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CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 02:29 PM
Not only does it appear that the new OB Texans will be taller, but they will also have more meat on their bones. Duane Brown is no exception.


The Texans left tackle is bulking up, healthily, this offseason after going into 2013 lighter than he normally played.

"I lost about 12 to 15 pounds," Brown said on Friday morning after a community event in West University. "I lost a lot of weight last year and I'm off that. So I'm staying pretty big these days. Always eating healthy, just eating more of it."

Brown is listed on the current team roster at 303 pounds. Along with the rest of the Texans last fall, the 2012 All-Pro wasn't pleased with how he performed.

"I set the bar for myself pretty high," Brown said. "I don't think I quite played up to my potential last year."

To that end, the 2-time Pro Bowler said he's hoping to make 2014 the best of his 7-year NFL career.

"I'm trying to make this the best offseason of my career," Brown said. "I want to make next year the best season of my career. We're all trying to do our part to have a succesfull year next year."

Brown has also met with head coach Bill O'Brien, and offensive line coach Paul Dunn. He said the new coaching staff and the players share in the enthusiasm for better things in the coming season. With the weight he'll put back on for 2014, Brown believes he'll improve over 2013.

"I was quicker. I was faster. But on that edge, you have to be able to anchor. I wasn't able to anchor those first couple of games. I think this year I'll be a lot stronger than I was," Brown said.

The added weight in 2014 will be one thing to watch about the left tackle's game. Another aspect which he didn't mention, though, was health. Brown was inactive in Weeks 3 and 4 because of a toe injury he suffered in the Week 2 win over Tennessee. Missing that pair of contests snapped a streak in which he'd started 78 consecutive games.

A toe that's healed, along with playing back at a weight he was accustomed to, are promising developments for a return to form by Brown.link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Duane-Brown-to-add-weight-for-2014/3ea4c9b6-0d06-4a40-976a-2156a6968385)

Last year I pointed out that without prolonged rest, his toe injury would affect his play throughout the remainder of the season. Many here disclaimed that his turf toe (which was not ever identified as such last season) was a problem later in the season. Hopefully the increase in pushoff weight does not predispose Brown to a recurrence of this injury this season. And hopefully they will fit him with appropriate prophylactic footwear to try to avoid such a re-injury.

infantrycak
03-07-2014, 02:57 PM
Sounds more like last year was a weight aberration and he is returning to normal.

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 03:10 PM
Sounds more like last year was a weight aberration and he is returning to normal.

His weight and toe problem both played a role. Definitely putting back his weight and possibly more will allow him to return to a more dominating LT. Foot wear should go a long way in trying to insure that his toe is non-contributory this year.

infantrycak
03-07-2014, 03:16 PM
His weight and toe problem both played a role. Definitely putting back his weight and possibly more will allow him to return to a more dominating LT. Foot wear should go a long way in trying to insure that his toe is non-contributory this year.

I wasn't saying it wasn't a good idea. My point was it is more getting back to normal than it is getting bigger. Semantic deal. Your mention of OB Texans makes it seem like it is a philosophical shift. The article doesn't actually say the lower weight last year or increased weight this year were at the team's request.

Double Barrel
03-07-2014, 03:21 PM
Do we have any idea if O'Brien is going to continue the zone blocking system or if he's going wtih a more traditional man/power blocking scheme? I assume the latter (not sure why), but I have not really heard anything either way.

infantrycak
03-07-2014, 03:25 PM
Do we have any idea if O'Brien is going to continue the zone blocking system or if he's going wtih a more traditional man/power blocking scheme? I assume the latter (not sure why), but I have not really heard anything either way.

All indications are ZBS will still be a/the major feature. NE uses it. The first two OL coaches he talked to are known specifically for ZBS, the 1st being the son of the guy credited with inventing it. As you know though, all answers by OB are answered with "we will run a variety of schemes based on the game plan."

IDEXAN
03-07-2014, 03:36 PM
Don't know for sure where OB's alleged preference for a big OLine is coming from, but Belichick's OLine up in NE where OB did his NFL coaching is not particularly big and they are known to run some zone stuff.
I remember a couple years ago when the Texans made a big commitment to zone blocking their linemen were to told to slim down, so one would think it's possible Brown is now being advised to bulk up some, or atleast not be too light. Of course I don't know anything specific, just speculating here.

Double Barrel
03-07-2014, 03:42 PM
All indications are ZBS will still be a/the major feature. NE uses it. The first two OL coaches he talked to are known specifically for ZBS, the 1st being the son of the guy credited with inventing it. As you know though, all answers by OB are answered with "we will run a variety of schemes based on the game plan."

ahh, okay. Thanks for the heads up. Good point about looking at his staff and seeing their histories.

His variety of schemes mentality is going to be an interesting study for all of us Monday morning QBs.

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 05:30 PM
I wasn't saying it wasn't a good idea. My point was it is more getting back to normal than it is getting bigger. Semantic deal. Your mention of OB Texans makes it seem like it is a philosophical shift. The article doesn't actually say the lower weight last year or increased weight this year were at the team's request.

OB brought in Fitzgerald for a reason. Fitzgerald has repeatedly said that his philiosophic goals are making players bigger, stronger and more physical. Just like Kubiak directed players to lose or gain weight, most coaching staffs have significant input as to the weights they want their players to maintain.

IDEXAN
03-07-2014, 05:51 PM
OB brought in Fitzgerald for a reason. Fitzgerald has repeatedly said that his philiosophic goals are making players bigger, stronger and more physical. Just like Kubiak directed players to lose or gain weight, most coaching staffs have significant input as to the weights they want their players to maintain.
I dunno C&N, maybe he just meant that figuratively speaking. Afterall he couldn't hardly say his philosophy was to make players smaller, weaker, & less physical could he ? And I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, it's just that I wonder if his remarks were really meant in a specific sense ?

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 06:38 PM
I dunno C&N, maybe he just meant that figuratively speaking. Afterall he couldn't hardly say his philosophy was to make players smaller, weaker, & less physical could he ? And I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, it's just that I wonder if his remarks were really meant in a specific sense ?

I appreciate what you're saying, but it could be said that the result of the last regimen was exactly that.

thunderkyss
03-07-2014, 06:48 PM
OB brought in Fitzgerald for a reason. Fitzgerald has repeatedly said that his philiosophic goals are making players bigger, stronger and more physical. Just like Kubiak directed players to lose or gain weight, most coaching staffs have significant input as to the weights they want their players to maintain.

That may be the case, but like 'cak said, that article does nothing to make us believe Duane was instructed to gain weight, or that Brown believes the new coaching staff would like him to get bigger... as the title of this thread suggests.

Instead, it appears DB acknowledges that losing weight did not help him the way he thought it would & decided for himself that gaining weight would help improve his game. His goal isn't to get bigger so much as it is to regain his previous girth.

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 07:48 PM
That may be the case, but like 'cak said, that article does nothing to make us believe Duane was instructed to gain weight, or that Brown believes the new coaching staff would like him to get bigger... as the title of this thread suggests.

Instead, it appears DB acknowledges that losing weight did not help him the way he thought it would & decided for himself that gaining weight would help improve his game. His goal isn't to get bigger so much as it is to regain his previous girth.

Girth is not what he lacked or needed. With his weight loss, he lost STRENGTH. He may have come to the same conclusion, but to believe that word didn't filter down to him from the new coaching staff that they wanted him to bulk up is ignoring common sense.

thunderkyss
03-07-2014, 07:51 PM
Girth is not what he lacked or needed. With his weight loss, he lost STRENGTH. He may have come to the same conclusion, but to believe that word didn't filter down to him from the new coaching staff that they wanted him to bulk up is ignoring common sense.

I believe Duane when he said he's his harshest critic. Not much for reading tea leaves.

Playoffs
03-07-2014, 08:05 PM
I think we'll be seeing our roster getting bigger in a number of areas as it turns over.

TEXANRED
03-07-2014, 09:39 PM
Not only does it appear that the new OB Texans will be taller, but they will also have more meat on their bones. Duane Brown is no exception.


[/B]link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Duane-Brown-to-add-weight-for-2014/3ea4c9b6-0d06-4a40-976a-2156a6968385)

Last year I pointed out that without prolonged rest, his toe injury would affect his play throughout the remainder of the season. Many here disclaimed that his turf toe (which was not ever identified as such last season) was a problem later in the season. Hopefully the increase in pushoff weight does not predispose Brown to a recurrence of this injury this season. And hopefully they will fit him with appropriate prophylactic footwear to try to avoid such a re-injury.
people who dismiss turf toe are people who have never had turf toe. You just don't realize how much weight your big toe absorbs. It was like walking on spikey fire that shoots through your whole body. And I was only 230lb. 300lber? hell no.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
03-07-2014, 09:59 PM
Turf toe pretty much ended Jonathan Ogdens career


Your man... Pots and pans

DX-TEX
03-08-2014, 12:08 AM
I think we'll be seeing our roster getting bigger in a number of areas as it turns over.

When will the roster start to turn over?

Seriously, we haven't cut jack squat. I want blood!

Nitrofish
03-08-2014, 01:13 AM
When will the roster start to turn over?

Seriously, we haven't cut jack squat. I want blood!

I was wondering the same thing, but I assume that once FA starts you will see more moves, but then again, perhaps O'Brien is pretty happy with the roster the way it is with the exception of a few players.

Let's see what happens in 3 1/2 more days.

IDEXAN
03-08-2014, 08:06 AM
When will the roster start to turn over?

Seriously, we haven't cut jack squat. I want blood!
I think we'll be seeing lots and lots of blood letting very soon with FA just a couple days off, because with a new regime and likely significant differences in both the offense and defense, even competent players who's compensation is in line might be released because they don't "fit" athletically/physically and/or
in terms of skill-sets.

ObsiWan
03-08-2014, 11:10 AM
When will the roster start to turn over?

Seriously, we haven't cut jack squat. I want blood!
Too soon.
O'Brien & co., with the exception of Kollar, haven't seen anything but video on the squad they inherited. They haven't seen what these guys can do in their offensive and defensive systems.

Plus, they're evaluating rookies in preparation for the draft and free agency.

Once you get past J.J. Watt, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, and that level of player, I'm not sure they know what they have and what they're missing.

I wouldn't want to make cuts - except for financially driven cuts like Schaub - without seeing these guys on the field.

infantrycak
03-08-2014, 11:26 AM
Too soon.
O'Brien & co., with the exception of Kollar, haven't seen anything but video on the squad they inherited. They haven't seen what these guys can do in their offensive and defensive systems.

Plus, they're evaluating rookies in preparation for the draft and free agency.

Once you get past J.J. Watt, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, and that level of player, I'm not sure they know what they have and what they're missing.

I wouldn't want to make cuts - except for financially driven cuts like Schaub - without seeing these guys on the field.

Exactly. Plus this time of year the team is looking to bulk up to 90, not cut from less than 53. For the most part the cuts you see around the league right now are cap maneuvering.

thunderkyss
03-08-2014, 12:46 PM
Too soon.
O'Brien & co., with the exception of Kollar, haven't seen anything but video on the squad they inherited. They haven't seen what these guys can do in their offensive and defensive systems.

Plus, they're evaluating rookies in preparation for the draft and free agency.

Once you get past J.J. Watt, Andre Johnson, Duane Brown, and that level of player, I'm not sure they know what they have and what they're missing.

I wouldn't want to make cuts - except for financially driven cuts like Schaub - without seeing these guys on the field.

That & McNair believes we're not in rebuild mode. They believe in the players, especially the "core group" that core group is where all our money is (http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Texans&Year=2014). Andre, Schaub, Jjo, Foster, Brown, Myers, OD, Manning, Cushing, Kj, Watt, Lechler, Mercilus, McCain, Hopkins, Reed, Newton, Harris... in that order.

We can cut just about everyone on that list for a cap savings, but it makes no sense to do so now as long as the top 51 salaries don't go over the cap.

.

ObsiWan
03-08-2014, 01:34 PM
That & McNair believes we're not in rebuild mode. They believe in the players, especially the "core group" that core group is where all our money is (http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Texans&Year=2014). Andre, Schaub, Jjo, Foster, Brown, Myers, OD, Manning, Cushing, Kj, Watt, Lechler, Mercilus, McCain, Hopkins, Reed, Newton, Harris... in that order.

We can cut just about everyone on that list for a cap savings, but it makes no sense to do so now as long as the top 51 salaries don't go over the cap.

.

I'm not sure.... are you agreeing with me?
:fostering:

thunderkyss
03-08-2014, 01:53 PM
I'm not sure.... are you agreeing with me?
:fostering:

Yes I agree with you. McNair & Rick believe they have a good group of talent. Why would they be itching to cut them now.

thunderkyss
03-08-2014, 11:56 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiJeqP7CAAAkj2T.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2014, 07:54 PM
You had to know it was coming.........OB at work........


Drew Dougherty ‏@DoughertyDrew 1hr

Weighing in now at 320 lbs is #Texans LT Duane Brown. Speaking at #DraftDayMovie screening. pic.twitter.com/WOlpdxcjho

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk5ZHqfCIAAcR8M.jpg

DocBar
04-10-2014, 08:32 PM
You had to know it was coming.........OB at work........



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk5ZHqfCIAAcR8M.jpgYou called that early in the PS, iirc. Losing weight was a bad idea for that big boy.

thunderkyss
04-10-2014, 08:40 PM
You had to know it was coming.........OB at work........



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk5ZHqfCIAAcR8M.jpg

I wouldn't be surprised if OB was eyeballing another OT to start his NFL career.

DocBar
04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if OB was eyeballing another OT to start his NFL career.Why? Do you mean LT or RT?

ObsiWan
04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if OB was eyeballing another OT to start his NFL career.
one can only hope
:)

DocBar
04-10-2014, 08:50 PM
one can only hope
:)???? The guy had a bad year after losing a lot of weight and having turf toe and you want to ditch him? DB is a top 5 LT in this league. Not to mention the LG issues we had all year. I just don't get this, if it's about DB at LT.

kiwitexansfan
04-10-2014, 08:51 PM
one can only hope
:)

If we move down and snag Robinson or Matthews I would be happy enough. If we stay at 1:1 I can live with Robinson.

thunderkyss
04-10-2014, 09:04 PM
???? The guy had a bad year after losing a lot of weight and having turf toe and you want to ditch him? DB is a top 5 LT in this league. Not to mention the LG issues we had all year. I just don't get this, if it's about DB at LT.

It's not about replacing Brown, it's about fixing the OL.

DocBar
04-10-2014, 09:15 PM
It's not about replacing Brown, it's about fixing the OL.Brown is not the problem with the OL, though.

The Pencil Neck
04-10-2014, 10:03 PM
Brown is not the problem with the OL, though.

No, but the void on the other side is.

ObsiWan
04-11-2014, 02:29 AM
???? The guy had a bad year after losing a lot of weight and having turf toe and you want to ditch him? DB is a top 5 LT in this league. Not to mention the LG issues we had all year. I just don't get this, if it's about DB at LT.
It's not about DB it's about the RT.
Trade out of 1-1. Get Robinson. AND extra picks.
Now we've got bookend beasties on our O-line, a savvy center, and the best of the rest (B.Jones, B. Brooks, Cody White, Alex Kupper - whoever that is) at the guard spots and Quessenberry at backup/swing tackle.

That's what I hope for.

but we'll probably pick a QB or Clowney.

Norg
04-11-2014, 02:57 AM
When will the roster start to turn over?

Seriously, we haven't cut jack squat. I want blood!


what do u mean all of F/a I think left except for GG

u mean starters or depth players yeah I kknow what u mean tho

has farhas starters maybe on the hot seat if bill wants radical change

Chris myers
Foster
Kevin martin
Posey

J Joe
Crick
Mercluis could lose his starthing spot along with reed

IDK who is playing MLB with Cush

IDK I think Jacksons good play has forced the Texans to keep him I guess ..???

DJ swag might lose his starting spot

KEO might be gone who knows

new kicker prob new punter

we might have all new starters on DEF except JJ and CUsh and Jackson who are locks IMO

Norg
04-11-2014, 02:59 AM
Brown is not the problem with the OL, though.

Wade smith was the problem and hes gone I think Chris myers could be gone 2 who knows

the rotating Seat at RG could be on going and same with RT

Ben jones might move to center if Chris is gone but usually teams like to get a NEw QB and New center and have them grow together

thunderkyss
04-11-2014, 06:45 AM
It's not about DB it's about the RT.
Trade out of 1-1. Get Robinson. AND extra picks.
Now we've got bookend beasties on our O-line, a savvy center, and the best of the rest (B.Jones, B. Brooks, Cody White, Alex Kupper - whoever that is) at the guard spots and Quessenberry at backup/swing tackle.

That's what I hope for.

but we'll probably pick a QB or Clowney.

Agreed. This is a rare opportunity to have two of the best OT's playing for our team, one on a rookie deal, the other on a very team friendly deal (DB76 could have asked for franchise LT money or tested FA, he did neither).

Next to having Russell Wilson & Chris Johnson on the same team on their rookie deals, I can't think of a better scenario.

Scooter
04-11-2014, 08:47 AM
Agreed. This is a rare opportunity to have two of the best OT's playing for our team, one on a rookie deal, the other on a very team friendly deal (DB76 could have asked for franchise LT money or tested FA, he did neither).

Next to having Russell Wilson & Chris Johnson on the same team on their rookie deals, I can't think of a better scenario.

all-pros at left tackle and center, and a #1 at right tackle. a monster of a kid at right guard and what many (including myself) expect to be a natural at left guard. we indeed have a rare opportunity to have a complete offensive line. almost college-like with andre and nuk and foster being above and beyond their counterparts, but will we go that route and "finish" the offense?

i think it's absolutely absurd to miss the chance to complete a puzzle in order to add pieces to another, but there's a reason they dont pay me the big bucks.

Scooter
04-11-2014, 08:54 AM
as for brown, i'm glad he's getting back to a comfortable weight. we see it over and over and over again, players trimming or gaining weight towards their position with a negative impact on their actual performance. there is no magical "lose weight and be faster, gain weight and be stronger" formula. players have learned what has gotten them to this point, it's when they attempt to modify their body to compensate for ability that everything goes downhill fast.

hookinreds
04-11-2014, 11:00 PM
all-pros at left tackle and center, and a #1 at right tackle. a monster of a kid at right guard and what many (including myself) expect to be a natural at left guard. we indeed have a rare opportunity to have a complete offensive line. almost college-like with andre and nuk and foster being above and beyond their counterparts, but will we go that route and "finish" the offense?

i think it's absolutely absurd to miss the chance to complete a puzzle in order to add pieces to another, but there's a reason they dont pay me the big bucks.

I too have been thinking more and more about this scenario. Clowney & Watt or Brown & Robinson/Matthews plus picks. Either way I think the Texans would benefit greatly.

Playoffs
05-11-2014, 06:04 PM
Not only does it appear that the new OB Texans will be taller, but they will also have more meat on their bones...

Spot on, Doc. We got bigger.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Marks of O'Brien all over Houston's draft class. 6-5, 266 OLB; 6-4, 310 OG; 6-5. 265 TE; 6-2, 330 NT; 6-4, 230 QB; 6-3, 310 DE; 6-1, 250 FB; 6-3, 215 S. Size.

Houston_Fanatic
05-11-2014, 06:33 PM
Spot on, Doc. We got bigger.

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Looks like they better increase the cafeteria budget over on Kirby.....

:thisbig:

Thorn
05-11-2014, 06:47 PM
Not only does it appear that the new OB Texans will be taller, but they will also have more meat on their bones. Duane Brown is no exception.


Good call.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2014, 06:54 PM
BEFORE

http://crossfitthreshold.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/2z65p2q.jpg

AFTER

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c77016b5f3d11756b139a5d679b609fa81ac5b96/c=66-0-2526-3280&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/12/08//1386539842000-LouisNix128.jpg

EllisUnit
05-11-2014, 07:26 PM
BEFORE

http://crossfitthreshold.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/2z65p2q.jpg

AFTER

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c77016b5f3d11756b139a5d679b609fa81ac5b96/c=66-0-2526-3280&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/12/08//1386539842000-LouisNix128.jpg

Watching that dude in college was pretty exciting, he has a motor almost like Watt, Now if clowney can also give 100% on every play like i see watt and nix doing our D line will be the best in the NFL.

BigBull17
05-12-2014, 10:12 AM
I like the idea of utilizing some aspects of the ZBS in our new offense, just hated the overwhelming reliance on it that Gary and Co had on it. We had weak linemen who couldn't get movement to save their life. Or hold their ground in pass pro. Love the new focus on power.