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Playoffs
02-19-2014, 07:10 PM
PROSPECT PROFILE: KYLE VAN NOY (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67926876/byu-linebacker-kyle-van-noy-possible-first-round-pick-in-nfl-draft)
Could BYU's Kyle Van Noy be the most overlooked man in the NFL draft? Many pundits have anointed Jadeveon Clowney, Anthony Barr and Khalil Mack as the three best defensive ends available, and CJ Mosley as the most versatile linebacker, but Van Noy needs to be in the discussion. After analyzing six or more games of the aforementioned players, Van Noy rated second to Mack in percentage of plays made against the run, and he was number one in percentage of pass rush attempts leading to pressure or sacks.

More than that production, Van Noy's greatest strength may be his ability to...

Seems to be enough interest in KVN around here to warrant his own thread. While I don't see Dee Ford dropping to us at 2-1, Van Noy might. Is KVN a fit...? :logo:

Texian
02-19-2014, 07:17 PM
PROSPECT PROFILE: KYLE VAN NOY (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67926876/byu-linebacker-kyle-van-noy-possible-first-round-pick-in-nfl-draft)


Seems to be enough interest in KVN around here to warrant his own thread. While I don't see Dee Ford dropping to us at 2-1, Van Noy might. Is KVN a fit...? :logo:

Is he a fit? YES! Is he an option? NO, not at 2-1 with Reed and Mercilus on the roster and holes at DE, DT, TE.

_King_
02-19-2014, 07:41 PM
He's the best defensive player I've watched in this draft. I'd take him #1 overall and not blink. Really, on film I put him on par with bridgewater as the top prospects I've seen. If he's there at 2.1 you thank god, your lucky stars, or whatever and you pull that trigger.

Don't care about Reed or Mercilus. This guy has stud written all over him.

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 07:56 PM
Is he a fit? YES! Is he an option? NO, not at 2-1 with Reed and Mercilus on the roster and holes at DE, DT, TE.

Brooks Reed was rated 41st/42 3-4 OLBs and Whitney Mercilus was rated 42nd/42 3-4 OLBs overall last year -- that's last & laster, which matches their pass rush grade rankings except Mercilus shaded Reed.

Add in SCB Brice McCain's rating of 110th/110 CBs and those are the weakest links on our defense in 2013. (All >25% team snaps, PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/).)

We've got more holes than draft picks at this point, imo.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-19-2014, 08:28 PM
Brooks Reed AND Brandon Harris over Justin Houston. Little bit o weed drops you a lot. Houston was rated a first rd talent if I'm not mistaken


Your man... Pots and pans

Number19
02-19-2014, 08:45 PM
Is he a fit? YES! Is he an option? NO, not at 2-1 with Reed and Mercilus on the roster and holes at DE, DT, TE.Mercilus plays the elephant. Noy would play the strong side, allowing Reed to move inside. Reed doesn't have the skills to cover TE's playing on the outside. The real problem is, I'm beginning to see Van Noy slip into the bottom of the first round.

WolverineFan
02-19-2014, 09:19 PM
Mercilus plays the elephant. Noy would play the strong side, allowing Reed to move inside. Reed doesn't have the skills to cover TE's playing on the outside. The real problem is, I'm beginning to see Van Noy slip into the bottom of the first round.

I don't know why people are surprised. He overshadowed Ansah (#5 pick by Lions) last year. I have him rated top 20 on my board. I think he's better than Barr personally.

kiwitexansfan
02-19-2014, 09:19 PM
If he is there at 33, DO IT.

I doubt he will be though, he is that good.

Currently have him at #18 on my personal big board.

_King_
02-19-2014, 09:31 PM
Mercilus plays the elephant. Noy would play the strong side, allowing Reed to move inside. Reed doesn't have the skills to cover TE's playing on the outside. The real problem is, I'm beginning to see Van Noy slip into the bottom of the first round.

I think van noy can play either side and I wouldn't pencil in merciless not reed. Both should be competing for playing time. Didn't like the merciless pick at all when we made it but I won't write him off yet. Still has time to get better but he needs some real competition.

We need much better from our OLB's. Much better.

kiwitexansfan
02-19-2014, 09:48 PM
I don't know why people are surprised. He overshadowed Ansah (#5 pick by Lions) last year. I have him rated top 20 on my board. I think he's better than Barr personally.

He is my 3rd rated LB after Mack and Mosley.

The Pencil Neck
02-19-2014, 11:09 PM
I'd love to draft this kid, I just don't think he's going to be there for us.

Wolf6151
02-19-2014, 11:48 PM
He's currently ranked #38 on CBS big board, so yes I think there's a chance we could get him at 2-1. I know these rankings aren't engraved in stone and don't mean much on draft day but I do think it's possible he could be available at 2-1. I'd love to have him at SOLB.

In all honesty though I'd look for that 2-1 pick to be traded down, we've just got so many holes to fill and an extra 3rd would really come in handy.

TheMatrix31
02-20-2014, 04:04 AM
Trade down from 1 and get Matthews. Trade up with assets to get this guy. Then draft a QB in the third or whatever we have left.

Just a nice path we could take if it works.

Blake
02-20-2014, 07:30 AM
I think he is a fit. He is a fit for all 32 defenses. I am not spending anymore than the #33 pick on him. He is a nice player who could go in the 1st since he could play for any defense, but I think he is properly slotted at the very top of the 2nd.

He would be nice to have, but I think more pressing needs will be addressed with our #2.

Texian
02-20-2014, 07:46 AM
Brooks Reed was rated 41st/42 3-4 OLBs and Whitney Mercilus was rated 42nd/42 3-4 OLBs overall last year -- that's last & laster, which matches their pass rush grade rankings except Mercilus shaded Reed.

Add in SCB Brice McCain's rating of 110th/110 CBs and those are the weakest links on our defense in 2013. (All >25% team snaps, PFF (http://www.profootballfocus.com/).)

We've got more holes than draft picks at this point, imo.

All understood. However as of today there is no one on the depth chart at DE, DT, #2 TE, LILB and no salary cap $. You're absolutely RIGHT about holes and draft picks.

texan_joe
02-20-2014, 02:06 PM
If he is there at #33 and about they don't take him, they will regret it for a decade. He's a stud. They would also then be able to finally move Reed inside.
That said, he won't be there at 33. ILB is a big hole on this team, and if you were to take a LB at 33 then Shayne Skov should be the pick.

leebigeztx
02-21-2014, 04:05 AM
If ur viewing him as a rush olb, I think you will be disapointed. He's very good in coverage. With his ability to decipher route concepts.

Marshall
02-21-2014, 06:17 AM
Is he a fit? YES! Is he an option? NO, not at 2-1 with Reed and Mercilus on the roster and holes at DE, DT, TE.

OK. Say Van Noye and Amaro are both there at #33. Which do you choose? If I'm understanding you (Texian) correctly, it would be Jace Amaro.

What about the rest of you?

I'm out because I traded the 2nd in a series of trades for 2015 firsts.

Number19
02-21-2014, 11:37 AM
If ur viewing him as a rush olb, I think you will be disapointed. He's very good in coverage. With his ability to decipher route concepts.The SSOLB's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB, and in run support. Although called upon to rush the QB on occasion, it is not a primary responsibility. This responsibility falls to the ELEPHANT.

Blake
02-21-2014, 02:28 PM
OK. Say Van Noye and Amaro are both there at #33. Which do you choose? If I'm understanding you (Texian) correctly, it would be Jace Amaro.

What about the rest of you?

I'm out because I traded the 2nd in a series of trades for 2015 firsts.

Do I have any other options? I would say Amaro. Teddy is gonna need more weapons to grow with.

Texian
02-21-2014, 02:52 PM
OK. Say Van Noye and Amaro are both there at #33. Which do you choose? If I'm understanding you (Texian) correctly, it would be Jace Amaro.

What about the rest of you?

I'm out because I traded the 2nd in a series of trades for 2015 firsts.

To answer the question,Yes, I would take Amaro. However if Austin Safarian-Jenkins was also there at #33, he would be the pick.

leebigeztx
02-21-2014, 06:07 PM
The SSOLB's primary responsibility is in coverage against the TE and RB, and in run support. Although called upon to rush the QB on occasion, it is not a primary responsibility. This responsibility falls to the ELEPHANT.

Not really. In a 3-4 you want both of ur olbs to be good pass rushers,that's what makes them unpreditcable and effect. Look at the chiefs, steelers from couple yrs ago, and ne with rac. You didn't know which olb was coming because both were good pass rushers. If van noy is strictly or mostly a coverage olb,then you're not really running a 3-4. That's why I think van noy is probably better as a silb(buck) .

Number19
02-21-2014, 09:47 PM
Not really. In a 3-4 you want both of ur olbs to be good pass rushers,that's what makes them unpreditcable and effect. Look at the chiefs, steelers from couple yrs ago, and ne with rac. You didn't know which olb was coming because both were good pass rushers. If van noy is strictly or mostly a coverage olb,then you're not really running a 3-4. That's why I think van noy is probably better as a silb(buck) .I am simply repeating analysis of how Crennel ran his preferred defense in the past. Yes, on occassion, the SSlb does rush the QB. The elephant does so on nearly every play.

steelbtexan
02-21-2014, 10:00 PM
Van Noy would be a good replica of Vrabel.

leebigeztx
02-21-2014, 11:05 PM
I am simply repeating analysis of how Crennel ran his preferred defense in the past. Yes, on occassion, the SSlb does rush the QB. The elephant does so on nearly every play.

When willie and vrabel were in ne,vrabel rushed the qb as much as willie.In fact, without looking,vrabel would lead the team in sacks from the solb. When they got colvin,he rushed the qb just as much. What made those ne defenses top 5 were the fact all 4 lbs were ex de's except johnson. That RAC a lot of flexibility. To me, he's more of a coverage lb vs rush lb. That means most every pass down you're bringing whitney along with tthe other 3. Ideally, you want to make the offense guess who's coming.

_King_
02-21-2014, 11:48 PM
Vanoy can play either side in a 34.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 03:45 PM
BYU LB Kyle Van Noy's Combine Presser (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/BYU_LB_Kyle_Van_Noys_Combine_Presser/3bc13ad7-d47f-4adf-a5fc-fb1274af6c07)

KVN may be Barry White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aljwnqq6cZk) in disguise.

otisbean
02-22-2014, 07:05 PM
I'd love to grab Van Noy and play him inside next to Cushing. He covers well and is very fluid in space. Our ILBs outside of Cush are mediocre at best

ObsiWan
02-22-2014, 07:07 PM
BYU LB Kyle Van Noy's Combine Presser (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/BYU_LB_Kyle_Van_Noys_Combine_Presser/3bc13ad7-d47f-4adf-a5fc-fb1274af6c07)

KVN may be Barry White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aljwnqq6cZk) in disguise.

I dunno. I see Barry White as more of a space-eating NT.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/BW_Italy.jpg
:truck:

ObsiWan
02-22-2014, 07:09 PM
I'd love to grab Van Noy and play him inside next to Cushing. He covers well and is very fluid in space. Our ILBs outside of Cush are mediocre at best
Yeah, that way we could blitz either one and not be nervous about leaving the other guy in coverage.

otisbean
02-22-2014, 07:15 PM
Yeah, that way we could blitz either one and not be nervous about leaving the other guy in coverage.

Yep. I'm really hoping we trade down and grab a couple LBs. I'd love to have Van Noy inside. Our LB corp has left a lot to be desired. I'd love to see Mack or Barr on one side, Mercilus on the other with Cush and Van Noy inside. I think we'd finally see some pass rush

Playoffs
03-19-2014, 02:53 PM
Futures: BYU OLB Kyle Van Noy (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-byu-olb-kyle-van-noy)
By Matt WaldmanWhen my friend Ryan Riddle, Cal's all-time sack leader, says outside linebacker Kyle Van Noy has great instincts, that’s a player I want to watch.

"Some things in football cannot be coached. When it comes to play making instincts, you either have it or you don’t," says Riddle about Van Noy’s play-making abilities that he describes as "off the charts."

"I like to compare him to a linebacker version of Tyrann Mathieu in terms of his ability to be incredibly disruptive by knowing exactly how and when to take chances."

According to Riddle, Van Noy, who Football Outsiders projects as a first or early second-day pick, is earning mid-round grades. He explains that a player with good instincts can be often be characterized as product of a good system –- even lucky. Worse yet, a coach can sometimes mishandle a player with good instincts because the process isn't by the book.

I watched enough of Van Noy to say that he was often lucky, but it wasn’t blind luck. Van Noy’s good fortune comes from smart decisions, creativity, effort, and patience...

_King_
03-19-2014, 02:57 PM
I want Van Noy...No homo...

aussie_texan
03-27-2014, 08:00 PM
does anyone think that KVN could be an excellent ILB alongside cush??
i have watched him a bit over the last few weeks and i think he would be even better moving from OLB to ILB

Wolf6151
03-28-2014, 01:06 AM
does anyone think that KVN could be an excellent ILB alongside cush??
i have watched him a bit over the last few weeks and i think he would be even better moving from OLB to ILB

I think he'd be excellent at ILB, he's got the size, athleticism, and ability to diagnose a play quickly, he also drops well in zone coverage.

bah007
03-28-2014, 10:02 AM
Would he be a great ILB? Yes, I think so. But I think to maximize his skillset you still put him at SOLB. He really is the perfect player for that spot. He can cover, he can hold the edge, he can tackle, and he can rush the passer.

In any case, I don't think it will matter. Unless we are willing to trade up from #33, we won't get him.

Number19
03-28-2014, 11:16 AM
...Van Noy needs to be more consistent is in taking on and defeating offensive line and tight end blocks, on running plays to his side of the field. When he maintains leverage and uses his hands aggressively to take on the blocker, he can hold his ground, but he doesn't get free from big run blockers quickly enough to make tackles consistently. Talking to NFL sources, there is concern over Van Noy's lack of physical play against blockers, which has him pegged by some as a finesse player...http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67926876/byu-linebacker-kyle-van-noy-possible-first-round-pick-in-nfl-draft

...He is excellent playing in open space but once he is engaged, he struggles to get off blocks and make plays...In space, Kyle is an impact player. On the line against bigger offensive lineman he gives the effort and doesn’t give up, but his techniques are not very impressive. Add to that his arm tackling and lunging to tackle and you have a very talented outside linebacker who can play in any style of defense, but must improve his tackling and shedding blockers to stay on the field for every down...The Huddle Report

...Weaknesses: Strength versus downhill runs straight at him
Could stand to improve ability to shed blocks in run defense...http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014kvannoy.php

So there are issues for moving him inside.

_King_
03-28-2014, 11:50 AM
I think he could play any LB position but I'd leave him outside as I think he's an impact player out there.

I also think there's a good chance he's there at 2.1 since he doesn't have eye popping measureables.

Number19
03-28-2014, 01:51 PM
If we were to trade down with Buffalo, as discussed in the other thread, I'd be looking at Van Noy at #44. Assuming Tuitt is still available, I'd take him at #33.

ObsiWan
03-29-2014, 07:56 PM
Would he be a great ILB? Yes, I think so. But I think to maximize his skillset you still put him at SOLB. He really is the perfect player for that spot. He can cover, he can hold the edge, he can tackle, and he can rush the passer.

In any case, I don't think it will matter. Unless we are willing to trade up from #33, we won't get him.
Man I hope you're wrong about that. He's one of the guys I think would fit here perfectly.

Of course we'll probably end up drafting a TE at #33.
...oh wait, Kubiak gone.
Never mind.

infantrycak
03-29-2014, 08:26 PM
Of course we'll probably end up drafting a TE at #33.
...oh wait, Kubiak gone.
Never mind.

Not sure why this is a running joke. The Texans drafted 5 TEs during Kubiak's 8 year tenure. Nobody higher than a 4th.

I'd say OB would be the one more likely to draft a TE earlier.

_King_
03-29-2014, 08:34 PM
Not sure why this is a running joke. The Texans drafted 5 TEs during Kubiak's 8 year tenure. Nobody higher than a 4th.

I'd say OB would be the one more likely to draft a TE earlier.

Not disputing anything you're saying, but I think it has sonething to do with guys like watt and Barwin that used to play TE...Duane brown and I think we drafted some other OL that used to play TE. I think we may have picked some other guys up like that as well.

But I mean...it's just a joke.

ObsiWan
03-29-2014, 08:45 PM
Not sure why this is a running joke. The Texans drafted 5 TEs during Kubiak's 8 year tenure. Nobody higher than a 4th.

I'd say OB would be the one more likely to draft a TE earlier.
I think it probably originated during the 2009 draft when we picked TEs in back-to-back rounds, A.Hill (4th) and J. Casey (5th). Two TEs picked when we already had O.D. and Joel Dreessen on the roster. And then the very next draft we picked two TEs again; Graham and Dickerson. It kinda got to be a laugh to keep from crying running joke.

infantrycak
03-29-2014, 08:47 PM
Not disputing anything you're saying, but I think it has sonething to do with guys like watt and Barwin that used to play TE...Duane brown and I think we drafted some other OL that used to play TE. I think we may have picked some other guys up like that as well.

But I mean...it's just a joke.

The origin is when they took Hill and Casey with back to back picks...reinforced when they took Graham the next draft. But it hasn't proven to be true overall.

_King_
03-29-2014, 09:05 PM
The origin is when they took Hill and Casey with back to back picks...reinforced when they took Graham the next draft. But it hasn't proven to be true overall.

I know.

Just saying that the jokes have kept going because of the other guys that have played TE. People keep saying kubiak loved TEs and a lot of times it's when they find out x player used to play TE at some point.

Playoffs
04-13-2014, 11:00 AM
Kyle Van Noy interview at his Jaguars team visit:

http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Kyle-Van-Noy-Visits-Jacksonville/275dbd9e-5e33-4a3f-9ff4-7f379f688448