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JRingo
02-23-2014, 07:20 PM
Hope this is the right forum as I am a newbie here. Heard on the radio that the NFL is considering a 15 yard penalty for use of the N word. Will that apply to all that use it? What about the use of the M word as in Mother or the F word as in others? Just curious as to what you think. Will we ever draw a line? Michael Sam seemed pretty thick skinned to me in his interview..

steelbtexan
02-23-2014, 08:10 PM
Hope this is the right forum as I am a newbie here. Heard on the radio that the NFL is considering a 15 yard penalty for use of the N word. Will that apply to all that use it? What about the use of the M word as in Mother or the F word as in others? Just curious as to what you think. Will we ever draw a line? Michael Sam seemed pretty thick skinned to me in his interview..

This is the new God'ell NFL.

Showtime100
02-23-2014, 08:26 PM
I never even thought of using the N word but I sure used a lot of other words when I played football. If I played today they'd suspend me just as soon as look at me for my filthy mouth.

Marshall
02-24-2014, 07:24 AM
I never even thought of using the N word but I sure used a lot of other words when I played football. If I played today they'd suspend me just as soon as look at me for my filthy mouth.

Why stop there? Just penalize all vulgarity. It will take time to adjust, but it can be done.

Double Barrel
02-24-2014, 10:23 AM
It's just words. Get over it, people.

Actions are what should be penalized. People choosing to be offended over mere words are thin-skinned.

This goes for society in general, as well. :howdy:

Ranger Tom
02-24-2014, 11:26 AM
Slurs of any kind should already be covered under the rules for unsportsmanlike conduct, which is 15 yards if I'm not mistaken.

TheIronDuke
02-24-2014, 01:10 PM
The problem is that it's not white people calling black players the n word, it's black players calling each other that. It's highly common and not used to offend each other and it's not racially charged at all. This is a stupid idea.

infantrycak
02-24-2014, 01:17 PM
The problem is that it's not white people calling black players the n word, it's black players calling each other that. It's highly common and not used to offend each other and it's not racially charged at all. This is a stupid idea.

Not really directed at you.

I think people are getting bent for no reason. It is not ordinary in the great majority of business contexts to run off at the mouth with racial epithets. Even vulgarity is frowned upon or prohibited. Seems like a giant walk on by, nothing to see to me.

Marcus
02-24-2014, 03:17 PM
So, they're doing away with the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty? Is that correct?

If it's not, please explain the difference.

nero THE zero
02-24-2014, 04:52 PM
This might be something more appropriate for NSZ, but I saw a commentator on ESPN discussing this. She said that you have to question the motives of the people implementing this policy; that if saying this word is a double standard, why do the people banning the word want to say it?

WTF?

It's racist to say the n-word; and now it's racist not to say the n-word?

This is ridiculous.

Malloy
02-24-2014, 04:55 PM
I'm guessing it's all about context?

Like the new taunting thingie, you could act up, but if it were directed at someone it's not ok...

I have no problem with doing it like that

ArlingtonTexan
02-24-2014, 05:29 PM
Not really directed at you.

I think people are getting bent for no reason. It is not ordinary in the great majority of business contexts to run off at the mouth with racial epithets. Even vulgarity is frowned upon or prohibited. Seems like a giant walk on by, nothing to see to me.

People are under the delusion that NFL is not a big corporate entity and the players are not real (or at least) normal humans.

Marshall
02-24-2014, 05:30 PM
It's just words. Get over it, people.

Actions are what should be penalized. People choosing to be offended over mere words are thin-skinned.

This goes for society in general, as well. :howdy:

Which means you have given in to the slide of the culture. Vulgarity does not have to be the way of life it has become. It is certainly unsportsmanlike, so I agree with the previous poster. Just tell the officials to start calling it, notify the teams to be aware of this change and implement it.

Why are you so thin skinned about losing the vulgarity?

JPPT1974
02-24-2014, 07:47 PM
This is the new God'ell NFL.

Goodell wants to make the NFL the No Fun League! But understand of the politically correct words of saying racial or discriminatory words. As people take that very seriously not just the NFL but the world!s

TheIronDuke
02-24-2014, 07:53 PM
Anyone who thinks vulgarity in sports is a recent event is living under a rock. Hell, coaches use vulgarity in high school football incredibly often, don't know how we're going to ask grown men to watch their language in a very intense and competitive environment. Guess the coaches can wash their mouths out with soap after each n bomb.

Playoffs
02-24-2014, 08:14 PM
The problem is that it's not white people calling black players the n word, it's black players calling each other that...

As Herm Edwards said, "The NFL is 70% black -- if the players wanted to put a stop this they would."

infantrycak
02-24-2014, 08:23 PM
Anyone who thinks vulgarity in sports is a recent event is living under a rock.

Who said recent had anything to do with it?

steelbtexan
02-24-2014, 09:57 PM
Goodell wants to make the NFL the No Fun League! But understand of the politically correct words of saying racial or discriminatory words. As people take that very seriously not just the NFL but the world!s

Why is this?

Blake
02-25-2014, 08:08 AM
Goodell says if just one person is offended by something that they will listen. The no-no say list is about to get really long.

infantrycak
02-25-2014, 08:13 AM
Goodell says if just one person is offended by something that they will listen. The no-no say list is about to get really long.

Again, if this is an appropriate rule for every other workplace in America why not the NFL?

Is Rooney some pansy who doesn't know football? He's already instituted a prohibition throughout the work environment for his players.

Personally, I cuss like a sailor (not the racial epithets part) but I have always been aware it is not appropriate in certain contexts and at work was subject to my bosses' restrictions.

ChampionTexan
02-25-2014, 08:46 AM
Okay guys - the "N" word will now draw a 15 yard penalty, and a hefty fine, so the next time you find yourself on the verge of using it, simply substitute the term "Redskin", and everything will be just fine.

HOU-TEX
02-25-2014, 09:12 AM
Meh, this just reeks of another feeble attempt by the NFL to cover themselves, somewhat. Same thing with the new rule last year banned the RB's to lower their heads while in open space. How many of those penalties were called?

Double Barrel
02-25-2014, 10:47 AM
Which means you have given in to the slide of the culture.

You are you a condescending prick in real life or do you just play one on the forum? I'd bet it is the former.

You sure babble a lot about your self-righteous perspectives.

I get offended by actions. Rape, genocide, murder, child molestation. Getting worked up over words is not something that concerns me.

People like you are why Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" were so relevant and funny.

There is always proper time and place. But, the NFL is a man's game. Oohhhh, they said a bad word. Throw a flag and call your mommy.

The "slide of culture"??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What a crock. Yeah, I'm laughing at you, not with you. :rolleyes:

infantrycak
02-25-2014, 11:05 AM
You are you a condescending prick in real life or do you just play one on the forum? I'd bet it is the former.

You sure babble a lot about your self-righteous perspectives.

I get offended by actions. Rape, genocide, murder, child molestation. Getting worked up over words is not something that concerns me.

People like you are why Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" were so relevant and funny.

There is always proper time and place. But, the NFL is a man's game. Oohhhh, they said a bad word. Throw a flag and call your mommy.

The "slide of culture"??? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What a crock. Yeah, I'm laughing at you, not with you. :rolleyes:

Agreed. While I think it is almost a non-issue because it is regular in business, it is also unnecessary and not an indication of a slide in culture. That is just laughable since we are talking about changing a long standing practice. Kind of the diametric opposite of slide.

Blake
02-25-2014, 11:10 AM
Again, if this is an appropriate rule for every other workplace in America why not the NFL?

Is Rooney some pansy who doesn't know football? He's already instituted a prohibition throughout the work environment for his players.

Personally, I cuss like a sailor (not the racial epithets part) but I have always been aware it is not appropriate in certain contexts and at work was subject to my bosses' restrictions.

Personally I see a difference between a workplace that is a mix of men and women in a business office vs. alpha males playing a sport that rewards barbaric behavior.

To each his own.

Speedy
02-25-2014, 11:17 AM
I don't have a problem with whatever rules the NFL company wants to make for their workplace, but it doesn't need to spill over to the field. If you want to fine a guy for dropping whatever bomb, fine, but slapping a 15 yard penalty on a team which effects the game is crap.

Can we just play the freaking game of football please?

infantrycak
02-25-2014, 11:21 AM
I don't have a problem with whatever rules the NFL company wants to make for their workplace, but it doesn't need to spill over to the field. If you want to fine a guy for dropping whatever bomb, fine, but slapping a 15 yard penalty on a team which effects the game is crap.

Can we just play the freaking game of football please?

Totally agree with that.

steelbtexan
02-25-2014, 11:32 AM
Somebody needs to tell God'Ell there's already a rule in place. It's called unsportsman like conduct.

TheIronDuke
02-25-2014, 11:37 AM
Who said recent had anything to do with it?

I was talking to Marshall who acts like it's just this generation of people who cuss. I usually keep him on ignore but I just had to look at his post.

Double Barrel
02-25-2014, 12:34 PM
Agreed. While I think it is almost a non-issue because it is regular in business, it is also unnecessary and not an indication of a slide in culture. That is just laughable since we are talking about changing a long standing practice. Kind of the diametric opposite of slide.

No doubt. We go from Deacon Jones openly admitting to loving the NFL because it's the first time that he could legally hit a white man with all his might and not get arrested to 15 yard penalty for potty mouth.

I figure the trenches of the NFL are somewhat akin to foxholes. This is not a 'normal' work environment and certainly far removed from more socially defined places like offices, schools, doctors offices, etc.

I deal with a lot of salty people in my business. Guys straight from the oil patch, off of vessels that have been at sea for weeks, truck drivers, etc. If I was to get upset every time someone dropped a cuss word, I'd be walking around offended and butt-hurt all day.

infantrycak
02-25-2014, 01:01 PM
I deal with a lot of salty people in my business. Guys straight from the oil patch, off of vessels that have been at sea for weeks, truck drivers, etc. If I was to get upset every time someone dropped a cuss word, I'd be walking around offended and butt-hurt all day.

Agreed. I have worked with many of the same as witnesses defending their companies. I get along with them much better than my brethren because of my being salty as well. I have also gotten some good laughs from "accidentally" dropping words in courtrooms a few times (works better in Texas than with the damn yankees). Context is everything.

Dread-Head
02-25-2014, 02:06 PM
To "Commissioner" Roger Godell I say "(N-word) PLEASE!" Get your head out of your @$$! 85% of the NFL is black and if you decide to do something THAT STUPID then you might as well RETRO fine half of the guys who've played pro ball.

You'd make TRILLIONS!

Marcus
02-26-2014, 01:38 PM
If someone feels so inclined to enlighten me, I've been curious about something.

There is now a penalty for taunting. What's the difference between taunting and trash-talk?

And is there anyone besides me that thinks all this N-word hubbub is just a disguised attempt to eliminate trash-talk. I hate slippery-slope scenarios, but I'm starting to wonder about this one.

ObsiWan
02-26-2014, 01:53 PM
Meh, this just reeks of another feeble attempt by the NFL to cover themselves, somewhat. Same thing with the new rule last year banned the RB's to lower their heads while in open space. How many of those penalties were called?

Methinks you've touched on the root cause. The NFL is covering themselves for possible future faux pas's. Boom mics are everywhere. AnD when they mic-up players they're probably tired of bleeping every other sentence because someone nearby is having a hissy.

And one of their biggest potential markets (maybe current markets) are kids. The NFL is trying to polish up its image to those kids and their parents.

Double Barrel
02-26-2014, 04:40 PM
Methinks you've touched on the root cause. The NFL is covering themselves for possible future faux pas's. Boom mics are everywhere. AnD when they mic-up players they're probably tired of bleeping every other sentence because someone nearby is having a hissy.

And one of their biggest potential markets (maybe current markets) are kids. The NFL is trying to polish up its image to those kids and their parents.

I have been to many little league football games in the past couple of years, and young players are getting their trash talking skills from their parents and coaches, not necessarily from professional athletes.

Some of the meekest and mildest natured kids flip a switch on the field. Something about a very physical and violent game like football tends to bring it out of people, even kids.

StarStruck
02-26-2014, 09:23 PM
And one of their biggest potential markets (maybe current markets) are kids. The NFL is trying to polish up its image to those kids and their parents.

I wonder if that new image will encourage the kids to clean up their acts in the school hallways.

HOU-TEX
02-27-2014, 09:16 AM
I have been to many little league football games in the past couple of years, and young players are getting their trash talking skills from their parents and coaches, not necessarily from professional athletes.

Some of the meekest and mildest natured kids flip a switch on the field. Something about a very physical and violent game like football tends to bring it out of people, even kids.

I can definitely agree with that. I would never sit in the stands where the rest of the parents were watching the game. I was always off to the side because I never wanted to have to confront one of these boneheads. My son and I are best friends, but I never lived my life through him, nor did I force him to live mine.

Dutchrudder
02-27-2014, 09:37 AM
Okay guys - the "N" word will now draw a 15 yard penalty, and a hefty fine, so the next time you find yourself on the verge of using it, simply substitute the term "Redskin", and everything will be just fine.

If I played for Dallas, Philly or NYG, I'd start using that word constantly. Can you imagine how awesome it would be for a player of a rival team to be the reason Washington has to change their name? That would be legendary, and it would piss off Dan Snyder.

Double Barrel
02-27-2014, 10:35 AM
If I played for Dallas, Philly or NYG, I'd start using that word constantly. Can you imagine how awesome it would be for a player of a rival team to be the reason Washington has to change their name? That would be legendary, and it would piss off Dan Snyder.

yeah, it is kinda' about intent, ain't it? If everyone started using "redskin" instead of 'nbombs', how would the NFL react?

At some point, is the NFL higher ups going to start penalizing any display of emotion out there? Seems like the direction the league is currently headed.

DBCooper
02-27-2014, 10:40 AM
yeah, it is kinda' about intent, ain't it? If everyone started using "redskin" instead of 'nbombs', how would the NFL react?

At some point, is the NFL higher ups going to start penalizing any display of emotion out there? Seems like the direction the league is currently headed.

Cyborgs are faster and stronger anyway.

infantrycak
02-27-2014, 10:45 AM
Cyborgs are faster and stronger anyway.

If they're part human they'll learn to cuss.

Double Barrel
02-27-2014, 10:55 AM
If they're part human they'll learn to cuss.

And then the NFL will penalize calling someone a 'metalhead' or something similar. :smiliepalm:

infantrycak
02-27-2014, 11:00 AM
And then the NFL will penalize calling someone a 'metalhead' or something similar. :smiliepalm:

Yo' mama was a chamber pot and your father sniffed butts for TSA. I'm gonna run by you while you spin around trying to piss on your own leg.

Double Barrel
02-27-2014, 12:03 PM
Yo' mama was a chamber pot and your father sniffed butts for TSA. I'm gonna run by you while you spin around trying to piss on your own leg.

:penalty: "800 yard penalty for implied vulgarity and bad attitude!"

Now you may kiss The Shield.

b0ng
02-28-2014, 08:47 AM
"Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards. He said ******. First down."

"After reviewing the play, the left guard called him a "half-negro piece of ****." There is no foul."

Maybe they can do the rule on a sliding scale, if a white guy drops the N-bomb his team gets 15 yards, but if a black guy says it his team only gets a 9 yard penalty. I think we can work with this.

ObsiWan
02-28-2014, 08:54 AM
"Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards. He said ******. First down."

"After reviewing the play, the left guard called him a "half-negro piece of ****." There is no foul."

Maybe they can do the rule on a sliding scale, if a white guy drops the N-bomb his team gets 15 yards, but if a black guy says it his team only gets a 9 yard penalty. I think we can work with this.

No. No. No.
Fifteen yards for everyone.
No discrimination.
:bat:

b0ng
02-28-2014, 08:55 AM
No. No. No.
Fifteen yards for everyone.
No discrimination.
:bat:

3/5ths joke.

infantrycak
02-28-2014, 10:21 AM
3/5ths joke.

So that's a 12 yd penalty for Obama. :kitten:

b0ng
02-28-2014, 12:04 PM
I hope black players start using codewords like fox news uses: "obama voters" "thugs" "urban feral"