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WolverineFan
03-13-2014, 08:24 PM
In preparation for the draft and Free Agency, I have been doing some research on our defensive needs. This will not be a glass half-full post, so if you're already down then leave now. You were warned.


I think many of us have seen the lack of talent on this team for awhile, especially on defense. We have a few stars on defense, but the rest of our players are below average and the depth is awful. This was a top 5 defense in the league 2 years ago, but it's not anymore. It's falling behind.....fast. To gauge our talent level, let's compare our two-deep last year to the best defense in the league last year.


Seattle Seahawks 2013 Two-Deep
WDE - Chris Clemons / Cliff Avril
DT - Clinton McDonald / Michael Bennett
NT - Brandon Mebane / Jordan Hill
SDE - Red Bryant / Tony McDaniel
SLB - Bruce Irvin / O'Brien Schofield
MLB - Bobby Wagner / K.J. Wright
WLB - Malcolm Smith / Mike Morgan
CB - Richard Sherman / Walter Thurmond
CB - Byron Maxwell / Jeremy Lane
FS - Earl Thomas / Chris Maragos
SS - Kam Chancellor / Jeron Johnson

Houston Texans 2013 Two-Deep
LE - J.J. Watt / Jared Crick
DT - Earl Mitchell / Terrell McClain
RE - Antonio Smith / Tim Jamison
SLB - Brooks Reed / Bryan Braman
MLB - Brian Cushing / Darryl Sharpton
ILB - Joe Mays / Jeff Tarpinian
WLB - Whitney Mercilus / Ricky Sapp
CB - Jonathan Joseph / Brice McCain
CB - Kareem Jackson / Brandon Harris
FS - Danieal Manning / Shiloh Keo
SS - D.J. Swearinger / Eddie Pleasant


That doesn't look very close does it? Seattle has 3-4 backups that would have started for us last year and their depth is way better than ours. How many of our guys would have started for Seattle? Maybe 2-3?

Now consider that Seattle lost 3 starting D-Linemen in FA (Clemons, McDonald, & Bryant) and replaced them with very good players who were big contributors last year (Avril, Bennett, & McDaniel). Meanwhile, we lost 2 of our starting D-Linemen in FA (Smith & Mitchell) and have no contributors on the roster set to replace them. Crick and Jamison are JAG's and the other reserves were FA's as well. We will have to rely on the draft and the second wave of free agency to address 2 of the 3 starting D-Line positions and our depth concerns. If you want to see how good a defense is then look at their D-Line. Well as of right now....


2014 Seahawks D-Line
WDE - Cliff Avril / Benson Mayowa
DT - Michael Bennett / Jordan Hill
NT - Brandon Mebane / Jesse Williams
SDE - Tony McDaniel / Greg Scruggs

2014 Texans D-Line
DE - J.J. Watt / Keith Browner
NT -
DE - Jared Crick / Tim Jamison


Seattle already has their starting line intact and decent depth before the draft. We don't even have a starting lineup and have no depth. Very sobering.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 08:41 PM
We're going to have to upgrade size in most of the front seven and then upgrade that depth, as well. Add in DB needs and there aren't enough draft picks just for the defense. I don't see a quick (one year) turnaround, and I believe OB has given Rick the bad news and that they've shared that with Mr. McNair.

Just can't go from Wade/Kubes to 200x Patriots overnight. Saying that, I'm excited as heck about our direction. Repped.

2slik4u
03-13-2014, 08:53 PM
When I look at your depth chart and I see that Jeff Tarpinian is now one of our starting ILB's (mays traded) and we literally have practice squad DT (Mitchell and McClain traded), this makes for a sad 2Slik...

WolverineFan
03-13-2014, 09:10 PM
We're going to have to upgrade size in most of the front seven and then upgrade that depth, as well. Add in DB needs and there aren't enough draft picks just for the defense. I don't see a quick (one year) turnaround, and I believe OB has given Rick the bad news and that they've shared that with Mr. McNair.

Just can't go from Wade/Kubes to 200x Patriots overnight. Saying that, I'm excited as heck about our direction. Repped.

We definitely have to get bigger up front. At 290, Watt is slightly undersized for Crennel's front, the other 3 DL on the team are all under 280 and are JAG's. We need another starter at ILB and a talent upgrade at OLB as well as depth at both ILB and OLB. We also need a 3rd CB and some better depth at both CB and S. It's a damn mess.

2slik4u
03-13-2014, 09:15 PM
We definitely have to get bigger up front. At 290, Watt is slightly undersized for Crennel's front, the other 3 DL on the team are all under 280 and are JAG's. We need another starter at ILB and a talent upgrade at OLB as well as depth at both ILB and OLB. We also need a 3rd CB and some better depth at both CB and S. It's a damn mess.

Possibility we let Mitchell and McClain walk with the intentions of reuniting wilfork with Crennel?

Goldensilence
03-13-2014, 09:20 PM
Keep in mind that Seattle re didn't need a team loaded with 1st rounders to be elite. Some of their big cogs are also mid to late round picks.

Also if Phillips can pull a one year turn around with less starting out, we know it's possible. Not saying we need to or can have the defense Seattle or San Fran has put together in a year to succeed. We just need top 15 to compete for the division, which is a weak one overall.

There's some good pieces to work with. I don't think it's a major overhaul, but def not a hired gun away from elite. When guys like Keo are allowed to persist on your roster or you have too many all effort but short on talent guy it's a problem.

Honestly, maybe I just dress hearing another well it's going to take another 2-3 year's to get this turned around so let's continue to move at glacial speed to make improvements.

WolverineFan
03-13-2014, 09:25 PM
Possibility we let Mitchell and McClain walk with the intentions of reuniting wilfork with Crennel?

We let Mitchell walk without trying to re-sign him. McCain was cut because he's awful. Both of those decisions were made long before Wilfork requested his release. I see maybe a 1% chance Wilfork ends up in Houston next year.

thunderkyss
03-13-2014, 09:25 PM
We're going to have to upgrade size in most of the front seven and then upgrade that depth, as well. Add in DB needs and there aren't enough draft picks just for the defense. I don't see a quick (one year) turnaround, and I believe OB has given Rick the bad news and that they've shared that with Mr. McNair.

Just can't go from Wade/Kubes to 200x Patriots overnight. Saying that, I'm excited as heck about our direction. Repped.

I agree there is work to be done & we're not going to be the Patriots-South any time soon. The goal for next year is simply to be better than we were in 2013.

At the same time, we're not playing the first place teams in the AFC. We're not playing the strongest division in the AFC, because there is no strong division in the AFC. The toughest stretch in our schedule will be the week we play Indianapolis, both of them. Other than that, we won't face a contender until we get to the play-offs (if we get to the play-offs).

If we win 10 games, or 11 games (which is possible) that won't mean that we're good, it won't make us contenders, it won't make us the hottest team in the NFL... Like the 9-0 Chiefs...... or the 10-1 Texans from 2012...

We don't play the Patriots. We don't play the Broncos. We don't play the Packers or the Seahawks or the 49ers... our defense don't need to be that great next season. We just need to make a step change & have us sitting pretty for the 2015 offseason.

_King_
03-13-2014, 09:35 PM
I expect this team to compete next year. If we get a qb.

I think we'll get some good players in the draft and make some solid pick ups. More importantly I think the coaching will be much better.

In the division I think we can overtake the titans and jags...I think we can beat the colts out as well. They aren't really all that good to me. Our division isn't really looking all that tough.

And I don't know if the colts know what they're doing really. That trade for TR was a fail from the get go.

2slik4u
03-13-2014, 11:37 PM
We let Mitchell walk without trying to re-sign him. McCain was cut because he's awful. Both of those decisions were made long before Wilfork requested his release. I see maybe a 1% chance Wilfork ends up in Houston next year.

I'd say there's about a 3.22% chance of this happening.

Wolf6151
03-14-2014, 12:58 AM
Thank you for the dose of reality here, to many folks are fooling themselves thinking we're only a QB away from the playoffs. Wade's 1 gap 3-4 system was centered around smaller quicker D-linemen that penetrated and got after the QB while the OLB's set the edge and contained the RB or QB. Crennels system as I understand a traditional 2 gap 3-4 is built with much bigger D-linemen who take up blockers, stuff the run, and free up the OLB's to make plays, exactly the opposite of Wade's system. Also Rick Smiths draft history the last few years is terrible. I'm not sure if that's Ricks fault or the coaching staff who was telling him who they want, probably both. As for Wilfork coming to Houston, that's very doubtful. He suffered an Achilles tendon injury, which is serious for anyone much less a 330+ lbs. DT, and he's already 32 yoa., have we not learned our lesson about old injured expensive FA's. I also don't think this re-build is a 1 yr. turn around, it's more like a 2-3 yr. re-build especially with our limited cap space and all the dead money we'll be owing players. I'd like to see the Texans acknowledge this re-build, bite the bullet on the dead money and pay it all off this year since you can't re-build in 1 yr. anyway, and free up the team for a 2015 season with lots of FA money to spend and re-sign JJ. They also need to spend the 2014 draft building the trenches, ie: OT, OG, NT, DT/DE, and LB's, then add all the fancy skill position players the next year and build this team the way it should have been built to begin with.

Bulls on Parade
03-14-2014, 01:00 AM
Once we sign Vince Wilfork for that much needed big nose tackle and draft Jadeveon Clowney number one overall. We're going to have a much improved front seven adding those two beasts to J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing. Our secondary is going to perform much better. We'll need depth but there is plenty of time for that. It's not like the 2014 regular season starts tomorrow.

drs23
03-14-2014, 01:25 AM
Once we sign Vince Wilfork for that much needed big nose tackle and draft Jadeveon Clowney number one overall. We're going to have a much improved front seven adding those two beasts to J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing. Our secondary is going to perform much better. We'll need depth but there is plenty of time for that. It's not like the 2014 regular season starts tomorrow.

Hmmm. If that's what you're waiting on to happen, I think you might have a long wait in store. They may take Clowney #1 but I'd be really surprised and I'd be surprised squared if they brought in Wolfolk. He wants BIG bucks. Don't think that's gonna happen.

powda
03-14-2014, 01:53 AM
Revamping the entire defense-

Dl: IS jj right now and nothing more. No starters and no depth.

Lb: Cushing comming off injury again and the olbs are the same ineffective tandem of brooks and mercy (who I have to expect will get better.) Who's the other ilb?

Db: I think jjo is on the downhill slope. Keo got better but he's just an average starter on his absolutely best day. Nickel HAS to be better because McCain is finally gone...that's a plus.

Add up all these holes with the ones on offense and its obvious they will not all be adressed in one off-season. People keep talking about kc's turn around last season and how we can do it to , but frankly, thats bull****. The outlook appears grim. I wanna be wrong and change my mind after the draft...I just don't think its gonna happen. Our roster looks monumentally bad.

Wolf6151
03-14-2014, 02:14 AM
Once we sign Vince Wilfork for that much needed big nose tackle and draft Jadeveon Clowney number one overall. We're going to have a much improved front seven adding those two beasts to J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing. Our secondary is going to perform much better. We'll need depth but there is plenty of time for that. It's not like the 2014 regular season starts tomorrow.

You do realize that Vince Wilfork is 32 yoa., very expensive, and very injured right?

SAMURAITEXAN
03-14-2014, 03:40 AM
Raji maybe?

TexansSeminole
03-14-2014, 06:59 AM
I was just looking at this two days ago and it's depressing. We don't even have a NT on the roster. Even if we sign two FA defensive linemen, we still need to draft a few more in order to have even decent depth/talent. Our 2nd starting ILB is an UDFA from last year. Our primary backup at OLB hasn't ever played a regular season snap. We will have swag boy as a starting safety and next year we will be looking for another starting safety. We certainly don't have a young safety on this roster that has even the slightest chance of developing into an average starter to replace Manning. All the picks we have used on corners and we still are in need of both depth and a starting nickel. Since 2007, we have invested a first rounder, 2 second rounders, a third rounder, 3 fourth rounders, 3 fifth rounders, 2 sixth rounders, and a seventh rounder on defensive backs and we currently have Kareem Jackson, Brandon Harris, Shiloh Keo, and D.J. Swearinger to show for those investments. That's 13 draft picks.

You look at this and you wonder, how the hell is Rick Smith still employed with this franchise? How can someone do this poorly, both in talent evaluation and in cap management, and stick around for the start of a new administration? It's not about the scheme change either. It doesn't matter what scheme we decided to run, we don't have the talent for any of them, even if we resigned Antonio Smith.

I don't understand when people blame this stuff on the coaches. This isn't limited to even Wade Phillips, this has been going on since before his arrival. This guy Rick Smith is simply a poor GM.

Look at our draft last year guys:

1. DeAndre Hopkins (WR--Clemson)
2. D.J. Swearinger (S--South Carolina)
3. Brennan Williams (OT--North Carolina)
3. Sam Montgomery (OLB/DE--LSU)
4. Trevardo Williams (LB/DE--UConn)
6. David Quessenberry (OT/OG--San Jose State)
6. Alan Bonner (WR--Jacksonville State)
6. Chris Jones (DT--Bowling Green State)
6. Ryan Griffin (TE--UConn)

Is this not the least productive draft class, in their first year, you have ever seen? You've got failures of all sorts going on here. Two of them aren't even on the roster one year later. A third rounder is gone because of character concerns that were red flags prior to the draft. Another third rounder had a medical issue prior to the draft. A second rounder lost it mid-game, had 3 or 4 personal foul penalties, and damn near single-handedly lost the game for us.

I worry that we are going to have to suffer through another year of failed talent evaluation. I highly doubt that O'Brien would keep Rick Smith if he had the option of picking out his own GM. That assumption leads me to believe that ownership is not looking at the big picture here.

Sobering indeed.

Number19
03-14-2014, 09:40 AM
We are not in good shape defensively, but again it's not all that bad - if. If the decision is made that our offense is in better shape than our defense and OB can work with what we have, with the addition of a few pieces, and the decision is made to draft heavily for the defense, the talent is available as deep as the 5th round. There's no reason for me to repeat myself, I haven't changed the basics of my mock. I'll still tweek it some in the coming weeks, but we can put together a very good defense - but young - to carry us this season. Keep the scoring down so the offense doesn't have to be so explosive and high scoring. An 8 or 9 win season is possible while putting together a core group of young defensive player for the next four or five years.

This is just one way to go. Some want to do the opposite - draft heavily offensively.

Dutchrudder
03-14-2014, 09:59 AM
...

Sobering indeed.

I dunno about you, but it makes me want to drink! Amirite?

Goldensilence
03-14-2014, 10:02 AM
I was just looking at this two days ago and it's depressing. We don't even have a NT on the roster. Even if we sign two FA defensive linemen, we still need to draft a few more in order to have even decent depth/talent. Our 2nd starting ILB is an UDFA from last year. Our primary backup at OLB hasn't ever played a regular season snap. We will have swag boy as a starting safety and next year we will be looking for another starting safety. We certainly don't have a young safety on this roster that has even the slightest chance of developing into an average starter to replace Manning. All the picks we have used on corners and we still are in need of both depth and a starting nickel. Since 2007, we have invested a first rounder, 2 second rounders, a third rounder, 3 fourth rounders, 3 fifth rounders, 2 sixth rounders, and a seventh rounder on defensive backs and we currently have Kareem Jackson, Brandon Harris, Shiloh Keo, and D.J. Swearinger to show for those investments. That's 13 draft picks.

You look at this and you wonder, how the hell is Rick Smith still employed with this franchise? How can someone do this poorly, both in talent evaluation and in cap management, and stick around for the start of a new administration? It's not about the scheme change either. It doesn't matter what scheme we decided to run, we don't have the talent for any of them, even if we resigned Antonio Smith.

I don't understand when people blame this stuff on the coaches. This isn't limited to even Wade Phillips, this has been going on since before his arrival. This guy Rick Smith is simply a poor GM.

Look at our draft last year guys:

1. DeAndre Hopkins (WR--Clemson)
2. D.J. Swearinger (S--South Carolina)
3. Brennan Williams (OT--North Carolina)
3. Sam Montgomery (OLB/DE--LSU)
4. Trevardo Williams (LB/DE--UConn)
6. David Quessenberry (OT/OG--San Jose State)
6. Alan Bonner (WR--Jacksonville State)
6. Chris Jones (DT--Bowling Green State)
6. Ryan Griffin (TE--UConn)

Is this not the least productive draft class, in their first year, you have ever seen? You've got failures of all sorts going on here. Two of them aren't even on the roster one year later. A third rounder is gone because of character concerns that were red flags prior to the draft. Another third rounder had a medical issue prior to the draft. A second rounder lost it mid-game, had 3 or 4 personal foul penalties, and damn near single-handedly lost the game for us.

I worry that we are going to have to suffer through another year of failed talent evaluation. I highly doubt that O'Brien would keep Rick Smith if he had the option of picking out his own GM. That assumption leads me to believe that ownership is not looking at the big picture here.

Sobering indeed.

I'm thinking two things here: one we're going to have to have another terrible year to finally let go Smith or that Kubiak was pulling the lion's share of strings in bad calls.

Ultimately, hoping the later just so we don't have to suffer another terrible season. Might be worth it though for a FO clean slate.

ArlingtonTexan
03-14-2014, 10:09 AM
2013 Seahawks had one the top 5 (imo) at least top 10 overall single season defensive performances in NFL history. the seahawks lapped every team in performance, so nobody stacks up to them. this is just listing out what should be pretty obvious.

Dutchrudder
03-14-2014, 10:10 AM
I'm thinking two things here: one we're going to have to have another terrible year to finally let go Smith or that Cubism was pulling the lion's share of strings in bad calls.

Ultimately, hoping the later just so we don't have to suffer another terrible season. Might be worth it though for a FO clean slate.

Sure Cubism was extremely influential back in the 20th century, but to claim that a 100 year old art style is influencing football decisions today is a bit extreme. It certainly influences art today, but that's some Butterfly Effect theory right there.

Nitrofish
03-14-2014, 02:55 PM
I'm thinking two things here: one we're going to have to have another terrible year to finally let go Smith or that Kubiak was pulling the lion's share of strings in bad calls.

Ultimately, hoping the later just so we don't have to suffer another terrible season. Might be worth it though for a FO clean slate.

I am not sure who sold Uncle Bob on the idea that the Texans were just a few players away from a SB, but I think it was clear after last season that was not the case. If they were going to take out the garbage, they should have taken it all out, and that means Smith too. Seems to me like the bird in McNair's ear was Smith, and that is why he is still here.

The Pencil Neck
03-14-2014, 03:25 PM
Look at our draft last year guys:

1. DeAndre Hopkins (WR--Clemson)
2. D.J. Swearinger (S--South Carolina)
3. Brennan Williams (OT--North Carolina)
3. Sam Montgomery (OLB/DE--LSU)
4. Trevardo Williams (LB/DE--UConn)
6. David Quessenberry (OT/OG--San Jose State)
6. Alan Bonner (WR--Jacksonville State)
6. Chris Jones (DT--Bowling Green State)
6. Ryan Griffin (TE--UConn)

Is this not the least productive draft class, in their first year, you have ever seen?

No.

It's not even the least productive draft class in Texan's history.

There are three starters in that draft class: Hopkins, Swearinger... and Chris Jones (who started 12 games and had 6 sacks for the Patriots after we cut him.)

Hopkins had 52 receptions, 802 yards, and 2 TD. That's pretty good. Ryan Griffin played pretty well and there's hope for him for the future. There are still some guys in that draft class who could perform for us: Quessenberry, Trevardo Williams, Bonner.

Now, think about the 2005 draft.

16. Travis Johnson
73. Vernand Morency
114. Jerome Mathis
151. Drew Hodgdon
188. C. C. Brown
227. Kenneth Pettway

Travis Johnson gave us some snaps and Jerome Mathis made some plays on ST. But that's just some fail right there.

Not saying that Rick Smith is doing a great job. But he has drafted a couple of DROY and a DPOY. Let's see what he can do without Kubiak and let's not totally give up on that draft class just yet.

honored82
03-14-2014, 03:38 PM
6th Rounder DT Chris Jones did not make the roster. He then moved to Patriots as a starter and played 13 games and had 6 sacks, highest amongst all rookies. That shows how bad our coaching staff was. They cant make the most out of the players.

Also, we have 4 players from last years draft returning from IR. Lets see what they do this year.

3. Brennan Williams (OT--North Carolina)
4. Trevardo Williams (LB/DE--UConn)
6. David Quessenberry (OT/OG--San Jose State)
6. Alan Bonner (WR--Jacksonville State)
and UDFA WR Lemon too

WolverineFan
03-14-2014, 03:54 PM
6th Rounder DT Chris Jones did not make the roster. He then moved to Patriots as a starter and played 13 games and had 6 sacks, highest amongst all rookies. That shows how bad our coaching staff was. They cant make the most out of the players.


IIRC, we tried to stash Jones on the Practice Squad and Tampa Bay signed him. The last roster spot was between Montgomery and Jones and we were scared someone wold sign Montgomery if we PS'ed him so Jones got the designation.

That might have been the most productive late round in the draft for any one team in recent memory. Chris Jones, Ryan Griffin, and David Quessenberry all in the 6th round. Those guys all have serious potential.

The Pencil Neck
03-14-2014, 04:11 PM
IIRC, we tried to stash Jones on the Practice Squad and Tampa Bay signed him.

Tampa Bay signed him, cut him, then he was signed by the Pats and became a starter when Wilfork (and maybe some others) went down.

drs23
03-14-2014, 04:26 PM
I dunno about you, but it makes me want to drink! Amirite?

I'm in! :shots:

thunderkyss
03-14-2014, 04:47 PM
No.

It's not even the least productive draft class in Texan's history.

There are three starters in that draft class: Hopkins, Swearinger... and Chris Jones (who started 12 games and had 6 sacks for the Patriots after we cut him.)

Hopkins had 52 receptions, 802 yards, and 2 TD. That's pretty good. Ryan Griffin played pretty well and there's hope for him for the future. There are still some guys in that draft class who could perform for us: Quessenberry, Trevardo Williams, Bonner.

Not saying that Rick Smith is doing a great job. But he has drafted a couple of DROY and a DPOY. Let's see what he can do without Kubiak and let's not totally give up on that draft class just yet.

I'll be looking to see how quickly we get production from our future later picks, the guys we take between rounds 3, 4, 5, & 6. It just doesn't make sense that the rest of the league gets more production out of the guys taken in those rounds than we do... a lot faster.

Of course, this is just the feeling that I get from my very Texans-centric view. But the more I think about it, the more I believe our front office wasn't as cohesive a unit as I thought.

_King_
03-14-2014, 04:55 PM
But the more I think about it, the more I believe our front office wasn't as cohesive a unit as I thought.

I think when they started losing fingers started being pointed.

I definitely think they were split on many things. They are humans. That's natural. They will have different opinions on how to be successful.

But I think more than anything, it wasn't that Kubiak didn't want certain players and Rick forced them on him, but Kubiak was just slow reacting. Within games, over the course of the season, from year to year...I think Kubiak was far too slow reacting.

Seemed like things had to be clearly apparent before he'd address it. And even then it's like he'd hold on to some things with the stubbornness of a boulder. He had his comfort zone and he was comfortable with it.

JB
03-14-2014, 05:16 PM
I think when they started losing fingers started being pointed.

I definitely think they were split on many things. They are humans. That's natural. They will have different opinions on how to be successful.

But I think more than anything, it wasn't that Kubiak didn't want certain players and Rick forced them on him, but Kubiak was just slow reacting. Within games, over the course of the season, from year to year...I think Kubiak was far too slow reacting.

Seemed like things had to be clearly apparent before he'd address it. And even then it's like he'd hold on to some things with the stubbornness of a boulder. He had his comfort zone and he was comfortable with it.

Where do you get this? Hasn't all the talk been about the coaches had too much control?

The Pencil Neck
03-14-2014, 05:31 PM
I'll be looking to see how quickly we get production from our future later picks, the guys we take between rounds 3, 4, 5, & 6. It just doesn't make sense that the rest of the league gets more production out of the guys taken in those rounds than we do... a lot faster.

Of course, this is just the feeling that I get from my very Texans-centric view. But the more I think about it, the more I believe our front office wasn't as cohesive a unit as I thought.

And I think that's the issue. You're judging the Texans against what you WANT to happen and what you HOPE will happen. The rest of the league isn't getting this huge production out of the people picked in that range. Sure, you will find guys that do produce that are picked in that range but no matter what team you choose, you can find years where the entire draft was a fail.

The Patriots are a great team, but they had this draft in 2008:
10 - Jerod Mayo (granted a pro bowler)
62 - Terrence Wheatley (12 games)
78 - Shawn Crable (6 games)
94 - Kevin O'Connell (2 games)
129 - Jonathan Wilhite (53 games, started 15 games but a backup)
153 - Matt Slater (87 games, started 3 games in 2011, only has 46 passes caught in his career and they were all in 2011)
197 - Bo Ruud (0 games)


Pick a team and you'll find that there's not as much success drafting as you might suspect.

We've been really lucky with some of the UDFAs and late round production that we've gotten.

infantrycak
03-14-2014, 05:34 PM
Where do you get this? Hasn't all the talk been about the coaches had too much control?

People are creating their own plots. Watch 6 mos. from now they will have become fact.

imatexan
03-14-2014, 05:48 PM
I am not sure who sold Uncle Bob on the idea that the Texans were just a few players away from a SB, but I think it was clear after last season that was not the case. If they were going to take out the garbage, they should have taken it all out, and that means Smith too. Seems to me like the bird in McNair's ear was Smith, and that is why he is still here.

Lets not re-write history, it wasn't just "someone" selling Uncle Bob on the Texans going into last season as a superbowl contender. It was the players, the fans, the media, other coaches, etc that thought that.

thunderkyss
03-14-2014, 05:53 PM
People are creating their own plots. Watch 6 mos. from now they will have become fact.


If we don't draft an OG, ,or OT in the first three rounds, & we start the season with Ben Jones filling our need at OG & Quessenberry filling our need at RT.... and Brandon Harris is our starting Nickel... & playing very well at that... I know what I'll be saying.

thunderkyss
03-14-2014, 06:03 PM
Lets not re-write history, it wasn't just "someone" selling Uncle Bob on the Texans going into last season as a superbowl contender. It was the players, the fans, the media, other coaches, etc that thought that.

I thought that.

JB
03-14-2014, 06:07 PM
Lets not re-write history, it wasn't just "someone" selling Uncle Bob on the Texans going into last season as a superbowl contender. It was the players, the fans, the media, other coaches, etc that thought that.

I think he was talking about McNairs comments right after the season that we were close, not prior to last season.