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_King_
02-17-2014, 07:19 PM
Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.

Marshall
02-17-2014, 07:20 PM
Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.

It either will or won't happen before the draft. At least it won't be drawn out.

infantrycak
02-17-2014, 07:41 PM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 07:53 PM
I likes me some Smiff... hope he's a fit and the price is right.

steelbtexan
02-17-2014, 07:56 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO

Bulls on Parade
02-17-2014, 08:04 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO
Agreed. I think it's time to move on. A lot of young and exciting players in this draft that we can land. We need an infusion of young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Our pass rush and the entire front seven can greatly improve. J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing can't do it by themselves.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:15 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO

I think Antonio is a rock!

He's been one the most consistent players we have had in his time here.

steelbtexan
02-17-2014, 08:25 PM
I think Antonio is a rock!

He's been one the most consistent players we have had in his time here.

Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

PapaL
02-17-2014, 08:29 PM
I'd like to see a younger cheaper guy but if the price is right a front line of JJ, Ninja, and Clowney would be deadly.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:32 PM
Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.

Brisco_County
02-17-2014, 08:54 PM
The team has a need for him. Re-signing to a smaller contract is a win/win.

PapaL
02-17-2014, 08:56 PM
Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.

Does the same theory apply to #8?

TexansSeminole
02-17-2014, 08:57 PM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

The team has a need for him. Re-signing to a smaller contract is a win/win.

Agreed.

We need him back, our depth at d-line is not good.

I'm also interested in what happens to Wade Smith, not to derail the thread.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:58 PM
Does the same theory apply to #8?

You have a point.

I think Antonio would have to cut off his foot to compare the two.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-17-2014, 09:39 PM
Meh, I could care less if he is not resigned, if he's kept cheap , alright if not oh we'll. "happy trails good sir"


Your man... Pots and pans

_King_
02-17-2014, 10:08 PM
I'd love for Antonio to come back at the right price. Maybe something like Cak says.

I think Antonio is a good player to have on your football team. Brings some good attitude to that DLine. Plus he's a vet, and I expect us to be competing again very soon. Grab a real NT, and sign Antonio to a reasonable deal. The less holes come draft time the better.

Allstar
02-17-2014, 10:13 PM
Good to have him on board if he's cheap.

Goldensilence
02-17-2014, 10:29 PM
Good compliment across from JJ, high motor guy and might not be a sack artist but is consistently disruptive. Depth at the spot isn't great either but with cak here 2-3 deal could work we'll with both sides.

Norg
02-17-2014, 11:36 PM
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-18-2014, 12:03 AM
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back



I would say see ya to





66 Andrew Gardner OT

88 Garrett Graham TE

41 Jonathan Grimes RB

68 Ryan Harris OT

33 Greg Jones FB

39 Deji Karim RB

43 Elbert Mack CB

53 Joe Mays ILB

51 Darryl Sharpton ILB

94 Antonio Smith DE

74 Wade Smith G

44 Ben Tate RB





Restricted FAs

18 Lestar Jean WR

97 Terrell McClain NT

92 Earl Mitchell NT





pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman



and then like see ya



7 Case Keenum

13 T. J. Yates



Running backs

28 Dennis Johnson



Wide receivers

17 Alec Lemon

82 Keshawn Martin

11 DeVier Posey

83 Rico Richardson

-- Mike Thomas



Tight ends



81 Owen Daniels





55 Chris Myers C

75 Derek Newton T







96 Tim Jamison DE

54 Mike Mohamed ILB

52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB

57 Justin Tuggle ILB









24 Johnathan Joseph CB

31 Shiloh Keo FS

38 Danieal Manning SS

21 Brice McCain CB



4 Randy Bullock K

9 Shane Lechler P

46 Jon Weeks LS


So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

Norg
02-18-2014, 12:07 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

Wolf6151
02-18-2014, 01:15 AM
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.

V3rm0nt3r
02-18-2014, 03:08 AM
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

You're missing a few games in that record, but i digress.

There's a critical difference in the two situations that you've compared here. While Indy was completely dependent on Manning to maintain winning records before he went down and his team subsequently tanked, Houston was coming off back to back playoff berths on the arms of T.J. Yates and Matt Schaub (AKA NOT Peyton) before this abomination of a season occurred.

This organizational discrepancy points to the fact that there must be a substantially greater amount of inherent talent on this roster than you seem to have given Rick Smith credit for (and reasonably so, I might add, considering this past season).

Grams
02-18-2014, 05:47 AM
I don't understand some of you guys sometimes.

You keep saying we need more depth on the D, but you want to get rid of a very good player like Antonio.

Yes I agree that price needs to be right and we do not need to overpay. But he is a valuable member of this team.

Marshall
02-18-2014, 06:15 AM
I'm glad you're not the GM.ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS

I'm glad you're not the GM. We'd be in worse shape than a new franchise.

ps You're OK with one of the players who should be on the bubble.

mussop
02-18-2014, 07:03 AM
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.

steelbtexan
02-18-2014, 08:40 AM
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.

While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 08:45 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take
On defense all we need is JJ Watt. Maybe Cushing for a few games until he reinjures. Watt beats 5-team blocks to sack QBs before they can complete their drop backs. :swatter:

On offense all we need is Johnny Football and Andre Johnson. Nobody can catch JFF scrambling and AJ beats box-4 coverages easily.

Winning!

http://welcometosandyland.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/charlie-sheen-winning-gif.gif

IDEXAN
02-18-2014, 09:05 AM
On the one hand I'm very much of an AS fan, but on the other the more likely his return becomes then the less likely our drafting Clowney becomes, not that I necessarily expect us to draft him with our 1.1.
But popular and successful players who become FAs are always talking about coming back to their team, wanting to come back, how happy they are in the city with the fans and living in that city, blah, blah, etc.

TexansSeminole
02-18-2014, 09:39 AM
While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.

I was unaware of this situation.

Link (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6930734&src=desktop&wjb)

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.

steelbtexan
02-18-2014, 10:11 AM
I was unaware of this situation.

Link (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6930734&src=desktop&wjb)

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.

I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

infantrycak
02-18-2014, 10:41 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.

Double Barrel
02-18-2014, 10:44 AM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

My thoughts, as well. Plus he's a leader, which is something the new coaching staff will need in their first year.

NCTexan
02-18-2014, 10:47 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool?

These people are adults. It's not Antonio's job to hold hands with every guest and make sure they know their limits.

deucetx
02-18-2014, 10:55 AM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

Pretty much my feelings. He's a good player. Not great but still effective. Hell, he's been our only 'other' consistent pass rusher. I do wish he would maintain his running lanes a bit better but that could come with the proper scheme/coaching. He plays hard all the time, is a leader and gives the team some attitude so would like him back with a reasonable cost of course. Plus, this isn't Madden. You can't just let every single piece go but a handful and expect progress. You have cap space and limited flexibility and we already have little to no depth. In today's NFL where injuries happen at an obnoxious rate you need depth so if you have someone solid you should probably hold onto them if possible.

TexanBacker93
02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.

HOU-TEX
02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
I'd take Tone back in a heart beat, but not for the $ he's been getting paid.

I'd go 3 years 10.5 maybe

ChampionTexan
02-18-2014, 11:40 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play,

The Colts had 23 players who were on both the season ending 2011 roster and the opening day 2012 roster. That's 57% turnover. Obviously players on IR at the end of 2011 who were back at the beginning of 2012 could skew that percentage up a bit, but by almost anybody's definition, it was high turnover.

That said, Norg's list is ridiculous.

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/five-positions-indianapolis-colts-still-improve-fans-170500463--nfl.html)

badboy
02-18-2014, 11:41 AM
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.
On same page, most know I have advocated letting him go as don't think he will return for reasonable $ but if he will AND O'brien thinks he fits system (sort of surprises me) then that would allow us to use a high pick other area. I have Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt with our second pick. If Ninja is signed we could go RB with Hyde in second. Foster remains huge question for me.

Cap: A much lower deal brings a starter back, offers more cap and frees up a pick; that is hard to argue. Still trying to fit Smith into system especially since when he came here he did not want to be a "plug line" DT but wanted to go for QB IIRC.

Norg
02-18-2014, 11:43 AM
I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.


actually they did if u look at there roster pre and post manning

look we can just look a star name value look were that got us

and u do realize a team only consist of 53 players so if we do purge its up to BOb and rick to find the best young talent the hidden undrafted gems to make up that 53

its not like purging is a bad thing esp coming off a 2-14 season

Kubes did it in 2005-06

so if not this year I bet next year BOB will do the same esp if his job is on the line like if we go like

6-10 this season

ObsiWan
02-18-2014, 12:07 PM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

The guy who died was a friend of Antonio's and a friend of the family. I'm sure A.S. was probably sick about it.

From this report (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texans-player-s-pool-party-ends-with-drowning-2155699.php) it seems to me everyone had either retired from poolside and gone inside the house or left the party. Apparently this one person stayed outside by himself. Or went back out by the pool on the way to his car, tripped and fell in. Who knows.

And yeah, I've been to - and hosted - parties where folks have passed out and we had to "put them to bed" to keep them from driving home. But you cannot keep an eye on everyone. And you cannot really know everyone's limit.

CloakNNNdagger
02-19-2014, 08:25 PM
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

Veteran defensive end Antonio Smith had been very open about his desire to return to the Texans next season. But Smith, 32, has been aware that a 2-14 team may not have interest in resigning a lineman on the wrong side of 30. Add a new coach to the mix, and it seemed unlikely the Ninja would be back.

But on Monday Smith struck a surprisingly optimistic tone.

“I had a good conversation with coach O’Brien. Me and him just got a good feel for each other,” Smith said on Nate and Creight. “From what my agent tells me, the team and coach O’Brien really like me.”

Smith went on to say that his agent has had a few preliminary conversations with the Texans.

“They’re looking forward to trying to find a way to work something out.” Smith said.

After seeing the Miami locker room suffer a complete leadership breakdown, having a strong presence like Antonio Smith in the locker room would be an asset for a first year coach like O’Brien.link (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/after-talking-to-obrien-antonio-smith-optimistic-about-returning/)

steelbtexan
02-19-2014, 09:40 PM
Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.

I didn't say that I was consistent. I don't think Smith is a player you can win with. I don't care for him personally either. He's part of a long standing problem in Houston. I feel the same way that I did about Winston.

Dave Smith's $$$$ put that $$$$ with Schaub/OD's $$$$ and get Soliai.

Brisco_County
02-20-2014, 12:42 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

This really isn't indicative of his character or friends. My girlfriend in college had a friend who died the same way as Smith's friend, and from what I knew, he was a pretty responsible dude. I've also attended and thrown countless parties where otherwise respectable people pass out or do crazy stuff. Hard partying is an indiscriminating American tradition. :wesmantexanfan:

_King_
02-20-2014, 07:29 AM
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

link (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/after-talking-to-obrien-antonio-smith-optimistic-about-returning/)

That's the interview I heard.

It sounded like it was a real possibility he'd be back. Seems like a lot of people wrote the possibility off.

I hope they can make it work. I like what Antonio brings to the defense.

Insideop
02-20-2014, 10:32 AM
Signing Antonio might have just gotten a little easier. Reports are coming out (I heard it on 610.) that the cap will be moved up to about 130 million.

Texanmike02
02-20-2014, 01:22 PM
On a team that has significant holes (I don't think the cabinet is as bare as many of you do but I acknowledge that we do have some serious deficiencies) you don't create another hole by letting a good player go.

Smith is a versatile, successful player and has an attitude and agression that I don't think we see enough of from the rest of the roster. You don't overpay for him but if he is close to reasonable he is a must sign in my book.

All of this stuff about the pool incident is garbage. Some guy was a jack ass at one of his parties, end of story.

Bottom line: AS has been very effective in almost every role he has been asked to play.

Why create a hole when we are trying to fill them?

Mike

infantrycak
02-20-2014, 02:19 PM
You are only going to get so many stars on your team. Antonio Smith is exactly what you want in the remainder - solid players right on the edge of pro bowl level performance. Guys like Smith and Jamie Sharper are the backbones of good NFL teams. You improve your team most by replacing weak sisters like McCain with guys like Smith, not by churning cheap bodies through positions filled with guys like him. You only get rid of guys like Smith if they demand payment like perennial probowlers.

Texian
02-20-2014, 02:52 PM
Using Dwight Freeney and John Abraham as a barometer for re-signing Ninja I think it would take a 2 yr contract at approx $4mil cap hit each year.

badboy
02-20-2014, 03:08 PM
Using Dwight Freeney and John Abraham as a barometer for re-signing Ninja I think it would take a 2 yr contract at approx $4mil cap hit each year.

And that would save us $5m to use elsewhere. :handshake:

Texian
02-20-2014, 03:43 PM
And that would save us $5m to use elsewhere. :handshake:

Not sure how that would save us $5 million since Ninja is a FA. By my calculations that would be an additional $4 million to the current salary cap.

_King_
02-20-2014, 03:47 PM
I don't understand the no's on bringing smith back. If he can be had at a reasonable price, you make that happen.

infantrycak
02-20-2014, 04:13 PM
Not sure how that would save us $5 million since Ninja is a FA. By my calculations that would be an additional $4 million to the current salary cap.

You are both correct.

It is an additional $4 mil on the current cap calculation which has too few players on it and will obviously get filled.

It is also a $5 mil savings over what that position cost to fill last season.

drs23
02-20-2014, 05:11 PM
I didn't say that I was consistent. I don't think Smith is a player you can win with. I don't care for him personally either. He's part of a long standing problem in Houston. I feel the same way that I did about Winston.

Dave Smith's $$$$ put that $$$$ with Schaub/OD's $$$$ and get Soliai.

Dave's not here. (in your best stoner voice)

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 06:05 PM
You are only going to get so many stars on your team. Antonio Smith is exactly what you want in the remainder - solid players right on the edge of pro bowl level performance. Guys like Smith and Jamie Sharper are the backbones of good NFL teams. You improve your team most by replacing weak sisters like McCain with guys like Smith, not by churning cheap bodies through positions filled with guys like him. You only get rid of guys like Smith if they demand payment like perennial probowlers.

I would rather sign a great player like Soliai using the $$$$$ saved from Schaub/AS and draft a solid player like Taylor Hart to compete with Crick for AS spot.

Getting difference makers with FA $$$$$ and filling in the holes with draft picks/vet min FA's is the way I would go.

Of course the Texans will probably do what most on this board want and re-sign AS. Therefore maintain mediocrity for another 3 yrs.

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 06:08 PM
Dave's not here. (in your best stoner voice)

Brain fart

Norg
02-21-2014, 01:36 AM
How long has Ninja been in the league like 8 nine years


hes a few years away from retirement hes to old and gets payed 2 much


thanks ninja but u couldn't cut it in Arozina or Texas alla taking dis team to the Supperr ehhh AFC championship LOL set my bar kinda low

im thinking brien knows and told BOB look I need at least one year to fix dis mess kinda like a purge the terrible word Rebuilding year

HouTx11
02-21-2014, 03:42 AM
Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

You are correct that did happen. As for the hailmary TD, the Texans should've already won the game had it not been for Joel Dreessen.

Marshall
02-21-2014, 06:05 AM
You are both correct.

It is an additional $4 mil on the current cap calculation which has too few players on it and will obviously get filled.

It is also a $5 mil savings over what that position cost to fill last season.

Good explanation. I almost said the same thing and then decided to read a couple of extra posts.

Scooter
02-21-2014, 07:46 AM
i would love to get antonio back. i think there are few more underrated players in the league, but as a 3-4 defensive end his contributions are mostly unnoticed. similarly, when you've got possibly the best defensive player since reggie white on the other side, being overlooked is going to happen. he's fun for the fans, and he's one of the vets that by all reports gives everything he can to help younger players. i don't see it happening though because he's in his twilight and simply going to cost too much to give a retirement contract to. i think he's one that romeo would love to keep however. the ninja can stack a double team, penetrate outside or in, and can play any position on the line.

BigBull17
02-21-2014, 03:27 PM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

You've never had someone pass out at one of your parties? What kind of boring ass shindigs do you throw?

kingtexan
02-22-2014, 10:04 AM
Unless he can play NT, or we move to a 4-3, not sure how he will fit once Clowney gets here ... :runaway:

infantrycak
02-22-2014, 10:13 AM
Unless he can play NT, or we move to a 4-3, not sure how he will fit once Clowney gets here ... :runaway:

Given Clowney's 266 lbs they aren't up for the same spot.

House of Pain
02-22-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

steelbtexan
02-22-2014, 12:46 PM
Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

Scoreboard

People who have died at party

SB=0
AS=1

kingtexan
02-23-2014, 09:59 AM
Given Clowney's 266 lbs they aren't up for the same spot.

So in a 3-4 would one be the NT or would both be ends?

infantrycak
02-23-2014, 10:24 AM
So in a 3-4 would one be the NT or would both be ends?

Clowney has no place on the DL, he would need to be OLB.

He is 25lbs lighter than the lightest DE Crennel has ever used and is exactly in line with the OLBs.

Vinnie
02-27-2014, 01:38 PM
Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

I know this thread is old, but how are you so sure he hasn't thrown any parties since then?

badboy
02-28-2014, 03:44 PM
I know this thread is old, but how are you so sure he hasn't thrown any parties since then?
Why does it matter as long as he does nothing wrong?

Texian
03-03-2014, 10:52 AM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/osi-umenyiora/

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 11:06 AM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/osi-umenyiora/

What about him? He isn't an AS replacement.

Texian
03-03-2014, 11:10 AM
What about him? He isn't an AS replacement.

He is a very similar player to AS and link is to the contract that he signed last year. In a thread titled Bringing Antonio Back, this is a general idea of what it might cost to do just that.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 11:17 AM
He is a very similar player to AS and link is to the contract that he signed last year. In a thread titled Bringing Antonio Back, this is a general idea of what it might cost to do just that.

He is nothing like AS as a player. Dude is 255 lbs. He would be in competition with Mercilus here not a replacement for AS.

But cost wise, maybe same ball park. Osi supposedly gave something of a hometown discount but maybe AS will as well.

_King_
03-03-2014, 11:36 AM
I think if you can get Antonio back for that price you jump on it. Hopefully Antonio enjoys Houston and wants to make it work.

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:39 AM
I think if you can get Antonio back for that price you jump on it. Hopefully Antonio enjoys Houston and wants to make it work.

Ehh....IIRC, he left Arizona because he didn't want to play 3-4 DE and wanted to rush the passer. He was okay with Wade because he ran a non-traditional one-gap 3-4 where he could still rush the passer. I don't see him coming back and being a more traditional 3-4 DE unless he gets zero interest in the FA market.

Vinny
03-03-2014, 11:48 AM
I'd be shocked to see him on the roster next season.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 12:38 PM
Ehh....IIRC, he left Arizona because he didn't want to play 3-4 DE and wanted to rush the passer. He was okay with Wade because he ran a non-traditional one-gap 3-4 where he could still rush the passer. I don't see him coming back and being a more traditional 3-4 DE unless he gets zero interest in the FA market.

I'm not sure that reported comment still applies. That was before he had 3-4 experience. After having been in one he may be much less hesitant even in a less penetrating system.

House of Pain
03-03-2014, 02:15 PM
Scoreboard

People who have died at party

SB=0
AS=1

I still see that as a 50% death rate for two 'known' parties. :kitten:

TexansSeminole
03-03-2014, 02:51 PM
I'm not sure that reported comment still applies. That was before he had 3-4 experience. After having been in one he may be much less hesitant even in a less penetrating system.

Arizona did run a multiple type defense back when AS was there. He had at least a little experience playing in the 3-4 before he came to Houston.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 03:04 PM
Arizona did run a multiple type defense back when AS was there. He had at least a little experience playing in the 3-4 before he came to Houston.

I'm aware. I still think AS's early comments may be overplayed and they overlook his recent comments on wanting to stay which IMO were more sincere than the typical pro forma statements made.

_King_
03-03-2014, 03:10 PM
One thing BOB and to a smaller degree have mentioned is shaping their defense to fit what they need.

If you listen to or hear Antonio he sounded like him coming back was a real possibility. I don't think that would be the case if crennel or bob had given him an inkling that he wouldn't fit what they wanted to do.

For all we know they may see Antonio as a guy who will have a reduced role but still be a valuable piece to the team. Or they could see him as a guy they will fit into what they do.

Honestly I probably wouldn't have started the thread or felt like it was a possibility he'd be back had I not heard the interview. He sounded sincere to me and really Antonio has not been one to blow a bunch if smoke.

Playoffs
03-14-2014, 07:37 PM
Gonna miss me some Smiff.

On the Nose, the origin of the Ninja: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/On-the-Nose-with-Shaun-Cody-Ninjas/8d7a1aad-e75d-4057-be2b-859ed0f557d6

stealfness

ArlingtonTexan
03-14-2014, 08:29 PM
well, he is not coming back

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/antonio-smith-lands-in-oakland/

Texan_Bill
03-14-2014, 08:31 PM
So apparently "the Ninja" knows his career is over.... #OaklandRaiders

Where careers go to die.

_King_
03-14-2014, 09:09 PM
Well...goodbye smiff...

On a side note, Oakland front might be pretty good next year.

htownfan32
03-14-2014, 11:16 PM
Going to miss Smith's personality. Added a lot of character to our defense. Wish him luck in Oakland when not playing against us.

PapaL
03-15-2014, 12:06 AM
To me not bringing him back is a big sign for the Pro-Clowney draft a QB at 2-1 camp.

imatexan
03-15-2014, 12:12 AM
Going to miss Antonio, he was entertaining.

CretorFrigg
03-15-2014, 12:20 AM
With Antonio Smith gone, the defense should have fewer penalties.

Sigma
03-15-2014, 09:25 AM
To me not bringing him back is a big sign for the Pro-Clowney draft a QB at 2-1 camp.

either that or they want people to believe we want to take clowney but instead trade down

_King_
03-15-2014, 10:14 AM
I don't think clowney would play DE here. He's kind of smallish for that role.

Unless we go to a 43. Which I'm not sure is completely out of the question.

Texian
03-15-2014, 12:12 PM
IMHO not re-signing Ninja had much more to do with not having enough salary cap dollars than drafting Clowney. For starters Ninja nad Clowney would play different positions in RCs D.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 01:11 PM
Party on Antonio

You should fit in with the Raiders well.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 01:14 PM
Going to miss Antonio, he was entertaining.

And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

imatexan
03-15-2014, 02:21 PM
And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

Also the our second best DE on two playoff teams that won 2 playoff games.

It wasn't Antonio's fault we were 2-14.

TheMatrix31
03-15-2014, 08:38 PM
With Antonio Smith gone, the defense should have fewer penalties.


I loved Antonio Smith but he cost us so much with his undisciplined play.

Gonna miss him, but won't miss the idiocy.

Bulls on Parade
03-15-2014, 08:53 PM
Clowney has no place on the DL, he would need to be OLB.

He is 25lbs lighter than the lightest DE Crennel has ever used and is exactly in line with the OLBs.
Very true but also you have to realize that Jared Crick is only 6'4 and 287. Jared Crick is often manhandled as a right end in a 3-4 defense. He looked horrible anytime he was on the field last year. Without Antonio Smith are we really going to start Crick? I'd rather have Jadeveon Clowney playing over Jared Crick any day of the week. Jadeveon Clowney is 6'6 and 274 -- was down to 266 at the combine to run the 40-yard dash faster.

But anyways, are you telling me he can't easily bulk up to 290 if needed? Granted he has that foot injury which I'm concerned about. He may need to have surgery on it before he puts on more pounds. Clowney said he'll wait until he's drafted and let the team decide what he should do.

If the Texans have to start Jared Crick at defensive right end on the opposite side of J.J. Watt it's going to be a long, and I mean very longgggggg season. Another 2-14 record? Hmm, may as well start talking about Jameis Winston number one overall in the 2015 draft if that's the case.

Let's sign Vince Wilfork once he's released, draft Jadeveon Clowney to play defensive right end. All of a sudden a J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork and Jadeveon Clowney front three looks pretty sensational on paper.

Move Brooks Reed to inside linebacker with Brian Cushing. We can draft an outside linebacker in round three or four, assuming we draft a quarterback in round two. And we already have Whitney Mercilus at one of the starting spots at outside linebacker.

The Texans should have a dominating 3-4 defense in 2014 under Romeo Crennel.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 09:35 PM
Also the our second best DE on two playoff teams that won 2 playoff games.

It wasn't Antonio's fault we were 2-14.

It was nobody's fault.

It's past time to clean house.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 09:40 PM
Very true but also you have to realize that Jared Crick is only 6'4 and 287. Jared Crick is often manhandled as a right end in a 3-4 defense. He looked horrible anytime he was on the field last year. Without Antonio Smith are we really going to start Crick? I'd rather have Jadeveon Clowney playing over Jared Crick any day of the week. Jadeveon Clowney is 6'6 and 274 -- was down to 266 at the combine to run the 40-yard dash faster.

But anyways, are you telling me he can't easily bulk up to 290 if needed? Granted he has that foot injury which I'm concerned about. He may need to have surgery on it before he puts on more pounds. Clowney said he'll wait until he's drafted and let the team decide what he should do.

If the Texans have to start Jared Crick at defensive right end on the opposite side of J.J. Watt it's going to be a long, and I mean very longgggggg season. Another 2-14 record? Hmm, may as well start talking about Jameis Winston number one overall in the 2015 draft if that's the case.

Let's sign Vince Wilfork once he's released, draft Jadeveon Clowney to play defensive right end. All of a sudden a J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork and Jadeveon Clowney front three looks pretty sensational on paper.

Move Brooks Reed to inside linebacker with Brian Cushing. We can draft an outside linebacker in round three or four, assuming we draft a quarterback in round two. And we already have Whitney Mercilus at one of the starting spots at outside linebacker.

The Texans should have a dominating 3-4 defense in 2014 under Romeo Crennel.

This is what I would do. Except I would draft a DE in rd 3-4 and let Clowney play the Leo position. I would also draft a LB late in the draft. Bullough is somebody I would look at. Depth at LB is badly needed.

Norg
03-15-2014, 10:50 PM
which team will have more wins next Year Raiders or da Texans



reall talk LOL

Goldensilence
03-16-2014, 06:31 PM
And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

More like the wheels fell off this team. I think more than the team quitting in Kubiak the real short comings of this team and staff showed starting with Schaub and trickling down. Though backdooring into the previous year's playoffs had to make people nervous.

JB
03-16-2014, 06:34 PM
More like the wheels fell off this team. I think more than the team quitting in Kubiak the real short comings of this team and staff showed starting with Schaub and trickling down. Though backdooring into the previous year's playoffs had to make people nervous.


How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Showtime100
03-16-2014, 06:36 PM
So he's gone. Next man up. I wish him well and hope he stays healthy, but that's about as much sentiment as I can muster.

Goldensilence
03-16-2014, 07:50 PM
How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Not saying the last two years completely, but... You did see the offense bottom out the last four games of the season prior to waking up enough to get past the Bengals?

Vance87
03-16-2014, 09:53 PM
Not saying the last two years completely, but... You did see the offense bottom out the last four games of the season prior to waking up enough to get past the Bengals?

Yeah that was bad. I thought for sure the Bengals would whoop our butts.

Trail.Blazr
03-17-2014, 09:25 AM
How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

The Pencil Neck
03-17-2014, 12:18 PM
Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

A few years ago, the weakest division was the NFC West. They had a playoff team (the Seahawks) who won the division and went to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.

A few years ago, the strongest division was the AFC South with three teams with double digit wins and the weakest team was 8-8.

These things change.

ObsiWan
03-17-2014, 03:09 PM
Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

Sincerely,
The New England Patriots

Trail.Blazr
03-17-2014, 03:37 PM
A few years ago, the weakest division was the NFC West. They had a playoff team (the Seahawks) who won the division and went to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.

A few years ago, the strongest division was the AFC South with three teams with double digit wins and the weakest team was 8-8.

These things change.

Yes the change. But the two seasons the Texans did so-called back door it, was with no relevant competition in the division. Manning injured Indy first year, then rookie Luck in year 2, who still challenged the Texans. In either year, Houston struggled mightily against legit playoff contenders. ObsiWan makes light of the Patriots, who last year legitimately had a quasi-backdoor season, but prior years, while their division may have remained weak, they still played to a level that I wouldn't consider backdoor level. If anything they were what kept that division from being considered the weakest.

To me the difference is Houston benefited from being in a weak division for 2 years, where as the Patriots took advantage of theirs.

I agree with imatexan, Antonio is not to blame for 2-14, but I do consider him to be a journeyman. I liked his personality and on more than one occasion was glad he was a Texan. He did stay on the field and contributed to more than one great play, but don't consider him as a "play maker" and am glad Houston won't be paying 9 mill for the next 2 years to keep him in a system he's figured not to be an every down player anymore.

House of Pain
03-19-2014, 10:49 AM
I'm just worried about who on our D is going to step up and get a personal foul when we just stopped the other team on 3rd and 14? :kitten:

The Pencil Neck
03-19-2014, 10:51 AM
I'm just worried about who on our D is going to step up and get a personal foul when we just stopped the other team on 3rd and 14? :kitten:

We've got Swearinger for that, now.

:vincepalm:

Wolf
03-31-2015, 06:40 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/31/report-texans-interested-in-antonio-smith-return/

Finally had a chance to get a link


Raiders released him and of course the rumors are flying from mclame that the Texans have interest

mussop
03-31-2015, 06:52 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/31/report-texans-interested-in-antonio-smith-return/

Finally had a chance to get a link


Raiders released him and of course the rumors are flying from mclame that the Texans have interest

We would be stupid not to have interest.

CloakNNNdagger
03-31-2015, 06:52 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/31/report-texans-interested-in-antonio-smith-return/

Finally had a chance to get a link


Raiders released him and of course the rumors are flying from mclame that the Texans have interest

Smith last year was described as a disaster against the run. Last season he was in for 757 snaps, had only a measly 20 tackles to go along with his 3 sacks and 1 forced fumble. If his signing is even a small consideration, I certainly wouldn't be getting into any bidding war with Kubiak. And I would hope that this would not be considered the last important piece they were looking for to complete FA.

badboy
03-31-2015, 06:53 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/31/report-texans-interested-in-antonio-smith-return/

Finally had a chance to get a link


Raiders released him and of course the rumors are flying from mclame that the Texans have interestyeah I think it is posted on two other threads but if healthy I want him back right price

PHILLYTEXANFAN
03-31-2015, 06:57 PM
Why was he released, from the Raiders at that?

infantrycak
03-31-2015, 07:04 PM
Smith last year was described as a disaster against the run. Last season he was in for 757 snaps, had only a measly 20 tackles to go along with his 3 sacks and 1 forced fumble. If his signing is even a small consideration, I certainly wouldn't be getting into any bidding war with Kubiak. And I would hope that this would not be considered the last important piece they were looking for to complete FA.

They were playing him at DT last year expecting him to be a plug the middle guy. That's not his game.

Marshall
03-31-2015, 07:24 PM
Why was he released, from the Raiders at that?
$4M against the Cap.

He's backup journeyman material now and $4M is too much.

Vance87
03-31-2015, 07:26 PM
Hmm...go to Denver and ride Peyton's last train with Koobastank and Co., or head back south to H-town with Obie and Swattage?

infantrycak
03-31-2015, 07:41 PM
$4M against the Cap.

He's backup journeyman material now and $4M is too much.

They misused him. His entire time in the NFL has been at DE and they stuck him inside at DT. Here or in Denver he'd be back at DE.

JB
03-31-2015, 07:45 PM
They misused him. His entire time in the NFL has been at DE and they stuck him inside at DT. Here or in Denver he'd be back at DE.

yeah didn't he leave Az cuz he didn't want to play DT?

infantrycak
03-31-2015, 07:59 PM
yeah didn't he leave Az cuz he didn't want to play DT?

No, actually they swapped to a 3-4 and he didn't initially like that as well and came to us in a 4-3. But DE the whole time. Then we swapped and he came out later and said he liked it/it suited him, something like that. He thought his sacks were going to go down but they went up.

mussop
03-31-2015, 08:13 PM
$4M against the Cap.

He's backup journeyman material now and $4M is too much.


How many Raiders games did you watch last year?

False Start
03-31-2015, 08:23 PM
Bring the Ninja Assassin. :yes: :jam:

Marshall
03-31-2015, 08:47 PM
How many Raiders games did you watch last year?

As few as I could get away with.

DX-TEX
04-01-2015, 01:04 AM
Bring the Ninja Assassin. :yes: :jam:

http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/scorpdec.gif

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2015, 08:20 AM
Just an FYI.

In May of 2014, Antonio sustained what was called an "undisclosed" injury in the weight room. He subsequently underwent a "minor" surgery with the Raiders disclosing no details. Doing some real deep digging, I discovered that the injury/surgery was sports hernia related. During TC, he re-injured his groin. During the beginning of the 2014 season, he was also dealing with a back issue (possibly compensatory).

IDEXAN
04-01-2015, 08:37 AM
If they want to bring him back for the vet-min and it would have to be conditioned on him making the team. We've already got a young promising player in the Dline with Jared Crick who plays Smiths old position. If Smith is willing to be relegated to a role of backing up Crick I'm OK with that, as long as he comes cheap, real cheap. Billy is busy building his own roster with an eye to the future.

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 08:44 AM
If they want to bring him back for the vet-min and it would have to be conditioned on him making the team. We've already got a young promising player in the Dline with Jared Crick who plays Smiths old position. If Smith is willing to be relegated to a role of backing up Crick I'm OK with that, as long as he comes cheap, real cheap. Billy is busy building his own roster with an eye to the future.

LOL, well if they bring him back then Billy is telling you to return your tarot cards.

Smith would then be part of OB's "own roster" like Graham, Newton, KJ, etc. are now.

Brisco_County
04-01-2015, 09:07 AM
At 33 years old, he's good depth for a couple of years. He can also be a situational pass rusher.

thunderkyss
04-01-2015, 09:08 AM
Antonio will be 34 in October. I thought he played well for us the last 2 or 3 years he was with us, but I wouldn't expect a high level of play from him at this point. I've got little interest in him returning.

steelbtexan
04-01-2015, 09:36 AM
Party on Antonio just not in Houston.

The culture is changing on Kirby and Antonio doesn't fit the new culture. Of course Smith is one of Rick Smith's favorites so there is that. I don't get why fans would want back an avg 34 yr old DE that just got cut by the worst team in the NFL.

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 09:55 AM
The culture is changing on Kirby and Antonio doesn't fit the new culture.

How does Smith not fit the new culture?

IDEXAN
04-01-2015, 10:00 AM
How does Smith not fit the new culture?
Billy ain't into segways. Real team guys, real football players don't ride segways. That's not Billy's way. I just wonder if Smith can play Billy-ball ?

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 10:07 AM
Billy ain't into segways. Real team guys, real football players don't ride segways. That's not Billy's way. I just wonder if Smith can play Billy-ball ?

That was Foster to the OL - you know, the all Kubiak OL last year, 1 non-Kubiak this year.

Playoffs
04-01-2015, 10:36 AM
PFF@PFF
Antonio Smith had the 3rd-highest pass rush grade of any DT last season, but the lowest run defense grade. #Raiders

Smiff was a 4-3 DT last year.

Don't be surprised if there's interest for him in Denver.

steelbtexan
04-01-2015, 11:06 AM
That was Foster to the OL - you know, the all Kubiak OL last year, 1 non-Kubiak this year.

Not following the meaning of this post.

Antonio was the leader of the MW/Foster etc... party brigade. BOB is looking for people that are dedicated to their craft and smart football players. Not sure if Antonio fits BOB's mold. I'm sure he fits Rick's mold. Old/overrated/over paid etc....

Is a 34 yr old Antonio better than Crick? If not the 4 mil would be better spent elsewhere. IMHO I don't get fans trying to hang on to the past. Especially a medicore at best past.

ObsiWan
04-01-2015, 11:10 AM
That was Foster to the OL - you know, the all Kubiak OL last year, 1 non-Kubiak this year.

Not following the meaning of this post.

Arian Foster rewarded each of the Houston Texans' offensive linemen with a unique gift for paving the way to his third consecutive 1,000-yard season.

The star running back presented each with a Segway personal transporter on Wednesday.

The linemen screamed with delight when they discovered their new toys, and learned how to ride them with help from Foster, who has had one for a while.

"I can't do anything without them," Foster said of Houston's linemen. "It was just my way of giving back to the big fellas."
LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8765459/arian-foster-houston-texans-rewards-linemen-segways)

And to your other point, O'Brien is big - real big - on "team guys" and I don't see where showing appreciation to the O-linemen that helped Foster get to 1,000 yds is doing anything other than being a "team guy".

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 11:25 AM
Not following the meaning of this post.

Was correcting IDEXAN connecting Antonio to the Segways.

Antonio was the leader of the MW/Foster etc... party brigade.

First I've heard of any such party brigade. Where's that come from?

If not the 4 mil would be better spent elsewhere.

Not going to cost 4 mil.

IMHO I don't get fans trying to hang on to the past. Especially a medicore at best past.

And I don't get fans who knee jerk that every single piece of a failed season must suck. Antonio was far above mediocre. That's just revisionist BS. No "hanging onto the past," just think he would be a great member of the DE rotation.

And on a general note, damn some of y'all are suckers for this "new culture" BS. 3/4's of this crap is just for shock and show rather than any actual cultural change. It's a symbolic reboot. Doesn't matter what's going on in the building, they're going to walk in trash the posters, do the opposite on stuff just to do it, swap out the exercise equipment, etc. just to put "change" into the air.

Marshall
04-01-2015, 11:32 AM
Was correcting IDEXAN connecting Antonio to the Segways.



First I've heard of any such party brigade. Where's that come from?



Not going to cost 4 mil.



And I don't get fans who knee jerk that every single piece of a failed season must suck. Antonio was far above mediocre. That's just revisionist BS. No "hanging onto the past," just think he would be a great member of the DE rotation.

And on a general note, damn some of y'all are suckers for this "new culture" BS. 3/4's of this crap is just for shock and show rather than any actual cultural change. It's a symbolic reboot. Doesn't matter what's going on in the building, they're going to walk in trash the posters, do the opposite on stuff just to do it, swap out the exercise equipment, etc. just to put "change" into the air.

My guess is $1-2M non-guaranteed would do it IF he passes his physical.

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 11:34 AM
My guess is $1-2M non-guaranteed would do it IF he passes his physical.

I think he gets something close to $2.5 per. And the 1st year will be effectively guaranteed.

banned1976
04-01-2015, 11:41 AM
Just an FYI.

In May of 2014, Antonio sustained what was called an "undisclosed" injury in the weight room. He subsequently underwent a "minor" surgery with the Raiders disclosing no details. Doing some real deep digging, I discovered that the injury/surgery was sports hernia related. During TC, he re-injured his groin. During the beginning of the 2014 season, he was also dealing with a back issue (possibly compensatory).

So on page 6 you stated Smith was a disaster against the run last year and once that was explained away you went digging for something else and found an undisclosed injury. I'm guessing you're not interested in Smith's return to Houston, is that safe to say?

mussop
04-01-2015, 11:49 AM
Was correcting IDEXAN connecting Antonio to the Segways.



First I've heard of any such party brigade. Where's that come from?



Not going to cost 4 mil.



And I don't get fans who knee jerk that every single piece of a failed season must suck. Antonio was far above mediocre. That's just revisionist BS. No "hanging onto the past," just think he would be a great member of the DE rotation.

And on a general note, damn some of y'all are suckers for this "new culture" BS. 3/4's of this crap is just for shock and show rather than any actual cultural change. It's a symbolic reboot. Doesn't matter what's going on in the building, they're going to walk in trash the posters, do the opposite on stuff just to do it, swap out the exercise equipment, etc. just to put "change" into the air.

agree with the bolded completely. This team needs depth and he would be great depth. A hell of a lot better than anyone that came off the bench last year.

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2015, 12:05 PM
So on page 6 you stated Smith was a disaster against the run last year and once that was explained away you went digging for something else and found an undisclosed injury. I'm guessing you're not interested in Smith's return to Houston, is that safe to say?


Sorry, but I didn't go "digging" in response to my first post being "explained away." As most that have been on this board long enough know, whenever the Texans have a potential candidate player, I will routinely try to research and report any pertinent injury history for those interested. Each member is then certainly free to incorporate or ignore this information when forming their own opinion.

Playoffs
04-01-2015, 12:28 PM
...I don't see where showing appreciation to the O-linemen that helped Foster get to 1,000 yds is doing anything other than being a "team guy".
What I heard was OB stepped out of a room into a hallway when one of those Segways zipped by him... he made a WTF, inmates running the asylum type comment and that was the beginning of the end of indoor Segway races and Segways altogether. He didn't like the idea of 300+lb OL + Segway hitting someone, or potential injuries(ankle twists, etc.) on the scooters.

So... you went digging for something else and found an undisclosed injury. I'm guessing you're not interested in Smith's return to Houston, is that safe to say?
Dr CND seeks out and publishes injuries and their implications. It's what he does here on TexansTalk, and he does it in pretty unbiased/even-handed manner. (Excluding his favorite Johnny Football:truck:)

ObsiWan
04-01-2015, 12:39 PM
What I heard was OB stepped out of a room into a hallway when one of those Segways zipped by him... he made a WTF, inmates running the asylum type comment and that was the beginning of the end of indoor Segway races and Segways altogether. He didn't like the idea of 300+lb OL + Segway hitting someone, or potential injuries(ankle twists, etc.) on the scooters.

I hadn't heard that story, but I do know he banned them. I guess that's why.

what a killjoy.

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2015, 12:52 PM
Dr CND seeks out and publishes injuries and their implications. It's what he does here on TexansTalk, and he does it in pretty unbiased/even-handed manner. (Excluding his favorite Johnny Football:truck:)

I believe that you and Cak certainly brought out a valid point that DT in the 4-3 D instead of DE did no favors to Smith's overall performance (especially specifically his run defense numbers). However, my question is in a 3-4 like Crennel runs, the DE is usually still expected to be a fairly large and strong player that can hold the point or displace the Dlineman in his way, even in passing downs. I can see him more productive as a DE in a 4-3, not as much in a 3-4. We definitely use the 4-3 formations in a significant percentage of our plays. To give him max effectiveness on passing plays, this may need to be the choice if he is to have an advantage. But it may not be the best overall choice to get to the QB in those situations. As I see it, if Smith becomes a Texan, adjusted play choice will have to be selective and his presence on the field even moreso.

banned1976
04-01-2015, 12:55 PM
Sorry, but I didn't go "digging" in response to my first post being "explained away." As most that have been on this board long enough know, whenever the Texans have a potential candidate player, I will routinely try to research and report any pertinent injury history for those interested. Each member is then certainly free to incorporate or ignore this information when forming their own opinion.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant you wrote "Doing some real deep digging, I discovered that the injury/surgery was sports hernia related."

So you would or would not endorse the Texans bringing Smith back? Is he an injury concern, in your professional opinion?

banned1976
04-01-2015, 01:00 PM
What I heard was OB stepped out of a room into a hallway when one of those Segways zipped by him... he made a WTF, inmates running the asylum type comment and that was the beginning of the end of indoor Segway races and Segways altogether. He didn't like the idea of 300+lb OL + Segway hitting someone, or potential injuries(ankle twists, etc.) on the scooters.


Dr CND seeks out and publishes injuries and their implications. It's what he does here on TexansTalk, and he does it in pretty unbiased/even-handed manner. (Excluding his favorite Johnny Football:truck:)

Well, it appeared to me, based on his bringing up Smith's work against the run last year and bringing to the attention of the board Smith's minor injuries he had an opinion and it was he was not enthused about the potential of Smith coming back to Houston. From now on I'll not jump to that conclusion.

Playoffs
04-01-2015, 01:02 PM
We definitely use the 4-3 formations in a significant percentage of our plays...
We ran more 4 man fronts that straight 3-4 last year. Ninja has always been a good pass rusher and not-so-good run defender. I like Antonio over Jamison/Powe if health isn't an issue.

I hadn't heard that story, but I do know he banned them. I guess that's why. what a killjoy.

I do recall someone on the facilities side talking potential liability issues when they were discussed, too. But O'Brien said if I can manage that walk to the practice fields, the pro football players can make it... with that side-eye look he gives you.

badboy
04-01-2015, 01:42 PM
My guess is $1-2M non-guaranteed would do it IF he passes his physical.
Matt Schaub just got $2m for one year deal, with half guaranteed. Smith can get more.

cland
04-01-2015, 03:57 PM
I actually think Antonio fits Wade Phillips version of a 3-4, rather than Crennels. As mentioned above, Crennel calls for 2-gap DE's in his system. I think Crick/Pagan are similar two-gap DEs adding a third in the draft covers the backup depth. Maybe he fits into the nickle packages however.

And something tells me the ninja assassin moves & O'Brien don't mix well.

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 04:01 PM
I actually think Antonio fits Wade Phillips version of a 3-4, rather than Crennels. As mentioned above, Crennel calls for 2-gap DE's in his system.

I don't think that theory survived reality last season.

And something tells me the ninja assassin moves & O'Brien don't mix well.

Because OB did what to crack down on JJ, Foster, etc. doing similar things last season?

steelbtexan
04-01-2015, 04:10 PM
Was correcting IDEXAN connecting Antonio to the Segways.



First I've heard of any such party brigade. Where's that come from?



Not going to cost 4 mil.



And I don't get fans who knee jerk that every single piece of a failed season must suck. Antonio was far above mediocre. That's just revisionist BS. No "hanging onto the past," just think he would be a great member of the DE rotation.

And on a general note, damn some of y'all are suckers for this "new culture" BS. 3/4's of this crap is just for shock and show rather than any actual cultural change. It's a symbolic reboot. Doesn't matter what's going on in the building, they're going to walk in trash the posters, do the opposite on stuff just to do it, swap out the exercise equipment, etc. just to put "change" into the air.

Friends of mine saw AS/MW/AF partying down on Richmond after a loss to Arizona a few yrs ago. Not to mention the parties at MW's house and the party at AS house where a guy got so wasted he drowned in the pool. (Maybe they were conducting a Sunday night bible study, but I doubt it. LOL) But you already know this.

I've always thought AS was overrated and really don't want him on the team regardless of price.

BTW, I suspect that Foster will get injured again this season and bet cut after the season. Do you find it odd that Foster would buy the OL a gift that BOB just banned? I think that's Foster's way of giving BOB the middle finger.

CloakNNNdagger
04-01-2015, 05:17 PM
Matt Schaub just got $2m for one year deal, with half guaranteed. Smith can get more.

According to the Baltimore Sun :

The deal is worth up to $3 million with a $1 million base salary, a $1 million signing bonus and another $1 million in playtime incentives, according to league sources.

Smith should be offered on the low side with some decent performance incentives to match up to what we would be expecting from him.

Double Barrel
04-01-2015, 05:32 PM
Do you find it odd that Foster would buy the OL a gift that BOB just banned? I think that's Foster's way of giving BOB the middle finger.

Foster bought them Segways in December 2012.

O'Brien was not hired until January 2, 2014.

Ryan
04-01-2015, 05:40 PM
*edit*

JB
04-01-2015, 05:41 PM
Friends of mine saw AS/MW/AF partying down on Richmond after a loss to Arizona a few yrs ago. Not to mention the parties at MW's house and the party at AS house where a guy got so wasted he drowned in the pool. (Maybe they were conducting a Sunday night bible study, but I doubt it. LOL) But you already know this.

I've always thought AS was overrated and really don't want him on the team regardless of price.

BTW, I suspect that Foster will get injured again this season and bet cut after the season. Do you find it odd that Foster would buy the OL a gift that BOB just banned? I think that's Foster's way of giving BOB the middle finger.

cuz 20 somethings don't party?

I think he's good depth if you understand what he brings to the table

Bro you are really really reaching here... I did expect better from you than that

Porky
04-01-2015, 05:48 PM
Smith was well above average for most of his tenure here, particularly on pass rush downs.

I would definitely be interested - I would play him situationally at this point in his career according to down/distance/package.

Crick is the heir apparent on early downs, but Smith can still be a major factor and would add to what is shaping up as a great line.

Color me all for it. :handshake:

Double Barrel
04-01-2015, 05:52 PM
Smith was J.J. Watt's quote guru. Unfortunately, on his own, J.J. is kinda' bland in that regard. It was Smith who fed J.J. some of his best lines like "I've eaten burritos bigger than you" to Ray Rice. Bring him back to mentor J.J., because dude is going to be mic'ed up a lot this season and he needs some fresh takes. Smith helped J.J. develop some swagger. :winky:

infantrycak
04-01-2015, 05:53 PM
Friends of mine saw AS/MW/AF partying down on Richmond after a loss to Arizona a few yrs ago.

So your friend saw Antonio and Mario partying on Richmond with a backup RB who had never carried the ball for the Texans, after the 2009 away game ... and that makes them all notorious non-OB guys? Gotcha.

Not to mention the parties at MW's house

Yeah, let's not mention those non-infamous parties.

BTW, I suspect that Foster will get injured again this season and bet cut after the season. Do you find it odd that Foster would buy the OL a gift that BOB just banned? I think that's Foster's way of giving BOB the middle finger.

Oops.

steelbtexan
04-01-2015, 06:01 PM
I don't want Smith on the team. Bad influence

Y'all can disagree with me if y'all want. But

1. be civil
2. The defense was better last yr without AS.

JB
04-01-2015, 06:12 PM
I don't want Smith on the team. Bad influence

Y'all can disagree with me if y'all want. But

1. be civil
2. The defense was better last yr without AS.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bobp5OHVsWY/hqdefault.jpg

bayoudreamn
04-01-2015, 08:38 PM
I don't want Smith on the team. Bad influence

Y'all can disagree with me if y'all want. But

1. be civil
2. The defense was better last yr without AS.

Steel b, I'm not sure if I want Ninja back or not.....but the defense was weak in the middle last year. When Antonio was here, he was second best to JJ on that line, IIRC (which is always iffy :)) I'm all for Crick winning the job, but can't see how a little competition hurts....especially if it's cheap :)

steelbtexan
04-01-2015, 08:48 PM
Steel b, I'm not sure if I want Ninja back or not.....but the defense was weak in the middle last year. When Antonio was here, he was second best to JJ on that line, IIRC (which is always iffy :)) I'm all for Crick winning the job, but can't see how a little competition hurts....especially if it's cheap :)

Antonio isn't going to help that weakness in the middle.

Vinnie
04-01-2015, 09:01 PM
Antonio isn't going to help that weakness in the middle.

Right, isn't that what we got my cousin Vince for? Look, I'm a fan of Crick, but Antonio is better. I'm sure Crick would be cheaper, but Antonio is better. I'm on board with bringing him back.

badboy
04-01-2015, 09:46 PM
Smith may or may not be better than Crick but the best will start and the other backs up. Pagan gets filler minutes either side. If the price is right, this is another significant piece. I am hoping Myers returns for a similar low deal for a season or two. If Myers can beat out Jones or not it would be a similarly significant move.

JB
04-01-2015, 09:50 PM
Smith may or may not be better than Crick but the best will start and the other backs up. Pagan gets filler minutes either side. If the price is right, this is another significant piece. I am hoping Myers returns for a similar low deal for a season or two. If Myers can beat out Jones or not it would be a similarly significant move.

The higher quality of depth the better the team. Smith would improve the depth, so would Myers. I'm also holding out hope he returns.

Mainly I don't wanna see Jones at center

ObsiWan
04-01-2015, 09:54 PM
I don't want Smith on the team. Bad influence

Y'all can disagree with me if y'all want. But

1. be civil
2. The defense was better last yr without AS.

Strange position coming from someone who is always lamenting that McNair won't take a shot on "bad boys" who can help the team.

During Smith's last two years here (2011 and 2012) the Texans' defense was ranked 4th and 9th (pts against). The first year he was off the team we went 2-14 (I know that's your favorite stat :)) and the defense was ranked 24th.

Lastly, given his control over the roster, I doubt this move will be made without O'Brien's blessing.

badboy
04-01-2015, 10:04 PM
Strange position coming from someone who is always lamenting that McNair won't take a shot on "bad boys" who can help the team.

During Smith's last two years here (2011 and 2012) the Texans' defense was ranked 4th and 9th (pts against). The first year he was off the team we went 2-14 (I know that's your favorite stat :)) and the defense was ranked 24th.

Lastly, given his control over the roster, I doubt this move will be made without O'Brien's blessing.I agree that the "Texans interested in bringing back Smith" comments would not be coming out if Coach disapproved of Antonio.

Playoffs
04-01-2015, 10:14 PM
...I doubt this move will be made without O'Brien's blessing.

RAC wanted to keep Ninja last year but he went for the $$$.

TheRealJoker
04-01-2015, 10:44 PM
I look at this like the signing of Danieal Manning last offseason at final cuts.

I don't expect him to be the player he was when he signed his first contract with the team but I do think he would be an asset to the team.

badboy
04-01-2015, 11:09 PM
I look at this like the signing of Danieal Manning last offseason at final cuts.

I don't expect him to be the player he was when he signed his first contract with the team but I do think he would be an asset to the team.uh wished you had not gone there. Never should have re-signed Manning.

JB
04-01-2015, 11:18 PM
uh wished you had not gone there. Never should have re-signed Manning.

what does that say about Swearinger?

frethack
04-01-2015, 11:20 PM
I look at this like the signing of Danieal Manning last offseason at final cuts.

I don't expect him to be the player he was when he signed his first contract with the team but I do think he would be an asset to the team.

I agree that he will be good depth. He should even challenge Crick which will only make Crick and the Ninja better. How many better DE have we had in the past five or six years? Watt, Mario...?

People consider the JJo and DManning free agent signings our best, but honestly, I think the Ninja is our second best signing next to JJo. Of course this is not considering Wilfork and Moore because they havent played for us yet.

badboy
04-01-2015, 11:36 PM
what does that say about Swearinger?? don't understand your question, it does not say anything about Swear who is an above avg player who needs to focus more. I'd like to upgrade him but don't see that happening this season.

badboy
04-01-2015, 11:40 PM
I agree that he will be good depth. He should even challenge Crick which will only make Crick and the Ninja better. How many better DE have we had in the past five or six years? Watt, Mario...?

People consider the JJo and DManning free agent signings our best, but honestly, I think the Ninja is our second best signing next to JJo. Of course this is not considering Wilfork and Moore because they havent played for us yet.
I like Ninja but going out on limb to predict Moore going to be better. I'm trying to remember all FAs and too sleepy but up to now you sure could be correct.

frethack
04-01-2015, 11:45 PM
I like Ninja but going out on limb to predict Moore going to be better. I'm trying to remember all FAs and too sleepy but up to now you sure could be correct.

No worries, Im going out on no limbs whatsoever. Im not predicting Moore will be better at all. Just saying that VW and Moore havent played for us yet, so there is no way to tell where they will rank among our mostly inglorious free agent signings.

JB
04-02-2015, 12:11 AM
? don't understand your question, it does not say anything about Swear who is an above avg player who needs to focus more. I'd like to upgrade him but don't see that happening this season.

They sat him more than a few times in favor of Manning. Swag just couldn't get it done. If you think Manning sucked then Swag was really bad when they needed him to stand up

badboy
04-02-2015, 12:23 AM
They sat him more than a few times in favor of Manning. Swag just couldn't get it done. If you think Manning sucked then Swag was really bad when they needed him to stand upI think that was to try to get inside Swear's head and calm him down. I'm hoping Manning is not re-signed.

steelbtexan
04-02-2015, 12:26 AM
Strange position coming from someone who is always lamenting that McNair won't take a shot on "bad boys" who can help the team.

During Smith's last two years here (2011 and 2012) the Texans' defense was ranked 4th and 9th (pts against). The first year he was off the team we went 2-14 (I know that's your favorite stat :)) and the defense was ranked 24th.

Lastly, given his control over the roster, I doubt this move will be made without O'Brien's blessing.

Taking chances on talented but troubled young guys like New England/Seattle/San Fran/Ariz etc... not 34 yr olds that have just been cut from the Raiders. Smith just isn't that good anymore and it's time to look elsewhere.

I hope that you're right and if Smith is brought in BOB/RAC sign off on the move and Rick doesn't make this move unilaterally.

infantrycak
04-02-2015, 12:37 AM
They sat him more than a few times in favor of Manning. Swag just couldn't get it done. If you think Manning sucked then Swag was really bad when they needed him to stand up

Manning got 5 starts last year. 3 were in place of Swag . 2 were when they started 3 safeties.

if Smith is brought in BOB/RAC sign off on the move and Rick doesn't make this move unilaterally.

Love how any move you don't like becomes a Smith move.

According to Playoffs RAC didn't want to lose him last year.

steelbtexan
04-02-2015, 12:46 AM
Manning got 5 starts last year. 3 were in place of Swag . 2 were when they started 3 safeties.



Love how any move you don't like becomes a Smith move.

According to Playoffs RAC didn't want to lose him last year.

I didn't say it was a Smith move. Quit putting words in my mouth. I know that I'm in the minority on this, so once again we will have to agree to disagree.

JB
04-02-2015, 12:59 AM
Manning got 5 starts last year. 3 were in place of Swag . 2 were when they started 3 safeties.


And they sat him on the bench a number of times after he'd screwed the pooch. He couldn't be trusted, at least Manning would get his assignments

ObsiWan
04-02-2015, 01:15 AM
Taking chances on talented but troubled young guys like New England/Seattle/San Fran/Ariz etc... not 34 yr olds that have just been cut from the Raiders. Smith just isn't that good anymore and it's time to look elsewhere.

I hope that you're right and if Smith is brought in BOB/RAC sign off on the move and Rick doesn't make this move unilaterally.

Sounds to me like they'd be putting a guy back in place they didn't want to part with in the first place.

I don't think Smith has ever made a move without the HC's approval. Not one. I'm convinced that's how things work over on Kirby; by consensus.

JB
04-02-2015, 01:37 AM
Sounds to me like they'd be putting a guy back in place they didn't want to part with in the first place.

I don't think Smith has ever made a move without the HC's approval. Not one. I'm convinced that's how things work over on Kirby; by consensus.

Totally agree, and only if they all (by consensus) agree the he would beat out the 53'rd man currently on the roster would they sign him. I believe Antonio would greatly increase the effectiveness of our DL rotation so I want him here... plus the ninja is cool as hell

Smith brings a passion and the more of that the better

Marshall
04-02-2015, 10:51 AM
I hadn't heard that story, but I do know he banned them. I guess that's why.

what a killjoy.

Boys and their Toys.

But somebody has to be an adult and keep the boys safe.

Marshall
04-02-2015, 10:57 AM
Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant you wrote "Doing some real deep digging, I discovered that the injury/surgery was sports hernia related."

So you would or would not endorse the Texans bringing Smith back? Is he an injury concern, in your professional opinion?

He often has to dig deep to get past the injury spin from the front office to get to the reality of the injury. HOW he does that amazes me.

But if I was in charge of the Texans, he'd be on retainer.

ps I assume Doc's male for linguistic purposes, but I really don't know.

Marshall
04-02-2015, 11:04 AM
Steel b, I'm not sure if I want Ninja back or not.....but the defense was weak in the middle last year. When Antonio was here, he was second best to JJ on that line, IIRC (which is always iffy :)) I'm all for Crick winning the job, but can't see how a little competition hurts....especially if it's cheap :)

Vic Beasley drops to 16. Problem solved as he shifts between DE and OLB.

OK! OK! In my dreams...

mussop
04-02-2015, 11:16 AM
Vic Beasley drops to 16. Problem solved as he shifts between DE and OLB.

OK! OK! In my dreams...

Beasly is nothing but a pass rusher. That's it! That's literally all he can do.

sandman
04-02-2015, 11:22 AM
Smith was J.J. Watt's quote guru. Unfortunately, on his own, J.J. is kinda' bland in that regard. It was Smith who fed J.J. some of his best lines like "I've eaten burritos bigger than you" to Ray Rice. Bring him back to mentor J.J., because dude is going to be mic'ed up a lot this season and he needs some fresh takes. Smith helped J.J. develop some swagger. :winky:

I thought Connor Barwin gave him that line about Rice?

banned1976
04-02-2015, 11:36 AM
He often has to dig deep to get past the injury spin from the front office to get to the reality of the injury. HOW he does that amazes me.

But if I was in charge of the Texans, he'd be on retainer.

ps I assume Doc's male for linguistic purposes, but I really don't know.

Google's an "amazing" tool.

CloakNNNdagger
04-02-2015, 01:24 PM
Google's an "amazing" tool.

I assure you my scalpel cuts much deeper than Google. I suspect some would hope that it would have become dulled well before the hidden blood and guts were exposed.

QuiGonGinNTonic
04-02-2015, 01:39 PM
Broncos got him

banned1976
04-02-2015, 01:48 PM
I assure you my scalpel cuts much deeper than Google. I suspect some would hope that it would have become dulled well before the hidden blood and guts were exposed.

I understand and respect you're a medical professional; I have been reading your medical opinions on this board for years. :tiphat:

That said, the information you posted in this thread regarding Antonio Smith's recent medical history I found on google in a "deep digging" search that took 0.77 seconds. That's all I was responding back to Marshall.

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/mobile/web/playerupdate?playerId=5660&wjb=

Playoffs
04-02-2015, 02:05 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Antonio Smith has agreed to a 1-year $2 million contract with the Broncos, per @RosenhausSports.

JB
04-02-2015, 02:07 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Sure to be a better spot for him

cland
04-02-2015, 02:17 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Quote:
Antonio Smith has agreed to a 1-year $2 million contract with the Broncos, per @RosenhausSports.

I actually think Antonio fits Wade Phillips version of a 3-4, rather than Crennels. As mentioned above, Crennel calls for 2-gap DE's in his system. I think Crick/Pagan are similar two-gap DEs adding a third in the draft covers the backup depth. Maybe he fits into the nickle packages however.

And something tells me the ninja assassin moves & O'Brien don't mix well.

:tiphat:

False Start
04-02-2015, 03:25 PM
Well, that sucks.

Oh, and OMG move this to the NFL section NOW!! :pissed: ;)

Double Barrel
04-02-2015, 04:03 PM
I thought Connor Barwin gave him that line about Rice?

yeah, you're right! :thumbup

J.J. Watt uses a script writer for his burrito line: NFL Sound secrets revealed (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/10-25-12-jj-watt-uses-a-script-writer-for-his-burrito-line-nfl-sound-secrets-revealed/)

J.J. Watt has been getting a lot of credit this week for the "I've eaten burritos bigger than you" zinger he directed at Baltimore Ravens tailback Ray Rice during last Sunday's game. And rightly so.

It's a hilarious line with a truthful punch — Watt stands 6-foot-6 and nearly 300 pounds; Rice comes in at 5-foot-8, 212 and he was buried by the Texans' defense (again).

But it turns out that Watt received some help on the burrito crack. Linebacker Connor Barwin — one of the Texans' resident characters — deserves a big assist for making Watt a sound-bite legend.

Playoffs
04-02-2015, 04:12 PM
Wade Phillips ‏@sonofbum
Always great to have at least 1 Ninja assassin on your team!

badboy
04-02-2015, 04:57 PM
yeah I think it is posted on two other threads but if healthy I want him back right price
Well I never like him or wanted him to return anyway....sigh