyone who is talking about a rookie supplanting a vet during OTA's in shorts, and no pass rush is really grasping for a story. Does Breer really know "“There is now an internal belief he’ll be pushed by rookie Derek Carr, who has displayed the talent and intelligence early on to shed his red shirt and play right away,”? Give me a break.

Of course Carr will push Schaub, the Raiders did not draft him to be a perennial bench warmer. But to go from that to leap frogging Schaub because of OTA's is beyond nonsense. Now if their is something to talk about it will happen in camp, or pre season, not OTA's.

Judging QB's isn't like judging OL vs. DL where there is a huge difference between pads on and pads off.

Whether it's OTA's or training camp, the QB's aren't getting hit.

Now...I'm not saying there is no adjustment at all...Because there is. Working with a full team against a full defense...Having guys being pushed around all around you...Receivers timing being different because DB's/LB's are being physical with them....

There's an adjustment.

But...not as big of an adjustment as there is for other positions.

The Raiders staff can see how they throw the ball...How Carr is picking up the calls..leading the huddle...making reads...ect....

And No the Raiders didn't draft Carr to be a career back up, but the implication is that Schaub was thought to be the clear starter this season and Carr would sit and learn. But the writer is saying...not so fast....Carr could actually take the job sooner than later.

Carr doesn't have to even be clearly better than Schaub right now. If it's even close, Carr could get the start due to having higher upside/bring more play making to the table if things break down.

Schaub has experience in his favor...Which counts for a lot. But Carr has pretty much everything else in his favor. In a league where you are seeing young QB's playing right away with more frequency, I think the writer is correct in the Carr has a good chance of beating out Schaub who really isn't as good as he used to be.

Double Barrel
06-09-2014, 10:45 AM
Carr could leapfrog Schaub (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/07/carr-could-leapfrog-schaub/)

It's a bit ironic. Schaub replaced David Carr in Houston, and Carr's little bro' will eventually replace Schaub in Oakland.

It will be very interesting to watch the Raiders this year to see if their gamble with aging vets pays off. Sometimes the chemistry works out and enough of them stay healthy to produce a decent season. But, so much at play that it could be a slow motion train wreck.

thunderkyss
06-09-2014, 11:25 AM
Carr doesn't have to even be clearly better than Schaub right now. If it's even close, Carr could get the start due to having higher upside/bring more play making to the table if things break down.


I doubt it. If the Raiders are looking towards the future, maybe. But if they're believing what they're saying, that Schaub was brought in to bring stability, leadership, & a high level of play from the position... Carr doesn't have a chance until Schaub proves he can't provide those things.

xtruroyaltyx
06-09-2014, 11:41 AM
I doubt it. If the Raiders are looking towards the future, maybe. But if they're believing what they're saying, that Schaub was brought in to bring stability, leadership, & a high level of play from the position... Carr doesn't have a chance until Schaub proves he can't provide those things.

Could not disagree more.

If Carr looks like he's even close to Schaub, good chance he will start...IMO

Carr has a reasonable expectation to not only get better in the long term, but also over the course of the season itself...Whereas Schaub MIGHT be declining. At best, a reasonable expectation is that he's not getting appreciably better.


Trying to win now and also looking toward the future don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Playoffs
06-09-2014, 11:52 AM
...But the writer is saying...not so fast....Carr could actually take the job sooner than later.

Carr doesn't have to even be clearly better than Schaub right now. If it's even close, Carr could get the start due to having higher upside/bring more play making to the table if things break down.

Writer, in my opinion at this point is buying a team storyline.

Word out of Raidercamp is Carr is still struggling taking snaps under center.

infantrycak
06-09-2014, 11:56 AM
Could not disagree more.

If Carr looks like he's even close to Schaub, good chance he will start...IMO

Carr has a reasonable expectation to not only get better in the long term, but also over the course of the season itself...Whereas Schaub MIGHT be declining. At best, a reasonable expectation is that he's not getting appreciably better.


Trying to win now and also looking toward the future don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Appreciably better than what?

Close to what?

Sounds to me like you are acting as if 2013 Schaub was his norm and ceiling. If he starts playing close to his rest of time in Houston that's a huge step better and a standard a rookie is going to have a very hard time getting close to. That's what Oakland is expecting - they even referenced his non-2013 QB ratings. Very few rookies post 90+ QB ratings.

xtruroyaltyx
06-09-2014, 12:05 PM
Word out of Raidercamp is Carr is still struggling taking snaps under center.



Now after two weeks of OTA’s where Carr has impressed in workouts with his athleticism and strong arm that brought him to the Raiders as their second pick in the first place the rumblings that Schaub had the starting job in the bag have been replaced with reports that there is a chance that Raiders staff has been impressed with their rookie and that stance has already softened.

NFL Network’s Albert Breer reported on NFL Total Access during his “Offseason Notebook” segment that the Raiders have been impressed with Carr’s “talent and intelligence” early on and that there is an internal belief that Carr will push Schaub for the starting job over the course of the Raiders 2014 training camp.

http://justblogbaby.com/2014/06/08/derek-carr-push-matt-schaub-starting-job-reports-albert-breer/


It's all opinions at this point. But I think that this even being mentioned means that it is a possibility.

I didn't say that I agreed or disagreed with the writer.

What I basically said was that if Carr is close to Schaub throughout the entire process, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he gets the start.

xtruroyaltyx
06-09-2014, 12:08 PM
Sounds to me like you are acting as if 2013 Schaub was his norm and ceiling.


That's the story you created in your mind when you read what I wrote. Understandable, but wrong.

I didn't say anything about what level of play Schaub would be at in order for Carr to be close to him.

It's completely possible Schaub of 2013 is who he is now. Also possible he performs better than that.

Either way, IF Carr is close to Schaub, you would think Carr still has room to grow wheras Schaub isn't going to get appreciably better...Whatever level we are talking about.

I am talking in a general sense. Whatever level of play schaub is at this year...good, bad, ok, poor...Most people, I don't think, are going to say well...Ok...There's a good chance this 33 year old QB is going to get much better than that.

If Carr is nipping at his heels, I think there's a better chance he will grow from there.

thunderkyss
06-09-2014, 06:04 PM
Could not disagree more.

If Carr looks like he's even close to Schaub, good chance he will start...IMO

Carr has a reasonable expectation to not only get better in the long term, but also over the course of the season itself...Whereas Schaub MIGHT be declining. At best, a reasonable expectation is that he's not getting appreciably better.


Trying to win now and also looking toward the future don't have to be mutually exclusive.

We're talking about a bunch of guys in shorts with "nothing" to play for. Unless Schaub totally falls apart in practice, there's no way Carr can compete with his experience & history.

We're not talking about Matt Flynn here.

Unless we see Schaub buckle under pressure in a preseason game, Carr has no shot of starting over Schaub, it's his job to lose.

You're talking about long term... the best thing for the Raiders, long term, is to get that team ready for Carr & Carr ready for that team. He may be able to handle the pressure of a real NFL game, but you won't know until you know.

If Schaub holds up his end of the deal, the most I can see from Carr is getting a few snaps at the end of a half, or the end of the game if the game is out of hand one way or the other.

The NFL is about winning games. If a coach wants to keep his job, it doesn't matter what he has in the pipeline if he isn't winning games.

thunderkyss
06-09-2014, 06:08 PM
I am talking in a general sense. Whatever level of play schaub is at this year...good, bad, ok, poor...Most people, I don't think, are going to say well...Ok...There's a good chance this 33 year old QB is going to get much better than that.

If Carr is nipping at his heels, I think there's a better chance he will grow from there.

If they've got "good Schaub" they're giving the other 53 men on that roster an opportunity to be on a winning team for the first time in forever. If Carr is playing anywhere near as well as "good Schaub" he wouldn't have been drafted in the top 5.

I know you didn't say, but the only way Carr can be "nipping at his heels" is if they've got "bad Schaub" in that case, yeah I can see them going with Carr.

CloakNNNdagger
06-20-2014, 04:34 PM
Dennis Allen says Schaub has been “outstanding”
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2014, 3:49 PM EDT


Hold the phone on the chatter that rookie Derek Carr may quickly supplant starter Matt Schaub in Oakland.

On Wednesday, coach Dennis Allen praised Schaub for his efforts during the offseason program.

“I think he’s been outstanding,” Allen said, via Scott Bair of CSNBayArea.com. “That’s what you’re looking for in a veteran quarterback. I don’t think we’ve seen the best of what we’re going to see out of Matt Schaub.”

The Texans saw the best — and the worst — out of Schaub. And they decided to move on to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

On one hand, the Raiders need to justify their $8 million guaranteed investment in Schaub, especially after their $6.5 million guaranteed investment in Matt Flynn went kaflooey last year. On the other hand, they need to win. Carr, a second-round pick last month, may give them the better chance to do that over the long haul.

Truly outstanding or not, look for Schaub to get the first crack at turning the team around. If he fails, look for Carr to get a chance to salvage the season and/or provide hope for the immediate future.

Even if that’s not enough to provide employment for Allen and others come 2015.

I'm not sure that I found one positive comment following this piece.

But found this one that reflected the Raiders' MO.:

Dennis Allen said the same thing about Pryor then it was Flynn last year to sell tickets that nobody wants .

At least until they hire a real GM and fire McKenzie and his
trainwreck of busts in the drafts and offseason signings.

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 04:41 PM
Schaub far from Top 10 QB, per Insiders
(http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/4906/schaub-far-from-top-10-qb-per-insiders)

July, 3, 2014
Jul 3 8:00 AM ET

By Paul Gutierrez | ESPN.com

All offseason long Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen has contended that new acquisition Matt Schaub, coming off a career-worst season with the Houston Texans, is a top 10 quarterback in the NFL.

The rest of the league, however, apparently does not appear to share Allen’s enthusiasm.

According to an ESPN Insider story by Mike Sando, Insider Schaub ranks as the NFL’s 25th best starting quarterback, 15 spots out of the top 10. To be fair, Allen probably does not care what anyone outside of the walls at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway think. Nor should he.

But the formula for Sando’s story went like this: He had 26 league insiders -- eight general managers, two former GMs, four pro personnel evaluators, seven coordinators, two head coaches, two position coaches and a top executive -- grade every projected starting quarterback on a scale of 1 through 5, with 1 being the best and 5 the worst.

Sando then added up all the scores, compiled an average rating for each quarterback and ranked them from 1-32, dividing the QBs into four tiers. At No. 25, with an average rating of 3.58, Schaub was at the head of Tier 4.

Wrote Sando: “Questions persist about whether Schaub can right his career after a brutal 2013 season,” Sando wrote. “He is seen as a system QB. Ten of the voters put him in the third tier, but 15 had him lower than that.”

A defensive coordinator intimated to Sando that many will be in a wait-and-see mode with Schaub, a two-time Pro Bowler.

“That will be interesting confidence-wise coming off last year,” said the defensive coordinator. “[Schaub] is accurate, but I put him in that three category because the passes were underneath, boot type and then, here and there, they took shots.”

I don't have an ESPN INSIDER subscription. But what could be more concerning for Texans fans is a is a commentary re. ranking of Fitzpatrick (http://www.bucsnation.com/2014/7/3/5867981/josh-mccown-seen-as-a-below-average-quarterback).:

Still, there are rankings, and they say some kind of interesting things about Josh McCown. So there's that. ESPN's Mike Sando polled 26 "league insiders" to get their views on quarterbacks, and the result was not entirely surprising for Bucs fans: McCown was ranked as the 24th-best player in that list, soundly in tier three of four groups.

"We got ready for him last year and boy, did he have a good season," a defensive coordinator said. "I would have to put him in the three group because you have to factor age in there and it might have just been that perfect storm, but he played well last year. It could have been the system. Maybe it was right with the reads and what they did. Good for him."

That's an interesting ranking because it places him well ahead of other veterans who signed with new teams the past years in Brian Hoyer, Chad Henne, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Schaub. It's a reminder that Josh McCown was very, very good last year but to expect that to continue is probably not realistic.http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/nervous/afraid.gif

Playoffs
07-05-2014, 05:31 PM
Tier 1 (5)

T-1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots (1.04 average rating)
...
"Brady might be the best because he does it with the least every year, just about," this offensive assistant said. "To me, there is no falloff with that guy. If he played with what Rodgers and Peyton and Brees have played with, it would not even be close. He has not had an outside guy since Randy Moss. These other guys have outside guys coming out of their ears, especially Peyton and Rodgers. It is such a difference when you have outside guys that can stretch, like Manning had in Indy. Then he'd kill you with the inside guys. Brady doesn't have half the skill players that Manning has. The thing that is scary is that sneakily, the Patriots were pretty good last year anyway."

From 2006 through 2012, Brady trailed only Manning in Total QBR at 74.8. That figure fell off to 48.6 through eight games last season as the Patriots lost nearly all their top weapons, but it was back to 73.1 over the final eight games, fourth-best in the league over that span.

T-1. Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos (1.04 average rating)

One of the evaluators with a background in pro personnel nearly gave Manning a Tier 2 grade on our first run through the ballot. Then, he started laughing.

"As soon as I said two, I was like, 'Really?' " the evaluator said. "Arm strength is such an issue at this point and the smart teams are going to neutralize him easier than others, but he is a one..."

T-1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers (1.04 average rating)

If Rodgers gives up anything to Brady and Manning before the snap -- which is debatable -- his athletic ability seems to make up for it...

T-1. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints (1.04 average rating)

5. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts (1.50 average rating)

Luck doesn't have the track record of the other Tier 1 QBs, and there was a clear gap in the voting between him and the top four. But people in the league love him almost unconditionally, and 14 of the 26 voters insisted upon putting him in the top tier (each of the top four received 25 of 26 Tier 1 votes).

The evaluators think Luck has carried a subpar roster to a 22-10 record without much help. They see no limitations. They have zero doubt about his long-term stardom and felt strongly enough to give him 14 first-tier votes even while acknowledging he's below the Big Four at this early stage. Every other QB fell into the tier in which he received the most votes, and So shall Luck, even if his Tier 1 designation feels a bit premature.

"I'm not going to downgrade him because it's only his second year," a defensive coordinator said after placing Luck in the first tier. "He can put it on his back as a younger player, where some of these other guys had good help running the ball like Ben (Roethlisberger) or Matt (Ryan) or Russell (Wilson) or Joe (Flacco). They have had people you could hand it to. They say you can win with a young QB when you have a top-10 defense and a top-10 running game. Luck hasn't had either."

The Colts have gone 22-10 with Luck, while ranking 28th in defensive EPA and 24th in both rushing yards and rushing attempts by running backs. Luck ranks fourth in drop-backs over that span, trailing only Matthew Stafford, Brees and Ryan.

Still, there isn't much of an individual statistical argument for Luck's inclusion in Tier 1. His completion percentage (57.0) and passer rating (81.5) lag. His QBR score (63.8) ranks eighth and reflects significant value added through rushing. "Luck turns the ball over too much," one GM said in explaining why he left Luck in the second tier for now. A head coach called Luck "a two becoming a one" -- a comment consistent with the thinking of everyone who placed Luck in the second tier.

Tier 2 (10)

6. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers (1.77 average rating)

7. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers (1.85 average rating)

Said one GM: "Ben plays big-boy football -- and regardless of what you think, he knows how to win the game."

T-8. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons (2.23 average rating)

I was surprised to see Ryan command zero Tier 1 votes and six Tier 3 votes. Nearly everyone said Ryan needed to prove himself in the playoffs. There was a feeling Ryan would never be able to carry his team the way the very best QBs have...

T-8. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys (2.23 average rating)

T-8. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks (2.23 average rating)

Everyone likes Wilson. But not everyone loves him, especially when it comes to projecting how a 5-foot-10 QB would fare without a dominant defense and running game on his side. Still, Wilson came in ahead of Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III, three other young, mobile QBs.

"I love Russell Wilson," one GM said. "I like him for the intangibles, which Kaepernick has not displayed. I have Wilson as a three and think he might ascend to a two. I don't think he will ever be a one. Kaepernick has a chance to be a one, but he also has a chance to be a three or a four."

Evaluators across the board lauded Wilson for his decision-making, both with the football and in avoiding big hits when scrambling.

Still, some said they wanted to see more from Wilson in terms of decision-making and downfield accuracy from within the pocket. "He has a curl-flat wide open and cannot see it, so he spins out and rips it 40 yards downfield to make an amazing big play," one evaluator said.

A head coach said he'd rather have Sam Bradford than Wilson purely from a talent standpoint.

As noted previously, the numbers from Wilson and Kaepernick from within the pocket are solid, but that doesn't mean people in the league perceive them as effective pocket passers. One head coach said teams with good game plans have taken away escape routes and made Wilson struggle. Injuries at receiver and along the offensive line have not helped. "I want them to win games from the pocket at some point," one GM said of shorter QBs. "That is what will separate Russell Wilson -- besides a great 'D' -- from the Doug Fluties of the world. Eventually, you made them beat you from the pocket and they could not do it. Maybe he ascends to the bottom of that one tier, but I see him probably more top of the second."

T-8. Eli Manning, New York Giants (2.23 average rating)

12. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens (2.31 average rating)

"Flacco would be a guy that you probably either love him or hate him because he's a big guy, probably not the most mobile guy, and he's kind of got the droopy face, kind of like the Jay Cutler face, where it always looks like things are bad," an offensive coordinator said.

13. Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions (2.38 average rating)

14. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers (2.50 average rating)

Evaluators want to see more from Kaepernick as a reader of defenses, playing within the pocket...

15. Nick Foles, Philadelphia Eagles (2.56 average rating)

Foles just made the bottom of the second tier, even though three evaluators put him in the fourth tier, including one GM who called him "a four who played like a two" last season...

Tier 3 (9)

16. Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers (2.58 average rating)

17. Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears (2.62 average rating)

18. Alex Smith, Kansas City Chiefs (2.96 average rating)

T-19. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati Bengals (3.00 average rating)

T-19. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins (3.00 average rating)

Only five of the evaluators who cast ballots for Griffin placed him in the second tier. Fifteen placed him in the third tier. Five put him in the fourth. And when I spoke with a mix of players -- four defensive backs, two linebackers and two QBs -- they gave him a 4.1 grade on average...

T-21. Carson Palmer, Arizona Cardinals (3.12 average rating)

T-21. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams (3.12 average rating)

23. Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins (3.32 average rating)

24. Josh McCown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (3.52 average rating)

Tier 4 (8)

25. Matt Schaub, Oakland Raiders (3.58 average rating)

Questions persist about whether Schaub can right his career after a brutal 2013 season. He is seen as a system QB. Ten of the voters put him in the third tier, but 15 had him lower than that.

"That will be interesting confidencewise coming off last year," a defensive coordinator said. "He is accurate, but I put him in that three category because the passes were underneath, boot type and then, here and there, they took shots."

26. Chad Henne, Jacksonville Jaguars (4.15 average rating)

27. EJ Manuel, Buffalo Bills (4.24 average rating)

28. Matt Cassel, Minnesota Vikings (4.27 average rating)

29. Brian Hoyer, Cleveland Browns (4.28 average rating)

Hoyer and Henne drew positive reviews as backups, but not as starters. "Hoyer is a great backup," one defensive coordinator said. "He can win some games for you, but if he had to start all 16, that's going to be tough."

A head coach put it this way: "He is a four leaning toward a three, but he is a four. He is OK. He is smart. He gets the ball out quick. He knows what he's doing in the New England system. He was playing pretty well for the Browns last year before he got hurt."

30. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Houston Texans (4.35 average rating)

Fitzpatrick ranked a respectable 16th in Total QBR last season (55.4). That was better than the figures for Roethlisberger (54.3) or Stafford (52.5), but the reviews from evaluators were almost universally negative -- overly so, in my opinion.

"The one thing he gives you is, he is not a statue in the pocket," a former head coach said. "At least he can move around a little bit. He would rather play empty-set football. It's kind of how he made his money in Buffalo. I don't know that Bill O'Brien is going to do that with him in Houston."

31. Jake Locker, Tennessee Titans (4.42 average rating)

32. Geno Smith, New York Jets (4.48 average rating)

...

drs23
07-05-2014, 05:59 PM
...[quote]30. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Houston Texans (4.35 average rating)

Fitzpatrick ranked a respectable 16th in Total QBR last season (55.4). That was better than the figures for Roethlisberger (54.3) or Stafford (52.5), but the reviews from evaluators were almost universally negative -- overly so, in my opinion.

"The one thing he gives you is, he is not a statue in the pocket," a former head coach said. "At least he can move around a little bit. He would rather play empty-set football. It's kind of how he made his money in Buffalo. I don't know that Bill O'Brien is going to do that with him in Houston."

:texflag:??

CloakNNNdagger
07-05-2014, 06:03 PM
...

Thanks for posting the entire list (see you've also started using "...":)

ObsiWan
07-05-2014, 08:10 PM
...A head coach said he'd rather have Sam Bradford than Wilson purely from a talent standpoint.

seriously....
http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/thinking-smileys/think_smiley_07.gif

Playoffs
07-06-2014, 01:18 PM
seriously....


Click on the "spoiler" buttons to see it all:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-coli-needs-that-nfl-insider-article-on-qbs-brehs.228115/

kiwitexansfan
07-06-2014, 09:30 PM
Everytime I see this I want to post this:

....so he can have more choice about where he throws his pick sixes.

There. It's done. I don't need to fight the urge every time I see the thread.

ObsiWan
07-07-2014, 12:08 AM
Click on the "spoiler" buttons to see it all:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-coli-needs-that-nfl-insider-article-on-qbs-brehs.228115/
I've seen the entire article; I have ESPN Insider.
I just cannot believe any NFL head coach would take Bradford over Wilson.
I'm not saying that Bradford sucks. I just prefer Wilson.

The Pencil Neck
07-07-2014, 03:11 PM
I've seen the entire article; I have ESPN Insider.
I just cannot believe any NFL head coach would take Bradford over Wilson.
I'm not saying that Bradford sucks. I just prefer Wilson.

That one NFL Head Coach happens to be Jeff Fisher.

:cow:

Playoffs
07-07-2014, 04:13 PM
I've seen the entire article; I have ESPN Insider.
I just cannot believe any NFL head coach would take Bradford over Wilson...

Could be Wilson wouldn't want to play for said head coach. :kitten:

ObsiWan
07-07-2014, 11:41 PM
That one NFL Head Coach happens to be Jeff Fisher.

:cow:

Oh well... if my team had a $78 mil investment in a QB, I'd say I "preferred" him too...
http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/aim-smileys/aim_smiley_053.gif

pappy
07-12-2014, 12:07 AM
That one NFL Head Coach happens to be Jeff Fisher.

:cow:

Said coach has experience with Wilson type QB's and knows the down sides .:cutthroat:

djohn2oo8
08-01-2014, 10:58 AM
Vic Tafur ✔ @VicTafur
Follow
Woodson picks off Schaub and runs into crowd to hi-five fans; then he picks off Schaub again on next play

xtruroyaltyx
08-01-2014, 11:05 AM
lolwut

Double Barrel
08-01-2014, 11:21 AM
uhhhhh, can I change my vote about rookie QBs to Derek Carr? :thinking:

Hookem Horns
08-01-2014, 11:27 AM
If the Raiders move to San Antonio Schaub comes back to Texas!

b0ng
08-01-2014, 12:14 PM
http://i.imgur.com/6gtvIlv.gif

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2014, 07:08 AM
http://i.imgur.com/6gtvIlv.gif


Thanks for the laugh and link.

http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013-10-17-SchaubPick6.png

b0ng
08-04-2014, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the laugh and link.

I love the draw play. I also like this comic for football but it's much less artistic:

http://static.squarespace.com/static/5069d74fe4b0d20117d0148c/t/51c1ff31e4b032aad7034142/1371668275219/38.jpg?format=300w (http://toomuchmustard.com)

CloakNNNdagger
08-13-2014, 03:38 PM
Retweeted by Jayson Braddock
Vic Tafur @VicTafur · 16m

One more before I hit road: Crowd gave Matt Schaub loud cheers before & after trip to Porta Potty. Matt McGloin remarked, "Best piss ever."

:lol:

CloakNNNdagger
08-17-2014, 06:13 PM
Schaub had a 50 QB rating last week.......and this week, he will have been lucky to have earned that high of a Q rating.

After a horrendous 2013 performance with the Houston Texans, his offseason trade to the Raiders and the full-throated support of Allen, Schaub still looks like a shaky quarterback searching for rhythm.

The Raiders' reconfigured offensive line hasn't helped him at all, but Schaub so far looks like a very limited quarterback.

If anything, rookie Derek Carr seems to already be the more dynamic quarterback ...

But Carr was knocked out of Friday night's game against Detroit with what Allen said was a concussion.

This is clearly Schaub's starting job to lose. But it might not be pretty to watch him do exactly that over the first few weeks or months of the season.link (http://www.mercurynews.com/tim-kawakami/ci_26350313/kawakami-oakland-raiders-not-getting-lift-from-matt)

Nitrofish
08-17-2014, 07:54 PM
Schaub had a 50 QB rating last week.......and this week, he will have been lucky to have earned that high of a Q rating.

link (http://www.mercurynews.com/tim-kawakami/ci_26350313/kawakami-oakland-raiders-not-getting-lift-from-matt)

That article is a bunch of nonsense. Schaub has looked fine in both games and had some drops that were easy catches that had they been caught would have raised his rating considerably. I watched both games and I thought Carr looked like a rookie and was making some horrible decisions. He is not challenging Schaub for the job any time soon. Carr also left the game with a concussion.

klockWork
08-17-2014, 08:24 PM
I thought Schaub looked good in the first game. The second, he panic quite often in the pocket even before the pressure actually got there. The Raiders oline looks worst than any line Schaub had to played with.

Any QB with mobility issue will struggle severely due to the integrity of the Raiders pass protection.

Lucky
08-17-2014, 08:31 PM
That article is a bunch of nonsense. Schaub has looked fine in both games and had some drops that were easy catches that had they been caught would have raised his rating considerably. I watched both games and I thought Carr looked like a rookie and was making some horrible decisions. He is not challenging Schaub for the job any time soon. Carr also left the game with a concussion.
Too bad his INT wasn't dropped, huh? The Raider offense looked much better under Carr and McGloin. I would put the over/under line on when Schaub is benched at week 9. I just hope he's under center when the Texans go to Oakland week 2.

BullNation4Life
08-17-2014, 09:56 PM
Too bad his INT wasn't dropped, huh? The Raider offense looked much better under Carr and McGloin. I would put the over/under line on when Schaub is benched at week 9. I just hope he's under center when the Texans go to Oakland week 2.

week 9? feeling generous? 3 INTs in the first 4 games, Carr replaces him

Nitrofish
08-18-2014, 08:25 AM
Too bad his INT wasn't dropped, huh? The Raider offense looked much better under Carr and McGloin. I would put the over/under line on when Schaub is benched at week 9. I just hope he's under center when the Texans go to Oakland week 2.

Yea must be hard to complete passes against future car salesmen and pizza delivery guys. You well know that INT was not his fault and should have been caught. It was a bullet and right on the money. Good to see your hatred of Schaub still burns bright.

With the way that O Line looks, and the way Clowney is flashing, I do not envy Schaub coming to NRG in week 2. Having said that I think he will play fine, and may be replaced due to injury at some point if they don't shore up the O Line play.

Speedy
08-18-2014, 09:34 AM
I do not envy Schaub coming to NRG in week 2.

If Schaub is at NRG in week 2, it means Carr or McGloin is the starter, because NRG is a bad place for Schaub to be with his team playing the Texans at the O.Co.

xtruroyaltyx
08-18-2014, 09:44 AM
Schaub has looked terrible to me. Like a fish out of water.


I think the Raiders offense is going to look really bad this year with Schaub at QB. Their Oline was giving up some pressure, and Schaub can't deal with that at all.

I've seen people say the smart football decision was to keep Schaub another year. I don't agree with that. He looks bad. Fitzpatrick has more juice to his game than Schaub does at this point in time.

Vinny
08-18-2014, 11:03 AM
I thought Schaub looked good in the first game. The second, he panic quite often in the pocket even before the pressure actually got there. The Raiders oline looks worst than any line Schaub had to played with.

Any QB with mobility issue will struggle severely due to the integrity of the Raiders pass protection.Schaub looks good at times, but he pushes the ball more now and makes too many team killer mistakes. Dude looks like a good back up though. He should be able to milk that kinda gig for years. He's the new past his prime Neil O'Donnell.

Nitrofish
08-18-2014, 12:20 PM
If Schaub is at NRG in week 2, it means Carr or McGloin is the starter, because NRG is a bad place for Schaub to be with his team playing the Texans at the O.Co.

Yes my mistake. Texans in the Black Hole in week 2, not NRG.

thunderkyss
08-19-2014, 07:47 AM
Opinions from the outside (http://media.957thegame.com/a/95706688/haberman-and-middlekauff-8-18-14-hour-2.htm)

HouTx11
08-22-2014, 09:12 PM
Well, he did have a fumble tonight against the Packers, but he's also had a lot of dropped passes that would've been TDs.

Lucky
08-22-2014, 09:49 PM
Well, he did have a fumble tonight against the Packers, but he's also had a lot of dropped passes that would've been TDs.
He plays for the Raiders, so there will be a lot of built-in excuses. As long as Manziel continues to sabotage his career, I might make Derek Carr the favorite as the first rookie QB to get a start.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2014, 09:51 PM
Well, he did have a fumble tonight against the Packers, but he's also had a lot of dropped passes that would've been TDs.

And at least 4 near INTs.

xtruroyaltyx
08-22-2014, 10:01 PM
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure. I hope he's starting when we play them like lucky said. Raiders are going to be bad with him at qb though so he might not make it. And they don't have any nonsensical loyalty to him so....

Shezza
08-23-2014, 05:41 AM
Didn't see the game but read five three and outs in a row? That's dreadful

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2014, 07:29 AM
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure. I hope he's starting when we play them like lucky said. Raiders are going to be bad with him at qb though so he might not make it. And they don't have any nonsensical loyalty to him so....

Schaub WILL be there for us.......the Raiders' HC shows the same unbending blind faith we saw on our side of the fence last year.

From the Mercury News:

Oakland's offense misfired for most of the night with the starters on the field. The Raiders netted 60 yards on their first five drives. Running back Maurice Jones-Drew accounted for 40 of those on his touchdown run in the first quarter.

Schaub completed his first three passes. He spent the rest of the first half trying to find a rhythm that never arrived.

Schaub completed 5 of 11 passes for 17 yards on his first six drives. It wasn't until the Packers starters exited that Schaub moved the ball with much consistency.

"We've got to improve ourselves in the passing game," Allen said. "That's a full-time team effort. That's not about one individual."

thunderkyss
08-23-2014, 07:51 AM
He looked bad tonight. Should have had a TD though.

But he still cannot deal with even mild pressure.

Right... still cannot, as in, "Never could"

The Raiders know that & they've got to be planning around that. Schaub compensates for a poor offensive line by getting into a rhythm. Three step, five step drops, ball comes out. The Oakland receivers didn't look bad really... other than they can't catch, but they all looked to be able to get off the line & into their routes quickly. He had plenty of people to throw the ball. (actually, now that I think about it, it wasn't until GB put their second team in that the receivers were getting open).

He's never going to be Collin Kaepernick.


But it does look like he's pushing the ball more.

ObsiWan
08-23-2014, 07:53 AM
Right... still cannot, as in, "Never could"

The Raiders know that & they've got to be planning around that. Schaub compensates for a poor offensive line by getting into a rhythm. Three step, five step drops, ball comes out. The Oakland receivers didn't look bad really... other than they can't catch, but they all looked to be able to get off the line & into their routes quickly. He had plenty of people to throw the ball.

He's never going to be Collin Kaepernick.


But it does look like he's pushing the ball more.

ummm... isn't that rather important for a receiver??
:thinking:

thunderkyss
08-23-2014, 08:08 AM
Did they change the rule for a completion?

11:30 into the Raiders game, James Jones high-points a ball, gets both feet down, but as he goes to the ground, the ball gets knocked loose a little, it never really leave his possession, he just bobbles it a little. He regains clear control of the ball, so as he's laying on his back, he's able to hold the ball up with both hands.

But the referee overturns what was previously ruled a TD saying the receiver did not maintain complete control.

Now, I always thought "complete control" was only applied when the ball makes contact with the ground, it never did in this case.

kingtexan
08-23-2014, 08:12 AM
This just in, Matt still sucks ..

ObsiWan
08-23-2014, 08:33 AM
Did they change the rule for a completion?

11:30 into the Raiders game, James Jones high-points a ball, gets both feet down, but as he goes to the ground, the ball gets knocked loose a little, it never really leave his possession, he just bobbles it a little. He regains clear control of the ball, so as he's laying on his back, he's able to hold the ball up with both hands.

But the referee overturns what was previously ruled a TD saying the receiver did not maintain complete control.

Now, I always thought "complete control" was only applied when the ball makes contact with the ground, it never did in this case.
The ball moved as he was rolling on the ground - out of bounds I might add. To me, the play was over when he secured the ball with both hands and firmly planted two feet in bounds. That "maintain control all the way through the process" is adding bureaucratic B/S to a simple act of catching the ball.
That was an Effin' catch and TD.

Nitrofish
08-23-2014, 10:01 AM
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful

xtruroyaltyx
08-23-2014, 10:52 AM
People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful

I watched the raiders because they were on cbs. I don't think anyone is buying season pass to watch Schaub.

Also, just like other players we are calling it like we see it. Hes played bad.

Lastly, wait till the regular season? No other plsywr is above criticism by throwing up poor ore season performances. Check the board. Check ither teams' boards.

Schaub didn't just start playing poorly this pre season. He had a regular season last year to show his stuff and he was awful.

This isn't personal towards Schaub. He's just not all that good a qb right now.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2014, 11:39 AM
From PFT.

Schaub threw for just 110 yards, completing 13 of 27 passes, and he acknowledged afterward that the Raiders’ offense still has work to do.

“We better be close to getting ready for the regular season, obviously,” Schaub said. “We got off to a good start, which is what we wanted to do — that was our plan. Then we sort of stubbed our toe.”

That “good start” Schaub references was a 40-yard touchdown run by Maurice Jones-Drew on Oakland’s first drive. That was a good play by Jones-Drew, and it was about the only good play the Raiders’ first-string offense made: Oakland went three-and-out on its next five drives, and Schaub lost a fumble on the drive after that.

Certainly not good after a Lisfranc.

BullNation4Life
08-24-2014, 02:19 PM
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful

no more desperate and pitiful than people defending a bad QB. His own HC said they need to get MUCH better in the passing game, while Schaub was in at QB. He still has happy feet and still has a noodle for an arm...

It's not a matter of if but when Carr replaces him as the starting QB. Schaub is a stop gap until Carr gets more familiar with the playbook and is ready to take over...

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2014, 09:53 PM
Schaub did not practice today, supposedly due to a sore elbow.

Marshall
08-24-2014, 09:59 PM
The ball moved as he was rolling on the ground - out of bounds I might add. To me, the play was over when he secured the ball with both hands and firmly planted two feet in bounds. That "maintain control all the way through the process" is adding bureaucratic B/S to a simple act of catching the ball.
That was an Effin' catch and TD.

Yes, they changed the rule a year or two ago. Now you must maintain possession all the way to the ground (and maybe a bit longer), even if you have already gone OB.

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2014, 10:05 PM
Interesting to point out for anyone still convinced that Schaub's arm strength has not been questionable.......he has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

infantrycak
08-24-2014, 10:46 PM
Interesting to point out for anyone still convinced that Schaub's arm strength has not been questionable.......he has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

And in his last appearance as a Texan he hacked one for an over throw incompletion 63 yards in the air. Not sure your stat proves anything. Sounds more like inaccuracy.

Playoffs
08-25-2014, 07:31 AM
Raiders' nightmare: Schaub '14 resembles Flynn '13
Vic Tafur (http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-nightmare-Schaub-14-resembles-Flynn-13-5709845.php)

Quarterback Matt Schaub missed practice Sunday afternoon with a sore elbow, almost a year to the day after struggling Matt Flynn bowed out with the same injury and lost his starting job.

Head coach Dennis Allen said Schaub, who has been ineffective in the first three preseason games, first told him about the soreness Saturday, and rookie Derek Carr worked with the first team Sunday.

"We'll see where (Schaub's) at tomorrow and kind of take that day by day," Allen said.

In a conference call Saturday afternoon, Allen was asked if he was concerned with what seems to be a lack of arm strength for Schaub.

"I haven't seen that," Allen said, "so I guess the answer to that question would be no."

In three preseason games, Schaub has completed 24 of 47 passes for 218 yards (4.6 yards per attempt) with an interception. For all the talk of Schaub's confidence being back after a dreadful season in Houston, the former Pro Bowler has completed just 2 of 13 passes of more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The Raiders have scored on only two of the 15 possessions that Schaub's been in for this preseason.

Oakland general manager Reggie McKenzie traded for Schaub this offseason, just as he did for Flynn last year. And whether it's coincidence or exit strategy, this is exactly what happened with Flynn last year.

He was ineffective and then had an elbow injury in Week 4 of preseason. Flynn missed the game against the Seahawks, and after a week of bluffs and feigned indecision, Terrelle Pryor was named the starter for the season opener.

Flynn actually had better numbers than Schaub does in the preseason. Despite looking like a deer in the headlights and being sacked seven times, Flynn was 19-of-27 for 180 yards (6.7 yards per attempt) for a touchdown with two interceptions.

Flynn would be cut Oct. 7, after one dismal start when Pryor was hurt against Washington. Pryor, by the way, was traded in the offseason and is back in town Thursday as a backup with the Seahawks.

Schaub was unavailable Sunday but is scheduled to talk to reporters after practice Monday...

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2014, 07:43 AM
...

Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 2m

I think it's worth noting that Matt Schaub was traded for Alfred Blue (6th rd pick). Looks to be great value as a 3 down back in Houston.

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2014, 07:46 AM
And in his last appearance as a Texan he hacked one for an over throw incompletion 63 yards in the air. Not sure your stat proves anything. Sounds more like inaccuracy.

Which also then begins to take us back to the foot and its effect on mechanics (which definitely affects accuracy and also affects consistency of arm strength). As the season proceeds, I expect to see the "wear-down" phenomenon to become more and more obvious.

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2014, 08:13 AM
From Rotoworld:

An arm injury doesn't explain Schaub's inability to move or make sound decisions, but could be telling in regards to his noticeable shortage of arm strength. Schaub has looked genuinely Matt Flynnian in preseason games. Perhaps the sore elbow will be the excuse Dennis Allen needs to put Schaub out of his misery. He's been outplayed by rookie Derek Carr throughout August. Aug 24 - 8:28 PM

Nitrofish
08-25-2014, 08:42 AM
no more desperate and pitiful than people defending a bad QB. His own HC said they need to get MUCH better in the passing game, while Schaub was in at QB. He still has happy feet and still has a noodle for an arm...

It's not a matter of if but when Carr replaces him as the starting QB. Schaub is a stop gap until Carr gets more familiar with the playbook and is ready to take over...

Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:

Nitrofish
08-25-2014, 08:49 AM
From Rotoworld: ...He's been outplayed by rookie Derek Carr throughout August.

I have watched each and every game and this is a complete lie. Carr has flashed a few times, but hardly outplayed anyone, let alone Matt Schaub. Matt McGloin has outplayed Carr at every turn. This is what they call reporting these days.

xtruroyaltyx
08-25-2014, 09:38 AM
Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer
Per @RapSheet, Raiders QB Matt Schaub is dealing with tendinitis. My understanding is staff feels Derek Carr is ready to start, if needed.

...

silvrhand
08-25-2014, 09:46 AM
Anyone else find it ironice that Schaub is being taken our for Carr :)

BullNation4Life
08-25-2014, 09:47 AM
Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:

I may not exactly know, but I have a pretty good idea what will become of Matt Schaub, because I pay attention to his decline. I pay attention to the fact for the last 3 years, he has been on a decline. I am truly sorry people are too blinded by their Shaubism that they cannot see that he is not a good QB, and that he was medicore through his career. I'm not pissed or miserable about anything, I am just stating facts and the fact is Matt Schaub, at this moment, is not a good QB...

The fact you can even say he has been the best QB in Texans franchise history with a straight face is remarkable. Compared to whom, David Carr? Schaub's first season he accomplished more than David Carr did, and Carr didn't even bother setting the bar, much less setting it very high. To say "Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come" is true statement, for now, it also reflects a very, very, very small sample size to make such a statement. Also to say he will be better for some time to come is kinda arrogant. So now we can predict the future?

Just like I cannot predict what Schaub's season will be like, although signs are already pointing to horrible, you cannot predict that Matt Schaub best this franchise will see for some time to come.

So Schaub being the best QB this franchise has seen isn't because of his accomplishments, it's simple lack of options. Give any QB 8 years in a system and they can put up the number Schaub did, maybe even in 4...


I cannot comment on Warren Moon getting run out of town, I wasn't a Oilers fan back in those days, so I could care less why he was here or not but if I did some research, I bet it was because of his decline. I don't remember him doing much in Minnesota or Seattle after leaving Houston...

I haven't once said "I told you so" and I won't have to nor am I waiting for Schaub to fail. He will fail, he is not a good QB so I do not have to wait on anything. He will be replaced before the year by a rookie and Schaub will be like dust in the wind...(Correction, will already be replaced by Carr before the season starts due to a "sore" elbow)

sorry, you are in the minority on this one, especially when Schaub's own coach says he needs to play better. I'll take his opinion over yours any day of the week, twice on Sunday...

Later!

BullNation4Life
08-25-2014, 09:49 AM
Anyone else find it ironice that Schaub is being taken our for Carr :)

seems Schaub's career has come full circle...Replaces a Carr only to be replaced by a Carr in the twilight of his career...

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2014, 05:27 PM
Dennis Allen is saying that Schaub's elbow is a minor problem, and has not changed the fact that he is to start the season opener.

The Pencil Neck
08-25-2014, 10:22 PM
Dennis Allen is saying that Schaub's elbow is a minor problem, and has not changed the fact that he is to start the season opener.

As long as he's ready for that second game of theirs...

(Oh, gawd, I hope I didn't jinx that.)

Lucky
08-25-2014, 10:39 PM
You know what so great about this thread?

It's the the NFL forum.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 09:50 PM
Some organizations execute a well-defined plan at quarterback. Other teams are the Oakland Raiders.

Just when it appeared that Matt Schaub's bout with elbow tendinitis had given Dennis Allen an excuse to turn to a younger arm capable of throwing convincingly beyond 10 yards, the Raiders head coach insisted Monday that the sketchy Week 1 plan remains the same and there are no concerns at quarterback.

Schaub said, via the San Francisco Chronicle, that his elbow soreness has been lingering for a couple of weeks, but has not affected his throwing. In fact, Schaub insists he's "100 percent" despite sitting out practice the past two days.

Allen backed up Schaub's assessment, adding that he has no concerns of his own about the elbow. This comes one day after Allen -- presumably with a straight face -- told reporters that he has not seen a lack of arm strength from Schaub.

If Allen isn't either in denial or playing fast-and-loose with the truth, he should be banned from quarterback evaluation for the rest of his career.

If Schaub is being sincere about the elbow soreness not affecting his throwing, the Raiders are in deep trouble.

The preseason play-calling has focused on dump offs, screens and crossers within a few yards of the line of scrimmage, as Schaub's fluttering intermediate and deep passes inevitably turn into contested balls.

Now is the time for the Raiders to exit damage control, concede their quarterback plan was flawed from the beginning and turn to Derek Carr or Matt McGloin for the season opener.

Instead, Allen will continue to stick his head in the sand, placing his own future and the fate of the 2014 Raiders behind a broken eight-ball.link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000383581/article/raiders-not-concerned-with-matt-schaubs-elbow)

infantrycak
08-27-2014, 10:00 PM
Schaub is quite apparently the QB coaches want to succeed. Even damaged HCs go to bat for him.

CloakNNNdagger
08-27-2014, 10:23 PM
Minor elbow tendonitis is an extremely common condition experienced in NFL QBs. That's why you see most QBs icing their throwing elbow after games. When they are significant, during games they will wear the thin elastic bands just below their elbow in order to relieve tension on the tendon.

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/tombrady.jpg?w=156

Notice, Schaub was not wearing one during his last game.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/28/files/2014/08/matt-schaub-nfl-preseason-oakland-raiders-green-bay-packers1.jpg

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Fred
08-27-2014, 11:04 PM
I have watched each and every game and this is a complete lie. Carr has flashed a few times, but hardly outplayed anyone, let alone Matt Schaub. Matt McGloin has outplayed Carr at every turn. This is what they call reporting these days.

Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.

drs23
08-27-2014, 11:07 PM
Maybe not, but he still sporting a damn fine beard. :kitten:

houstonspartan
08-28-2014, 12:04 AM
Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.

What in the world are you talking about? The Texans did what was right for the Texans - not Matt Schaub.

Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).

What does the Texans trading him have to do with Schaub being replaced by Carr or McGloin? And wasn't this trade before the draft? That means that Carr wasn't even on the team yet. What's the connection between the Texans trading Schaub and Schaub possibly being replaced?

Hell, the guy managed to find a team willing to pay his absurd salary. He should be happy with that alone.

The Pencil Neck
08-28-2014, 12:05 AM
What in the world are you talking about? The Texans did what was right for the Texans - not Matt Schaub.

Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).

Hell, the guy managed to find a team willing to pay his absurd salary. He should be happy with that alone.

The guy you're responding to was teasing Nitrofish and forgot the :kitten:

houstonspartan
08-28-2014, 12:15 AM
The guy you're responding to was teasing Nitrofish and forgot the :kitten:

Ah! Thanks for clearing that up! lol.

TheMatrix31
08-28-2014, 12:27 AM
I loved Schaub and I was born and raised in Fresno but both of them play for the Raiders so I hope both fail spectacularly.

Fred
08-28-2014, 02:16 AM
The guy you're responding to was teasing Nitrofish and forgot the :kitten:

Nitrofish from March and a couple of responses:

I thought you could not say anything more ridiculous than you had in the past. I apologize. I was wrong.

No reason unless you wanted to give the guy a shot at starting somewhere else, right? But look at what they did to Kubiak, so as I said in a previous post, why would they be any different when it concerns Schaub?

It's a total d!ck move if they hold on to him so long, there are no starting spots left!

I would like to believe all of this means that they are going to start him for one more season at this point. Many of you have given your reasons why they won't cut him until last minute, but I think if they believed as many of you do, (washed up, noodle arm, shell shocked, horrible) they would have cut him already, but then Newton is still on the team also, so I have no idea wtf is going on.

Classless move if they rob him of a chance to start elsewhere by holding onto him to long.

So the Texans suck because they fired Kubiak before the end of the season (giving him extra time to look for a job), but also suck because they're holding on to Schaub a few extra days to see if he can bring value in a trade? That makes a lot of sense.

Nobody, but nobody, believes Schaub will play QB for the Texans next year.

Don't call someone else out for being ridiculous and then put complete nonsense in the rest of your post. Teams don't lock down their starting lineup in the middle of March. If a better player is available later, they will make him the starter. So if Schaub is available next week or next month or in June, if he is better than a team's starter he will beat out the other guy. If Schaub is available immediately and a team signs him, they may be projecting him as the starter but that's not a guarantee (see Seahawks & Matt Flynn).

So you think the Texans pulled a d!ck move by keeping Kubiak too long??? Or you are one of the folks here who hate everything about the Texans and will spin anything they do into a d!ck move. Personally I would rather they do what is in the best interest of the team, which at times does require some d!ck moves, although Kubiak and Schaub don't fall into that category.

infantrycak
08-28-2014, 08:28 AM
Fair chance at a starting opportunity? The Raiders IMMEDIATELY named him the starter. He was HANDED the starting job (just like he was in Houston).

There was no competition to be had. Schaub was clearly the best QB on the team the minute he signed his contract with Houston. A fake competition would have served no purpose.

steelbtexan
08-28-2014, 09:14 AM
People making a big deal about preseason games. Watching the Raiders games, it's clear that Schaub will fail because he has no help at all. Having said that I think once MJD and DMC are in the the whole game things will change.

Surely they will all get better as the regular season progresses. They can't really keep dropping that many easy catches can they?

Schaub proved everyone wrong about his arm strength in the game and pushed the ball down field just fine and with touch. The pass to the FB that was dropped was perfect. The pass to Jones was perfect. Many, many drops of easily catchable balls.

The offensive line should be concerning them more than anything. It seems like the have the 2013 version of the right side of the Texans line, only on both sides.

People are so desperate to bury Schaub that they can't even wait until the regular season games have been played.

Pitiful

Yep

Hopefully MS is starting the 2nd game of the season. I cant wait to see MS trying to aoid the rush of JJ/Clowney/Cush etc... That should be fun. Ahhh!!!! good times are coming.

steelbtexan
08-28-2014, 09:20 AM
Which also then begins to take us back to the foot and its effect on mechanics (which definitely affects accuracy and also affects consistency of arm strength). As the season proceeds, I expect to see the "wear-down" phenomenon to become more and more obvious.

If it isn't obvious by now Doc, it never will be.

steelbtexan
08-28-2014, 09:50 AM
Sure it is... You have no idea what will become of Schaub this season, and he certainly has a fine resume. Certainly better than a #1 overall pick who previously was under center for the Texans.

It seems to me it's far more desperate and pitiful to continue your assault on a QB you dislike after he has been traded to another team just so you can say "See I knew it all along" or "See I told you so". I think more than likely you want to see him fail so that it does not reflect badly on you and all of the nonsensical things you have had to say about him.

Some fans are just being mean for the sake of being mean. And after all of the QB's that have been run out of this town who deserved much better treatment from the fan base than they got. Is it any wonder that a guy like Warren Moon is doing Seahawks games instead doing Texans games. Could it be because he too was treated poorly by fans like you?

Like it or not, and regardless how low the bar is set. Matt Schaub has achieved more for, and is still the best QB the Texans have ever had, or will have for some time to come. And all he gets for the blood sweat and tears he gave trying to entertain you is childish trash talking, even after he has been traded. That is truly sad and pitiful. What is it like to be so angry and miserable all the time? :pissed:

Agreed, but I have a pretty good idea of how this season will turn out for MS. One thing I'm sure of is you will spend far too much time defending him. Agreed, MS is the best QB the Texans have ever had. Hopefully they can find a is better than MS if the Texans acclomplish what all of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS want a SB champion.

Speaking of Moon, You must have a thing for QB's that shrink on the big stage in the playoffs. I don't like Moon, (Wife cheater/Beater, choker) I'm personally glad he moved ba to Washingon state where he went to college. (Where this man of great character served probation time for a DWI.) I guess the gentlemens clubs in Seattle must be the bomb.

steelbtexan
08-28-2014, 09:54 AM
As long as he's ready for that second game of theirs...

(Oh, gawd, I hope I didn't jinx that.)

^^^^
This

Nitrofish
08-28-2014, 10:25 AM
Don't forget to mention that if Schaub is replaced by Carr or McGloin it won't be because they outplayed him, it will be because of the d!ck move the Texans pulled in waiting to trade him instead of just cutting him - thus not allowing him a fair chance at a starting opportunity.

Bored? Trolling? Pretending to know what the Texans were waiting to do? Do you remember TJ Yates getting cut only to find out later he was traded after he was cut? So I think we can assume the Texans were not offered a trade for Schaub until it was clear he was about to be released and the Raiders did not want to risk losing him on the waivers.

It would have been a d!ck move to wait so long to cut Schaub that all of the starting jobs were already taken plain and simple. You act as if Schaub was a traitor or something. Schaub and Kubiak deserved better treatment than they got in the end IMO whether you agree or not. I'm not asking for your approval.

If Schaub is replaced it will be because he is injured, or truly has fallen off a cliff like most believe. (especially you Wesseling) But all of you fortune tellers don't know that yet. I would bet most of you have not even seen him play this preseason, but instead rely on your own bias, highlight clips and prize winning sports journalism from the likes of Chris Wesseling, and Dan Hanzus.

Let the dude play a 4 or 5 regular season games before digging his grave. Then if your scenario comes to pass, you can strut around and crow "See I told you so" all you want.

Nitrofish
08-28-2014, 11:59 AM
Yep

Hopefully MS is starting the 2nd game of the season. I cant wait to see MS trying to aoid the rush of JJ/Clowney/Cush etc... That should be fun. Ahhh!!!! good times are coming.

Actually I fear for his health in this game if the Texans play up to the potential, but we have seen the Texans shrink so many times for no reason at all, anything is possible. Schaub could very well get his revenge and silence many critics however unlikely that might be.

Agreed, but I have a pretty good idea of how this season will turn out for MS. One thing I'm sure of is you will spend far too much time defending him. Agreed, MS is the best QB the Texans have ever had. Hopefully they can find a is better than MS if the Texans acclomplish what all of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS want a SB champion.

Speaking of Moon, You must have a thing for QB's that shrink on the big stage in the playoffs. I don't like Moon, (Wife cheater/Beater, choker) I'm personally glad he moved ba to Washingon state where he went to college. (Where this man of great character served probation time for a DWI.) I guess the gentlemens clubs in Seattle must be the bomb.

I won't spend any more time defending Schaub. I won't even gloat if he proves you Schaub haters wrong. I won't deny that it will be fun to watch you all try to explain it all away though if he does play well. Honestly with the way that OLine looks, I do not expect him to finish the season if he remains the starter.

As far as Moon goes, I am not so smug as to judge someone's personal life as if I was there, or know anything about what happened. I know he gave a lot to the City of Houston, and I enjoyed watching him play in the Dome and on TV. I met him several times at the Gentlemen's Clubs in Houston, and he seemed to be a great guy. Very gracious to his fans and talked to you just like one of the guys. Not sure why you or others think these players personal lives should be on display, but whatever floats your boat bro.

Playoffs
08-29-2014, 11:59 AM
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
On PFT Live, Vic Tafur of San Francisco Chronicle on chances QB Derek Carr will start Week One for the Raiders: 100 percent.

Vance87
08-29-2014, 12:02 PM
Regardless, in week 2 we will be facing either a Schaub or a Carr. I don't know which one is weirder.

xtruroyaltyx
08-29-2014, 02:05 PM
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk

I would.

They are going to be terrible with Schaub. At least Carr can learn on the fly and he provides some energy for the team.

Nitrofish
08-29-2014, 08:10 PM
I would.

They are going to be terrible with Schaub. At least Carr can learn on the fly and he provides some energy for the team.

Yeah, "learn on the fly" how to get smashed and bashed around with a terrible line. That's always a confidence booster. Just ask his brother, or guys like Gabbert.

Lucky
08-29-2014, 09:14 PM
I won't spend any more time defending Schaub. I won't even gloat if he proves you Schaub haters wrong. I won't deny that it will be fun to watch you all try to explain it all away though if he does play well. Honestly with the way that OLine looks, I do not expect him to finish the season if he remains the starter.
So it's "I told ya so" if Schaub does well (by your standards) or "It's not his fault" if he fails (by any metric)?

Got it.

Nitrofish
08-30-2014, 12:58 AM
So it's "I told ya so" if Schaub does well (by your standards) or "It's not his fault" if he fails (by any metric)?

Got it.

Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.

xtruroyaltyx
08-30-2014, 01:24 AM
Yeah, "learn on the fly" how to get smashed and bashed around with a terrible line. That's always a confidence booster. Just ask his brother, or guys like Gabbert.

We talking about David Carr or Matt Schaub here?

Nitrofish
08-30-2014, 04:22 AM
We talking about David Carr or Matt Schaub here?

We're talking about Derek Carr actually. You say let Derek Carr learn on the fly, and I say that is foolish and point to a few recent examples of possible outcomes.

In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is running your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.

Much like the Texans, it is unlikely that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs let alone make the Super Bowl. So why rush it? You traded a pick, and are paying a handsome some to Schaub, so let him play as long as he can, then bring in the rookie, or hope that Schaub somehow makes it through the entire season.

Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:

Nitrofish
08-30-2014, 04:27 AM
We talking about David Carr or Matt Schaub here?

We're talking about Derek Carr actually. You say let Derek Carr learn on the fly, and I say that is foolish and point to a few recent examples of possible outcomes.

In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is ruining your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.

Much like the Texans, it is unlikely that the Raiders are going to make the playoffs let alone make the Super Bowl. So why rush it? You traded a pick, and are paying a handsome some to Schaub, so let him play as long as he can, then bring in the rookie, or hope that Schaub somehow makes it through the entire season.

Are you or anyone else selling the illusion that Schaub under center for the Raiders could be worse than what they have had for the last decade, all based on some preseason action?

:kubepalm:

thunderkyss
08-30-2014, 05:26 AM
In the end coach Allen might be thinking the same thing I am. Let Schaub absorb all of that punishment for as long as he can while our future QB learns from a safe distance until he is ready. No sense is ruining your 2nd round pick if you don't have to.


Might not be that easy. Players want to win & it's hard to feel like a winner after losing all the time. If Allen is honest with his players, including Schaub, he might be able to hold them together for the entire season, "Schaub sucks, but these five guys can't protect him. There's no way I'm going to put our rookie, the future of our franchise behind that."

That's if Schaub is the problem, which right now I'm not 100% sold on. But if he is, the team won't understand if he is treated like a "Starting QB" who's sht don't stink.