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texan279
02-16-2014, 08:11 PM
Ravens running back Ray Rice was arrested over the weekend after an alleged physical altercation involving his fiancee at a casino in Atlantic City, according to his attorneys.

Rice’s attorney Andrew Alperstein confirmed Rice was charged and released after what he described as allegations of a “very minor physical altercation” with a woman he identified as Rice's fiancee at Revel Casino on the Atlantic City Boardwalk.

Rice, 27, was released on his own recognizance, Alperstein said.

According to Ravens director of public relations Chad Steele: "We are aware of the Friday night situation with Ray Rice and his fiancee. We have spoken with Ray, and know that they returned home together after being detained."



http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-running-back-ray-rice-arrested-after-incident-in-atlantic-city-20140216,0,132362.story?track=rss

CloakNNNdagger
02-16-2014, 08:35 PM
By other reports, apparently his fiance was also charged.

Texn4life
02-17-2014, 02:48 AM
If I were famous I'd live by the Derek Jeter playbook. That guy has truly been living the dream. Banging hot chicks, staying out of trouble, and just enjoying the fruits of his labor. I'm sure at time he wishes he would've had kids, but 9 men out of 10 would kill to be him for a day.

I forgot what the post was all about for a second, but Ray Rice should call Jeter for advice!

handswarmer
02-18-2014, 08:58 AM
Apparently Ray Rice tried run after the altercation

He was tackled after 2.7 yds.....

handswarmer
02-18-2014, 08:59 AM
Ray Rice was a little upset because he tried to get to the buffet but couldn't get thru the line....

Marshall
02-18-2014, 09:00 AM
Apparently Ray Rice tried run after the altercation

He was tackled after 2.7 yds.....

I don't care who you are, now that's funny.

santo
02-18-2014, 10:14 AM
Apparently Ray Rice tried run after the altercation

He was tackled after 2.7 yds.....

Ray Rice was a little upset because he tried to get to the buffet but couldn't get thru the line....


:spit:

Double Barrel
02-18-2014, 11:50 AM
Gary Kubiak doesn't think Ray Rice is "Raven worthy". :hmmm:

chicagotexan2
02-18-2014, 03:29 PM
By other reports, apparently his fiance was also charged.

Other reports say Rice snapped after numerous patrons thought they were at a Gary Coleman signing.

matts290
02-19-2014, 01:00 AM
I wonder if his wife is bigger than him and has JJ eaten a burrito bigger than her as well?

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 12:31 PM
Video shows Ravens running back Ray Rice dragging girlfriend out of Atlantic City casino elevator

Surveillance video obtained by TMZ shows Rice dragging his fiancée, Janay Palmer, out of the elevator at Revel Casino and dropping her on the casino floor
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ravens-rice-drags-fiance-casino-elevator-article-1.1619650#ixzz2tn3P1gSw

Texn4life
02-19-2014, 06:21 PM
On the surface it doesn't look good for Rice, but its hard to make much of a judgement right now without knowing all the facts. I would think that if he hit her there would have been significant damage done to her physically? Did he choke her out? Domestic violence is never OK in any circumstance, but still a ton of questions that are unanswered at this point.

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 06:36 PM
On the surface it doesn't look good for Rice, but its hard to make much of a judgement right now without knowing all the facts. I would think that if he hit her there would have been significant damage done to her physically? Did he choke her out? Domestic violence is never OK in any circumstance, but still a ton of questions that are unanswered at this point.

Yeah, she could have been passed out from drinking... but it sure looks bad.

PapaL
02-19-2014, 07:02 PM
It's being reported that he knocked her out; LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10484945/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-knocked-fiancee-unconscious-altercation)

Ray Rice knocked fiancee out

Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice struck his fiancée with his hand, rendering her unconscious, according to a summons obtained by ESPN.

Rice and his fiancée were both arrested for simple assault after an incident early Saturday at a casino in Atlantic City, N.J. Rice and the woman "struck each other with their hands," according to an Atlantic City police report.

Someone should explain to him the difference between hitting the hole hard and hitting your hoe hard.

Dutchrudder
02-19-2014, 08:25 PM
It should be pretty easy to determine if she was knocked out or was super drunk, but either way he clearly fumbled the situation.

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 09:06 PM
USA Today added this at the bottom of their blurb on the video, where Rice's lawyer is apparently attempting to paint it in a better light than the video shows...
Rice signed a five-year, $35 million contract in July 2012 that included $22 million in guarantees. But he's coming off a remarkably unproductive season in which he rushed for just 660 yards on 214 carries and scored four touchdowns.

He's scheduled to make $4 million in base salary in 2014 with a cap number of $8.75 million. If the Ravens cut him, they'd have $14.25 million in dead money to account for over the next year or two, depending how they'd designate his release.

Double Barrel
02-20-2014, 01:32 PM
Man, his image is going to take a nosedive if she was unconscious from being hit. Absolutely no excuse for this behavior, if that's what happened.

She looked drunk as Cooter Brown in the video. My first thought was that he was picking up a passed out woman, as this is something I had to deal with on numerous occasions with my ex. She never knew her limits, and I always had to deal with the messes she left behind while babysitting her drunk stupid self.

The1ApplePie
02-20-2014, 01:47 PM
She looked drunk as Cooter Brown in the video. My first thought was that he was picking up a passed out woman, as this is something I had to deal with on numerous occasions with my ex. She never knew her limits, and I always had to deal with the messes she left behind while babysitting her drunk stupid self.

I had the same exact experience, but it is hard to tell with the video. Upon seeing it the first time, I assumed that she was wasted, but I might be projecting.

Double Barrel
02-20-2014, 01:49 PM
I had the same exact experience, but it is hard to tell with the video. Upon seeing it the first time, I assumed that she was wasted, but I might be projecting.

yeah, me, too, about projecting. Not having any experience with a knocked out woman, I can only draw from my own life with alcoholic fools.

Blake
02-20-2014, 02:26 PM
He could take a dump on her head. She isnt going anywhere.

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 10:25 PM
Source says police have yet-to-be-released video of Ray Rice knocking fiancée unconscious before dragging her. Expect a suspension.
https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/436692985594781696



He could take a dump on her head.I have no response to this. http://www.skagenboats.com/skagenforum/images/smilies/neutral.png

Playoffs
03-27-2014, 04:34 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Ravens RB Ray Rice was indicted today on one count of aggravated assault. Carries a 3-5 year prison term.

Showtime100
03-27-2014, 05:01 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Reporters caught up with new offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak who was quoted as saying, "It's on me."

:kitten:

Wolf6151
03-27-2014, 06:30 PM
Reporters caught up with new offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak who was quoted as saying, "It's on me."

:kitten:

:spit:

thunderkyss
03-27-2014, 09:37 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Didn't they have a pretty damning video? Surely this wasn't a surprise.

IDEXAN
03-27-2014, 10:23 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Ravens RB Ray Rice was indicted today on one count of aggravated assault. Carries a 3-5 year prison term

Just get Ray Lewis's lawyer, he'll end doing 6 months probation, Max.

2012Champs
03-27-2014, 11:05 PM
Just get Ray Lewis's lawyer, he'll end doing 6 months probation, Max.


Was that the same lawyer who represented Ray's friends who were acquitted?

handswarmer
03-28-2014, 01:31 PM
It is possible to support the player without condoning the action.

Ray has done a lot of good work in the community; he came to my kids high school (my alma mater) and spoke for 90 minutes, then signed autographs for another 90 until the gym was empty.

Again, not condoning the action but supporting the player and the man.

Playoffs
03-28-2014, 02:26 PM
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ray-rice-dragging-fiancee-out-of-elevator.gif

WolverineFan
03-28-2014, 02:43 PM
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ray-rice-dragging-fiancee-out-of-elevator.gif

Don't know the whole story but didn't she punch him first? Not saying that gives him the right to hit her back, but from what I had heard she started the assault.

thunderkyss
03-28-2014, 02:45 PM
Don't know the whole story but didn't she punch him first? Not saying that gives him the right to hit her back, but from what I had heard she started the assault.

Yeah... unless she was built like him, it wouldn't matter in my mind.

WolverineFan
03-28-2014, 02:58 PM
Yeah... unless she was built like him, it wouldn't matter in my mind.

I quite agree and he should still be charged. But I don't feel sorry for her either.

JPPT1974
03-29-2014, 01:33 AM
Really lost all respect for Ray as well as like for him seeing that video and hearing about this. :(

Playoffs
03-29-2014, 11:55 AM
Oh, this is sweet... if she's my wife she won't testify against me! http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff22/misa_love/Emoticons/NoNo.gif

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
RB Ray Rice got married Friday night to Janay Palmer. Ceremony had been planned for couple of weeks. Got indicted Thursday, married Friday.

Rumor is after an appearance on WWE they'll honeymoon in Madison Square Garden and then take up residence in the Baltimore County Courthouse.

:lol:

Peyton's Head ‏@PeytonsHead
Do you think Ray Rice served punch at the wedding reception?

Doug Gottlieb ‏@GottliebShow
Ray Rice just got married? I give the marriage 3 to 5 years

Faux John Madden ‏@FauxJohnMadden
Ray Rice married his fiancé on Friday. He finished the evening by dragging his wife over the threshold.

Playoffs
05-01-2014, 11:54 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10865986/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-pleads-not-guilty-eyes-pretrial-program
Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice pleaded not guilty to a third-degree charge of aggravated assault and applied for a pretrial intervention program Thursday morning in Mays Landing, N.J.

The pretrial intervention program is a diversion program that permits certain defendants (particularly first-time ones) to avoid formal prosecution.

If Rice is not approved for the program, his next court date is scheduled for May 29. Prosecutors have offered a plea agreement in which Rice would receive probation with no jail time and undergo anger-management counseling.

thunderkyss
05-01-2014, 01:59 PM
All kidding aside, the NFL should make a statement about violence against women here.

Sure, he's not found guilty, but even with just the appearance of guilt, the NFL should "suspend him" "temporarily ban him from team activities" or something like that. No reason to even give the appearance of "stand by your guy" in a situation like this.

Unless they already have & I forgot about it.

Norg
05-01-2014, 03:36 PM
I bet the Bengals Pick him up after ravens cut him .......LOL

Playoffs
07-24-2014, 10:32 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
So Ravens RB Ray Rice now will miss opening games against AFC North foes Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

NFL is suspending Ravens RB Ray Rice for the first two games this season, per sources. The suspension is expected to be announced today.

smdh

CloakNNNdagger
07-24-2014, 10:34 AM
Looks like Rice is going to be given only 2 game suspension. If true, something's terribly wrong with the NFL's values placed on the acts leading to determination of suspension severity.

TheIronDuke
07-24-2014, 10:44 AM
Once Cierre Wood hits the field for Baltimore they won't need Rice anymore anyway.

htownfan32
07-24-2014, 11:07 AM
Once Cierre Wood hits the field for Baltimore they won't need Rice anymore anyway.

I still wish we'd held on to that guy, pot be damned

Playoffs
07-24-2014, 11:22 AM
Jane McManus ‏@janesports
Last month I interviewed NFL head of HR. Robert Gulliver told me, "We just simply don’t tolerate instances of domestic violence."

http://i62.tinypic.com/97r12p.jpg

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
Taking Aderall with a perscription but failing to fill out the paperwork with the league gets you four games. Knocking out a woman? Two.

Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero
Two-game ban for Ray Rice. I really want to know what else is on that tape.

Richard Deitsch @richarddeitsch
People should go off on the NFL for the Ray Rice non-punishment. The optics are horrible on the adjudication.

Chris Burke ‏@ChrisBurke_SI
Good thing Ray Rice didn't test positive for Adderall after punching his fiancee because then the league would be really mad.

Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP
Greg Hardy's girlfriend never lost consciousness during her beating and strangling, so the NFL will only be suspending him 1 game.

I wonder if the NFL went easy on Ray Rice in part so their non-punishment of Irsay and Haslam won't look so bad in comparison.

List of NFL no-nos:
1. Free tattoos in college.
2. Smoking weed.
1,579. Beating women unconscious.

Reminder: The NFL suspended Terrelle Pryor for FIVE games for getting free tattoos in college.

Knock your girlfriend out cold: 2-game suspension.
Smoke weed: 4-game suspension.
NFL logic, ladies and gentlemen.

toronto
07-24-2014, 11:39 AM
Jane McManus ‏@janesports


Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN


Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero


Richard Deitsch @richarddeitsch


Chris Burke ‏@ChrisBurke_SI


Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP

This deserves to be destroyed. Its optics, as Deitsch (one of my faves for media watching) said, are beyond appalling.

Vinny
07-24-2014, 05:35 PM
I still wish we'd held on to that guy, pot be damnedwas he your connection?

CloakNNNdagger
07-24-2014, 08:13 PM
Goodell's official statement on the 2 game suspension/3 game $ loss:

“As you acknowledged during our meeting, your conduct was unquestionably inconsistent with league polices and the standard of behavior required of everyone who is part of the NFL,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a letter to Rice. “The league is an entity that depends on integrity and in the confidence of the public and we simply cannot tolerate conduct that endangers others or reflects negatively on our game. This is particularly true with respect to domestic violence and other forms of violence against women.”

Good job of maintaining the unblemished integrity of the NFL. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/Drewsy_photobucket/jerkit.gif

austins23
07-24-2014, 08:25 PM
This is disgusting. The NFL should be ashamed. I lose my job if convicted of family violence. Misdemeanor or Felony! And this cat was arraigned on a THIRD DEGREE felony.

Really, really lame.

infantrycak
07-24-2014, 08:33 PM
This is disgusting. The NFL should be ashamed. I lose my job if convicted of family violence. Misdemeanor or Felony! And this cat was arraigned on a THIRD DEGREE felony.

Really, really lame.

Do you see the key word difference in your sentences? - convicted v. arraigned.

I'm not fond of the NFL handing out punishment without a conviction except for the drug/alcohol issues the players agreed to.

austins23
07-24-2014, 08:56 PM
Do you see the key word difference in your sentences? - convicted v. arraigned.

I'm not fond of the NFL handing out punishment without a conviction except for the drug/alcohol issues the players agreed to.

Ok, let me rephrase. I lose my job for simply being arrested for domestic violence. Was he not convicted? And he got two games. Maybe "family violence" should be written into the CBA so that the punishment is harsher. This is WAY worse than smoking a little reefer, IMO.

Playoffs
07-24-2014, 09:23 PM
mark schlereth ‏@markschlereth
The NFL... where an alleged punch to the face turns into a slap on the wrist. @nflcommish this punishment is an embarrassment.

:fingergun:

steelbtexan
07-24-2014, 11:18 PM
Goodell's official statement on the 2 game suspension/3 game $ loss:



Good job of maintaining the unblemished integrity of the NFL. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/Drewsy_photobucket/jerkit.gif

Could God'ell be a phony?

Unfortunately we will never get to see the tape of what really happened in that elevator. I bet it was WEE worthy.

steelbtexan
07-24-2014, 11:21 PM
Do you see the key word difference in your sentences? - convicted v. arraigned.

I'm not fond of the NFL handing out punishment without a conviction except for the drug/alcohol issues the players agreed to.

I'm not a fan of God'ell being judge and jury even if there are no charges/convictions brought against said player.

handswarmer
08-04-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm a Ravens fan so I can see where some people think I may have bias. I do not. No reason to hit a woman, ever. It is only when a Mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize that Violence cannot solve every problem.

#1- no one but the Prosecutor and the NFL people who saw the tape, know whats on it and happened in the elevator. people should use the word "allegedly" when they say Rice "knocked her out"...no one but a select few know.

#2- the comparisons of drug use and Rice's case a ridiculous. :smoke weed get a year, knock a hoe out, get 2 games". Well, Josh Gordon is a 3 time offender. THIRD time he has put something in his body HE KNOWS IS BANNED. Duh. Rice made a horrible mistake- one any of us could and have made already.

#3- the penalties for offenses under the Drug and Alcohol Policy of the NFL are clear cut. 1st time- enter the Program and submit to random testing. 2nd time offense is 4 games. 3rd time is 1 year ban...what Rice did falls under Personal Conduct Policy- where the punishments are vague and widespread.

#4- if players, media, etc are mad at Goodell dispensing justice, the players should be blamed because they agreed to the CBA which left him as judge jury and executioner in exchange for less practice time, less OTA's, less padded practices and more money.

A lot of ignorance is on display here by fans, players, media and generally everyone.

Playoffs
08-28-2014, 02:31 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.

Troy Chapman
08-28-2014, 02:32 PM
Once Cierre Wood hits the field for Baltimore they won't need Rice anymore anyway.

Cierre Wood was released on the first cut to 75 players.

Double Barrel
08-28-2014, 05:13 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.

There is nothing vague about that! Good for the NFL.

handswarmer
08-29-2014, 11:12 PM
I'm not a fan of God'ell being judge and jury even if there are no charges/convictions brought against said player.

Players have no one to blame except themselves for that- they ratified the CBA. They knew what was in it...

CloakNNNdagger
08-30-2014, 10:37 AM
Lenient Ray Rice suspension leads Roger Goodell to admit he was wrong, create new and tougher policy (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-rights-big-mistake-invoking-tougher-domestic-violence-policy-article-1.1921099)

This is the only reason that this has been acted on.......the NFL, Goodell, the owners and the players have finally been forced to the travel the "walk of shame."

http://mentalfaculties.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/angry-group-accuse-shame-pointing.jpg

Although NFL player arrests in general seem to be lower than the general population, domestic violence demonstrates an inordinately high distribution.


http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/morris-datalab-nfl-vaw-2.png?w=1545&h=474

This article is quite eye-opening to the true problem that exists among NFL players.:

The Rate of Domestic Violence Arrests Among NFL Players (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/)

12:50 PMJul 31 By Benjamin Morris

CloakNNNdagger
08-31-2014, 12:06 PM
This could be worse.

Report: Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence
Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2014, 11:22 AM EDT

When it comes to the NFL’s new policy on domestic violence, many of the details won’t be known until a player or two (or more) end up caught in the gears of its application.

The first player to be caught in the gears of the application of the new domestic violence policy apparently will be 49ers defensive end Ray McDonald.

According to Damian Trujillo of NBC Bay Area, McDonald has been arrested for domestic violence.

Per Trujillo, the alleged victim is pregnant, which by the terms of the new policy could result in an eventual suspension beyond the first-offense baseline of six games.

Before the process reaches that point, the case against McDonald will have to develop. ESPN reported in the aftermath of the announcement of the new policy that an “offense” will arise only after final adjudication of the criminal case, which suggests that a civil settlement with the victim that results in no prosecution could help the player escape punishment.

Asked whether the “final adjudication” report from ESPN is accurate, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT, “We deal with the facts of each case at the appropriate time and make decisions on those case when the process is completed.”

The facts of the first case apparently will involve Ray McDonald, a key member of the San Francisco defense who became a full-time starter upon the arrival of coach Jim Harbaugh.

The fact that Harbaugh is McDonald’s coach could create a separate area of trouble for the player, based on this quote from former 49ers safety Donte Whitner: “He said that we can do anything in the world and we can come and talk to him and he’ll forgive us except put our hands on women. If you put your hand on a woman then you’re done in his book.”

So maybe, in the end, Harbaugh will be even harder on McDonald than the league office will be.

As an aside, it seems that this new policy will allow players to avoid suspension if someone is paid off or if there is a plea bargain. If so, that stinks!

Playoffs
08-31-2014, 12:36 PM
This could be worse...

Picked a bad time to beat up a pregnant woman. :mariopalm:


BTW, we need a catchall "NFL Police Blotter" thread for these not huge names/headlines arrests/etc.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2014, 07:38 AM
All doubts now removed............nice going Goodell.

Video from inside elevator shows Ray Rice punching wife
Posted by Darin Gantt on September 8, 2014, 6:22 AM EDT

Some defenders of Ray Rice have been clinging to the fact that we hadn’t seen the video of what happened inside the Atlantic City casino elevator that precipitated his wife becoming unconscious, such that it mattered.

Now that we’ve seen it, nothing changes the fact his two-game suspension was so light that the league realized its tremendous error and changed the policy immediately.

TMZ has obtained the video from inside the elevator, and it shows what most expected.

Janay Rice and her now-husband were clearly having some degree of argument. She turned and appeared to be saying something, took a step his direction and he laid her out with a quick left to the face.

It certainly does not appear that she was about to inflict harm on him in the moments before she was knocked unconscious, and later dragged out of the elevator.

The visual is stark and troubling, and a chilling reminder of how egregious Roger Goodell’s initial mistake was.

HERE IS THE VIDEO (http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/)

As reported by TMZ:

Inside the elevator it's apparent he strikes first ... she hits back ... and then Rice delivers the knockout blow.
The punch knocks Janay off her feet -- and she smashes her head on the elevator hand rail ... knocking her out cold. Ray doesn't seem phased ... and when the door opens, he drags her out into the hotel.

An employee of the hotel -- which just shut down for good -- tells TMZ Sports he was working there at the time and says the NFL saw the elevator footage before imposing the 2-game suspension.

We reached out to the NFL for comment several times -- so far, radio silence.

handswarmer
09-08-2014, 09:35 AM
I'm sure the hotel employee is an accurate source...

Btw, I fully expected Rice to get 6 games, reduced to 4 upon appeal...

Leon Little killed a woman in a drunk driving case- what did he get? 8 games.


Blame the adjudicators not the defendant

bah007
09-08-2014, 09:39 AM
The worst thing about the video is not the punch (which is pretty bad). It's the way Rice acts afterward. He clearly had no remorse and believed he did the right thing. He could not have cared less about her well being.

thunderkyss
09-08-2014, 09:50 AM
I'm sure the hotel employee is an accurate source...

Btw, I fully expected Rice to get 6 games, reduced to 4 upon appeal...

Leon Little killed a woman in a drunk driving case- what did he get? 8 games.


Blame the adjudicators not the defendant

Really? the only think your drunk driving case has with this is that the victim is a woman... Really?

When you've got conclusive evidence such as this, it should be enough to kick him out of the league forever. What happened in that video is uncalled for.

The worst thing about the video is not the punch (which is pretty bad). It's the way Rice acts afterward. He clearly had no remorse and believed he did the right thing. He could not have cared less about her well being.

& the kicker for me, is that the dizzy broad "forgave" him for the whole thing. The spitting in her face (twice), the uppercut, & the dragging her around like a piece of trash.

That's the only reason I can see Goodell not knowing what to do. It's his private life, & they've obviously got something strange going on that I don't want no part of.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 09:53 AM
Blame the adjudicators not the defendant

Yeah, because it's somebody else's fault that "Sugar" Ray Rice beats up women.

But in his defense, you can see how upset & concerned the tough guy is after the knockout. I'm sure it was the first time he'd hit a girl. :truck:

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 11:03 AM
nick wright ‏@getnickwright
Ray Rice let his lawyer go on the radio and defame his wife like this. That's some shameful sh!t right there.

Rice’s attorney, Michael Diamondstein, ... would not say exactly what happened that night, but gave plenty of hypotheticals.

“This is just a complete hypothetical,” Diamondstein said. “Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, rather than enter into the pretrial diversionary program that he entered into, we hypothetically move forward on the case. Hypothetically, we litigate 100 motions, and the video comes out and the video shows — hypothetically speaking now, hypothetically speaking — shows that Ray wasn’t the first person that hit and Ray was getting repeatedly hit, but just Ray hit harder, fired one back and hit harder.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/05/25/ray-rices-attorney-clients-decision-to-address-the-media-was-the-right-move/

Sounds like a steaming load of hypothetical http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/shit/steaming-turd-smiley-emoticon.gif.

http://www.crossingbroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ray_rice.gif

klockWork
09-08-2014, 11:05 AM
If Rice acted in a "OMG, I just knock out my wife, what have I done!" You know the kind of remorseful feeling a person get when a love one is hurt, maybe some sympathy and leniency is deserve. But this dude acted like her unconscious body was just a nuisance. "Lookit here, you asleep, now I got to drag your sorry ass out this elevator. I hope you grateful for this." What a travesty the NFL is.

toronto
09-08-2014, 11:13 AM
Here is what will anger me. Most TV networks, if not all, will likely decide to not air this new video. They will say people shouldn't watch it.

I disagree. People should watch that, especially those in Baltimore that will have the chance to cheer for this person and buy jerseys donning his name and number. He will be a hero if he rushes for 200 yds and all will be forgotten, as excited boys tell their dads or moms they want to be just like him. This video should be shown over and ****ing over, so those dads and moms can tell that kid he can do much better than Rice.

I haven't been this pissed over someone getting to play their sport since Todd Bertuzzi broke Steve Moore's neck on the ice, and got to play the following year.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 11:23 AM
What a P.O.S. this guy is.. a complete P.O.S. Go F yourself you coward punk. I guess Watt should of said he eats ******* bigger than you, because that's exactly what you are... one giant P****. Real men don't hit women.

Screw waiting on the commish, if the Ravens don't sit his ass down I'll lose all respect for that ownership, coaching staff, and organization.

The guy needs to go, I'm sorry, but he does.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 11:24 AM
Terrance Knighton @MrKnighton2u (https://twitter.com/MrKnighton2u)
As players we always speak on how we are unfairly treated, well now what?

This video makes me sick to my stomach.

As players we must speak up. Stand up for what's right. I don't give a damn who u are or how much money you make. No place for this.

If there's anyway to open that case up and give this guy the punishment he deserves, it NEEDS to be done.

That man should be thrown out the the nfl and thrown into jail. Shame on those deciding his punishment. Smh

Shaun O'Hara ‏@ShaunOHara60 (https://twitter.com/ShaunOHara60)
Watched Ray Rice Video. As a man I am disgusted. As former NFL player I am ashamed by handling of this by the league. Despicable.

Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP
Also, the NFL league office has non-profit status with the federal government.

Just a reminder that Roger Goodell got $74 million in salary and bonuses the past two years to make decisions like this.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 11:35 AM
And his fan base is already done with him... good for them.

http://russellstreetreport.com/forum/showthread.php?119372-Full-and-Unedited-Ray-Rice-Elevator-Video-Hits-the-Internet

thunderkyss
09-08-2014, 11:40 AM
Sounds like a steaming load of hypothetical http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/shit/steaming-turd-smiley-emoticon.gif.

http://www.crossingbroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ray_rice.gif

Even worse, the complete video, starting before they get in the elevator, shows Rice spitting in her face when she comes into the picture, then again in the elevator as she selects the floor. That's why she was "rushing" him the way she was.

Now... I remember when a football player spat in the face of another player, how, "You don't do that!!" that was. He did it to this woman twice, then used it as an excuse to lay her out.

Here is what will anger me. Most TV networks, if not all, will likely decide to not air this new video. They will say people shouldn't watch it.

I disagree. People should watch that, especially those in Baltimore that will have the chance to cheer for this person and buy jerseys donning his name and number.

I think more people should watch it because it happens all the time, then the woman, for whatever reason, ends up defending the P.O.S. <--- that is the real problem that I don't think is being addressed.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 11:47 AM
Terrance Knighton @MrKnighton2u (https://twitter.com/MrKnighton2u)


Shaun O'Hara ‏@ShaunOHara60 (https://twitter.com/ShaunOHara60)


Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif

Good for them, I hope more players speak out on this. This turd needs to be flushed.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 12:24 PM
Dan Wetzel @DanWetzel
Text'ing with team officials around NFL, they predict Ravens will cut Ray Rice. "Have to." Not sure anyone would pick him up.

Or give him a raise. :kitten:

Travis Johnson ‏@trapj99 (https://twitter.com/trapj99)
Ray Rice wife must not have a daddy, cause if that was my child the Baltimore Ravens right now would be wearing a RR patch on their sleeve
:clap:

toronto
09-08-2014, 12:26 PM
Had he been cut yet? The longer this goes the worse their organization looks. It's not a hard decision. Be human, not football oriented. Your own fan base will not be mad if you cut him. If anything they want it.

Troy Chapman
09-08-2014, 12:51 PM
Had he been cut yet? The longer this goes the worse their organization looks. It's not a hard decision. Be human, not football oriented. Your own fan base will not be mad if you cut him. If anything they want it.

Not but latest reports are Baltimore will likely release him...which needs to be done in my opinion.

This is such a bad situation for both the NFL and Baltimore organization. I find it very hard to believe that the NFL could not get ahold of this tape, but yet TMZ could.

So, either the NFL saw the tape and is denying it. If it comes out later, that they did see the tape...then the owners really need to think about firing Goodell. If the NFL didn't see it, that is amazing. But reports also say that Ray Rice gave full details to the organization and the NFL about what happened. If Rice was truthful, then the NFL and Baltimore should be ashamed for retaining this player. If Rice lied about the details (assuming the NFL and Baltimore didn't see the tape), then Rice should be released and banned from the league.

All parties handled this so bad, and the hole is getting deep. There is no way to come out looking good for the NFL or Baltimore.

eriadoc
09-08-2014, 12:58 PM
I haven't been this pissed over someone getting to play their sport since Todd Bertuzzi broke Steve Moore's neck on the ice, and got to play the following year.

I probably agree, but I have no idea who those people are. :kitten:

toronto
09-08-2014, 01:08 PM
I probably agree, but I have no idea who those people are. :kitten:

Lol.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kFVvLQU_cMo

eriadoc
09-08-2014, 01:16 PM
Lol.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kFVvLQU_cMo

I watched the first couple minutes, but you know .... hockey.

chicagotexan2
09-08-2014, 01:17 PM
Oh my God, that was brutal. Rice is a scumbag. I am not blaming the woman, but how can she take a beating like that and stay with this animal? I pretty sure the answer is money so I hope she can afford a good cosmetic surgeon and dentist because chances are she's gonna need them in the future.

Mr teX
09-08-2014, 01:24 PM
I cringe any time i see a woman get hit by a man like that......didn't even want to see the video but someone posted it in this thread & I saw the little clip of it accidentally...yeah, thanks to whatever a-hole did that...

This guy is absolutely done in this league......Its a shame too b/c not only was he pretty good, this was his 1st offense...of anything.

klockWork
09-08-2014, 01:25 PM
Not trying to defend Godell, but I think the way the NFL had handle this has a lot to do with Ray's wife. They figured, hey if she's so quick to forgiving him and also putting the blame on herself then maybe this man isn't such a bad case.

eriadoc
09-08-2014, 01:37 PM
This guy is absolutely done in this league......

Oh, you're not familiar with people, huh? Well, be prepared to lose all faith in humanity then, because just as sure as the sun rises, Ray Rice is not done in the NFL. I'll be mildly surprised if the Ravens cut him, and then downright shocked if he's not playing in the NFL next season at the latest.

htownfan32
09-08-2014, 01:38 PM
This gets 2 games, while pot gets a season.

F*** Goodell and F*** the league administration. Get your damn priorities straight. Kick this piece of turd out of the league.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 01:45 PM
...Ray Rice is not done in the NFL. I'll be mildly surprised if the Ravens cut him...Same here, would be surprising.


Wade Smith ‏@Smitty74allday (https://twitter.com/Smitty74allday)
I just saw the Ray Rice video smdh... As a man, I have no respect for him any longer. NONE. I don't see how any man could.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2014, 01:52 PM
Dan Wetzel @DanWetzel


Or give him a raise. :kitten:

[INDENT]Travis (https://twitter.com/trapj99)
Johnson ‏@trapj99
Ray Rice wife must not have a daddy, cause if that was my child the Baltimore Ravens right now would be wearing a RR patch on their sleeve
:clap:

Or maybe not.........

http://cynthiashepp.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/pucuda-leading-edge-caveman-drag.jpg

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 02:01 PM
Oh, you're not familiar with people, huh? Well, be prepared to lose all faith in humanity then, because just as sure as the sun rises, Ray Rice is not done in the NFL. I'll be mildly surprised if the Ravens cut him, and then downright shocked if he's not playing in the NFL next season at the latest.

"Talent over trouble" usually wins, but I don't think it will at his position. His position is already a devalued position and a position that has a short life shelf with a abundance of talent flooding the league year after year.

Since the position that he plays is so cheaply rated, I doubt a team wants to be "the team" that signed a P.O.S. woman beater. I mean, we're not talking about a dog fighting QB here. As bad as the dog fighting was, it wasn't KOing your woman in the middle of a elevator... and again we're talking about a RB, not a QB.

Ray Rice is done. What a idiot that guy is, I hope he doesn't piss away the fortune he's made.

The Pencil Neck
09-08-2014, 02:04 PM
I just saw the video a few minutes on NFLN.

:mariopalm:

Guy's gotta go. Lifetime ban, blacklisted, whatever.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 02:15 PM
From: Peter King, editor-in-chief, The MMQB (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-nfl-domestic-violence-video-peter-king/)

An addendum to the Ray Rice coverage:

Earlier this summer a source I trusted told me he assumed the NFL had seen the damaging video that was released by TMZ on Monday morning of Rice slugging his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City elevator. The source said league officials had to have seen it. This source has been impeccable, and I believed the information. So I wrote that the league had seen the tape. I should have called the NFL for a comment, a lapse in reporting on my part. The league says it has not seen the tape, and I cannot refute that with certainty. No one from the league has ever knocked down my report to me, and so I was surprised to see the claim today that league officials have not seen the tape.

I hope when this story is fully vetted, we all get the truth and nothing but the truth.

I don't for one second believe that.

PapaL
09-08-2014, 02:17 PM
From: Peter King, editor-in-chief, The MMQB (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-nfl-domestic-violence-video-peter-king/)


I don't for one second believe that.

Sounds like Peter King is dancing. He's nervous. Adam Schefter is going all out against the NFL on this.

http://deadspin.com/adam-schefter-is-fed-up-with-the-nfl-1631937239

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 02:20 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
The #Ravens announce they have cut RB Ray Rice.

PapaL
09-08-2014, 02:21 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 36s

Big news from @mortreport: Ray Rice released. Finished with Baltimore.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 02:21 PM
And here's the happiest man in the NFL...

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4ce5506eccd1d5b824050000-480/daniel-snyder-washington-redskins.jpg
"Way to take the heat off me Ray!?

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 02:22 PM
Nobody is going to pick him up.......he's too toxic.

Take the Maurice Clerrett route and be a public speaker somewhere and have your own E:30 special somewhere coward.

jaayteetx
09-08-2014, 02:26 PM
FWIW, I called the Texans and let them know how disgusted I was with the penalty handed down. Hope more follow suit.

HOU-TEX
09-08-2014, 02:31 PM
I will despise any team that picks this POS up.

toronto
09-08-2014, 02:35 PM
Good on the Ravens for cutting him before any press conferences tonight.

At least one thing was done correctly in this whole nightmare.

I can't say for a fact, but I think Peter King was in incredibly invested in his source, and now that the video has shown his source to be either (a) lying or (b) unreliable.

He needs to sort that out for his own company, as his reputation is everything to him.

Schefter is pissed because he was lied to right to his face. I also think he has legit morals, and this has stunned and angered the living hell out of him.

These are guesses and need more, but I gotta cook dinner

toronto
09-08-2014, 02:38 PM
I will despise any team that picks this POS up.

What angers me is it will happen. Remember Lawrence Phillips? How many teams gave him a shot after his violent past? I might add he's in jail now.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2014, 02:41 PM
From: Peter King, editor-in-chief, The MMQB (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-nfl-domestic-violence-video-peter-king/)


I don't for one second believe that.

Neither do I......for less than a second.:pissed:

jaayteetx
09-08-2014, 02:42 PM
Good on the Ravens for cutting him before any press conferences tonight.

At least one thing was done correctly in this whole nightmare.

I can't say for a fact, but I think Peter King was in incredibly invested in his source, and now that the video has shown his source to be either (a) lying or (b) unreliable.

He needs to sort that out for his own company, as his reputation is everything to him.

Schefter is pissed because he was lied to right to his face. I also think he has legit morals, and this has stunned and angered the living hell out of him.

These are guesses and need more, but I gotta cook dinner

Good on the Ravens? My guess is the Ravens knew all along and was hoping this would blow over. Knowing it wouldn't, they were forced to do what they should've done as soon as they found out, cut his sorry ass.

Porky
09-08-2014, 02:50 PM
Lol they got caught so now they release him. POS needs to be slapped upside the head a few dozen times.

Meanwhile, somewhere in NY a dog killer is playing QB and earning millions.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 02:51 PM
Greg Aiello ‏@gregaiello
Roger Goodell has announced that based on new video evidence that became available today he has indefinitely suspended Ray Rice.
Just in time. http://www.skagenboats.com/skagenforum/images/smilies/neutral.png

http://willowhousechronicles.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/outczarina.jpg

toronto
09-08-2014, 02:56 PM
Good on the Ravens? My guess is the Ravens knew all along and was hoping this would blow over. Knowing it wouldn't, they were forced to do what they should've done as soon as they found out, cut his sorry ass.

Don't for a second think I believe that franchise has halos on it. Just think they did right today, and today only.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2014, 02:57 PM
Greg Aiello ‏@gregaiello

Just in time. http://www.skagenboats.com/skagenforum/images/smilies/neutral.png

http://willowhousechronicles.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/outczarina.jpg

Looks like the League will continue to lie about seeing the video prior to their decision. They need this to justify their lie.

Vance87
09-08-2014, 02:58 PM
Video breakdown:

They go in the elevator, he says something to her, she hits him in the face.

Rice puts up a hand to defend himself, and walks backwards.

She approaches him to (possibly) hit him again, he knocks her out.

That's the video. Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what the video shows.

PapaL
09-08-2014, 03:00 PM
Video breakdown:

They go in the elevator, he says something to her, she hits him in the face.

Rice puts up a hand to defend himself, and walks backwards.

She approaches him to (possibly) hit him again, he knocks her out.

That's the video. Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what the video shows.

You missed the part where he spits in her face as they're walking to the elevator and she swipes at him. You also missed when she was selecting the floor and he walks up and spits in her face a second time. Make your judgement off the entire clip.

DBCooper
09-08-2014, 03:00 PM
So, let me get this straight.......

The league knew he knocked out his fiancée and was awarded a 2 game suspension.

Then they see footage (or the rest of us got to see it) of him knocking her out he gets released and is suspended indefinitely?

But a man enjoying some mangoes gets a year?

Goodell needs to go.

HOU-TEX
09-08-2014, 03:10 PM
What angers me is it will happen. Remember Lawrence Phillips? How many teams gave him a shot after his violent past? I might add he's in jail now.

Yup.

I did the same with the Bengals when they hired PacMan. They can kiss my ass. Goodell too. He's the dipshit that kept reinstating the guy after 6-7 situations.

I was on Goodells side when he initially began these harsher (is that a word?) punishments, but it's obvious to me there was never a set guideline to the conduct policy. It's basically how he feels that day, I reckon

bah007
09-08-2014, 03:18 PM
So, let me get this straight.......

The league knew he knocked out his fiancée and was awarded a 2 game suspension.

Then they see footage (or the rest of us got to see it) of him knocking her out he gets released and is suspended indefinitely?

But a man enjoying some mangoes gets a year?

Goodell needs to go.

Basically the lesson here is that you can commit a violent crime and only get a slap on the wrist from the NFL.

But if the crime is captured on camera you are done.

What exactly did people think happened in that elevator? Why is what he did so much worse now than it was before? I didn't see anything in that video that I didn't expect to see.

The guy is trash. Pure and simple. Don't feel sorry for him at all. But this whole uproar today is pretty funny, considering everybody had to have already known exactly what happened.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 03:20 PM
Video breakdown:

They go in the elevator, he says something to her, she hits him in the face.

Rice puts up a hand to defend himself, and walks backwards.

She approaches him to (possibly) hit him again, he knocks her out.

That's the video. Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what the video shows.


Okay.. Your breakdown description of the video:

That's not what happened at all

and even if it went down like that (which it didn't)

I don't really give a crap, because even if things went down the way you described they did,

it still doesn't give that loser P.O.S. a excuse to do what he did.

Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what I thought after watching the video.

robroy72
09-08-2014, 03:21 PM
What exactly did people think happened in that elevator? Why is what he did so much worse now than it was before? I didn't see anything in that video that I didn't expect to see.

The guy is trash. Pure and simple. Don't feel sorry for him at all. But this whole uproar today is pretty funny, considering everybody had to have already known exactly what happened.

Exactly. The uproar is astounding!

Vance87
09-08-2014, 03:25 PM
Okay.. Your breakdown description:

That's not what happened at all

and even if it went down like that (which it didn't)

I don't really give a crap, because

it still doesn't give that loser a excuse to do what he did.

Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what I thought after watching the video.

How did it not? Apparently he spit on her, that's hard to tell in the video. Mind you this is the only clip I've seen of it. Everything I posted was literally second for second what happened. If you have some sort of additional info, I have not read it.

Mr teX
09-08-2014, 03:25 PM
People are getting on Goodell..but he's just the guy the owners hired...He's at their mercy for the most part. I'm sure none of them wouldn't have had an issue with Goodell hitting him with a season long suspension from the jump...but none of them came out and objected to the tiny 2 game suspension he gave him either.

Furthermore, if i have this right the initial punishment Gooddell handed out was negotiated by the player's association as an infraction type thing. Even if he wanted to ban the guy for life he couldn't have done it based on his history and the fact that there was nothing on the books for handling this specific kind of stuff....which is why this domestic abuse policy came to fruition in the 1st place.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 03:30 PM
Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel
Because Ray Rice's contract was so front loaded, it turned out to be a two-year, $25M deal.

Mr teX
09-08-2014, 03:32 PM
Basically the lesson here is that you can commit a violent crime and only get a slap on the wrist from the NFL.

But if the crime is captured on camera you are done.

What exactly did people think happened in that elevator? Why is what he did so much worse now than it was before? I didn't see anything in that video that I didn't expect to see.

The guy is trash. Pure and simple. Don't feel sorry for him at all. But this whole uproar today is pretty funny, considering everybody had to have already known exactly what happened.

This is my thing...Despite how bad the initial video looked, I reserved judgement on him b/c we didn't know what happened in there at the time. Certainly what actually did happen in there was a possibility, but for those of us that have been put in situations where defending yourself against a woman was justifiable, there were other possibilities too.

So when this 2nd video came out, i wasn't exactly shocked or outraged even more, it just confirmed that he was indeed a P.O.S.

TexansSeminole
09-08-2014, 03:35 PM
This is my thing...Despite how bad the initial video looked, I reserved judgement on him b/c we didn't know what happened in there at the time. Certainly what actually did happen in there was a possibility, but for those of us that have been put in situations where defending yourself against a woman was justifiable, there were other possibilities too.

So when this 2nd video came out, i wasn't exactly shocked or outraged even more, it just confirmed that he was indeed a P.O.S.

What did you expect, she had him at knife point? He's a pro-football player, in what situation is hand to hand combat with a woman justifiable?

b0ng
09-08-2014, 03:38 PM
http://prod-mr-user.storage.googleapis.com/assets/user_ravens_tsuggs55_highsteps_1410203915.339073/400x286/ravens_tsuggs55_highsteps.gif?v=cb20a8d43d

Mr teX
09-08-2014, 03:40 PM
What did you expect, she had him at knife point? He's a pro-football player, in what situation is hand to hand combat with a woman justifiable?


The type of situation you describe....or some Solange Knowles type ish...The point is reserve judgement until the facts or more damning evidence comes out....Kind of an important principle here in this nation.... this innocent until proven guilty thing....our justice system is kinda based on it.

TexansSeminole
09-08-2014, 03:42 PM
The type of situation you describe....or some Solange Knowles type ish...The point is reserve judgement until the facts or more damning evidence comes out....Kind of an important principle here in this nation.... this innocent until proven guilty thing....our justice system is kinda based on it.

Jay Z seemed to do fine without striking Solange.

Did Ray Rice not admit to striking her? Is that not enough evidence?

Mr teX
09-08-2014, 03:46 PM
Jay Z seemed to do fine without striking Solange.

You mean this same Jay-Z?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQPPno6PmA

Besides, Jay had people between him...plus the sister of the chick assaulting him is standing right next to him & he has to go home with her at the end of the day....who knows how he might react if he's in there by himself with her.

TheIronDuke
09-08-2014, 03:59 PM
I saw the TMZ clip released. The 30 second one.

I didn't JUDGE ANYTHING DID I? DID I JUDGE ANYTHING? NO. So shut the **** up.

Calm down Ray!

thunderkyss
09-08-2014, 04:03 PM
Jay Z seemed to do fine without striking Solange.

Did Ray Rice not admit to striking her? Is that not enough evidence?

I think Jay-Z would have been justified with a push, to get her off of him. I think Jay-Z would have been justified with extending his arm to keep her at arms length. I could see Jay-Z bobbing & weaving & throwing little love taps just to toy with her & make her more upset.

While doing all that, I can see her slipping, getting accidentally pushed into the handrail & getting knocked out that way.

I definitely did not expect to see him spit on her twice, throw that left cross, then treat her like garbage.

Call me naive, but I'm totally shocked.

kingtexan
09-08-2014, 04:04 PM
Rice cut and perma-banned for being a coward .. good.

Goodell still having a job is a joke.

BullNation4Life
09-08-2014, 04:04 PM
saddest thing in all of this....

she is still with him....doesn't have the common sense to see he is a bad man and will probably do it again....

I'm no lawyer but I would bet that the reason he isn't behind bars right now is because SHE won't press the charges needed....


"He hit me and knocked me out!" "Don't take him away...I love him!"

so sad...

toronto
09-08-2014, 04:04 PM
I really think Goodell is in deep shit over this. To have guys like Schefter this enraged suggests they were lied to by him, and they have completely turned on him.

cdollaz
09-08-2014, 04:09 PM
http://prod-mr-user.storage.googleapis.com/assets/user_ravens_tsuggs55_highsteps_1410203915.339073/400x286/ravens_tsuggs55_highsteps.gif?v=cb20a8d43d

Not Ray Rice.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 04:12 PM
How did it not? Apparently he spit on her, that's hard to tell in the video. Mind you this is the only clip I've seen of it. Everything I posted was literally second for second what happened. If you have some sort of additional info, I have not read it.

How about the info where in every line that you typed in your description or what you saw, you painted Ray Rice as a victim?

They go in the elevator, he says something to her, she hits him in the face.

Rice puts up a hand to defend himself, and walks backwards.

She approaches him to (possibly) hit him again, he knocks her out.

That's the video. Make your own judgements from there, but that's exactly what the video shows.

When you watch that video who the heck looks like the victim? Yes women might get testy/pissed and get in your face.. they do that from time to time, but be a freaking man and deal with it.. it doesn't mean you have a license to punch them the F out.

To be honest I don't really give a crap what the hell happened or didn't happen.. nowhere in this video did I ever see any action that this woman performed that would excuse the abuse that took place afterwards. Cowards and poor bastards with limp ****s react the way Ray Rice did. I'll leave it up to him to decide which of the two categories he belongs in.

klockWork
09-08-2014, 04:13 PM
I have no doubt the NFL knew about this video. A billion dollar company like this not going out of their way to gather all information like this? Please. They tried to keep this under the rug not wanting to let the world know an assault nut had worn their NFL logos.

thunderkyss
09-08-2014, 04:14 PM
saddest thing in all of this....

she is still with him....doesn't have the common sense to see he is a bad man and will probably do it again....

I'm no lawyer but I would bet that the reason he isn't behind bars right now is because SHE won't press the charges needed....


"He hit me and knocked me out!" "Don't take him away...I love him!"

so sad...

She probably needs to serve six months before she can take

http://www.doseoffunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/eddie-murphy-joke-half.jpg

infantrycak
09-08-2014, 04:15 PM
I have no doubt the NFL knew about this video. A billion dollar company like this not going out of their way to gather all information like this? Please. They tried to keep this under the rug not wanting to let the world know an assault nut had worn their NFL logos.

I would think its safe to assume the NFL knew of the video. Now whether the venue would hand it over to them is a different matter.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 04:17 PM
Goodell still having a job is a joke.

Agree... and it isn't because of this case. This case is just the straw that broke the camels back.. He needs to step down. He's young and not near death/retirement and he's already pissed everybody off and worn out his welcome.

The1ApplePie
09-08-2014, 04:25 PM
Agree... and it isn't because of this case. This case is just the straw that broke the camels back.. He needs to step down. He's young and not near death/retirement and he's already pissed everybody off and worn out his welcome.

The owners love him, so he will stay.

Turn on sports radio today and be blown away by the Ray Rice apologists that call in, at least to local shows

Dan B.
09-08-2014, 04:33 PM
The owners love him, so he will stay.

Turn on sports radio today and be blown away by the Ray Rice apologists that call in, at least to local shows

Honestly it doesn't surprise me. Were you here during the Warren Moon years?

mattieuk
09-08-2014, 04:41 PM
Wow - Ravens cut him and re-suspended by the NFL.

What a freaking mess.

eriadoc
09-08-2014, 04:58 PM
Goodell suspended him for two games. No new information came out other than this video, and he changed it to indefinitely. So either he was hoping the video wouldn't come out and he could get away with sweeping this under the rug, or he never actually saw the video and believed some mitigated version of events that Mr. and Mrs. Rice told him. Either way, he's incompetent and needs to go. There's no excuse to have not seen that video before today if you're Goodell.

b0ng
09-08-2014, 05:01 PM
Not Ray Rice.

Agreed. He's unfortunately, not available for the MaddenGIFerator.

DBCooper
09-08-2014, 05:03 PM
We need to start a "Fire Goodell" crusade.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 05:28 PM
Turn on sports radio today and be blown away by the Ray Rice apologists that call in, at least to local shows

Apparently those morons never witnessed it happen first hand.. they must just be worried about their FF teams.


I don't care if his story is true and she did spit on him (women do crazy things). I don't care if she came at him or even swung on him.. (again sometimes women flip the hell out). Under no circumstances does that ever give you the right to ever do what Ray Rice did in this video.. it's despicable and disgusting.

You're supposed to be a elite athlete.. a top tier athlete, and yet your first reaction towards a argument with a woman is to knock the shit out of your woman? Sorry, but that makes you nothing, but a dickless coward in my book. I bet he really felt like a man and felt like he really accomplished something as he stood over her body too. What a piece of crap. He'll get his (too many people grew up with mothers and sisters), just wait, instant karma is a mother ......

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 05:39 PM
Greg Bailey ‏@GregBailey13
This is the #NFLs problem in a neat bow: Ray Lewis on @ESPN lecturing Ray Rice on ethics.

http://www.bilerico.com/images/jesus-facepalm-2.png

Pollardized
09-08-2014, 05:41 PM
damn, if my wife cost me my multimillion dollar job i'd beat her ass.

oh, wait a sec...

Kaiser Toro
09-08-2014, 05:43 PM
The Harbaugh brothers' shine is losing some luster.

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 05:46 PM
We need to start a "Fire Goodell" crusade.

Well normally all you had to do in order to get somewhat fired was cause the Cowboys to lose in embarrassing fashion, but I guess that's now out of fashion also.

Pollardized
09-08-2014, 05:50 PM
The Harbaugh brothers' shine is losing some luster.

Because John was whipping that girl's ass too?

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 05:51 PM
We need to start a "Fire Goodell" crusade.

Break out the pink soap!!!

Who does those???

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 05:51 PM
damn, if my wife cost me my multimillion dollar job i'd beat her ass.

oh, wait a sec...

lol

houstonspartan
09-08-2014, 06:11 PM
As a buddy pointed out, he's lucky he didn't kill her the way she fell and hit the railing in the elevator.

This dude is just vile.

Marshall
09-08-2014, 06:34 PM
I will not pile on when others are doing so much moralizing on this issue. But I do have an issue with many of those piling on.

Why is a man hitting a woman, bad as that is, somehow unacceptable while a man hitting a man, a woman hitting a man or a woman hitting a woman any less acceptable? But at least half go out of their way to mention him, a man, hitting a woman as unacceptable implying the other violence is somehow acceptable.

Just my thoughts on a 24 hour news cycle where everyone gets to express moral outrage at someone elses act while ignoring their own outrageous acts.

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 06:40 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/ray-lewis-there-is-no-comparison-between-me-and-ray-rice/

“There’s no comparison,” Ray Lewis said. “There is no comparison between me and Ray Rice. It’s night and day.”

Comments: “I finished the job,” Ray Lewis.

Kaiser Toro
09-08-2014, 06:47 PM
Just my thoughts on a 24 hour news cycle where everyone gets to express moral outrage at someone elses act while ignoring their own outrageous acts.

What are your outrageous acts?

Byrds Man
09-08-2014, 06:52 PM
We all know how this is going to play out:
He'll sit out the year, he'll go cry on Oprah and say he's really sorry, he'll get reinstated and end up with the Patriots.

Marshall
09-08-2014, 07:19 PM
What are your outrageous acts?

Thinking I was more just than God.

Kaiser Toro
09-08-2014, 07:31 PM
Thinking I was more just than God.

I trust TMZ does not have footage of your ambitious behavior.

gtexan02
09-08-2014, 07:57 PM
If TMZ could get the video, you better believe the multi-billion dollar NFL could get the video.

I believed Ray Rice's apology. Then I saw the video. It wasn't what he did, it's what he didn't do. He didn't show any surprise, any sadness, any regret. I'm supposed to believe this is the worst thing that he ever did in his life (as per his apology) and yet after he did it he casually stands over her and doesn't so much as check to see if she's ok?
Disgusting.

I'm actually relieved he was cut/banned for life. Good riddance

Kaiser Toro
09-08-2014, 08:00 PM
I'm actually relieved he was cut/banned for life. Good riddance

Would you be so kind to share a source on the life time ban for Rice.

2012Champs
09-08-2014, 08:42 PM
If TMZ could get the video, you better believe the multi-billion dollar NFL could get the video.

I believed Ray Rice's apology. Then I saw the video. It wasn't what he did, it's what he didn't do. He didn't show any surprise, any sadness, any regret. I'm supposed to believe this is the worst thing that he ever did in his life (as per his apology) and yet after he did it he casually stands over her and doesn't so much as check to see if she's ok?
Disgusting.

I'm actually relieved he was cut/banned for life. Good riddance


Was the nfl going to pay for the video? I'm sure tmz paid a nice amount to get it

Carr Bombed
09-08-2014, 08:52 PM
I will not pile on when others are doing so much moralizing on this issue. But I do have an issue with many of those piling on.

Why is a man hitting a woman, bad as that is, somehow unacceptable while a man hitting a man, a woman hitting a man or a woman hitting a woman any less acceptable?

Seriously..?

You have got to be shitting me... :mariopalm: gee I wonder why others are "pilling on"?

LOL, Do you really not see the difference and can't differentiate between the power of sexes? should I now explain the birds and the bees to you also... My God. You really can't see the difference or understand the outrage can you?

RazorOye
09-08-2014, 08:52 PM
If TMZ could get the video, you better believe the multi-billion dollar NFL could get the video.


I don't believe for one second that the NFL didn't see the video (and by "NFL" I mean someone of consequence, if not the Commissioner himself).

Someone is Lying about whether the NFL saw the Ray Rice Tape (http://deadspin.com/someone-is-lying-about-whether-the-nfl-saw-the-ray-rice-1631901404)

They certainly could have gotten the video. And because they easily could have, I find it hard to believe they didn't, considering the nature of the act and accusation.

This is the latest (and biggest) blow to an office and commissioner that Bill Simmons took to task just a few days ago, in a Grantland piece that's somewhat prophetic considering what's happened in the last day:

The League that Never Sleeps (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-the-league-that-never-takes-a-break/)

That leaves 22 NFL weeks that shouldn’t matter at all, right?

Not on Roger Goodell’s watch! His league just made professional sports history by dominating headlines, day in and day out, for 52 straight weeks. Sure, most of those stories were unflattering, perplexing, embarrassing, inappropriate or downright disturbing. Did Goodell even care? The league treated 2014’s offseason the same way a celebrity might behave after his PR person tells him, “Just remember, any publicity is good publicity.” As weird as this sounds, it kinda sorta worked. We talked about the NFL the entire time.

And somehow, Goodell escaped the spring and summer relatively unscathed, save for anyone still seething about his Earnest Byner–level fumbling of Ray Rice’s situation. The commish needed five months to determine a verdict, then bungled that verdict so gravely that he (a) improbably offended every single type of football fan (especially female fans), (b) had to send team owners an after-the-verdict letter to apologize for screwing up the first verdict, and (c) speed-rushed a harsher domestic violence policy that’s loaded with easy-to-exploit loopholes.

When Keith Olbermann called for him to resign afterward, nobody even blinked. We’re just used to Goodell now. I wouldn’t call him a bad person, or a malicious one — just someone who seems overmatched AND stubborn. That’s a toxic combination...

When you remember how terribly Goodell botched 2012’s referee strike or the Saints’ bounty scandal (remember, his old boss came back to clean it up!), it’s frightening to imagine how Goodell would have handled something infinitely more complicated like, say, the NBA’s recent Donald Sterling quagmire. Even when Goodell belatedly tries to do the “right” thing — abruptly changing the league’s on-field violence penalties in 2010 without giving the players enough time to adjust, sacrificing the 2012 Saints as his scapegoat in a misguided attempt to prove that the league was getting safer, blowing this summer’s aforementioned Ray Rice fiasco, or waiting nearly six months to announce this week’s inevitably controversial Jim Irsay suspension — Goodell always seems to be reacting instead of acting. Not the most flattering trait for the leader of America’s biggest sport.



At this point, I wonder if there will be anything concrete about the NFL's possible (likely?) awareness of the tape's contents and, if so, what the repercussions will be.

I've long thought he was a PR-driven slimeball, style over substance and perception over reality. This has only cemented that bias.

infantrycak
09-08-2014, 08:58 PM
Not sure why people think the NFL could easily gotten the video. It was a private entity's property and one which probably gets asked all the time and may very well have a policy against handing them out. I asked at a bank one time when my truck was broken into and they said no.

thunderkyss
09-08-2014, 09:26 PM
If TMZ could get the video, you better believe the multi-billion dollar NFL could get the video.


I already think the NFL is going a little too far... this was a criminal matter. a civil matter, not an NFL matter. If you or I were caught on video doing the exact same thing, we'd still be employed. I know my company wouldn't even suggest anger management or anything.

I don't feel sorry for Ray Rice, & I'm not defending him in anyway, only the way the NFL has gotten itself in the middle of it. They decided to put themselves out there as the "moral police" & that's fine. They've got a big stage & maybe some responsibility.

But I don't expect them to do the work that detectives, law enforcement, & reporters are supposed to do & get to the truth. They acted on the information they had, then went on about their business of football.

I have no problem with that.

When new information came out, they acted again, & are now trying to get on about their business of football.

I have no problem with that.

Lucky
09-08-2014, 09:36 PM
What exactly did people think happened in that elevator? Why is what he did so much worse now than it was before? I didn't see anything in that video that I didn't expect to see.
Thats what ive been thinking all day. I just saw the video and was not surprised. He knocked her out and admitted it. I doubt it was his first time, either. I guess if you're not on tape committing the crime, it's not that bad?

gtexan02
09-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Would you be so kind to share a source on the life time ban for Rice.

Is this a passive way of saying something? Just curious. I don't have any sources that you don't have. Im just assuming that "indefinite" means "forever" because reinstating him would be a PR disaster

Not sure why people think the NFL could easily gotten the video. It was a private entity's property and one which probably gets asked all the time and may very well have a policy against handing them out. I asked at a bank one time when my truck was broken into and they said no.
For one, TMZ says they have proof that the NFL knew the video existed and could get their hands on it but chose not to. And will share it tomorrow.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

I already think the NFL is going a little too far... this was a criminal matter. a civil matter, not an NFL matter. If you or I were caught on video doing the exact same thing, we'd still be employed. I know my company wouldn't even suggest anger management or anything.


Are you kidding me? I would be fired as soon as it was public. Maybe before. The higher profile your job, the more likely that you will be fired for public misconduct. Entertainment is the highest profile there is, but there are a lot of people making less than $3m that would still be fired so quickly their head would spin for breaking the law like this in this way. Honestly, I would probably resign in shame

Showtime100
09-08-2014, 09:43 PM
Break out the pink soap!!!

Who does those???

He's in the hospital. His girlfriend just beat the hell out of him to show him what would happen if he ever took a swing at her. :barman:

Playoffs
09-08-2014, 09:52 PM
Not sure why people think the NFL could easily gotten the video...

Sounds like the Ravens could've insisted: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/ravens-nfl-easily-could-have-gotten-ray-rice-video/

DBCooper
09-08-2014, 10:27 PM
It doesn't matter if the NFL saw the video or not.

They knew he knocked her out.

They did their "due process" and slapped the guy with a 2 game suspension.

Nothing has changed other than everyone has gotten to see what everyone already knew.

Why has he been suspended? Nothing has changed.

Goodell is a joke.

CloakNNNdagger
09-08-2014, 10:39 PM
She probably needs to serve six months before she can take

http://www.doseoffunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/eddie-murphy-joke-half.jpg

One of the funniest routines he's ever done (a big thanks to Johnny Carson).:gamer:

Marshall
09-08-2014, 10:41 PM
Seriously..?

You have got to be shitting me... :mariopalm: gee I wonder why others are "pilling on"?

LOL, Do you really not see the difference and can't differentiate between the power of sexes? should I now explain the birds and the bees to you also... My God. You really can't see the difference or understand the outrage can you?

I see evil in all circumstances, I am surprised others do not.

ObsiWan
09-08-2014, 10:55 PM
She probably needs to serve six months before she can take

http://www.doseoffunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/eddie-murphy-joke-half.jpg
She went ahead and married him after this incident. I wonder how long before she divorces him now that he has no job and very likely won't be able to get one
....anywhere.

toronto
09-08-2014, 11:43 PM
Not sure why people think the NFL could easily gotten the video. It was a private entity's property and one which probably gets asked all the time and may very well have a policy against handing them out. I asked at a bank one time when my truck was broken into and they said no.

TMZ will out this league tomorrow. I believe them more than I believe the NFL.

toronto
09-08-2014, 11:47 PM
I will not pile on when others are doing so much moralizing on this issue. But I do have an issue with many of those piling on.

Why is a man hitting a woman, bad as that is, somehow unacceptable while a man hitting a man, a woman hitting a man or a woman hitting a woman any less acceptable? But at least half go out of their way to mention him, a man, hitting a woman as unacceptable implying the other violence is somehow acceptable.

Just my thoughts on a 24 hour news cycle where everyone gets to express moral outrage at someone elses act while ignoring their own outrageous acts.

I don't beat my wife. If she struck me I still wouldn't. That's my moral compass. I like women and believe punching them in the face is worthy of outrage. The fact that his employer basically excused it until it was basically backed into a corner adds to this.

I don't need a bible or a higher power here. My own eyes, brain and ears will do just fine.

DBCooper
09-09-2014, 12:04 AM
I don't beat my wife. If she struck me I still wouldn't. That's my moral compass. I like women and believe punching them in the face is worthy of outrage. The fact that his employer basically excused it until it was basically backed into a corner adds to this.

I don't need a bible or a higher power here. My own eyes, brain and ears will do just fine.

You need Jesus H

b0ng
09-09-2014, 01:25 AM
The teams of this league routinely hire PI's who uncover information on potential draftees and players and the NFL hires ex-FBI for their security stuff. They saw this tape well before today and the press conference with Rice, his now wife, and lawyers and Ravens staff (where she apologized for her role in this incident) is now really disgusting in hindsight.

TexanExile
09-09-2014, 01:40 AM
If you or I were caught on video doing the exact same thing, we'd still be employed. I know my company wouldn't even suggest anger management or anything.


Disagree. If I were arrested on a domestic violence charge I would be fired. My company wouldn't suggest anger management; They would delete my building access codes and mail my last check. And good for them. I work for a public organization that depends on public support and we're rightly held to the standard of compliance with criminal law. Not a "higher" standard when you really think about it, but the standard of not being a felon.

The NFL is a private company, yes, but they're inherently dependent on public image. The majority of their money comes from TV and sponsorships. If their employees (or now maybe we have to say their Commissioner?) are doing something that harms the bottom line, that's neither civil nor criminal. It's business.

The NFL players don't need to be America's moral compass, but the NFL's employees (and management, Mr. Goodell) should at least be able to follow that compass. Don't commit felonies, and don't cover up for those who do. It's not complicated.

I am a diehard fan, but If Ray Rice were a Texan, I would have never watched or financially supported this team again until he was gone.

CloakNNNdagger
09-09-2014, 07:02 AM
This NFL picture becomes even more unbelievable!


TMZ says NFL never bothered to ask casino for video (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/tmz-says-nfl-never-bothered-to-ask-casino-for-video/)
Posted by Darin Gantt on September 9, 2014, 5:36 AM EDT

The organization which shared the Ray Rice punching his wife in the face video with the world said the NFL never asked for it.

TMZ wrote this morning that league officials never contacted the Revel Casino to request video footage they might have had, and that the casino “would have gladly complied” had they been asked.

Of course, as Florio mentioned last night, there were plenty of other ways to obtain the video which got Rice fired instantly and suspended indefinitely.

TMZ’s sources said that the casino made a copy of the elevator footage for police, and Rice’s lawyer has a copy along with TMZ. So there are at least three of them floating around.

The league insisted yesterday they had requested information from law enforcement officials, but didn’t see the tape until TMZ shared it with the world yesterday morning.

Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.

CloakNNNdagger
09-09-2014, 07:37 AM
Well, not unexpectedly, here comes the disgusting creation of a Goodell/NFL scapegoat.

From PFT:

he law enforcement agency handling the case.

“Security for Atlantic City casinos is handled by the New Jersey State Police,” the NFL said in a statement released to PFT. “Any videos related to an ongoing criminal investigation are held in the custody of the state police. As we said yesterday: We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. That video was not made available to us.”

While the fact that Rice was suspended only two games continues to be the best evidence that the NFL didn’t actually see the video, the latest statement from the league confirms that the persons with the job duties of gathering the information on behalf of the league failed.

Miserably.

DBCooper
09-09-2014, 07:48 AM
Well, not unexpectedly, here comes the disgusting creation of a Goodell/NFL scapegoat.

From PFT:

he law enforcement agency handling the case.

At this point, anything the NFL does or says is going to make Goodell look more like an idiot.

Playoffs
09-09-2014, 08:17 AM
Barring a credible explanation from the NFL, the only options at the moment seem to be willful ignorance or gross negligence, and neither is a particularly good look for the league right now.
Some guy in the league office named Will is about to get fired. :kitten:

Marshall
09-09-2014, 08:26 AM
Well, not unexpectedly, here comes the disgusting creation of a Goodell/NFL scapegoat.

From PFT:

he law enforcement agency handling the case.

Within this information, the answer lies. The NFL asked the Police for a copy. They said no. TMZ asked the Casino for a copy. They said yes.

There is no cover up, just a difference of sources.

EllisUnit
09-09-2014, 08:36 AM
All doubts now removed............nice going Goodell.



HERE IS THE VIDEO (http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/)

As reported by TMZ:

Wow what an idiot

handswarmer
09-09-2014, 08:54 AM
#1- Until the video came out, everything that was written about what happened in the elevator was speculation.

#2- Rice told the Ravens and the NFL that his wife attacked him, he shoved her to 'defend himself' and she hit her head knocking herself unconscious. The video shows different.

#3- The Ravens are/were prevented by the CBA from disciplining the player until the NFL adjudicated the case

#4- if the NFL said they asked for the tape and didn't get it but the Casino (which just went out of business) said they had it available for them, then that's not on the Ravens....that's on the NFL security team handling the case.

#5- I am deeply disappointed in Rice personally- no way a man hits a woman ever....(unless she has a weapon and its life threatening)

TexanExile
09-09-2014, 09:21 AM
#1- Until the video came out, everything that was written about what happened in the elevator was speculation.

#2- Rice told the Ravens and the NFL that his wife attacked him, he shoved her to 'defend himself' and she hit her head knocking herself unconscious. The video shows different.

#3- The Ravens are/were prevented by the CBA from disciplining the player until the NFL adjudicated the case

#4- if the NFL said they asked for the tape and didn't get it but the Casino (which just went out of business) said they had it available for them, then that's not on the Ravens....that's on the NFL security team handling the case.

#5- I am deeply disappointed in Rice personally- no way a man hits a woman ever....(unless she has a weapon and its life threatening)

As your hometown newspaper notes here (http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81303336/), that's not entirely accurate. You really don't think the guy's employer, the Ravens franchise, was just utterly weak and without the ability to gather any info on their own? Every franchise has a security team. Every franchise conducts background checks and hires investigators to check out their prospective free agents and draftees. It is not possible that they just quit doing that once these guys are signed. If the Ravens wanted to find out, they could have. They either knew (as Rice's attorney did because he had the full video) or deliberately didn't know.

No, they couldn't discipline him. But you know what they could do, at any point? Exactly what they just did. Cut him. They chose not to. As the Sun describes them:

"For all Mr. Harbaugh’s talk of character and family, the Ravens are a business. They supported Mr. Rice when they thought he still added value to the team. Now, no amount of on-field talent can make up for the revulsion Ravens fans will feel when they remember the sight of his left fist smashing into Ms. Palmer’s face. If team officials really hadn’t seen the video until Monday, their unwavering support for Mr. Rice was reckless, in that they had to assume that it would have come out eventually, and callous, in that they knew all the pertinent facts about what happened in the elevator without having seen it. Evidently the Ravens can stomach having a player who would knock a woman down and then treat her with all the care he would give to a sack of flour — just so long as the public doesn’t see it."

handswarmer
09-09-2014, 09:45 AM
As your hometown newspaper notes here (http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81303336/), that's not entirely accurate. You really don't think the guy's employer, the Ravens franchise, was just utterly weak and without the ability to gather any info on their own? Every franchise has a security team. Every franchise conducts background checks and hires investigators to check out their prospective free agents and draftees. It is not possible that they just quit doing that once these guys are signed. If the Ravens wanted to find out, they could have. They either knew (as Rice's attorney did because he had the full video) or deliberately didn't know.
The Ravens or any other franchise always defer to the NFL for investigations when they become public (as per my source a former NFL player rep) Yes each team has their own security team to investigate players.

If it were you, would you tell your lawyer to give the damning video to YOUR employer? I think not.

No, they couldn't discipline him. But you know what they could do, at any point? Exactly what they just did. Cut him. They chose not to. As the Sun describes them:

"For all Mr. Harbaugh’s talk of character and family, the Ravens are a business. They supported Mr. Rice when they thought he still added value to the team. Now, no amount of on-field talent can make up for the revulsion Ravens fans will feel when they remember the sight of his left fist smashing into Ms. Palmer’s face. If team officials really hadn’t seen the video until Monday, their unwavering support for Mr. Rice was reckless, in that they had to assume that it would have come out eventually, and callous, in that they knew all the pertinent facts about what happened in the elevator without having seen it. Evidently the Ravens can stomach having a player who would knock a woman down and then treat her with all the care he would give to a sack of flour — just so long as the public doesn’t see it."

Yes they supported him, at that point they had no reason to not believe Rice. There was no video image in their heads as to what he did- just speculation or imagination as to what he did.

In black and white though, the images were too much for anyone to bear.

21 teams out of 32 have players charged with Domestic Assault/Abuse right now- NONE have a damaging video tape to crucify them. What do you think happens to the other guys?

b0ng
09-09-2014, 09:45 AM
Anybody who really thinks the NFL or the Ravens did not see the video that made all the waves yesterday should listen to this radio broadcast of Daria and Mel that had an interview with Chris Mortensen here (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11267734)

“I think the expectations from around the league — even from the Ravens internally — was that it would be more than two games,” Mortensen answered. “We’ve all seen the TMZ video of Ray dragging [his fiancée] off an elevator. I’m told by numerous sources — or, a few good sources — that the video from inside the elevator, which we’ve never seen, shows Janay surely attacking Ray, so he’s in a confined area. But still, what they tell you to do, is get away from it or restrain. You can restrain her, but you can’t deliver a punch, an uppercut, which Ray allegedly did inside that elevator. I’m told that Janay hit her head on the railing. That would seem to justify a pretty severe sanction.”

It seems as though SOMEBODY saw the tape well before any of this stuff was leaked. Those details from Mortensen, especially the part about Janay (then) Palmer hitting her head on the rail seems especially damning because that is a big big detail that I think only people who saw it happen would know about.

handswarmer
09-09-2014, 09:47 AM
Anybody who really thinks the NFL or the Ravens did not see the video that made all the waves yesterday should listen to this radio broadcast of Daria and Mel that had an interview with Chris Mortensen here (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11267734)



It seems as though SOMEBODY saw the tape well before any of this stuff was leaked. Those details from Mortensen, especially the part about Janay (then) Palmer hitting her head on the rail seems especially damning because that is a big big detail that I think only people who saw it happen would know about.

That was the description that Ray Rice gave them....she attacked him, he 'defended' himself and she fell hitting her head...

b0ng
09-09-2014, 09:51 AM
That was the description that Ray Rice gave them....she attacked him, he 'defended' himself and she fell hitting her head...

shut up quit defending your terrible ass football team for trying to cover up a spouse abuser.

If you actually read what I posted instead of auto-responding like an idiot homer you would've seen that in the mortensen quote he is relaying what a SOURCE told him about the second video which popped up today.

How can you even defend a team that let rice, his wife and some lawyers get up in front of a mic and have janay rice apologize for her role in this when her role was basically getting knocked the **** out.

Go back to whatever ravens forum you slimed your way out of.

EDIT: LOL "defended" himself. Please. get the **** out.

handswarmer
09-09-2014, 09:59 AM
shut up quit defending your terrible ass football team for trying to cover up a spouse abuser. terrible ass football team? Two Super Bowls in 12 years, numerous playoff appearances? LOL What do you have? Covering up, I bet you'd l;ove to have due process play out if it was you being accused....

If you actually read what I posted instead of auto-responding like an idiot homer you would've seen that in the mortensen quote he is relaying what a SOURCE told him about the second video which popped up today. I read it- whoopee do, Mortenson has a Source. If you read what I wrote, the descry[tion that Mortenson gave is the exact one of what Ray Rice told the Commish and the Team. Reading comprehension is your friend.

How can you even defend a team that let rice, his wife and some lawyers get up in front of a mic and have janay rice apologize for her role in this when her role was basically getting knocked the **** out. I am not defending anyone- The TEam went by what they knew: you act as if they knew more. You cannot know that for certainty.

Go back to whatever ravens forum you slimed your way out of. man, don't get all butt hurt about me being here.

EDIT: LOL "defended" himself. Please. get the **** out. Um, I quoted the word because he allegedly "defended" himself.

I never once believe him to be innocent. I am intimately familiar with domestic abuse from a close friend and a family member. I bet 80% of the membership in here is also.

My problem is with all the mis-information that is floating around.

Mr teX
09-09-2014, 10:00 AM
Cris Carter on mike & mike this morning also made another good point about this whole mess. What happened on the casino floor that got this whole thing started? Casinos have cameras everywhere..so what i want to know is why hasn't that video surfaced? As Carter says, i doubt they were mad at each other before hand & still got all dressed up to go to the casino. It still doesn't mean he should've did what he did...but there's obviously more to what happened than just what everyone sees on the tape.

The domestic disputes I've witnessed and in some cases been apart of are rarely as one-sided as this one appears to be on video.

handswarmer
09-09-2014, 10:03 AM
Cris Carter on mike & mike this morning also made another good point about this whole mess. What happened on the casino floor that got this whole thing started? Casinos have cameras everywhere..so what i want to know is why hasn't that video surfaced? As Carter says, i doubt they were mad at each other before hand & still got all dressed up to go to the casino. It still doesn't mean he should've did what he did...but there's obviously more to what happened than just what everyone sees on the tape.

The domestic disputes I've witnessed and in some cases been apart of are rarely as one-sided as this one appears to be on video.

Alcohol is a great influence in Domestics.....

b0ng
09-09-2014, 10:03 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8kE6WJq.png?1

I recommend the rest of the posters here do the same

BigBull17
09-09-2014, 10:12 AM
This is the same franchise that has a statue of a man who killed somebody in front of their stadium. Does this story really surprise you?

To me it was very obvious that Rice has done this before due to his complete nonchalance toward his actions. I would understand if he had tried to detain her before hitting her. Or if he had hit her and then became scared and reacted in a concerned manner. Instead he drags her out of the elevator and dumps her on the floor like a heap of garbage.

TexansSeminole
09-09-2014, 10:21 AM
This is the same franchise that has a statue of a man who killed somebody in front of their stadium. Does this story really surprise you?

To me it was very obvious that Rice has done this before due to his complete nonchalance toward his actions. I would understand if he had tried to detain her before hitting her. Or if he had hit her and then became scared and reacted in a concerned manner. Instead he drags her out of the elevator and dumps her on the floor like a heap of garbage.

Dumped her head first onto the ground. Her face just smashes into the ground as he drops her. He actually dropped her nonchalantly in the elevator as well.

thunderkyss
09-09-2014, 10:43 AM
shut up quit defending your terrible ass football team for trying to cover up a spouse abuser.

If you actually read what I posted instead of auto-responding like an idiot homer you would've seen that in the mortensen quote he is relaying what a SOURCE told him about the second video which popped up today.


What you posted is exactly what he said. Ray Rice told the NFL & the Ravens he was defending himself. Meaning he pushed her or something else of that nature & she slipped, hitting her head on the rail, which knocked her out.

The NFL & the Ravens appear to have been fine with that. I'd be fine with that, if that's what happened.

However, he threw a Left Cross (they said upper cut), which would have been taken completely differently. If Ray Rice would have said, "She came at me, so I delivered an uppercut straight to her jaw." they would have handled it differently.

PapaL
09-09-2014, 10:52 AM
Of course he didn't mention spitting in her face twice. Anyone that spits in your face is not a friend. Life lessons.

infantrycak
09-09-2014, 11:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8kE6WJq.png?1

I recommend the rest of the posters here do the same

That's your option but you are letting emotion on this topic run away with you (and please knock off the insults). handswarmer has been a well behaved visiting fan who talks more football than most.

Folks generally need to simmer down a little. Lack of ability to control emotions and responses has more than a little to do with this thread's existence.

toronto
09-09-2014, 11:22 AM
I heard 2 things today that I feel deserve mentioning.

1) The NFL needs a lawyer as their commissioner. Goodell is not the right fit.

2) The NFL only reacted with outrage due to the outrage. Its sad but that simple.

DBCooper
09-09-2014, 11:23 AM
terrible ass football team? Two Super Bowls in 12 years, numerous playoff appearances? LOL What do you have? Covering up, I bet you'd l;ove to have due process play out if it was you being accused....



We don't have Kubiak anymore, that's something we don't have.

DBCooper
09-09-2014, 11:44 AM
I guess it's next man up, huh handswarmer?

Who is that Justin Forsett?

Have fun Raven fan, your franchise just got a cold left hook.

Double Barrel
09-09-2014, 11:50 AM
Greg Bailey ‏@GregBailey13

This is the #NFLs problem in a neat bow: Ray Lewis on @ESPN lecturing Ray Rice on ethics.

wow. Same mentality of electing China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia to the U.N. Human Rights Council.

Sounds legit. :ok:

Not sure why people think the NFL could easily gotten the video. It was a private entity's property and one which probably gets asked all the time and may very well have a policy against handing them out. I asked at a bank one time when my truck was broken into and they said no.

You'd think with all the conspiracy minded folks around here, someone would be more concerned about building 7.

I don't get the mentality that the NFL saw this video but was not willing to dish out punishment. It makes no sense. They are not going to risk the global brand for one player.

They, and the franchise, believed Ray Rice's wife and bought his lies. Yeah, egg on thier face now, but it is illogical to assume that they were not willing to throw the book at a player that was tarnishing the shield. I think it's Occam's razor: they were duped by the player and his wife, who was obvious trying to protect their income stream.

And fans...geesh. NFL fans forgave an accessory to double-homicide and a dog killer (among many, many other offenses). It is only a matter of time before these same fans believe Ray Rice's Oprah apology tour and public service messages and embrace him back to the league. It's what this country, through the media, likes to do. Tear down celebrities then accept them back. Lather, rinse, repeat.

DBCooper
09-09-2014, 11:59 AM
wow. Same mentality of electing China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia to the U.N. Human Rights Council.

Sounds legit. :ok:



You'd think with all the conspiracy minded folks around here, someone would be more concerned about building 7.

I don't get the mentality that the NFL saw this video but was not willing to dish out punishment. It makes no sense. They are not going to risk the global brand for one player.

They, and the franchise, believed Ray Rice's wife and bought his lies. Yeah, egg on thier face now, but it is illogical to assume that they were not willing to throw the book at a player that was tarnishing the shield. I think it's Occam's razor: they were duped by the player and his wife, who was obvious trying to protect their income stream.

And fans...geesh. NFL fans forgave an accessory to double-homicide and a dog killer (among many, many other offenses). It is only a matter of time before these same fans believe Ray Rice's Oprah apology tour and public service messages and embrace him back to the league. It's what this country, through the media, likes to do. Tear down celebrities then accept them back. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Whatever the truth may be, I hope this brings down Goodell.

PapaL
09-09-2014, 12:13 PM
LoL - Rice is being removed from Madden 15; LINK (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/9/6126547/ray-rice-suspension-madden-15-ea-sports)



EA Sports is expected to remove former-Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice from Madden 15, according to Mike Garafolo of Fox Sports.

Citing sources, Garafolo tweeted that EA Sports will remove Rice from the Ravens' roster and will not make him available in free agent pools. The change will be made via the next round of tuning updates, which are used to adjust discrepancies in game-play and update rosters.

The last tuning update came on Sept. 5 in preparation of the NFL's first week of games. Updates included the final 53-man rosters and an adjustment to pass rush tuning.

...

EA Sports has not yet make an announcement about the decision and has yet to respond to inquiries for content.

toronto
09-09-2014, 12:18 PM
I read it- whoopee do, Mortenson has a Source. If you read what I wrote, the descry[tion that Mortenson gave is the exact one of what Ray Rice told the Commish and the Team. Reading comprehension is your friend.

I am not defending anyone- The TEam went by what they knew: you act as if they knew more. You cannot know that for certainty.

My problem is with all the mis-information that is floating around.

I've left this up to comment.

1) Mort, King, Schefter et al do NOT go on the record like this unless they have ironclad proof, due to their sources. There's a reason these networks employ these individuals, and a reason why their breaking news always beats the competition. They aren't tabloid guys, they're news guys in sports jobs.

2) The NFL has one of the biggest and most robust security budgets around, and each team does as well. They have the ability and budget to get whatever they need when they need it. Anyone who buys the mere suggestion they didn't either have access to the video or couldn't get it is beyond naive, they're stupid. The sad truth is they just wanted this all swept under the rug. Their outrage was simply a reaction to public outrage.

3) The leaders in that misinformation is the NFL. Again, they wanted desperately to sweep something under the rug they have blown since the story broke in Feb.

People need to wake up. This isn't the first time the NFL has gone this route. Concussions, Jevon Belcher, etc. Misinformation is something they have perfected to ensure the cash keeps coming in.

BigBull
09-09-2014, 12:32 PM
I heard 2 things today that I feel deserve mentioning.



1) The NFL needs a lawyer as their commissioner. Goodell is not the right fit.



2) The NFL only reacted with outrage due to the outrage. Its sad but that simple.


Goodell is a lawyer I believe.


Sent from the future...

BullNation4Life
09-09-2014, 12:32 PM
She went ahead and married him after this incident. I wonder how long before she divorces him now that he has no job and very likely won't be able to get one
....anywhere.

yup cause shorty got no job, shorty about have no car, and shorty gonna have a hard time paying the rent....

atomictelephone
09-09-2014, 12:34 PM
Goodell is a lawyer I believe.


Sent from the future...

Goodell isn't but Tagliabue was.

toronto
09-09-2014, 12:35 PM
Goodell is a lawyer I believe.


Sent from the future...

He isn't. His top VP is.

atomictelephone
09-09-2014, 12:36 PM
So with the new policy in place does this mean Ray Rice will be suited up and in uniform with another NFL team by game 7?

Goodell can only suspend him indefinitely for so long, right?

toronto
09-09-2014, 12:39 PM
So with the new policy in place does this mean Ray Rice will be suited up and in uniform with another NFL team by game 7?

Goodell can only suspend him indefinitely for so long, right?

No team will pick him up this season. Collusion is in place, not outrage. There is NO DOUBT there is a memo that has been sent to every team that he is not to be signed.

Its sad when I trust TMZ more than the NFL.

BigBull
09-09-2014, 12:43 PM
He isn't. His top VP is.


You're right it was his father that was a lawyer. He has a degree in economics.


Sent from the future...

toronto
09-09-2014, 12:47 PM
You're right it was his father that was a lawyer. He has a degree in economics.


Sent from the future...

And hence his job is to make his billionaire owners even more rich. That he does a good job at. The problem is he has botched this, as well as other issues so much, that the owners may feel compelled optics-wise to get rid of him.

Playoffs
09-09-2014, 12:50 PM
Of course he didn't mention spitting in her face twice. Anyone that spits in your face is not a friend. Life lessons.
Unless you marry them.


Baltimore Ravens @Ravens
The Baltimore Ravens will offer an exchange for Ray Rice jerseys at stadium stores. Details to come.
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Seems to me the Ravens/NFL are behind the curve at every step...

First they rally to Rice's defense while willfully ignoring known evidence available to them apparently for the asking, and the league passes judgement/levies a light punishment (allegedly) before viewing the video...

And now that the video surfaces as everyone knew it eventually would they swing entirely in the other direction and give Rice a death sentence, with the team announcing today they're willing to help fans erase anything that speaks to ever the existence of Ray Rice.

The violence in the video is shocking and the act/callous behavior despicable, without question. But throwing these people, this marriage, away like trash at this time is in my opinion wrong-headed once again. Now, with everything out in the open, is the opportunity for the right people to mentor this couple into a healthier relationship for the rest of their lives... forget about football.

As for Goodell/NFL, I have little sympathy.

thunderkyss
09-09-2014, 12:53 PM
If the NFL really wants to make a statement & get ahead of this, they need to run a police report on all their players. Anyone with domestic violence issues should be brought in for a one on one & enrolled into family & marriage counseling.

BullNation4Life
09-09-2014, 12:59 PM
If the NFL really wants to make a statement & get ahead of this, they need to run a police report on all their players. Anyone with domestic violence issues should be brought in for a one on one & enrolled into family & marriage counseling.

but how far back do you run that report and would there be a statue of limitations on those issues?

could make it case by case basis. I like the idea but then I am sure you are going to run into legalities of this plan.

RazorOye
09-09-2014, 02:05 PM
You'd think with all the conspiracy minded folks around here, someone would be more concerned about building 7.


I'd gladly explain why I think someone in the NFL and/or Ravens organization has seen the video (interestingly enough, I'd invoke Occam's razor, too - big fan of it and why it's part of my handle), but I don't know what to make of the Building 7 comment. If it's just some categorical dismissal by way of a 9/11 tinfoil hatted generalization, I'd rather save myself time, DB.

and just to be clear... I'm no truther

edit: and I'll add that I personally think both perspectives are logical and reasonable. Something echoed in this Grantland piece by Andrew Sharp:

What Does it take to get Roger Goodell Fired? (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/what-does-it-take-to-get-roger-goodell-fired-2/)


I don’t know if I believe that the NFL hadn’t seen the Ray Rice elevator footage before it was released by TMZ on Monday morning. It’s just impossible. The NFL is the most powerful league on earth, with unlimited funds and its own security team to gather evidence whenever players are investigated. If TMZ could get the video, the NFL could have gotten the video.

Then again, it’s just as impossible to imagine that anyone with the league could have watched that video and decided that two games was the right suspension for Rice. So who knows what really happened? Depending on how you look at things, the NFL is either incompetent and irresponsible, or inhumane and reprehensible.

Mr teX
09-09-2014, 02:26 PM
I've left this up to comment.

1) Mort, King, Schefter et al do NOT go on the record like this unless they have ironclad proof, due to their sources. There's a reason these networks employ these individuals, and a reason why their breaking news always beats the competition. They aren't tabloid guys, they're news guys in sports jobs.

2) The NFL has one of the biggest and most robust security budgets around, and each team does as well. They have the ability and budget to get whatever they need when they need it. Anyone who buys the mere suggestion they didn't either have access to the video or couldn't get it is beyond naive, they're stupid. The sad truth is they just wanted this all swept under the rug. Their outrage was simply a reaction to public outrage.

3) The leaders in that misinformation is the NFL. Again, they wanted desperately to sweep something under the rug they have blown since the story broke in Feb.

People need to wake up. This isn't the first time the NFL has gone this route. Concussions, Jevon Belcher, etc. Misinformation is something they have perfected to ensure the cash keeps coming in.

You're getting a little to emotional about this...I can believe that the NFL is in spin control behind this whole thing b/c it makes them & Goodell look bad....As DB pointed out however, what's hard for me to believe is them seeing the 2nd video in all its brutality and still only thinking that his actions deserved only a 2 game suspension......

& since we're going full on conspiracy theory, ..the mere fact that this video surfaced when it did (opening weekend of the NFL) when the incident itself happened in mid freaking febuary.......That just screams someone got paid lots of money & was probably in negotiations with many different folks to release it. It also tells me that whomever released it had an agenda of sorts...they waited to see what Rice's suspension actually was & would likely release it if they didn't agree with it. It was also a casino where everything is recorded...why is this the only footage we see of them in the casino? There's already talk that TMZ edited the video... With all of this, it's not that far-fetched to believe that perhaps the NFL nor the Ravens saw the 2nd video...even though they may have half-heartedly tried to get hold of the video from that night.

Also, as Icak pointed out, this video is private property, the casino could've flatly refused to issue it to the NFL.

toronto
09-09-2014, 03:27 PM
You're getting a little to emotional about this...I can believe that the NFL is in spin control behind this whole thing b/c it makes them & Goodell look bad....As DB pointed out however, what's hard for me to believe is them seeing the 2nd video in all its brutality and still only thinking that his actions deserved only a 2 game suspension......

& since we're going full on conspiracy theory, ..the mere fact that this video surfaced when it did (opening weekend of the NFL) when the incident itself happened in mid freaking febuary.......That just screams someone got paid lots of money & was probably in negotiations with many different folks to release it. It also tells me that whomever released it had an agenda of sorts...they waited to see what Rice's suspension actually was & would likely release it if they didn't agree with it. It was also a casino where everything is recorded...why is this the only footage we see of them in the casino? There's already talk that TMZ edited the video... With all of this, it's not that far-fetched to believe that perhaps the NFL nor the Ravens saw the 2nd video...even though they may have half-heartedly tried to get hold of the video from that night.

Also, as Icak pointed out, this video is private property, the casino could've flatly refused to issue it to the NFL.

I have zero emotion on this - and with my profession have the ability to see a bit more than the average fan, so don't assume. I just do not trust the NFL when it comes to issues like this. This is a league that has a long history of attempting to sweep things under the rug, and this represents the latest example. Only difference was the video surfaced, and only when the public and media were predictably outraged, did they suddenly become outraged as well.

Do you believe NFL execs when they discuss concussions? I'm still waiting on the next Jevon Belcher, only the next time it happens, I fear it won't be just a family annihilation.

Double Barrel
09-09-2014, 03:59 PM
I'd gladly explain why I think someone in the NFL and/or Ravens organization has seen the video (interestingly enough, I'd invoke Occam's razor, too - big fan of it and why it's part of my handle), but I don't know what to make of the Building 7 comment. If it's just some categorical dismissal by way of a 9/11 tinfoil hatted generalization, I'd rather save myself time, DB.

and just to be clear... I'm no truther

My building 7 comment was more about people not seeing potential conspiracy about something extremely serious but seeing massive conspiracy about this story. I do not go by labels like 'truther', but rather see inconsistencies in the building 7 story. But, that said, I do not fill in the blanks. I just admit seeing inconsistencies, and I keep my standard distrust of bureaucracy separate from it.

I do not see those types of inconsistencies in this Ray Rice story, but rather see a witch hunt because people do not like Goodell.

Case in point:


edit: and I'll add that I personally think both perspectives are logical and reasonable. Something echoed in this Grantland piece by Andrew Sharp:

What Does it take to get Roger Goodell Fired? (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/what-does-it-take-to-get-roger-goodell-fired-2/)

His article is titled "What Does It Take to Get Roger Goodell Fired?", which automatically tells me it is biased agenda.

Then, to further elaborate, he starts "I don’t know if I believe...", which tells me the rest of the article is going to speculation and connect-the-dots assumptions based on conjecture.

The fact of the matter is that he simply does not KNOW - without a doubt - that the NFL definitely saw the video, but will use this story to advance his agenda.

His opinion is worth no more than anyone on the radio or this forum, as far as I'm concerned. You are welcomed to put more weight than I do, though, but let's all agree it is a choice of perception.

You're getting a little to emotional about this...I can believe that the NFL is in spin control behind this whole thing b/c it makes them & Goodell look bad....As DB pointed out however, what's hard for me to believe is them seeing the 2nd video in all its brutality and still only thinking that his actions deserved only a 2 game suspension......

& since we're going full on conspiracy theory, ..the mere fact that this video surfaced when it did (opening weekend of the NFL) when the incident itself happened in mid freaking febuary.......That just screams someone got paid lots of money & was probably in negotiations with many different folks to release it. It also tells me that whomever released it had an agenda of sorts...they waited to see what Rice's suspension actually was & would likely release it if they didn't agree with it. It was also a casino where everything is recorded...why is this the only footage we see of them in the casino? There's already talk that TMZ edited the video... With all of this, it's not that far-fetched to believe that perhaps the NFL nor the Ravens saw the 2nd video...even though they may have half-heartedly tried to get hold of the video from that night.

Also, as Icak pointed out, this video is private property, the casino could've flatly refused to issue it to the NFL.

My thoughts, as well. How do we know that the NFL didn't try to get this video? What if TMZ was asking for $500 million or something crazy? Should the NFL pay that kind of money - or any huge amount - to investigate one player?

That sets a really bad precedent that is ultimately bad for the bottom line. You know, the reason the NFL is a business and not a charity.

I just do not ASSUME that the NFL knew all of this and has been actively covering up the entire time. It does not pass the smell test, much less make any logical sense.

And painting with a broad brush because of the concussion issue is jumping off the deep end, IMO. Two completely different issues that have nothing to do with each other.

Playoffs
09-09-2014, 04:02 PM
Plausible deniability just isn't a good look, here, NFL.

Doesn't anybody watch movies in that office? Church Committee? Iran-Contra? Hello, McFly...!?

thunderkyss
09-09-2014, 04:39 PM
Plausible deniability just isn't a good look, here, NFL.

Doesn't anybody watch movies in that office? Church Committee? Iran-Contra? Hello, McFly...!?

How about the city of Atlantic City? Are they culpable here in any way? I'm sure Jana may have changed her mind, but is there any reason the city of Atlantic City didn't investigate further & bring charges against Ray Rice?

Personally I don't expect the NFL to conduct a thorough investigation in matters such as these, but I think our gov't should if domestic abuse is the problem we say it is & I have no reason to believe it is not. Too many times the victim is too scared to speak out or press charges. .. too many times the cops say they can't do anything without evidence... well we've got the evidence on this one & it looks like they didn't do their due diligence.

Mr teX
09-09-2014, 05:00 PM
I have zero emotion on this - and with my profession have the ability to see a bit more than the average fan, so don't assume. I just do not trust the NFL when it comes to issues like this. This is a league that has a long history of attempting to sweep things under the rug, and this represents the latest example. Only difference was the video surfaced, and only when the public and media were predictably outraged, did they suddenly become outraged as well.

Do you believe NFL execs when they discuss concussions? I'm still waiting on the next Jevon Belcher, only the next time it happens, I fear it won't be just a family annihilation.

The concussion situation is apples and oranges for a variety of reasons..not gonna discuss that with you..I also don't think the NFL tried to sweep the Jevon Belcher thing under the rug either...

In regards to the bolded...sure they do...but so does every multi-million dollar institution...Hell if you're being truthful, them trying to sweep it under the rug is pretty much SOP as far as im concerned. That's sad, but its also why this "outrage" everyone is having about whether or not who knew & did what is really being over done. This isn't a once lifetime thing & noone not even the feminist said much of anything about these kinds of things in the past until now...

This isn't Bernie Madoff swindling baby boomers out of millions in retirement money they worked for decades to accumulate.....

Nor is it a decade plus child sex scandal that happened at one of the most prominent universities in the nation...

It's the domestic violence situation of a mid level star that just happened to be captured on video. That stuff happens everyday and twice on sundays..probably quadruple when athletes are involved.

Yet the media and people who look for opportunities to get their name out there & make money off this stuff are using this run of the mill type situation to further agendas against Goodell and the NFL.

Mr teX
09-09-2014, 05:03 PM
How about the city of Atlantic City? Are they culpable here in any way? I'm sure Jana may have changed her mind, but is there any reason the city of Atlantic City didn't investigate further & bring charges against Ray Rice?

Personally I don't expect the NFL to conduct a thorough investigation in matters such as these, but I think our gov't should if domestic abuse is the problem we say it is & I have no reason to believe it is not. Too many times the victim is too scared to speak out or press charges. .. too many times the cops say they can't do anything without evidence... well we've got the evidence on this one & it looks like they didn't do their due diligence.

That's the thing..people are getting so caught up in trying to place blame on the NFL and Goodell, the prosecutor who supposedly had this 2nd video also..(at least according to TMZ) is escaping unscathed from this. If he supposedlyhad this video from the jump as TMZ alleges he and the NFL did, he should've been able to use it and nail Rice to the wall with it...Instead he just dropped the case.

So that makes 3 different entities: the ravens organization, the NFL and the prosecutor whose response to this situation wasn't appropriate for what the 2nd tape shows. When you look at it from that perspective, it strengthens the case for maybe none of them having seen the 2nd video until yesterday as TMZ alleges.

klockWork
09-09-2014, 05:51 PM
I just do not ASSUME that the NFL knew all of this and has been actively covering up the entire time. It does not pass the smell test, much less make any logical sense.

Everytime an NFL player gets in trouble with the law it's a reflection to the company as a whole. With the Aaron Hernandez murder case and now this, especially of its graphic nature, the NFL were looking at themselves through the public eyes. And they don't like what they saw, and then asked themselves, "Do we want the public to see this monster?"
THAT is motive to keep this whole thing quiet.

chicagotexan2
09-09-2014, 06:33 PM
A local Mexican restaurant should offer an exchange too. Trade in your ray rice jersey for a free burrito.

gary
09-09-2014, 07:08 PM
Maybe I am wrong but perhaps the media went a bit too far with this. Ray's wife did not this video to go this far. Now she is still supporting him more than anyone else right now. Why that is I do not know. He was wrong. His punishment should be decided by the owners, players, and even his wife. The sad part up until now money has bought love it seems. I feel all involved parties should meet and decide whether or not to ban Rice. The public and press might be making matters worse.

RazorOye
09-09-2014, 07:15 PM
Then, to further elaborate, he starts "I don’t know if I believe...", which tells me the rest of the article is going to speculation and connect-the-dots assumptions based on conjecture.

The fact of the matter is that he simply does not KNOW - without a doubt - that the NFL definitely saw the video, but will use this story to advance his agenda.

I'm obviously not making myself clear. I didn't cite his article as fact. I wasn't using his opinion piece as evidence or definitive, incontrovertible proof of knowledge on the part of anyone in the Ravens or the NFL.

I was trying to point out that I believe that someone in the Ravens organization and/or the NFL saw the tape. At the very least, knew of the disturbing nature of the contents. So I have a hard time buying the shock that's rippling across front offices in Baltimore and NFLHQ. And I think that's reasonable. You don't. That's the difference I was trying to highlight. I don't see tinfoil hats in one and place my faith in the other. I'm content accepting either as reasonable until we know more.

And the article I linked to was pretty clearly an opinion piece. So I don't think there was trickery or deception involved in trying to make it sound declarative; his opening paragraphs were - I thought - a pretty clear indication of that.

My thoughts, as well. How do we know that the NFL didn't try to get this video? What if TMZ was asking for $500 million or something crazy? Should the NFL pay that kind of money - or any huge amount - to investigate one player?

Occam's Razor? The casino and the NFL both said the NFL didn't try to secure the tape from them.

Curious why both parties would say that if the opposite were true? Particularly if acknowledgment on the part of the NFL might help vindicate them a bit and mitigate some of the damage. Goodell just begrudgingly (and awkwardly) admitted to some knowledge of the tape's existence but indicated there was no pursuit except through law enforcement channels.

We could follow this one down another conspiratorial rabbit hole, I suppose - but one's enough for me in a day :)

So as we exchange "conspiracies" on lies, I guess there's all sorts of ways to pick and choose when and where we think the NFL is being straightforward.

As I said before, though, I can understand the logic behind your position even if you don't see it in mine.

que sera, sera

thunderkyss
09-09-2014, 07:15 PM
He was wrong. His punishment should be decided by the owners, players, and even his wife.

You do realize a law was broken right?

gary
09-09-2014, 07:23 PM
You do realize a law was broken right?Isn't that over with? Some kind of punishment he had. Shameful.

EllisUnit
09-09-2014, 07:25 PM
Maybe I am wrong but perhaps the media went a bit too far with this. Ray's wife did not this video to go this far. Now she is still supporting him more than anyone else right now. Why that is I do not know. He was wrong. His punishment should be decided by the owners, players, and even his wife. The sad part up until now money has bought love it seems. I feel all involved parties should meet and decide whether or not to ban Rice. The public and press might be making matters worse.

Hell yeah she is supporting him, he will lose MILLIONS, and i'm sure she wants her cut when she does divorce him.....

gary
09-09-2014, 07:33 PM
Hell yeah she is supporting him, he will lose MILLIONS, and i'm sure she wants her cut when she does divorce him.....We'll see what happens Ray has an issue in order to do this and go got away with it as far as the law is concerned.

steelbtexan
09-09-2014, 07:46 PM
God'ell should be fired over this. He was either A. Lying about whether he saw the tape. (Probably) B. Ran a very inept investigation.

1. God'ell has run inept investigations before. (Bountygate, where Tagliabue had to pull his inept butt out of the fire.)
2. Turning the NFL into somekind of AFL game where he gets to be Kraft/Mara's lackey.
3. Is okay with this type of behavior, but treats the Gordon's/Welker's/Browner's etc... of the world like common criminals and plays favorites to help his favorite team. (Giants/Pats,) see the collusion farce against the Cowboys/Redskins. Speaking of the Redskins God'ell appears to care more about them changing their name than laying down the law against a player that lande a left hook that Joe Frazier would've been proud of hitting a WOMAN.

None of this will matter because Mara/Kraft will carry God"ell's water because the owners are making $$$$ hand over fist while God'ell is letting said owners bastardize the great game I grew up with.

Not that Rog cares about what true football fans like myself and many other on this MB rtc.... think.

infantrycak
09-09-2014, 08:01 PM
I don't find anything likely in the NFL having the tape before the original suspension. If that's the case then not just Rice had to lie but the NFL, Ravens AND whoever they got the tape from since everyone is currently denying they gave them the tape AND everyone involve had to be stupid enough that no reporter would ever track the tape down when EVERYONE knew one existed and now still nobody is breaking ranks on the story. I'm more cynical than most on the stupidity of people but I'm not buying it. Too many people who are too business savvy and in cases with no reason to trust each other.

Incompetent in not insisting on finding a way to get the tape on something everyone wished had never happened and would go away. Yeah, that I can buy and that is Occam's Razor not the grand conspiracy.

thunderkyss
09-09-2014, 08:48 PM
I don't find anything likely in the NFL having the tape before the original suspension. If that's the case then not just Rice had to lie but the NFL, Ravens AND whoever they got the tape from


Can you imagine Rice, Goddell, & Harbaugh smoking cigars watching this video, cutting up?, "Damn Ray... whoooo hoooo. That btch got what she deserved. Don't worry though, we're going to take care of this. No one will ever see this video... dammmmmnnn, rewind that part."

Texan_Bill
09-09-2014, 09:37 PM
http://i.qkme.me/362kup.jpg

...................

I think another well-known woman beater should challenge Ray Rice to a fight.... Floyd "Money Maker" Mayweather v. Ray Rice would be a good fight of cowardly men.

eriadoc
09-09-2014, 11:44 PM
Incompetent in not insisting on finding a way to get the tape on something everyone wished had never happened and would go away. Yeah, that I can buy and that is Occam's Razor not the grand conspiracy.

Or, put another way, they didn't see the tape because they didn't want to see the tape.

toronto
09-09-2014, 11:49 PM
Or, put another way, they didn't see the tape because they didn't want to see the tape.

Correct. This is the under the rug exercise. They weren't counting on this coming back to bite them hard.

infantrycak
09-10-2014, 12:07 AM
Or, put another way, they didn't see the tape because they didn't want to see the tape.

In effect yes.

Correct. This is the under the rug exercise. They weren't counting on this coming back to bite them hard.

No. It's human nature to ignore both consciously and subconsciously that which we do not want to see. If you step back from this conversation and think of a million political conversations you have been in you know it's true. Conscious requires the conspiracy which just isn't credible. Subconscious decision to not push the matter gets the same result and a simpler explanation.

CloakNNNdagger
09-10-2014, 12:14 AM
The NFL and Goodell just need to keep their traps shut.

Goodell based second Rice suspension on facts the league already had (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/goodell-based-second-rice-suspension-on-facts-the-league-already-had/)

infantrycak
09-10-2014, 01:05 AM
The NFL and Goodell just need to keep their traps shut.

Goodell based second Rice suspension on facts the league already had (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/goodell-based-second-rice-suspension-on-facts-the-league-already-had/)

How exactly is that possible? They are being hounded by press and they have no 5th amendment rights not to answer. How many people in this thread would accept "no answer"?

thunderkyss
09-10-2014, 07:23 AM
The NFL and Goodell just need to keep their traps shut.

Goodell based second Rice suspension on facts the league already had (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/goodell-based-second-rice-suspension-on-facts-the-league-already-had/)

The thing that gets me about the "second suspension" is that it came out after the "league policy" which states a 6 game suspension for a first offense... which technically this still is, & a lifetime ban for a second, which Ray Rice has yet to do.

Ray Rice is probably going to fight it, but I hope the teams stand in unity & not pick him up.

BigBull17
09-10-2014, 11:08 AM
The thing that gets me about the "second suspension" is that it came out after the "league policy" which states a 6 game suspension for a first offense... which technically this still is, & a lifetime ban for a second, which Ray Rice has yet to do.

Ray Rice is probably going to fight it, but I hope the teams stand in unity & not pick him up.

I think Rice is going to take the NFL to the cleaners.

Bulls on Parade
09-10-2014, 11:15 AM
Was a video showing Ray Rice punching his wife, or then fiancee, really necessary? What did people think happened when the first video surfaced of him dragging her seemingly lifeless body out of the elevator? Roger Goodell and the Baltimore Ravens both blew it. They should have done what they did a few days ago "several months" ago after the first video came to fruition.

toronto
09-10-2014, 11:16 AM
I think Rice is going to take the NFL to the cleaners.

So will Roger Goodell in his upcoming severance package.

eriadoc
09-10-2014, 11:27 AM
Was a video showing Ray Rice punching his wife, or then fiancee, really necessary? What did people think happened when the first video surfaced of him dragging her seemingly lifeless body out of the elevator?

This has been answered, but they thought there might be a chance that Rice was telling the truth when he said his wife assaulted him and he defended himself by pushing her. His story was that the subsequent fall against the handrail is what knocked her out. Of course, that leads to a debate about the appropriate level of defense against a woman that's hitting you, but it's a debate. There's no debate when Rice just cold cocked her.

Regardless, the NFL should have known the real story instead of listening to his. They didn't find out the real story because they didn't really want to. It's clear that the video was available for the NFL to obtain if they really wanted it.

toronto
09-10-2014, 11:46 AM
When this is all said, done and forgotten as games resume (like always), my hope is that real attention is applied to the one real issue here - domestic violence. Every marriage or relationship, and man is mine included, goes through good times and bad. But I'll be damned if I even think of striking my wife. Its repugnant and just frigging wrong, forget the legal ramifications.

What's even more wrong to me is how women like her stand by their man, even after being knocked out cold. The mind of a woman that goes back for more is one I can never get. I'd think their survival instincts would take over first, before their addiction to their relationship.

thunderkyss
09-10-2014, 11:51 AM
Was a video showing Ray Rice punching his wife, or then fiancee, really necessary? What did people think happened when the first video surfaced of him dragging her seemingly lifeless body out of the elevator? Roger Goodell and the Baltimore Ravens both blew it. They should have done what they did a few days ago "several months" ago after the first video came to fruition.

I can't remember the specifics, but I remember Goodell being harshly criticized for levying a fine/suspension before any formal charges were even brought against the player.

At the time, it seemed prudent that Goodell would wait to find out if the guy is even guilty to begin with.

I had no idea what happened in that elevator, & though unlikely, there are reasons that Janay could have been knocked clean out without Ray Rice ver doing anything wrong.

At the same time, that was pretty bold of John Harbaugh to back his player the way he did, without having seen that video.

thunderkyss
09-10-2014, 11:55 AM
But this is the problem with domestic abuse:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3745/1997/1600/000008-domestic_abuse.jpg

http://www.newsytype.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Domestic-violence.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nOzO60s0QaE/TSuI8isfbeI/AAAAAAAAADk/y10zaDmaz7I/s1600/domestic_violence8-300x227.jpg

Can't ever find enough evidence to convict.

thunderkyss
09-10-2014, 12:01 PM
What's even more wrong to me is how women like her stand by their man, even after being knocked out cold. The mind of a woman that goes back for more is one I can never get. I'd think their survival instincts would take over first, before their addiction to their relationship.

I don't think I could close my eyes, much less go to sleep next to a woman I knocked out like that.


I have no idea how that works.

Double Barrel
09-10-2014, 12:18 PM
I don't find anything likely in the NFL having the tape before the original suspension. If that's the case then not just Rice had to lie but the NFL, Ravens AND whoever they got the tape from since everyone is currently denying they gave them the tape AND everyone involve had to be stupid enough that no reporter would ever track the tape down when EVERYONE knew one existed and now still nobody is breaking ranks on the story. I'm more cynical than most on the stupidity of people but I'm not buying it. Too many people who are too business savvy and in cases with no reason to trust each other.

Incompetent in not insisting on finding a way to get the tape on something everyone wished had never happened and would go away. Yeah, that I can buy and that is Occam's Razor not the grand conspiracy.

yep, I agree. Incompetence I can buy. Not understanding the explosive nature of this act and subsequent reaction in the fanbase is explainable.

But, multiple people in different places seeing the video and lying in unison? I just don't buy it. Someone somewhere would leak it that it had been seen.

And there is still no plausible explanation from the witch hunters on why the NFL - a global multi-billion dollar empire - would see such a video and purposefully hide a wife beater? That makes no sense and is something that I think is being completely ignored in trying to present a logical theory.

I'm no fan of Goodell, but I think there is a herd mentality on piling on right now. Seems like years of grievances toward the man is culminating in spite and vengeance.

What's even more wrong to me is how women like her stand by their man, even after being knocked out cold. The mind of a woman that goes back for more is one I can never get. I'd think their survival instincts would take over first, before their addiction to their relationship.

I will never understand it. Honestly, I lose respect for any woman that takes a beating and then returns to the wife-beater. And even worse for a woman that let's a man beat her child and stays with him.

kingtexan
09-10-2014, 01:12 PM
I'm no fan of Goodell, but I think there is a herd mentality on piling on right now. Seems like years of grievances toward the man is culminating in spite and vengeance.





The fact he could sit there and lie like that on CBS should cost him his job.

He first learned about it when he got to his office and his staff told him?

Bullshit. He is gone, or at least should be.

IDEXAN
09-10-2014, 01:21 PM
Who's the "next man up" if Goodell is forced out/resigns ? I've got Condoleezza Rice as my "dark horse" candidate for the job, she's got it all.

Mr teX
09-10-2014, 01:42 PM
Was a video showing Ray Rice punching his wife, or then fiancee, really necessary? What did people think happened when the first video surfaced of him dragging her seemingly lifeless body out of the elevator? Roger Goodell and the Baltimore Ravens both blew it. They should have done what they did a few days ago "several months" ago after the first video came to fruition.

you're forgetting how all this unfolded. If i recall, the 1st video only showed him dragging her out of the elevator...that's it. Now If you saw only the video and read or saw nothing else..which is how i initially came across it, there was at least 1 other plausible scenario of what could've happened in there...drawing off my experiences with girls and close friends in my younger days she could've been stone cold drunk and/or passed out....You factor in his previously sterling rep of being a good guy with no infractions....easy to come to that alternative conclusion.

I know at least 1 other person on this forum related to me in this thread about my initial reaction of her being drunk.

Double Barrel
09-10-2014, 01:42 PM
The fact he could sit there and lie like that on CBS should cost him his job.

He first learned about it when he got to his office and his staff told him?

Bullshit. He is gone, or at least should be.

I took it to mean that the first he learned about the second tape's release was when he arrived at the office.

They clearly knew that an elevator tape existed prior to its release. But, since it was evidence in a grand jury investigation, they were unable to legally obtain a copy.

BullNation4Life
09-10-2014, 01:46 PM
Who's the "next man up" if Goodell is forced out/resigns ? I've got Condoleezza Rice as my "dark horse" candidate for the job, she's got it all.

her ball are bigger than most men....

Having a woman as the commish and then a player be involved in domestic violence....


damn, hell hath no fury....