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badboy
02-14-2014, 02:07 PM
As are some of you, I am constantly searching for bits of info on players. Not much in this article about his actual progress but does go specifically into his meniscus surgery and offers eval from Matt Miller as second round pick. My concern is his weight (345) and if it is bone on bone.

Perhaps CNNND can offer input. Unless he can be said to be ready to play game one, I would not draft him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1955497-closer-look-at-louis-nix-iiis-knee-injury-surgery-heading-into-the-nfl-draft

Texian
02-14-2014, 02:10 PM
Nix is a definite fit for Crennel's defense. In the 3 games I watched, Nix could not anchor and was easily blocked 1 on 1 by the OC or the OG.

rmartin65
02-14-2014, 02:17 PM
Nix is a definite fit for Crennel's defense. In the 3 games I watched, Nix could not anchor and was easily blocked 1 on 1 by the OC or the OG.

Reading your posts are like reading emails from my 12 y/o brothers. Actually, that might be a little harsh... to my brothers.

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badboy- I am very uncomfortable mocking Nix III to us at this point. That injury worries me, his weight history worries me, and the last couple games he played worried me.

Texian
02-14-2014, 02:26 PM
Reading your posts are like reading emails from my 12 y/o brothers. Actually, that might be a little harsh... to my brothers.

EDIT-
badboy- I am very uncomfortable mocking Nix III to us at this point. That injury worries me, his weight history worries me, and the last couple games he played worried me.

apparently you must be infatuated with the girth....

rmartin65
02-14-2014, 02:29 PM
apparently you must be infatuated with the girth....

No idea what you are trying to say here. I clearly stated that I would not be comfortable taking Nix in the second.

I am curious as to why Nix is perfect for Crennel's defense since he can't (in your opinion) anchor and is easily blocked 1-on-1. What about that makes him a perfect fit?

HJam72
02-14-2014, 02:42 PM
I'm so confused! :brickwall:

Texian
02-14-2014, 02:44 PM
No idea what you are trying to say here. I clearly stated that I would not be comfortable taking Nix in the second.

I am curious as to why Nix is perfect for Crennel's defense since he can't (in your opinion) anchor and is easily blocked 1-on-1. What about that makes him a perfect fit?

I have no idea why my comment, that in the 3 games I watched I found Nix unable to anchor and was often blocked by 1 OG or 1 OC is the equivalent of a 12 yr old email, or worse insulting to 12 yr old emails. (maybe I am a 12 year old a heart)

Nix is a good fit Crennel's defense because the history of a Crennel defense starts with a two gap NG (usually a man of girth) which is exactly what Nix is. My opinion is not absolute. I think you will find that many more will disagree with my findings regarding Nix than agree. Many will also say that Nix did not play well the 2nd half of the season due to injury.

As to the "girth" comment, you will also find that many here think that BIG is better, regardless.

HJam72
02-14-2014, 02:47 PM
Translation: he looks like a NT but doesn't perform like one.

Blake
02-14-2014, 02:51 PM
Translation: he looks like a NT but doesn't perform like one.

So my question to Texian. How does a NT who cant take on 2 blockers fit in Crennel's defense that begins with a NT who needs to be able to take up 2 blockers?

badboy
02-14-2014, 02:53 PM
I have no idea why my comment, that in the 3 games I watched I found Nix unable to anchor and was often blocked by 1 OG or 1 OC is the equivalent of a 12 yr old email, or worse insulting to 12 yr old emails. (maybe I am a 12 year old a heart)

Nix is a good fit Crennel's defense because the history of a Crennel defense starts with a two gap NG (usually a man of girth) which is exactly what Nix is. My opinion is not absolute. I think you will find that many more will disagree with my findings regarding Nix than agree. Many will also say that Nix did not play well the 2nd half of the season due to injury.

As to the "girth" comment, you will also find that many here think that BIG is better, regardless.Not speaking for 65 but your post he referred to was bit confusing for me also as you said he was good fit then said he could not anchor which is a must in what we need. Seems to say a poor NT is what we need. Prior to injury he has slimmed to about 330 IIRC but probably ballooned to 350. Huge guys with feet/knee injuries regardless of sport (seen lots of this in basketball) cause me concern. I am looking at Tuitt as the second pick with or without trade down as he can replace Ninja and support NT at 312 lbs. I still like Carrethers 4-5th round.

rmartin65
02-14-2014, 02:56 PM
I have no idea why my comment, that in the 3 games I watched I found Nix unable to anchor and was often blocked by 1 OG or 1 OC is the equivalent of a 12 yr old email, or worse insulting to 12 yr old emails. (maybe I am a 12 year old a heart)

Nix is a good fit Crennel's defense because the history of a Crennel defense starts with a two gap NG (usually a man of girth) which is exactly what Nix is. My opinion is not absolute. I think you will find that many more will disagree with my findings regarding Nix than agree. Many will also say that Nix did not play well the 2nd half of the season due to injury.

I get that 2Gaps are the bigger guys. But they are also guys that you want to be able to anchor. Thus, if Nix can't anchor, then he is a poor fit for Crennel's D, regardless of his size.

As to the "girth" comment, you will also find that many here think that BIG is better, regardless.

But I never did, so your post was asinine.

Texian
02-14-2014, 02:56 PM
So my question to Texian. How does a NT who cant take on 2 blockers fit in Crennel's defense that begins with a NT who needs to be able to take up 2 blockers?

Maybe you think he can, I might be wrong. Regardless, Crennel's history shows his preference for large tow gap NGs.

badboy
02-14-2014, 02:57 PM
So my question to Texian. How does a NT who cant take on 2 blockers fit in Crennel's defense that begins with a NT who needs to be able to take up 2 blockers?Prior to injury, Nix regularly took on 2 blockers. His fat content is way too much but what got my attention during 2012 season and continuing up to tear was his willingness to follow the ball to sidelines. As he gains experience, he will save strength on some of those plays by adjusting his angles & remain in game longer.

rmartin65
02-14-2014, 02:58 PM
So my question to Texian. How does a NT who cant take on 2 blockers fit in Crennel's defense that begins with a NT who needs to be able to take up 2 blockers?

Not speaking for 65 but your post he referred to was bit confusing for me also as you said he was good fit then said he could not anchor which is a must in what we need. Seems to say a poor NT is what we need. Prior to injury he has slimmed to about 330 IIRC but probably ballooned to 350. Huge guys with feet/knee injuries regardless of sport (seen lots of this in basketball) cause me concern. I am looking at Tuitt as the second pick with or without trade down as he can replace Ninja and support NT at 312 lbs. I still like Carrethers 4-5th round.

These 2 guys get it.

BB- I like Tuitt, but I think he is more of a DE in the 3-4. When we shift to the 4-3 though, he would make a good DT. I would be thrilled with him in the second. I like Carrethers too.

mussop
02-14-2014, 02:59 PM
I have no idea why my comment, that in the 3 games I watched I found Nix unable to anchor and was often blocked by 1 OG or 1 OC is the equivalent of a 12 yr old email, or worse insulting to 12 yr old emails. (maybe I am a 12 year old a heart)

Nix is a good fit Crennel's defense because the history of a Crennel defense starts with a two gap NG (usually a man of girth) which is exactly what Nix is. My opinion is not absolute. I think you will find that many more will disagree with my findings regarding Nix than agree. Many will also say that Nix did not play well the 2nd half of the season due to injury.

As to the "girth" comment, you will also find that many here think that BIG is better, regardless.

You make no sense. You say he is easily blocked but he is perfect. Maybe it's all those years of reading Rob Rang.

bah007
02-14-2014, 03:00 PM
I think Tuitt is much like Watt. His best fit would be a 34 DE but he could spin down to DT on a four man line.

Texian
02-14-2014, 03:13 PM
I get that 2Gaps are the bigger guys. But they are also guys that you want to be able to anchor. Thus, if Nix can't anchor, then he is a poor fit for Crennel's D, regardless of his size.



But I never did, so your post was asinine.

asinine, NO! Wrong, Yes!

TexansFTW
02-14-2014, 03:24 PM
Deleted bro!

badboy
02-14-2014, 03:36 PM
I think Tuitt is much like Watt. His best fit would be a 34 DE but he could spin down to DT on a four man line.6'6.5" 312 lbs 20 YOA with strong legs, good anchor and balance with quick feet/slide and balance seems perfect replacement to Ninja in what we think will be Crennel's D. His explosion and upper body strength as he focuses on his target are eye catching. Despite having to recover from off season hernia surgery (I now relate to that) and having to regain playing shape, he still had 7.5 sacks and 48 tackles this season.

Texian
02-14-2014, 03:38 PM
Not speaking for 65 but your post he referred to was bit confusing for me also as you said he was good fit then said he could not anchor which is a must in what we need. Seems to say a poor NT is what we need. Prior to injury he has slimmed to about 330 IIRC but probably ballooned to 350. Huge guys with feet/knee injuries regardless of sport (seen lots of this in basketball) cause me concern. I am looking at Tuitt as the second pick with or without trade down as he can replace Ninja and support NT at 312 lbs. I still like Carrethers 4-5th round.

I get that 2Gaps are the bigger guys. But they are also guys that you want to be able to anchor. Thus, if Nix can't anchor, then he is a poor fit for Crennel's D, regardless of his size.


I think Tuitt is much like Watt. His best fit would be a 34 DE but he could spin down to DT on a four man line.

Let me beak it down this way, I do understand that there are some 12 year olds who read this board (see what I did there). Nix is in the mold of a Crennel NG, his size matches ideally with Wilfork and Poe (former Crennel NGs). I do not know how effective Nix will be but from games I watched I am skeptical. I have explained what I saw in games that I watched. Me, personally I would pass on Nix. I am not sure he will as effective as Raji who I consider barely average and ordinary. However, there are many here who disagree with me and think Nix will be a solid NG.

Regarding Tuitt, I watched Tuitt in the same 3 games I watched Nix. In those games I noticed Tuitt played straight up and lost or played without leverage. To often Tuitt was taken out of the play by the opposing TE. Tuitt didn't appear to play with much strength. It will be interesting to see how Tuitt test at the combine, particularly his 225 reps, broad jump and vertical. I hope this clarifies my explanation, sorry for the confusion.

mussop
02-14-2014, 03:41 PM
I think Tuitt is much like Watt. His best fit would be a 34 DE but he could spin down to DT on a four man line.

I think Tuitt is a fav of a lot of us in the second round. I don't think he makes it out of the first. If we go QB I could see Us going TE or OT In the second. I don't see OD being brought back.

Dutchrudder
02-14-2014, 03:43 PM
Nix is a definite fit for Crennel's defense. In the 3 games I watched, Nix could not anchor and was easily blocked 1 on 1 by the OC or the OG.

Texian, the above post is where all this confusion comes from. It's not internally consistent, unless you have a very poor opinion of Crennel's defense and expect him to fail. To say someone is a "fit" for a defense, and then to follow it up with saying they are not good at the primary purpose of their role is odd, to say the least.

Did you mean to put a "not" in the first sentence?

badboy
02-14-2014, 03:44 PM
Let me beak it down this way, I do understand that there are some 12 year olds who read this board (see what I did there). Nix is in the mold of a Crennel NG, his size matches ideally with Wilfork and Poe (former Crennel NGs). I do not know how effective Nix will be but from games I watched I am skeptical. I have explained what I saw in games that I watched. Me, personally I would pass on Nix. I am not sure he will as effective as Raji who I consider barely average and ordinary. However, there are many here who disagree with me and think Nix will be a solid NG.

Regarding Tuitt, I watched Tuitt in the same 3 games I watched Nix. In those games I noticed Tuitt played straight up and lost or played without leverage. To often Tuitt was taken out of the play by the opposing TE. Tuitt didn't appear to play with much strength. It will be interesting to see how Tuitt test at the combine, particularly his 225 reps, broad jump and vertical. I hope this clarifies my explanation, sorry for the confusion.Excellent clarification. You may know but for much of 2013 he was recovering from off season groin hernia repair and the excessive weight he picked up not working out. Again consider him as how he will look in 2015 as I mentioned about Bortles. While we have to hit on our picks (I want at least 3 starters and could get 4-5)2014 is if not a throw away season as far as wins but definitely a "get it together" year. Anything better than 6-10 is gravy for the chicken.

Texian
02-14-2014, 03:52 PM
Texian, the above post is where all this confusion comes from. It's not internally consistent, unless you have a very poor opinion of Crennel's defense and expect him to fail. To say someone is a "fit" for a defense, and then to follow it up with saying they are not good at the primary purpose of their role is odd, to say the least.

Did you mean to put a "not" in the first sentence?

I should have said, "Nix's size" and then added "However"

Texian
02-14-2014, 03:56 PM
Excellent clarification. You may know but for much of 2013 he was recovering from off season groin hernia repair and the excessive weight he picked up not working out. Again consider him as how he will look in 2015 as I mentioned about Bortles. While we have to hit on our picks (I want at least 3 starters and could get 4-5)2014 is if not a throw away season as far as wins but definitely a "get it together" year. Anything better than 6-10 is gravy for the chicken.

This is why I wasn't adamantly opposed against Nix because of his medicals and tried to leave the door open. Based on what I saw it was No Thanks. I see now that was confusing.

Marshall
02-14-2014, 03:57 PM
Deleted. Already answered.

Texian
02-14-2014, 04:02 PM
Perhaps because your observation is opposed to your conclusion. Are you trying to be sarcastic or have you mistyped something? It's a little like saying he was caught red handed and therefore must be innocent. There is something incongruent in your paragraph.

After reading this response, I'm leaning toward sarcasm of Crennel.

No it was not sarcasm of Crennel, I have explained, see above. I really have no idea how well or how bad a Crennel defense is going to perform.

steelbtexan
02-14-2014, 04:12 PM
Nix was able to command double teams in 2012 and was dominant. He got hurt in 2013 and didn't play as well in 2013. I like the fact that Nix is a gamer, playing a few games on a hurt kne to try to help his team. For those that don't like Clowney's putting his family before his team, you should love Nix. I want both Clowney 1-1 and Nix 2-33 if he checks out and the building of the DL will be complete for the next decade.

It does worry me that Nix will be carrying so much weight on a surgically repaired knee.

Marshall
02-14-2014, 04:20 PM
No it was not sarcasm of Crennel, I have explained, see above. I really have no idea how well or how bad a Crennel defense is going to perform.

I already deleted the post. Your response was added after I started writing my post.

bah007
02-14-2014, 04:29 PM
Nix was able to command double teams in 2012 and was dominant. He got hurt in 2013 and didn't play as well in 2013. I like the fact that Nix is a gamer, playing a few games on a hurt kne to try to help his team. For those that don't like Clowney's putting his family before his team, you should love Nix. I want both Clowney 1-1 and Nix 2-33 if he checks out and the building of the DL will be complete for the next decade.

It does worry me that Nix will be carrying so much weight on a surgically repaired knee.

Is there a link to this or this just your rationale for why he didn't put in 100% for his team this year?

CloakNNNdagger
02-14-2014, 08:48 PM
As are some of you, I am constantly searching for bits of info on players. Not much in this article about his actual progress but does go specifically into his meniscus surgery and offers eval from Matt Miller as second round pick. My concern is his weight (345) and if it is bone on bone.

Perhaps CNNND can offer input. Unless he can be said to be ready to play game one, I would not draft him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1955497-closer-look-at-louis-nix-iiis-knee-injury-surgery-heading-into-the-nfl-draft

Back in the middle of December, in response to a request, I posted this about Nix.......it still stands.:

As far as Nix, no mention was made of which meniscus/menisci were torn. But, if accurate, some reports reveal that the surgery involved "repair" not "excision." Repair is a harder longer recovery. What bothers me the most about Nix is that he has been dealing with a chronic case of patellar tendonitis.......the predecessor of patellar tendon rupture, ala our own Cushing and Newton. Being a big man, the condition and potential of rupture is more concerning. If he does eventually rupture, expect a long recovery closer to Newton (who was rushed back and not given enough time to completely rehab)........and we know how that's turned out.


I don't know what 2nd knee surgery the article is talking about........Nix has only undergone ONE knee surgery. As far as the platelet rich plasma injections........(outside of experimentation and investigational purposes) they are strictly for tendonitis problems........there is no evidence in the medical literature that demonstrates that healing of a damaged meniscus cartilage is truly facilitated with such injection. Same for ligaments. For that matter, there is no study in the literature that has been proven that it improves tendonitis in any area but the elbow (extrapolation to other tendons have been just that........extrapolation). Further research in the future may confirm that the effects can be expected in tendonous structures in general.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-14-2014, 08:56 PM
If we go QB I could see Us going TE or OT In the second. I don't see OD being brought back.


Is that you Gary??


Your man... Pots and pans

Playoffs
02-14-2014, 10:32 PM
Back in the middle of December, in response to a request, I posted this about Nix.......it still stands.:
As far as Nix, no mention was made of which meniscus/menisci were torn. But, if accurate, some reports reveal that the surgery involved "repair" not "excision." Repair is a harder longer recovery. What bothers me the most about Nix is that he has been dealing with a chronic case of patellar tendonitis.......the predecessor of patellar tendon rupture, ala our own Cushing and Newton. Being a big man, the condition and potential of rupture is more concerning. If he does eventually rupture, expect a long recovery closer to Newton (who was rushed back and not given enough time to completely rehab)........and we know how that's turned out.
I don't know what 2nd knee surgery the article is talking about........Nix has only undergone ONE knee surgery. As far as the platelet rich plasma injections........(outside of experimentation and investigational purposes) they are strictly for tendonitis problems........there is no evidence in the medical literature that demonstrates that healing of a damaged meniscus cartilage is truly facilitated with such injection. Same for ligaments. For that matter, there is no study in the literature that has been proven that it improves tendonitis in any area but the elbow (extrapolation to other tendons have been just that........extrapolation). Further research in the future may confirm that the effects can be expected in tendonous structures in general.

Not interested in risking that high of a pick on those problems.

beerlover
02-14-2014, 11:06 PM
yes, this is why his stock has tumbled but try to convince a fellow poster who has wanted a legitimate run plugger in the middle of Texan 3-4 for, I don't know how long, maybe inception? then you get a good idea why Ra'Shede Hageman stock has soared even though he looked lost @ times during Senior Bowl week. Otherwise Nix is twice the prospect. :swatter:

WolverineFan
02-15-2014, 11:15 AM
I think Tuitt is much like Watt. His best fit would be a 34 DE but he could spin down to DT on a four man line.

I was comparing him to Watt as far back as last year. He put on some bad weight this year and lost some explosiveness and didn't produce as much. Needs to shed that weight to max out his athleticism.

steelbtexan
02-15-2014, 11:25 AM
Is there a link to this or this just your rationale for why he didn't put in 100% for his team this year?

My rationale

And a very good reason. millions of $$$$$ were at stake.

Would you risk getting injured and losing $$$$$. I know wouldn't.

steelbtexan
02-15-2014, 11:33 AM
Not interested in risking that high of a pick on those problems.

Understood, but nix is a very good/great prospect and without those knee issues there's no way Nix would be available at 33. He probably wont be available at 33 anyway.

leebigeztx
02-15-2014, 05:48 PM
I wont get into a pissing match about nix. I am not sure who said it, but he looks great physically as a nt, but look at the games. For as much as they say mccullers was there, the bama inside with womack and company could not move mccullers. People knocked teo in that championship game, but look further and you will see nix getting blown off the ball which allowed the ol get on the lbs. Ray lewis is one of the greatest ever, but post adams and sirigusa, he was on skates until they drafted ngata. Its vital even in 1 gap to control the gaps.

If it were me and thinking about versitility, I like kelcy quarles. Hes not 330, hes closer to 305, but his frame at 6'4 can easily hold 20lbs. He has long arms, good power and he can also play the nt or 5 tech. Hes probably a mid 3rd to mid 4th. He would give the texans alot of flexibility up front to morph into different fronts. Jmo

steelbtexan
02-15-2014, 10:36 PM
I wont get into a pissing match about nix. I am not sure who said it, but he looks great physically as a nt, but look at the games. For as much as they say mccullers was there, the bama inside with womack and company could not move mccullers. People knocked teo in that championship game, but look further and you will see nix getting blown off the ball which allowed the ol get on the lbs. Ray lewis is one of the greatest ever, but post adams and sirigusa, he was on skates until they drafted ngata. Its vital even in 1 gap to control the gaps.

If it were me and thinking about versitility, I like kelcy quarles. Hes not 330, hes closer to 305, but his frame at 6'4 can easily hold 20lbs. He has long arms, good power and he can also play the nt or 5 tech. Hes probably a mid 3rd to mid 4th. He would give the texans alot of flexibility up front to morph into different fronts. Jmo

I like McCullers a lot too.

The attention given to Clowney made Quarles look like a great prospect. IMHO

I would take Quarles in the 4th as a 5 tech. He's going to test very well at the combine.

leebigeztx
02-16-2014, 07:03 PM
I like McCullers a lot too.

The attention given to Clowney made Quarles look like a great prospect. IMHO

I would take Quarles in the 4th as a 5 tech. He's going to test very well at the combine.

Disagree about clowney enhanciing quarles. He made plays when clowney was dogging it. He made plays vs clemson in clowneys 4.5 sack game that allowed clowney to get those sacks. As I stated before, when a guy was not as productive as clowney was last yr,teams aren't paying that much attention to him. The gamecocks got pro prospect on that dl and in secondary.

badboy
02-26-2014, 12:08 PM
Thanks to doc for his update! I just cannot see selecting any player with bad knees especially for trench warfare. Going to stick with Carrethers and still not a McCullers fan.

mussop
02-26-2014, 04:49 PM
Thanks to doc for his update! I just cannot see selecting any player with bad knees especially for trench warfare. Going to stick with Carrethers and still not a McCullers fan.

McCullers would be fine with me 4th or later considering what he is going to be asked to do.