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Playoffs
02-28-2014, 05:10 PM
I often have draft news items that don't merit a new thread, don't fit in current threads, but are worthy of mention. Later round prospect news, draft rumors, team news, etc.

Since the Combine is now completed, I thought we needed a catchall 2014 Draft news thread.


2014 pro days schedule by date (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule)

2014 pro days schedule alphabetical by school (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule#Alphabetical)
Between the NFL Scouting Combine and the 2014 NFL Draft, NFL coaches and scouts -- not to mention the prospects themselves -- turn their attention to the various college pro day workouts. These are not as all-encompassing as the combine, but they are important enough for the key decision-makers in the league to travel around the country for more than a month to watch the talent up close and in person. Be sure to check back for updates to the schedule as well as pro day reports.

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bah007
02-28-2014, 05:28 PM
Is Playoffs Adam Schefter? Please never leave.

kiwitexansfan
02-28-2014, 06:01 PM
Are we sure Playoffs isn't just some computer algorithm collecting Texans related news?

powda
02-28-2014, 06:10 PM
Is Playoffs Adam Schefter? Please never leave.

Im now handing out rep to random posters here JUST SO I CAN REP playoffs again for all his effort.

steelbtexan
02-28-2014, 06:16 PM
I often have draft news items that don't merit a new thread, don't fit in current threads, but are worthy of mention. Later round prospect news, draft rumors, team news, etc.

Since the Combine is now completed, I thought we needed a catchall 2014 Draft news thread.


2014 pro days schedule by date (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule)

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule"]2014 pro days schedule alphabetical by school (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule#Alphabetical)[/URL


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-adzDVfUcZRQ/UZrjNxgeQFI/AAAAAAAAByA/i2us8VgJRL0/s1600/Draft+2014.jpg

MSR

Thanks for everything

bah007
02-28-2014, 06:19 PM
Are we sure Playoffs isn't just some computer algorithm collecting Texans related news?

Perhaps the human manifestation of google? :shrug:

NCTexan
02-28-2014, 06:22 PM
Are we sure Playoffs isn't just some computer algorithm collecting Texans related news?

I'm with Kiwi on this one. It's a bot.

<3 Playoffs

Playoffs
03-01-2014, 10:12 AM
Family drives Scott Crichton’s will to succeed in the NFL (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/26/scott-crichton-oregon-state-2014-nfl-draft/)
...but because his decision to declare for the draft after his junior year was more emotional and complex than most. Yes, Crichton is doing it for the money. But when he sat down at a table at the combine media room last Sunday to speak with a small group of mostly Seattle-based reporters, the underrated Tacoma, Wash., native laid out exactly why it was time for him to head to the next level. Simply put, his family desperately needs him to.

“I love my family. I’ve taken this responsibility to take care of them. My mom works two jobs, and my dad is disabled and still works a job, too. They are getting old and I want them to retire and just stop working. I just did this for my family. I was going to come back to college but just to see my family struggle — we didn’t have much growing up and to see my family struggle, I wasn’t OK with that. So I had to do something, and this is one of the greatest opportunities for me to take care of my family.”

Crichton’s parents are both from Western Samoa. His father Lucky (his given name) lost a leg a while back due to health reasons, and it was impossible for Crichton to recall his dad’s struggle since without profound emotion. It was easy — and moving — to see.

“He works at a warehouse right now, which is barely getting by like $10 an hour, and he [had taken] care of my grandpa. My grandpa is 90-something and he just passed. It was just unfortunate, and this was all happening at once.”

So, Crichton didn’t bother getting a grade from the advisory board — he decided to take his 22.5 sacks and 51 tackles for loss over three seasons to the NFL, and see what it would get him.
...
“What is the key to getting penetration inside a tackle? Like a 4-tech or a 3-tech? You’ve just got to get off the ball and attack, attack the opposing player and you’ve got to just play on their side of the ball. Coaches always told me, whatever you do, no matter if you are wrong, you’ve got to play on their side of the ball..."
http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_17814.gif (http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_17814.gif)

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2014, 10:24 AM
:texflag::texflag::texflag:

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2014/02/28/defensive-thoughts-post-combine/

Playoffs
03-01-2014, 10:52 AM
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2014/02/28/defensive-thoughts-post-combine/Great stuff, repped.

I am going to have a good amount of DTs graded in my top 100 overall. I think it is a good year for the position... There are a lot of BIG defensive tackles in this class. Guys with NFL-ready bodies from a thickness/strength perspective.... :doot:

A couple names I’ve been high on since September are DaQuan Jones (Penn State) and Caraun Reid (Princeton). Jones... is a comfortable 320+ pounds with the easiest knee bend you’ll find and some sneaky quickness in tight spaces... he can stay low and play with strong hands. Reid is a tough guy to block... is a low mover with explosive steps, incredibly strong base.
Back in the fall I said this DE class was very weak after Clowney and I still believe it...

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2014, 10:56 AM
Great stuff, repped.

Can anyone think of a good use for Aaron Donald at #1?

kiwitexansfan
03-01-2014, 11:52 AM
Can anyone think of a good use for Aaron Donald at #1?

I would consider him at DE. He has strength to hold up and speed to make him pay.

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2014, 11:54 AM
I would consider him at DE. He has strength to hold up and speed to make him pay.

He's going to bring it every play .

Playoffs
03-01-2014, 12:12 PM
If I were Scouting an NFL QB... (http://gonzalezpassinggame.weebly.com/1/post/2014/02/if-i-were-scouting-an-nfl-qb.html)
...I don't doubt that many teams are consistent with the first two points, but I have serious reservations about the last two. Jamarcus Russell? I remember telling a whole slew of people he'd never make it (Mike, Ryan, and Derek - remember?). How did I know? Because I saw tape of him as a high school senior and he waited for receivers to be out of their breaks before throwing, and that had not changed at LSU. Nobody knows for sure - just as Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) pointed out in "Moneyball" - there is no crystal ball. There is no way of assuring how a player will project from college to the NFL, but I think some things can be done more efficiently, especially from the workout and scouting standpoint.

To me, the way a player's talent will translate has to do more with his surrounding players relative to the opposition rather than if he took all his snaps from shotgun. Shotgun as opposed to under center doesn't matter as much other things, yet people seem to waste a lot of breath on the subject. Why? Every team has a QB coach that's a millionaire - he can teach drops. It's about processing large volumes of information and having enough of a skill set athletically to get the ball to someone open ( who should be graded on speed and explosiveness) -- all while have the courage to ignore the pass rush and the mental toughness to ignore talk radio...


Can anyone think of a good use for Aaron Donald at #1?

I think Crennel prefers the big uglies.


Earholed!: http://youtu.be/pkhEfZB8YcI?t=3m16s

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Texian
03-01-2014, 12:19 PM
If I were Scouting an NFL QB... (http://gonzalezpassinggame.weebly.com/1/post/2014/02/if-i-were-scouting-an-nfl-qb.html)





I think Crennel prefers the big uglies.

If Donald were 300 lbs or 265 lbs he would be a Top 10 lock. Still at 285 he's the BEST DL in this draft. While Donald would be a perfect fit Wade's D and replacement for Ninja, Crennel's DEs have mostly been of the 300 lb variety.

steelbtexan
03-01-2014, 12:46 PM
Family drives Scott Crichton’s will to succeed in the NFL (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/26/scott-crichton-oregon-state-2014-nfl-draft/)

...

http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_17814.gif (http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_17814.gif)

If the Texans go QB at 1-1 this guy would be my pick at 2-33. Doubtful he will be there though. New Orleans will run the pick to the podium.

My ideal draft would be

1.Robinson
2. Crichton
3.Garappolo/Murray/Mettenberger

Texian
03-01-2014, 12:51 PM
If the Texans go QB at 1-1 this guy would be my pick at 2-33. Doubtful he will be there though. New Orleans will run the pick to the podium.

My ideal draft would be

1.Robinson
2. Crichton
3.Garappolo/Murray/Mettenberger

I had Cricton as a possibility at 2-1 along with ASJ. However Crichton at 273 lbs I'm not sure he fits the Crennel historical MO for a DE.

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2014, 02:34 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46337/349/peshek-sack-study-10

WolverineFan
03-02-2014, 09:33 AM
Can anyone think of a good use for Aaron Donald at #1?

Not in Crennel's defense. The guy is a beast, but he can struggle with double teams and he's way more of a gap shooter than plugger. He would be totally miscast in our defense.

He really reminds me of Geno Atkins. I think he's purely a 3'technique, but a very very good one at that.

aussie_texan
03-02-2014, 06:50 PM
Not in Crennel's defense. The guy is a beast, but he can struggle with double teams and he's way more of a gap shooter than plugger. He would be totally miscast in our defense.

He really reminds me of Geno Atkins. I think he's purely a 3'technique, but a very very good one at that.

i have a similar thinking towards Ealy. would love him have a top 10 grade on him but does he fit Roc's system?? im inclined to think not.

thunderkyss
03-02-2014, 07:23 PM
i have a similar thinking towards Ealy. would love him have a top 10 grade on him but does he fit Roc's system?? im inclined to think not.

How would you compare Kony Ealy to Tamba Hali?

ObsiWan
03-03-2014, 12:46 AM
Are we sure Playoffs isn't just some computer algorithm collecting Texans related news?

Perhaps the human manifestation of google? :shrug:

I'm with Kiwi on this one. It's a bot.

<3 Playoffs

I'm thinking...

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...From the future...

and he's got these links from what are history books for him
:kitten:

but hell, whatever. Keep up the good work!
:texans:

ObsiWan
03-03-2014, 12:55 AM
Can anyone think of a good use for Aaron Donald at #1?

I would consider him at DE. He has strength to hold up and speed to make him pay.
^^^^
This!

From what I've read, RAC likes his DE's to hold the point of attack, throw off the blocker and make the play.
Someone tell me why Donald could not do these things and fit this defense. Especially in a rotation-type scheme where you want to keep your D-linemen fresh.

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 09:31 AM
^^^^
This!

From what I've read, RAC likes his DE's to hold the point of attack, throw off the blocker and make the play.
Someone tell me why Donald could not do these things and fit this defense. Especially in a rotation-type scheme where you want to keep your D-linemen fresh.

Because throughout his entire college career he was using his strength and speed to beat blocks, not hold them. I've watched a ton of tape on him. He's undersized and, as strong as he is for his size, I've seen him get pushed around when he's not shooting gaps. He is not a "hold the point of attack" type of player. He's a "penetrate and attack" type of player.

mussop
03-03-2014, 10:35 AM
Because throughout his entire college career he was using his strength and speed to beat blocks, not hold them. I've watched a ton of tape on him. He's undersized and, as strong as he is for his size, I've seen him get pushed around when he's not shooting gaps. He is not a "hold the point of attack" type of player. He's a "penetrate and attack" type of player.

Which is why ( as crazy as it sounds) he would be a great fit IMO. His athleticism and size make him a fit all over the place. He could play the elephant or DE in passing situations and ILB on running plays. His versatility makes him more valuable. People need to stop thinking of him as just an undersized DL. He could be so much more.

bah007
03-03-2014, 10:40 AM
Which is why ( as crazy as it sounds) he would be a great fit IMO. His athleticism and size make him a fit all over the place. He could play the elephant or DE in passing situations and ILB on running plays. His versatility makes him more valuable. People need to stop thinking of him as just an undersized DL. He could be so much more.

This is an insane projection based on what he has shown on tape. Could it possibly happen? Yes, possibly. But nothing on his film suggests that. It would be a total shot in the dark.

I really don't understand why people always want to draft these talented players and ask them to do things they haven't done before. Blows my mind.

What is he good at? Using his hands and quickness to shoot gaps and rush the passer from the interior.

What is he bad at? Holding his ground in a gap against a double team.

Seems pretty simple to me what he should be doing. Draft him to do what he's already good at. If it ends up he is good at other things too that's a bonus. But you can't make that part of your analysis when grading him because it's a total guess.

mussop
03-03-2014, 10:41 AM
i have a similar thinking towards Ealy. would love him have a top 10 grade on him but does he fit Roc's system?? im inclined to think not.

This is another guy people want to pigeon hole onto the DL. Do you not think he is athletic enough to playOLB?

Texian
03-03-2014, 10:42 AM
Which is why ( as crazy as it sounds) he would be a great fit IMO. His athleticism and size make him a fit all over the place. He could play the elephant or DE in passing situations and ILB on running plays. His versatility makes him more valuable. People need to stop thinking of him as just an undersized DL. He could be so much more.

Donald is a GREAT fit for Wade Phillips one gap penetrating attack the football D but not so much for Romeo Crennel's gap control hold your ground D.

steelbtexan
03-03-2014, 10:43 AM
How would you compare Kony Ealy to Tamba Hali?

I see Crichton as being a very good version of Hali in RC's defense.

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 10:46 AM
Donald is a GREAT fit for Wade Phillips one gap penetrating attack the football D but not so much for Romeo Crennel's gap control hold your ground D.

Hmm, we actually agree on something....:highfive:

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 10:52 AM
Which is why ( as crazy as it sounds) he would be a great fit IMO. His athleticism and size make him a fit all over the place. He could play the elephant or DE in passing situations and ILB on running plays. His versatility makes him more valuable. People need to stop thinking of him as just an undersized DL. He could be so much more.

No, it doesn't. His size and skill set restrict him from being an every down player in RC's base scheme. He would purely be a sub package or pass rush situation guy. Is that what you want to do with your 2nd round pick?

It's not versatility when you are pigeon holed into playing him at certain positions on certain downs or in specific situations because he is not a fit for what you do on base downs.

Texian
03-03-2014, 10:58 AM
I see Crichton as being a very good version of Hali in RC's defense.

Crichton is about 30 lbs light to play in Romeo's past Ds. The history of Romeo's DE's have usually been of the 300 lb variety. This is why I eliminated many some very good 260-270 lb DE in the early rounds of my mock draft.

Hmm, we actually agree on something....:highfive:

Unfortunately, I would have loved to see Donald lined up opposite JJ Watt in Wade's D. I believe the two would have wreaked havoc. I think that Donald is the most like Watt of all DL in this draft.

mussop
03-03-2014, 11:07 AM
Donald is a GREAT fit for Wade Phillips one gap penetrating attack the football D but not so much for Romeo Crennel's gap control hold your ground D.

As a DE yes. That's not what I said.

Docs defense

His style is termed the “two-gap 3-4″ defense. At its base, that means you have three lineman with their hands in the dirt, typically two defensive ends that are big and strong enough to take on offensive tackles and tall enough to deter passes by the quarterback in the pocket (think of Tyson Jackson’s prototypical 6’4″, 296 lbs frame), and a humongous, bulky nose tackle that is built for getting low, absorbing punishment and administering immediate push against a hopelessly outsized center (think of Jerrell Powe’s prototypical 6’2″, 331 lbs frame). Then you have four linebackers: two passrushers on the edge (one who is a more one-dimensional pocket assaulter, and the other who is a swiss army knife of abilities), and two in the middle (one who is more of a line of scrimmage attacker, and the other who is more coverage-oriented). This earns Crennel’s defense the “3-4″ moniker, for those who didn’t already know.


Do you guys not think he is athletic enough for the bolded?

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:10 AM
Crichton is about 30 lbs light to play in Romeo's past Ds. The history of Romeo's DE's have usually been of the 300 lb variety. This is why I eliminated many some very good 260-270 lb DE in the early rounds of my mock draft.

I think he was talking about Crichton at OLB, not DE.

Unfortunately, I would have loved to see Donald lined up opposite JJ Watt in Wade's D. I believe the two would have wreaked havoc. I think that Donald is the most like Watt of all DL in this draft.

In our mock draft a while back, beerlover and I mocked Donald to the Texans under the premise that they would still be running Wade's defense. This was before Crennel was hired. The idea was that Antonio Smith would walk and Donald would take his place. When RC was hired, we immediately changed the pick. It's just not a fit.

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:14 AM
Do you guys not think he is athletic enough for the bolded?


You are focusing solely on athleticism and neglecting skill sets.

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 11:16 AM
2014 pro days schedule by date (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326264/article/2014-pro-days-schedule)

Walter Football Pro Day Notes (http://walterfootball.com/proday.php)

March 3
Concordia (Minn.)
Minnesota
Mississippi
Pittsburgh

AAron Donald, Ra'Shede Hageman, Donte Moncrief today among others.

Texian
03-03-2014, 11:26 AM
I think he was talking about Crichton at OLB, not DE.



In our mock draft a while back, beerlover and I mocked Donald to the Texans under the premise that they would still be running Wade's defense. This was before Crennel was hired. The idea was that Antonio Smith would walk and Donald would take his place. When RC was hired, we immediately changed the pick. It's just not a fit.

Apparently I don't see the 273 lb Crichton who runs a 4.84 40 as a OLB. I guess he could but he has always played with his hand in the dirt.

I too, had Donald at 2-1 in an early draft of mine. That is now void because Donald goes in Top 15 IMO and w/ addition of Crennel, Donald does not fit that defense.

I expect Crennel's D to better against the run but not as good vs the pass. And I have some real concern about how JJ Watt is going to transition to Crennel's D. Does JJ go back to a similar production of his days at Wisconsin????

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:37 AM
I expect Crennel's D to better against the run but not as good vs the pass. And I have some real concern about how JJ Watt is going to transition to Crennel's D. Does JJ go back to a similar production of his days at Wisconsin????


They will need a solid NT to hold up to the run and another ILB. I don't see how our personnel fits RC's style. I also have a problem with asking your best pass rusher to two-gap. That doesn't seem like a good idea. I realize they will play out of base and they will sub-package, but in your base defense you are asking your biggest playmaker to take double teams. I don't like it.

mussop
03-03-2014, 12:45 PM
You are focusing solely on athleticism and neglecting skill sets.

Please explain what skill set you are talking about?

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 01:05 PM
Khalil Mack, Mike Evans lead most important pro days of week
By Gil Brandt (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330337/article/khalil-mack-mike-evans-lead-most-important-pro-days-of-week)
Pro day will be in full swing this week, and as several players go through their workouts and have their results posted, you might notice something a little strange in the numbers.

Many of the 40 times posted on pro days might be slower or faster than the times you saw at Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine. It's important to understand why.

In 1970, the Dallas Cowboys gave a $25,000 grant to Penn State Unviersity to do a comprehensive study on 40-yard dash times related to surface as well as the shoes used for running these sprints. The results were interesting and showed that, sure enough, running on grass resulted in slower times than running on turf, like the kind they had at Lucas Oil Stadium, the site of the combine -- on average, the times on grass were about .12 seconds slower than on turf.

So for example, if a player runs on grass and posts a 40 time of 4.65, he's going to run about a 4.53 on turf. Teams take this into account when they track 40 times that are run on different surfaces, and like to convert the times to a uniform surface when they sort the numbers.

The Penn State study also found that there is a slight difference in times when players run in cleated football shoes, which are traditionally used on grass, and spiked shoes. Runners who used spiked shoes ran about .03 seconds faster. That means that a guy who runs a 4.65 40 on grass and in football shoes would have a time of about 4.50 on turf and in spikes.

Keep this in mind as you're looking through the 40 times from pro day, and don't be surprised if there's a difference in the numbers from Indianapolis.

Here's a quick rundown of this week's pro-day workouts, and the one or two things I'll be most interested in for each one:...

Teddy Bridgewater, Michael Sam facing make-or-break pro days (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330245/article/teddy-bridgewater-michael-sam-facing-makeorbreak-pro-days)
The 2014 NFL Scouting Combine is in the books, but several prospects still have plenty of questions to answer heading into their pro day workouts. After checking in with several scouts and coaches over the past few days, I've come up with 10 burning questions that must be answered in workouts over the coming months:

1) Is Teddy Bridgewater a legitimate franchise quarterback?
...
2) Can Johnny Manziel excel as a pocket passer?
...
3) Can Blake Bortles develop into an elite NFL quarterback?
...
4) Is Jadeveon Clowney worthy of the No. 1 overall pick?
...
5) Can Cyrus Kouandjio bounce back from a poor combine?
...
6) What is Ryan Shazier's best position as a pro?
...
7) Can De'Anthony Thomas make an impact as a specialty player?
...
8) Does Ka'Deem Carey have enough explosiveness to be a feature back?
...
9) Is Jarvis Landry fast enough to be a No. 1 receiver?
...
10) Will Michael Sam show enough athleticism to merit a draftable grade?
...

HOU-TEX
03-03-2014, 04:57 PM
O'Brien at Pitt watching QB Tom Savage

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline · 25m
Houston Texas coach Bill O'Brien at Pittsburgh pro-day for QB Tom Savage...requested Savage throw specific routes at the end of workout...

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 05:05 PM
Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez
Even so, Savage was happy with his Pro Day performance. Met with HCs Chip Kelly & Bill O'Brien after his workout.

.@GoPittFootball QB Tom Savage only had 1 WR (Devin Street) for Pro Day. One WR couldn't go because of bad wrist; No other options available

O'Brien at Pitt watching QB Tom Savage


Kevin Weidl ‏@KevinW_ESPN
Heard Donald sat on his combine #'s at Pitt's pro day. No surprise. Savage threw well. Impressive arm strength/accuracy, in cold conditions.
Gil Brandt highlighted Savage's arm at the Combine.

2014 Pro Days: Pittsburgh DT Donald continues climb (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24466052/pro-days-penn-state-dt-donald-continues-climb)
Bill O'Brien of the Houston Texans made Pitt his first pro day stop as an NFL head coach. Four quarterbacks coaches and Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly were also in attendance according to Pitt's Sports Information Department.
...
Quarterback Tom Savage, who could be a late-round riser, went through a scripted workout of 100 passes. Savage (6-4, 228), has the arm strength to be at least a quality backup.

A two-time transfer, Savage said he patiently explains to scouts that his travels should not be a red flag. But his limited experience against FBS defenses do complicate Savage's evaluation. Savage, who also attended Rutgers and Arizona, said it doesn't have to be a negative.

"I've been in three different systems, probably four or five different offensive coordinators. I don't even know anymore I've been to so many schools," Savage said. "You kind of have to pick it up on the run. You have to learn on your own. At Pittsburgh, I had to walk on and earn my spot. I had to pick up the offense and learn it by myself. Being ineligible you can't offer to much to the team. You really have to grind in the film room and pick it up on your own, kind of like the NFL will be. There will be veterans that know the playbook. They're not going to slow down for some rookie."

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 05:08 PM
Please explain what skill set you are talking about?

Donald is an insanely explosive gap penetrator off the snap. He excels in one-on-one situations because he's quicker than the guy across from him and strong enough to disengage. He gets upfield fast and makes plays. You're talking about taking him out of those kind of situations (that he excels in) and putting him in situations where he has no experience. Playing OLB? Playing ILB? The biggest flaw in his game is his weakness against double teams and he's going to be a 3-4 DE? Running a fast 40 or doing a bunch of bench reps doesn't suddenly make him capable of playing certain positions.

You don't take a guy with an explosive first step and inside penetrating ability and move him off the ball or to the edge. You like the guy and want him on the Texans. No issue with that, I love the guy. But he doesn't fit with the presumed defense RC is going to run. You're trying to square peg him into the system because you like him. This is the same kind of thing that ruined Glenn Dorsey's career.

You can find ways to implement a guy like him into your scheme, but not at the cost of a 1st-2nd round pick. Do you really want to use a high pick on a sub-package and situation specific player or do you want to use it on an every down starter?

steelbtexan
03-03-2014, 05:16 PM
Crichton is about 30 lbs light to play in Romeo's past Ds. The history of Romeo's DE's have usually been of the 300 lb variety. This is why I eliminated many some very good 260-270 lb DE in the early rounds of my mock draft.



Unfortunately, I would have loved to see Donald lined up opposite JJ Watt in Wade's D. I believe the two would have wreaked havoc. I think that Donald is the most like Watt of all DL in this draft.

I see Crichton playing an identical role as Hali/McGinest.

Donalad could become another Watt. I believe he has that kind of ability. Luckily he want be there at 2-1. He's a bad fit for RC's defense.

Texian
03-03-2014, 06:03 PM
I see Crichton playing an identical role as Hali/McGinest.

Elephant - Yeah, I guess he could. I hadn't given it much thought until now. I guess that is because Mercilus and Reed are starters on the depth chart.

aussie_texan
03-03-2014, 06:28 PM
How would you compare Kony Ealy to Tamba Hali?

This is another guy people want to pigeon hole onto the DL. Do you not think he is athletic enough to playOLB?

This is interesting i have always looked at him as a DE or if he put on 10lbs a 34DE never as an OLB.

Im certainly not trying to pigeon hole him.
He has the athleticism and I have seen him drop back a couple of times throughout his college career so it shouldn't be a massive problem for him to move to OLB.

I never thought of the player in this regard but i like the idea, will definitely look into it more

otisbean
03-03-2014, 06:35 PM
Elephant - Yeah, I guess he could. I hadn't given it much thought until now. I guess that is because Mercilus and Reed are starters on the depth chart.

Donald at OLB is interesting, he had a 1.59 10, that's impressive for 304. If he dropped to the 270 range he'd be crazy explosive

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2014, 07:44 PM
Donald at OLB is interesting, he had a 1.59 10, that's impressive for 304. If he dropped to the 270 range he'd be crazy explosive

Isn't Donald closer to 285 than 304?

Or are we talking about Ealy here?

otisbean
03-03-2014, 07:51 PM
Isn't Donald closer to 285 than 304?

Or are we talking about Ealy here?

CBS had him at 304

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24455479/nfl-combine-clowney-posts-447-second-unofficial-40-time

I didn't think he was that big either. I thought he was in the 280 range as well
Either way, he's not lean. If he dropped body fat, he'd become much more explosive

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 08:01 PM
Isn't Donald closer to 285 than 304?


6'0 3/4", 285 ibs.

Honoring Earl 34
03-03-2014, 08:03 PM
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2014/03/03/offensive-thoughts-post-combine/

Number19
03-03-2014, 09:59 PM
O'Brien at Pitt watching QB Tom Savage

...Kind of wondering why OB would be in Pittsburg scouting a QB expected to be a very late round selection, if not a FA. But Pittsburg is not that far from the Buffalo Bulls pro day tomorrow. Crennel should be there also.

beerlover
03-03-2014, 10:04 PM
Kind of wondering why OB would be in Pittsburg scouting a QB expected to be a very late round selection, if not a FA. But Pittsburg is not that far from the Buffalo Bulls pro day tomorrow. Crennel should be there also.

Bortles > Mathews > Savage

all three fit what OB is looking to develop.

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2014, 10:56 PM
Bortles > Mathews > Savage

all three fit what OB is looking to develop.

Which is?

What has OB himself actually said?

Smart?

mussop
03-04-2014, 12:04 AM
Donald is an insanely explosive gap penetrator off the snap. He excels in one-on-one situations because he's quicker than the guy across from him and strong enough to disengage. He gets upfield fast and makes plays. You're talking about taking him out of those kind of situations (that he excels in) and putting him in situations where he has no experience. Playing OLB? Playing ILB? The biggest flaw in his game is his weakness against double teams and he's going to be a 3-4 DE? Running a fast 40 or doing a bunch of bench reps doesn't suddenly make him capable of playing certain positions.

You don't take a guy with an explosive first step and inside penetrating ability and move him off the ball or to the edge. You like the guy and want him on the Texans. No issue with that, I love the guy. But he doesn't fit with the presumed defense RC is going to run. You're trying to square peg him into the system because you like him. This is the same kind of thing that ruined Glenn Dorsey's career.

You can find ways to implement a guy like him into your scheme, but not at the cost of a 1st-2nd round pick. Do you really want to use a high pick on a sub-package and situation specific player or do you want to use it on an every down starter?

This is a scouting report on Hali.

Positives: Has a relentless motor and explosive quickness in pursuit … Shows good leg drive and lower body strength to plant, drive and redirect with no loss of acceleration … Has a sudden burst into the backfield and can slip off an offensive tackle's outside shoulder with his quickness off the edge … Shows the valid speed to pursue ballcarriers into the second level … Stays low in his pads to slip past some trash … All-out hustler who plays until the whistle … Solid wrap-up tackler who takes good angles in pursuit and uses his hands well to lock on, drag down and make the hit … Has a good understanding of blocking schemes and is an explosive hitter when he beats a block … Has the long arms needed to reach out, lock on and get a piece of the ballcarriers when chasing along the perimeter.

Negatives: Lacks ideal size and his frame is at maximum growth potential … Does not have the upper body strength to stack and control … Size issues come into play when working in-line, as bigger blockers simply engulf him and when trying to shoot the inside gaps, he can be ridden out by a strong lead block (see 2005 South Florida and Cincinnati games) … Gets into the backfield quickly, but sometimes over-pursues the play due to his reckless abandon (needs to play with better control) … Beats the blocker around the edge, but has to be more active with his hands to combat counter moves and double teams … Relies more on his burst and quickness to get to the quarterback, failing to use an array of pass rush moves (effective rip, but struggles with club moves and rarely uses a swim) … Does not have the loose hips or pass drop agility to possibly make a move to linebacker.

Hali lacks ideal size and is close to maximum growth potential on his frame. However, he has good lower body muscle definition to generate a strong base and a big bubble. He does not have good upper body muscle tone and has to rely on his outstanding initial burst and explosion to defeat blockers coming off the edge rather than generate a power charge. His best asset is his pursuit speed and agility. He shows good balance on the move and is very active with his hands to combat low blocks at his legs.

Hali is a disruptive force in the backfield. He has the ability to explode past blockers when he stays low in his pads and comes off the snap with good urgency. He has good instincts and awareness to locate the ball and knows where the quarterback is. He flows to the ball well in backside pursuit and has the sustained speed to attack ballcarriers along the perimeter.

He is better vs. the pass than the run, as he sometimes generates poor hand placement, which lets blockers get into his chest to lock on. He has a good change of direction burst from the outside, but gets washed out by the bigger linemen when trying to get through inside trash, thus the move from tackle to end two years ago. Still, he is very competitive and rarely will you ever see him shut down on a play, even when beaten.

His lack of size causes him problems trying to play off double teams, but he has the flexibility to escape with his lateral moves. With his long arm length, he needs to do a better job of protecting his upper body from getting stymied on initial contact, but he lacks the strength to be effective winning battles vs. the larger offensive tackles.

Hali is best when given room to roam. He has an excellent closing burst and the redirection skills to make plays working down the line. He shows very good acceleration when dropping off to level two and showed in 2005 that he greatly improved his pass rush burst and rip-and-swim moves. He is an all-out hustler who can make plays in space on a consistent basis. He gets a quick push off the snap and while he certainly needs to shed better, he comes off the edge with good urgency.

In the past, Hali would burst into the backfield and get too reckless in his pursuit, getting taken out of the play. He showed better angles shooting the gaps as a senior, but his size and lack of upper body strength still make him a liability working around the pile. When he moves inside as a situational pass rusher, offensive tackles are quick to engulf him.

His all-out hustle will make him a very effective edge rusher, but only if given a free lane to the quarterback. Considering that offensive linemen are bigger, stronger and more physical at the pro level, a team will have to strongly consider if Hali is worth using a first-round draft pick on. He might be best served playing in obvious passing situations only. With little room for additional growth on his frame, "what you see, is what you get" here.

Tell me that doesn't sound like they are describing Donald. Minus a few of the negatives.

Here is what Roc did with Hali in KC.

Summary: When Romeo Crennel took over the defense in Kansas City, he wisely schemed Hali to match up against the open side where he exceled at Penn State, and it led to a surge in production that has carried into his sixth season. What he lacks in speed he compensates for with his relentless pursuit and effort. A versatile performer, Hali moved from defensive tackle to end in college and proved he could transition to OLB in the Chiefs' new defense, traits that endeared him to a new regime and led to a whopping extension in the offseason.

Now tell me what Hali had coming out that Donald doesn't. Donald is faster and uses his hands better and is stronger. He had better numbers in every single event they did at the combine. I think Crennel would use him exactly like he did Hali in KC. I know it won't happen but I have no doubt Donald could do it and do it well.

beerlover
03-04-2014, 12:18 AM
quick cut to the chase - from a source bout close as I can find to OB both in New England & Penn State.

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/03/nfl_draft_2014_blake_bortles_i.html

1. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida: Of all the quality attributes Bortles has — size, athleticism, arm strength — familiarity is his biggest asset to the Texans. O’Brien’s mentor, George O’Leary, tutored Bortles at UCF, and together they soundly beat O'Brien's Penn State team last season. Bortles’ flaws are largely correctable, which fit right in with O’Brien’s strengths as a coach. Bortles has Pro Bowl potential with that kind of tutelage.

guess this would count as chatter/rumors/news

damn you Texain.

anyway Bortles is currently graded as #5 prospect overall & 2nd QB after Bridgewater according to NFLDRAFTSCOUT. 6-5 232

actaully I see that he has Savage graded just ahead of Mathews, 13th & 16th QB's respectively, so should have reversed the arrows. Savage is 6-4 228 Mathews 6-4 223. Both posses the frame, intelligence & arm OB likes. Just saying those last two may go sooner than expected & that the Texans will be the ones pulling the trigger. As for Bortles, Smith has to prove his mettle & maximize the #1 overall selection value, so I'm thinking a trade down with Cleveland, Oakland or Atlanta may be in the offing.

infantrycak
03-04-2014, 12:23 AM
Both posses the frame, intelligence & arm OB likes.

If OB likes arm strength I am not sure why Bortles would be high on his list, although I guess he could figure it is fixable.

aussie_texan
03-04-2014, 01:13 AM
so the texans have met with bortles, mettenberger, savage and now a rumour comes out about us looking at brock osweiler. all are above 6.5 interesting???

thunderkyss
03-04-2014, 07:17 AM
This is a scouting report on Hali.

Positives: Has a relentless motor and explosive quickness in pursuit … Shows good leg drive and lower body strength to plant, drive and redirect with no loss of acceleration … Has a sudden burst into the backfield and can slip off an offensive tackle's outside shoulder with his quickness off the edge … Shows the valid speed to pursue ballcarriers into the second level … Stays low in his pads to slip past some trash … All-out hustler who plays until the whistle … Solid wrap-up tackler who takes good angles in pursuit and uses his hands well to lock on, drag down and make the hit … Has a good understanding of blocking schemes and is an explosive hitter when he beats a block … Has the long arms needed to reach out, lock on and get a piece of the ballcarriers when chasing along the perimeter.

Negatives: Lacks ideal size and his frame is at maximum growth potential … Does not have the upper body strength to stack and control …


Tell me that doesn't sound like they are describing Donald. Minus a few of the negatives.


Biggest difference to me is that Donald is an inside player. I think there should be some drop off when you're taking a DE & converting him to OLB, even if he'll be primarily rushing the QB.

There should definitely be a hit when converting a guy from DT to OLB.

Number19
03-04-2014, 07:56 AM
Bortles > Mathews > Savage

all three fit what OB is looking to develop.

We are not going to get any solid information from the Texans as to what their draft strategy will be. All we have are clues. Scouting prospects expected to go that deep, likely a third day pick, shows that the organization definately is considering options other than a QB at 1-1. But beyond this, which is not unexpected, is the clue that we may not take QB until the third day.

Playoffs
03-04-2014, 10:33 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5yxKsCIAA3hSx.jpg
Scouts getting together to coordinate official times

Knox Bardeen ‏@knoxbardeen
Dee Ford has not looked good in passing drills. Looked lost covering seam route twice. Didn't turn his hips well or catch the ball

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs
#49ers and #Texans both put Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo through private workout already today at NU

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko
According to Auburn Officials Dee Ford ran a 4.59 in the 40 today... improves to a 4.53 40 on his 2nd run

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Early word from Auburn: Chris Davis/CB-RS 40.5 inch vertical & Dee Ford 29 reps on bench...Told former Auburn DB Demetruce McNeal working out

Jeff Reynolds ‏@ReynoldsJD
Jim Harbaugh and Bill O'Brien are together today -- well, in the same place. Where? Northwestern, but star attraction is Jimmy Garopollo:throwball:

Jeff Reynolds ‏@ReynoldsJD
Dee Ford weighed in at 244 pounds Tuesday at Auburn's pro day. Clearly pushing for OLB designation.
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Robinson 5 lbs lighter. RT @wareagleextra: A few measurements/weights:
Tre Mason: 5-8 and a half, 205
Greg Robinson: 6-5, 327

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
Buffalo's Khalil Mack ran [b]4.55 today for approx 20 teams. Browns' Pettine, Raiders' McKenzie, Bills' Whaley among them http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24467537/pro-days-buffalos-mack-runs-453-455 …
Ryan McCrystal ‏@Ryan_McCrystal

Surface/Wind may seem like a minor influence but when we're talking the difference between 4.50 and 4.45, it plays a huge role.

Many schools have players run on surfaces that tend to time faster than in Indy. Some also run outdoors w/ the wind.

As we enter Pro Day season, remember to take all 40 times with a giant grain of salt. Not all running surfaces/conditions created equal.

Another sleeper working out today: Isaiah Crowell @ Alabama State.. former top RB recruit at UGA, kicked out after felony weapons charges

Notable players working out today: Khalil Mack (Buffalo), Jimmy Garoppolo (@ Northwestern's Pro Day), Greg Robinson, T.Mason & Dee Ford (Auburn)

Today's Pro Days: Alabama State, Auburn, Buffalo, Eastern Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Slippery Rock, SMU

Playoffs
03-04-2014, 10:40 AM
Six Plays That Make Me A Fan Of WR Odell Beckham’s Game (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/02/04/six-plays-that-make-me-a-fan-of-wr-odell-beckhams-game/)

2014 NFL Draft: Hageman, Moncrief And Savage Lead Pro Day Circuit's Day One (http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2014-nfl-draft-hageman-moncrief-and-savage-lead-pro-day-circuit-s-day-one.html)

Horrific knee injury didn't ruin Henry Josey's career—it made him better than ever (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-03-03/2014-nfl-draft-henry-josey-running-back-missouri-comeback-knee-injury-40-combine-scouting-report-analysis)



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thunderkyss
03-04-2014, 10:40 AM
Rob Rang ‏@RobRang

Ryan McCrystal ‏@Ryan_McCrystalJimmy Garoppolo (@ Northwestern's Pro Day)


Northwestern?? odd.

beerlover
03-04-2014, 10:49 AM
If OB likes arm strength I am not sure why Bortles would be high on his list, although I guess he could figure it is fixable.

What was Tom Brady velocity coming out of College compared to Blake Bortles?

PRO DAYS
Aaron Donald validates dominant combine workout
Gil Brandt
By Gil Brandt |
Published: March 3rd, 2014 | Tags: Aaron Donald, Devin Street, Pittsburgh, Tom Savage

Representatives from 30 NFL teams — including new Houston Texans coach Bill O’Brien, as well as Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly and offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur — gathered at Pittsburgh’s pro day on March 3, where 10 players worked out indoors on FieldTurf.

Fast-rising 2014 NFL Draft prospect Aaron Donald (6-foot-1, 287 pounds) stood on his impressive numbers from the NFL Scouting Combine, where he ran a 4.68-second 40-yard dash, had 35 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press, registered a 32-inch vertical jump and 116-inch broad jump, and drew rave reviews for his performance.

Donald only went through field drills and looked very good, showing fluid movement and substantiating the performance he displayed at the combine.

There were two other players from Pitt at the combine, and here is how their pro days transpired:

Tom Savage, QB (6-4, 225) — Savage stood on his numbers from the combine, and only threw at the pro day. Savage displayed velocity on his throws, which were all to receiver Devin Street

infantrycak
03-04-2014, 10:59 AM
What was Tom Brady velocity coming out of College compared to Blake Bortles?

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Don't know and don't care much. I always thought the arm knock on Schaub was overplayed, but right now Bortles is closer to Schaub than to Mallett/Flacco. As I said, he may be able to improve it like Brady did.

DX-TEX
03-04-2014, 11:23 AM
Northwestern?? odd.

Eastern Illinois doesn't have a pro day. Not exactly a hot bed for potential NFL prospects

Playoffs
03-04-2014, 12:24 PM
To finish up from yesterday, I’m told Pittsburgh quarterback Tom Savage was very impressive throwing the ball, connecting on most of the 100+ passes he tossed. As I posted on twitter, Houston Texans coach Bill O’Brien requested Savage throw a few specific sprint out passes at the end of the workout. I’m told to date Savage has six private workouts on his schedule.http://walterfootball.com/proday.php

2014 NFL Draft: Texans, 49ers work out Garoppolo (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24467867/nfl-draft-texans-49ers-work-out-garoppolo)

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko
Pro day times are more important for players haven't posted a number yet or ones that I think had something go wrong with their combine #'s

The next time a prospect runs a slower 40 time at their pro day than the Combine will be the first. I'll note it, but many variables

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Numerous media outlets at the Auburn pro day are pointing out Colts obvious interest in Tre Mason’s workout.

Texian
03-04-2014, 05:05 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24458767/nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule

aussie_texan
03-04-2014, 06:14 PM
.

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida (COM)
Aaron Donald, DL, Pittsburgh (COM)
Dee Ford, DL, Auburn (COM)
Ra'Shede Hageman, DL, Minnesota (SR)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana (SR)



Updated list of player meetings. bolded are new entrants

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida (COM)
Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville (COM)
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State (COM)
Aaron Donald, DL, Pittsburgh (COM)
Dee Ford, DL, Auburn (COM)
Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois (PRO)
Demetri Goodson, DB, Baylor (COM)
Ra'Shede Hageman, DL, Minnesota (SR)
Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M (COM)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana (SR)

SR - Senior bowl
COM - combine
PRO - Pro day

mussop
03-04-2014, 06:56 PM
Updated list of player meetings. bolded are new entrants

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida (COM)
Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville (COM)
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State (COM)
Aaron Donald, DL, Pittsburgh (COM)
Dee Ford, DL, Auburn (COM)
Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois (PRO)
Demetri Goodson, DB, Baylor (COM)
Ra'Shede Hageman, DL, Minnesota (SR)
Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M (COM)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana (SR)

SR - Senior bowl
COM - combine
PRO - Pro day

Don't see Clowney on there. Hmmm.

CloakNNNdagger
03-04-2014, 09:29 PM
What was Tom Brady velocity coming out of College compared to Blake Bortles?

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Can't tell you coming out of college, but in April 2009, this amazing video was generated:

ESPN’s “Sport Science” feature [VIDEO] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4) uncovered the football throwing speed of one leading quarterback when it tested New Orleans Saint Drew Brees against an Olympic archer to see which could more accurately hit the bull’s eye on an archery target. In the process of hitting the bull’s eye on each of his first 12 tries, Brees threw at 52 mph. The ball had a launch angle of 6 degrees and spun at 600 rpm. Aerodynamic forces kept the nose of the ball moving right on target, with the ball displaying the optimal and necessary three small wobbles for five spins of the ball. Brees creates speed on the ball by what he calls the “kinetic chain”: power that rises from his feet to his hips, shoulder and finally throwing arm. Brees demonstrated how the index finger comes off the ball last, giving it its final push.

infantrycak
03-04-2014, 10:04 PM
Can't tell you coming out of college, but in April 2009, this amazing video was generated:

Drew's throwing is impressive but they shouldn't have mucked it up with a fake archery comparison. Olympic archery is shot at 86.4 yds not 20.

Playoffs
03-05-2014, 10:36 AM
Big day for Pro Days today...
Arkansas
Central Michigan
Fordham
Miami OHIO
Mississippi State
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Texas A&M
Wisconsin

A total of 20 NFL teams gathered in Madison, Wis. to see 10 Badgers prospects work out indoors on FieldTurf. A defensive backs coach from the Philadelphia Eagles and a linebackers coach from the Baltimore Ravens were on hand for the workout.

Borland, LB (247 pounds) — Borland ran the 40-yard dash in 4.84 and 4.87 seconds. He had a 35-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-8 broad jump. He moved really well in the positional drills, a lot better than his times would indicate. He displayed really good anticipation, which was a hallmark of his college career. Borland will be a very interesting player in terms of where he’ll get selected in the draft.

Abbrederis, WR (he didn’t get measured or weighed) — Abbrederis...worked out great, having a pro day that was classified as “great.” One of the Oakland Raiders scouts on hand for the pro day threw passes to Abbrederis, who ran good routes, displayed good speed and caught the ball well.

James White, RB (206) — White...caught the ball well, but otherwise had the sort of workout that would indicate he’s more of a backup than a starter at the NFL level.

Ryan Groy, G (320) — Groy... had a good workout in the line drills.

Jacob Pedersen, TE (238) — Pedersen ran the 40 in 4.87 and 4.89 seconds. He also caught the ball well from the Raiders scout on hand to play quarterback in the passing drills.

Dezmen Southward, FS (6-foot-0 7/8, 212) — Southward... ran the 40 in 4.41 and 4.38 seconds... He had a 42-inch vertical jump and a 10-4 broad jump... had a 4.41-second short shuttle, a 11.50 60-yard long shuttle, and three-cone drill in 6.73 and 6.50 seconds.

2014 Pro Days: Jake Matthews draws crowd at Texas A&M workout (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24469374/pro-days-texas-am-ot-matthews-draws-crowd)

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
Jake Matthews is just incredibly fluid in all of his movement and change of direction drills. Rams OL coach (Boudreau) working him out.
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Per Gil, TB, CAR and MIN are the three. RT @Rotoworld_Draft: Billy Turner has three team visits scheduled

Playoffs
03-05-2014, 11:44 AM
Bryan Broaddus on Bridgewater/Ealy/Kelvin Benjamin (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-BryanBroaddusBlog/Broaddus-Highly-Ranked-QB-Has-Few-Alarming-Flaws/1326ea84-2c0d-44a4-b674-e1edb1fa75f0?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
One of the questions I keep getting asked is not so much about the best players, but guys with some red flags or concerns.

As I work my way through these players for the upcoming NFL Draft, there are always several highly thought of prospects that if I were running a draft for a club that I would not consider for one reason or another...

TexansFTW
03-05-2014, 03:02 PM
Bryan Broaddus on Bridgewater/Ealy/Kelvin Benjamin (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/article-BryanBroaddusBlog/Broaddus-Highly-Ranked-QB-Has-Few-Alarming-Flaws/1326ea84-2c0d-44a4-b674-e1edb1fa75f0?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

He was never going to like anyone not named Blake Bortles or Zach Mettenberger no matter what they did on the field in 2013.

Playoffs
03-05-2014, 07:12 PM
The Alabama team doctor says OT Cyrus Kouandjio's surgically-repaired knee "shouldn't affect his ability to play in the NFL in the short term."
Leaving the door open for longevity concerns, of course. Kouandjio was diagnosed with an arthritic knee stemming from a "failed" college surgery, and several teams failed him on Combine medical exams. Kouandjio tore his ACL and MCL as a freshman and has minor cartilage wear in the knee. Once a projected top-20 pick, the 6-foot-7 tackle ran the slowest forty at the Combine (5.59) and is likely staring at a major draft-day slide. Mar 5 - 2:31 PM
Source: NFL.com

Ummm... :thinking:

thunderkyss
03-05-2014, 07:54 PM
The Alabama team doctor says OT Cyrus Kouandjio's surgically-repaired knee "shouldn't affect his ability to play in the NFL in the short term."


Ummm... :thinking:

Robinson is looking much better @ 1-1

Playoffs
03-06-2014, 10:45 AM
Clemson Pro Day LIVE here: http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/1750644/Clemson-Pro-Day

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiDi2ntCAAAY4p2.jpg
Stevie #^&*&%#%#ing Football (http://pauljenkins.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/steve-smith-jumping.jpg) with Sammy Watkins

Pro Day list for Thursday: Clemson, Nebraska, Cincinnati, TCU, Illinois, Arizona, Alcorn State, Furman, Jackson State

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Scouts raving about Sammy Watkins pro-day...one claiming "best pro-day workout I've ever seen from a receiver": http://walterfootball.com/proday.php
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Despite needing shoulder surgery, TCU's Jason Verrett did 19 reps of 225 today. Matches how physical he plays on film.
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Bashaud Breeland's unofficial forty time at Clemson's pro day was 4.55.

thunderkyss
03-07-2014, 05:28 PM
2014 NFL.com Draft grades (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade).


7.5 JaDeveon Clowney
7.0 Sammy Watkins
6.7 Greg Robinson
6.7 Khalil Mack
6.7 Jake Matthews
6.6 Anthony Barr
6.5 Cj Mosley
6.4 Eric Ebron
6.4 Kelvin Benjamin
6.4 Blake Bortles
6.3 Justin Gilbert
6.3 Teddy Bridgewater

CloakNNNdagger
03-07-2014, 05:50 PM
Pretty impressive numbers.

Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine because of a tweaked hamstring. At his Friday Pro Day, he tweaked it again at the end of the run.

And yet he still covered the 120 feet in 4.36 seconds. Unofficially.

Yes, a linebacker ran the 40 in 4.37 seconds. And he weighed 237 pounds, more than the scouts expected.

“I feel like I can gain 10 more pounds if I had to,” Shazier said, via Cleveland.com. “I feel good right now.”

At the Scouting Combine, Shazier also sprang 42 inches in the vertical jump, more than anyone.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/07/ryan-shazier-blazes-at-osu-pro-day/)

_King_
03-07-2014, 08:58 PM
Now that's an athletic mofo.

There's some talent in this draft for sure. Lot-o-freaks.

Playoffs
03-07-2014, 09:19 PM
Now that's an athletic mofo.

There's some talent in this draft for sure. Lot-o-freaks.

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/shazier.jpg

steelbtexan
03-08-2014, 10:48 AM
He was never going to like anyone not named Blake Bortles or Zach Mettenberger no matter what they did on the field in 2013.

Just like your not going to like another QB not named Bridgewater.

You must not read many other posts. Broaddus top QB is Brett Smith. I can understand how this can happen with all of your Bridgewater mental masturbation.

Playoffs
03-08-2014, 12:08 PM
Ryan Mallett threw at Arkansas' Pro Day (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2309286#post2309286)


Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport
A handful of evaluators have greater confidence re: Buffalo LB Khalil Mack than Jadeveon Clowney. Mack's skills, consistency & versatility



* Blake Bortles' stock has taken as wild of a swing as I've ever seen in a three-week span. Heading into the combine, Bortles was largely touted as a potential No. 1 overall pick.

Now? Team scouts aren't as in love with him after seeing him in person. Bortles could still go first overall, but that is based more on need than talent.

* The league-wide reaction to Khalil Mack's pro day was expected, but still impressive. One team scout I spoke with following Mack's 4.55-second 40-yard dash said he doesn't expect the attacking University of Buffalo edge-defender to make it out of the top five picks.

* Everyone loves sleeper quarterbacks, and one name to keep in mind is Tom Savage from Pitt. With 30 NFL teams represented at the team's pro day (many to see defensive tackle Aaron Donald), Savage wowed teams with his big arm and footwork. A late-to-middle-round project at the position, Savage's stock is on the rise.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1983364-2014-nfl-draft-matt-millers-scouting-notebook


Purdue offensive tackle Kevin Pamphile is generating buzz as an ascending draft prospect (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Purdue-offensive-lineman-Pamphile-on-the-rise.html)
The athletic 6-foot-4 1/2, 311-pounder ran the 40-yard dash in 4.92 and 4.94 seconds with a 10-yard split of 1.69 seconds. He had a 32-inch vertical leap and a 9-foot broad jump, also bench pressing 225 pounds 25 times.

According to one NFL scout that attended the workout, Pampile "looked very athletic and fluid in his movement skill and positional work. He had a great day and really helped himself."

Pampile has several upcoming private workouts scheduedl.

Among the teams displaying interest in Pampile: the New York Giants, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, Houston Texans, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams and Jacksonville Jaguars.

TexansFTW
03-10-2014, 09:11 AM
Broaddus top QB is Brett Smith.

Even worse.

I said before I'd get behind Blake Bortles, but I'd be incredibly disappointed with passing on TB.

Playoffs
03-11-2014, 02:43 PM
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Ran an "official" 4.66 at the Combine RT @EdwardLewisBSR: #UCLA LB Anthony Barr ran a 4.45 40 out here at the Pro Day today.Can you say fast surface, itchy trigger finger??? :hmmm:


Yawin Smallwood did not run but participated in position drills. Smallwood, whom I'm told has been struggling with a bad hamstring for more than a month, ran just one forty at the combine, timing an official 5.01s electronically and a hand-timed best of 4.99s.

Jordan Zumwalt posted a 4.61,

Max Bullough checked in at 245 at his Pro Day, posting a 4.69 forty-time

_King_
03-11-2014, 02:46 PM
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Can you say fast surface, itchy trigger finger??? :hmmm:


...

That's why I don't really even pay attention to pro day 40's or if a guy was injured or didn't participate at the combine I'll add time to their pro day 40.

Not that the 40 is the b.a.e.a, but it's still a nice tool to use..

Playoffs
03-11-2014, 03:34 PM
On the Clock: Q&A with former Texas A&M WR Mike Evans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333030/article/on-the-clock-qa-with-former-texas-am-wr-mike-evans?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb)
You vs. Richard Sherman ... who wins that battle?

ME: ...I'm going to pick myself (in that matchup). I look forward to that day...

Playoffs
03-12-2014, 12:31 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiiqcJGCcAA90jd.jpg

A few scouts on hand for Alabama's Pro Day

March 12 Pro Days: Alabama, Boston College, Colorado, Colorado State, Eastern Washington, Marshall, Michigan, Nevada, Oklahoma, Rutgers, South Dakota, USC


P. Schrager ‏@PSchrags
I just asked Saban about Cyrus K's medical reports at combine. Saban is adamant that he's spoken to NFL several teams. Not one failed him.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 12:25 PM
2014 NFL Draft: Highlighting Prospects Who Aren't Getting Enough Hype (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype)
...highly skilled prospects seem to slip through the cracks as media and NFL personnel alike try to peg the best of the bunch.

Some prospects become household names before they even strap on an NFL helmet. Other guys manage highly successful collegiate careers, yet somehow seem to be lost in the shuffle.

It’s hard to say why certain guys get a first-class seat while others are left behind on the annual hype train headed straight for Radio City Music Hall.

Whatever the case may be, this list is a tribute to a few of those who were left scratching their head back at the train station while other names are quickly infused into our daily vernacular.

You may not be completely familiar with these prospects now, but before the sun sets on their careers years from now, you most likely will be...

bah007
03-13-2014, 12:33 PM
2014 NFL Draft: Highlighting Prospects Who Aren't Getting Enough Hype (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype)

Shaquil Barrett will be a steal for somebody in the 6th or 7th round. I'd move him inside and put him next to Cushing. He could really do some damage from inside.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 01:54 PM
March 13: Emporia State, Idaho, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Samford, UNLV, Washington State, Western Michigan


Welker/Edelman potential replacement...

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
New England Patriots presently working out Robert Herron 1-on-1 at Wyoming pro-day...

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 03:12 PM
Shaquil Barrett will be a steal for somebody in the 6th or 7th round. I'd move him inside and put him next to Cushing. He could really do some damage from inside.

Shaquil Barrett, OLB (http://blogs.nfl.com/2014/03/13/weston-richburg-of-colorado-state-poised-for-long-nfl-career/) (6-1 3/8, 251) — Barrett — the Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year for 2013 — ran the 40 in 4.78, 4.74 and 4.73 seconds. He had a 29-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-5 broad jump. He did the short shuttle in 4.42 seconds and the three-cone in 6.90 seconds. He performed 16 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press.

TexansFTW
03-13-2014, 04:46 PM
Shaquil Barrett, OLB (http://blogs.nfl.com/2014/03/13/weston-richburg-of-colorado-state-poised-for-long-nfl-career/) (6-1 3/8, 251) — Barrett — the Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year for 2013 — ran the 40 in 4.78, 4.74 and 4.73 seconds. He had a 29-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-5 broad jump. He did the short shuttle in 4.42 seconds and the three-cone in 6.90 seconds. He performed 16 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press.

His numbers seem pretty sorry to me. Pretty weak too for a Linebacker. All good though, if you're a gamer, you're a gamer and if Bah007 thinks there is a chance he can contribute late I definitely won't dismiss him.

Gonna need to get quicker and stronger though if he wants to compete on STs until he's ready to be molded into an NFL LB.

bah007
03-13-2014, 05:30 PM
His numbers seem pretty sorry to me. Pretty weak too for a Linebacker. All good though, if you're a gamer, you're a gamer and if Bah007 thinks there is a chance he can contribute late I definitely won't dismiss him.

Gonna need to get quicker and stronger though if he wants to compete on STs until he's ready to be molded into an NFL LB.

He's not a fantastic athlete, which is why I think he would be better served to move inside in the NFL. I don't think he's an edge rusher. But he's a football player. Some guys just have it when the pads are on. I don't think he'll ever be an All Pro or anything. But he'll give you more than you expect from a 6th/7th rounder.

When I watched Colorado St to check out Bibbs, this kid just jumped out on every single defensive series.

badboy
03-14-2014, 02:52 PM
I had mocked Tom Savage in 7th but he may slide to UDFA. Big boy with some skills & IIRC changed schools twice but once was new coach changed to different O style.

WolverineFan
03-14-2014, 02:58 PM
I had mocked Tom Savage in 7th but he may slide to UDFA. Big boy with some skills & IIRC changed schools twice but once was new coach changed to different O style.

Savage has impressed some people. Wouldn't be shocked if someone took a shot at him in the 5th or 6th round.

beerlover
03-14-2014, 05:14 PM
Savage has impressed some people. Wouldn't be shocked if someone took a shot at him in the 5th or 6th round.

If he is truely franchise material that just needs developled he could easily go higher than that just look how far Bortles has climbed :kubepalm:

Playoffs
03-14-2014, 06:35 PM
But he's a football player. Some guys just have it when the pads are on.

That's what I see. Nose for the ball, read/react, good tackler... quicker in pads than his times indicate, plays to the whistle. Nick pick up, 00.

Playoffs
03-15-2014, 10:12 AM
The Notebook: Timmy Jernigan has the power (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/14/5465948/timmy-jernigan-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report)

The Florida State defensive tackle powered through college football, but it'll take more than muscle to make it at the next level. Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White takes a closer look at Jernigan's future in the pros...

Playoffs
03-15-2014, 11:01 AM
Rising Sock Report: Who helped themselves with a strong pro day performance? Greg Gabriel (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rising-stock-report.html)

D’Anthony Thomas – Running Back – Oregon – Thomas ran his 40 in 4.35 while also having a 10’5” long jump. On the downside, he did only nine reps of 225. Thomas will be a specialty-type player in the NFL
Taylor Hart – Defensive Tackle – Oregon – Hart measured 6063 – 284 and did 23 reps of 225. His drill work was very good, showing that he is a fit for either a 3-4 or 4-3 defensive scheme.
Dee Ford – Defensive End – Auburn – The medical people didn’t let Ford work at the combine because of a back issue. At his pro day, he ran a 4.61 while jumping 35 ½ and 10’4”. He also had a 7.07 3 cone. Ford weighed in at under 250 and looks to be the classic tweener. The NFL clubs' medical people will have a lot to say as to where Ford get drafted.
Khalil Mack – Linebacker – Buffalo – The only combine drill that Mack did was the 40. He ran an average of 4.54 in his only attempt. After running, Mack looked outstanding doing positional drills for coaches.
Jimmy Garoppolo – Quarterback – Eastern Illinois – Garoppolo worked out at Northwestern’s pro day and threw the ball very well. There was a representative of just about every club at the workout.
Eric Lora – Wide Receiver – Eastern Illinois – Lora was not at the combine but was Garoppolo’s go-to receiver at EIU. He measured 5103 – 203 and ran 4.49. He also had jumps of 36” and 9’11”. His three-cone was a fast 6.76. Those numbers will probably get him drafted in the later rounds.
Colton Underwood – Defensive End/Outside Linebacker – Illinois St. – Underwood was also not at the combine. He measured 6024 – 256. He ran the 40 in 4.70 to go along with jumps of 36” and 10’. His three-cone was 7.03. During drills, he looked good dropping into coverage and the overall workout may get him drafted.
Anthony Barr – Linebacker – UCLA – Barr improved on his speed at the combine running the 40 in 4.41 and 4.49. He also looked good during drills.
Ryan Shazier – Linebacker – Ohio State – Shazier did not run at the combine, but ran an average of 4.38 at his pro day. At 235 pounds, that speed will put Shazier into the first round.
Corey Linsley – Center – Ohio State – Corey measured 6026 – 301 and ran the 40 in 4.97 and 5.00. His positional drill work was very good. His arm length is only 31 7/8. This may hurt him on draft day, but if there is a position on the offensive line where a player can get away with having shorter arms, it’s center.
Darqueze Dennard – Corner – Michigan State – Dennard did run at the MSU pro day, but he had a vertical jump of 36” and a long jump of 11’2”! He also had outstanding positional drill work.
Jimmie Ward – Safety – Northern Illinois – Ward did not work at the combine because of a foot injury. Knowing he needed to get a time in for scouts, he ran 4.48 and the NIU pro day. Ward will have foot surgery shortly but should be recovered in time for training camp if not sooner.
Shaquille Richardson – Corner – Arizona – Richardson was another non –combine player. With tall corners being wanted by every NFL team, Richardson’s workout helped his cause. He measured 6001 – 194 with 32” arms. He ran a 4.44, had jumps of 38.5 and 10’7” to go along with a 6.87 3-cone. Richardson will get drafted!
Blake Annen – Tight End – Cincinnati – Annen was not invited to Indy and needed a strong pro day, He had one! At 6041 – 247 he ran a 4.45. He also had jumps of 34” and 10’, to go along with a 7.19 3-come and 25 reps of 225. It was a very strong workout.
Brett Smith – Quarterback – Wyoming – I was shocked that Smith did not get invited to the combine. He is easily a better player than half the quarterbacks there. At his pro day, he measured 6016 which is a little short, but he ran 4.51 and had a long jump of 10’8”. During drill work he threw the ball very well.
Robert Herron – Wide Receiver – Wyoming – There was never a question about Herron’s speed, having been a top sprinter in high school. Herron ran well at the combine, but improved that, running a sub 4.40 at the Wyoming pro day.


With about three more weeks of pro days still coming, I will try and update this list every Saturday (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rising-stock-report.html).

_King_
03-15-2014, 11:07 AM
Everybody running these blazing times at their pro days. Yeah right.

Sounds good.

bah007
03-15-2014, 11:09 AM
Interesting thing about those two small school QBs is that their #1 WR is listed right there next to them. Makes you pause for a second and wonder if one is making the other look better than they are. Just an observation.

Playoffs
03-16-2014, 03:09 PM
http://insideedgesports.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/teddy-gif.gif

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
For Teddy Bridgewater, about Noon Eastern. RT @RJJC_LU: @RapSheet @nflnetwork what time is pro day?

Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater Pro Day is tomorrow, live on NFL Network

March 17 Pro Days: Appalachian State, Boise State, Florida, Houston, Lane College, Louisville, Memphis, Valdosta State, Virginia, Wake Forest, Texas Southern, Idaho State, James Madison, Rice

thunderkyss
03-16-2014, 05:37 PM
http://insideedgesports.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/teddy-gif.gif

Looks like a Matt Schaub thrown ball. Behind the receiver for no good reason. No reason that ball couldn't have been thrown in front of the receiver.

Honoring Earl 34
03-16-2014, 09:37 PM
Hot off the presses .

http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-combine-ratings/2014/

Allstar
03-16-2014, 11:13 PM
Looks like a Matt Schaub thrown ball. Behind the receiver for no good reason. No reason that ball couldn't have been thrown in front of the receiver.

True, but chances are Scaubie is already in the fetal position a half second into the clip.

Playoffs
03-17-2014, 11:44 AM
A Look at the 2014 NFL Draft's Most Overrated Stars (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1989681-a-look-at-the-2014-nfl-drafts-most-overrated-stars)

By Greg Gabriel , Featured Columnist (http://bleacherreport.com/users/4047835-greg-gabriel)
Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville(more of a 15- to 30-type player than a top five)
Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida(more of a second-round pick)
Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn(between picks 25-30 with the 3-4 team)
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame(a second-rounder at best)

JB
03-17-2014, 11:51 AM
A Look at the 2014 NFL Draft's Most Overrated Stars (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1989681-a-look-at-the-2014-nfl-drafts-most-overrated-stars)

By Greg Gabriel , Featured Columnist (http://bleacherreport.com/users/4047835-greg-gabriel)

Does anyone that writes at Bleacher Report have any credence? Just askin'

TexansFTW
03-17-2014, 11:58 AM
Does anyone that writes at Bleacher Report have any credence? Just askin'

The answer is no. I think Playoffs just posts these things as talking points to keep these threads alive though.

Playoffs
03-17-2014, 12:57 PM
Does anyone that writes at Bleacher Report have any credence? Just askin'Yes, but you have to learn the players because there are still fools on there. The model is built to weed out the b.s. over time. Just has that annoying page clicks thingy.

Greg Gabriel is a highly experienced, respected scout...
Started my scouting career with the Buffalo Bills in 1981 as a part time scout. Became an are scout for National Football Scouting in 1984 and worked with them through the 1984 football season. I then joined the New York Giants as an area scout in January 1985. I was with the Giants through the 2001 NFL Draft and then became Director of College Scouting for the Chicago Bears. I held that position for 9 years and retired after the 2010 Draft. During my time in Chicago we were able to draft 9 Pro Bowl players and win 3 Division Championships as well as 1 conference Championship. Since retiring I have consulted for NFL teams including the Philadelphia Eagles for the 2012 season and 2013 Draft. I also write for the Nationalfootballpost.com on the NFL Draft and NFL in general.

bah007
03-17-2014, 01:04 PM
A Look at the 2014 NFL Draft's Most Overrated Stars (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1989681-a-look-at-the-2014-nfl-drafts-most-overrated-stars)

By Greg Gabriel , Featured Columnist (http://bleacherreport.com/users/4047835-greg-gabriel)

I have no problem with that list. QBs are overrated every year due to need.

In fact, I would take Tuitt off that list and add Manziel.

I also think Hageman should be on there.

thunderkyss
03-17-2014, 01:27 PM
A Look at the 2014 NFL Draft's Most Overrated Stars (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1989681-a-look-at-the-2014-nfl-drafts-most-overrated-stars)

By Greg Gabriel , Featured Columnist (http://bleacherreport.com/users/4047835-greg-gabriel)Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville(more of a 15- to 30-type player than a top five)
Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida(more of a second-round pick)

Ohp... gotta book mark that link for later reading. Looks like it agrees with what I've been saying.

Playoffs
03-17-2014, 01:35 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Only 4 FBS QBs over last 10 yrs averaged at least 8 yds/att AND at least 45% on 3rd down: Bradford, Stafford, Manziel, Bridgewater.

Victor B
03-17-2014, 01:46 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Only 4 FBS QBs over last 10 yrs averaged at least 8 yds/att AND at least 45% on 3rd down: Bradford, Stafford, Manziel, Bridgewater.

Don't know how accurate that is. I'm pretty sure Keenum did it with Houston as well.

EDIT: Someone double check me, but I think over 4 seasons Keenum was 8.5 Y/A and 50% 3rd down.

thunderkyss
03-17-2014, 04:52 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_BrandtOnly 4 FBS QBs over last 10 yrs averaged at least 8 yds/att AND at least 45% on 3rd down: Bradford, Stafford, Manziel, Bridgewater.

There's got to be another qualifier.


Sounds like maybe he's trying to separate Bortles from the bunch.

Playoffs
03-18-2014, 09:26 AM
Florida State Pro Day live video: http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/1756152/Florida-State-Pro-Day

March 18: California, Delaware, Florida State, Montana State, Murray State, Old Dominion, Pittsburg State, Sam Houston State, Southern Illinois, Tarleton State, UC Davis, William & Mary

NFL Who's Who at Fla. State. Jim Caldwell chatting up Kelvin Benjamin.




.

Dutchrudder
03-18-2014, 09:30 AM
He's not a fantastic athlete, which is why I think he would be better served to move inside in the NFL. I don't think he's an edge rusher. But he's a football player. Some guys just have it when the pads are on. I don't think he'll ever be an All Pro or anything. But he'll give you more than you expect from a 6th/7th rounder.

When I watched Colorado St to check out Bibbs, this kid just jumped out on every single defensive series.

Sounds like a perfect pick in the late rounds for Seattle.

Playoffs
03-18-2014, 08:32 PM
Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Word around the league and in Orlando (UCF pro-day) has the St Louis Rams actively shopping the number two pick in the draft...
I'm shocked, shocked...!

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/514779c4ecad040122000016-480/casablanca-im-shocked-shocked.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmywwiZth5E)

Playoffs
03-19-2014, 11:29 AM
50 days to the draft! :doot:

March 19: Baylor, Central Florida, Lindenwood, Missouri State, San Jose State, Utah, Virginia Tech, Youngstown State

Logan Thomas, David Fales two other draftable QBs with pro days as well as the guy from UCF.

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB
Which school has had player drafted in EVERY year except one? #NFLDraftCountdown #50Days

Playoffs
03-19-2014, 01:25 PM
NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
I think the Texans should take Mack, Clowney or Robinson at No. 1 overall. Stay away from the QBs. #AskRiddick

= Louis Riddick
As executive:
Washington Redskins (2001–2004) (Pro scout)
Washington Redskins (2005–2007) (Director of pro personnel)
Philadelphia Eagles (2008) (Pro scout)
Philadelphia Eagles (2009) (Assistant director of pro personnel)
Philadelphia Eagles (2010–2013) (Director of pro personnel)

Trap_Star
03-19-2014, 01:26 PM
mack @1 wouldn't be a reach, IMO.

bah007
03-19-2014, 01:31 PM
mack @1 wouldn't be a reach, IMO.

Funny how opinions change over time.

I was saying that a couple of months ago and nobody (or very few) agreed. Now it's a pretty common, or even popular, idea.

A few years ago, nobody would touch a LB at #1. With the new rookie wage scale I think you can afford to take the best player period.

TexansSeminole
03-19-2014, 01:35 PM
Funny how opinions change over time.

I was saying that a couple of months ago and nobody (or very few) agreed. Now it's a pretty common, or even popular, idea.

A few years ago, nobody would touch a LB at #1. With the new rookie wage scale I think you can afford to take the best player period.

Well, to be fair, you are usually ahead of the pack with prospects, especially smaller school guys. A couple of months ago the only thing I knew about him was his name and his position.

Hookem Horns
03-19-2014, 01:37 PM
The Texans even suck at sucking. Every time they have the 1st pick it seems like the 1st pick isn't worth having.

At this point I am more on board with taking Clowney (if there are no trade options).

While I am afraid he might turn out to be a Mario Williams (work ethic wise), he has a lot more potential that MW ever did. Also I think JJ Watt might push him to work hard.

thunderkyss
03-19-2014, 01:40 PM
Funny how opinions change over time.


A few years ago, nobody would touch a LB at #1. With the new rookie wage scale I think you can afford to take the best player period.

Even if he might have to play @ RT?

bah007
03-19-2014, 01:43 PM
Even if he might have to play @ RT?

Whoever makes the biggest positive impact on the team should be the pick, regardless of what position they play.

The Pencil Neck
03-19-2014, 01:46 PM
Even if he might have to play @ RT?

Yes. Because of the impact he'll have solidifying our line. Because he'll be one injury away from playing LT. And with the new rookie wage cap, it's reasonable.

Playoffs
03-19-2014, 03:36 PM
Virginia Tech (http://walterfootball.com/proday.php)
There was a good crowd on hand at pro-day for Virginia Tech, including San Francisco 49er head coach Jim Harbaugh, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly, and the team's defensive coordinator, Bill Davis.

Word from pro-day was maligned quarterback Logan Thomas looked terrific. Scouts on hand said Thomas has a wealth of talent and proved as much today. While there were a few poor throws, he was accurate for most of the workout and it was an improvement from his combine performance. Thomas seemed to struggle with his accuracy rolling to his right, as passes seemed to get away from him, but for the most part the reviews have been very positive. Unconfirmed reports have Harbaugh going to lunch with Thomas and his quarterback coach George Whitfield after the workout. Regardless of whether the report is true, I'm told Harbaugh showed a lot of interest in Thomas.
...
Cornerback Kyle Fuller stood on his combine numbers, but stood out in position drills, catching everything thrown to him. I'm told prior to the workout, Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Bill Davis made a point of introducing Fuller to the teams head coach, Chip Kelly.

Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm
One longtime offensive coach texted me on Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas' pro day effort today: "Just ok at best"

disaacks3
03-19-2014, 03:49 PM
A. With the new rookie wage scale I think you can afford to take the best player period. It definitely made the dynamics of taking a non-QB easier.

At this point I am more on board with taking Clowney (if there are no trade options).

While I am afraid he might turn out to be a Mario Williams (work ethic wise), he has a lot more potential that MW ever did. Also I think JJ Watt might push him to work hard. If we did draft him, I'd be hanging my hat on that hope.

TexansSeminole
03-19-2014, 03:51 PM
If we did draft him, I'd be hanging my hat on that hope.

Me too. The possibility definitely makes Clowney more attractive.

Playoffs
03-19-2014, 10:17 PM
...Logan Thomas, David Fales two other draftable QBs with pro days as well as the guy from UCF.


Sleepy QB David Fales' pro day: http://www.sjsuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031914aaa.html

TexansFTW
03-20-2014, 01:04 AM
Sleepy QB David Fales' pro day: http://www.sjsuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031914aaa.html

Always crazy seeing how high these guys' draft stock increases once the pass rush is no longer coming.

CloakNNNdagger
03-20-2014, 09:22 AM
Sleepy QB David Fales' pro day: http://www.sjsuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/031914aaa.html

I understand that Fales missed only 1 pass.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 11:21 AM
Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm
Louis Nix on Mike Tomlin: "I heard he liked big thighs." #NDProDay #steelers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLrh0hCIAAv2Pg.jpg
Big crowd at Notre Dame for pro day

March 20: Bethune-Cookman, California (PA), Fresno State, Hawaii, Kent State, Middle Tennessee State, Notre Dame, San Diego State, Stanford, Tennessee State

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Y'all feel that shake out in California? RT @NDSportsBlogger: Louis Nix runs the 40 at #NDProDay https://vine.co/v/MhlFbTdlZqh

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
ILB Shayne Skov pulled his hamstring on Monday in prep for Stanford's Pro Day today and won't be working out. Will have his own on April 21.

Bigger crowd at Missouri pro day... ???
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLuzIJCUAA9yjz.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLuzIJCUAA9yjz.jpg

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 11:41 AM
TSV: LOWERING THE BARR (http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/lowering-barr)
“But he had ten sacks this year…”

I saw this tweet this week, not just once (and I’m paraphrase-twitter-ing), “Why are people off the Anthony Barr bandwagon?” When I saw a similar tweet on the All-American UCLA OLB more than a couple of times, I did what I always do. I put the film on…
...
Had Barr declared early in 2012, he probably would’ve gone third over Dion Jordan to Miami in what many thought was a weak draft. But this draft isn’t quite that way. Barr’s athleticism is attractive, but Buffalo’s Khalil Mack has athleticism and nasty and a full complement of “wrecking shop” skills.

South Carolina edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney is freakish and he DID get doubled/chipped most of the season. With three top QBs, a couple of solid prospects at tackle and the aforementioned edge rushing freaks, Barr should fall behind them due to the problems outlined above. If it’s been a little shocking to see Barr’s name take a hit lately, now you know -- if you didn’t already, of course.

UCLA LB Anthony Barr: I'm the perfect NFL draft prospect (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000335771/article/ucla-lb-anthony-barr-im-the-perfect-nfl-draft-prospect)
"I'm not just going to be a guy rushing the quarterback," Barr told Jim Rome on Thursday. "I can drop, I can play the run, and I can play off the ball, on the ball. I'm a smart football player. I can understand the game, the nuances of the game. All those things combine to make me the perfect prospect."

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 12:19 PM
Really great piece on how other prospects jump off the tape while watching targeting another player...

12 exciting 2014 NFL draft prospects hidden behind bigger names (http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/20/2014-nfl-draft-hidden-gems/)
The star: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
The understudy: Kelcy Quarles, DT
...
The star: Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
The understudy: Storm Johnson, RB
...
The star: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
The understudy: Martavis Bryant, WR
...
The star: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
The understudy: Michael Schofield, OT
...
The star: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
The understudy: Jordan Zumwalt, OLB, UCLA
...
The stars: Louis Nix III, DT; Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
The understudy: Prince Shembo, OLB
...
The star: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
The understudy: Eathyn Manumaleuana, DT
...
The star: Timmy Jernigan, DT; Lamarcus Joyner, CB; Telvin Smith, LB/S
The understudy: Christian Jones, ILB
...
The star: Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee
The understudy: Ja’Wuan James, OT
...
The star: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
The understudy: Antone Exum, CB
...
The stars: Tre Mason, RB, Auburn; Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
The understudy: Jay Prosch, FB; J.C. Copeland, FB

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 02:05 PM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Two team scouts had Kony Ealy at 4.56-4.61 on his 2nd 40 attempt. That's moving. #MizzouMade @EalyKony

No idea what the official will be, that's ridiculous.

Ealy ran in the (http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/41389/Michael-Sam--Kony-Ealy-improve-40-times-at-Missouri-Pro-Day/Default.aspx) mid-4.6s on Thursday, a vast improvement over the 4.92 time from the combine. One report had Ealy timed at 4.57 seconds, which would be a personal record.

Honoring Earl 34
03-20-2014, 02:22 PM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout


No idea what the official will be, that's ridiculous.

Can he play OLB ?

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 03:02 PM
Can he play OLB ?

No.

He's too fast.

Have to play him at safety.

This was all a joke.

Honoring Earl 34
03-20-2014, 03:17 PM
No.

He's too fast.

Have to play him at safety.

This was all a joke.

I think he's at 270 lbs

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 03:23 PM
Can he play OLB ?

Depends on the DC. Smart coaches adjust, others make player adjust.

TSV: http://thesidelineview.com/scouting-report/kony-ealy




.

The Pencil Neck
03-20-2014, 03:44 PM
I think he's at 270 lbs

OK.

Strong safety. Very, very strong.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 05:21 PM
Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
ILB Shayne Skov pulled his hamstring on Monday in prep for Stanford's Pro Day today and won't be working out. Will have his own on April 21.
Skov got behind a mic (online) during part of Stanford's pro day... sharp young man, very well spoken, detailed analysis propping up his teammates.

Honoring Earl 34
03-21-2014, 08:23 AM
OK.

Strong safety. Very, very strong.

A hybrid of a SS and a 4-3 DE who suddenly went from a 4.9 to a 4.5 in a month .

Hervoyel
03-21-2014, 09:03 AM
The Texans even suck at sucking. Every time they have the 1st pick it seems like the 1st pick isn't worth having.

At this point I am more on board with taking Clowney (if there are no trade options).

While I am afraid he might turn out to be a Mario Williams (work ethic wise), he has a lot more potential that MW ever did. Also I think JJ Watt might push him to work hard.

That would be ten times funnier if it wasn't so damn true.

Playoffs
03-24-2014, 03:19 PM
http://hawkcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Kirksey.jpg

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Christian Kirksey/OLB/Iowa runs 4.48s/4.50s forty...30 teams on hand.

Playoffs
03-26-2014, 03:36 PM
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
The first 20 seconds of this... @1IrishChocolate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMewC1-rpw&list=UU-2Y8dQb0S6DtpxNgAKoJKA …

... is gold.

Nix might be worth it at 1-1 just for his personality. :lol:

The Pencil Neck
03-26-2014, 04:01 PM
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris


... is gold.

Nix might be worth it at 1-1 just for his personality. :lol:

The old PL joke is... why have a 6-pack when you can have a keg?

Playoffs
03-26-2014, 05:26 PM
Path to the Draft starts at 7ET. We'll have Dee Ford in studio.
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/448939956610686976

Dee Ford great guy, worth watching IMO.

steelbtexan
03-26-2014, 11:03 PM
http://hawkcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Kirksey.jpg

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline

The GM of the TT Mock Draft Lions is very happy.

Playoffs
03-28-2014, 12:26 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Thought Gilbert was underrated before today, but he could go as high as 3rd round now. Should have been combine invite.

#SMU QB Garrett Gilbert had unbelievable pro day. Completed 88 of 89 passes (if he had NFL WR would have been 89). 6-4, 223, 4.83 40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idznK3qF9Oc

Gosselin: Why the NFL should've invited SMU's Garrett Gilbert, North Texas' Brelan Chancellor to combine (http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20140216-gosselin-why-the-nfl-should-ve-invited-smu-s-garrett-gilbert-north-texas-brelan-chancellor-to-combine.ece)

June Jones @CoachJuneJones
I have worked out 100's of NFL QB's in my day, Garrett Gilbert's workout today was the 2nd best one I have ever seen!! Next to Jeff George.

drs23
03-28-2014, 12:37 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt

Quote:
Thought Gilbert was underrated before today, but he could go as high as 3rd round now. Should have been combine invite.

#SMU QB Garrett Gilbert had unbelievable pro day. Completed 88 of 89 passes (if he had NFL WR would have been 89). 6-4, 223, 4.83 40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idznK3qF9Oc

But did he dodge a broom and holler "BOOM"?

Playoffs
03-28-2014, 01:29 PM
But did he dodge a broom and holler "BOOM"?

Alas, no, he couldn't afford his own personal dangerous-attacking-broom-swinging coach.

WolverineFan
03-28-2014, 01:35 PM
And yet again, here is the issue with putting workouts ahead of game tape.

Yea, Gilbert looks fantastic in shorts and throwing routes against no defense. Then stick a pass rush in the guys face and force him to make quick decisions against zone defense and he wilts.

santo
03-28-2014, 01:41 PM
Alas, no, he couldn't afford his own personal dangerous-attacking-broom-swinging coach.


This will make him undraftable.

WolverineFan
03-28-2014, 01:54 PM
Also, just for reference...

Garrett Gilbert in 2 years under June Jones
59.7% completion, 36 TD's with 22 INT's, and 14 rushing TD's.
- ?

Colt Brennan in 2 years under June Jones
71.6% completion, 96 TD's with 29 INT's, and 13 rushing TD's.
- 6th round pick, never played in regular season game

Timmy Chang in 2 years under June Jones
59.1% completion, 67 TD's with 33 INT's, and 3 rushing TD's.
- Undrafted, never played in regular season game

The Pencil Neck
03-28-2014, 01:56 PM
Also, just for reference...

Garrett Gilbert in 2 years under June Jones
59.7% completion, 36 TD's with 22 INT's, and 14 rushing TD's.
- ?

Colt Brennan in 2 years under June Jones
71.6% completion, 96 TD's with 29 INT's, and 13 rushing TD's.
- 6th round pick, never played in regular season game

Timmy Chang in 2 years under June Jones
59.1% completion, 67 TD's with 33 INT's, and 3 rushing TD's.
- Undrafted, never played in regular season game

I thought Colt Brennan was a steal. I expected him to do something. SOMETHING.

bah007
03-28-2014, 01:56 PM
Also, just for reference...

Garrett Gilbert in 2 years under June Jones
59.7% completion, 36 TD's with 22 INT's, and 14 rushing TD's.
- ?

Colt Brennan in 2 years under June Jones
71.6% completion, 96 TD's with 29 INT's, and 13 rushing TD's.
- 6th round pick, never played in regular season game

Timmy Chang in 2 years under June Jones
59.1% completion, 67 TD's with 33 INT's, and 3 rushing TD's.
- Undrafted, never played in regular season game

Gilbert has more physical talent than those other two combined.

With that said, your post above is absolutely correct. This guy is the poster child for why you don't overrate the importance of workouts.

drs23
03-28-2014, 02:29 PM
Alas, no, he couldn't afford his own personal dangerous-attacking-broom-swinging coach.

Damn the woes of the impoverished.

Dutchrudder
03-28-2014, 02:33 PM
He still can't read a defense. I expect him to be a UDFA and bounce around 90 man rosters for a few years.

Playoffs
03-28-2014, 02:33 PM
Gilbert has more physical talent than those other two combined.

With that said, your post above is absolutely correct. This guy is the poster child for why you don't overrate the importance of workouts.

Gil Bryant says this is another one of "his" guys, but he's beginning to lose credibility with me when his relationships with these guys are revealed. Same when it was revealed Kiper was regularly speaking with/consulting Jimmy Clausen.

ArlingtonTexan
03-29-2014, 10:58 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/29/jeff-fisher-knows-theres-no-rg3-deal-to-be-had-this-year/

Two years ago, when St. Louis owned the second overall pick in the draft, it was able to convince Washington to give up that year’s No. 6 overall pick, that year’s No. 39 overall pick, and Washington’s 2013 and 2014 first-round picks. That 2014 first-round pick turned out to give the Rams the No. 2 overall pick again this year, and St. Louis would love to get another package of picks in another trade.


But it’s not going to happen. Rams coach Jeff Fisher acknowledged that if the Rams do trade down, no team is going to give up anything close to what the Rams got in that 2014 trade because there’s no prospect as alluring as Robert Griffin III.

Playoffs
04-02-2014, 01:55 PM
Overall it's becoming more and more clear that if the Texans stay in the #1 spot the selection will be a defensive player. It's looking increasingly unlikely that a QB will go with the #1 pick. -- Adam Schefter on ESPN

kiwitexansfan
04-02-2014, 03:35 PM
Overall it's becoming more and more clear that if the Texans stay in the #1 spot the selection will be a defensive player. It's looking increasingly unlikely that a QB will go with the #1 pick. -- Adam Schefter on ESPN

Hope its Mack if they pull the trigger on a defensive player.

Playoffs
04-02-2014, 09:52 PM
( tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top)

Chris Trapasso ‏@ChrisTrapasso
Though he's under 6'4", he has very long arms. Tough to slot him in NFL. IMO, he can play LT or RT but stud OG potential. Think Jahri Evans.

Thomas' pass pro wasn't outstanding. He waits for rushers to get into his body & can whiff though he wins a decent amount of edge battles.

He's a knee bender who wins with leverage/pure strength at POA & is spatially aware & athletic enough to typically hit 2nd-level targets.

This might already be out there, but Clemson's Brandon Thomas is a downright mauler vs. the run. Technically sound too.
That'd work. MT @NFLDraftTracker: I'd slot him as ILB hammer in a 3-4. Not 250+ type but he plays w/ that kind of power, can drop into zones

I think Zumwalt's more of a pure MLB in the NFL than a WLB. He tracks crossers, gets good depth in coverage and can run with *some* TEs.

He can be slow to read/react & he plays upright. Plus he's always looking for the huge hit, but there's a lot of Kiko Alonso to his game.

...Jordan Zumwalt is a bully at 6'4" and around 235. Sheds well. Dropped in coverage often. Downhill wrecking ball with good range.

Couple notes on a few prospects from my film-watching session today...

mussop
04-02-2014, 10:59 PM
( tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top)

Chris Trapasso ‏@ChrisTrapasso

Two guys that I have on my hopeful list.

WolverineFan
04-03-2014, 03:01 PM
Seantrel Henderson allegedly quit his Pro Day today halfway through the workout. No explanation as of why just yet.

Still though, this guy has been an absolute headcase since high school and is unlikely to do anything at the next level. People will still love him for his measureables though and he's still sure to get drafted.

leebigeztx
04-03-2014, 03:22 PM
Anyone who states they know where the texans are leaning is lying. Even scheffter whom is really accurate don't have a clue. All u have to do is remember the 06 draft.

Texian
04-03-2014, 04:08 PM
Eye on Football ‏@EyeOnNFL 5m

University of Miami OT Seantrel Henderson unable to finish pro day. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24512448/university-of-miami-ot-seantrel-henderson-unable-to-finish-pro-day …

TexansSeminole
04-03-2014, 04:20 PM
Seantrel Henderson allegedly quit his Pro Day today halfway through the workout. No explanation as of why just yet.

Still though, this guy has been an absolute headcase since high school and is unlikely to do anything at the next level. People will still love him for his measureables though and he's still sure to get drafted.

Yikes. I wonder if God told him that he didn't need to finish the workout like that guy at the combine.

kiwitexansfan
04-03-2014, 07:03 PM
Still though, this guy has been an absolute headcase since high school and is unlikely to do anything at the next level. People will still love him for his measureables though and he's still sure to get drafted.

We could draft Clowney, McCullers, Henderson, Archer as the all-measurables draft.

Any other outliers we need to include?

thunderkyss
04-03-2014, 07:05 PM
We could draft Clowney, McCullers, Henderson, Archer as the all-measurables draft.

Any other outliers we need to include?

Tom Savage

The Pencil Neck
04-03-2014, 10:16 PM
I was thinking Logan Thomas.

WolverineFan
04-03-2014, 10:18 PM
We could draft Clowney, McCullers, Henderson, Archer as the all-measurables draft.

Any other outliers we need to include?

There's nothing wrong with measureables when guys produce. Clowney and Archer produced in college. It's when guys don't produce when you need to check yourself.

ArlingtonTexan
04-06-2014, 03:36 PM
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-most-interesting-rumors-circling-the-nfl-draft.html/

“If we decide to draft this guy, we’re not just going to play him at one position,” head coach Bill O’Brien told fans and suite holders. “We may start him off at one position but use him in a lot of different ways. He’s a unique talent but again, that’s if we draft him.” This ‘if’ seems to be a matter of internal debate, as word out of Houston seems to suggest that they’re trying to trade down.

_King_
04-06-2014, 04:05 PM
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-most-interesting-rumors-circling-the-nfl-draft.html/

I think we'll trade down but if not clowney is the guy.

thunderkyss
04-06-2014, 05:22 PM
I wonder what

Jj wants.

Playoffs
04-08-2014, 09:32 AM
Cyrus Kouandjio, Vinnie Sunseri take center stage at Alabama's 2nd Pro Day (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/04/cyrus_kouandjio_vinnie_sunseri.html)


NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr + Jimmy Garoppolo are all schedule to meet with Jacksonville this week. http://es.pn/1hXlyH6

NCTexan
04-08-2014, 10:20 AM
Source: Clemson offensive lineman Brandon Thomas tore his ACL during a private workout last week with the New Orleans Saints

Clemson offensive lineman Brandon Thomas tore his anterior cruciate ligament during a private workout last week with the New Orleans Saints, according to a league source.

Thomas will undergo surgery soon to repair the damage following a serious knee injury a month out from the NFL draft.

Thomas excelled during the Senior Bowl, drawing praise from NFL scouts at his technique and aggressiveness as he finished off blocks and displayed a nasty streak.

Thomas was drawing second-round and third-round grades from draft analysts prior to the injury and was regarded as a rising draft prospect.

Thomas is still expected to do well in the draft, but obviously the timing of the injury will affect his draft stock.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Clemson-lineman-Brandon-Thomas-tore-ACL-during-private-workout-for-Saints.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Did I finally beat Playoffs?!

beerlover
04-08-2014, 10:30 AM
Source: Clemson offensive lineman Brandon Thomas tore his ACL during a private workout last week with the New Orleans Saints



http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Clemson-lineman-Brandon-Thomas-tore-ACL-during-private-workout-for-Saints.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Did I finally beat Playoffs?!

not sure, saw it posted yesterday somewhere :um:

terrible break for the young man. quick question, do these prospects already have agents in place with insurance packages or are teams on the hook when invited to facilities for workout?

I would certainly look at him for Texans with one of those 6th rd. selections. I hope he doesn't fall this far, but if he did certainly wouldn't be Mr. Irrelevant?

NCTexan
04-08-2014, 10:39 AM
not sure, saw it posted yesterday somewhere :um:

terrible break for the young man. quick question, do these prospects already have agents in place with insurance packages or are teams on the hook when invited to facilities for workout?


According to this (http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/03/14/in-the-world-of-insuring-nfl-athletes-there-is-only-one-big-daddy/) article about 75% are insured.


I would certainly look at him for Texans with one of those 6th rd. selections. I hope he doesn't fall this far, but if he did certainly wouldn't be Mr. Irrelevant?

As a 6th or 7th round pick I think he'll be a steal, assuming he recovers alright. Put him on IR for the first year and I'd be super pleased.

Playoffs
04-08-2014, 11:23 AM
Did I finally beat Playoffs?!

Almost: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2323475#post2323475

:fingergun: http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/embarrassed-smileys/embarrassed-smiley62.gif

DX-TEX
04-08-2014, 11:32 AM
According to this (http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/03/14/in-the-world-of-insuring-nfl-athletes-there-is-only-one-big-daddy/) article about 75% are insured.



As a 6th or 7th round pick I think he'll be a steal, assuming he recovers alright. Put him on IR for the first year and I'd be super pleased.

Seems like half our picks last year were on IR. You say we should draft a guy just to IR him?

NCTexan
04-08-2014, 11:34 AM
Seems like half our picks last year were on IR. You say we should draft a guy just to IR him?

In the 6th or 7th round? With this guy I think we should. He was easily a 2nd or 3rd rounder before this and if he's there in one of our later 6th round picks I'd be willing to do it for a mauler like him. But I probably wouldn't take him 6-1, and definitely not earlier.

I understand why that might not be a popular thought though.

Almost: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2323475#post2323475

:fingergun: http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/embarrassed-smileys/embarrassed-smiley62.gif

While I appreciate being let down easy, 20 hours isn't really almost.

:kitten:

thunderkyss
04-08-2014, 12:07 PM
Cyrus Kouandjio, Vinnie Sunseri take center stage at Alabama's 2nd Pro Day (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/04/cyrus_kouandjio_vinnie_sunseri.html)


NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFLJohnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr + Jimmy Garoppolo are all schedule to meet with Jacksonville this week.


Who pays for these kids to be flying all over the country?

Playoffs
04-08-2014, 12:35 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
WR Allen Robinson having big day at #PennState pro day. 42 VJ, 11 BJ, sub-4.5 40. Stock will be up after today. #NFLDraft

Some people looove this guy.

Who pays for these kids to be flying all over the country?Whoever they're visiting, except for one prospect whose parents pay. :fingergun:

HOU-TEX
04-09-2014, 09:16 AM
Seems like the Jaguars are making an attempt to bring in the entire 2014 draft class in for visits.

Playoffs
04-09-2014, 09:51 AM
LSU Pro Day today, one of the biggest single school days...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
You can watch LSU's pro day online at noon: http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=209457995#.U0VWmVvzSUA.twitter …


http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205112574&DB_OEM_ID=5200
Barrow, Lamin OLB 6'1" 237
Beckham, Odell WR 5'11" 198
Blue, Alfred RB 6'2" 223
Copeland, J.C. FB 5'11" 271
Ferguson, Ego DT 6'3" 315
Hill, Jeremy RB 6'1" 233
Johnson,Anthony DT 6'2" 308
Landry, Jarvis WR 5'11" 205
Loston, Craig SS 5'11" 217
Mettenberger,Zach QB 6'5" 224
Turner, Trai OG 6'3" 310

steelbtexan
04-09-2014, 10:04 AM
We could draft Clowney, McCullers, Henderson, Archer as the all-measurables draft.

Any other outliers we need to include?

McCullers/Clowney shouldn't be included in the Henderson group. McCullers is a 352 lbs man who played too many snaps last yr. It's impossible for a man that big to keep up his stamina for a full game. He needed a break but the Vols had very little depth in the DL.

Personally I thought McCullers and Clowney made impacts on the game. I see McCullers as a 5 tech in RAC's defense.

I will be doing a mock soon that will reflect this. You should check it out and give me your thoughts.

steelbtexan
04-09-2014, 10:07 AM
Seems like the Jaguars are making an attempt to bring in the entire 2014 draft class in for visits.

Seems like they are leaving no stone unturned.

Maybe the Texans org could learn a thing or two.

They do seem to be bringing in more guys than the past regime.

beerlover
04-09-2014, 10:12 AM
Seems like they are leaving no stone unturned.

Maybe the Texans org could learn a thing or two.

They do seem to be bringing in more guys than the past regime.

I think they finally made a good coaching change. Gus Bradley has an aura around him so suspect ownership has given him not just the keys to the car but house money to turn things around.

steelbtexan
04-09-2014, 10:13 AM
According to this (http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2014/03/14/in-the-world-of-insuring-nfl-athletes-there-is-only-one-big-daddy/) article about 75% are insured.



As a 6th or 7th round pick I think he'll be a steal, assuming he recovers alright. Put him on IR for the first year and I'd be super pleased.

Insured yes, if not drafted.

But not insured for the difference between being a 2nd rd pick before injury and a 6th rd pick after injury.

Playoffs
04-09-2014, 10:20 AM
Seems like the Jaguars are making an attempt to bring in the entire 2014 draft class in for visits.

30 maximum visits per team. I like the idea of having all the QBs there at the same time and jacking with them a bit. One per room, go room-to-room, back and forth, test their retention, amp up their anxiety. Take them all out to dinner together and stir the pot, see how they all act/react.

bah007
04-09-2014, 12:17 PM
I think they finally made a good coaching change. Gus Bradley has an aura around him so suspect ownership has given him not just the keys to the car but house money to turn things around.

I really love the O'Brien hire here, but I have to admit that I'm scared of Bradley.

Playoffs
04-09-2014, 02:58 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Notre Dame DE Stephon Tuitt at Texans Thursday.

kiwitexansfan
04-09-2014, 04:39 PM
McCullers/Clowney shouldn't be included in the Henderson group. McCullers is a 352 lbs man who played too many snaps last yr. It's impossible for a man that big to keep up his stamina for a full game. He needed a break but the Vols had very little depth in the DL.

Personally I thought McCullers and Clowney made impacts on the game. I see McCullers as a 5 tech in RAC's defense.

I will be doing a mock soon that will reflect this. You should check it out and give me your thoughts.

Never considered McCullers as a 5tech.

Who do you have as potential NTs?

mussop
04-09-2014, 06:07 PM
I really love the O'Brien hire here, but I have to admit that I'm scared of Bradley.

The more I see him and hear him the more I'm impressed.

Playoffs
04-09-2014, 07:31 PM
I really love the O'Brien hire here, but I have to admit that I'm scared of Bradley.

I'm excited. Tired of the doormat division. Love to see them all at the top of the league. Classic battles. Steel sharpens steel.

steelbtexan
04-09-2014, 11:30 PM
Never considered McCullers as a 5tech.

Who do you have as potential NTs?

Rd.1 Nix
Rd.3 DaQuan Jones
3-4. Justin Ellis who I also believe has the feet to play the 5 tech.
Rd.5 Beau Allen/Carrethers/Caraun Reid
Rd.6 Deandre Coleman, who could also play the 5 tech/Zack Kerr/Khyri Thorton
Rd.7 Mike Pennel/Robert Thomas/Bruce Gaston

kiwitexansfan
04-09-2014, 11:51 PM
Rd.1 Nix
Rd.3 DaQuan Jones
3-4. Justin Ellis who I also believe has the feet to play the 5 tech.
Rd.5 Beau Allen/Carrethers/Caraun Reid
Rd.6 Deandre Coleman, who could also play the 5 tech/Zack Kerr/Khyri Thorton
Rd.7 Mike Pennel/Robert Thomas/Bruce Gaston

Thanks steelb

If you could pop into my Big Fat Fatties thread to explain how you identify fits that would be appreciated.

Not sure why Reid is identified as someone who an be a NT but for example Kelcey Quarles can't. Not hung up on Quarles, just pulled the name out of my butt.

thunderkyss
04-10-2014, 11:03 AM
I really love the O'Brien hire here, but I have to admit that I'm scared of Bradley.

I think Bradley could be a good coach, but coaching the Jags is going to be like coaching the Cardinals, or the Browns. They need a lot more than just a coach. If I were a Jags fan, I want to be hearing that they are spending a lot of energy changing the culture, not just in the locker room, but in the whole organization, from top to bottom.

That was one of the things that I liked most about when Kubiak came here. He wasn't just about change in the locker room & it appeared that McNair bought in as well.

I like Whisenhunt. I think he's a good coach & thought he did a good job in Arizona with what he had to work with. I think the Titans are a better organization than the Cardinals & it's going to be tough in the AFC South.

mussop
04-10-2014, 11:57 AM
Rd.1 Nix
Rd.3 DaQuan Jones
3-4. Justin Ellis who I also believe has the feet to play the 5 tech.
Rd.5 Beau Allen/Carrethers/Caraun Reid
Rd.6 Deandre Coleman, who could also play the 5 tech/Zack Kerr/Khyri Thorton
Rd.7 Mike Pennel/Robert Thomas/Bruce Gaston

That's a pretty good list there. I'm really hoping for One or two of Ellis, Allen, Carrethers and Coleman. Pennel is huge but probably to much of a project to draft. Not a fan of Ried as a NT in this defense. No McCullers?

kiwitexansfan
04-10-2014, 01:40 PM
That's a pretty good list there. I'm really hoping for One or two of Ellis, Allen, Carrethers and Coleman. Pennel is huge but probably to much of a project to draft. Not a fan of Ried as a NT in this defense. No McCullers?

Think steelb has McCullers as DE.

Playoffs
04-10-2014, 02:50 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Kelvin Benjamin 30th in my new rankings. Was told KB recently blew off workout w NFL coach who had made special trip, said he was too tired

Maybe his hands hurt from footballs bouncing off of them... ? :fingergun:

mussop
04-10-2014, 04:50 PM
Think steelb has McCullers as DE.

That's a pretty good list there. I'm really hoping for One or two of Ellis, Allen, Carrethers and Coleman. Pennel is huge but probably to much of a project to draft. Not a fan of Ried as a NT in this defense. No McCullers?

That's an awfully big DE.

kiwitexansfan
04-10-2014, 05:42 PM
That's an awfully big DE.

I believe it is an issue with his height and leverage. As a NT he is vulnerable to getting blockers under his pads and getting moved.

As a DE he has the height and long arms you look for.

steelbtexan
04-10-2014, 05:58 PM
I believe it is an issue with his height and leverage. As a NT he is vulnerable to getting blockers under his pads and getting moved.

As a DE he has the height and long arms you look for.

He can definitely keep OL off of the OLB's at DE and with Watt/Clowney/McCullers there should be more than a few balls batted down at the LOS.

McCullers will be a perfect 5 tech. He was miscast as a NT. IMHO

mussop
04-10-2014, 11:21 PM
He can definitely keep OL off of the OLB's at DE and with Watt/Clowney/McCullers there should be more than a few balls batted down at the LOS.

McCullers will be a perfect 5 tech. He was miscast as a NT. IMHO

Makes sense. Hey the bigger the better on the front three. I would prefer two guys who have the best combination of size and effort. We already have one smaller DE in Watt. Put some meat around around him and Protect him.

Honoring Earl 34
04-11-2014, 02:50 PM
http://walterfootball.com/draft2014celebrity.php

Playoffs
04-12-2014, 10:35 AM
Torn at the top???

Scott Bischoff ‏@Bischoff_Scott (https://twitter.com/Bischoff_Scott/status/454724860170604544)
Talking to someone I trust today concerning No. 1 overall pick. GM wants Bridgewater, HC wants Clowney, Owner wants Manziel.

Questionable, imo.

thunderkyss
04-12-2014, 11:04 AM
Torn at the top???

Scott Bischoff ‏@Bischoff_Scott (https://twitter.com/Bischoff_Scott/status/454724860170604544)

That could be literally any football team. Sounds like St. Louis though.

Definitely not the Texans. Our guys are a solid cohesive unit.

WolverineFan
04-12-2014, 11:47 AM
That's an awfully big DE.

Big guys like Haloti Ngata and B.J. Raji have had success at DE in BAL and GB's 3-4 defenses, but those guys are much more explosive.


Ngata
Weigh-In: 6-4, 338
Bench: 37 reps
Vertical: 31.5
Broad: 110.0

Raji
Weigh-In: 6-2, 337
Bench: 33 reps
Vertical: 32.0
Broad: 103.0

McCullers
Weigh-In: 6-7, 352
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 20.5
Broad: 97.0


They are also better pass rushers and football players in general. McCullers could play DE, but I wouldn't expect much production out of him. He's a big body that was immovable for most college linemen, but so was Terrance Cody. He won't go very far unless he develops some tangible football skills other than just being big. He has no burst off the snap and his playing level is inconsistent.

Unless he suddenly becomes a great athlete or improves his technique dramatically, he will just be a big guy playing football instead of a football player that happens to be big. This is what I think of every time someone mentions McCullers as a NT. He's #98....

http://i.imgur.com/L0Suv6w.gif

WolverineFan
04-12-2014, 11:56 AM
Talking to someone I trust today concerning No. 1 overall pick. GM wants Bridgewater, HC wants Clowney, Owner wants Manziel.


Makes sense.

GM's generally prefer safer picks because busts mainly reflect on them.

HC's generally prefer the most talented player because they believe they can mold anyone into a good player.

Owner's generally prefer the guy who will bring the most money into the organization because the organization is first and foremost a business.

Playoffs
04-12-2014, 12:10 PM
League will be non too happy about the leaks, but some are suggesting it was not from anyone with teams.

Greg Peshek ‏@NU_Gap
While Wonderlic scores leak, look at this study which says there's no relationship between score & performance (PDF) http://www.psychology.uga.edu/people/bios/faculty/HoffmanDoc/Lyons,%20Hoffman,%20&%20Mischel%20(in%20press).pdf …

ArlingtonTexan
04-12-2014, 12:23 PM
Makes sense.

GM's generally prefer safer picks because busts mainly reflect on them.

HC's generally prefer the most talented player because they believe they can mold anyone into a good player.

Owner's generally prefer the guy who will bring the most money into the organization because the organization is first and foremost a business.

Also, owners can also still be fans more than true talent evaluators. That said, it will be up to one of the other two to convince the with the biggest stick errr wallet to be convinced that they way is the right one.

Playoffs
04-14-2014, 01:41 PM
Is [Florida DT] Dominique Easley Worth the Risk? (http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-reports/2014/4/14/5607770/is-dominique-easley-worth-the-risk)

steelbtexan
04-14-2014, 08:50 PM
Big guys like Haloti Ngata and B.J. Raji have had success at DE in BAL and GB's 3-4 defenses, but those guys are much more explosive.


Ngata
Weigh-In: 6-4, 338
Bench: 37 reps
Vertical: 31.5
Broad: 110.0

Raji
Weigh-In: 6-2, 337
Bench: 33 reps
Vertical: 32.0
Broad: 103.0

McCullers
Weigh-In: 6-7, 352
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 20.5
Broad: 97.0


They are also better pass rushers and football players in general. McCullers could play DE, but I wouldn't expect much production out of him. He's a big body that was immovable for most college linemen, but so was Terrance Cody. He won't go very far unless he develops some tangible football skills other than just being big. He has no burst off the snap and his playing level is inconsistent.

Unless he suddenly becomes a great athlete or improves his technique dramatically, he will just be a big guy playing football instead of a football player that happens to be big. This is what I think of every time someone mentions McCullers as a NT. He's #98....

http://i.imgur.com/L0Suv6w.gif

You mean like Myers getting knocked on his butt by Jenkins?

It happens

Halapio?

Playoffs
04-16-2014, 02:55 PM
WR Josh Gordon still thinks Browns will draft a QB (http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/gordon-still-thinks-browns-will-draft-a-qb-041514)

Josh Gordon raised some eyebrows when he said he was "pretty sure" the Browns would draft a quarterback with the fourth pick when he was on ESPN last month...

He's become a little more diplomatic and vague now but still thinks the Browns will draft a quarterback--however he wouldn't say if he thought it would be with the fourth overall pick.

"From talking with Ray Farmer, I'm still pretty sure we're going to take a quarterback," Gordon said in an exclusive interview with FOX Sports Ohio in Rochester, N.Y. on Saturday.
...
Gordon gave his assessment of the top quarterbacks in this year's draft.

"Blake Bortles seems like a real tall, sturdy quarterback that might be able to withstand a strong conference like ours," Gordon said. "He looks like he might be able to battle attrition and stay healthy.

"Johnny Manziel is a real fireball, athletic player," he said. "A really polarizing, electric figure, who will bring a lot of fans out and be an exciting player.

"Derek Carr has an amazing arm on him and he has run the West Coast offense.

"Teddy Bridgewater is an amazing athlete," he said. "I really don't think you can lose with any of those guys."

kingtexan
04-16-2014, 04:04 PM
GM's generally prefer safer picks because busts mainly reflect on them.


This might have applied a couple of months ago, but I think hardly applies now.

TB could potentially be the biggest bust of the draft if taken in the top 10.

Texian
04-18-2014, 10:33 AM
Last year while watching Jonathan Banks I noticed that Darius Slay was the better CB and thought at the time Slay would be the first drafted.

This year while watching Tennessee's Antonio Richardson I noticed, in my mind that Juwan James is the better offensive tackle. I expect that James will be drafted ahead of Richardson.

Texian
04-18-2014, 04:45 PM
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 2h

Mark Dominik also said that when he was #Bucs GM they wouldn't have their draft board set until the week before the draft.

mussop
04-18-2014, 05:25 PM
Last year while watching Jonathan Banks I noticed that Darius Slay was the better CB and thought at the time Slay would be the first drafted.

This year while watching Tennessee's Antonio Richardson I noticed, in my mind that Juwan James is the better offensive tackle. I expect that James will be drafted ahead of Richardson.

Way to go out on a limb there!!!!

thunderkyss
04-18-2014, 09:12 PM
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 2h

Mark Dominik also said that when he was #Bucs GM they wouldn't have their draft board set until the week before the draft.

That may explain a lot.

drs23
04-18-2014, 09:33 PM
That may explain a lot.

How so TK? I've read/heard that from several teams. We're not that far out and according to what we're hearing the Texans aren't lasered in yet as well. Could be BS from all but seems to be consistent among several teams.

NCTexan
04-19-2014, 03:35 PM
I'm intrigued by Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana

ArlingtonTexan
04-19-2014, 08:57 PM
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 2h

Mark Dominik also said that when he was #Bucs GM they wouldn't have their draft board set until the week before the draft.

I have heard this before, but also have seen other former Gms say that their initial board usually in FEB is about 80% accurate to what the one they will draft. at this point barring, major information on a prospect, no player makes any dramatic move up or down a board. just a few tweaks

infantrycak
04-19-2014, 09:18 PM
I have heard this before, but also have seen other former Gms say that their initial board usually in FEB is about 80% accurate to what the one they will draft. at this point barring, major information on a prospect, no player any dramatic moves up or down a board. just a few tweets

How things get reported can make the same facts sound very different.

Cold war joke. US and Soviet sprinters in a 2 man race which the US wins.

US press - The American won the day while the Soviet runner came in last.

Soviet press - Our glorious Soviet sprinter came in 2nd and the American was next to last.

Texian
04-21-2014, 07:55 PM
CBS Sports' Pete Prisco tweeted "NFL personnel believe Texans will trade out of top spot."

Prisco suggest The Falcons and Bills as two possibilities to trade up to No. 1 for Jadeveon Clowney, and believes the Rams might be an option "if the offer were right." This report could go hand in hand with Peter King's, which said (via a friend of) Houston GM Rich Smith preferred Khalil Mack over Clowney.

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/458242802149629952

mussop
04-21-2014, 09:20 PM
CBS Sports' Pete Prisco tweeted "NFL personnel believe Texans will trade out of top spot."

Prisco suggest The Falcons and Bills as two possibilities to trade up to No. 1 for Jadeveon Clowney, and believes the Rams might be an option "if the offer were right." This report could go hand in hand with Peter King's, which said (via a friend of) Houston GM Rich Smith preferred Khalil Mack over Clowney.

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/458242802149629952

This is not directed at you Texian. This is getting rediculous. People are just starting to throw **** at the wall hoping it sticks now. God I can't wait for the draft to get here.

Texian
04-21-2014, 09:40 PM
This is not directed at you Texian. This is getting rediculous. People are just starting to throw **** at the wall hoping it sticks now. God I can't wait for the draft to get here.

Agree, burnout is fast approaching, if not already here!

Heath Shuler
04-22-2014, 06:21 PM
NFL announces a record 30 players will attend the NFL Draft including 4 quarterbacks.


I would stay at home. It will be a very long nite in the green room if you dont get picked


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl3K9nYIgAAE2Ed.jpg

aussie_texan
04-22-2014, 07:49 PM
NFL announces a record 30 players will attend the NFL Draft including 4 quarterbacks.


I would stay at home. It will be a very long nite in the green room if you dont get picked


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl3K9nYIgAAE2Ed.jpg

who wants to guess how many of these guys will be selected in the 1st??

my guess is 20

JB
04-22-2014, 07:58 PM
who wants to guess how many of these guys will be selected in the 1st??

my guess is 20

I think 16

Lucky
04-22-2014, 08:01 PM
who wants to guess how many of these guys will be selected in the 1st??

my guess is 20
I would say 25. And remember, they're televising the 2nd night, too. Guys show up for that, as well.

aussie_texan
04-22-2014, 08:04 PM
I would say 25. And remember, they're televising the 2nd night, too. Guys show up for that, as well.

true, but we'll say just for the first

mussop
04-22-2014, 08:13 PM
who wants to guess how many of these guys will be selected in the 1st??

my guess is 20

Prospects attending the 2014 NFL Draft:
Odell Beckham, WR, LSU

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida

Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri

Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State

Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

Marqise Lee, WR, USC

Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

I'm going with 22. The bolded seem like locks to me.

Playoffs
04-23-2014, 12:11 PM
Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
#Patriots had a pre-draft visit for DE/OLB Demarcus Lawrence, but decided to cancel it. Lawrence could go off the board within top-50 picks.

Playoffs
04-23-2014, 03:27 PM
NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
WR's 6'2 or shorter selected in the top 10 of the NFL Draft since 2000: pic.twitter.com/NAhe2pzqTS (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl7tS_yCYAAHRKN.png)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl7tS_yCYAAHRKN.png

IDEXAN
04-23-2014, 04:49 PM
NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl7tS_yCYAAHRKN.png
Lot a busts in that list, huh ?

aussie_texan
04-23-2014, 09:12 PM
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2014, 09:22 PM
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??

No...it was not that long ago (2 years) that Welker, Wayne, cruz, steve smith were in that group. I like bigger, strong, faster like the next guy, but if a guy is skilled enough that inch really won't matter.

The Pencil Neck
04-23-2014, 10:34 PM
out of the top WRs in the league now, none are below 6.2
Fitz, A.Johnson, Megatron, Dez, Marshall, Gordon, Green. just to name a few.

For the guys that love watkins (i also think his a top 6 talent)
does this along with the above espn stat scare you??

I'm a Watkins guy that ESPN thing made me grimace and reconsider a little bit.

But... how do you define "top WRs in the league"? In terms of production last season, several guys were under 6' 2" -- Edelman, Garcon, Brown, Wright, Jackson -- were in the top 10 in Receptions or Yards or both. Granted, some of those guys aren't the big names but that doesn't mean they aren't productive. And when you factor in all the ways you can use Watkins both as a runner and as a receiver, he's like a bigger Percy Harvin, hopefully a more durable Percy Harvin.

I can't see how that's a bad thing.

badboy
04-23-2014, 10:44 PM
It helps Watkins that he would not be #1 guy on Texans & maybe not #2

ArlingtonTexan
04-23-2014, 11:41 PM
It helps Watkins that he would not be #1 guy on Texans & maybe not #2

If we make the assumption that he becomes a Texan, it would be with the long-term thought that one day (maybe two or three years) he would be the best WR on the team whrther Andre Johnson is still with us or not. don't think this is going to happen though.

aussie_texan
04-24-2014, 03:50 AM
I'm a Watkins guy that ESPN thing made me grimace and reconsider a little bit.

But... how do you define "top WRs in the league"? In terms of production last season, several guys were under 6' 2" -- Edelman, Garcon, Brown, Wright, Jackson -- were in the top 10 in Receptions or Yards or both. Granted, some of those guys aren't the big names but that doesn't mean they aren't productive. And when you factor in all the ways you can use Watkins both as a runner and as a receiver, he's like a bigger Percy Harvin, hopefully a more durable Percy Harvin.

I can't see how that's a bad thing.

most talented.
also those other names i think are either on the back of good QB play or have production due to the system.

the guys i mentioned are more talented and can win games on their own and dont need top QB or top offensive system to produce

aussie_texan
04-24-2014, 03:53 AM
No...it was not that long ago (2 years) that Welker, Wayne, cruz, steve smith were in that group. I like bigger, strong, faster like the next guy, but if a guy is skilled enough that inch really won't matter.

i totally agree but there is more than a coincidence for elite WRs being 6.3ft and above

Shezza
04-24-2014, 05:12 AM
NFL announces a record 30 players will attend the NFL Draft including 4 quarterbacks.





I would stay at home. It will be a very long nite in the green room if you dont get picked





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl3K9nYIgAAE2Ed.jpg



Garropolo ain't going round one. Only going to let himself down.

Stay home son.

Playoffs
04-24-2014, 01:00 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Asked D coach for a sleeper: #Princeton DT Caraun Reid. “People say lack of competition. But in @seniorbowl, he was kicking everyone’s ass.”

A TTalk mock late favorite.

badboy
04-24-2014, 01:16 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet


A TTalk mock late favorite.
I still think he can play DE.