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ArlingtonTexan
03-10-2014, 03:45 AM
http://www.csnhouston.com/texans/andre-johnson-doesnt-want-project-qb?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Well, guess what???

_King_
03-10-2014, 07:18 AM
Sounds like something pretty obvious.

Andre doesn't have a bunch of years left. He doesn't have time to waste on a 2-3 year project at qb.

revan
03-10-2014, 07:25 AM
This guy approves this article.
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/teddy-bridgewater.jpg

BullNation4Life
03-10-2014, 07:55 AM
This guy approves this article.
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/teddy-bridgewater.jpg

Man I tell you what, the more I research, the more I am liking Bridgewater, for the fact I think, out of all the QBs, he could pick up the system the fastest..


He doesn't have the same arm, but he does have a Warren Moon-esq about him...

IDEXAN
03-10-2014, 08:19 AM
Just don't give us anymore recommendations on FA prospects the Texans should sign, OK AJ ?

thunderkyss
03-10-2014, 08:37 AM
This guy approves this article.
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/teddy-bridgewater.jpg

That guy like Bortles ain't never seen nothing like what they'll see in the NFL. In the AAC, they were lucky to see one guy with NFL talent..... Bridgewater even less, because that guy was probably on his #1 Defense.

They've never seen 11 guys work together the way they'll see it in the NFL, never seen 11 guys move so fast, or hit so hard.

We have no clue how they'll react after one game....


That said, I'm trying to talk myself into believing he can be as good as McNabb right out of the box... but McNabb knew he had to use his legs to give him an advantage & Bridgewater... to me, looks like the kind of guy who will "refuse" to do so.... like Aaron Brooks. That's the guy I see when I look at Bridgewater. Brooks was smart & deadly with his arm (much stronger than Bridgewater) but he refused to use his legs to get him out of trouble.

When he did, he was something to watch, but he desperately wanted to be a drop back pocket passer.

steelbtexan
03-10-2014, 08:59 AM
Man I tell you what, the more I research, the more I am liking Bridgewater, for the fact I think, out of all the QBs, he could pick up the system the fastest..


He doesn't have the same arm, but he does have a Warren Moon-esq about him...

Hopefully TB's better than never making it to an AFC championship game much less a SB on a loaded team. Regardless if the Texans pick TB or not.

In short hopefully TB is more than a stats machine and can actually play his best in the biggest games. Wasn't Moon the leader of a team that blew the biggest playoff lead in NFL history? Yeah, I really hope TB has better leadership qualities than that.

revan
03-10-2014, 09:10 AM
That guy like Bortles ain't never seen nothing like what they'll see in the NFL. In the AAC, they were lucky to see one guy with NFL talent..... Bridgewater even less, because that guy was probably on his #1 Defense.

They've never seen 11 guys work together the way they'll see it in the NFL, never seen 11 guys move so fast, or hit so hard.

We have no clue how they'll react after one game....


That said, I'm trying to talk myself into believing he can be as good as McNabb right out of the box... but McNabb knew he had to use his legs to give him an advantage & Bridgewater... to me, looks like the kind of guy who will "refuse" to do so.... like Aaron Brooks. That's the guy I see when I look at Bridgewater. Brooks was smart & deadly with his arm (much stronger than Bridgewater) but he refused to use his legs to get him out of trouble.

When he did, he was something to watch, but he desperately wanted to be a drop back pocket passer.

Maybe McCarron will jump up into the first round then seeing how he played with and against first round talent. He is a dark horse for me.

ObsiWan
03-10-2014, 09:17 AM
That guy like Bortles ain't never seen nothing like what they'll see in the NFL. In the AAC, they were lucky to see one guy with NFL talent..... Bridgewater even less, because that guy was probably on his #1 Defense.

They've never seen 11 guys work together the way they'll see it in the NFL, never seen 11 guys move so fast, or hit so hard.

We have no clue how they'll react after one game....


That said, I'm trying to talk myself into believing he can be as good as McNabb right out of the box... but McNabb knew he had to use his legs to give him an advantage & Bridgewater... to me, looks like the kind of guy who will "refuse" to do so.... like Aaron Brooks. That's the guy I see when I look at Bridgewater. Brooks was smart & deadly with his arm (much stronger than Bridgewater) but he refused to use his legs to get him out of trouble.

When he did, he was something to watch, but he desperately wanted to be a drop back pocket passer.
Neither Brooks nor McNabb had the study habits Bridgewater is reported to have. That, in my mind, gives him a leg up on those two.

BullNation4Life
03-10-2014, 09:25 AM
Hopefully TB's better than never making it to an AFC championship game much less a SB on a loaded team. Regardless if the Texans pick TB or not.

In short hopefully TB is more than a stats machine and can actually play his best in the biggest games. Wasn't Moon the leader of a team that blew the biggest playoff lead in NFL history? Yeah, I really hope TB has better leadership qualities than that.

I know I was talking about his make up in general. He just reminds me of Warren Moon coming out of college...

2012Champs
03-10-2014, 09:36 AM
I know I was talking about his make up in general. He just reminds me of Warren Moon coming out of college...



Bridgewater reminds you of an undrafted college qb that went to play in the CFL?

Lucky
03-10-2014, 09:46 AM
Bridgewater reminds you of an undrafted college qb that went to play in the CFL?
In the NFL of 2014, someone with the ability of Warren Moon would be drafted.

ArlingtonTexan
03-10-2014, 09:49 AM
Bridgewater reminds you of an undrafted college qb that went to play in the CFL?

You do know prejudice/bigotry/racism (pick your term) towards black QBs was an actual FACT in football circles in the 1970s?

And yes I do know who James Harris and Doug Williams were.

BullNation4Life
03-10-2014, 09:58 AM
Bridgewater reminds you of an undrafted college qb that went to play in the CFL?


Moon had no control over the red neck good ol' boy network when he came out of college. Had Moon come out today, he would easily be the #1 pick without second thought...

pull your head out dude, it's dark and smells bad and you might suffocate...

thunderkyss
03-10-2014, 09:59 AM
Neither Brooks nor McNabb had the study habits Bridgewater is reported to have. That, in my mind, gives him a leg up on those two.

I don't even think about it. Not even on my list of pros or cons... Especially when you're telling me a guy like McNabb could lead his team to 4 NFC Championship games & a Super Bowl without it.

It's a plus, but not part of the main decision.

Lucky
03-10-2014, 10:05 AM
Moon had no control over the red neck good ol' boy network when he came out of college. Had Moon come out today, he would easily be the #1 pick without second thought...

pull your head out dude, it's dark and smells bad and you might suffocate...
No Moon would not have been the #1 pick. Moon was an option QB without big passing stats at Washington. Remember, Doug Williams was drafted in the 1st round of that same draft. Williams played in a dropback, pro style offense at Grambling. However, Moon did have a gun for an arm, and in today's NFL, he would be drafted strictly off measurables. But, not #1.

ArlingtonTexan
03-10-2014, 10:12 AM
No Moon would not have been the #1 pick. Moon was an option QB without big passing stats at Washington. Remember, Doug Williams was drafted in the 1st round of that same draft. Williams played in a dropback, pro style offense at Grambling. However, Moon did have a gun for an arm, and in today's NFL, he would be drafted strictly off measurables. But, not #1.

If I used the rep system this would be a post that I would ding positively. Moon was a victim (yes I said victim) of the times, but as a football matter would have been drafted more on "upside" than not.

WolverineFan
03-10-2014, 10:12 AM
That guy like Bortles ain't never seen nothing like what they'll see in the NFL. In the AAC, they were lucky to see one guy with NFL talent..... Bridgewater even less, because that guy was probably on his #1 Defense.

They've never seen 11 guys work together the way they'll see it in the NFL, never seen 11 guys move so fast, or hit so hard.

We have no clue how they'll react after one game....


We have no clue how any college QB will react when they get to the next level. Is McCarron more prepared because he played against better competition? Keep in mind, he played with arguably the most talented roster in the country for 4 years and his main job was to hand the ball off. You hold it against Bridgewater that he had a great defense behind him. Do you do the same for McCarron or Mettenberger? Did you do the same for Luck?

Also, Bridgewater did pretty well against that Florida defense that put 8 guys in the NFL. Sure, it was only one game, but saying "he ain't never seen that kind of talent" is quite a stretch.

2012Champs
03-10-2014, 10:43 AM
In the NFL of 2014, someone with the ability of Warren Moon would be drafted.

You do know prejudice/bigotry/racism (pick your term) towards black QBs was an actual FACT in football circles in the 1970s?

And yes I do know who James Harris and Doug Williams were.

Moon had no control over the red neck good ol' boy network when he came out of college. Had Moon come out today, he would easily be the #1 pick without second thought...

pull your head out dude, it's dark and smells bad and you might suffocate...



Calm down folks

ObsiWan
03-10-2014, 11:00 AM
I don't even think about it. Not even on my list of pros or cons... Especially when you're telling me a guy like McNabb could lead his team to 4 NFC Championship games & a Super Bowl without it.

It's a plus, but not part of the main decision.

Work ethic and study habits - especially at the QB position - are a significant part of the draft/don't draft decision. After the Carr experience Texan fans should be especially sensitive to this aspect of a QB prospects makeup.
...but maybe I'm by myself in this thinking.

infantrycak
03-10-2014, 11:01 AM
Hopefully TB's better than never making it to an AFC championship game much less a SB on a loaded team. Regardless if the Texans pick TB or not.

I'm still floored there is anyone in the world who considers a QB a failure for not winning a SB despite going to the playoffs in all but two seasons with his team including the 1st five, 3 conference championship games and appearing in the SB. You can sign me up for a decade with 8 playoffs and only 1 losing season right now even if they don't win the SB.

Texecutioner
03-10-2014, 11:09 AM
Moon had no control over the red neck good ol' boy network when he came out of college. Had Moon come out today, he would easily be the #1 pick without second thought...

pull your head out dude, it's dark and smells bad and you might suffocate...

Other than both players being black I fail to see the comparison. Moon had a much better arm.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
03-10-2014, 11:12 AM
I don't even think about it. Not even on my list of pros or cons... Especially when you're telling me a guy like McNabb could lead his team to 4 NFC Championship games & a Super Bowl without it.



It's a plus, but not part of the main decision.


McNabb had a very very strong defense behind him as well


Your man... Pots and pans

thunderkyss
03-10-2014, 11:34 AM
We have no clue how any college QB will react when they get to the next level. Is McCarron more prepared because he played against better competition? Keep in mind, he played with arguably the most talented roster in the country for 4 years and his main job was to hand the ball off. You hold it against Bridgewater that he had a great defense behind him. Do you do the same for McCarron or Mettenberger? Did you do the same for Luck?


Yes, as a matter of fact I do, which is why I have no problem with the way he's being graded & have said as much. I've always said he's much closer to the "big three" than not, but more in they were overrated compared to him.

NFL.com QB Draft Grades (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-position):


6.4 Blake Bortles
6.3 Teddy Bridgewater
5.9 Johnny Manziel
5.8 Derek Carr
5.6 Aj McCarron
5.4 Tajh Boyd
5.4 Logan Thomas
5.3 Jimmy Garoppolo
5.2 Stephen Morris
5.2 Zach Mettenberger
5.2 Jeff Matthews
5.2 Aaron Murray
5.1 Tom Savage
5.1 David Fales


If McCarron is a third or fourth round QB, "the big 3" are 2nd rounders at best.

PapaL
03-10-2014, 11:41 AM
2 posts about AJ, 22 posts about <insert QB here>. Wait until the Manziel and Bortles crew show up.

This draft/trade can not come fast enough!

steelbtexan
03-10-2014, 12:29 PM
I'm still floored there is anyone in the world who considers a QB a failure for not winning a SB despite going to the playoffs in all but two seasons with his team including the 1st five, 3 conference championship games and appearing in the SB. You can sign me up for a decade with 8 playoffs and only 1 losing season right now even if they don't win the SB.

See this is where I set the Barr higher, how many AFC conference championship games did Warren participate in? A real winner I tell you.

Back on topic, Remember just last yr AJ wanted Ed Reed to play here too. I'm glad Slick Rick is the GM. {Sarcasm/////}

steelbtexan
03-10-2014, 12:48 PM
Work ethic and study habits - especially at the QB position - are a significant part of the draft/don't draft decision. After the Carr experience Texan fans should be especially sensitive to this aspect of a QB prospects makeup.
...but maybe I'm by myself in this thinking.

Agreed, and no you're not.

Still don't want any of the top 3 QB's. I want a QB that can make all of the throws with ease.

infantrycak
03-10-2014, 01:39 PM
What AJ wants apparently isn't of interest so thread closed.