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ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2014, 04:04 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/20/ryan-fitzpatrick-visiting-texans/

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kingtexan
03-20-2014, 04:26 PM
Championship ...

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 04:27 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/20/ryan-fitzpatrick-visiting-texans/

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Matt Schaub replacement...

kingtexan
03-20-2014, 04:33 PM
Matt Schaub replacement...

Yes, lets replace one type of dung, with another yet more hairy type of dung ... yes.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 04:40 PM
Matt Schaub replacement...

His career rating is lower than Schaub's crappy last 16 games. 35% winning as a starter v. 52%.

Yup - agenda & hater apply to you and any mention of Schaub.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 04:42 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2c6w33gk91rtdslpo1_400.jpg
http://binaryapi.ap.org/d7009ba35c834a8e907b4255b19f9820/460x.jpg

So it is written,
So it shall be done.

Showtime100
03-20-2014, 04:47 PM
http://binaryapi.ap.org/d7009ba35c834a8e907b4255b19f9820/460x.jpg


He was so great in Uptown Saturday Night. :fingergun:

ObsiWan
03-20-2014, 05:00 PM
He was so great in Uptown Saturday Night. :fingergun:

I KNEW that beard looked familiar

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJ211yBePmSiTOapaTowUOYQ2HZsTpD LZIlvVgIR1uVJXe_iHTWg

Malloy
03-20-2014, 05:10 PM
Beards all around!

I actually like the Fitz... don't ask why because I don't know :)

PapaL
03-20-2014, 05:18 PM
Wait...what?!?

Fitzpatrick started nine games for the Texans last year in place of an injured Jake Locker and completed 62 percent of his passes while throwing 14 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Maybe THAT was our problem last year!

TheMatrix31
03-20-2014, 05:29 PM
He's signing, as per Rapoport.

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 05:31 PM
I have no idea what the Texans ultimate end game is. None.

Stemp
03-20-2014, 05:31 PM
If he signed, I guess we are drafting a QB.

amazing80
03-20-2014, 05:32 PM
He's signing, as per Rapoport.

quote?

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 05:33 PM
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn (https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status/446775928576684032)
Source says Houston Texans signing QB Ryan Fitzpatrick to a 2-year contract following visit today. Matt Schaub could be more expendable

Needed a guy with a brain who can learn OB's system if we're not bringing one of his other guys in.

6'2 3/8", 221 lbs. Harvard

Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career 85 77 27-49-1 1555 2599 59.8 16790 106 4.1 93 3.6 98 6.5 5.7 10.8 197.5 77.5 165 932 5.74 4.99 6.0 7 9 49
4 yrs BUF 55 53 20-33-0 1041 1742 59.8 11654 80 4.6 64 3.7 98 6.7 6.0 11.2 211.9 79.8 97 581 6.02 5.33 5.3 4 6 34
2 yrs CIN 14 12 4-7-1 221 372 59.4 1905 8 2.2 9 2.4 79 5.1 4.5 8.6 136.1 70.0 38 193 4.18 3.58 9.3 3
2 yrs STL 5 3 0-3-0 76 135 56.3 777 4 3.0 8 5.9 56 5.8 3.7 10.2 155.4 58.2 9 49 5.06 3.11 6.3 1 1 3
1 yr TEN 11 9 3-6-0 217 350 62.0 2454 14 4.0 12 3.4 77 7.0 6.3 11.3 223.1 82.0 21 109 6.32 5.62 5.7 2 2 9
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 05:34 PM
quote?

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter ∑ 1m
Texans have signed quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick to a two-year contract, per @Edwerderespn.



Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet ∑ 5m
Ryan Fitzpatrick is signing with the #Texans, source said.




:chef:

Showtime100
03-20-2014, 05:35 PM
Wait...what?!?



Maybe THAT was our problem last year!

Lol, maybe our problem next year.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 05:35 PM
Amazing80 is correct.
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet ∑ 5m
Ryan Fitzpatrick is signing with the #Texans, source said.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 05:36 PM
His career rating is lower than Schaub's crappy last 16 games. 35% winning as a starter v. 52%.

Yup - agenda & hater apply to you and any mention of Schaub.

Uh nope they just signed him to a 2 year deal...

Why are they signing Fitzpatrick if they plan on keeping Schaub, for third string? Don't think so...

Forest for the trees my friend, forest for the trees..

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 05:40 PM
Bye TJ.

Hello dink and dunk.

Uh nope they just signed him to a 2 year deal...

Why are they signing Fitzpatrick if they plan on keeping Schaub, for third string? Don't think so...

Forest for the trees my friend, forest for the trees..

You missed the point. If you weren't a Schaub hater you would have been commenting on Fitzgerald and it being a bad move to bring in someone even worse.

Porky
03-20-2014, 05:42 PM
Schaub is now as good as gone. Waiting on the other shoe to drop, possibly soon. Good bye and good luck.

Meanwhile, I see Fitz and Keenum duking it out in camp to see who starts anywhere from a couple of games to a half season or so while 1.1 aka Blake Bortles holds a clipboard and learns the system.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2014, 05:44 PM
Schaub is now as good as gone. Waiting on the other shoe to drop, possibly soon. Good bye and good luck.

Meanwhile, I see Fitz and Keenum duking it out in camp to see who starts anywhere from a couple of games to a half season or so while 1.1 aka Blake Bortles holds a clipboard and learns the system.

Agreed.

Double Barrel
03-20-2014, 05:50 PM
Schaub is now as good as gone. Waiting on the other shoe to drop, possibly soon. Good bye and good luck.

Meanwhile, I see Fitz and Keenum duking it out in camp to see who starts anywhere from a couple of games to a half season or so while 1.1 aka Blake Bortles holds a clipboard and learns the system.

Bingo. I think they go with Bortles, as well, and sit him at the beginning of the season and start working him into games by the end.

:fortune:

Showtime100
03-20-2014, 05:50 PM
I agree. At least as far as their draft day plans are. Maybe Bortles, maybe not, but a QB. The proverbial hand has been tipped.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 05:50 PM
Bye TJ.

Hello dink and dunk.



You missed the point. If you weren't a Schaub hater you would have been commenting on Fitzgerald and it being a bad move to bring in someone even worse.

No I just stated the obvious, that he is being brought in to replace Schaub. One of two things are about happen, they have a deal to trade Schaub or he is about to get cut.


Bortles will be the day 1 starter and Fitzpatrick will be the back up...

If stating facts is having an agenda then so be it

hot pickle
03-20-2014, 05:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8SA0XFPZB4


:tiptoe:

amazing80
03-20-2014, 05:55 PM
Playing devils advocate here, but reality is we have no idea whats about to go down. Fitzpatrick could be signed as a starter to get us through one year before getting a bigger named qb next season. Or we could be sold on a later round qb and need someone like Ryan in the mean time. This IMO means nothing at this point except instead of keeping Schaub we have Fitzpatrick. As for the number 1 pick, this indicates nothing.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2014, 05:55 PM
Either they go with Bortles or another QB and sit him behind Fitz to start, or they draft Mack/Clowney and roll with Fitz through the year and draft a QB in 2015.

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 05:56 PM
No I just stated the obvious, that he is being brought in to replace Schaub. One of two things are about happen, they have a deal to trade Schaub or he is about to get cut.


Bortles will be the day 1 starter and Fitzpatrick will be the back up...

If stating facts is having an agenda then so be it

You can say that without saying Schaub was never any good.

I don't think anyone disagreed that Fitzpatrick was being looked at to replace Schaub as a vet backup or even that Schaub should be kept on the team (although some would say that Schaub is a better all-around QB than Fitzpatrick.)

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 05:58 PM
Playing devils advocate here, but reality is we have no idea whats about to go down. Fitzpatrick could be signed as a starter to get us through one year before getting a bigger named qb next season. Or we could be sold on a later round qb and need someone like Ryan in the mean time. This IMO means nothing at this point except instead of keeping Schaub we have Fitzpatrick. As for the number 1 pick, this indicates nothing.

Exactly.

With this signing (and the assumption that Schaub is gone one way or another), we could really be targeting a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 that we could groom while Fitz is starting.

thunderkyss
03-20-2014, 06:00 PM
You missed the point. If you weren't a Schaub hater you would have been commenting on Fitzgerald and it being a bad move to bring in someone even worse.

& we're paying for him for 2 seasons.

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 06:01 PM
What if Fitz was brought in to back up Case?

DUN DUN DUN!

_King_
03-20-2014, 06:04 PM
Well I'll guess I'll be the did duck and say I have no clue what any if this means or what their next move will be.

Dutchrudder
03-20-2014, 06:13 PM
Well I guess this means we have a trade in place for Tom Brady.

TexansFTW
03-20-2014, 06:18 PM
Well I guess this means that we sought after and brought in Fitzpatrick to teach Night School classes to the rest of the guys.

Norg
03-20-2014, 06:19 PM
Championship Signing !!!!!!!!! les go :mariopalm:

281
03-20-2014, 06:23 PM
I'm loving this Fitzpatrick signing... He's smart (Harvard grad), mobile, and will be cheaper than Schaub... Not to mention, this now most likely means Schaub will be gone soon! He's a solid backup, and a capable stop-gap.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:25 PM
You can say that without saying Schaub was never any good.

I don't think anyone disagreed that Fitzpatrick was being looked at to replace Schaub as a vet backup or even that Schaub should be kept on the team (although some would say that Schaub is a better all-around QB than Fitzpatrick.)

how many 10 million dollar backups are in the NFL right now? Unless Schaub was willing to take a pay cut, and why should he, he was been a starter for 8 years, Schaub was never going to be the back up.

Now Fitzpatrick will make either a serviceable tackling dummy or a back up to the rookie.

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 06:27 PM
http://i.imgur.com/EKxvL23.png

thunderkyss
03-20-2014, 06:30 PM
I'm loving this Fitzpatrick signing... He's smart (Harvard grad), mobile, and will be cheaper than Schaub... Not to mention, this now most likely means Schaub will be gone soon! He's a solid backup, and a capable stop-gap.

Depends on how you look at it.

QB would have cost us $14.5M in 2014, $7M in 2015 with Schaub (cutting him next year).

Now, QB will cost us $10.5M + Fitz cap hit in 2014, Fitz cap hit in 2015.

So we'll see.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:30 PM
Exactly.

With this signing (and the assumption that Schaub is gone one way or another), we could really be targeting a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 that we could groom while Fitz is starting.

Why would they target a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 when they are about to draft a QB at 1-1...

McNair and Co. does not want to make the same mistake twice in drafting a QB #1 over all and put him out there to get David Carr-ed.

Either Bortles will be the starter day 1, because he is absolutely, 100% ready, or they will take the safe approach and let Fitzpatrick play until late in the season and then bring on Bortles then, alah how the Oilers did Steve McNair...

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 06:31 PM
how many 10 million dollar backups are in the NFL right now? Unless Schaub was willing to take a pay cut, and why should he, he was been a starter for 8 years, Schaub was never going to be the back up.

Now Fitzpatrick will make either a serviceable tackling dummy or a back up to the rookie.

Do you think I disagree with any of that?

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:32 PM
You can say that without saying Schaub was never any good.

I don't think anyone disagreed that Fitzpatrick was being looked at to replace Schaub as a vet backup or even that Schaub should be kept on the team (although some would say that Schaub is a better all-around QB than Fitzpatrick.)

For the record, I don't recall saying he wasn't any good, just he was a mediocre poop stain for 8 years, to say the least...

or we can use your phrase...

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 06:33 PM
Why would they target a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 when they are about to draft a QB at 1-1...

I'm not convinced they're necessarily taking a QB at 1-1. They might. They might not.

The lesson they got from the previous two times we've had the 1-1 draft pick is that it's best to go with a pass-rusher (Julius Peppers instead of Carr and Mario Williams instead of Leinart/Young/Cutler).

powda
03-20-2014, 06:36 PM
Schaub trade is dead now.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:39 PM
I'm not convinced they're necessarily taking a QB at 1-1. They might. They might not.

The lesson they got from the previous two times we've had the 1-1 draft pick is that it's best to go with a pass-rusher (Julius Peppers instead of Carr and Mario Williams instead of Leinart/Young/Cutler).

I am, I think OB has been eying Bortles ever since he declared for the NFL Draft...

I don't think they would go DE like in the previous draft, for fact the way the DE's are used in Romeo's defense. They are not pass rushers, they are gap stuffers for the linebackers to come in and make the tackles, at least they have been in the past.

Unless they feel Clowney can play OLB, or they feel Mack is a big enough prospect to draft him #1, or trade back, I think QB at 1.1 is inevitable...

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 06:39 PM
Schaub trade is dead now.

I'm not so sure about that.

If Schaub is cut, he'll almost definitely go to the Browns and be re-united with Shanahan.

If the Raiders really want Schaub as much as people have been saying, the best chance they have to get him is to trade for him.

So it's not totally dead.

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:40 PM
Schaub trade is dead now.

why would you say that? Think Raiders will just wait until he is cut? That would be a big risk, if Schaub decides to go elsewhere like Cleveland...

you may be right though...

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 06:41 PM
Does Fitzpatrick bring with him a CURSE?:chef:



I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but there's a bit of a disturbing trend going on with this guy's career.

Everywhere Ryan Fitzpatrick goes, misfortune rains upon anyone who stands in front of him on the depth chart.

Let's review how things have gone for all four teams Fitzpatrick has played with:

St. Louis Rams - Fitzpatrick, a Harvard grad with a perfect Wonderlic score, is drafted in the 7th round of the 2005 draft as an intriguing project pick. The team who drafts him, the St. Louis Rams, is already set with a franchise quarterback. Marc Bulger, a Pro Bowler who has led them to back-to-back playoff appearances, is in the prime of his career. However, Bulger injures his right throwing shoulder after a 2-4 start to the 2005 season. He returns a few weeks later, but after losing two more games, he re-injures his shoulder and is out for the year. Bulger is replaced by Jamie Martin in Week 12, but Martin quickly succumbs to injury himself in the first quarter.

In comes Ryan Fitzpatrick. The unheralded 7th round rookie shocks the world with a brilliant performance, throwing for 310 yards on just 30 attempts, and delivers a 56-yard bomb in Kevin Curtis to win the game in overtime. This, however, is just a tease. Fitzpatrick plays horribly over the next three games, tossing five interceptions in his second start and throwing for 69 yards on 24 attempts in his third. He is relegated back to the bench, and never sees the field again for the Rams before being let go after the 2006 season.

As for Bulger, his career quickly falls apart. He rebounds with a pretty strong season in 2006 despite failing to reach the playoffs, but this doesn't last. Starting in 2007, the Rams plummet toward the bottom of the NFL and Bulger's numbers instantly crash for the next few seasons. With a horrible team surrounding him, Bulger appears shellshocked and never plays like his old self. Once Bulger is let go by the Rams, he never gets another starting job.

Cincinnati Bengals - Fitzpatrick, meanwhile, finds himself in Cincinnati by the 2007 season, where he is backing up another franchise quarterback. Carson Palmer, who has made back-to-back Pro Bowls, appears to have recovered just fine from his torn ACL and is right back on track to being a superstar....until 2007. Palmer throws 20 interceptions in a 7-9 season for the Bengals, an unexpected decline from the young superstar. But while 2007 was merely disappointing, 2008 was a disaster for Palmer. He is plagued with an elbow injury early in the season, later revealed to be a torn ligament, and aggravates it in a Week 5 loss before being placed on IR. Many believe this elbow injury has permanently affected Palmer, taking away some of the arm strength he once had. He has never been the same since.

Fitzpatrick again enters the starting lineup following Palmer's injury, but doesn't play well enough to warrant serious consideration as a starting quarterback.

Buffalo Bills - In 2009, Fitzpatrick signs with Buffalo to back up a somewhat promising young quarterback in Trent Edwards. While Edwards had not been spectacular in his first two seasons, he had performed reasonably well in what was thought of by some as a game manager role as Buffalo's starting quarterback. Until 2009, of course. Edwards regresses in his third season and, at the halfway point, is benched. Fitzpatrick once again enters the lineup and starts most of the second half of the season.

Despite the benching, the story remains the same one year later: Edwards once again wins the starting job in 2010. It doesn't last. Edwards ends up playing two of the worst games of his life to start the season, and is surprisingly released by the Bills afterwards. After a disastrous midseason stint with Jacksonville, Edwards' career in the NFL is essentially over.

Fitzpatrick, back in the lineup once again, surprises everyone with a decent performance to close the 2010 season. While that performance was promising, he then shocks the world in 2011 with a dominant 3-0 start capped off by a miraculous comeback victory over the Patriots. The Bills prematurely reward him with a massive contract extension, and Fitzpatrick immediately proceeds to regress back to his old self. He throws 20 picks in the last 13 games as the Bills go 3-10 to close out the season. He continues to languish in mediocrity in 2012 before being released.

Tennessee Titans - Once again, Fitzpatrick finds himself in a situation where he's backing up a young, potential franchise quarterback when he signs with Tennessee for 2013. The results, so far, are eerily similar. While Jake Locker appeared to have turned the corner on the field, he has now been struck down with injuries twice this year and is now out for the season. Yet again, Ryan Fitzpatrick returns to the starting lineup.

To recap, nothing but terrible things have happened to the quarterbacks Ryan Fitzpatrick has backed up in his career, regardless of how good they were thought to be at the time. Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer and Trent Edwards all saw their fortunes collapse quickly and unexpectedly once Fitzpatrick came to town. And now, Jake Locker has also been lost for the season.link (http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1qhl9b/)



Now, message from Fitzpatrick to the Texans?

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39414063/I+am+Cursed+l_37fc6fbd72b24f849757bde684bb.jpg

BullNation4Life
03-20-2014, 06:43 PM
Does Fitzpatrick bring with him a CURSE?:chef:


link (http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1qhl9b/)



Now, message from Fitzpatrick to the Texans?

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39414063/I+am+Cursed+l_37fc6fbd72b24f849757bde684bb.jpg

Dum dum duuuuuuummmmm....

This could be interesting...

bayoudreamn
03-20-2014, 06:44 PM
Bingo. I think they go with Bortles, as well, and sit him at the beginning of the season and start working him into games by the end.

:fortune:

Agreed. I think it's noteworthy that the coaches have been to ProDays for TB and BB this week and JM/JF is next week. I think that counts as some measure of "communication" from the team in what has been very quiet until now. So, some guesses can be made. I think this slightly nudges the likelihood of a QB pick with the 1st pick for Texans. Still not enough info. I am intrigued now on what we'd get out of a Schaub trade to the SlvrNBlk.

JCTexan
03-20-2014, 06:46 PM
I don't think this signing gives any indication on what the Texans are going to do with the first pick. Fitzpatrick could be nothing more than a backup to Bortles/Bridgewater this year..

powda
03-20-2014, 06:47 PM
I'm not so sure about that.

If Schaub is cut, he'll almost definitely go to the Browns and be re-united with Shanahan.

If the Raiders really want Schaub as much as people have been saying, the best chance they have to get him is to trade for him.

So it's not totally dead.

I think your assessment is fair...but im inclined to believe otherwise. Would you agree then that if a trade is still possible this signing lessened schaubs value?

We will not be going into the season with fitz and schaub and the raiders know it.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 06:49 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Ryan Fitzpatrick's 2014 cap figure is $3.37 mil. By my calculations Texans should be $6.3 million under cap.

Fitzpatrick gets 2 years, 7.5 mil, 4 million guaranteed.

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 06:55 PM
I think your assessment is fair...but im inclined to believe otherwise. Would you agree then that if a trade is still possible this signing lessened schaubs value?

We will not be going into the season with fitz and schaub and the raiders know it.

For Schaub's value to have been lessened, there had to be the threat that we were going to keep him and that he was going to be on the team next season. I'm firmly in the camp that never thought that was a serious possibility.

For me, all of Schaub's potential trade value has always been based on the leverage of playing the Browns against the Raiders never on the leverage of us keeping him.

So his value is the same as far as I'm concerned.

TheMatrix31
03-20-2014, 06:55 PM
How much more cursed can the Houston Texans be, anyway?

ObsiWan
03-20-2014, 06:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8SA0XFPZB4


:tiptoe:

Why I oughta...
:bat:

ObsiWan
03-20-2014, 07:00 PM
How much more cursed can the Houston Texans be, anyway?
Never challenge the universe.
:smiliepalm:

htownfan32
03-20-2014, 07:00 PM
obligatory

:trophy:

Seegara
03-20-2014, 07:15 PM
Bingo. I think they go with Bortles, as well, and sit him at the beginning of the season and start working him into games by the end.

:fortune:
No, they're not going to sit him or even seat him. The new QB will start the 1st game and get OJT. Texans will draft a QB first. He will either be Bortles or a surprise. They will not take Bridgewater or Manziel.

powda
03-20-2014, 07:15 PM
never on the leverage of us keeping him

And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."

Lucky
03-20-2014, 07:16 PM
The proverbial hand has been tipped.


With this signing (and the assumption that Schaub is gone one way or another), we could really be targeting a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 that we could groom while Fitz is starting.
The hand had been tipped by anyone watching a Texans game. They needed a young franchise QB. And really, you can't "target" a player at 2-1, much less 3-1. They can target a player with the 1st pick. Maybe they could trade down a few spots. But that's risky if you only like 1 QB.

This signing only surprises me that it was prior to Schaub being traded/cut. I guess Fitz had another offer and the Texans had to get the deal done. No matter, I had doubts that a deal could have been made anyway.

I see a lot of hating on Fitzpatrick, already. Why not give O'brien the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing and at least see the guy in a Texans uni before completely panning the signing?

CretorFrigg
03-20-2014, 07:19 PM
Here's Ryan Fitzpatrick's first NFL game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8SA0XFPZB4

I've been watching Fitzpatrick since he's been playing at Harvard. He's a smart QB and certainly someone who can quickly learn OB's system. I like the signing.

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 07:19 PM
And really, you can't "target" a player at 2-1, much less 3-1. They can target a player with the 1st pick.

You can target a player at any freaking point in the draft you want. You have targeted players with almost every pick.

bah007
03-20-2014, 07:20 PM
So the same people who were complaining about us not making any moves are now complaining about the moves we are making?...

Lucky
03-20-2014, 07:30 PM
You can target a player at any freaking point in the draft you want. You have targeted players with almost every pick.
I don't think a team is going to plan how they will proceed at QB hoping a guy will be available in the 2nd round. We'll see in 7 weeks.

Bulls on Parade
03-20-2014, 07:37 PM
Is Ryan Fitzpatrick an upgrade over T.J. Yates? If so then I like the move.

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 07:40 PM
I don't think a team is going to plan how they will proceed at QB hoping a guy will be available in the 2nd round. We'll see in 7 weeks.

They will if they don't see a guy at 1-1 worth the pick.

They might see a guy they like at 1-1. They may not.

Carr Bombed
03-20-2014, 07:43 PM
Does Fitzpatrick bring with him a CURSE?:chef:


link (http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1qhl9b/)



Now, message from Fitzpatrick to the Texans?

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/39414063/I+am+Cursed+l_37fc6fbd72b24f849757bde684bb.jpg

I'm not seeing the curse at all.. Bulger played his way out of a job. (See Schaub)

Palmer never recovered from his knee injury "fine" like the article says (he was never mentally the same), couldn't stay healthy, and threatened to retire in order to get out of Cincinnati. He flat out didn't want to play there any more.

Trent Edwards was always a hot steaming pile before Fitzpatrick ever came to town and the only reason why he became the Bills starter was because J.P. Losman was even a bigger hot steaming pile who couldn't stay healthy.

As far as Locker goes.. to suggest Fitzpatrick was a curse there is to also label Hasselbeck a curse as well, because just like Hasselbeck, the reason why Fitzpatrick started was because Jake Locker is made of glass and can never stay healthy.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't a curse.. He's just always played on a team that didn't have a franchise QB who could lock up the position or played with a QB (Palmer) who was disgruntled and no longer wanted to play for the franchise. Ryan Fitzpatrick is what he's always been.. A journeyman back up QB and I don't think Houston is expecting him to be anything more than that.

Texian
03-20-2014, 07:45 PM
why would you say that? Think Raiders will just wait until he is cut? That would be a big risk, if Schaub decides to go elsewhere like Cleveland...

you may be right though...

And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."

IMHO I believe Schaub's agent has already been in touch with every team interested in a starting QB and has gauged the interest and signing dollars if Matt is not traded. And Schaub signs with the team with the most $$$.

Texian
03-20-2014, 07:48 PM
Fitzpatrick??? Hmmm....is Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels? Hmmm...is the Texans plan to have the #1 draft pick two years in a row? Hmmm...

bayoudreamn
03-20-2014, 07:52 PM
And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."

If I were Matt Schaub, late in my career with an opportunity to go to a team in an offense I know versus an unfamiliar offense on a bad team, I'd likely go with the sure thing. Sometimes looking at the money up front isn't smart. It's not like the biggest contract is guaranteed to pay the most. Think about that.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 08:02 PM
I'm not seeing the curse at all.. Bulger played his way out of a job. (See Schaub)

Palmer never recovered from his knee injury "fine" like the article says (he was never mentally the same), couldn't stay healthy, and threatened to retire in order to get out of Cincinnati. He flat out didn't want to play there any more.

Trent Edwards was always a hot steaming pile before Fitzpatrick ever came to town and the only reason why he became the Bills starter was because J.P. Losman was even a bigger hot steaming pile who couldn't stay healthy.

As far as Locker goes.. to suggest Fitzpatrick was a curse there is to also label Hasselbeck a curse as well, because just like Hasselbeck, the reason why Fitzpatrick started was because Jake Locker is made of glass and can never stay healthy.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't a curse.. He's just always played on a team that didn't have a franchise QB who could lock up the position or played with a QB (Palmer) who was disgruntled and no longer wanted to play for the franchise. Ryan Fitzpatrick is what he's always been.. A journeyman back QB and I don't think Houston is expecting him to be anything more than that.

Whether you call it a curse or not, it is interesting that those playing ahead of him never enjoyed any long term success.

Hottoddie
03-20-2014, 08:07 PM
I like this signing. Fitz is better than any QB we have on the roster now, if we assume Schaub is gone.

If Oakland trades for Schaub I would think they'll give us a 2nd or, more likely, a 3rd. If Rick is any kind of a GM he should be able to leverage Cleveland's interest to force a decent offer from Oakland. From everything I've read, Oakland really wants Schaub. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Schaub's agent is working on a revamped 2 year contract with Oakland that would include a fair amount of guaranteed money/bonus.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2014, 08:09 PM
Well, at least he won't kick our ass again.... Rams 33-27 OT win in which, BTW the Texans were up big (24-3 Texans at half)

Addition by subtraction. ;D

Goldensilence
03-20-2014, 08:11 PM
Not an Earth shattering signing, but as speculated the Texans would sign a veteran qb. I don't think it necessarily makes them a shoe in for QB 1.1. In fact I'd say it opens up options. However, there's no way around it, you need a legit QB to win consistently in the NFL. Fitz isn't anything more than a capable stop gap starter.

If it was up to ME, take the best you figure Bortles and Bridgewater then run with them.

houstonhurricane
03-20-2014, 08:17 PM
I like this signing. Fitz is better than any QB we have on the roster now, if we assume Schaub is gone.

If Oakland trades for Schaub I would think they'll give us a 2nd or, more likely, a 3rd. If Rick is any kind of a GM he should be able to leverage Cleveland's interest to force a decent offer from Oakland. From everything I've read, Oakland really wants Schaub. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Schaub's agent is working on a revamped 2 year contract with Oakland that would include a fair amount of guaranteed money/bonus.

If Smith gets a second or third for Schaub he will already be deserving of GM of the year...

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 08:19 PM
Appears that OB got to see Fitzpatrick start 6 games against the Patriots in his time there.

If Smith gets a second or third for Schaub he will already be deserving of GM of the year...

of the decade!

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 08:30 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Fitzpatrick on his role "We'll see how that plays over the offseason Coach O'Brien and I have similar views and beliefs about (offense)."

Fitzpatrick "I want 2 show how hard I work. That's the same approach I've had for 9 years. I like to be dependable. I'm in a good situation."

Fitpatrick "I hoped to finish my contract with Titans. You never want to get kicked to the curb, so to speak, but this is a great opportunity."

Ryan Fitzpatrick "I met with coach O'Brien, and I like what he's going to do with the offense and the direction (Texans) are going."
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
"The way that (Bill O'Brien) thinks about the game, it was a really impressive thing that I felt like I meshed well with."

"Being exposed to so many situations in my career,being able to lean on that is something that will continue to help me in my career"

Texans QB Ryan Fitzpatrick:"It seems like it's going 2 be a pretty special place & (Bill O'Brien) is going to be a special guy to play for"

thunderkyss
03-20-2014, 08:34 PM
I'm not seeing the curse at all..

It was a joke.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 08:39 PM
If Smith gets a second or third for Schaub he will already be deserving of GM of the year...

.....more like McKenzie deserving of the GoMer of the year.........

Lucky
03-20-2014, 08:41 PM
Well, at least he won't kick our ass again.... Rams 33-27 OT win in which, BTW the Texans were up big (24-3 Texans at half)

Fitz's 1st games as a pro, and it might have been his best ever.

DocBar
03-20-2014, 08:48 PM
Meh. Schaub is gone. Hopefully, we get something for him. If not, so be it.

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2014, 08:58 PM
Haven't read the thread, but it seems only fitting that the team that gave him a career finally employs.

Can't wait for the Pickspatrick jokes to begin.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 09:02 PM
What can be said for Fitzpatrick is that he is indeed durable.........in his entire career, he has ended up on the injury list only 4 times!

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 09:03 PM
Texans land quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/25032951/2014/03/20/texans-land-quarterback-ryan-fitzpatrick)


http://binaryapi.ap.org/f7904e81149f43fcabb83fa778971104/460x.jpg

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
With Fitzpatrick signing with the Texans, I guess we can finally stop the "Schaub may be coming back!" fear mongering, right?

I am Mclovin ‏@dabearmc
@LanceZierlein Isn't Fitzpatrick Irish for "Schaub"?
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Dutchrudder
03-20-2014, 09:10 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Ryan Fitzpatrick's 2014 cap figure is $3.37 mil. By my calculations Texans should be $6.3 million under cap.

Fitzpatrick gets 2 years, 7.5 mil, 4 million guaranteed.

That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?

EVOLVIST
03-20-2014, 09:12 PM
Can't wait for the Pickspatrick jokes to begin.

Not unless Fitz sees the field, because I don't expect he will unless something dire happens. This is merely the obligatory veteran-on-the-roster move after the Texans lost out on McGowen the week before.

All this means is that the keeping Matt Schuab threads can be closed for good.

Carr Bombed
03-20-2014, 09:17 PM
Whether you call it a curse or not, it is interesting that those playing ahead of him never enjoyed any long term success.

That's because they either sucked or couldn't stay healthy (some had both issues) to begin with.. In almost every case they had that problem well before Fitzpatrick came to town. It's not because Fitz put some curse on them. He's just another "Jon Kitna" type journeyman QB.

beerlover
03-20-2014, 09:18 PM
That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?

O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:

EVOLVIST
03-20-2014, 09:18 PM
That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?

And this is the REAL question we should be asking ourselves!

I had to meet Rick Smith in person before I became convinced that he wasn't my wife, with all this frivolous spending, time and time again.

TexanSam
03-20-2014, 09:20 PM
If I were to guess I think this means Fitzpatrick is the starter for a year or two and Clowney is chosen with the #1 pick. Meanwhile, they either draft a QB in the 2nd-4th to groom as Fitzpatrick's replacement or pick someone in 2015. I'm okay with that I think. Watt and Clowney on the d-line would be scary good.

Nawzer
03-20-2014, 09:25 PM
This is great news indeed! Another nail in the coffin for Matt Schaub's tenure as a Houston Texan! Woooo!!!!

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 09:27 PM
This is great news indeed! Another nail in the coffin for Matt Schaub's tenure as a Houston Texans! Woooo!!!!

Just wish they wouldn't drag it out. I know....."reasons"...upcoming draft, don't show cards, yadda yadda yadda....

But its killing me.

thunderkyss
03-20-2014, 09:31 PM
If I were to guess I think this means Fitzpatrick is the starter for a year or two and Clowney is chosen with the #1 pick. Meanwhile, they either draft a QB in the 2nd-4th to groom as Fitzpatrick's replacement or pick someone in 2015. I'm okay with that I think. Watt and Clowney on the d-line would be scary good.

I'm thinking he's one more starting QB for Keenum to beat out of a job. He already took Schaub's job, taking it from a second veteran QB will legitimize him as the one true Texans starter.

DX-TEX
03-20-2014, 09:33 PM
I'm thinking he's one more starting QB for Keenum to beat out of a job. He already took Schaub's job, taking it from a second veteran QB will legitimize him as the one true Texans starter.

Bill O'Brien is the Highlander?

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2014, 09:37 PM
And this is the REAL question we should be asking ourselves!

I had to meet Rick Smith in person before I became convinced that he wasn't my wife, with all this frivolous spending, time and time again.

he got less than Cassell or Henne to perform the same role and about the same as Charlie Whitehurst who is closer to a pure back-up than he is???

kiwitexansfan
03-20-2014, 09:43 PM
O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:

I think this is it.

Smart QB to pick up the system well, knows he isn't the long term answer so will be comfortable bringing someone along.

Texan_Bill
03-20-2014, 10:02 PM
Fitz's 1st games as a pro, and it might have been his best ever.

Yessir. It was in fact his first game as a pro... Certainly it was his best EVER!!

That said, it stung a lot, but didn't he beat the Texans as a Buffalo Bill also?

I dunno man, I'm shootin' from the hip.

texan_joe
03-20-2014, 10:02 PM
Assuming Schaub is not gonna be on the roster, Fitzpatrick will be the best QB on the roster. I would love for them to take Bridgewater, but I think the #1 spot is Clowney's to lose. I think as an organization the Texas pretty much know next season is a transition year and they'll take a QB next season, be it Winston, Mariota, Hundley or whoever.
If they don't take Bridgewater, the only other quarterback I would like to see them take a run at is Aaron Murray in the 3rd.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 10:18 PM
Yessir. It was in fact his first game as a pro... Certainly it was his best EVER!!

That said, it stung a lot, but didn't he beat the Texans as a Buffalo Bill also?

I dunno man, I'm shootin' from the hip.

Won with Rams 2005 - 117 qb rating.
Lost with Bengals 2008 - 48 rating
Lost with Buffalo 2009 - 41 rating
Lost with Buffalo 2012 - 83 rating
Won with Tacks 2013 - 65 rating.

Overall v. Texans: 2-3 with a 73 rating.

I think as an organization the Texas pretty much know next season is a transition year and they'll take a QB next season, be it Winston, Mariota, Hundley or whoever.

So the Texans are writing off two seasons right now? I wouldn't bet on it.

IDEXAN
03-20-2014, 10:20 PM
I'm fine with this signing, I would have been OK if O'Brien wanted to retain Schaub as his staring QB for 2014 because it's the new HC for the Texans and he deserves the benefit of the doubt during his rookie year, a honeymoon with the fans (atleast this one) if you will for awhile. Gotta sit back and see where his decisions take us, McNair is doing just that and he's got a lot more riding on O'Brien than any of us do.

Showtime100
03-20-2014, 10:40 PM
The 2005 Texans were 2-14 (we've come a long way). The defense was a bottom feeder in most categories. It was eight and a half years ago, a long NFL career, statistically speaking. I'm so impressed. :roast: :D

The good news is I don't know exactly what the Texans have in mind so I wait.

eriadoc
03-20-2014, 10:44 PM
Harvard guy stuck around the NFL for this long. Impressive.

DocBar
03-20-2014, 10:57 PM
Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.

Vance87
03-20-2014, 10:59 PM
Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.

That's because he hasn't done anything awful to the team yet.

Dutchrudder
03-20-2014, 11:01 PM
O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:

My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 11:09 PM
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.

That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.

thunderkyss
03-20-2014, 11:16 PM
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.

I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 11:19 PM
I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.

I'll bet OB beat Rick Smith with a My Little Pony while chewing his asz out the second time.

But my other crystal ball says pumpkins.

Lucky
03-20-2014, 11:24 PM
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million.
I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2014, 11:28 PM
That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.

I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 11:38 PM
I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.

Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.

CretorFrigg
03-20-2014, 11:50 PM
Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.

I may be biased, but Ryan Fitzpatrick was never given the opportunity to really shine. He's always played for mediocre teams. Fitzpatrick may not be a gunslinger, but he's someone who can start for an NFL team and still win. I wasn't convinced of that when I saw Case. With Case, I saw a QB who couldn't read the blitz and as a result took unnecessary sacks.

Fitzpatrick can get you a win if you don't need him to throw 40+ passes a game. He's a smart player, can make some plays with his legs and avoid unnecessary sacks. I don't think it's a bad signing. At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place. Fitzpatrick is obviously not a long-term solution, but he's a decent starting QB so we can use the draft to fill other needs on the team.

Dutchrudder
03-20-2014, 11:56 PM
I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.

Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

David Garrard Jets $1,000,000
Rex Grossman Redskins $960,000
Jon Kitna Cowboys $940,000
Dan Orlovsky Buccaneers $905,000
Seneca Wallace Packers $840,000
Luke McCown Saints $840,000
Jimmy Clausen Panthers $807,500
Matt Flynn Packers $715,000
Brady Quinn Rams $715,000
Colt McCoy 49ers $702,500
Rusty Smith Titans $630,000
Joe Webb Vikings $508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.

infantrycak
03-20-2014, 11:57 PM
At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place.

He is an OK placeholder. If the prices were equal and fan opinion is disregarded I think it is debatable he is better than Schaub as is - both high end backups who can start a few games if needed. If Schaub regained even first three quarters of 2012 performance it isn't close.

ObsiWan
03-21-2014, 01:13 AM
That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?
'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:

in related news Andre Johnson and Arian Foster have filed papers to change their names to O'Johnson and FitzFoster
:D

Lucky
03-21-2014, 01:18 AM
Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz.
Other than Grossman and Flynn, none of those guys will be in the league next year. If "our purposes" are to remain the worst team in the league, OK. Otherwise, I think Fitz was the right way to go. I would have preferred spending a little more on Cassell, but it's not that big of a deal.

Lucky
03-21-2014, 01:24 AM
'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:
That's racist!!!

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/notre-dame-fighting-irish-logo.jpg

Hottoddie
03-21-2014, 02:00 AM
Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

David Garrard Jets $1,000,000
Rex Grossman Redskins $960,000
Jon Kitna Cowboys $940,000
Dan Orlovsky Buccaneers $905,000
Seneca Wallace Packers $840,000
Luke McCown Saints $840,000
Jimmy Clausen Panthers $807,500
Matt Flynn Packers $715,000
Brady Quinn Rams $715,000
Colt McCoy 49ers $702,500
Rusty Smith Titans $630,000
Joe Webb Vikings $508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.

For all those complaining about Fitzpatrick, has it occurred to any of you that maybe OB sees something in him that he feels he can coach up? You don't give out $7 million contracts with $4 million guaranteed to someone that's going to just sit on the bench.

ObsiWan
03-21-2014, 02:27 AM
That's racist!!!

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/notre-dame-fighting-irish-logo.jpg
Hey, if you can't beat 'em....

be honest now...
what do you think of Obsi O'Wan?
or maybe ObsiWalsh...
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQv29trV98-HP4KP7X126gm9oJfZ90SXooN8msLnA3Y8ITStWthSw
work with me here...

datchapin
03-21-2014, 02:52 AM
Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

David Garrard Jets $1,000,000
Rex Grossman Redskins $960,000
Jon Kitna Cowboys $940,000
Dan Orlovsky Buccaneers $905,000
Seneca Wallace Packers $840,000
Luke McCown Saints $840,000
Jimmy Clausen Panthers $807,500
Matt Flynn Packers $715,000
Brady Quinn Rams $715,000
Colt McCoy 49ers $702,500
Rusty Smith Titans $630,000
Joe Webb Vikings $508,129

Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.

Maybe my math is trash, but if it's a two year deal with 4 mil. guaranteed that would mean he's getting 2 mil. a yr. how does those QB's salaries work to 25% less than what Fitz will get? If he manages to get the 3.75 with all the bonuses wouldn't that mean he exceeded expectations?

On the list you posted we've already had Grossman and Orlovsky on the Texans so how would they be fine for our purposes? BoB saw something he liked in Fitz otherwise he wouldn't have interviewed him.

It's salary cap football, only the money that counts against the cap counts. If he counts 3.35 mil. against the cap in 2014 I imagine his 2015 cap impact would be much lower.

I can live with this signing.

datchapin
03-21-2014, 02:54 AM
Where is the assumption that we have no leverage with Matt come from. Don't we benefit from waiting until June 1st to cut Matt? If another team wants him before the draft they will have to trade for him. Cutting him before then would not make any money sense.

bigbrewster2000
03-21-2014, 03:01 AM
Where is the assumption that we have no leverage with Matt come from. Don't we benefit from waiting until June 1st to cut Matt? If another team wants him before the draft they will have to trade for him. Cutting him before then would not make any money sense.

It depends on if the Texans want to reduce the cap hit this year and spread it out over next year as well. It actually makes more sense to me for them to take their lumps now and have no hit in 2015 when they will be ponying up all that money for JJ

EVOLVIST
03-21-2014, 03:19 AM
That's racist!!!

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/notre-dame-fighting-irish-logo.jpg

Doesn't count as racism when it's one sheep shagger to another. ;)

Hervoyel
03-21-2014, 05:54 AM
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

Why is there no smiley for "I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little?"

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 06:22 AM
Other than Grossman and Flynn, none of those guys will be in the league next year. If "our purposes" are to remain the worst team in the league, OK. Otherwise, I think Fitz was the right way to go. I would have preferred spending a little more on Cassell, but it's not that big of a deal.

If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?

Hervoyel
03-21-2014, 06:27 AM
If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?

See, I was all bummed out but that's just because I didn't see the bright side. Thanks for opening my eyes TK! When you put it that way it's actually.... no, wait it's just as bad. Maybe worse. Crap.

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 06:28 AM
Maybe my math is trash, but if it's a two year deal with 4 mil. guaranteed that would mean he's getting 2 mil. a yr. how does those QB's salaries work to 25% less than what Fitz will get? If he manages to get the 3.75 with all the bonuses wouldn't that mean he exceeded expectations?


He might have gotten a $2M signing bonus with a $2M salary for 2014, giving him a $3M cap hit for 2014. There will be $1M dead money on next season & he'll probably stand to make $3M in salary, roster bonus, & incentives for a $4M cap hit, if he's on the team.

Notice the word "might" kind of like the words "I bet" means I'm looking in my pumpkin crystal ball, so don't get your panties in a wad... it's just speculation, not like I slapped yer mama or nothing.

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 06:41 AM
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.

That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.

I am not taking for granted, until OB has a chance to personally work with all the QBs in the preseason, that Fitzpatrick is going to end up being our starting QB at any time. We'll see.

ObsiWan
03-21-2014, 07:14 AM
I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer
If that's all it took for Cassel to be insulted then he didn't want to come here anyway.
That's why they call it negotiations. I make an offer that's as LITTLE as I think I can get away with; you counter with as MUCH as you can get me to write a check for. Then we go from there.
If Cassel wanted to be under O'Brien again and if O'Brien wanted Cassel here seriously enough then the parties would have negotiated to some middle ground.
Didn't happen.

ObsiWan
03-21-2014, 07:16 AM
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

You may be closer to the truth than any of us would like to admit.

IDEXAN
03-21-2014, 07:20 AM
If we didn't sign Fitz to a two year deal, he'd be right with those guys next season. & if Dutchrudder would have raised the bar a bit in his chart, Fitzpatrick would have been on the list at $1.5M...... if the first year is for just 50% of the total value (which I'm sure it's not), we just gave him a 130% raise for what?

To make sure we're not stuck with..... Vick?
Or if we hadn't singed Fitz, seeking employment he would have applied for and been hired as the first former NFL football player who to be the president of Harvard university. We will never know if either one would have become a reality because he became employed by the Texans.

LikeMike
03-21-2014, 07:21 AM
Of course he signed to be the starter at the beginning of the season - that`s why he got that kinda money. We probably will draft a QB, but our plan is probably to let him sit and learn at the beginning.

I am alright with this signing - the money is on the high side, but it looks like we weren`t gonna spend big in FA anyways. I do believe we "want" to have another sucky year with another high draft pick, and then spending big in FA the year after that. It is not what I would`ve done, but I can`t really argue with it either.

Nitrofish
03-21-2014, 07:56 AM
O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year :smiliepalm:

Here are some of what fans who have seen him play are saying:

Michael Joseph Stachitus ∑ Top Commenter ∑ Salt Lake City, Utah

As a Bills fan, I can tell you that Fitzpatrick is a pretty good game manager. Here are the problems with him (and there are a lot): He can't throw the deep ball to save his life, he is not terribly accurate either, and he is about as far as a clutch QB you can get. If the game is on the line, you can almost guarantee Fitzpatrick will screw it up. If it isn't a critical situation, though, he usually makes decent decisions and gets the ball out quickly and efficiently. He is a smart guy with no arm talent. He also does poorly under pressure (as in blitz situations), despite his quick release.

Yea, great signing. He is far and away better than what we already have. /sarcasm

Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.

Ok, you're crazy dude.

'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...
:kitten:

in related news Andre Johnson and Arian Foster have filed papers to change their names to O'Johnson and FitzFoster
:D

lol

El Tejano
03-21-2014, 08:08 AM
Of course he signed to be the starter at the beginning of the season - that`s why he got that kinda money. We probably will draft a QB, but our plan is probably to let him sit and learn at the beginning.

I am alright with this signing - the money is on the high side, but it looks like we weren`t gonna spend big in FA anyways. I do believe we "want" to have another sucky year with another high draft pick, and then spending big in FA the year after that. It is not what I would`ve done, but I can`t really argue with it either.

I like the signing. I don't think it is a bad idea to let Fitz start. History has shown that giving the rookie his time is more beneficial in the long run. We've seen Chandler/McNair, Favre/Rodgers, Flutie/Brees.
Besides, Fitzpatrick's resume has shown that he eventually starts anyhow and is not content with sitting the bench. This means even if he doesn't start, he's going to push the hell out of the starter.

On top of that, it really allows the Texans an opportunity to do a lot with that first pick. Say you go with Clowney, now you can get a 2nd round QB and not feel you have to start him right away. Or you can still get that #1 QB and still not feel you have to start him right away.

Our team didn't get worse with this signing. They got better. Despite how marginally better it may be.

TexanBacker93
03-21-2014, 08:10 AM
I get the sense that Rick Smith could have found a way to sign away Andrew Luck for $1.45 and a toasted bagel and there would be people here upset about it. I'd rather have Fitz at what we signed him for than Keenum. He's at least won a game at Reliant in his career. He's a pocket passer that can learn the offense and work with rookie signal caller. You really want Keenum showing someone how to handle a pass rush?

Carr Bombed
03-21-2014, 08:17 AM
Here are some of what fans who have seen him play are saying:



Yea, great signing. He is far and away better than what we already have. /sarcasm



Ok, you're crazy dude.



lol

Get over it already.. The shtick is getting old.

Blake
03-21-2014, 08:18 AM
I get the sense that Rick Smith could have found a way to sign away Andrew Luck for $1.45 and a toasted bagel and there would be people here upset about it. I'd rather have Fitz at what we signed him for than Keenum. He's at least won a game at Reliant in his career. He's a pocket passer that can learn the offense and work with rookie signal caller. You really want Keenum showing someone how to handle a pass rush?

Well, how old is the toasted bagel? We might need it.

Someone on 790 yesterday said that the Texans org is like a shell game. Nobody truly knows who makes what decisions. But I will make it simple for everyone. Gary Kubiak wasn't lying. Its on him.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think this team has and had talent on it. Were those Gary, or Rick decisions? Who knows. But I do know that the coach is responsible for the on field product, and it was flaming garbage last season.

I don't understand why people criticize Rick so much when they have no idea what he is responsible for. Cap mismanagement? We have so many stars on this team that its impossible to keep them all and stay under the cap. Some might say we were "all in" to win a superbowl the past couple of years. And you are going to fault Rick for trying to use all available resources? Some people just cant be pleased.

infantrycak
03-21-2014, 08:33 AM
I am not taking for granted, until OB has a chance to personally work with all the QBs in the preseason, that Fitzpatrick is going to end up being our starting QB at any time. We'll see.

That makes it worse.

kingtexan
03-21-2014, 08:53 AM
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 09:06 AM
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0


At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.

Thorn
03-21-2014, 09:09 AM
At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.

This is pretty much where I'm at with this.

BullNation4Life
03-21-2014, 09:16 AM
Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.

He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup. I don't know if they expect Bortles to start right away or if they are gonna use RF for part of the season then give the keys to Bortles mid way...

Either way, this is becoming a very interesting off season...

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 09:41 AM
He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup....

With Schaub we would have committed $14.5M towards the 2014 cap for the "veteran QB" position. At least $7M for 2015.

With Fitzpatrick we have $13.35M (or something like that) committed towards the "veteran QB" position..... $4.6M for 2015 at most.


Net savings about $3.5M

edwardc5637
03-21-2014, 09:58 AM
Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.

DX-TEX
03-21-2014, 10:04 AM
Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.

For half the money and to get rid of the stink from 2013


THINK

Allstar
03-21-2014, 10:09 AM
Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.
He wore out his welcome with the masses. The fan backlash to seeing #8 trotting out on opening day would have been astronomical. Replacing him was a must.

BigBull17
03-21-2014, 10:13 AM
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.

He's won more than zero games. He didn't have two decent halves of football followed by complete and utter incompetence. Keenum is garbage that wouldn't have had a shred of attention is he had played at Colorado School of Mines or Boulder Academy for the Hearing Impaired. He's a fringe player and you have to move on. Sign a more proven vet, draft a guy in rounds 2 or 3, and move on.

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2014, 10:36 AM
I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

Why is there no smiley for "I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little?"

This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.

infantrycak
03-21-2014, 10:43 AM
This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.

That's all I think this means - they don't want to have to start their choice for future starter immediately.

powda
03-21-2014, 10:50 AM
This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3.

Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.

amazing80
03-21-2014, 10:55 AM
Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.

Agreed. Fitz may start a few games, but in reality it has no bearing on what we do. BOB seems to be sold on who he wants at 1.1. Fitz may groom a guy picked later and get a few starts, but whoever we eventually draft, BOB will be all over them to get ready. This qb will be tied to BOBs legacy.

Allstar
03-21-2014, 10:57 AM
Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.

Exactly. This move doesn't mean anything when it comes to our draft. You always want to have a vet, even if you're going with a QB at 1.1.

Carson Palmer had John Kitna. Eli had Kurt Warner. Leinart had Kurt Warner. Luck had Hasselbeck.

JB
03-21-2014, 11:02 AM
BOB seems to be sold on who he wants at 1.1.


Can you explain why you think this is true? I haven't seen anything so far to say he is locked in on one player

amazing80
03-21-2014, 11:09 AM
Can you explain why you think this is true? I haven't seen anything so far to say he is locked in on one player

He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO

houstonspartan
03-21-2014, 11:42 AM
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO


Yep. I think Bill knows who he wants and is ready to roll. Whether everyone else knows who they want is another issue, but, Bill has made his decision.


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The Pencil Neck
03-21-2014, 12:16 PM
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO

"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.

_King_
03-21-2014, 12:19 PM
Yeah...I think we are taking Bortles too.

kingtexan
03-21-2014, 12:28 PM
"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.

So a guy scoring a 10 out of 10 from a HOF former QB would get a "this guy sucks" from our new HC? Hope not. Otherwise we made a bad hire. I think it is safe to say BoB likes Bortles. He has a history with BB's college coach and unless O'Leary told him BB was the real deal then BoB wouldn't have even been at the pro-day.

ziggy29
03-21-2014, 12:33 PM
"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.

"They are who we thought they are."

Thorn
03-21-2014, 12:40 PM
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO

Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.

b0ng
03-21-2014, 12:44 PM
Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.

The Texans had signed Williams before the draft had happened, and I believe the Dolphins had agreed to terms with Long before he went #1 overall.

amazing80
03-21-2014, 12:48 PM
Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.

Don't quote me, but I THOUGHT that the first pick could literally sign anytime since we own the pick, we could make it now (as in signing who we want). I could def. be wrong, but I thought this was the case. I can't seem to find anything about this though.

Thorn
03-21-2014, 12:52 PM
Don't quote me, but I THOUGHT that the first pick could literally sign anytime since we own the pick, we could make it now (as in signing who we want). I could def. be wrong, but I thought this was the case. I can't seem to find anything about this though.

Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOL

amazing80
03-21-2014, 12:53 PM
Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOL

Yea i hear that lol. I will keep searching as well. Im almost positive they can sign early, just not sure how early.

Thorn
03-21-2014, 12:55 PM
Yea i hear that lol. I will keep searching as well. Im almost positive they can sign early, just not sure how early.

Found it. And the NFL doesn't specifically say. They just say the draft starts on a Thursday.

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/

EDIT: THat is NOT the NFL site. oops. but it looks good.

b0ng
03-21-2014, 12:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft

Having signed a contract with the Houston Texans on the evening before the draft, Mario Williams, a defensive end from North Carolina State, became the draft’s first pick.[1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003 <---- footnote 1 in quoted section

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807e7335&template=with-video&confirm=true

DAVIE, Fla. -- Jake Long seemed at ease in his new role as the NFL's No. 1 draft pick, leaning into a news conference microphone to talk about his mean streak while his mother sat in the corner, nodding as she smiled.

The Miami Dolphins were grinning Tuesday, too. They signed the former Michigan left tackle to a five-year contract with $30 million guaranteed, and they'll select him with the top pick in the 2008 NFL Draft on Saturday. NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the contract is valued at $57.5 million.

The deal allows the Dolphins and Long to avoid a possible holdout.

ya'lls google-fu is terrible

amazing80
03-21-2014, 01:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003 <---- footnote 1 in quoted section

I can't believe there is nothing out there about how soon a player and team can work out a deal. Can Smith sign the first pick now? i don't see why not, but can't find a rule on it.

Showtime100
03-21-2014, 01:01 PM
I'm guessing Goodell issued a league-wide memo demanding teams hold off on the signing until after the first day of the draft. After all, NFL Draft Day needs to generate as much commercial revenue as possible. Billions and billions of tax-free dollars don't just grow on trees, you know. :bigboss:

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 01:13 PM
I'm guessing Goodell issued a league-wide memo demanding teams hold off on the signing until after the first day of the draft. After all, NFL Draft Day needs to generate as much commercial revenue as possible. Billions and billions of tax-free dollars don't just grow on trees, you know. :bigboss:

From PFT:

NFL reminds teams not to leak picks before podium announcement

Posted by Josh Alper on April 24, 2012, 2:13 PM EDT


The NFL really wants to keep the suspense alive during the draft this season.

On the heels of the announcement that there will no longer be camera shots of players on the phone with teams in the green room just before they are picked and hints that analysts on the networks covering the event will not report picks before they are announced comes word that the league is reminding teams to keep the wraps on things. Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that the league recently reminded teams to withhold announcements of their picks via any medium before they are officially made on the stage at Radio City Music Hall.

The Colts obviously didnít get the memo.

Itís become a trend in recent years for teams to leak their picks out on Twitter before they get officially announced on telecasts. The league obviously wants to keep people watching the draft as opposed to simply following it via other modes of communication. Last week, Rich Eisen of the NFL Network said that the teams have to be part of that in addition to the networks.

Showtime100
03-21-2014, 01:19 PM
In the words and expression of Johnny Carson....I did not know that. It just seemed like the NFL to do such a thing. I guess I can't really blame them either. They are a business.

Hardcore Texan
03-21-2014, 01:24 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Patrick Fitzryan.

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 01:27 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed. But when I first read the breaking news official HT site article announcing the Fitzpatrick signing, I was not familiar with whom we signed, as they referred to Ryan Fitzgerald. They have obviously decided not to sign Fitzgerald as they have since changed the "Fitzgerald" to "Fitzpatrick.":kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 01:34 PM
On 790 this AM, ND Kalu mentioned that he watched quite a bit of film on Fitzpatrick........and for a QB with a perfect 50 Wonderlic, and Fitzpatrick's high interception rate (which he attributed a very high percentage of those to poor decision-making), it puts into question the correlation between the Wonderlic score and decision making expected by a QB.:spin:

ObsiWan
03-21-2014, 02:33 PM
From PFT:Posted by Josh Alper on April 24, 2012, 2:13 PM EDT

The NFL really wants to keep the suspense alive during the draft this season.

On the heels of the announcement that there will no longer be camera shots of players on the phone with teams in the green room just before they are picked and hints that analysts on the networks covering the event will not report picks before they are announced comes word that the league is reminding teams to keep the wraps on things. Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that the league recently reminded teams to withhold announcements of their picks via any medium before they are officially made on the stage at Radio City Music Hall.
This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
:bat: :foottap:

Number19
03-21-2014, 03:02 PM
Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOLAs soon as a player is signed, I assume he can be given a playbook and have access to team facilities, including the film room. Drills and such is limited by the CBA. April 15 is the first day of ota's for the Texans.

(edit) I may have assumed wrong. According to B0ng, he still would have to be "officially" drafted. So the contract may not become "effective" until the draft.

Showtime100
03-21-2014, 03:05 PM
This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
:bat: :foottap:

Yeah, I don't watch the NFL draft...period. I let a few million of my closest friends watch and sooner or later one of them is bound to tell me what happened.

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 04:02 PM
Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 04:36 PM
Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?

There is none, except that Crennel's defense probably faced Fitzpatrick at one time.

Nitrofish
03-21-2014, 04:53 PM
In the words and expression of Johnny Carson....I did not know that. It just seemed like the NFL to do such a thing. I guess I can't really blame them either. They are a business.

They are not hurting for money, but they did sell commercial time to sponsors who are expecting eyeballs on the tube during the draft, so they almost have to insist on that, or that income stream will dry up quick.

Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?

Yeah, it was down in the Big Easy at a place called O'Brien's off of Bourbon Street where they first met. Ryan was there to drown his sorrows for losing his starting job in Buffalo.

Bill was there just trying to get away from his wife, who was nagging at him for working too much.

It's pure fate that these two men were brought together over a few drinks in the French Quarter. The Universe has spoken, and nobody can stand in the way of this Juggernaut led by O'Brien & Fitzpatrick!

Jackie Chiles
03-21-2014, 05:07 PM
Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?

Not sure on O'Brien but Fitzpatrick and JJ Watt both had cameos on The League.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLL5AcliKg

IDEXAN
03-21-2014, 05:18 PM
Listening to McClain on 610 radio right now, so he says the fact that the Texans signed Ryan Fitzpatrick is just assurance they will draft a QB in the first round this year. I have no idea where McClain comes up his analysis for such things because one could easily draw the conclusion that they will be less likely to draft a QB in the first round with this FA pickup ? In the meantime McClain is now busy trying to explain how he could be mistaken that anybody would make a trade for Matt Schaub ?

Lucky
03-21-2014, 05:34 PM
Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?
O'Brien saw Fitzpatrick twice a year when the Pats played the Bills in the AFC East. I'm sure O'Brien knows what he's getting.

Hervoyel
03-21-2014, 08:46 PM
Has Fitzpatrick ever played for a team that wouldn't be described as "****"? Ever? I'm not saying the Texans after a 2-14 season aren't right there in the same company but trying to look objectively at Fitzpatrick's career all I see is a guy who didn't win in situations where nobody else did either.

Did Fitz bring the suck or was he just lucky enough to get to lead it at times?

If he ends up starting for us how much can his quality of play be mitigated? Can we run Arian Foster into the ground again?

thunderkyss
03-21-2014, 08:56 PM
Has Fitzpatrick ever played for a team that wouldn't be described as "****"? Ever? I'm not saying the Texans after a 2-14 season aren't right there in the same company but trying to look objectively at Fitzpatrick's career all I see is a guy who didn't win in situations where nobody else did either.

Did Fitz bring the suck or was he just lucky enough to get to lead it at times?

If he ends up starting for us how much can his quality of play be mitigated? Can we run Arian Foster into the ground again?

Fitzpatrick was a 7th round draft pick back in 2005. He's been in the league going on 10 seasons & has played quite a bit of football.


Pretty amazing if you think about it.

stingray
03-21-2014, 09:36 PM
I have seen Fitzpatrick play quite a bit. The guy is a turnover machine. He is a gunslinger with a weak arm.

powda
03-21-2014, 09:45 PM
Schaub trade is dead now.

I was wrong. Had we just got a 7 I wouldn't be willing to concede but a 6 (an early 6) and I must say im thrilled. What a coup.

Lucky
03-21-2014, 10:06 PM
One thing about Fitzpatrick that surprises me is his mobility. He ran for 225 yards last year, 20.5 yds/game. Fitz's longest run was 26 yards. In contrast, Schaub had 24 yards rushing the entire year.

Thorn
03-21-2014, 10:19 PM
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.

Corrosion
03-21-2014, 10:28 PM
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.

Like you , I think he's nothing more than a veteran caretaker of the position ... he may start the season as the starter , but its highly unlikely he ends it as the starter ....

CloakNNNdagger
03-21-2014, 10:28 PM
Adam Caplan ✔ @caplannfl

New #Texans QB Ryan Fitzpatrick will earn $4 M in year one of his two-year deal. And guarantees are in year one. None in year two.11:56 AM - 21 Mar 2014
...

powda
03-21-2014, 10:29 PM
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.

Fitz is bubble gum and duct tape meant to keep it all afloat just a bit longer. Problem is, who else is available worth a damn? Fitz is about as good as we could do considering whats available. In BOB we trust. Looks like bortles by games 6 or 7 to me.

MEGA SWATT
03-22-2014, 12:25 AM
Pick six, v2:kubepalm::wadepalm:

Thorn
03-22-2014, 02:49 AM
Fitz is bubble gum and duct tape meant to keep it all afloat just a bit longer. Problem is, who else is available worth a damn? Fitz is about as good as we could do considering whats available. In BOB we trust. Looks like bortles by games 6 or 7 to me.

If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.

Corrosion
03-22-2014, 04:42 AM
If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.

I really think that's debatable. Bortles may be the most conventional of the group but I think Manziel has the highest upside and the highest bust potential. He's a game changer in ways that Bortles and Bridgewater cant compare .... Total boom or bust pick. Fran Tarkington or .... Tim Tebow.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 07:04 AM
I have seen Fitzpatrick play quite a bit. The guy is a turnover machine. He is a gunslinger with a weak arm.

Two words which should never be used together


:toropalm:

...Adam Caplan ✔ @caplannfl

New #Texans QB Ryan Fitzpatrick will earn $4 M in year one of his two-year deal. And guarantees are in year one. None in year two.11:56 AM - 21 Mar 2014

Don't know if it means anything, but Vick got 1 year $5M from the Jets.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 07:08 AM
I really think that's debatable. Bortles may be the most conventional of the group but I think Manziel has the highest upside and the highest bust potential. He's a game changer in ways that Bortles and Bridgewater cant compare .... Total boom or bust pick. Fran Tarkington or .... Tim Tebow.

Agreed. He's the one with the most obvious "franchise" potential. Most definitely not a sure thing & one heck of a gamble...


I mean next to McCarron.

ObsiWan
03-22-2014, 08:03 AM
If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.
Speaking of T.J., I wonder if O'Brien will actually hold onto him thru camp and give him a real shot to beat out the other three guys (I figure we'll draft a QB somewhere in this draft) or is he being currently shopped around.
Don't laugh. I don't remember anybody predicting Schaub netting us an early sixth round pick before the Raiders rumors started.

Thorn
03-22-2014, 08:20 AM
Speaking of T.J., I wonder if O'Brien will actually hold onto him thru camp and give him a real shot to beat out the other three guys (I figure we'll draft a QB somewhere in this draft) or is he being currently shopped around.
Don't laugh. I don't remember anybody predicting Schaub netting us an early sixth round pick before the Raiders rumors started.

I'd take the last pick in the draft for Yates. Better than just letting him go. He might fetch another bench warmer in a trade, which would be OK if the trade netted us someone who actually makes the team.

Thorn
03-22-2014, 08:23 AM
I really think that's debatable. Bortles may be the most conventional of the group but I think Manziel has the highest upside and the highest bust potential. He's a game changer in ways that Bortles and Bridgewater cant compare .... Total boom or bust pick. Fran Tarkington or .... Tim Tebow.

I was going with Bortles because of his size. He's tall and built like Ben Rathzesburgers. I wouldn't argue with Manziel though. At least Keenum would have someone to feel tall around. LOL

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 08:32 AM
Speaking of T.J., I wonder if O'Brien will actually hold onto him thru camp and give him a real shot to beat out the other three guys (I figure we'll draft a QB somewhere in this draft) or is he being currently shopped around.

He needs to process information quickly and he needs to be accurate. Tough to know on the first point because Gary removed so much decision making from his QBs. Haven't heard much about TJ this offseason -- could see Kubiak or Baby Shanny wanting him to help install their schemes. Maybe low level player exchange? Dunno.

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 09:05 AM
Fitzpatrick (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Ryan-Fitzpatrick-shares-about-Texans-offense/c697912a-10d6-4fe7-945b-da42f2b0c823)
"We got into some of the X's and O's a little bit, just talking about the basics of the system and what they ask of their quarterback and all that stuff," Fitzpatrick said in a 1-on-1 interview on Friday. "For me, it was a very exciting thing to see the demands that they put on a quarterback and all the different ways that they attack defenses and their scheme and what they're trying to do."


"I walked away so impressed by his knowledge and passion of the game," Fitzpatrick said. "That's the thing that got me most excited."

"If there's one thing that I'm good at, it's picking up a new system," Fitzpatrick said. "But I'm looking forward to that: the challenge of learning it."

"I'm really excited about fully jumping into this stuff and really learning it together as an offensive unit and going from there," Fitzpatrick said. "I really enjoy the x's and o's part of the game, and all the preparation that goes into a game."

According to Fitzpatrick, the quarterback in O'Brien's system must be able to "process information quickly", and the Harvard grad will be called upon to do that, whether he's a starter this season or a backup. Offseason workouts begin on April 7, and OTA's will start in the middle of May.

Playoffs
03-22-2014, 09:37 AM
What do Schaub and Fitzpatrick mean for Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgewater? (http://www.footballperspective.com/what-do-schaub-and-fitzpatrick-mean-for-bortles-manziel-and-bridgewater/)
I thought it would be interesting to review the last 20 years of NFL history and identify situations where a team added a veteran quarterback and then still selected a passer in the first round of the draft. There werenít quite as many examples as I originally expected, although part of the explanation is that there simply arenít that many quarterbacks drafted in the first round, period.

...But letís look at some of the examples more similar to Schaub-to-Oakland or Fitzpatrick-to-Houston:

BullNation4Life
03-22-2014, 09:45 AM
Well, one good thing comes from this signing...

At least Ryan Fitzpartick is no Matt Schaub....:smiliedance:








wait...........................what?:confused:

YeaLikeRightNow
03-22-2014, 11:47 AM
I believe Fitzpatrick is going to be designated as a solid backup quarterback for the Texans. I think the Texans will either go for Blake Bortles in the draft, or perhaps O'Brian will attempt a deal with the Patriots in getting Mallet on board with the team. I can see Mallet as the starter and "Fitzperfec" as his backup.

What are your thoughts on this?

michaelm
03-22-2014, 12:28 PM
Agreed. He's the one with the most obvious "franchise" potential. Most definitely not a sure thing & one heck of a gamble...





I mean next to McCarron.


TK, I think you've posted your opinion of McCarton just about the correct amount.
If he busts, your posts will fade into the internet ether and be forgotten, but if he turns out good, you've got quite a few "I told you so" posts to point to. That's basically what you're looking for, right?

:)

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 01:09 PM
TK, I think you've posted your opinion of McCarton just about the correct amount.
If he busts, your posts will fade into the internet ether and be forgotten, but if he turns out good, you've got quite a few "I told you so" posts to point to. That's basically what you're looking for, right?

:)

Well.... being that I've rarely came back with an "I told you so" I don't think that's the point.

The Pencil Neck
03-22-2014, 02:15 PM
Well.... being that I've rarely came back with an "I told you so" I don't think that's the point.

I told him so but he wouldn't listen.

:kitten:

Nitrofish
03-22-2014, 03:40 PM
Well, one good thing comes from this signing...

At least Ryan Fitzpartick is no Matt Schaub....:smiliedance:



wait...........................what?:confused:

No.. Fitzpatrick is not even a Chinese knock off of Matt Schaub. No question in my mind that the Texans got better when Matt Schaub was traded and Ryan Fitzpatrick was signed. I mean who in their right mind couldn't see that?

The O'Brien/Fitzpatrick running of the bulls is about to run roughshod over the rest of the league!

Corrosion
03-22-2014, 05:25 PM
No.. Fitzpatrick is not even a Chinese knock off of Matt Schaub. No question in my mind that the Texans got better when Matt Schaub was traded and Ryan Fitzpatrick was signed. I mean who in their right mind couldn't see that?

The O'Brien/Fitzpatrick running of the bulls is about to run roughshod over the rest of the league!

I think Schaub when healthy is clearly the better QB .... thing is , he hasn't been healthy for quite a while & his injuries get worse with use , not better. He was far from their only problem last season , they have a lot of work to do in rebuilding this roster. They do have a good foundation to build from tho , something other teams with similar records don't have as far as star power goes.


Fitzpatrick is nothing more than a caretaker of the position until the new regime's QB , who they will draft in rounds 1-3 is ready to take over the reins.



Did they get better ? Probably not .... but they didn't get any worse and shed themselves of the contract , saved $3.9m and change in the process.


I wish Schaub the best & hope he has another probowl season , don't even care if he beats the Texans as their record this coming season is of little consequence. Get your rookie head coach & rookie QB some on the job training and we'll see you in the 2015 playoffs.

TheMatrix31
03-22-2014, 07:28 PM
I wish Schaub the best & hope he has another probowl season , don't even care if he beats the Texans as their record this coming season is of little consequence. Get your rookie head coach & rookie QB some on the job training and we'll see you in the 2015 playoffs.

So you think 2011 and 2012 were the fluke years and that we were closer to 2013 the whole time?

Oh, ok.

Corrosion
03-22-2014, 07:50 PM
So you think 2011 and 2012 were the fluke years and that we were closer to 2013 the whole time?

Oh, ok.

Not at all , I think Schaub was pretty damn good in those seasons & that the injuries added up and took their toll on his game , it was evident even late in the season when they struggled down the stretch after starting 11-1.

Schaub was never very physically gifted but had just enough ability to make just enough plays .... the injuries took just enough physical ability away that what were positive plays are now negative or net zero.

A healthy Schaub was an above average QB , Schaub after the injuries isn't.

Hope that makes sense .... :thinking:

thunderkyss
03-22-2014, 08:04 PM
Not at all , I think Schaub was pretty damn good in those seasons & that the injuries added up and took their toll on his game , it was evident even late in the season when they struggled down the stretch after starting 11-1.


I understand the logic & it makes sense... except the defense struggled down this same stretch. I don't see how Schaub's reluctance to plant off his injured foot caused the defense be utterly useless in the red zone... either the end of 2012, or all of 2013. Nor how the residual effects of Schaub's injury stopped us from picking up 4th & 1..... yeah, the defense knew we were going to run the ball... they're supposed to. Then in the final 4 games of 2012, how does Schaub's deginerative condition cause Andre & Owen to drop balls they would normally catch, even though he was able to get the ball to their hands?


Schaub's level of play dropped off..... I'm not denying that. But at no time in his time here was he the guy that made everyone else look better. It had always been the other way around, where they (& the system, mostly the system) made him look better. Carried a bit further, that would mean...

MasterCush
03-22-2014, 10:41 PM
What the hell...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO4Z4NHk4Lk

:kubepalm:

:wadepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2014, 10:49 PM
That is some embarrassing stuff. I hope he can keep his mouth shut while he's on the bench.:toropalm:

False Start
03-23-2014, 12:43 AM
I just hope he keeps the beard.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AxajDo7Pvpk/UJvhgPakCTI/AAAAAAAALLQ/gPeMvudNiO4/s320/Ryan-Fitzpatrick.jpg

htownfan32
03-23-2014, 01:05 AM
That is some embarrassing stuff. I hope he can keep his mouth shut while he's on the bench.:toropalm:

Hey, if he's screaming like a little bayotch because we're winning, I'll take it :kitten:

Lucky
03-23-2014, 11:43 AM
The O'Brien/Fitzpatrick running of the bulls is about to run roughshod over the rest of the league!
Wow, already hating on O'Brien before he's coached a single game here.

Why am I not surprised by this?

IDEXAN
03-23-2014, 04:12 PM
I just hope he keeps the beard.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AxajDo7Pvpk/UJvhgPakCTI/AAAAAAAALLQ/gPeMvudNiO4/s320/Ryan-Fitzpatrick.jpg
95 degree temps & 75 degree dew points soon enough will send RF scuring off to find a razor.

Thorn
03-23-2014, 05:30 PM
If we don't draft Manzel, Bridgewater or Bortles that probably means we take we are taking Clowney. If we do that, we are taking a chance on what QBs are left to draft in the 2nd round. We'd get the best of what's left, but would that be good enough to get them ready for the 2nd half of the season? And there's really only one or two after D. Carr that would be worth that first pick in the 2nd round.

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 05:50 PM
Wow, already hating on O'Brien before he's coached a single game here.

Why am I not surprised by this?

Wait, you mean I am not allowed to think the Fitzpatrick signing was a bad move? Fitzpatrick has never played a single game for the Texans either.

I'll tell you what Lucky. Why don't you just jot down for me what I am supposed to think, like, and approve of so I stop making all of these silly mistakes.

I mean what do you expect from someone as thick headed as me?

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 05:58 PM
So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.

Marshall
03-23-2014, 06:11 PM
With Schaub we would have committed $14.5M towards the 2014 cap for the "veteran QB" position. At least $7M for 2015.

With Fitzpatrick we have $13.35M (or something like that) committed towards the "veteran QB" position..... $4.6M for 2015 at most.


Net savings about $3.5M

I have a question that I can't answer. We are obligated for the $10.5M of signing bonus money we gave Schaub and it shows up in our Dead Money for this season.

Why doesn't Fitzpatricks $1.25M signing bonus with the Raiders show up against their cap instead of ours? They signed him. We didn't. The rest I understand.

Since the $4M guarantee equals his $1.25M signing bonus, his $1.75M salary and $1M Roster Bonus, it could mean we are only obligated to him for one season at $2.75M and the details just haven't been explained. This would give us essentially a free option for Fitzpatrick for $3.25M in 2015.

Something is amiss with including the signing bonus as a Texans obligation.

Marshall
03-23-2014, 06:26 PM
This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
:bat: :foottap:

I just want to know why they insist on going to commercial when it's our time to draft every year. If it's such a big deal, hold the draft up until after the commercials.

False Start
03-23-2014, 06:38 PM
If Fitzpatrick can be the QB that owned the Texans in 05 then I'm in.

Marshall
03-23-2014, 06:39 PM
So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.

You do know what a unicorn looks like, don't you?
http://endangeredliving.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/greater_one_horned_rhino_8-6-2012_whytheymatter_hi_203197.jpg

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 06:45 PM
So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.

Isn't that what the Harbaughs did?

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 06:49 PM
Why doesn't Fitzpatricks $1.25M signing bonus with the Raiders show up against their cap instead of ours? They signed him. We didn't. The rest I understand.


When did the Raiders sign Fitzpatrick?

Marshall
03-23-2014, 06:50 PM
When did the Raiders sign Fitzpatrick?
Oops Somebody goofed. Probably me. I'll check the Titans to see if his dead money is there.

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a two year, $7.25 million contract with the Tennessee Titans on March 20, 2014. $4 million of the contract is fully guaranteed including a $1.25 million signing bonus in 2014.

March 20 according to Over the Cap.

Even Stranger. Titan Cap shows $875,000 in dead money for Fitzpatrick.

infantrycak
03-23-2014, 07:07 PM
Oops Somebody goofed. Probably me. I'll check the Titans to see if his dead money is there.

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a two year, $7.25 million contract with the Tennessee Titans on March 20, 2014. $4 million of the contract is fully guaranteed including a $1.25 million signing bonus in 2014.

March 20 according to Over the Cap.

Even Stranger. Titan Cap shows $875,000 in dead money for Fitzpatrick.

Why do you care what Fitzpatrick's dead money is for TN? He was cut and signed with the Texans as a UFA getting a whole new contract in the process.

ljhog
03-23-2014, 07:16 PM
Good strategy. Already playin' for the #1 pick next year.

Nitrofish
03-23-2014, 07:22 PM
Isn't that what the Harbaughs did?

You make a good point, but while Jim did go 13-3 and won the NFC West in his rookie season (2011). Jim Harbaugh did not go to the Super Bowl his rookie season let alone win it. His 49ers lost in the NFCCG to the Giants.

John Harbaugh guided the Ravens to an 11-5 record his rookie season (2008), earning a wild card berth. But after upset victories over the Dolphins & Titans, the Ravens fell to the Steelers in the AFCCG. (An interesting side note is that John Harbaugh only got the Ravens job after Jason Garrett turned down the offer.)

So while these are excellent examples of what could happen to the 2014 Texans, the only rookie head coach I know who went to the Super Bowl and also won it was George Siefert in 1989, but he took over the reigning 1988 champion 49ers from Bill Walsh, and I'm sorry, but Bill O'Brien is no George Siefert, Ryan Fitzpatrick is no Joe Montana, and the 2014 Texans are not 1989 SF 49ers.

Marshall
03-23-2014, 07:37 PM
Why do you care what Fitzpatrick's dead money is for TN? He was cut and signed with the Texans as a UFA getting a whole new contract in the process.
I'm still catching up with what happened while I was in the hospital. I saw nothing of the Titans cut or the Texans signing as a UFA. That's really a lot to miss with a signing two days ago.

I'm sorry if I'm not up to speed enough for you. And why do you care what I care about. You're suppose to moderate, not dictate the discussion.

I sought help and got...YOU!

thunderkyss
03-23-2014, 07:47 PM
So while these are excellent examples of what could happen to the 2014 Texans, the only rookie head coach I know who went to the Super Bowl and also won it was George Siefert in 1989...



Sorry, didn't know you meant all in one year. I'd be ok with winning the Super Bowl in 2015.

infantrycak
03-23-2014, 07:52 PM
I'm still catching up with what happened while I was in the hospital. I saw nothing of the Titans cut or the Texans signing as a UFA. That's really a lot to miss with a signing two days ago.

I'm sorry if I'm not up to speed enough for you. And why do you care what I care about. You're suppose to moderate, not dictate the discussion.

I sought help and got...YOU!

Simmer down. I asked a question because your line of inquiry looked like you thought a trade was involved and if so filled in the detail of the UFA signing.

Uncle Rico
03-23-2014, 07:53 PM
I wonder if the team is making Fitz pay for his own custom helmet to fit that humongous melon of his.

One thing is sure he wont be underthrowing Andre.

Texan_Bill
03-23-2014, 07:56 PM
Hooshamazillyfitzpatrick!! "Championship!"

Nitrofish
03-24-2014, 07:10 AM
Sorry, didn't know you meant all in one year. I'd be ok with winning the Super Bowl in 2015.

Even then. neither had Rookie QB's or the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick to work with so sorry bro, it's apples and oranges.

thunderkyss
03-24-2014, 07:18 AM
Even then. neither had Rookie QB's or the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick to work with so sorry bro, it's apples and oranges.

The one in SanFrancisco had Alex Smith (before Harbaugh he could have been thought of in the same class as Fitzpatrick), & drafted a QB his first year. That QB became his starter in year two.

The one in Baltimore drafted Flacco when he first got there. Took him to the play offs for 5 years straight... winning the Super Bowl in year 5.

Pete Carol signed Matt Flyn (probably a tier above Fitzpatrick) & drafted Russell Wilson. He named Wilson the starter for week 1 & won the Super Bowl with Wilson in year two.

It's a pipe dream, but in our scenario Fitzpatrick is AlexSmith/Matt Flynn. We'll draft a QB, who will be a rookie. In 2015, he'll be a second year player.

I don't understand how that's an apples & oranges thing.

Nitrofish
03-24-2014, 08:36 AM
The one in SanFrancisco had Alex Smith (before Harbaugh he could have been thought of in the same class as Fitzpatrick), & drafted a QB his first year. That QB became his starter in year two.


Alex Smith was the 1st overall pick in 2005, Fitzpatrick went in the 7th round the same year. Smith would never have been though of in the same class as Fitzpatrick.


The one in Baltimore drafted Flacco when he first got there. Took him to the play offs for 5 years straight... winning the Super Bowl in year 5.


If you are being honest, the Ravens defense took them to the playoff 5 years straight, not Flacco. Flacco and Schaub are twins.


Pete Carol signed Matt Flyn (probably a tier above Fitzpatrick) & drafted Russell Wilson. He named Wilson the starter for week 1 & won the Super Bowl with Wilson in year two.


I would say Flynn and Fitzpatrick are very similar. Fitzpatrick had one big game (Against the Texans) which got him his shot. Flynn had one big game with GB, which gave him his shot. But when the chips were down, and the game was on the line, neither guy was big in the those moments, so they were replaced, and then replaced again.

Wilson was not planned, he was just a fluke, and I am still on the fence when it comes to him anyway. I didn't see anything special from him all season, including the Super Bowl. The only thing I saw when he played the Texans is that if Wade had just maintained the same strategy of maintaining lanes and sugar rushing Russell to keep him in the pocket, the Texans would have won that game. but instead Wade stopped sugar rushing in the 2nd half and left huge lanes for Wilson to run through, and he did exactly that. He ran all over the Texans with defenders backs to him.


It's a pipe dream, but in our scenario Fitzpatrick is AlexSmith/Matt Flynn. We'll draft a QB, who will be a rookie. In 2015, he'll be a second year player.

I don't understand how that's an apples & oranges thing.

In both the Ravens and 49 situations, they were not drained of talent just before the Harbaugh's took over. The teams remained for the most part in tact from their predecessors, and both had solid Defenses to offset the short comings at QB. Look at what John Harbaugh did the year after his team was drained of talent. They did not even make the playoffs even though they still had Flacco and Harbaugh.

I understand your reasons for being optimistic, but while anything is possible, it's also unlikely the Texans will even win 8 games this season, or next. I'm behind the team and hope you are right, but hope does not win football games. I wish I could be more optimistic, but after signing Fitzpatrick, the new regime is not getting off to a great start IMHO.

drs23
03-24-2014, 09:59 AM
95 degree temps & 75 degree dew points soon enough will send RF scuring off to find a razor.

I dunno about that. I've worn my beard, and for many years longer that Fitz's, since the late 70's right here in SE Texas. I've yet to scuri(?)nor have I scurried to find a razor.

Not a big deal, really.

ObsiWan
03-26-2014, 10:55 AM
So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.
No one said that. Most of us think this will be a two-season turnaround... maybe longer. Well, TK doesn't but he's mainly basing that on the fact that we'll play teams that don't have any more talent than we do; maybe less...

rookie head coaches with rookie QBs have taken teams to the playoffs.
- Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez
- Chuck Pagano/Andrew Luck
- Mike Smith/Matt Ryan

and those are just off the top of my head.

Nitrofish
03-26-2014, 05:19 PM
No one said that. Most of us think this will be a two-season turnaround... maybe longer. Well, TK doesn't but he's mainly basing that on the fact that we'll play teams that don't have any more talent than we do; maybe less...

rookie head coaches with rookie QBs have taken teams to the playoffs.
- Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez
- Chuck Pagano/Andrew Luck
- Mike Smith/Matt Ryan

and those are just off the top of my head.

With all due respect bro, I never said it never happened. We can agree that there are a lot more failures than success stories though right? The possibility and the likelihood of said outcome are two very different things.

So the signing of Fitzpatrick and Kendricks as O'Brien' first and only FA signings to date makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about this upcoming season?

michaelm
03-26-2014, 07:13 PM
With all due respect bro, I never said it never happened. We can agree that there are a lot more failures than success stories though right? The possibility and the likelihood of said outcome are two very different things.

So the signing of Fitzpatrick and Kendricks as O'Brien' first and only FA signings to date makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about this upcoming season?


You were so unimpressed with the signing that you forgot about Powe?

drs23
03-26-2014, 07:28 PM
You were so unimpressed with the signing that you forgot about Powe?

Beat me to it. But we still need another big man over center. I, like others, expect that to happen.

ObsiWan
03-26-2014, 08:08 PM
With all due respect bro, I never said it never happened. We can agree that there are a lot more failures than success stories though right? The possibility and the likelihood of said outcome are two very different things.

So the signing of Fitzpatrick and Kendricks as O'Brien' first and only FA signings to date makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about this upcoming season?
Now on one hand, caution says there are too many questions to bet on a worse-to-first turnaround like KC and Indy pulled off.

However, the fact that we're playing a 2-14 weighted schedule says we play mostly other teams that also sucked last year - which is where TK is coming from. Given that no one has film the Texans' version of an O'Brien offense, we could well surprise some folks.

So who knows.

As I said before, I think this will likely be a 2-yr turnaround process.

And I'm not inclined to get too excited or disappointed about this football stuff. It's entertainment. Love to watch it. Love to root for my team But I refuse to let it dictate my disposition.
That's what your in-laws are for.
:texflag:

thunderkyss
03-26-2014, 09:15 PM
However, the fact that we're playing a 2-14 weighted schedule says we play mostly other teams that also sucked last year - which is where TK is coming from.


Because we were the last place team in our division we play the Raiders and the Bills, where Indy will play the Broncos & the Patriots. That's the only thing 2-14 gets us.

We'll play the AFC North & the NFC East, just like every other team in our division.

You're correct, I don't think we'll be very good. I doubt we'll challenge the Colts for the division as they play the same hapless teams we'll play, plus they have two games against us as well.

Nitrofish
03-27-2014, 12:30 AM
You were so unimpressed with the signing that you forgot about Powe?

Well at least he fits what RC has planned for his DL's, but I the signing still not earth shattering.

Now on one hand, caution says there are too many questions to bet on a worse-to-first turnaround like KC and Indy pulled off.

However, the fact that we're playing a 2-14 weighted schedule says we play mostly other teams that also sucked last year - which is where TK is coming from. Given that no one has film the Texans' version of an O'Brien offense, we could well surprise some folks.

So who knows.

As I said before, I think this will likely be a 2-yr turnaround process.

And I'm not inclined to get too excited or disappointed about this football stuff. It's entertainment. Love to watch it. Love to root for my team But I refuse to let it dictate my disposition.
That's what your in-laws are for.
:texflag:

I hear ya, and I guess time will tell, but so true about football, disposition, and in-laws.

:bravo:

CloakNNNdagger
05-03-2014, 11:40 AM
From a 2011 LA TIMES (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/22/sports/la-sp-farmer-nfl-fitzpatrick-20110923)piece. Presents the human side of someone who is only known to most as a middle of the road NFL QB.

Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Buffalo Bills is from Harvard, and that makes him unique. He's the only quarterback from that school to become an NFL starter.

But there's an everyman side to this son of a rocket scientist, and not just because he proposed to his wife at a McDonald's.

"Actually," he said, "it was a McDonald's connected to a gas station."

Fitzpatrick, you see, is a stickler for accuracy. That shows up on Sundays. In two games ó both Buffalo victories ó he has thrown for seven touchdowns with one interception, directing a team that leads the NFL in scoring with 39.5 points per game.

The Bills play host Sunday to New England, a team that has beaten them 15 times in a row.

"We'll be ready for them," Bills tight end Scott Chandler said.

Dismiss Buffalo at your peril. This is not the same team that lost its first eight games last season, finishing 4-12 and securing the third pick in the draft. This is a club gaining confidence by the week, especially in its quarterback, and several of its skill-position players were overlooked by much of the NFL.

Receivers Donald Jones and David Nelson were undrafted, and Steve Johnson went in the seventh round. Running back Fred Jackson wasn't drafted, and Chandler has been cut four times in five years.

"It kind of causes us to play with a chip on our shoulders," Chandler said. "We all have confidence, and we've known our whole careers that we can play. It's just a matter of getting that shot, and a lot of us had to work a long time to get that shot."

None longer than Fitzpatrick, 28, who was drafted by St. Louis in 2005 ó the sixth-to-last player chosen ó and bounced from the Rams to Cincinnati to Buffalo. This is the first season he has been the starter since Week 1, and there's no question the Bills are happy about that decision. "He's smart," Buffalo Coach Chan Gailey said of Fitzpatrick, who scored 48 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test. "He's obviously highly intelligent when it comes to protections and coverages and what defenses are trying to do."

The lore of Fitzpatrick still lingers at Harvard. People there remember his knocking out an opposing linebacker when he should have been stepping out of bounds, scrambling around like the Ivy League's answer to Steve Young, and starting every home game day by walking the field with his parents.

"There were kids who were top athletes who walked around Harvard like they were the show," said Brad Quigley, the school's head football trainer. "Ryan was just a regular kid."

Being the quarterback did have its advantages, though. One year, Fitzpatrick had a prime gig running the motor pool at Harvard's reunions, shuttling high-profile alumni here and there. He jokes that being an NFL quarterback is the second-best job he's ever had.

"Everybody made thousands of dollars on tips," he said. "It was awesome. Guys were driving around Conan O'Brien, people like that. That might have been the coolest job I've ever had, even though it lasted about a week."

Recalled Bob Glatz, executive director of the Harvard Varsity Club: "He was the most popular driver, not because he was Ryan Fitzpatrick, football star, but because he was a good-looking young lad who knew how to treat the alums well."

It took more than smarts and savvy to land the Buffalo job, and although he did a respectable job replacing Trent Edwards in 2010, there was no guarantee he would be this year's starter. The Bills told Fitzpatrick after last season that if they got a chance to draft Auburn's Cam Newton, they would. And if Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus had been off the board by the time the Bills were ready to make the third pick, Buffalo might have taken Missouri quarterback Blaine Gabbert. (Dareus was there, however, and they took him.)

Regardless, Fitzpatrick, who is due a new contract after this season, is trending upward by the week.

More than that, he fits the blue-collar ethos of Buffalo, a place that had grown increasingly wary of glamour-boy quarterbacks from the West Coast. It played big in that town last season when Fitzpatrick, raised in Gilbert, Ariz., grew a lumberjack beard over the course of the season. He was much more Jeremiah Johnson than Rob Johnson.

"He's definitely a very down-to-earth guy," Jones said. "Even when we're in the huddle, he's always joking. He keeps everybody else calm."

Fitzpatrick laughs at himself too. He coined the nickname "The Amish Rifle," drives a pickup truck, and might be the only quarterback who wears his wedding ring when he plays. He's married to Liza Barber, a former soccer star at Harvard, and their engagement story is a classic.

During his rookie season, Fitzpatrick bought a ring with money from a joint bank account he shared with Barber. He hid it in his car, then picked her up for a day of shopping at a St. Louis mall. They stopped by a clothing store, the clerk accidentally double-charged her, and Barber said not to worry because she'd check the account online when she got home.

"So I knew she was going to notice the amount of money that was missing," Fitzpatrick said. "So I was like, 'Oh, man.' I had to figure out from the Gap to my house how I was going to propose to her. Luckily, the ring was in the car.

"We drove by all these fancy places. I asked her if she wanted to grab some dinner and sit by the lake. It was November, and she was like 'Why would I do that? It's freezing outside!' All she wanted was McDonald's. My relationship with my wife, and knowing her, it was just the perfect setting.

"She ordered probably a 10-piece Chicken McNuggets and had sweet-and-sour sauce on her face."

Soon, she had a diamond ring too ó a Happy Meal redefined.