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_King_
02-17-2014, 07:19 PM
Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.

Marshall
02-17-2014, 07:20 PM
Just heard Antonio say on the radio that he talked to BOB and they both got a really good vibe about Each other. Antonio said he clicked with him pretty fast. Both expressed interest about Antonio coming back. Antonio said his agent has been talking with the Texans and saying positive things about a deal getting done.

How do you guys feel about that?

If a deal gets done does that change your thoughts on the defense Romeo will employ?

I realize that this could all be fluff talk, but Antonio sounded sincere to me and it wasn't one of those generic "well we'll see what happens" kind of answers. He really wants to be back IMO.

It either will or won't happen before the draft. At least it won't be drawn out.

infantrycak
02-17-2014, 07:41 PM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 07:53 PM
I likes me some Smiff... hope he's a fit and the price is right.

steelbtexan
02-17-2014, 07:56 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO

Bulls on Parade
02-17-2014, 08:04 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO
Agreed. I think it's time to move on. A lot of young and exciting players in this draft that we can land. We need an infusion of young talent on the defensive side of the ball. Our pass rush and the entire front seven can greatly improve. J.J. Watt and a healthy Brian Cushing can't do it by themselves.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:15 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

He's been here for along time. He's very overrated. IMHO

I think Antonio is a rock!

He's been one the most consistent players we have had in his time here.

steelbtexan
02-17-2014, 08:25 PM
I think Antonio is a rock!

He's been one the most consistent players we have had in his time here.

Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

PapaL
02-17-2014, 08:29 PM
I'd like to see a younger cheaper guy but if the price is right a front line of JJ, Ninja, and Clowney would be deadly.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:32 PM
Consistently avg?

Consistently overpaid?

Consistently providing the wrong kind of leadership?

Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.

Brisco_County
02-17-2014, 08:54 PM
The team has a need for him. Re-signing to a smaller contract is a win/win.

PapaL
02-17-2014, 08:56 PM
Everybody has bad plays.

I didn't see average play out the guy. He had some bad coaches to overcome, but he worked hard and played hard.

Could we upgrade him? Sure we could.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's been a good player for us.

Does the same theory apply to #8?

TexansSeminole
02-17-2014, 08:57 PM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

The team has a need for him. Re-signing to a smaller contract is a win/win.

Agreed.

We need him back, our depth at d-line is not good.

I'm also interested in what happens to Wade Smith, not to derail the thread.

DBCooper
02-17-2014, 08:58 PM
Does the same theory apply to #8?

You have a point.

I think Antonio would have to cut off his foot to compare the two.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-17-2014, 09:39 PM
Meh, I could care less if he is not resigned, if he's kept cheap , alright if not oh we'll. "happy trails good sir"


Your man... Pots and pans

_King_
02-17-2014, 10:08 PM
I'd love for Antonio to come back at the right price. Maybe something like Cak says.

I think Antonio is a good player to have on your football team. Brings some good attitude to that DLine. Plus he's a vet, and I expect us to be competing again very soon. Grab a real NT, and sign Antonio to a reasonable deal. The less holes come draft time the better.

Allstar
02-17-2014, 10:13 PM
Good to have him on board if he's cheap.

Goldensilence
02-17-2014, 10:29 PM
Good compliment across from JJ, high motor guy and might not be a sack artist but is consistently disruptive. Depth at the spot isn't great either but with cak here 2-3 deal could work we'll with both sides.

Norg
02-17-2014, 11:36 PM
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-18-2014, 12:03 AM
ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back



I would say see ya to





66 Andrew Gardner OT

88 Garrett Graham TE

41 Jonathan Grimes RB

68 Ryan Harris OT

33 Greg Jones FB

39 Deji Karim RB

43 Elbert Mack CB

53 Joe Mays ILB

51 Darryl Sharpton ILB

94 Antonio Smith DE

74 Wade Smith G

44 Ben Tate RB





Restricted FAs

18 Lestar Jean WR

97 Terrell McClain NT

92 Earl Mitchell NT





pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman



and then like see ya



7 Case Keenum

13 T. J. Yates



Running backs

28 Dennis Johnson



Wide receivers

17 Alec Lemon

82 Keshawn Martin

11 DeVier Posey

83 Rico Richardson

-- Mike Thomas



Tight ends



81 Owen Daniels





55 Chris Myers C

75 Derek Newton T







96 Tim Jamison DE

54 Mike Mohamed ILB

52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB

57 Justin Tuggle ILB









24 Johnathan Joseph CB

31 Shiloh Keo FS

38 Danieal Manning SS

21 Brice McCain CB



4 Randy Bullock K

9 Shane Lechler P

46 Jon Weeks LS


So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

Norg
02-18-2014, 12:07 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

Wolf6151
02-18-2014, 01:15 AM
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.

V3rm0nt3r
02-18-2014, 03:08 AM
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

You're missing a few games in that record, but i digress.

There's a critical difference in the two situations that you've compared here. While Indy was completely dependent on Manning to maintain winning records before he went down and his team subsequently tanked, Houston was coming off back to back playoff berths on the arms of T.J. Yates and Matt Schaub (AKA NOT Peyton) before this abomination of a season occurred.

This organizational discrepancy points to the fact that there must be a substantially greater amount of inherent talent on this roster than you seem to have given Rick Smith credit for (and reasonably so, I might add, considering this past season).

Grams
02-18-2014, 05:47 AM
I don't understand some of you guys sometimes.

You keep saying we need more depth on the D, but you want to get rid of a very good player like Antonio.

Yes I agree that price needs to be right and we do not need to overpay. But he is a valuable member of this team.

Marshall
02-18-2014, 06:15 AM
I'm glad you're not the GM.ehhh im with the purge most of the players from the 2-14 Nightmare so I say NO to bringing ninja back

I would say see ya to


66 Andrew Gardner OT
88 Garrett Graham TE
41 Jonathan Grimes RB
68 Ryan Harris OT
33 Greg Jones FB
39 Deji Karim RB
43 Elbert Mack CB
53 Joe Mays ILB
51 Darryl Sharpton ILB
94 Antonio Smith DE
74 Wade Smith G
44 Ben Tate RB


Restricted FAs
18 Lestar Jean WR
97 Terrell McClain NT
92 Earl Mitchell NT


pretty much all of yall Free agents this year except Braman

and then like see ya

7 Case Keenum
13 T. J. Yates

Running backs
28 Dennis Johnson

Wide receivers
17 Alec Lemon
82 Keshawn Martin
11 DeVier Posey
83 Rico Richardson
-- Mike Thomas

Tight ends

81 Owen Daniels


55 Chris Myers C
75 Derek Newton T



96 Tim Jamison DE
54 Mike Mohamed ILB
52 Jeff Tarpinian ILB
57 Justin Tuggle ILB




24 Johnathan Joseph CB
31 Shiloh Keo FS
38 Danieal Manning SS
21 Brice McCain CB

4 Randy Bullock K
9 Shane Lechler P
46 Jon Weeks LS

I'm glad you're not the GM. We'd be in worse shape than a new franchise.

ps You're OK with one of the players who should be on the bubble.

mussop
02-18-2014, 07:03 AM
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.

steelbtexan
02-18-2014, 08:40 AM
As little depth as we have now?? Hell yeh resign him if the price is right. Even with him we need we need at least 3 more quality DL added through the draft and FA.

While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 08:45 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take
On defense all we need is JJ Watt. Maybe Cushing for a few games until he reinjures. Watt beats 5-team blocks to sack QBs before they can complete their drop backs. :swatter:

On offense all we need is Johnny Football and Andre Johnson. Nobody can catch JFF scrambling and AJ beats box-4 coverages easily.

Winning!

http://welcometosandyland.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/charlie-sheen-winning-gif.gif

IDEXAN
02-18-2014, 09:05 AM
On the one hand I'm very much of an AS fan, but on the other the more likely his return becomes then the less likely our drafting Clowney becomes, not that I necessarily expect us to draft him with our 1.1.
But popular and successful players who become FAs are always talking about coming back to their team, wanting to come back, how happy they are in the city with the fans and living in that city, blah, blah, etc.

TexansSeminole
02-18-2014, 09:39 AM
While I agree, Smith has been a leader here for a long time and he has set a bad tone with his form of leadership. For Gods sake a guy DIED at one of his parties. How many people have died at one of your parties?

It's time to move on.

I was unaware of this situation.

Link (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6930734&src=desktop&wjb)

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.

steelbtexan
02-18-2014, 10:11 AM
I was unaware of this situation.

Link (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6930734&src=desktop&wjb)

Doesn't sound like any foul play was involved. Sounds like the guy passed out and fell in the pool, maybe couldn't swim. I don't think you should hold that against Smith.

I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

infantrycak
02-18-2014, 10:41 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.

Double Barrel
02-18-2014, 10:44 AM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

My thoughts, as well. Plus he's a leader, which is something the new coaching staff will need in their first year.

NCTexan
02-18-2014, 10:47 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool?

These people are adults. It's not Antonio's job to hold hands with every guest and make sure they know their limits.

deucetx
02-18-2014, 10:55 AM
I would like to see Antonio back. Given his age, position and performance I think he can be an above average performer for another 3 years. I think Antonio knows if he goes for the highest dollar contract he is likely to not complete it and end up bouncing trying to get to those 3 years so will be very interested in a contract for 3-4 years he believes he can play out - say something in the 3 years, $13.5 mil range and that would be in the Texans best interest as well. But who knows.

Pretty much my feelings. He's a good player. Not great but still effective. Hell, he's been our only 'other' consistent pass rusher. I do wish he would maintain his running lanes a bit better but that could come with the proper scheme/coaching. He plays hard all the time, is a leader and gives the team some attitude so would like him back with a reasonable cost of course. Plus, this isn't Madden. You can't just let every single piece go but a handful and expect progress. You have cap space and limited flexibility and we already have little to no depth. In today's NFL where injuries happen at an obnoxious rate you need depth so if you have someone solid you should probably hold onto them if possible.

TexanBacker93
02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.

HOU-TEX
02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
I'd take Tone back in a heart beat, but not for the $ he's been getting paid.

I'd go 3 years 10.5 maybe

ChampionTexan
02-18-2014, 11:40 AM
So about 70% of the team.. Interesting take


Your man... Pots and pans

yup gotta do what u gotta do a clean Purge the colts did it and there first year went like 11-2

I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play,

The Colts had 23 players who were on both the season ending 2011 roster and the opening day 2012 roster. That's 57% turnover. Obviously players on IR at the end of 2011 who were back at the beginning of 2012 could skew that percentage up a bit, but by almost anybody's definition, it was high turnover.

That said, Norg's list is ridiculous.

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/five-positions-indianapolis-colts-still-improve-fans-170500463--nfl.html)

badboy
02-18-2014, 11:41 AM
I really like Antonio Smith, very underrated player for the Texans. I think he fit well in Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 system but I have yet to hear exactly what type of defense Romeo Crennel will be running. If it's a traditional 2 gap read and react 3-4 system, then I'm not sure Antonio fits that and he sure didn't like the 4-3 system we ran when he got here. Not to mention that we can get someone younger and much cheaper in the draft. I'd like to have him back, he provides stability and leadership, but only if the price is very advantageous to the Texans and if he can fit in Crennel's system.
On same page, most know I have advocated letting him go as don't think he will return for reasonable $ but if he will AND O'brien thinks he fits system (sort of surprises me) then that would allow us to use a high pick other area. I have Notre Dame's Stephon Tuitt with our second pick. If Ninja is signed we could go RB with Hyde in second. Foster remains huge question for me.

Cap: A much lower deal brings a starter back, offers more cap and frees up a pick; that is hard to argue. Still trying to fit Smith into system especially since when he came here he did not want to be a "plug line" DT but wanted to go for QB IIRC.

Norg
02-18-2014, 11:43 AM
I don't believe the Colts turned over that much of their roster. They replaced poor QB play with very good QB play, added a few pieces and were right back where they were before Manning went down.


Getting better QB play, getting some help in the secondary, and adding quality depth at a few positions and there is no reason the Texans can't be back in the playoffs next year.

I'm a firm believer that the Richard Sherman pick 6 lost the year for us. One play changed the season. Schaub doesn't throw that and we win that game. His confidence isn't destroyed, the team doesn't crater. Every game after that one plays out differently. That means that Cushing doesn't take the shot to the knee against KC. We don't lose 14 straight to end the season.

We have holes. A few big ones and some depth issues. Every team has a few issues. Seattle has an advantage because they have a cheap starting QB on a cap friendly contract. Let's see how they do in 2 years when they have to give him a big contract.


actually they did if u look at there roster pre and post manning

look we can just look a star name value look were that got us

and u do realize a team only consist of 53 players so if we do purge its up to BOb and rick to find the best young talent the hidden undrafted gems to make up that 53

its not like purging is a bad thing esp coming off a 2-14 season

Kubes did it in 2005-06

so if not this year I bet next year BOB will do the same esp if his job is on the line like if we go like

6-10 this season

ObsiWan
02-18-2014, 12:07 PM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

The guy who died was a friend of Antonio's and a friend of the family. I'm sure A.S. was probably sick about it.

From this report (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texans-player-s-pool-party-ends-with-drowning-2155699.php) it seems to me everyone had either retired from poolside and gone inside the house or left the party. Apparently this one person stayed outside by himself. Or went back out by the pool on the way to his car, tripped and fell in. Who knows.

And yeah, I've been to - and hosted - parties where folks have passed out and we had to "put them to bed" to keep them from driving home. But you cannot keep an eye on everyone. And you cannot really know everyone's limit.

CloakNNNdagger
02-19-2014, 08:25 PM
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

Veteran defensive end Antonio Smith had been very open about his desire to return to the Texans next season. But Smith, 32, has been aware that a 2-14 team may not have interest in resigning a lineman on the wrong side of 30. Add a new coach to the mix, and it seemed unlikely the Ninja would be back.

But on Monday Smith struck a surprisingly optimistic tone.

“I had a good conversation with coach O’Brien. Me and him just got a good feel for each other,” Smith said on Nate and Creight. “From what my agent tells me, the team and coach O’Brien really like me.”

Smith went on to say that his agent has had a few preliminary conversations with the Texans.

“They’re looking forward to trying to find a way to work something out.” Smith said.

After seeing the Miami locker room suffer a complete leadership breakdown, having a strong presence like Antonio Smith in the locker room would be an asset for a first year coach like O’Brien.link (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/after-talking-to-obrien-antonio-smith-optimistic-about-returning/)

steelbtexan
02-19-2014, 09:40 PM
Gotta love the inconsistency. AS is part of a bad culture for an off the field incident but you want the team to ignore any off the field issues in draft prospects or taking years off.

I didn't say that I was consistent. I don't think Smith is a player you can win with. I don't care for him personally either. He's part of a long standing problem in Houston. I feel the same way that I did about Winston.

Dave Smith's $$$$ put that $$$$ with Schaub/OD's $$$$ and get Soliai.

Brisco_County
02-20-2014, 12:42 AM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

This really isn't indicative of his character or friends. My girlfriend in college had a friend who died the same way as Smith's friend, and from what I knew, he was a pretty responsible dude. I've also attended and thrown countless parties where otherwise respectable people pass out or do crazy stuff. Hard partying is an indiscriminating American tradition. :wesmantexanfan:

_King_
02-20-2014, 07:29 AM
Looks like there is serious interest on the part of both parties.

link (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/after-talking-to-obrien-antonio-smith-optimistic-about-returning/)

That's the interview I heard.

It sounded like it was a real possibility he'd be back. Seems like a lot of people wrote the possibility off.

I hope they can make it work. I like what Antonio brings to the defense.

Insideop
02-20-2014, 10:32 AM
Signing Antonio might have just gotten a little easier. Reports are coming out (I heard it on 610.) that the cap will be moved up to about 130 million.

Texanmike02
02-20-2014, 01:22 PM
On a team that has significant holes (I don't think the cabinet is as bare as many of you do but I acknowledge that we do have some serious deficiencies) you don't create another hole by letting a good player go.

Smith is a versatile, successful player and has an attitude and agression that I don't think we see enough of from the rest of the roster. You don't overpay for him but if he is close to reasonable he is a must sign in my book.

All of this stuff about the pool incident is garbage. Some guy was a jack ass at one of his parties, end of story.

Bottom line: AS has been very effective in almost every role he has been asked to play.

Why create a hole when we are trying to fill them?

Mike

infantrycak
02-20-2014, 02:19 PM
You are only going to get so many stars on your team. Antonio Smith is exactly what you want in the remainder - solid players right on the edge of pro bowl level performance. Guys like Smith and Jamie Sharper are the backbones of good NFL teams. You improve your team most by replacing weak sisters like McCain with guys like Smith, not by churning cheap bodies through positions filled with guys like him. You only get rid of guys like Smith if they demand payment like perennial probowlers.

Texian
02-20-2014, 02:52 PM
Using Dwight Freeney and John Abraham as a barometer for re-signing Ninja I think it would take a 2 yr contract at approx $4mil cap hit each year.

badboy
02-20-2014, 03:08 PM
Using Dwight Freeney and John Abraham as a barometer for re-signing Ninja I think it would take a 2 yr contract at approx $4mil cap hit each year.

And that would save us $5m to use elsewhere. :handshake:

Texian
02-20-2014, 03:43 PM
And that would save us $5m to use elsewhere. :handshake:

Not sure how that would save us $5 million since Ninja is a FA. By my calculations that would be an additional $4 million to the current salary cap.

_King_
02-20-2014, 03:47 PM
I don't understand the no's on bringing smith back. If he can be had at a reasonable price, you make that happen.

infantrycak
02-20-2014, 04:13 PM
Not sure how that would save us $5 million since Ninja is a FA. By my calculations that would be an additional $4 million to the current salary cap.

You are both correct.

It is an additional $4 mil on the current cap calculation which has too few players on it and will obviously get filled.

It is also a $5 mil savings over what that position cost to fill last season.

drs23
02-20-2014, 05:11 PM
I didn't say that I was consistent. I don't think Smith is a player you can win with. I don't care for him personally either. He's part of a long standing problem in Houston. I feel the same way that I did about Winston.

Dave Smith's $$$$ put that $$$$ with Schaub/OD's $$$$ and get Soliai.

Dave's not here. (in your best stoner voice)

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 06:05 PM
You are only going to get so many stars on your team. Antonio Smith is exactly what you want in the remainder - solid players right on the edge of pro bowl level performance. Guys like Smith and Jamie Sharper are the backbones of good NFL teams. You improve your team most by replacing weak sisters like McCain with guys like Smith, not by churning cheap bodies through positions filled with guys like him. You only get rid of guys like Smith if they demand payment like perennial probowlers.

I would rather sign a great player like Soliai using the $$$$$ saved from Schaub/AS and draft a solid player like Taylor Hart to compete with Crick for AS spot.

Getting difference makers with FA $$$$$ and filling in the holes with draft picks/vet min FA's is the way I would go.

Of course the Texans will probably do what most on this board want and re-sign AS. Therefore maintain mediocrity for another 3 yrs.

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 06:08 PM
Dave's not here. (in your best stoner voice)

Brain fart

Norg
02-21-2014, 01:36 AM
How long has Ninja been in the league like 8 nine years


hes a few years away from retirement hes to old and gets payed 2 much


thanks ninja but u couldn't cut it in Arozina or Texas alla taking dis team to the Supperr ehhh AFC championship LOL set my bar kinda low

im thinking brien knows and told BOB look I need at least one year to fix dis mess kinda like a purge the terrible word Rebuilding year

HouTx11
02-21-2014, 03:42 AM
Jumping offsides before the Jags hailmary giving the Jags the yds needed to almost throw the ball to the endzone.

You are correct that did happen. As for the hailmary TD, the Texans should've already won the game had it not been for Joel Dreessen.

Marshall
02-21-2014, 06:05 AM
You are both correct.

It is an additional $4 mil on the current cap calculation which has too few players on it and will obviously get filled.

It is also a $5 mil savings over what that position cost to fill last season.

Good explanation. I almost said the same thing and then decided to read a couple of extra posts.

Scooter
02-21-2014, 07:46 AM
i would love to get antonio back. i think there are few more underrated players in the league, but as a 3-4 defensive end his contributions are mostly unnoticed. similarly, when you've got possibly the best defensive player since reggie white on the other side, being overlooked is going to happen. he's fun for the fans, and he's one of the vets that by all reports gives everything he can to help younger players. i don't see it happening though because he's in his twilight and simply going to cost too much to give a retirement contract to. i think he's one that romeo would love to keep however. the ninja can stack a double team, penetrate outside or in, and can play any position on the line.

BigBull17
02-21-2014, 03:27 PM
I do hold it against him, how many parties have you thrown were somebody passed out, much less fell in a pool? I want a culture change and AS was part of a bad culture. Football certainly didn't come 1st for him and unless you're a great player it's time to move on.

You've never had someone pass out at one of your parties? What kind of boring ass shindigs do you throw?

kingtexan
02-22-2014, 10:04 AM
Unless he can play NT, or we move to a 4-3, not sure how he will fit once Clowney gets here ... :runaway:

infantrycak
02-22-2014, 10:13 AM
Unless he can play NT, or we move to a 4-3, not sure how he will fit once Clowney gets here ... :runaway:

Given Clowney's 266 lbs they aren't up for the same spot.

House of Pain
02-22-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm ready to move on from the party boy Antonio type.

Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

steelbtexan
02-22-2014, 12:46 PM
Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

Scoreboard

People who have died at party

SB=0
AS=1

kingtexan
02-23-2014, 09:59 AM
Given Clowney's 266 lbs they aren't up for the same spot.

So in a 3-4 would one be the NT or would both be ends?

infantrycak
02-23-2014, 10:24 AM
So in a 3-4 would one be the NT or would both be ends?

Clowney has no place on the DL, he would need to be OLB.

He is 25lbs lighter than the lightest DE Crennel has ever used and is exactly in line with the OLBs.

Vinnie
02-27-2014, 01:38 PM
Tell me about it...last time he had a party someone turned up DEAD

I know this thread is old, but how are you so sure he hasn't thrown any parties since then?

badboy
02-28-2014, 03:44 PM
I know this thread is old, but how are you so sure he hasn't thrown any parties since then?
Why does it matter as long as he does nothing wrong?

Texian
03-03-2014, 10:52 AM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/osi-umenyiora/

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 11:06 AM
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/osi-umenyiora/

What about him? He isn't an AS replacement.

Texian
03-03-2014, 11:10 AM
What about him? He isn't an AS replacement.

He is a very similar player to AS and link is to the contract that he signed last year. In a thread titled Bringing Antonio Back, this is a general idea of what it might cost to do just that.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 11:17 AM
He is a very similar player to AS and link is to the contract that he signed last year. In a thread titled Bringing Antonio Back, this is a general idea of what it might cost to do just that.

He is nothing like AS as a player. Dude is 255 lbs. He would be in competition with Mercilus here not a replacement for AS.

But cost wise, maybe same ball park. Osi supposedly gave something of a hometown discount but maybe AS will as well.

_King_
03-03-2014, 11:36 AM
I think if you can get Antonio back for that price you jump on it. Hopefully Antonio enjoys Houston and wants to make it work.

WolverineFan
03-03-2014, 11:39 AM
I think if you can get Antonio back for that price you jump on it. Hopefully Antonio enjoys Houston and wants to make it work.

Ehh....IIRC, he left Arizona because he didn't want to play 3-4 DE and wanted to rush the passer. He was okay with Wade because he ran a non-traditional one-gap 3-4 where he could still rush the passer. I don't see him coming back and being a more traditional 3-4 DE unless he gets zero interest in the FA market.

Vinny
03-03-2014, 11:48 AM
I'd be shocked to see him on the roster next season.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 12:38 PM
Ehh....IIRC, he left Arizona because he didn't want to play 3-4 DE and wanted to rush the passer. He was okay with Wade because he ran a non-traditional one-gap 3-4 where he could still rush the passer. I don't see him coming back and being a more traditional 3-4 DE unless he gets zero interest in the FA market.

I'm not sure that reported comment still applies. That was before he had 3-4 experience. After having been in one he may be much less hesitant even in a less penetrating system.

House of Pain
03-03-2014, 02:15 PM
Scoreboard

People who have died at party

SB=0
AS=1

I still see that as a 50% death rate for two 'known' parties. :kitten:

TexansSeminole
03-03-2014, 02:51 PM
I'm not sure that reported comment still applies. That was before he had 3-4 experience. After having been in one he may be much less hesitant even in a less penetrating system.

Arizona did run a multiple type defense back when AS was there. He had at least a little experience playing in the 3-4 before he came to Houston.

infantrycak
03-03-2014, 03:04 PM
Arizona did run a multiple type defense back when AS was there. He had at least a little experience playing in the 3-4 before he came to Houston.

I'm aware. I still think AS's early comments may be overplayed and they overlook his recent comments on wanting to stay which IMO were more sincere than the typical pro forma statements made.

_King_
03-03-2014, 03:10 PM
One thing BOB and to a smaller degree have mentioned is shaping their defense to fit what they need.

If you listen to or hear Antonio he sounded like him coming back was a real possibility. I don't think that would be the case if crennel or bob had given him an inkling that he wouldn't fit what they wanted to do.

For all we know they may see Antonio as a guy who will have a reduced role but still be a valuable piece to the team. Or they could see him as a guy they will fit into what they do.

Honestly I probably wouldn't have started the thread or felt like it was a possibility he'd be back had I not heard the interview. He sounded sincere to me and really Antonio has not been one to blow a bunch if smoke.

Playoffs
03-14-2014, 07:37 PM
Gonna miss me some Smiff.

On the Nose, the origin of the Ninja: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/On-the-Nose-with-Shaun-Cody-Ninjas/8d7a1aad-e75d-4057-be2b-859ed0f557d6

stealfness

ArlingtonTexan
03-14-2014, 08:29 PM
well, he is not coming back

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/antonio-smith-lands-in-oakland/

Texan_Bill
03-14-2014, 08:31 PM
So apparently "the Ninja" knows his career is over.... #OaklandRaiders

Where careers go to die.

_King_
03-14-2014, 09:09 PM
Well...goodbye smiff...

On a side note, Oakland front might be pretty good next year.

htownfan32
03-14-2014, 11:16 PM
Going to miss Smith's personality. Added a lot of character to our defense. Wish him luck in Oakland when not playing against us.

PapaL
03-15-2014, 12:06 AM
To me not bringing him back is a big sign for the Pro-Clowney draft a QB at 2-1 camp.

imatexan
03-15-2014, 12:12 AM
Going to miss Antonio, he was entertaining.

CretorFrigg
03-15-2014, 12:20 AM
With Antonio Smith gone, the defense should have fewer penalties.

Sigma
03-15-2014, 09:25 AM
To me not bringing him back is a big sign for the Pro-Clowney draft a QB at 2-1 camp.

either that or they want people to believe we want to take clowney but instead trade down

_King_
03-15-2014, 10:14 AM
I don't think clowney would play DE here. He's kind of smallish for that role.

Unless we go to a 43. Which I'm not sure is completely out of the question.

Texian
03-15-2014, 12:12 PM
IMHO not re-signing Ninja had much more to do with not having enough salary cap dollars than drafting Clowney. For starters Ninja nad Clowney would play different positions in RCs D.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 01:11 PM
Party on Antonio

You should fit in with the Raiders well.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 01:14 PM
Going to miss Antonio, he was entertaining.

And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

imatexan
03-15-2014, 02:21 PM
And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

Also the our second best DE on two playoff teams that won 2 playoff games.

It wasn't Antonio's fault we were 2-14.

TheMatrix31
03-15-2014, 08:38 PM
With Antonio Smith gone, the defense should have fewer penalties.


I loved Antonio Smith but he cost us so much with his undisciplined play.

Gonna miss him, but won't miss the idiocy.

Bulls on Parade
03-15-2014, 08:53 PM
Clowney has no place on the DL, he would need to be OLB.

He is 25lbs lighter than the lightest DE Crennel has ever used and is exactly in line with the OLBs.
Very true but also you have to realize that Jared Crick is only 6'4 and 287. Jared Crick is often manhandled as a right end in a 3-4 defense. He looked horrible anytime he was on the field last year. Without Antonio Smith are we really going to start Crick? I'd rather have Jadeveon Clowney playing over Jared Crick any day of the week. Jadeveon Clowney is 6'6 and 274 -- was down to 266 at the combine to run the 40-yard dash faster.

But anyways, are you telling me he can't easily bulk up to 290 if needed? Granted he has that foot injury which I'm concerned about. He may need to have surgery on it before he puts on more pounds. Clowney said he'll wait until he's drafted and let the team decide what he should do.

If the Texans have to start Jared Crick at defensive right end on the opposite side of J.J. Watt it's going to be a long, and I mean very longgggggg season. Another 2-14 record? Hmm, may as well start talking about Jameis Winston number one overall in the 2015 draft if that's the case.

Let's sign Vince Wilfork once he's released, draft Jadeveon Clowney to play defensive right end. All of a sudden a J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork and Jadeveon Clowney front three looks pretty sensational on paper.

Move Brooks Reed to inside linebacker with Brian Cushing. We can draft an outside linebacker in round three or four, assuming we draft a quarterback in round two. And we already have Whitney Mercilus at one of the starting spots at outside linebacker.

The Texans should have a dominating 3-4 defense in 2014 under Romeo Crennel.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 09:35 PM
Also the our second best DE on two playoff teams that won 2 playoff games.

It wasn't Antonio's fault we were 2-14.

It was nobody's fault.

It's past time to clean house.

steelbtexan
03-15-2014, 09:40 PM
Very true but also you have to realize that Jared Crick is only 6'4 and 287. Jared Crick is often manhandled as a right end in a 3-4 defense. He looked horrible anytime he was on the field last year. Without Antonio Smith are we really going to start Crick? I'd rather have Jadeveon Clowney playing over Jared Crick any day of the week. Jadeveon Clowney is 6'6 and 274 -- was down to 266 at the combine to run the 40-yard dash faster.

But anyways, are you telling me he can't easily bulk up to 290 if needed? Granted he has that foot injury which I'm concerned about. He may need to have surgery on it before he puts on more pounds. Clowney said he'll wait until he's drafted and let the team decide what he should do.

If the Texans have to start Jared Crick at defensive right end on the opposite side of J.J. Watt it's going to be a long, and I mean very longgggggg season. Another 2-14 record? Hmm, may as well start talking about Jameis Winston number one overall in the 2015 draft if that's the case.

Let's sign Vince Wilfork once he's released, draft Jadeveon Clowney to play defensive right end. All of a sudden a J.J. Watt, Vince Wilfork and Jadeveon Clowney front three looks pretty sensational on paper.

Move Brooks Reed to inside linebacker with Brian Cushing. We can draft an outside linebacker in round three or four, assuming we draft a quarterback in round two. And we already have Whitney Mercilus at one of the starting spots at outside linebacker.

The Texans should have a dominating 3-4 defense in 2014 under Romeo Crennel.

This is what I would do. Except I would draft a DE in rd 3-4 and let Clowney play the Leo position. I would also draft a LB late in the draft. Bullough is somebody I would look at. Depth at LB is badly needed.

Norg
03-15-2014, 10:50 PM
which team will have more wins next Year Raiders or da Texans



reall talk LOL

Goldensilence
03-16-2014, 06:31 PM
And a leader on a 2-14 team that quit on its coach.

More like the wheels fell off this team. I think more than the team quitting in Kubiak the real short comings of this team and staff showed starting with Schaub and trickling down. Though backdooring into the previous year's playoffs had to make people nervous.

JB
03-16-2014, 06:34 PM
More like the wheels fell off this team. I think more than the team quitting in Kubiak the real short comings of this team and staff showed starting with Schaub and trickling down. Though backdooring into the previous year's playoffs had to make people nervous.


How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Showtime100
03-16-2014, 06:36 PM
So he's gone. Next man up. I wish him well and hope he stays healthy, but that's about as much sentiment as I can muster.

Goldensilence
03-16-2014, 07:50 PM
How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Not saying the last two years completely, but... You did see the offense bottom out the last four games of the season prior to waking up enough to get past the Bengals?

Vance87
03-16-2014, 09:53 PM
Not saying the last two years completely, but... You did see the offense bottom out the last four games of the season prior to waking up enough to get past the Bengals?

Yeah that was bad. I thought for sure the Bengals would whoop our butts.

Trail.Blazr
03-17-2014, 09:25 AM
How do you backdoor your way into winning the division? Twice in a row

Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

The Pencil Neck
03-17-2014, 12:18 PM
Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

A few years ago, the weakest division was the NFC West. They had a playoff team (the Seahawks) who won the division and went to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.

A few years ago, the strongest division was the AFC South with three teams with double digit wins and the weakest team was 8-8.

These things change.

ObsiWan
03-17-2014, 03:09 PM
Being in the weakest division in the NFL can't hurt.

Sincerely,
The New England Patriots

Trail.Blazr
03-17-2014, 03:37 PM
A few years ago, the weakest division was the NFC West. They had a playoff team (the Seahawks) who won the division and went to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.

A few years ago, the strongest division was the AFC South with three teams with double digit wins and the weakest team was 8-8.

These things change.

Yes the change. But the two seasons the Texans did so-called back door it, was with no relevant competition in the division. Manning injured Indy first year, then rookie Luck in year 2, who still challenged the Texans. In either year, Houston struggled mightily against legit playoff contenders. ObsiWan makes light of the Patriots, who last year legitimately had a quasi-backdoor season, but prior years, while their division may have remained weak, they still played to a level that I wouldn't consider backdoor level. If anything they were what kept that division from being considered the weakest.

To me the difference is Houston benefited from being in a weak division for 2 years, where as the Patriots took advantage of theirs.

I agree with imatexan, Antonio is not to blame for 2-14, but I do consider him to be a journeyman. I liked his personality and on more than one occasion was glad he was a Texan. He did stay on the field and contributed to more than one great play, but don't consider him as a "play maker" and am glad Houston won't be paying 9 mill for the next 2 years to keep him in a system he's figured not to be an every down player anymore.

House of Pain
03-19-2014, 10:49 AM
I'm just worried about who on our D is going to step up and get a personal foul when we just stopped the other team on 3rd and 14? :kitten:

The Pencil Neck
03-19-2014, 10:51 AM
I'm just worried about who on our D is going to step up and get a personal foul when we just stopped the other team on 3rd and 14? :kitten:

We've got Swearinger for that, now.

:vincepalm: