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ArlingtonTexan
02-10-2014, 07:04 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/10/report-texans-hire-brian-gaine/

b0ng
02-10-2014, 07:16 AM
He was in the running for the Miami GM job, then they went all stupid and he left. Rick Smith haters should love this.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 09:41 AM
It may seem like a surprise for Gaine to even be a candidate since he worked under Ireland in his six years with the team, but Gaine is more of a Bill Parcells protegé than an Ireland protegé. The University of Maine alum spent time on both the Giants' and Jets' practice squads before joining the Jets scouting department in 1999 under Parcells. He then joined Parcells in Dallas in 2005, and again jumped ship when Parcells joined the Dolphins in 2008.

Since then, he has served on both the pro and college side in the Dolphins scouting department. After earning a promotion to assistant GM in 2012, it was announced he would have a more active role in working with Philbin and his staff. If we are to take Ross at his word, the working relationship between Philbin and Gaine should be a point in his favor.

Gaine also has a head start on the Dolphins' scouting process for the 2014 offseason; he is already in Mobile, Ala., leading the team's operation at the Senior Bowl and serving as an interim GM of sorts...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934166-why-brian-gaine-is-the-prime-candidate-for-the-dolphins-vacant-gm-job

HOU-TEX
02-10-2014, 10:21 AM
I've read several good things about this guy on Twitter.

I also saw this chart from PFF. I've questioned the "talent" we supposedly have for a while now. I think we have a small corps of good players, including 2-3 elite players. We aren't surrounding them with much, imo.

This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgH889kCYAA7eQM.png:large

ThaShark316
02-10-2014, 10:42 AM
I've read several good things about this guy on Twitter.

I also saw this chart from PFF. I've questioned the "talent" we supposedly have for a while now. I think we have a small corps of good players, including 2-3 elite players. We aren't surrounding them with much, imo.

This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgH889kCYAA7eQM.png:large

All this chart said was:

Wade got too much credit for Watt, not HARDLY enough criticism for other picks.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 11:06 AM
This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lineup-HOU1.png (https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lineup-HOU1.png)
click for larger

Added b/c Twing PNGs don't show for all browsers

TheIronDuke
02-10-2014, 11:25 AM
I think that chart is pretty good and telling. The only thing I would change is that I think Mercilus is far superior to Brooks Reed, who should be bright red along with McCain, and I think it's hard to tell about Swearinger though I think he'll turn out to be a red after this season.

Hottoddie
02-10-2014, 12:06 PM
Where's the Ninja?

Brisco_County
02-10-2014, 12:14 PM
All this chart said was:

Wade got too much credit for Watt, not HARDLY enough criticism for other picks.

How does Wade get too much credit for Watt?

thunderkyss
02-10-2014, 12:51 PM
I've read several good things about this guy on Twitter.

I also saw this chart from PFF. I've questioned the "talent" we supposedly have for a while now. I think we have a small corps of good players, including 2-3 elite players. We aren't surrounding them with much, imo.

This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with


Of course I've got to be the outlier.

I don't think our talent is that bad... I think we're closer to where we thought we were when "we" thought "we" were a Super Bowl contender.

Winning cures a whole lot of sht..... players we think are poor, will probably still be considered poor. Passable players may become "elite"

I'm with McNair, we're closer to 11-5 in 2014 than 2-14. The right coach & the right QB.... & a little bit of luck.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 01:04 PM
Projected Lineups: Houston Texans (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/10/projected-lineups-houston-texans/)
Where's the Ninja?

Houston’s assumed offensive and defensive lineups with unrestricted free agents removed can be seen in the following graphic.

Key:
- Player markers are colored per class on a five-step ‘Poor’ to ‘High Quality’ scale based on their overall performance and the league’s elite are marked separately in blue.
- Colored outlines suggest a potential change in class.
- Underlined players will be 30+ years old for the 2014 season.
- Red player names suggest injury risks.

Roster Notes

- Because quarterback, Matt Schaub undelivered against expectations to such a degree, it may surprise some we have not rated him lower. He remains though a QB capable of very good individual games (i.e. week one)

- When he’s on the field, inside linebacker Brian Cushing has shown himself to be among the top players at his position but an alarming injury history keeps him just short of elite status.

- Edge rusher, Whitney Mercilus is looking more like a bust with each passing year, but high class performances (such as at home to Seattle and Jacksonville) still give room for hope

- Cornerback Brice McCain showed promise toward the end of the 2011 season, but fell to the point of being our lowest rated CB in coverage in 2013.

2014 Cap Situation

Assuming likely cap space of about $127 M in 2014, without doing a lot of work, they will be very close to that number this year. At this point it appears spending in free agency will at best be limited to one tier two or a couple of tier two free agents and the draft will be the major focus.

Potential Casualties

Letting Matt Schaub walk will save $4M but cutting anyone else that would make a dent could be counter-productive. By and large, the highest paid Texans are the best performers. I don’t, but they may, see the cost of Daniel Manning and Owen Daniels as too high. They can save $4.5M each by cutting them and with Shiloh Keo not a complete disaster at FS, in Manning’s case, it may be too tempting to pass up.

Opportunities from the Roster

David Quessenberry showed something in 189 preseason snaps (178 at LG and 11 at LT) before his injury, so he should have a chance to compete with Ben Jones at LG if the veteran, Wade Smith, is not brought back as expected. He may also be thrown into the mix with 2013 third-round selection Brennan Williams and Derek Newton at right tackle but those three together provide a highly tenuous strategy for the position which has been issue since Eric Winston’s release.

ObsiWan
02-10-2014, 01:07 PM
Where's the Ninja?
That's a damned fine question; where is Antonio Smiff??

Edit:
...The assumption, I guess, is we will be letting him walk. I notice Wade Smith and Ben Tate are not listed either.

Can we get to other teams' diagrams? I'd like to see how the rest of the division projects...


Editing the Edit...
Back to topic: What the hell is this guy supposed to be responsible for anywho??

kiwitexansfan
02-10-2014, 02:28 PM
Editing the Edit...
Back to topic: What the hell is this guy supposed to be responsible for anywho??

Pretty sure he is the guy who assesses the Texans roster and the other players already in the NFL who might be available.

Basically this guy says who we should keep and who we should sign in FA.

steelbtexan
02-10-2014, 04:13 PM
So does this mean Bobby Greier is no longer with the org?

If so, it's about time.

Dutchrudder
02-10-2014, 04:15 PM
So does this mean Bobby Greier is no longer with the org?

If so, it's about time.

Unfortunately, nope...

Bobby Grier Senior Personnel Advisor

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/front-office.html

The Pencil Neck
02-10-2014, 04:29 PM
I've read several good things about this guy on Twitter.

I also saw this chart from PFF. I've questioned the "talent" we supposedly have for a while now. I think we have a small corps of good players, including 2-3 elite players. We aren't surrounding them with much, imo.

This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgH889kCYAA7eQM.png:large

As someone who's color blind, this chart isn't helping me much.

:vincepalm:

_King_
02-10-2014, 04:50 PM
Did not like that Mercilus pick. Just smh at that.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 05:08 PM
I'm wondering who made this hire/how it went down... :hmmm:

Gaine has received some looks at being a GM and is pretty respected around the league as a scout, although I think he's a height, weight, speed guy.

And then this little nugget: Brian Gaine used to play for Kirk Ferentz at Iowa (http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2014/01/23/with-farmer-out-dolphins-assistant-gm-brian-gaine-appears-to-be-favorite-for-top-job/) -- we all know OB flirted w/Ferentz's son Brian weeks ago.

With Gaine being in the Parcells/Belichick/Crennel tree I wonder how much input Rick was given on this?

ObsiWan
02-10-2014, 05:14 PM
As someone who's color blind, this chart isn't helping me much.

:vincepalm:

Not a problem, here ya go...

Sucks ...errr, "Poor Starter"
- D. Newton, OT

Below Avg --> Adequate
- M. Schaub, QB
- D. Posey, WR
- B. Jones, OG
- W. Mercilus, ROLB
- J. Crick, DE
- B. McCain, DB
- E. Mitchell, NT
- B. Reed, LOLB
- D. Swearinger, SS

Adequate --> Solid Starter
- R. Griffen, TE
- O. Daniels, TE
- K. Jackson, CB

Solid --> High Quality Role Player
- D. Hopkins, WR
- B. Brooks, OG
- A. Foster, RB

High Quality or Elite (*)
- A. Johnson, WR*
- J. J. Watt, DL*
- D. Brown, OT
- B. Cushing, ILB
- C. Myers, OC
- J. Joseph, CB

Edit:
Forgot J.J.'s Elite asterisk and put Foster in a higher category than the article did.

WolverineFan
02-10-2014, 05:18 PM
Chart really puts things into perspective. Would love to see how our depth adds up against other teams as well. IMO, the results would be just as bad or worse.

thunderkyss
02-10-2014, 06:31 PM
Have we had a "Director of Pro Personnel" in the past?

steelbtexan
02-10-2014, 06:42 PM
Chart really puts things into perspective. Would love to see how our depth adds up against other teams as well. IMO, the results would be just as bad or worse.

The team was 2-14 for a reason.

No depth at CB/LB/DL was a big reason.

Rick didn't like that Wade played the starters too much. But with no depth he had little choice.

Is that Rick or Wade's fault? Probably a combination of both.

CloakNNNdagger
02-10-2014, 06:43 PM
Have we had a "Director of Pro Personnel" in the past?

Bobby Grier essentially carried same responsibilities with just a different fancy title Senior Personnel Advisor

kiwitexansfan
02-10-2014, 06:48 PM
Chart really puts things into perspective. Would love to see how our depth adds up against other teams as well. IMO, the results would be just as bad or worse.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lineup-WAS2.png

Your wish is granted.

Looks like it will be a regular feature, the Texans were first because we are the worst.

drs23
02-10-2014, 06:52 PM
Have we had a "Director of Pro Personnel" in the past?

Yes. His name was Brian Gardner.

Now his name is Toast. Gone. See ya.

Edit: If Doc's post is correct these guys (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/10/report-texans-hire-brian-gaine/)fubard.

Double Barrel
02-10-2014, 07:10 PM
I've read several good things about this guy on Twitter.

I also saw this chart from PFF. I've questioned the "talent" we supposedly have for a while now. I think we have a small corps of good players, including 2-3 elite players. We aren't surrounding them with much, imo.

This chart kinda shows what Gaine and crew have to work with

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgH889kCYAA7eQM.png:large

That's really cool, man. Thanks for posting it.

Just curious to the general forum, why isn't Duane Brown considered elite? He's often referred to as one of the best LTs in the league.

drs23
02-10-2014, 07:15 PM
That's really cool, man. Thanks for posting it.

Just curious to the general forum, why isn't Duane Brown considered elite? He's often referred to as one of the best LTs in the league.

That caught my eye as well. I figured it was because Duane had a down season because of the turf toe gig he was dealing with and according to Doc, that's pretty tough to shake. I HOPE he's back to the ol' #76 next season.







And so does Theodore. :kitten:

infantrycak
02-10-2014, 07:18 PM
That caught my eye as well. I figured it was because Duane had a down season because of the turf toe gig he was dealing with and according to Doc, that's pretty tough to shake. I HOPE he's back to the ol' #76 next season.

That was my take as well. Hopefully he returns to form.

mussop
02-10-2014, 08:40 PM
That was my take as well. Hopefully he returns to form.

Mine as well. This is why we should consider a OT with a high pick. He can start at RT and if Brown continues this decline can become his eventual replacement. I would not be surprised to see two OTs taken in this draft. Our OL and defensive front seven should dominate this draft.

aussie_texan
02-10-2014, 08:49 PM
every time i see this guys name i read it as blaine gabbert. not a good omen.

infantrycak
02-10-2014, 09:02 PM
Mine as well. This is why we should consider a OT with a high pick. He can start at RT and if Brown continues this decline can become his eventual replacement. I would not be surprised to see two OTs taken in this draft. Our OL and defensive front seven should dominate this draft.

Brown was hampered by an injury.

kiwitexansfan
02-10-2014, 09:20 PM
every time i see this guys name i read it as blaine gabbert. not a good omen.

I'd rather Blaine Gabbert be my Director of Pro Personnel than my starting QB.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 09:33 PM
...why isn't Duane Brown considered elite? He's often referred to as one of the best LTs in the league.

Brown was hampered by an injury.

Yes, injury hurt DB's performance in 2013 as he rated 22nd/76 OTs overall (>25% team snaps).

He was rated 5th in 2011 and 2nd in 2012. Browns second half of 2013 was much better than his first, and he only had two poor games -- one being awful vs. SD week 1.

steelbtexan
02-10-2014, 10:40 PM
Mine as well. This is why we should consider a OT with a high pick. He can start at RT and if Brown continues this decline can become his eventual replacement. I would not be surprised to see two OTs taken in this draft. Our OL and defensive front seven should dominate this draft.

Brown spent most of his time covering for Wade Smith's bad play. Then suffered turf toe and Brown still wasn't terrible.

imatexan
02-10-2014, 10:40 PM
So Arian is ranked 3rd on a scale of 6 so he is average now?

I don't buy it.

steelbtexan
02-10-2014, 10:42 PM
So Arian is ranked 3rd on a scale of 6 so he is average now?

I don't buy it.

Coming off of a back injury I would be happy with an avg Foster.

imatexan
02-10-2014, 10:44 PM
Coming off of a back injury I would be happy with an avg Foster.

An average Foster or an average running back?

Those are 2 different things.

otisbean
02-11-2014, 07:07 AM
There's no way Foster isn't a high quality starter.

beerlover
02-11-2014, 07:51 AM
Interesting side not the Atlanta Falcons hired Pioli as Assistant GM of the Falcons on January 22, 2014. He is reuniting with current GM Thomas Dimitroff after previously working together for years in the Patriots organization.

Anyways see Gaine as still young with a bright future from something near & dear to my heat, actually being scout, it all comes down to player evaluation. Rick is so smooth in his delivery, has had his share of hits & probably gets a pass since he was just doing Gary's bidding but Brian Gaine has an excellent opportunity to move higher if powers that be decide its time to cut completely fresh & start a new slate. Politics won't save anyone on this side of the business only results. :polevault:

steelbtexan
02-11-2014, 09:35 AM
Interesting side not the Atlanta Falcons hired Pioli as Assistant GM of the Falcons on January 22, 2014. He is reuniting with current GM Thomas Dimitroff after previously working together for years in the Patriots organization.

Anyways see Gaine as still young with a bright future from something near & dear to my heat, actually being scout, it all comes down to player evaluation. Rick is so smooth in his delivery, has had his share of hits & probably gets a pass since he was just doing Gary's bidding but Brian Gaine has an excellent opportunity to move higher if powers that be decide its time to cut completely fresh & start a new slate. Politics won't save anyone on this side of the business only results. :polevault:

Hope you're right BL.

Something tell me the good ole boy network will survive.

Bobby Greir/Coach Joe/David Gibbs etc..... Heck even Rick still has a job.

Hervoyel
02-11-2014, 12:13 PM
There's no way Foster isn't a high quality starter.

Oh yes there is. Last season he was hurt and he had surgery on his back. There's a significant chance that we may never see the Arian Foster we think of as a "high quality starter" again. There's also plenty of reason to hope we will.

It's still up in the air whether last season was an aberration or the first year in his inevitable decline. After the 2005 season plenty of people thought Dominck Williams (Davis) was a high quality starter too. He never played again.

Just got to wait and see. I thought they were generous and mostly optimistic in rating him a solid starter in light of the circumstances.

ObsiWan
02-11-2014, 12:25 PM
There's no way Foster isn't a high quality starter.

Right now, I don't even know if Foster will return to his previous level of performance.
or even scarier - to me anyway - if he'll return at all...
:headhurts:

Edit: Didn't see Herv's reply. He has the same worries I do on the subject.

infantrycak
02-11-2014, 01:02 PM
It's still up in the air whether last season was an aberration or the first year in his inevitable decline.

Agree with your overall post, but just going to point out even hampered last year his ypc was the highest its been since 2010.

ChampionTexan
02-11-2014, 03:10 PM
Projected Lineups: Houston Texans (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/10/projected-lineups-houston-texans/)

Houston’s assumed offensive and defensive lineups with unrestricted free agents removed can be seen in the following graphic.

So is it a mistake that Earl Mitchell's included in this, or is there some reason I'm not aware of that he's not going to be an URFA come March 11th?

HOU-TEX
02-11-2014, 03:15 PM
So is it a mistake that Earl Mitchell's included in this, or is there some reason I'm not aware of that he's not going to be an URFA come March 11th?

I reckon it's a mistake. He'll be an UFA in exactly 4 weeks

He might be a semi hot commodity from what Caplan's tweeted

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl · 12m
Earl Mitchell could be this year's Ricky Jean-Francois (8.5 M guaranteed, $5.5 M Apy). Every year are a few surprise deals in free agency.

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl · 24m
Agree with former #Buccaneers GM Mark Dominik: DT Earl Mitchell is a good value for free agency. Better fit for 4-3?

Playoffs
02-11-2014, 03:49 PM
So is it a mistake that Earl Mitchell's included in this, or is there some reason I'm not aware of that he's not going to be an URFA come March 11th?

Yes, fixed.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lineup-HOU.png (https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lineup-HOU.png)
click for larger

TheIronDuke
02-11-2014, 04:22 PM
How is Arian Foster dinged down to solid starter because of injuries but Cushing, who is way more injury-prone, isn't? I'd downgrade Cushing for sure.

Playoffs
02-11-2014, 04:34 PM
How is Arian Foster dinged down to solid starter because of injuries...Foster was rated 34th/59 RBs in 2012 and 23rd/55 in injury-shortened 2013. (>25% team snaps)


...but Cushing, who is way more injury-prone, isn't? I'd downgrade Cushing for sure.
Key:
...
- Red player names suggest injury risks.

imatexan
02-11-2014, 04:43 PM
Oh yes there is. Last season he was hurt and he had surgery on his back. There's a significant chance that we may never see the Arian Foster we think of as a "high quality starter" again. There's also plenty of reason to hope we will.

It's still up in the air whether last season was an aberration or the first year in his inevitable decline. After the 2005 season plenty of people thought Dominck Williams (Davis) was a high quality starter too. He never played again.

Just got to wait and see. I thought they were generous and mostly optimistic in rating him a solid starter in light of the circumstances.

Foster was far better than Domanick Williams ever was.

That is kind of the point I am getting at, just because he is injured one season ,as many players in football are, suddenly he is average with disregard to his level of talent.

steelbtexan
02-11-2014, 04:47 PM
Oh yes there is. Last season he was hurt and he had surgery on his back. There's a significant chance that we may never see the Arian Foster we think of as a "high quality starter" again. There's also plenty of reason to hope we will.

It's still up in the air whether last season was an aberration or the first year in his inevitable decline. After the 2005 season plenty of people thought Dominck Williams (Davis) was a high quality starter too. He never played again.

Just got to wait and see. I thought they were generous and mostly optimistic in rating him a solid starter in light of the circumstances.

How quickly people forget.

Man, this franchise is just repeating itself.

steelbtexan
02-11-2014, 04:49 PM
How is Arian Foster dinged down to solid starter because of injuries but Cushing, who is way more injury-prone, isn't? I'd downgrade Cushing for sure.

Back injuries are a different animal.

Marshall
02-11-2014, 05:06 PM
That's a damned fine question; where is Antonio Smiff??

Edit:
...The assumption, I guess, is we will be letting him walk. I notice Wade Smith and Ben Tate are not listed either.

Can we get to other teams' diagrams? I'd like to see how the rest of the division projects...


Editing the Edit...
Back to topic: What the hell is this guy supposed to be responsible for anywho??

Free Agents aren't under contract. The chart represents what we have under contract in 2014. It is a starting point for determining what we need and then we work toward filling those needs from signing FAs including our own, trades, and draft picks. It is also a chart for starters and does not incorporate packages or depth. Do not read too much or too little into the chart.

Marshall
02-11-2014, 05:12 PM
So is it a mistake that Earl Mitchell's included in this, or is there some reason I'm not aware of that he's not going to be an URFA come March 11th?
It's either a mistake or Mitchell is a restricted FA.

Marshall
02-11-2014, 05:18 PM
So is it a mistake that Earl Mitchell's included in this, or is there some reason I'm not aware of that he's not going to be an URFA come March 11th?

I guess it's been corrected since Terrell McClain, a Restricted Free Agent is at NT now.

thunderkyss
02-11-2014, 05:41 PM
How is Arian Foster dinged down to solid starter because of injuries but Cushing, who is way more injury-prone, isn't? I'd downgrade Cushing for sure.

Which is why I wonder why so many people are so worried about "signing Watt"

By the time it's even an issue, he'll probably have turf toe or something & they'll turn on him just like they turned on Cush, Foster, & Schaub.




:kitten:

Maybe I shouldn't have added Schaub in that group.

steelbtexan
02-11-2014, 05:44 PM
Which is why I wonder why so many people are so worried about "signing Watt"

By the time it's even an issue, he'll probably have turf toe or something & they'll turn on him just like they turned on Cush, Foster, & Schaub.




:kitten:

Maybe I shouldn't have added Schaub in that group.

It's not turning on them. It's a business. Or atleast it is for the teams that are run correctly.

Playoffs
02-11-2014, 10:33 PM
I wonder how much input he had on this...

Miami Dolphins 2013 draft
Round Pick Position Player College
(1) 3 DE Dion Jordan Oregon
(2) 54 CB Jamar Taylor Boise State
(3) 77 G Dallas Thomas Tennessee
(3) 93 CB Will Davis Utah State
(4) 104 LB Jelani Jenkins Florida
(4) 106 TE Dion Sims Michigan State
(5) 164 RB Mike Gillislee Florida
(5) 166 K Caleb Sturgis Florida
(7) 250 S Don Jones Arkansas State
Post-draft grade: B-

Summary: As I wrote in April, the Dolphins didn't have to give up a lot to move from No. 12 to No. 3, but it put an extra onus on them to get some value with that pick. And while Jordan flashes a ton of ability, he was highly ranked on my board, and we really don't know if he can stay on the field in a starter's role long term. He was a situational player who was on the field for about 30 percent of snaps as a rookie, during which he showed he can get to the QB. But if you're on the sideline that often, we have to take it into account because that's your coaches concealing things you can't do. After that? Well, there's not much to evaluate. I'm not sure any team in the NFL saw less from a rookie class. Sturgis did a decent job at kicker, but it's quiet elsewhere. This draft doesn't look as hot a year later, but Jordan has talent.

New grade: D+Kiper: Regrading the 2013 NFL draft (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10324666/nfl-mel-kiper-regrading-2013-nfl-draft)

TheIronDuke
02-12-2014, 07:45 AM
Can you post the Texans regrade, Playoffs?

Lucky
02-12-2014, 08:29 AM
I wonder how much input he had on this...

Kiper: Regrading the 2013 NFL draft (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10324666/nfl-mel-kiper-regrading-2013-nfl-draft)
Pro personnel guys are responsible for the FA signings. The college scouting department has the influence for the draft. The Dolphins made some good FA signings in 2013 (Wallace, Grimes, Ellerbe, Keller). Wallace was overpriced and Keller was hurt in preseason. Still, a solid FA class.

Playoffs
02-12-2014, 09:47 AM
Can you post the Texans regrade, Playoffs?Sure:

Post-draft grade: B

Summary: In April I wrote: "I thought the Texans would go with DeAndre Hopkins at No. 27, and they did. Andre Johnson will be 32 in Week 1 of this season, and soaked up an absurd 58 percent of their wide receiver targets in 2012. Hopkins gives them a legit No. 2." I think that stands up pretty well, the only problem being what happened with the guys throwing Johnson and Hopkins the ball. But Hopkins still finished with 802 yards receiving, second among all rookies. Swearinger was also a starter and, by the end of the season, a pretty good one at strong safety. Elsewhere, Griffin caught some passes late, and undrafted Dennis Johnson got some run. Assuming Hopkins and Swearinger are long-term starters and potentially good players, this draft is pretty decent.

New grade: B


Pro personnel guys are responsible for the FA signings. The college scouting department has the influence for the draft. The Dolphins made some good FA signings in 2013 (Wallace, Grimes, Ellerbe, Keller). Wallace was overpriced and Keller was hurt in preseason. Still, a solid FA class.

Gaine was Assistant GM in Miami, not sure what his duties encompassed there.

speedfreek
02-12-2014, 10:21 AM
Read it as

"Brain Drain new Director of Pro Personnel"

initially and had to do a double take..

:boogereater:

Lucky
02-12-2014, 04:38 PM
Gaine was Assistant GM in Miami, not sure what his duties encompassed there.
He will be on the Pro side here, so I'm not why the Fins draft is relevant now since that's not his job description in Houston.

Also, hasn't Kiper said in the past that it takes 3 years before a draft could be rated? Then he gives ratings right after the draft and a year later? His own evaluation was off on Miami, as he thought it was a B- right after, but now it's a D-. Sounds like he missed as badly as the Dolphins did (though really it's too early to tell).

ArlingtonTexan
02-12-2014, 05:07 PM
He will be on the Pro side here, so I'm not why the Fins draft is relevant now since that's not his job description in Houston.

Also, hasn't Kiper said in the past that it takes 3 years before a draft could be rated? Then he gives ratings right after the draft and a year later? His own evaluation was off on Miami, as he thought it was a B- right after, but now it's a D-. Sounds like he missed as badly as the Dolphins did (though really it's too early to tell).

The draft guys have to produce content in order to keep jobs. Most of the draft talk is pretty empty at the end of the day. As you stated, most people understand that it is at least two if not three years before anyone really knows what a draft has really meant to an organization. Grades are something for readers to react to versus anything that have true value.

Also, does anyone think that NFL teams take any little piece of information (good or bad) on a single player and run to this largely mythical draft board and move a player up and down?

And mock drafts, are again just content drivers. These draftniks know that they (even with league contacts) are largely guessing and will be more likely than not wrong as spit. The only reason for me to read those is to learn prospects for the Texans and fantasy football.

Hottoddie
02-12-2014, 05:30 PM
I'm assuming we're moving away from the ZBS this year. If that's the case, given how he was treated like a rag doll by the Jets several years ago, would Myers still be considered a "High Quality Starter" for us?

thunderkyss
02-12-2014, 05:48 PM
I'm assuming we're moving away from the ZBS this year. If that's the case, given how he was treated like a rag doll by the Jets several years ago, would Myers still be considered a "High Quality Starter" for us?

I wouldn't be so sure we're moving away from the ZBS, O'Brien's first choice for OL coach has a strong background in ZBS, OB's second choice was his first choice's son.

The Pencil Neck
02-13-2014, 05:41 PM
I'm assuming we're moving away from the ZBS this year. If that's the case, given how he was treated like a rag doll by the Jets several years ago, would Myers still be considered a "High Quality Starter" for us?

Like TKyss said, don't make that assumption. Although the offense will be different, it will still use a variation of the zone blocking system. It just won't be as pure as the Gibbs variation; otoh, Kubiak's wasn't as pure as the Gibbs variation, either.

thunderkyss
02-13-2014, 06:08 PM
Like TKyss said, don't make that assumption. Although the offense will be different, it will still use a variation of the zone blocking system. It just won't be as pure as the Gibbs variation; otoh, Kubiak's wasn't as pure as the Gibbs variation, either.

Chris has also been working out since then.

http://www.houstontexans.com/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/In_Story_Photos_400_190/580mya.jpg

Brisco_County
02-13-2014, 08:21 PM
I'm assuming we're moving away from the ZBS this year. If that's the case, given how he was treated like a rag doll by the Jets several years ago, would Myers still be considered a "High Quality Starter" for us?

That play, and even that season, is not indicative of how reliable and skilled Myers is. We're still good at that position.