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02-07-2014, 11:34 AM
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock (https://twitter.com/JaysonBraddock/status/431804622999519233)
I've finished viewing 6 QBs in this draft class: Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, Brett Smith, Carr, & McCarron. Here's the top 5 out of those.

1) Brett Smith - Wyoming
2) Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
3) Blake Bortles - UCF
4) Derek Carr -Fresno St
5) Johnny Manziel -Texas A&M


http://standingosports.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Brett-Smith.jpg

The 6-foot-3, 206-pound junior leaves behind school records for total offense (10,365 yards), touchdowns (97) and touchdown passes (76). He also holds the Mountain West and Wyoming record for total yards in a game (640) and is second in school history with 8,834 passing yards.

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To evaluate where Smith will likely be drafted and where he needs to improve, the Star-Tribune on Saturday spoke with CBS and NFLDraftScout.com analyst Dane Brugler, quarterback evaluator Benjamin Allbright and ESPN Denver NFL Insider Cecil Lammey.

The consensus is that if Smith impresses in workouts, interviews and finally at the NFL Combine, he will likely be selected somewhere between the second and fourth round in the NFL Draft taking place May 8-10.

Enough with the news. Now for the analysis. Following is a Q&A between the Star-Tribune and Brugler, Allbright and Lammey, concerning Smith's NFL future.

Casper Star-Tribune: As of right now, where do you see Brett Smith falling in the 2014 NFL Draft?

Dane Brugler: Scouts have told me they've given him second-day grades, which is the same grade I gave him. And I'd expect him to be drafted somewhere in the 2nd-4th round range.

Benjamin Allbright: If he has an outstanding combine and interviews he could go as high as the second round. I’d put him in that second to fourth round range, where he fits right now. I like him. Brett’s a guy I saw his freshman year and I knew right away he was a guy who was going to play in the league (NFL) someday.

Cecil Lammey: Right now most scouts I talk to consider Smith a third-round pick. That could climb if he performs well in the pre-draft process (Scouting Combine, Pro Day).

Star-Tribune: Based on what you’ve seen, where do you think Smith falls among the quarterbacks that are expected to come out in this draft class?

Brugler: To me, Smith is a more controlled version of (2012 Heisman Trophy Winner) Johnny Manziel. So I'd much rather have Smith than Manziel and I can get Smith in the 2nd-3rd round while if you want Manziel, you need to take him top-15 because someone will take him that high. Smith is the first underclassman QB to declare so time will tell where he falls in the QB pecking order, but he'll be behind Teddy Bridgewater and a few others.

Allbright: (Louisville’s) Teddy Bridgewater is going to go ahead of him. (Fresno State’s) Derek Carr is probably going to go ahead of him. You’re probably looking mid-to-late first round for Carr. I think you look at some of these other guys that are out there and Brett has a good chance to be anywhere from the fourth or fifth quarterback taken up to about the eighth.

Lammey: I currently have Smith as my number six QB in this year's draft class. I have him ahead of other well-known quarterbacks like Tajh Boyd (Clemson), Aaron Murray (Georgia) and Zach Mettenberger (LSU).

Star-Tribune: What do you think Smith’s strengths and weaknesses are heading to the next level?

Brugler: STRENGTHS: Average height and body type … better athlete than given credit – deceiving speed and runs like his hair is on fire … scans quickly and holds the ball as long as possible … recognizes soft spots in coverage pre-snap … extremely tough and gutsy … elusive in the pocket to avoid the rush … extremely quick feet and always appears under control.

WEAKNESSES: Lazy decisions at times, will throw into tight coverage hoping for a play … extremely confident, but almost to a fault as he tests tight spaces too often … accuracy tends to dip when throwing on the run…gets jumpy and skittish in the pocket … good enough arm strength but lacks elite velocity especially when he can’t step into his throws.

Allbright: He reads the field so quickly. And I don’t mean to dog anyone, but that Wyoming offensive line is terrible. He doesn’t have a lot of time back there, and given that the field is so spread out because of the system (former Wyoming coach Dave) Christensen liked to run, the defensive line was able to kind of pin their ears back and not really worry about the run. He reads the field very well and he has a very quick release, which are things that you can’t really teach. Of course, the athleticism is a huge strength as well.

On the downside, he struggles a little to throw on the run. But then again, who doesn’t? He doesn’t have the strongest arm in the draft. He’s certainly not a Carr or a Mettenberger as far as that goes. But he’s got adequate velocity. I think the gunslinger attitude he operates with will serve him well in the league. He tries to squeeze the ball in places where maybe he shouldn’t sometimes, but in the league you’d rather have a guy try to take a chance than not.

Lammey: Strengths — mobility, understands coverage pre-snap, is able to go through reads quickly, will scan the entire field before taking off to run, not rattled by pressure, high football intelligence, leader. Weaknesses — sometimes too bold, will attack small windows when perhaps a check down is best, accuracy suffers when throwing on the run, too thin right now.
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Star-Tribune: Smith is going to have a busy next few months, with the NFL Combine and his pro day and interviews. What do you think he needs to show to improve his draft stock?

Brugler: It's easy to see Smith's competitive spirit on the field and scouts and NFL teams will want to see that same attitude off the field when it comes to the film room and X's and O's so he should interview really well and win over coaches with his competitive mentality and winning mind-set. I know he puts the work in off the field so Smith might surprise some when he runs in the 4.6 range in the 40 and it wouldn't surprise me if he decides to do the bench press even though QBs often skip that drill. The pre-draft process is important for every player, but especially true for quarterbacks from the non-heavyweight conferences.

Allbright: The main thing is going to be the stuff that’s behind the scenes, the measurables. In the interviews, people are going to want to know some things that are medical. As for concussions, he’s had one official concussion and it’s been hinted that there’s been one or two others. That’s going to be something he’s going to need to clear up. Concussion history is very heightened in the modern NFL.

Then there’s how tall he’s going to measure in. He’s listed at 6-3, and he’s probably going to come in at 6-2 and a half. He definitely needs to do that. You don’t want to come in any lower than that. And a big thing not many people talk about is hand size. I don’t know what Brett’s hand size is, and we’re talking about the measurement from your pinky to your thumb if you spread your hand out. That has to do with how well you can grip a football at the pro level, if you can grip it cleanly. Guys with small hands just don’t succeed.

Lammey: Smith has to bulk up as much as he can. He has the arm to make all the throws in the NFL, but he needs to show better velocity on long passes. Deep passes tend to sail a bit when his feet aren't set.

TexansFTW
02-07-2014, 11:44 AM
That's quite an interesting take. You would think if he's that good he would have been allowed to attend the combine and not be a snub, even if he is an underclassman.

IDEXAN
02-07-2014, 12:57 PM
Brett Smith of Wyoming is the best QB in this Draft ? Who's to say that's not the case because it's so difficult to assess a college QBs chances of making it in the NFL as so many mistakes have been made by people who supposedly are "experts". Who knows, maybe this guy is the Texans "franchise QB" ?

mussop
02-07-2014, 01:07 PM
I was actually going to start a thread about Smith last night. It got to late and had my grandson to take care of. I've watched a few of his games and he's kinda a poor mans Manziel.

TexansFTW
02-07-2014, 01:13 PM
Who is Jayson Braddock? I did a lazy Google search and it said NFL scout and a sports radio guy for Houston ( I think most are idiots BTW), but there was no Wiki page to sum up everything for me.

I'm not familiar with him.

I noticed he's not on this chart:

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml

Anyone more familiar with him that can weigh in before I completely dismiss him as a guy just reaching out for attention?

HJam72
02-07-2014, 01:43 PM
So, if you're double jointed and can really bend out your pinky and/or thumb, you are a better QB? :gamer:

Playoffs
02-07-2014, 02:12 PM
Who is Jayson Braddock?

Media/radio guy, NFL & draft analyst, been doing it for some time now -- 10+ years? Jason never falls prey to group-think. Has unique, yet valid takes that have rung true for me often over the years.

Watch Smith's tape. There's something to work with there. Has concussion history.

TexansFTW
02-07-2014, 03:35 PM
Media/radio guy, NFL & draft analyst, been doing it for some time now -- 10+ years? Jason never falls prey to group-think. Has unique, yet valid takes that have rung true for me often over the years.

He should have made that list I posted then if he was any good. I do like guys that form their own opinions probably more than most, but I want to see some credibility to it being backed up though.

Watch Smith's tape.

Nope. lol. I'll take your word that he's a pretty credible QB though.

bah007
02-07-2014, 04:30 PM
I'm higher on Smith than most people but I think he's a late 2nd round prospect at best. I have him at the top of the 3rd round. He could be everything that Manziel is supposed to be or he could totally flame out. The coaching he gets at the next level is essential. He is raw.

I wouldn't call him a poor man's Manziel. I'd just call him an even less developed Manziel. Both have the potential to be a Jeff Garcia (Manziel) or Mark Brunell (Smith) type of QB if they develop correctly, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. I would say Manziel has a higher floor. At worst, I think Manziel could still make an impact in a three year window. Smith needs to be brought along slowly.

Corrosion
02-07-2014, 06:56 PM
I'm higher on Smith than most people but I think he's a late 2nd round prospect at best. I have him at the top of the 3rd round. He could be everything that Manziel is supposed to be or he could totally flame out. The coaching he gets at the next level is essential. He is raw.

I wouldn't call him a poor man's Manziel. I'd just call him an even less developed Manziel. Both have the potential to be a Jeff Garcia (Manziel) or Mark Brunell (Smith) type of QB if they develop correctly, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. I would say Manziel has a higher floor. At worst, I think Manziel could still make an impact in a three year window. Smith needs to be brought along slowly.

There are a few of us (myself & Steebtexan included) who are high on Smith.

I have him in the top 75 prospects but at this point think he could be had in the early portion of the 4th round mainly because he has flown under the radar for the most part tho that could change if he shows well at the combine.

There isn't much he's missing other than a cannon arm.

I agree Manziel (and TB , BB) has the higher floor .... but who has the higher ceiling ?!

bah007
02-07-2014, 07:11 PM
There are a few of us (myself & Steebtexan included) who are high on Smith.

I have him in the top 75 prospects but at this point think he could be had in the early portion of the 4th round mainly because he has flown under the radar for the most part tho that could change if he shows well at the combine.

There isn't much he's missing other than a cannon arm.

I agree Manziel (and TB , BB) has the higher floor .... but who has the higher ceiling ?!

I didn't mean to insinuate that nobody else likes him, just that most people have no clue who he is or have at least never seen him. He's definitely under the radar.

I have him at #78. Smith's ceiling is probably similar to Manziel's but he is much cheaper.

steelbtexan
02-07-2014, 10:14 PM
I don't have a big board right now. But if I did I would guess Smith would be in the 55-65 range. I am higher on him than most. Guess what the knock on Montana was coming out of college? Good not great arm strength/tried to make things happen that weren't there.

badboy
02-07-2014, 10:46 PM
Seems like we are going to need a much better Oline & coaching regardless of whom is the QB + we better have a good RB back there. I hope someone on Texans is a really good talent evaluator.

bah007
02-07-2014, 10:47 PM
Smith is way more similar to Manziel than people think or want to admit.

He is an above average athlete at QB, not quite as good as Manziel. He bails the pocket early just like Manziel does, although he does seem a little bit more comfortable standing in there. Makes plays with his feet but is too reliant on his athleticism instead of his arm, just like Manziel.

He is an accurate passer, on the same level as Manziel. He has a strong enough arm, not as strong as Manziel's. He seems more comfortable letting it fly than he does reading the defense and finding the correct read, a trait that Manziel also shares. He's a gunslinger with a lot of confidence, often making throws he shouldn't just because he thinks he can. Another thing he has in common with Manziel.

He plays in a simplified offense, but probably not to the degree that Manziel does. Either way, they both have a lot of ground to make up in that category.

I like his size better than Manziel's. They are about even as far as their mental development. What makes Manziel better for me is that he has similar but slightly better physical tools plus he consistently helped drag his team to wins, and against far superior competition. Smith had almost no help at Wyoming but you would've liked to see better results. Plus, Manziel only has about three bad games on tape in two years. Smith has about six in the same time span.

steelbtexan
02-07-2014, 11:03 PM
Smith is way more similar to Manziel than people think or want to admit.

He is an above average athlete at QB, not quite as good as Manziel. He bails the pocket early just like Manziel does, although he does seem a little bit more comfortable standing in there. Makes plays with his feet but is too reliant on his athleticism instead of his arm, just like Manziel.

He is an accurate passer, on the same level as Manziel. He has a strong enough arm, not as strong as Manziel's. He seems more comfortable letting it fly than he does reading the defense and finding the correct read, a trait that Manziel also shares. He's a gunslinger with a lot of confidence, often making throws he shouldn't just because he thinks he can. Another thing he has in common with Manziel.

He plays in a simplified offense, but probably not to the degree that Manziel does. Either way, they both have a lot of ground to make up in that category.

I like his size better than Manziel's. They are about even as far as their mental development. What makes Manziel better for me is that he has similar but slightly better physical tools plus he consistently helped drag his team to wins, and against far superior competition. Smith had almost no help at Wyoming but you would've liked to see better results. Plus, Manziel only has about three bad games on tape in two years. Smith has about six in the same time span.

Agreed,

You've watced more of Smith than I have. But the reasons stated above is why I would rather have Smith at 55-65 than any QB at 1-1. What do JM/Smith also have in common? Great footwork and accuracy.

The competition thingy isn't a deal breaker for me at 3-1.

badboy
02-07-2014, 11:06 PM
The gunslinger image is interesting depending on how it is defined. Old West gunfighters' reps were made on being faster but actually, it was about being successful. You could be faster and miss the target and lose the "game". For many it was a point and shoot with little thinking from what I understand. From what I've seen of Manziel he just has a "feeling" or as it has been identified as "spidey sense". Can't be explained, just seems to work for the most part. If he can make another step forward as he did before this last season, he could be one of a kind. Tune down the rush to rush (and he did that better this season) behind a line he feels comfortable with and that would eliminate my biggest objection. I have not watched Smith, could the same be said about him?

bah007
02-07-2014, 11:13 PM
Agreed,

You've watced more of Smith than I have. But the reasons stated above is why I would rather have Smith at 55-65 than any QB at 1-1. What do JM/Smith also have in common? Great footwork and accuracy.

The competition thingy isn't a deal breaker for me at 3-1.

It shouldn't be a deal breaker. I have two issues though.

There is no guarantee that he is there at 3-1. So if he's your guy you have to take him at 2-1 or trade up from 3-1 into the 2nd round to be sure you get him. I'm okay with that if O'Brien needs to have him.

I also think he needs one year minimum holding a clipboard, preferably two. Not only is he facing a huge mental jump like Manziel, but he is also facing a huge jump in competition. I'm okay with that too. I actually prefer that, but it does fly in the face of McNair's "win now" mantra.

Corrosion
02-08-2014, 01:40 AM
. Tune down the rush to rush (and he did that better this season) behind a line he feels comfortable with and that would eliminate my biggest objection. I have not watched Smith, could the same be said about him?

Yes the same could apply to Smith.

He may as well have played behind the OL HHWNBM did in the commercial that didn't have an OL ..... they were that bad. You put this guy behind a bottom third of the NFL line and he'd probably think it was a luxury ....

Add to that the fact that the offense was wide open , defenders didn't have to respect the run at all meaning they could just pin their ears back and attack the passer. Smith had to let it fly or .... get gone.

I think some of that gunslinger talk the scouts mention comes from the fact that he didn't get a lot of time to process information , he had to make those decisions instantly.


What he did against Nebraska , despite the difference in talent was pretty impressive even if they did eventually lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL-kzFIMqE

Corrosion
02-08-2014, 03:04 AM
No combine invite for Brett Smith .... That's got to sting.


I really wonder how many NFL guy's show up at Wyoming's pro day. (Do they even have one ?)

Marshall
02-08-2014, 07:48 AM
Seems like we are going to need a much better Oline & coaching regardless of whom is the QB + we better have a good RB back there. I hope someone on Texans is a really good talent evaluator.
Has everybody decided that Foster is though?

LikeMike
02-08-2014, 08:37 AM
I know we have several holes, but I wouldn´t be against going the Redskins route and drafting 2 QBs. One with the top pikc (probably Bridgewater) and one with our 4th rounder. If Smith is available then, he would be a very intriguing prospect. Mettenberger would be another one that could slip because of his injury.

But gambling on Smith with our 2nd rounder or 3d rounder without haven taken another QB earlier would be too risky for me.

mussop
02-08-2014, 12:43 PM
Has everybody decided that Foster is though?

I have. With his injury history and all this crap going on in his personal life I have very little confidence in him. IMO we should trade him for a draft pick. There are a lot of really good RB's in this draft.

steelbtexan
02-08-2014, 02:36 PM
It shouldn't be a deal breaker. I have two issues though.

There is no guarantee that he is there at 3-1. So if he's your guy you have to take him at 2-1 or trade up from 3-1 into the 2nd round to be sure you get him. I'm okay with that if O'Brien needs to have him.

I also think he needs one year minimum holding a clipboard, preferably two. Not only is he facing a huge mental jump like Manziel, but he is also facing a huge jump in competition. I'm okay with that too. I actually prefer that, but it does fly in the face of McNair's "win now" mantra.

I would trade up into the bottom of the 2nd. Get Cassel on a 2yr deal. Regardless of whether one of the top 3 QB's are taken or not this is going to be a 3 yr rebuild (McNair is just trying to placate the fanbase) Smith should hold a clipboard next yr and start in the middle of 2015.

Playoffs
02-08-2014, 04:13 PM
I really wonder how many NFL guy's show up at Wyoming's pro day. (Do they even have one ?)

They may combine with other(s) but Robert Herron, Marqueston Huff, and Smith should generate some interest.

Corrosion
02-08-2014, 04:45 PM
I would trade up into the bottom of the 2nd. Get Cassel on a 2yr deal. Regardless of whether one of the top 3 QB's are taken or not this is going to be a 3 yr rebuild (McNair is just trying to placate the fanbase) Smith should hold a clipboard next yr and start in the middle of 2015.

I want nothing to do with Cassel .... Dude was abysmal this season.

WolverineFan
02-08-2014, 05:20 PM
They may combine with other(s) but Robert Herron, Marqueston Huff, and Smith should generate some interest.

I'm a big fan of Herron and I like Huff. Smith is a project.

leebigeztx
02-08-2014, 05:52 PM
How are u not 2:1 td:int ratio in college? Especially in the wac or whatever conf wyoming is in.

mussop
02-08-2014, 06:23 PM
How are u not 2:1 td:int ratio in college? Especially in the wac or whatever conf wyoming is in.

29td 11int??????

Playoffs
02-08-2014, 06:28 PM
How are u not 2:1 td:int ratio in college? Especially in the wac or whatever conf wyoming is in.29td 11int??????

http://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/stupid-counting.gif

thunderkyss
02-09-2014, 09:08 AM
I would trade up into the bottom of the 2nd. Get Cassel on a 2yr deal. Regardless of whether one of the top 3 QB's are taken or not this is going to be a 3 yr rebuild (McNair is just trying to placate the fanbase) Smith should hold a clipboard next yr and start in the middle of 2015.

This team is in better shape now than we were after the 2010 debacle. The biggest thing we're lacking is the "want to" the mental toughness McNair is looking for. If OB, Crennel, & Vrabel can bring the "want to" I think we can have an 11-5 season like the Colts did after their 2-14 season, like Kansas City after their 2-14 season.

But...... I've been accused of being a little naive at times.

leebigeztx
02-09-2014, 01:53 PM
29td 11int??????


My bad, I thought it said 97tds and 76 ints,lol

steelbtexan
02-09-2014, 11:41 PM
How are u not 2:1 td:int ratio in college? Especially in the wac or whatever conf wyoming is in.

Have you seen Wyoming play?

Corrosion
02-09-2014, 11:45 PM
Have you seen Wyoming play?

Where's the OL ? ... What OL ?

Playoffs
02-09-2014, 11:56 PM
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
Spoke with scout about Wyoming QB B. Smith: “That staff there acts like he’s Montana, but I see a late rounder when I watch him"

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 11:36 AM
PS: What bothers you the most about not being invited to the Combine? (http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/02/17/nfl-draft-prospect-interview-brett-smith-qb-wyoming/2/)

BS: The thing that bugs me the most is just the fact that, in that situation, I’ve never been a guy, I think it’s just how I grew up, how I was raised, I’ve never been one to back down from any sort of competition and those are the best guys in the country. And I wanted to be on the same stage as all of them. I realize that I probably wasn’t probably at a big name school and I wasn’t part of a BCS Championship run or part of a really, really high bowl game the last few years, but at least I’d be there with those guys and I’d try to compete against them.

I would have done absolutely every drill. I would have thrown, I would’ve… it’s just that at a place like that, I’d be so humble. I would do every single event, get to meet all of those teams and compete. It’s not a situation where I’m trying to protect whatever stock I have, but it’s a chance to up it.

I don’t know if you follow CFL much, but Travis Lulay, I was talking with him on the phone. He was a Grey Cup Champion, he was the MVP a couple years ago. He’s basically the Aaron Rodgers of the CFL. I was talking with on the phone, it’s just crazy that if you go to an event like that, probably just because of our mindset, being underdogs, being smaller school guys, being doubted. We just want that opportunity to compete and go through everything and go about it that way.

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report – Brett Smith, QB Wyoming (http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/12/31/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-brett-smith-qb-wyoming/)

thunderkyss
02-17-2014, 01:07 PM
PS: What bothers you the most about not being invited to the Combine? (http://withthefirstpick.com/2014/02/17/nfl-draft-prospect-interview-brett-smith-qb-wyoming/2/)



2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report – Brett Smith, QB Wyoming (http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/12/31/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report-brett-smith-qb-wyoming/)

Is he "out" out, or can he be asked to throw the ball to receivers & TEs, & RBs like Yates was?

He should also know that it's not over just because he didn't get an invite.

MrTexan Slim
02-18-2014, 11:15 PM
I was looking over the 790 blog and came across Jayson Braddock's assessments of QBs. He has a write up on QBs in rounds 2-7 here:

http://www.sports790.com/onair/the-deep-post-w-jayson-braddock-52397/braddock-assessing-2nd-to-7th-round-12053064/

In his evaluation, he has Smith as the number 1 rated QB coming out. I hadn't heard anything about this guy and found this another interesting option. I know he's another "talking head" but there has to be something to his assessment. He seems to have good size, mobility, and a live arm. I think we have to come away with a solid starting QB in this draft, and was wondering if anyone else has looked into this guy as an option.

Thoughts?

ArlingtonTexan
02-18-2014, 11:27 PM
Well, there is thread still on the first page of this thread about him. I will merge you there,

MrTexan Slim
02-18-2014, 11:41 PM
Thanks. I didn't see it there.

thunderkyss
02-19-2014, 08:33 AM
Well, there is thread still on the first page of this thread about him. I will merge you there,

A thread on the first page of the thread eh??

How could he possibly miss it?

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 09:53 AM
I was looking over the 790 blog and came across Jayson Braddock's assessments of QBs. He has a write up on QBs in rounds 2-7 here:

http://www.sports790.com/onair/the-deep-post-w-jayson-braddock-52397/braddock-assessing-2nd-to-7th-round-12053064/

In his evaluation, he has Smith as the number 1 rated QB coming out. I hadn't heard anything about this guy and found this another interesting option. I know he's another "talking head" but there has to be something to his assessment. He seems to have good size, mobility, and a live arm. I think we have to come away with a solid starting QB in this draft, and was wondering if anyone else has looked into this guy as an option.

Thoughts?

Jayson was out front on Colin Kaepernick, as well.

Playoffs
02-23-2014, 05:43 PM
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Watching the QB workouts, I couldn't help but think about the fact that QB Brett Smith is better than a number of QBs here in Indy #Snubbed

Playoffs
02-27-2014, 11:46 AM
Nice in depth piece on the forgotten QB...

2014 NFL Draft: Wyoming QB Brett Smith Sees Beyond the Doubters (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1973976-2014-nfl-draft-wyoming-qb-brett-smith-sees-beyond-the-doubters)
As a draft analyst, one of the last quarterbacks on my list to scout was Wyoming junior Brett Smith.

Admittedly, I was none too thrilled to be watching film of a Mountain West quarterback with a losing record (17-20) and an omission from the NFL Scouting Combine on his resume. Yet, after a few games of resisting the urge to be incredibly impressed, I could hold my enthusiasm back no longer.

This is the time of year when most days are spent in a dark room watching tape until hundreds of NFL hopefuls have been identified and graded—each trying to not only convince an NFL team they belong, but perhaps subconsciously convince themselves as well.

The truth is, not a single young man out there training his butt off for a shot at the NFL really knows what the NFL is like.

It’s a place where hotshot All-Stars go to be humbled by an entirely new level of competition. It’s an unforgiving league that will weed out the weak faster than a pride of lions on the Serengeti.

So I watched another game of this odd-looking kid, and another. What the tape showed over and over again was a terrific competitor making plays all over the field with his legs, arm and very little help from a supporting cast.

It was as if someone took Johnny Manziel, put him on a team of castoffs, stretched him vertically and harnessed his manic playing style into a more controlled, steady burn. In his three years at Wyoming, Smith rushed for 1,529 yards and 20 touchdowns while throwing 76 touchdowns and 28 interceptions.

Keep in mind any Manziel comparison coming his way speaks more to his unique mobility and affinity for ad-libbing than anything else. Aside from that, it kept getting better.

One of the more impressive things about Smith’s makeup was his incredibly consistent..

Playoffs
02-27-2014, 12:18 PM
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Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman
I wonder if the same "bean-counter" tendency that befalls some evaluators victimized Smith in the way playing in SEC somewhat protected JM.

Brett Smith's intermediate range, pinpoint accuracy, and willingness to put it into tight windows is as good as anyone in this class.

I've seen enough to say that I know he can drive the ball and gain a little more velocity on deeper throws.

I've been waiting to say more about Smith until I saw a few more games because the Nebraska one wasn't enough.

Agree. RT @MikelSevere: @MattWaldman Love his pocket mobility, he moves in the pocket and finds windows to throw as good as anyone.

Brett Smith made some errors in the Texas game that were egregious, but the athleticism was even more apparent in that contest.

Although QB Brett Smith's game vs. Nebraska was his "big deal" moment. I was even more impressed with his Texas gm as a sophomore.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
@MattWaldman He was a junior, so that's why no All-Star Games, but absolutely perplexing how he didn't receive a Combine invite. Stupid.

If QB Brett Smith played at LSU or Georgia he'd be a household name. I agree w/a lot of what @Ryan_Riddle wrote in his BR piece.

Count me among those who don't understand why Wyoming QB Brett Smith wasn't at the Combine or an all-star game.

Playoffs
02-27-2014, 09:56 PM
Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe
Wyo's Smith will be be doing a lot of workouts in March

I wrote a very favorable report on Smith in the NFP in December 28th.

Another QB that will start to warm up is Wyoming's Brett Smith

NFL Prospect Focus: Brett Smith (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Prospect-Focus-Brett-Smith.html)

Greg Gabriel for National Football Post
Smith has adequate size at about 6’ 21/2" – 215. He is a good athlete with better than adequate speed for a quarterback. I would estimate his play speed at 4.7. He plays in a spread formation offense and never plays from under center. He is a poised, patient player and does a good job reading coverages and finding an open receiver. With his athleticism, he can keep plays alive with his feet and has good run skills. They run a lot of read-option type plays, and while Smith isn’t Johnny Manziel with the ball in his hands, he is an effective runner.

Smith has put up good numbers while at Wyoming. This year, he completed 63% of his passes for 3375 yards, 29 TDs and 11 interceptions. For his career, he has completed 751 of 1212 passes for 8843 yards and a 62% completion percentage. He has also thrown for 76 TDs and only 28 interceptions. Smith does not have the supporting cast that many top quarterbacks have, so those numbers are impressive.

I like that he is an accurate passer with good ball placement. He can throw the ball with velocity while on the run to either direction. He has the patience and poise to go through a progression and find an open receiver. He seldom forces throws. He doesn’t have a cannon, but his arm is good enough. His mechanics are good and he has a quick release. I did notice that his release is not the same with every throw. Also, he will not consistently set his feet before he throws. When he shows proper footwork, the ball comes out nicely.

I have seen Smith make all the throws that an NFL QB has to make. He can throw a deep out, slants, posts, and fades. He can fire the ball if necessary and can also throw with touch. Because he doesn’t have a bunch of 4.5 receivers catching his passes he can put a bit too much air under his deep balls. He can get...

kiwitexansfan
02-27-2014, 10:30 PM
Starting to think Smith might be a 3rd rounder to some team.

Lucky
02-28-2014, 12:10 AM
He doesn’t have a cannon, but his arm is good enough. His mechanics are good and he has a quick release. I did notice that his release is not the same with every throw. Also, he will not consistently set his feet before he throws. When he shows proper footwork, the ball comes out nicely.
I don't see what these guys are looking at. I watched the Nebraska game and the 2012 UT game, and Smith's arm is nowhere near NFL caliber. It looks like he's throwing a jump pass most of the time. I don't get the Manziel comparisons at all. More like a right-handed, poor man's Kellen Moore. Smith does not look like any NFL QB I'm familiar with. I see his ceiling as the CFL, floor as the Arena league.

TexansFTW
02-28-2014, 12:23 AM
I don't see what these guys are looking at. I watched the Nebraska game and the 2012 UT game, and Smith's arm is nowhere near NFL caliber. It looks like he's throwing a jump pass most of the time. I don't get the Manziel comparisons at all. More like a right-handed, poor man's Kellen Moore. Smith does not look like any NFL QB I'm familiar with. I see his ceiling as the CFL, floor as the Arena league.

lol, good stuff. Be careful though.

This guy is a feel good story, I hope he sticks on a team, but he's just another guy that will be forgotten about and denied support of him next season.

obrien52289
02-28-2014, 03:27 AM
Bad version of a right handed Tebow

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 01:00 PM
Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
John Football 4.68 RT @AllbrightNFL: Brett Smith 4.45 on his first 40Eric Galko ‏@OptimumScouting
Love him on Day 3...Pass on Manziel, Grab Smith in 4th. RT @AllbrightNFL: Brett smith 4.45 on his first 40

Not buying it.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 01:25 PM
Height: 6’3”
Weight: 205 pounds (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype/page/3)

This kid may not look pretty in what he does, he may not have the best footwork or strongest arm, but when you watch close enough, you start to understand what makes this wiry warrior so intriguing.

Smith is a uniquely tough competitor with rare ability to deliver pinpoint accurate passes in the midst of chaos.

To say his offensive line was porous would be an understatement. He was constantly under duress, dodging blitzes, shedding would-be-tacklers and running away from trouble, all while keeping his eye down the field and looking for an open target. Once found, a quick release and the snap of the wrist would send the ball whizzing through the air, landing masterfully between two defenders before hitting the receiver perfectly on the numbers.

This type of play would act itself out play after play and game after game.

When there was no receiver to be found, Smith had no problem tucking the ball in and running for huge chunks of yards in a similar way Johnny Manziel has become famous for.

Smith is a fierce competitor with good strength, elite toughness and outstanding poise. Unfortunately, he was egregiously overlooked and failed to receive an invite to the NFL Scouting Combine, despite declaring for the draft early after his junior year.

There is a real chance Smith is undrafted come May. But whichever team has the ability to see his potential, will not regret putting their faith in a little-known quarterback from the University of Wyoming.

TexansFTW
03-13-2014, 02:29 PM
Height: 6’3”
Weight: 205 pounds (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype/page/3)

These stats are pretty interesting cause a lot of people dogging on Teddy B for his frame and being too skinny were all about this guy.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 02:36 PM
These stats are pretty interesting cause a lot of people dogging on Teddy B for his frame and being too skinny were all about this guy.
TB was as low as 188 lbs. late in the year last season. Not really a concern now as long as his pro day goes well. TB is targeting 220+, but that's for another topic.

The outcry on Brett Smith was that he did not get a Combine invite.

_King_
03-13-2014, 02:37 PM
Height: 6’3”
Weight: 205 pounds (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype/page/3)

I'd take him over JM.

Will not cost as high of a pick and he looks like he has more potential IMO.

But he's going to need some seasoning. Will throw some picks.

Honestly, out of the QB's I've watched he's my 2nd favorite. Carr would move down to third for me.

If we pass on TB, I'll be rooting for us to pick Smith up. He looks nice.

_King_
03-13-2014, 02:38 PM
Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
Eric Galko ‏@OptimumScouting


Not buying it.

I don't know about 4.45...But I would not be shocked based on his film...

But he looks more like a 4.5 guy based on what I saw. Definitely faster than Manziel.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 03:03 PM
Benjamin Allbright ‏@AllbrightNFL
Brett Smith's official numbers: 6016 207, 10 inch hands. 4.51 official 40 time.

Cecil Lammey ‏@cecillammey
Russell Lande ‏@RUSSLANDE
@cecillammey - There is no doubt he should have been. He has a quick release, a strong arm & is one of most athletic QB's in the draft.

45 yards on the run to his right or left Brett Smith putting on a show at #gowyo pro day

After watching Brett Smith throw today, it further emphasizes my belief he should've been at the #NFLCombine

Brett Smith just hit Herron in stride at 55 yards #GoWyo pro day

Brett Smith showing an improved throwing motion at #GoWyo pro day over the top, still lightning quick
Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Brett Smith/QB/Wyoming also turning heads....surprising people with his arm strength...

bhsman
03-13-2014, 03:35 PM
Question is, if the team was interested in him, at what point does he get drafted? Will he be a surprise second rounder, or would it be safer to grab him later? Not being invited to the Combine didn't stop us from drafting Brandon Brooks in the third.

infantrycak
03-13-2014, 03:42 PM
Question is, if the team was interested in him, at what point does he get drafted? Will he be a surprise second rounder, or would it be safer to grab him later? Not being invited to the Combine didn't stop us from drafting Brandon Brooks in the third.

If you want him, don't get fancy, just go ahead and take him at 3.1.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 03:44 PM
Question is, if the team was interested in him, at what point does he get drafted? Will he be a surprise second rounder, or would it be safer to grab him later? Not being invited to the Combine didn't stop us from drafting Brandon Brooks in the third.

Not sure he's a fit for OB, but he looks to me like a "better" JFF. Very good accuracy, just kinda ugly doing it like Philip Rivers was. He's a day 3 pick, imo.

Playoffs
03-13-2014, 04:17 PM
Reported Smith broad jumped 10'8", which I'm rechecking but if true would put him 3rd vs. all WRs at the Combine(!)

Cecil Lammey ‏@cecillammey
According to a source #Broncos have a private workout scheduled with #gowyo QB Brett Smith #NFLDraft

thunderkyss
03-13-2014, 05:25 PM
These stats are pretty interesting cause a lot of people dogging on Teddy B for his frame and being too skinny were all about this guy.

I know you're not talking about anyone in particular, but I was on Bridgewater about his size, never talked about this guy's size because his supporters didn't downplay it when it was mentioned that he was kinda lanky.

However, I believe they didn't because his game is different from Bridgewater. He's more of an out of the pocket guy where he's more likely to take the kind of hit a thin QB should avoid.


& that's if he's 6'3"

Looks like he measures 6'1" which is a different story.

TexansFTW
03-13-2014, 05:54 PM
I know you're not talking about anyone in particular, but I was on Bridgewater about his size, never talked about this guy's size because his supporters didn't downplay it when it was mentioned that he was kinda lanky.

However, I believe they didn't because his game is different from Bridgewater. He's more of an out of the pocket guy where he's more likely to take the kind of hit a thin QB should avoid.


& that's if he's 6'3"

Looks like he measures 6'1" which is a different story.

I may or may not be talking about you, but don't think I'm trying to throw shots at you, because I don't remember what you or anyone else said specifically and I don't plan on re-reading this whole thing and the TB thing to piece the 2 together.

I have the memory of a child when it comes to specific details. I just remember broad ranging things and could have sworn most of the TB bashers (because of size) loved this cat.

This dude's athletic numbers are pretty wild, but I'm still not a fan. When a QB is too athletic sometimes it's too much for their own good and they will find themselves unnecessarily running because they have the ability to. I can easily be wrong about this joker though, time will tell, but I'm not a buyer.

thunderkyss
03-13-2014, 05:56 PM
I may or may not be talking about you, but don't think I'm trying to throw shots at you, because I don't remember what you or anyone else said specifically and I don't plan on re-reading this whole thing and the TB thing to piece the 2 together.


We're cool, I was just saying.

Playoffs
03-14-2014, 12:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkgUn0wTvwk

Pro Day throws.

Corrosion
03-14-2014, 01:19 AM
lol, good stuff. Be careful though.

This guy is a feel good story, I hope he sticks on a team, but he's just another guy that will be forgotten about and denied support of him next season.

I think he has potential .... Wouldn't spend a high pick on him , but he could develop into an NFL QB with the right system , coaching and .... some time.

Like with all late round / UDFA guy's (Hell , all players pre-NFL) , he has bust potential.

Playoffs
03-17-2014, 02:50 PM
McShay on Brett Smith: He's not very good (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130963/brett-smith)
Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay believes Wyoming QB Brett Smith "is not very good" and understands why he was not at the NFL Combine.

"I've done four games of him, it makes total sense why he was not there," McShay said of Smith. "It would be unfair to the other quarterbacks if Brett Smith" was at the Combine.

On the same podcast, ESPN's Mel Kiper called Smith draftable. The Wyoming passer has earned some comparisons to Johnny Manziel for his improvisational style, but while Manziel is a bit more fluid, Smith seems a bit more robotic with his movements.

thunderkyss
03-17-2014, 05:55 PM
McShay on Brett Smith: He's not very good (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130963/brett-smith)"It would be unfair to the other quarterbacks if Brett Smith" was at the Combine.

Never mind that three of the QBs that did go, didn't throw.

steelbtexan
03-17-2014, 06:14 PM
McShay on Brett Smith: He's not very good (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130963/brett-smith)

McShay's not very good.

bah007
03-17-2014, 09:59 PM
McShay's not very good.

Just like McShay to make a statement like that and not back it up with anything whatsoever.

steelbtexan
03-17-2014, 10:20 PM
Just like McShay to make a statement like that and not back it up with anything whatsoever.

Smith should've been invited to the combine. I like him as much as McCarron/Mettenberger. But not as much as Garappolo/Murray. The top 3 really don't do much for me either.

Thoughts?

bah007
03-17-2014, 10:29 PM
Smith should've been invited to the combine. I like him as much as McCarron/Mettenberger. But not as much as Garappolo/Murray. The top 3 really don't do much for me either.

Thoughts?

I think Bridgewater is easily the best QB in this draft. Not sure if I'd take him #1 or not but he is definitely a serious option. Highest probability of being a franchise QB, IMO.

I like Bortles if he gets some time to sit before he is thrown in.

After that it gets murky. Manziel, Carr, and McCarron don't do it for me. Do not want. I could be talked into Garappolo or Mettenberger in the 3rd, but they would have to sit for a year.

I would be fine with Murray in the 4th. But I think his ceiling is Chad Pennington. Solid game manager but never anything special.

Smith is the wild card. He's capable of doing everything Manziel can do, but he can probably be had in the 4th.

Lucky
03-17-2014, 10:39 PM
McShay is ridiculous. "Unfair to the other QBs"? Jordan Lynch was at Indy as a QB. He has zero chance at playing QB in the NFL. Unless there's still a Wildcat team out there. There are a lot of QBs at that combine that won't be drafted. 5 or 6. So it's possible Smith could go ahead of 6 or 7 of these guys. Would that be "unfair" Todd?

I agree with McShay that Smith is not a good NFL prospect as a QB. He's a better athlete than QB. But, he is a good athlete. He might be worth drafting as a QB, and if he doesn't pan out, try him at WR. I really think Smith's best shot is to go to the CFL and keep working. Who knows, he could come back in a few years as the next Jeff Garcia.

steelbtexan
03-17-2014, 10:55 PM
McShay is ridiculous. "Unfair to the other QBs"? Jordan Lynch was at Indy as a QB. He has zero chance at playing QB in the NFL. Unless there's still a Wildcat team out there. There are a lot of QBs at that combine that won't be drafted. 5 or 6. So it's possible Smith could go ahead of 6 or 7 of these guys. Would that be "unfair" Todd?

I agree with McShay that Smith is not a good NFL prospect as a QB. He's a better athlete than QB. But, he is a good athlete. He might be worth drafting as a QB, and if he doesn't pan out, try him at WR. I really think Smith's best shot is to go to the CFL and keep working. Who knows, he could come back in a few years as the next Jeff Garcia.

I see Smith as a better version of Garcia, which would give him the ability to be the top QB in this draft. However this all depends on which team drafts him. Hopefully the Texans in the 3rd rd.

I do think one of the big 3 will end up being better than Smith. Which one is anybodys guess.

Smith and Savage are my 3/4th rd sleeper picks. I like them both. Better than some of the more well known guys.

steelbtexan
03-17-2014, 10:59 PM
I think Bridgewater is easily the best QB in this draft. Not sure if I'd take him #1 or not but he is definitely a serious option. Highest probability of being a franchise QB, IMO.

I like Bortles if he gets some time to sit before he is thrown in.

After that it gets murky. Manziel, Carr, and McCarron don't do it for me. Do not want. I could be talked into Garappolo or Mettenberger in the 3rd, but they would have to sit for a year.

I would be fine with Murray in the 4th. But I think his ceiling is Chad Pennington. Solid game manager but never anything special.

Smith is the wild card. He's capable of doing everything Manziel can do, but he can probably be had in the 4th.

A guy that can do everything Manziel can do must be worth atleast a 3rd? Would you risk a 3rd?

bah007
03-17-2014, 11:12 PM
A guy that can do everything Manziel can do must be worth atleast a 3rd? Would you risk a 3rd?

I wouldn't but I can see why someone would. Manziel and Smith will both need a ton of work if they are going to be long term successes in the league.

thunderkyss
03-18-2014, 12:47 AM
Smith should've been invited to the combine. I like him as much as McCarron/Mettenberger. But not as much as Garappolo/Murray. The top 3 really don't do much for me either.

Thoughts?

I had a thing for Fales... I really liked his combination of skills, size, & experience..... but the more I watch... I'm dropping him out of my 6.

McCarron, Murray, Teddy, Johnny, Bortles in that order.

I feel good that the three are being talked up so much & hope they go in the first, allowing us to get our pick of McCarron or Murray (& if his knee checks out, I'm probably going to swing Murray).

Mettenberger, I like his arm, love his size... but he is the only one of the bunch that I believe struggles with ball placement. It's like he was told to get the ball within 4 feet of his receivers, any 4 feet & let them do their thing.

I wish there was more to see on Garoppolo. 53 passing TDs, 4 rushing, 1 receiving.... 4 year starter... coaches trusted him with audibles.... He threw for 5000 yards, 8.9 ypa, 66% completion ratio, 3+ years starting... I just wish there was more "film" on him.

steelbtexan
03-18-2014, 01:59 AM
I wouldn't but I can see why someone would. Manziel and Smith will both need a ton of work if they are going to be long term successes in the league.

And people are wanting Manziel 1-1

bah007
03-18-2014, 08:10 AM
And people are wanting Manziel 1-1

Which blows my mind. I would hesitate to take him 2-1. I don't even think that I would do it, but it depends on what is out there.

He's further along in his development than Smith, but I think they have the same strengths and the same limitations. So if you're going to take a guy like that, and you know he's going to need a ton of work, why wouldn't you get him as late as possible?

steelbtexan
03-18-2014, 11:08 AM
Which blows my mind. I would hesitate to take him 2-1. I don't even think that I would do it, but it depends on what is out there.

He's further along in his development than Smith, but I think they have the same strengths and the same limitations. So if you're going to take a guy like that, and you know he's going to need a ton of work, why wouldn't you get him as late as possible?

Very logical,

I wouldn't want to miss out on Smith/Savage and 3-1 may be to high for them. But I would consider trading back into the mid/late 3rd rd to pick one of them.

It's better to move up and make sure you get your guy than to stand pat and lose your guy.

bah007
03-18-2014, 12:16 PM
Very logical,

I wouldn't want to miss out on Smith/Savage and 3-1 may be to high for them. But I would consider trading back into the mid/late 3rd rd to pick one of them.

It's better to move up and make sure you get your guy than to stand pat and lose your guy.

I agree. If it's a guy that you absolutely have to have, then you have to do whatever is necessary to make sure that you're the one who gets him.

TexansFTW
05-21-2014, 10:58 AM
The Brett Smith train is sailing off to the sunset before it ever got rolling.

Sorry Brett Smith fans...

Bucs waived QB Brett Smith.
Smith, an outstanding athlete and favorite of the draftnik community, lasts just 11 days in Tampa after signing as a UDFA. The Wyoming product has been replaced on the roster by Alex Tanney.

Trick Shots steals draftnik hype.

NCTexan
05-21-2014, 11:09 AM
I really wouldn't mind sneaking him on the PS.

Playoffs
05-21-2014, 11:18 AM
Bucs waived QB Brett Smith.


Strange, the way Bucs were trying to trade Glennon and now he's their future.

Would love to see Smith land in Cleveland with JFF.

bah007
05-21-2014, 12:32 PM
I really like Smith but he had no business leaving school early. He has physical tools but is way too raw and needs a lot of development.

I would have taken a chance on him if I had a starter already and was looking for a guy to sit on the bench for a few years and wait his turn.

b0ng
05-21-2014, 12:57 PM
Jayson Braddock must feel extremely silly right now.

thunderkyss
05-21-2014, 09:07 PM
Jayson Braddock must feel extremely silly right now.

Because the Buccaneers have a great record of making good QB decisions.

badboy
05-21-2014, 10:25 PM
could have been the best thing ever for him

Lucky
05-23-2014, 09:38 AM
Because the Buccaneers have a great record of making good QB decisions.
Is Smith's release an indictment of the entire NFL QB scouting? Because no team has picked him up.

thunderkyss
05-23-2014, 09:45 AM
Because no team has picked him up.

That says more about him as a prospect than the Bucs cutting him.