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beerlover
03-16-2014, 01:25 PM
Tampa Bay makes the call Thursday night when Texans are on the clock & offers exchanging Texans #1 overall pick, for their #1 this year 7th overall, 2nd 38th overall plus their own second rounder 2015 (projected middle rounder). First would you do this? Tampa would love to add Clowney to their DL. If Texans don't accept offer expect them to offer same package to St. Louis (if Texans don't take Clowney). I really don't want to or like to include a trade down mock draft but this year seems unique & Texans may wind up selecting highest graded prospect but not biggest need, so in effort to still take bpa while maximizing #1 overall selection there is a good chance Rick Smith would pull the trigger on just such a deal even if the return is not a huge haul as in past years, like what Washington gave up to get RG3. So here is how this unfolds, for you, my comrades in draft arms to decipher, analylize & discuss our options. ty 4 fb

1. Tampa (via Houston) - Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina 6-5 266
2. St Louis - Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn 6-5 332
3. Jacksonville - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville 6-2 214
4. Cleveland - Sammie Watkins, WR, Clemson 6-1 211
5. Oakland - Blake Bortles, QB, UCF 6-5 232
6. Atlanta - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M 6-5 308


7th. Houston - Khalil Mack, LB/DE, Buffalo, 6-3 252
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Texans also have option to still take Manziel as well. Expect Minnesota to select Johnny #8 but if they don't he could fall a ways, in that case Rick Smith would have firepower to trade back up & get him. Khalil is still a bit raw to me but possess very fabric that all great LB seem to flash, natural instincts for the ball that make him virtually unstoppable & disruptive. Trio of JJ Watt a healthy Brian Cushing & Khalil Mack would fix Texans pass rush & return this defense back into legitimate contender material.

33rd overall) - Stephon Tuitt, DE/DT, Notre Dame, 6-5 304

Bookend to JJ Watt, replacing departed via free agency Antonio Smith. Only reason still on board is because they detected a small fracture in his left foot. He had successful surgery & expected a full recovery in 6-8 weeks. He had 7.5 sacks last season after posting 12 as a sophomore in 2012 which would be a nice compliment to Watt. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/draft-diary-notre-dame-de-stephon-tuitt-tracks-path-to-the-nfl-part-ii-031414

38th overall) (via Tampa Bay) - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama, 6-7 322
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Porjects as a RT in the NFL only & some medical concerns hence his stock has slid further than once thought, but he would be a nice fit playing RT in void left by Newton & his poor performances last season. Has ideal size, wingspan to defend even against speed in pass pro plus gives Texans ability to run a more power scheme under O'Brian. Nice tandem next to Brooks to be feared.

3rd. rd.) - DaQuan Jones, NT, Penn State, 6-4 322
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O'Brian knows his character & work ethic. Big body Crennel likes to play NT. Fires off the snap and engages quickly. Is difficult to displace and has a strong upper body. Able to control blocks and locate the ball. Plays with a load in his hands, can engage double teams & presses blockers. Does have a Wilfork like bull rush and collapses the pocket. Is athletic and redirects well for a big man. Flashes disruptive ability and dominates at times, creating production for teammates.

4th. rd.) - Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh, 6-4 228
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Developmental QB with franchise size & arm strength of Bill O'Brian to mold. Remains to be seen at this juncture in the road who will be Texans starting QB. So far no FA QB signing, maybe Texans work out a trade with Oakland where they eat most of Matt Schaub contract in exchange for McGloin instead of waiting to release as a June 1st cut as laid out here - http://torotimes.com/2014/03/15/matt-schaub-matt-mcgloin-qb-thoughts/ regardless Savage in a couple years could be the starting QB for Houston Texans worthy of this selection here/now.

5th. rd.) - DeAnthony Thomas, RB/WR/RETURNER. Oregon, 5-9 174
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Stronger than you think, can run between tackles, excellent hands out of the backfield, offers speed as slot receiver (ran 4.34 pro-day). Electric return skills, nicknamed the black mamba for reason. I feel boards are grossly under rating him, he is a special player now with a chip on his shoulder who has speed to develop on this roster as a deep threat. His RB background also serves him well because he carriers the ball high & tight very secure on returns making it difficult to strip, well you know how that goes.

5th. rd. comp.) - Max Bullough, ILB, Michigan State, 6-3 249

Impressive football intelligence with good bloodlines. Third-team AP All-American. First-team All-Big Ten. Big, tough, experienced, durable, competitive ILB, that Crennel covets, like coach on the field, Bullough is a throwback talent whose instincts and technique will have to compensate for athletic limitations for him to win a starting role next to Cushing.

6th. rd.) - AC Leonard, TE/Athlete, Tennessee State, 6-2 252

Ran a 4.50 @ the combine, 34" vertical & 10' 8" BJ which is a good measure of his explosiveness. He also did 20 reps which isn't but two off what Clowney did, w/33" arms. Developmental pick, O'Brian can develop ala Aaron Hernandez (6-2 245 4.60).

6th. rd. comp.) - Bene Bewikere, CB, San Jose State, 5-11 195

Is a two-time first-team all-conference pick (MWC and WAC) plus height weight ratio, led team with 5 INT's also stout against the run, 5th on team. Looking to add him into nickle mix to replace former 6th rd. pick Brice McCain who just left via free agency. Ran a 4.63 @ combine expect him to improve pro day March 19th should break 4.60 closer to 4.55, not a barn burner but smooth hips & ability to jump out of ERG good value this late in draft.

7th. rd.) - Keith Price, QB, Washington, 6-1 202

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Athletic, good arm strength uses his mobility played in shadow of Russell Wilson in Seattle. Price has a good relationship with Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. They became friends when Wilson reached out to Price shortly after he arrived in Seattle in 2012 as a rookie. Price has called Wilson "a great guy, a great mentor." While Wilson was very good protecting the ball @ Wisconsin Price often tries too hard to fit into tight windows, forcing the ball & throwing deep balls up for grabs. His primary target was TE Seferian-Jenkins especially around the goal line, never impressed with OL in pass pro much better power running game & just handing off to Bishop Sankey who I absolutely love but feel carriers a 2nd rd. grade.

infantrycak
03-16-2014, 01:52 PM
Seems like throwing away a 4th round pick. They are going to do something to address QB OR ride with what they have and pick up a future QB next offseason. Then you double up and do it again in the 7th. There are several folks who seem to want to churn QB picks every year and I think that is a waste. "Developmental" QBs don't develop if you turn the over constantly. Both Yates and Keenum are under contract cheap and better able to fulfill in if need be.

Other than that I like the selections a lot.

IDEXAN
03-16-2014, 02:32 PM
I like it and would hope they can pull off that deal or one like it, but listen BL, can we really expect that O'Brien would wait that long to draft a QB ?
But when it comes to "second tier" QBs, I'm starting to get really interested in Georgia's Aaron Murray, who's still recovering from an ACL from last season but should be ready to go in the fall of 2014.

Hottoddie
03-16-2014, 02:44 PM
I like it a lot. However, I am concerned about both Oakland & Atlanta picking ahead of us. While Oakland is high on Watson at LT, there is a possibility they could take the more NFL ready Matthews to play LT instead of Bortles. Especially if they get Sanchez or Schaub in free agency.

Atlanta is the real wild card in that they want an OLB & mack would fill that need if they don't choose to trade up for Clowney. Who would be your second choice if Mack is gone? Please don't say Manziel. I cringe at the thought of us taking him.

Do you really think Cyrus will slide into the second round? Everything I've read has him going in the first, but there's always a surprise player or two that drops. So it's possible.

I love Bullough in the late 5th & did consider him in my mock, but felt Skov was too good to pass up.

I also agree with Infantrycak in regards to taking two developmental QBs. Maybe, one of the better CB's or FS's in the fourth would be a better choice.

Other than those concerns, I really like it. I'm also really starting to believe that we will trade out of the first pick this year. May can't get here soon enough.

steelbtexan
03-16-2014, 02:46 PM
Overall I like it.

Mack represents good value and if you're going to run a 3-4 you need great LB's. Which is why I would pick one of my favorites at 33. (Van Noy) and take the best OT/OG at 38. (Not Cyrus, after reading C-N-D's opinions on Cyrus knees)

Love the Jones pick, he will be the best NT in Texans history. (Not that that's saying much)

Savavge, while this appears to be a reach. I like him a lot. Big, tall QB's with great arms and accuracy are hard to find. He also has done very well learning 3 new offenses in his college yrs. (Smart) If BOB signed off on Savage I've got no problem with this pick.

Thomas, this team needs to add speed everywhere. Thomas helps this need.

Love the Bullough/Leonard picks

Bewikere, he seems to be a slow CB who will have to move to S. (Pass) Colvin or Crowell would make a good fit her.

Price, give me, Patchan, OL depth and this keeps in line with my philosophy of drafting talented but troubled of talented but injured players in rds 5-7.

Great job of thinking outside the box.

Number19
03-16-2014, 03:01 PM
Jacksonville re-signed Henne, so probably won't go QB with their first selection. Hoyer is the only QB on Cleveland's roster (as of now) so it's likely they will go QB. As for the Texans' taking Mack at #7, I'd really worry that Atanta is going to take him at #6, so I'd definitely have a backup plan.

But I like it, as you can probably guess; you're taking Tuitt at 2-33 and a big NT in the 3rd. We need a RT, in either the 3rd or 4th rounds, so you've got that covered.

You've got DeAnthony, which I like as a return specialist.

At some point, OB will draft a QB and this is probably a good spot in the draft to do so, as we're primarily going defense in the first three rounds.

I'd have liked to have taken an ILB higher, but you can't have everything.

But, a good solid draft if the Texans decide to concentrate on defense rather than taking a QB with 1-1.

infantrycak
03-16-2014, 03:17 PM
Jacksonville re-signed Henne, so probably won't go QB with their first selection.

I don't think the Jaguars or Vikings plan on making it through the season with the QBs they just resigned and believe they will each take a QB in the first two rounds. Henne and Cassell are placeholders.

TexansSeminole
03-16-2014, 03:27 PM
I don't see Tampa trading up, especially for Clowney. DE could very well be their deepest position. They are already low on draft picks this year due to several trades.

beerlover
03-16-2014, 06:19 PM
I don't see Tampa trading up, especially for Clowney. DE could very well be their deepest position. They are already low on draft picks this year due to several trades.

you maybe right but this trade does not cost them much to guarantee a great fit for their system & Lovie Smith’s defensive pedigree may trump the ultimate need at No. 7 plus they already addressed OT, Collins, QB, McGown, CB, Tillman, LB, Dane Fletcher, C Evan Dietrich-Smith & WR Ted Ginn, G Oniel Cousins as well as DE Michael Johnson. Bowers/Gholston have not impressed me at least, seem more like just depth or rotational players. With moves they made via free agency they could once again compete for a playoff spot.

WolverineFan
03-16-2014, 06:32 PM
I don't think the Jaguars or Vikings plan on making it through the season with the QBs they just resigned and believe they will each take a QB in the first two rounds. Henne and Cassell are placeholders.

Very true. I don't expect the Jags to take a QB in the 1st though. I think they take a pass rusher and address QB in round 2.

The Vikings are more difficult. If one of the 'big 3' fall to them I think they pull the trigger. Otherwise I see them going BPA and going for QB in rounds 2 or 3.

TexansSeminole
03-16-2014, 07:19 PM
you maybe right but this trade does not cost them much to guarantee a great fit for their system & Lovie Smith’s defensive pedigree may trump the ultimate need at No. 7 plus they already addressed OT, Collins, QB, McGown, CB, Tillman, LB, Dane Fletcher, C Evan Dietrich-Smith & WR Ted Ginn, G Oniel Cousins as well as DE Michael Johnson. Bowers/Gholston have not impressed me at least, seem more like just depth or rotational players. With moves they made via free agency they could once again compete for a playoff spot.

You forgot they also have Adrian Clayborn. That's 4 guys in a DE rotation.

beerlover
03-16-2014, 08:20 PM
You forgot they also have Adrian Clayborn. That's 4 guys in a DE rotation.

Adrian Clayborn = Clowney, Ok :splits:

steelbtexan
03-16-2014, 08:20 PM
Very true. I don't expect the Jags to take a QB in the 1st though. I think they take a pass rusher and address QB in round 2.

The Vikings are more difficult. If one of the 'big 3' fall to them I think they pull the trigger. Otherwise I see them going BPA and going for QB in rounds 2 or 3.

Prediction, #3 Jags-Clowney

beerlover
03-16-2014, 08:22 PM
Prediction, #3 Jags-Clowney

which is why any team wanting him will want to trade up, other than Jag's of course, by hey I'd listen to them too.

TexansSeminole
03-16-2014, 08:26 PM
Adrian Clayborn = Clowney, Ok :splits:

You are not understanding. Tampa's deepest position is DE. They have massive needs in other areas and are already low on draft picks. They are not going to trade up to get Clowney. It makes zero sense for a team trying to compete now.

Nobody said that Adrian Clayborn is equal or better than Clowney.

plus they already addressed OT, Collins, QB, McGown, CB, Tillman, LB, Dane Fletcher, C Evan Dietrich-Smith & WR Ted Ginn, G Oniel Cousins as well as DE Michael Johnson.

Btw, Tampa didn't sign Ted Ginn or Charles Tillman. Tillman is back with Bears and Ginn is with the Cardinals. Also, Dane Fletcher is basically a ST player.

Marshall
03-16-2014, 09:26 PM
Tampa Bay makes the call Thursday night when Texans are on the clock & offers exchanging Texans #1 overall pick, for their #1 this year 7th overall, 2nd 38th overall plus their own second rounder 2015 (projected middle rounder). First would you do this? Tampa would love to add Clowney to their DL. If Texans don't accept offer expect them to offer same package to St. Louis (if Texans don't take Clowney). I really don't want to or like to include a trade down mock draft but this year seems unique & Texans may wind up selecting highest graded prospect but not biggest need, so in effort to still take bpa while maximizing #1 overall selection there is a good chance Rick Smith would pull the trigger on just such a deal even if the return is not a huge haul as in past years, like what Washington gave up to get RG3. So here is how this unfolds, for you, my comrades in draft arms to decipher, analylize & discuss our options. ty 4 fb

1. Tampa (via Houston) - Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina 6-5 266
2. St Louis - Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn 6-5 332
3. Jacksonville - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville 6-2 214
4. Cleveland - Sammie Watkins, WR, Clemson 6-1 211
5. Oakland - Blake Bortles, QB, UCF 6-5 232
6. Atlanta - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M 6-5 308

By the numbers:
Houston 1-1 3000

Tampa Bay 1-7 1500
Tampa Bay 2-38 520
Tampa Bay 2015 2nd 190
Tampa Bay Total 2210

Not even close. Add in their 2015 1st (420) and we'll talk.

beerlover
03-16-2014, 09:53 PM
By the numbers:
Houston 1-1 3000

Tampa Bay 1-7 1500
Tampa Bay 2-38 520
Tampa Bay 2015 2nd 190
Tampa Bay Total 2210

Not even close. Add in their 2015 1st (420) and we'll talk.

That is under old value chart format, pretty sure that is no longer applicable. Thought about addressing this issue with an expert in field just don't have the time. Like I've stated, it's not going to cost a team like in the past to trade up unless there is a bidding war. Let's take Tampa out (according to TS) and Texans have two teams Jacksonville/Atlanta, both want Clowney I suppose you could duplicate the old value chart in regards to = value.

TexansSeminole
03-16-2014, 10:17 PM
I don't mean to be negative about the draft, I like the draft. I've just been studying Tampa for the texanstalk mock draft and trading down is something I thought about more than trading up. I also don't believe the whole "we may draft a QB" talk coming out of Tampa. Atleast not early on.

beerlover
03-17-2014, 01:07 AM
I don't mean to be negative about the draft, I like the draft. I've just been studying Tampa for the texanstalk mock draft and trading down is something I thought about more than trading up. I also don't believe the whole "we may draft a QB" talk coming out of Tampa. Atleast not early on.

Just got home & checked actual Tampa roster, seems both Ginn & Tillman only amounted to visits not signings, my bad, but Tampa Bay has added Pro Bowl CB Alterraun Verner, which I did not mention, just in case. lol

With all Tampa Bay addition a smart course would be to trade down by why wait when the iron is hot & you can strike a deal to put you over the top, a top you only imagined. Big first year impact for rookie GM Jason Licht, HC Lovie Smith & DC Leslie Frazier. I maintain you play to your strengths, that would be defense, if Clowney is that once in a generational prospect how could they pass on the cheap? I fail to see any downside as organization plus put butts in the seats.

beerlover
03-17-2014, 01:11 AM
Overall I like it.

Mack represents good value and if you're going to run a 3-4 you need great LB's. Which is why I would pick one of my favorites at 33. (Van Noy) and take the best OT/OG at 38. (Not Cyrus, after reading C-N-D's opinions on Cyrus knees)

Love the Jones pick, he will be the best NT in Texans history. (Not that that's saying much)

Savavge, while this appears to be a reach. I like him a lot. Big, tall QB's with great arms and accuracy are hard to find. He also has done very well learning 3 new offenses in his college yrs. (Smart) If BOB signed off on Savage I've got no problem with this pick.

Thomas, this team needs to add speed everywhere. Thomas helps this need.

Love the Bullough/Leonard picks

Bewikere, he seems to be a slow CB who will have to move to S. (Pass) Colvin or Crowell would make a good fit her.

Price, give me, Patchan, OL depth and this keeps in line with my philosophy of drafting talented but troubled of talented but injured players in rds 5-7.

Great job of thinking outside the box.

Tried to keep it as realistic as possible. The corner I really covet is Clemson Bashaud Breeland, probably 4th rd. but could not take him & risk losing target, QB Savage from Pitt because of need. Both players will be starters someday in their careers.

beerlover
03-17-2014, 01:13 AM
Seems like throwing away a 4th round pick. They are going to do something to address QB OR ride with what they have and pick up a future QB next offseason. Then you double up and do it again in the 7th. There are several folks who seem to want to churn QB picks every year and I think that is a waste. "Developmental" QBs don't develop if you turn the over constantly. Both Yates and Keenum are under contract cheap and better able to fulfill in if need be.

Other than that I like the selections a lot.

Texans have thrown away the 1st overall & two high second round picks, plus millions upon millions of dollars & you complain about throwing away a 4th & 7th rd. pick, really?

beerlover
03-17-2014, 01:18 AM
I like it a lot. However, I am concerned about both Oakland & Atlanta picking ahead of us. While Oakland is high on Watson at LT, there is a possibility they could take the more NFL ready Matthews to play LT instead of Bortles. Especially if they get Sanchez or Schaub in free agency.

Atlanta is the real wild card in that they want an OLB & mack would fill that need if they don't choose to trade up for Clowney. Who would be your second choice if Mack is gone? Please don't say Manziel. I cringe at the thought of us taking him.

Do you really think Cyrus will slide into the second round? Everything I've read has him going in the first, but there's always a surprise player or two that drops. So it's possible.

I love Bullough in the late 5th & did consider him in my mock, but felt Skov was too good to pass up.

I also agree with Infantrycak in regards to taking two developmental QBs. Maybe, one of the better CB's or FS's in the fourth would be a better choice.

Other than those concerns, I really like it. I'm also really starting to believe that we will trade out of the first pick this year. May can't get here soon enough.

Only reason Cyrus falls is because of medical which can be addressed & played to his strengths which would be right side or kick in as OG where sudden kick slide isn't as much every drop step snap. No way he can play LT given the circumstances but he is a plug & play RT & upgrade over what is currently on the Texan roster.

infantrycak
03-17-2014, 02:05 AM
Texans have thrown away the 1st overall & two high second round picks, plus millions upon millions of dollars & you complain about throwing away a 4th & 7th rd. pick, really?

I don't think the 2 2nds were wasted on Schaub and your boys will sit on the bench behind whoever they bring in to be the future starter so yes really I think they are wasted picks.

Marshall
03-17-2014, 06:32 AM
That is under old value chart format, pretty sure that is no longer applicable. Thought about addressing this issue with an expert in field just don't have the time. Like I've stated, it's not going to cost a team like in the past to trade up unless there is a bidding war. Let's take Tampa out (according to TS) and Texans have two teams Jacksonville/Atlanta, both want Clowney I suppose you could duplicate the old value chart in regards to = value.

It is an old value chart, but one which reflects actual trades well if not future performance of draftees. That is why I would talk at a deficit of nearly 400 points, but not at 800.

beerlover
03-17-2014, 09:46 AM
I don't think the 2 2nds were wasted on Schaub and your boys will sit on the bench behind whoever they bring in to be the future starter so yes really I think they are wasted picks.

not so much the picks as much as the money. these are cheap late round rookie contracts. if O'Brian hits just on one that return drastically accelerate. I don't feel these developmental prospects are like penny stocks either, more like aggressive growth mid & small company, bringing right product that fits a need millions of people desire :hankpalm:

infantrycak
03-17-2014, 10:01 AM
not so much the picks as much as the money. these are cheap late round rookie contracts. if O'Brian hits just on one that return drastically accelerate. I don't feel these developmental prospects are like penny stocks either, more like aggressive growth mid & small company, bringing right product that fits a need millions of people desire :hankpalm:

I understand the investment potential. I just think it would be better spent on ILB, S, C, WR, TE, RB who for some off field reason (including not having "ideal dimensions") has fallen below their on field performance. Happens every year and those guys if they pull their crap together because of the lesson of falling often step right back onto the field performing like the high round picks they could have been. So it isn't being risk averse, it is putting the risk where it will pay the most benefit if it works. For a QB to pay off in a similar fashion your main QB has to flop/get injured.

beerlover
03-17-2014, 10:33 AM
I understand the investment potential. I just think it would be better spent on ILB, S, C, WR, TE, RB who for some off field reason (including not having "ideal dimensions") has fallen below their on field performance. Happens every year and those guys if they pull their crap together because of the lesson of falling often step right back onto the field performing like the high round picks they could have been. So it isn't being risk averse, it is putting the risk where it will pay the most benefit if it works. For a QB to pay off in a similar fashion your main QB has to flop/get injured.

can't address every need in one draft, sir. I did address ILB, OLB, OT/G, WR/RB/RET, DE, NT & doubled up on QB because I feel both will develop.

beerlover
03-18-2014, 11:09 AM
I don't mean to be negative about the draft, I like the draft. I've just been studying Tampa for the texanstalk mock draft and trading down is something I thought about more than trading up. I also don't believe the whole "we may draft a QB" talk coming out of Tampa. Atleast not early on.

your early results are in from TTmock

for a pair of 2nds one this year & one next year still seems like a great deal Tampa, maybe not so much for Houston as JCTexan took Mack off the board. NCTexas took Barr with 8th pick so he could be an option but highest rated player #7 is Jake Matthews. Doubt many but Bruce fans would like trading down, bypassing Clowney or a QB then taking Jake but my mock is more grade driven. Will be interesting to see where Mosley gets picked up but doubt seriously if he is even a top 15 pick, IMO.

06(06) Atlanta Falcons (JCTexan) Kalil Mack - LB - Buffalo
07(07) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (TexansSeminole) C.J. Mosley - LB - Alabama
08(08) Minnesota Vikings (NCTexan) Anthony Barr - LB - UCLA
09(09) Buffalo Bills (Blake) Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M

But thanks for your input TS :brando:

steelbtexan
03-18-2014, 11:19 AM
your early results are in from TTmock

for a pair of 2nds one this year & one next year still seems like a great deal Tampa, maybe not so much for Houston as JCTexan took Mack off the board. NCTexas took Barr with 8th pick so he could be an option but highest rated player #7 is Jake Matthews. Doubt many but Bruce fans would like trading down, bypassing Clowney or a QB then taking Jake but my mock is more grade driven. Will be interesting to see where Mosley gets picked up but doubt seriously if he is even a top 15 pick, IMO.

06(06) Atlanta Falcons (JCTexan) Kalil Mack - LB - Buffalo
07(07) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (TexansSeminole) C.J. Mosley - LB - Alabama
08(08) Minnesota Vikings (NCTexan) Anthony Barr - LB - UCLA
09(09) Buffalo Bills (Blake) Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M

But thanks for your input TS :brando:

In the TT Mock I got my top rated CB for the Lions. But I kinda wish I would've made a slight reach for Shazier. That guy is a playmaker and CB is much deeper than OLB in this draft.

beerlover
03-18-2014, 11:25 AM
In the TT Mock I got my top rated CB for the Lions. But I kinda wish I would've made a slight reach for Shazier. That guy is a playmaker and CB is much deeper than OLB in this draft.

Dequeze Dennard is a good fit for the Lions, nice pick.

thunderkyss
03-18-2014, 11:27 AM
Texans have thrown away the 1st overall & two high second round picks, plus millions upon millions of dollars & you complain about throwing away a 4th & 7th rd. pick, really?

The only way I can see they do that, is if OB absolutely does not like Yates & Keenum.

I don't have an issue either way, you drafted the way you did for your reasons & I can see OB not liking Keenum... but Yates seems like a Bill O'Brien guy to me. More so than Keith Price.

badboy
03-18-2014, 01:19 PM
Tampa Bay makes the call ...

I am pretty much open to any trade that gets us out of 1-1 and increases our picks. As always appreciate your thought & efforts! Mack is a very good LB but I just think OLB not this high a priority in 2014. Would not groan however. I love Tuitt & mock him at 26 with a trade down happening with Browns; could be there at #33 but as I was correct long time ago saying Ninja was gone, he'd be perfect fit & can also play NT. Kouandijo and Daquan off my board, health of the first and poor play every time I watched Jones.

I have mocked Savage & like his skills/size but think he will be 7th/UDFA. As you & I have previously discussed, I am on board with Bullough.

TexansSeminole
03-18-2014, 02:34 PM
your early results are in from TTmock

for a pair of 2nds one this year & one next year still seems like a great deal Tampa, maybe not so much for Houston as JCTexan took Mack off the board. NCTexas took Barr with 8th pick so he could be an option but highest rated player #7 is Jake Matthews. Doubt many but Bruce fans would like trading down, bypassing Clowney or a QB then taking Jake but my mock is more grade driven. Will be interesting to see where Mosley gets picked up but doubt seriously if he is even a top 15 pick, IMO.

06(06) Atlanta Falcons (JCTexan) Kalil Mack - LB - Buffalo
07(07) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (TexansSeminole) C.J. Mosley - LB - Alabama
08(08) Minnesota Vikings (NCTexan) Anthony Barr - LB - UCLA
09(09) Buffalo Bills (Blake) Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M

But thanks for your input TS :brando:

My point still stands that trading their 1st and two 2nds isn't worth moving up for a player that plays at their deepest or second deepest position. That trade gives Tampa Clowney, 3rd rounder, 5th rounder, 7th rounder. It leaves them with 4 draft picks, only two higher than a 5th rounder, and takes their 2nd next year. If I'm Tampa, no thanks.

beerlover
03-18-2014, 10:43 PM
It is an old value chart, but one which reflects actual trades well if not future performance of draftees. That is why I would talk at a deficit of nearly 400 points, but not at 800.

OK, I got a response back from Matt McGuire, involved Walter Football, which was one of the few free draft sites when I started. He told me he actually talked with a scout from the Ravens who told him that "teams make up their own TVC's every year in the offseason". He went on further saying "the TVC that the media uses to gauge trades now is outdated, but what the media thinks doesn't matter anyways. Only die-hards care about stuff like that".

So I guess we have a few die-hards around here. Hate how secretive they've become but oh well. :ahhaha:

beerlover
03-19-2014, 09:29 AM
My point still stands that trading their 1st and two 2nds isn't worth moving up for a player that plays at their deepest or second deepest position. That trade gives Tampa Clowney, 3rd rounder, 5th rounder, 7th rounder. It leaves them with 4 draft picks, only two higher than a 5th rounder, and takes their 2nd next year. If I'm Tampa, no thanks.

well I respect your opinion. I don't think you can have too much of a good thing, & this would be a great situation for Jadeveon, surrounded by some talent, fast track, time to develop without all they hype & pressure to be the savior. But consider this, how about trading up for a QB? Changes my picks, true, doesn't change who I had Texans targeting Mack, & if Clowney slides so will Khalil, just saying.

received another email, very surprising from Matt McQuire, you may know of him, done some draft work on free website, Walter Football. I'm not making this up but thought you & others might enjoy this & I quote:

And I also agree that top draft picks being limited on their earning power now gives a more balanced TVC. Watch out for a lot of trades this year high in the Draft. I think Tampa is going to move up for Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel after declaring Josh McCown as the franchise savior (yeah right).

The QB market in the Draft seems to be cooling down but that's always B.S. Any time there are several highly rated QBs teams always spend high picks on them...then again, there are reasons why teams like the Texans are the Texans and teams like the Raiders are the Raiders.

TexansSeminole
03-19-2014, 02:02 PM
Trading up for a QB would make a little bit more sense, assuming Lovie isn't bluffing about wanting to draft one high. Glennon had a good rookie year (19TDs 9INTs). I still can't figure out why they would give up on that.

WolverineFan
03-19-2014, 02:10 PM
Trading up for a QB would make a little bit more sense, assuming Lovie isn't bluffing about wanting to draft one high. Glennon had a good rookie year (19TDs 9INTs). I still can't figure out why they would give up on that.

Seemingly every coach wants their own guy in place. That way, if the ship goes down, at least it's going down with their guy at the helm.