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02-05-2014, 03:14 PM
NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis February 19-24 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24431806/nfl-draft-combine-list-includes-85-underclassmen)
Predictably, a record 85 underclassmen will be among the 335 players invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis February 19-24... Although players have been notified, the official list has not yet been announced formally, and there are often a few late changes right up until the week of the event.

NFL Combine coverage here: http://www.nfl.com/combine

Combine workout schedule:
» Saturday, Feb. 22: Tight ends, offensive linemen, special teams
» Sunday, Feb. 23: Quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers
» Monday, Feb. 24: Defensive linemen, linebackers
» Tuesday, Feb. 25: Defensive backs

Combine stats:
» All-time best combine performances (http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2006-2007-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013&workout=FORTY_YARD_DASH&position=QB-RB-WR-TE-S-DL-LB-CB-OL-SPEC)

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02-05-2014, 03:15 PM
quarterbacks
*Bortles, Blake, Central Florida
Boyd, Tajh, Clemson
Bridgewater, Theodore (teddy), Louisville
Carr, Derek, Fresno State
Fales, David, San Jose State
Garoppolo, James (jimmy), Eastern Illinois
Lynch, Jordan, Northern Illinois
*Manziel, Johnnyxas A & M
Mathews, Jeffrey (jeff), Cornell
Mc Carron, Raymond (a.j.), Alabama
Mettenberger, Zachary (zach), Louisiana State
Morris, Stephen, Miami
Murray, Aaron, Georgia
Renner, Bryn, North Carolina
Savage, Thomas (tom), Pittsburgh
Shaw, Connor, South Carolina
Thomas, Logan, Virginia Tech
Vaughan, Dustin, West Texas A & M
Wenning, Keith, Ball State

running backs

Andrews, Antonio, Western Kentucky
Archer, Dri, Kent State
*Atkinson, George, Notre Dame
*Bibbs, Kapri, Colorado State
*Blue, Alfred, Louisiana State
*Carey, Ka'deem, Arizona
Copeland, Javoddron (j.c.), Louisiana State
Cornett, Timothy (tim), Nevada - Las Vegas
*Crowell, Isaiah, Alabama State
Flanders, Timothy, Sam Houston State
Fluellen, David, Toledo
*Freeman, Devonta, Florida State
Gaffney, Tyler, Stanford
Grice, Marion, Arizona State
Hewitt, Ryan, Stanford
*Hill, Jeremy, Louisiana State
Hyde, Carlos, Ohio State
*Johnson, Westleigh (storm), Central Florida
*Josey, Henry, Missouri
*Mason, Tre, Auburn
Mc Kinnon, Jerick, Georgia Southern
Millard, Trey, Oklahoma
*Muema, Adam, San Diego State
Perkins, Ladarius, Mississippi State
Redd, Silas, Southern California
*Sankey, Bishop, Washington
*Seastrunk, Lache, Baylor
Sims, Charles, West Virginia
*Smith, Jerome, Syracuse
Taliaferro, Lorenzo, Coastal Carolina
*Thomas, De'anthony, Oregon
*Westrrance, Towson
White, James, Wisconsin
*Wilder, James, Florida State
Williams, Andre, Boston College
Williams, Damien, Oklahoma

tight ends
*Amaro, Jace Texas Tech
Blanchflower, Robert (rob), Massachusetts
Burton, Lawrence (trey), Florida
Denham, Anthony (a.d.), Utah
Duncan, Joseph (joe Don), Dixie
*Ebron, Eric, North Carolina
Fedorowicz, Colton (c.j.), Iowa
Gillmore, Crockett, Colorado State
*Grimble, Xavier, Southern California
*Jacobs, Nicholas (nic), Mc Neese State
Jensen, Marcel, Fresno State
Jordan, Reginald (reggie), Missouri Western State
*Leonard, A.c.nnessee State
*Lyerla, Colt, Oregon
Lynch, Arthur, Georgia
*Murphy, Jake, Utah
Najvar, Jordan, Baylor
*Niklas, Troy, Notre Dame
Pedersen, Jacob (jake), Wisconsin
*Rodgers, Richard, California
*Seferian-jenkins, Austin, Washington
Tialavea, Donald (d.j.), Utah State

wide receivers
Abbrederis, Jared, Wisconsin
*Adams, Davante, Fresno State
*Beckham, Odell, Louisiana State
*Benjamin, Kelvin, Florida State
*Boyd, Christopher, Vanderbilt
Brown, Corey (philly), Ohio State
Brown, John, Pittsburg State
*Bryant, Martavis, Clemson
Burse, Isaiah, Fresno State
Campanaro, Michael, Wake Forest
*Coleman, Brandon, Rutgers
Colter, Theodis (kain), Northwestern
*Cooks, Brandin, Oregon State
Copeland, Damian, Louisville
Davis, Michael (mike) Texas
*Ellington, Bruce, South Carolina
Enunwa, Onochie (quincy), Nebraska
*Evans, Mikexas A & M
Evans, Shaquelle (shaq), Ucla
Fowler, Bennie, Michigan State
*Franklin, Austin, New Mexico State
Gallon, Jeremy, Michigan
Grant, Ryan, Tulane
Hazel, Charles (matt), Coastal Carolina
Herron, Robert, Wyoming
Hoffman, Cody, Brigham Young
Huff, Joshua (josh), Oregon
Hurns, Allen, Miami
Janis, Jeffrey (jeff), Saginaw Valley State
Jones, Tailer (t.j.), Notre Dame
*Landry, Jarvis, Louisiana State
*Latimer, Cody, Indiana
*Lee, Marqise, Southern California
Lucas, Marcus, Missouri
Matthews, Jordan, Vanderbilt
*Moncrief, Donte, Mississippi
Norwood, Kevin, Alabama
Powell, Walter (walt), Murray State
Reesevin, Baylor
*Richardson, Paul, Colorado
*Robinson, Allen, Penn State
Saunders, Jalen, Oklahoma
*Snead, Willie, Ball State
*Stewart, Josh, Oklahoma State
Street, Devin, Pittsburgh
Washington, L'damian, Missouri
*Watkins, Sammy, Clemson
Wilson, Albert, Georgia State

offensive linemen
Armstrong, Matthew (matt), Grand Valley State
Bitonio, Joel, Nevada
*Bodine, Russell, North Carolina
Boffell, Conor, Iowa
Britt, Justin, Missouri
Dozier, Dakota, Furman
Edwards, Kadeemnnessee State
Feiler, Matt, Bloomsburg
*Flemong, Cameron, Stanford
Fulton, Zachery (zach)nnessee
Groy, Ryan, Wisconsin
Halapio, Jonathan (jon), Florida
Harrison, Jonotthan, Florida
Henderson, Seantrel, Miami
Hurst, James, North Carolina
Ikard, Gabriel (gabe), Oklahoma
Jackson, Gabriel, Mississippi State
James, Ja'wuannnessee
Johnson, Wesley, Vanderbilt
*Kouandijo, Cyrus, Alabama
Larsen, Tyler, Utah State
Leno, Charles, Boise State
Lewan, Taylor, Michigan
Linder, Brandon, Miami
Linsley, Corey, Ohio State
Long, Spencer, Nebraska
Lucas, Cornelius (luke), Kansas State
*Martin, Marcus, Southern California
Martin, Zachary (zack), Notre Dame
Matthews, Jacob (jake)xas A & M
Mewhort, Jack, Ohio State
Moses, Morgan, Virginia
Paradis, Matthew (matt), Boise State
Patchan, Matthew (matt), Boston College
*Richardson, Antonionnessee
Richardson, Cyril, Baylor
Richburg, Weston, Colorado State
*Robinson, Greg, Auburn
Schofield, Michael, Michigan
Steen, Anthony, Alabama
Stone, Jamesnnessee
Stork, Bryan, Florida State
*Su'a-filo, Xavier, Ucla
Swanson, Travis, Arkansas
Thomas, Brandon, Clemson
*Turner, Trai, Louisiana State
Turner, William (billy), North Dakota State
Urschel, John, Penn State
Watt, Christopher (chris), Notre Dame
*Yankey, David, Stanford

defensive linemen
Carrethers, Ryan, Arkansas State
Clarke, William, West Virginia
*Clowney, Jadeveon, South Carolina
*Crichton, Scott, Oregon State
*Ealy, Kony, Missouri
Edeball, Kasim, Boston College
Enemkpall, Kemefuna (i.k.), Louisiana Tech
Ford, Donald (dee), Auburn
Gayle, Jacon (james), Virginia Tech
Hart, Taylor, Oregon
Jeffcoat, Jacksonxas
*Jernigan, Timmy, Florida State
Jones, Howard, Shepherd
Kerr, Zachariah (zach), Delaware
*Lawrence, Demarcus, Boise State
*Lynch, Aaron, South Florida
Manumaleuna, Eathyn, Brigham Young
Marsh, Cassius, Ucla
Martin, Kareem, North Carolina
Mauro, Joshua (josh), Stanford
Mimsvin, South Florida
Moore, Zachary (zach), Concordia
Newsome, Jonathan, Ball State
*Nix, Louis, Notre Dame
*Pagan, Jeoffrey, Alabama
Ramsey, Kaleb, Boston College
Sam, Michael, Missouri
Smith, Chris, Arkansas
Smith, Marcus, Louisville
Stinson, Edward (ed), Alabama
*Tuitt, Stephon, Notre Dame
*Uko, George, Southern California
Webster, Larry, Bloomsburg
Westbrooks, Ethan, West Texas A & M

defensive tackles
Bromley, Jason (jay), Syracuse
Coleman, Deandre, California
Donald, Aaron, Pittsburgh
Easley, Dominique, Florida
Ellis, Justin, Louisiana Tech
*Ferguson, Ego, Louisiana State
Hageman, Ra'shede, Minnesota
Hyder, Kerryxas Tech
*Johnson, Anthony, Louisiana State
Jones, Daquan, Penn State
Mc Cullers, Daniel (dan)nnessee
Palepoinny, Utah
Pennel, Michael (mike), Colorado State - Pueblo
*Quarles, Kelcy, South Carolina
Reid, Caralin, Princeton
Stephen, Shamar, Connecticut
Sutton, William (will), Arizona State
Thomas, Robert, Arkansas
Thornton, Khyri, Southern Mississippi
Urban, Brent, Virginia
Whaley, Christopher (chris)xas
Wynn, Kerry, Richmond

linebackers
Attaochu, Jeremiah (jerry), Georgia Tech
Barr, Anthony, Ucla
Barrow, Lamin, Louisiana State
Borland, Christopher (chris), Wisconsin
Bradford, Carl, Arizona State
Brown, Jonathan, Illinois
Brown, Michael (preston), Louisville
Bullough, Max, Michigan State
*Fortt, Khairi, California
George, Jeremiah, Iowa State
Hitchens, Anthony, Iowa
Hubbard, Adrian, Alabama
Jackson, Andrew (drew), Western Kentucky
Jones, Christian, Florida State
Kennard, Devon, Southern California
Kirksey, Christian (chris), Iowa
Lokombo, Boseko, Oregon
Mack, Khalil, Buffalo
Morris, James, Iowa
Mosley, Clinton (c.j.), Alabama
Murphy, Trenton (trent), Stanford
Pierre-louis, Kevin, Boston College
*Powell, Ronald, Florida
Reilly, Trevor, Utah
*Shazier, Ryan, Ohio State
Shembo, Prince, Notre Dame
Skov, Shayne, Stanford
*Smallwood, Yawin, Connecticut
Smithlvin, Florida State
Starr, Tyler, South Dakota
Tripp, Jordan (jordie), Montana
Unga, Devin (uani'), Brigham Young
Van Noy, Kyle, Brigham Young
Williamson, Avery, Kentucky
Zumwalt, Jordan, Ucla

defensive backs
Alexander, Maurice (mo), Utah State
Allen, Ricardo, Purdue
Bailey, Dion, Southern California
Belue, Deion, Alabama
Benwikere, Bene', San Jose State
Berhe, Natneal (nat), San Diego State
Boston, Jayestin (tre), North Carolina
*Breeland, Bashaud, Clemson
Brooksrrence, Florida State
Bucannon, Deone, Washington State
Carrie, Travis (t.j.), Ohio
*Clinton-dix, Ha'sean (ha Ha), Alabama
Cockrell, Ross, Duke
Colvin, Aaron, Oklahoma
Davis, Christopher (chris), Auburn
Dennard, Darqueze, Michigan State
Desir, Pierre, Lindenwood
Dixon, Ahmad (a.d.), Baylor
Dixon, Brandon, Northwest Missouri State
*Dowling, Jonathan, Western Kentucky
Exum, Antone, Virginia Tech
Fuller, Kyle, Virginia Tech
Gaines, Edwin (e.j.), Missouri
Gaines, Phillip, Rice
Gilbert, Justin, Oklahoma State
Goodson, Demetri (meech), Baylor
Hal, Andre (dre), Vanderbilt
*Hampton, Victor, South Carolina
Huff, Marqueston, Wyoming
Jackson, Bennett, Notre Dame
James, Kendall, Maine
Jean-baptiste, Stanley (stan), Nebraska
Johnson, Dontae, North Carolina State
Joyner, Lamarcus, Florida State
Ladler, Kenneth (kenny), Vanderbilt
Lawson, Nevin (nevo), Utah State
Lewis, Isaiah, Michigan State
Loston, Craig, Louisiana State
Mc Dougle, Dexter (dex), Maryland
Mc Gill, Keith, Utah
*Mitchell Terrrance, Oregon
Price, Jabari, North Carolina
*Pryor, Calvin, Louisville
*Purifoy, Loucheiz, Florida
Reaser, Keith, Florida Atlantic
*Reynolds, Ed, Stanford
Reynolds, Rashaad, Oregon State
*Roberson, Marcus, Florida
*Roby, Bradley, Ohio State
Sorensen, Daniel, Brigham Young
Southward, Dezmen (dez), Wisconsin
*Sunseri, Vinnie, Alabama
Thomas, Jemea, Georgia Tech
Vereen, Brock, Minnesota
Verrett, Jasonxas Christian
Ward, Jimmie, Northern Illinois
Washington, Todd, Southeastern Louisiana
Watkins, Jaylen, Florida
Westbrooks, Lavelle, Georgia Southern

long snapper
Heit, Marcus, Kansas State

punters
Clark, Steven, Auburn
Hocker, Zachary (zach), Arkansas
Hornsey, Thomas (tom), Memphis
Leone, Richard (richie), Houston
Mandell, Cody, Alabama
O'donnell, Patrick (pat), Miami

kickers
Boswell, Christopher (chris), Rice
Fera, Anthonyxas
Santos, Cairo, Tulane

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02-05-2014, 03:36 PM
2014 NFL Draft: Combine snubs at each position (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24431883/nfl-draft-combine-snubs-at-each-position)

Below are the top Combine snubs at each position, as well as a surprise invitee:

Quarterback – Brett Smith, Wyoming
One of the 13 underclassmen who declared early and didn't receive a Combine invite, Smith doesn't have elite physical tools, but he's an athletic, confident and decisive passer who set numerous school and conference records in college. He needs to develop his decision-making, but is tough, gutsy and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Smith arrived at Wyoming as an underrated recruit and leaves Wyoming as an underrated NFL prospect.

OTHER QB SNUBS: Kenny Guiton (Ohio State), Tommy Rees (Notre Dame), James Franklin (Missouri)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED QB INVITEE: Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M

Running Back – Zach Bauman, North Arizona
Undersized at 5-7 and 196 pounds, Bauman was one of only nine players in FCS history to rush for 1,000+ yards four times, earning All-Big Sky honors each season. He doesn't look like much and lacks a power element, but is quick-footed to make explosive jump cuts and pick his way through the defense. Bauman runs low to the ground with a light lower body to make fast, decisive moves and finish runs.

OTHER RB SNUBS: Brendan Bigelow (California), Darrin Reaves (UAB), Rajion Neal (Tennessee)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED RB INVITEE: Damian Williams, Oklahoma

Wide Receiver – Chandler Jones, San Jose State
After Noel Grigsby went down with an injury, Jones stepped up as the clear-cut No. 1 target for David Fales and the San Jose State offense, finishing the 2013 season with 79 catches for 1,356 yards and 15 receiving scores. He is undersized at 5-9 and 180 pounds, but creates separation with his foot quickness and natural burst and does a nice job finishing catches and creating after the catch.

OTHER WR SNUBS: Alex Amidon (Boston College), Eric Ward (Texas Tech), Erik Lora (Eastern Illinois)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WR INVITEE: Philly Brown, Ohio State

Tight End/Fullback – Jay Prosch, Auburn
An athletic, smash-mouth blocker, Prosch had just five touches as a senior and zero carries, but he was still a big part of the Tigers offense, helping to create run lanes as a lead blocker. He has an intriguing blend of size, speed, and strength and showed at the Senior Bowl that he has the versatility to help out with the ball in his hands or running over defenders as a blocker.

OTHER TE/FB SNUBS: Gabe Holmes (Purdue), Ted Bolser (Indiana), Kaneakua Friel (BYU)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TE/FB INVITEE: Colt Lyerla, Oregon

Offensive Line – Kevin Danser, Stanford
Danser, who started all 14 games at right guard each of the last two seasons, needs to learn patience, often overextending himself, but he works hard to finish. He flashes a killer instinct and enjoys mauling defenders in the run game with his physical, competitive nature. Danser has the temperament for the NFL, but needs time to adjust to the speed of the next level and improve his discipline.

OTHER OL SNUBS: Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (McGill), Matt Hall (Belhaven), Danny Kistler (Montana)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED OL INVITEE: Corey Linsley, Ohio State

Defensive End – Chaz Sutton, South Carolina
Rushing off the edge opposite Jadeveon Clowney, Sutton totaled the same number of sacks (three) in 2013 as the future 1st rounder. He needs to play more controlled and finish, but he has some intriguing tools to stop the run and disrupt the pocket – he just struggles to do it consistently.

OTHER DE SNUBS: Walker May (Vanderbilt), Ben Gardner (Stanford), Denico Autry (Mississippi State)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED DE INVITEE: Kasim Edebali, Boston College

Defensive Tackle – Bruce Gaston, Purdue
After a notable junior season playing next to Kawann Short, Gaston had a ho-hum senior season as he struggled to adjust to Purdue's new 3-4 defensive scheme. He looks the part and has good snap quickness to attack gaps and keep his hips low to anchor at the point of attack. Gaston had a positive week at the East-West Shrine game and is considered draftable.

OTHER DT SNUBS: Calvin Barnett (Oklahoma State), Wade Keliikipi (Oregon), Beau Allen)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED DT INVITEE: Mike Pennel, Colorado State – Pueblo

Linebacker – Morgan Breslin, USC
A junior college transfer last year, Breslin burst onto the scene with a team-best 13.0 sacks for the Trojans in 2012. However, he battled injuries this past season as a senior, finishing with just 4.5 sacks in five games. Breslin underwent hip surgery in November and might be trying to receive a medical hardship waiver to play in 2014 for the Trojans.

OTHER LB SNUBS: DeDe Lattimore, Shaquil Barrett, Eddie Lackey

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED LB INVITEE: Jordan Tripp, Montana

Cornerback – Shaquille Richardson, Arizona
A tall, long-armed defensive back, Richardson has an intriguing mix of size and speed, which is a very popular combination right now in the NFL. He has enough hip fluidity and foot quickness to play in space and play close to the line of scrimmage in press, but he needs to play with more consistency in coverage and vs. the run. Richardson had a positive week at the East-West Shrine practices and is a surprise omission from the Combine list.

OTHER CB SNUBS: Walt Aikens (Liberty), Carrington Byndom (Texas), Marcus Williams (North Dakota State)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED CB INVITEE: Dexter McDougle, Maryland

Safety – Denicos Allen, Michigan State
A key cog to the Spartan defense that won the Big Ten and Rose Bowl this past season, Allen played mostly linebacker at Michigan State but projects to more of a hybrid safety role at the next level. His “tweener” skill-set creates some concern, but he has the mental make-up and tenacity to play the run and drop in space.

OTHER S SNUBS: Sean Parker (Washington), Alden Darby (Arizona State), Hakeem Smith (Louisville)

PLEASANTLY SURPRISED INVITEE: Nat Berhe, San Diego State

mussop
02-05-2014, 03:48 PM
Thank god it's almost here. This board needs new things to argue about. :cowboy1:

I was hoping Lyeria wouldn't get invited and would fall through the cracks. That way we could pick him up as a free agent. He's going to impress someone enough to draft him even with his history.

mussop
02-05-2014, 04:31 PM
i cant wait till manziel upstages blake freaking bortles and that cross dressing bridgewater.

watch manziel prove the haters wrong.

just watch.

Seriously?

Showtime100
02-05-2014, 05:35 PM
I didn't know one could be proven wrong or right in a combine. No, they can't, I just looked it up.

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02-05-2014, 05:49 PM
Bruce Gaston, Morgan Breslin, DeDe Lattimore, Shaquil Barrett, Walt Aikens (Liberty) left out. Hopefully they'll be adjusted into the UO.

disaacks3
02-05-2014, 05:57 PM
i cant wait till manziel upstages blake freaking bortles and that cross dressing bridgewater.

watch manziel prove the haters wrong.

just watch.

Nothing anyone does at the combine will "prove" anything. That goes for any player, any position.

Folks that hate "x" now are still going to hate "x" after.

Mr teX
02-05-2014, 08:34 PM
i cant wait till manziel upstages blake freaking bortles and that cross dressing bridgewater.

watch manziel prove the haters wrong.

just watch.

This guy....:vincepalm:

TexansFTW
02-06-2014, 01:33 PM
Surprise QB invite: Dustin Vaughan

Gonna be huge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsJ5hpdjqs

_King_
02-06-2014, 01:49 PM
If prosch goes udfa, he's a guy I'd like to pick up.

This is going to be a great off season to pick up young talent.

Can't believe the combine is here so soon.

Dutchrudder
02-06-2014, 01:51 PM
Surprise QB invite: Dustin Vaughan

Gonna be huge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsJ5hpdjqs

He seems to have better throwing motion and footwork than Logan Thomas...

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02-06-2014, 05:11 PM
Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
The first regional combine of the year is this weekend in Houston. A invite-only super regional combine is April 12-13 in Detroit.

WolverineFan
02-07-2014, 04:43 PM
Surprise QB invite: Dustin Vaughan

Gonna be huge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsJ5hpdjqs

Is Vaughan the kid from West A&M? I was under the impression that he was just a camp arm like Yates was at the combine.

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02-09-2014, 10:47 AM
Regional combine gives three NFL long shots their big chance (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000324572/article/regional-combine-gives-three-nfl-long-shots-their-big-chance)
By Lance Zierlein - Special to NFL.com

Before Saturday's regional combine in Houston, I spent hours combing through stories and videos in an attempt to unearth a diamond in the rough.

Regional combines are full of long shots. They are open to all players who are eligible for the 2014 NFL Draft but were not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, as well as players eligible for previous drafts who have never signed an NFL contract and players who have played professionally in some capacity but have been out of action for a period of time.

Here are three players I tracked closely Saturday morning...

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02-09-2014, 10:51 AM
The 2014 NFL Regional Schedule follows: (https://www.nflregionalcombines.com/)
Date Location Facility
February 8-9* Houston Methodist Training Center
February 15-16* New York/New Jersey Atlantic Health Jets Training Facility
February 22 Los Angeles Orange Coast College-Lebard Stadium
March 1 Tampa Bay Tampa Bay Buccaneers Training Facility
March 8-9 Atlanta Atlanta Falcons Training Facility
March 15 Chicago Halas Hall at Conway Park
March 22 Miami Doctors Hospital Training Facility
March 22-23* Seattle Virginia Mason Athletic Center
March 29 Indianapolis Indian Farm Bureau Football Center
March 29-30 Baltimore Under Armour Performance Center

April 12-13 Detroit (SRC-invite only) Ford Field

*Kickers and Punters Combine (February 9, 16; March 23)

Players must qualify under NFL eligibility rules to be accepted. Players who are eligible for the 2014 Draft as Underclassmen, or players that are under contract to another professional football League are not permitted to attend NFL Regional Combines.

NFL Regional Combines are not fantasy camps. Applicants must meet NFL eligibility rules and be able to perform at a high skill level. The NFL reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to reject any applicant it determines to be unqualified or unfit to compete.

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2014, 02:57 PM
Surprise QB invite: Dustin Vaughan

Gonna be huge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsJ5hpdjqs

That was awesome, we better bring him into camp.

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2014, 03:00 PM
Regional combine gives three NFL long shots their big chance (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000324572/article/regional-combine-gives-three-nfl-long-shots-their-big-chance)
By Lance Zierlein - Special to NFL.com

Interesting read, wonder how many of these guys ever get to the show.

TexansFTW
02-10-2014, 01:23 PM
Is Vaughan the kid from West A&M? I was under the impression that he was just a camp arm like Yates was at the combine.

I don't think you watched the video.

He's nobody special, just a guy with a good personality. He won't get drafted and will be thankful to be a practice squad guy.

The video is just him being awesome and showing off his "skills".

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 05:52 PM
Regional Combine: Several pro prospects worthy of attention (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000324896/article/regional-combine-several-pro-prospects-worthy-of-attention)

By Lance Zierlein Special to NFL.com
"Eat! Go get some money! Eat!"

That refrain (and numerous variations) were heard during drills throughout Saturday's Regional Combine in Houston as participants in each position group encouraged other participants who were there chasing their dreams of playing in the NFL.

Regional Combines are open to all players who are eligible for the 2014 NFL Draft but were not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, as well as players eligible for previous drafts who have never signed an NFL contract and players who have played professionally in some capacity but have been out of action for a period of time.

Here are noteworthy players and performances from Saturday...

ObsiWan
02-10-2014, 06:01 PM
Did anyone report on the regional combine held here this past weekend??

I know it's a longshot but it happens...
Link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000223052/article/regional-combines-aiding-dozens-of-players-in-nfl-pursuit)
Earlier this year, NFL clubs signed players from all nine 2013 regional combines, and 29 teams currently have at least one regional combine participant on the roster. There currently are 118 players on rosters with regional combine experience.

Any word on walk-ons.

Oh and move this to the College/mock draft area if you guys think it fits better there.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 06:14 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
To repeat what I said post-Mobile: Handful of decision-makers told me there could be a dozen players in this draft better than ANYONE in 2013

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 06:19 PM
I put those in the "big" combine thread since they're all run by National:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103995

LZ attended posted.

drs23
02-10-2014, 06:19 PM
I didn't know one could be proven wrong or right in a combine. No, they can't, I just looked it up.

Gotta link? :kitten:











:D

Blake
02-11-2014, 12:18 PM
Casey Pachall did not receive an invitation. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000320180/article/report-tcu-qb-casey-pachall-snubbed-by-nfl-combine)

The case for: His sophomore season in 2011, playing in the Mountain West Conference, was nothing short of spectacular with 25 touchdowns, seven interceptions and nearly 3,000 yards. ... Pachall stands 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, same as LSU quarterback Zach Mettenberger, who is often described as having "prototypical" NFL size for the position. ... By the end of the 2012 season, he was the NCAA's No. 1-rated active quarterback in pass efficiency. In short, Pachall's talent isn't lacking.

The case against: In 2012, he left the team after four games, following a DWI arrest, for addiction treatment and missed the remainder of the season. ... Last year, after a broken arm cost him five games, he finished the season on the wrong side of the TD-INT ratio (6-10) and a career-low completion percentage (56.4). ... Based on appearances, what's gone right in Pachall's career happened before his arrest, and what's gone wrong has happened since.

I still think this guy has the tools and size to be an NFL starting QB down the road. Would be well worth a late round selection. Or you could see if he is interested in Houston as an UDFA.

TexansFTW
02-11-2014, 12:22 PM
Casey Pachall did not receive an invitation. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000320180/article/report-tcu-qb-casey-pachall-snubbed-by-nfl-combine)



I still think this guy has the tools and size to be an NFL starting QB down the road. Would be well worth a late round selection. Or you could see if he is interested in Houston as an UDFA.

He will be interested in anyone that offers him a shot as an UDFA. Same way Collin Klein was interested. I'm interested in bringing in any and all of those stories to rookie mini camp, it never hurts to give someone a look.

Whether he makes a practice squad is another thing, maybe even a team, but doubtful.

Blake
02-11-2014, 12:26 PM
He will be interested in anyone that offers him a shot as an UDFA. Same way Collin Klein was interested. I'm interested in bringing in any and all of those stories to rookie mini camp, it never hurts to give someone a look.

Whether he makes a practice squad is another thing, maybe even a team, but doubtful.

You mean the same way Collin Klein received several offers and was able to pick his team?

TexansFTW
02-11-2014, 12:52 PM
You mean the same way Collin Klein received several offers and was able to pick his team?

Interesting that I was not aware of the plethora of offers he received.

I remember him being signed the same day the draft ended on a non-guaranteed tryout offer. That doesn't seem like he was picking and choosing to me if the deal he accepted pretty much sucked.

I also checked this out and saw no mention of all these offers, but maybe he was, and maybe I am just not aware. For this I apologize.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8460/collin-klein

Blake
02-11-2014, 01:21 PM
Collin Klein hoped he would get selected in the NFL Draft, but when it didn’t happen the former Kansas State quarterback remained confident about his NFL future — for good reason.

Interested teams began calling as soon as the draft ended, and he was quickly presented with several quality options.

After evaluating them with his family and his agent, he decided to sign a free-agent contract with the Houston Texans.

Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2013/04/27/after-going-undrafted-collin-klein-excited-to-sign-free-agent-deal-with-houston-texans/#storylink=cpy

Link (http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2013/04/27/after-going-undrafted-collin-klein-excited-to-sign-free-agent-deal-with-houston-texans/)

IDEXAN
02-11-2014, 01:47 PM
Something I think they should do or maybe I should say wish they would do because it probably involves first amendment issues, but that's restrict disclosure of 40 yard sprint performances to only official times. The 40 is not really very important for most positions except a couple like the WRs & CBs.
So many times are released by the players' agents or others who have a vested interest/bias that the official times often get overlooked.

bah007
02-11-2014, 03:07 PM
You mean the same way Collin Klein received several offers and was able to pick his team?

Klein was offered a spot by multiple teams as a TE and came to Houston because Kubiak would let him tryout at QB.

TexansFTW
02-11-2014, 04:06 PM
Klein was offered a spot by multiple teams as a TE and came to Houston because Kubiak would let him tryout at QB.

I was pretty sure this was the case, but didn't want to create a petty argument. Thanks.

Blake
02-12-2014, 07:26 AM
Klein was offered a spot by multiple teams as a TE and came to Houston because Kubiak would let him tryout at QB.

I dont recall that being the case. Do you have a link or source so I can read up on it?

bah007
02-12-2014, 01:40 PM
I dont recall that being the case. Do you have a link or source so I can read up on it?

This conversation came up months ago and I remember posting a link but I can't find it now. I just did a quick search and couldn't find it, and I don't feel like scouring the internet so maybe it doesn't exist anymore.

I do recall that the majority of NFL teams wanted Klein to workout as a TE at the combine and he refused, saying he would only workout at QB.

Errant Hothy
02-12-2014, 01:46 PM
i cant wait till manziel upstages blake freaking bortles and that cross dressing bridgewater.

watch manziel prove the haters wrong.

just watch.

At the combine? How? By looking better in shorts?

None of the 3 are going to throw, but hey if that's not important to you thats ok with me.

mussop
02-12-2014, 08:24 PM
i cant wait till manziel upstages blake freaking bortles and that cross dressing bridgewater.

watch manziel prove the haters wrong.

just watch.

I hope we draft Bridgewater and Michael Sam just to watch you explode.

WolverineFan
02-13-2014, 02:02 AM
I hope we draft Bridgewater and Michael Sam just to watch you explode.

Bridgewater should do his combine interviews in drag just to spite him.

Marshall
02-13-2014, 06:28 AM
Bridgewater should do his combine interviews in drag just to spite him.

At least that would make the choice of who to draft at 1-1 one player fewer.

_King_
02-13-2014, 07:44 AM
Klein was offered a spot by multiple teams as a TE and came to Houston because Kubiak would let him tryout at QB.

Yep.

I think either kubiak or Klein himself commented on that.

jradMIT
02-13-2014, 11:24 AM
Is Bortles throwing? I know Manziel isn't, Is Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

Over/Under on 40 times


Manziel 4.5
Bridgewater 4.6
Bortles 4.8

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4
Bortles 6 4 1/2

Honoring Earl 34
02-13-2014, 11:30 AM
Is Bortles throwing? I know Manziel isn't, Is Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

Over/Under on 40 times


Manziel 4.5 over
Bridgewater 4.6 over
Bortles 4.8

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 under
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4
Bortles 6 4 1/2

My 2 cents .

TexansFTW
02-13-2014, 12:29 PM
Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

Over/Under on 40 times


Manziel 4.5 - Push (4.5 exactly, maybe over 4.51-4.54)
Bridgewater 4.6 - ^
Bortles 4.8 - over

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 - Under (6'0 1/8")
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 - Under (6'1 7/8")
Bortles 6 4 1/2 - Under (6' 3 5/8")

Playoffs
02-13-2014, 12:48 PM
Is Bortles throwing? I know Manziel isn't, Is Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

Over/Under on 40 times

Manziel 4.5 over
Bridgewater 4.6 over
Bortles 4.8 over
Clowney 4.5 under

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 under
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 under 6'1"/195
Bortles 6 4 1/2 over

kiwitexansfan
02-13-2014, 02:14 PM
Over/Under on 40 times

Manziel 4.5 over
Bridgewater 4.6 over
Bortles 4.8 over
Clowney 4.5 under

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 under
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 under 6'1"/195
Bortles 6 4 1/2 over

Over on all the 40 times, under on all the heights.

Playoffs, do you really think Clowney runs in the 4.4s?

infantrycak
02-13-2014, 03:38 PM
Over on all the 40 times, under on all the heights.

Playoffs, do you really think Clowney runs in the 4.4s?

And what is with everyone thinking Bortles is taller than advertised? That almost never happens.

Marshall
02-13-2014, 03:42 PM
Over/Under on 40 times

Manziel 4.5 (4.50-4.59) Push
Bridgewater 4.6 (4.60-4.69) Over
Bortles 4.8 (4.80-4.89) Over
Clowney 4.5 (4.50-4.59) Push

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 under
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 under
Bortles 6 4 1/2 push

htownfan32
02-13-2014, 04:00 PM
I would like to put forth the theory that LordBills is either a secret Longhorn or a secret Tide fan intentionally supporting Manziel in an effort to turn everyone else against him and Aggies in general :kitten:

Also, offseason sucks. Life's a drag without football.

Playoffs
02-13-2014, 04:30 PM
Playoffs, do you really think Clowney runs in the 4.4s?He said he ran a 4.46 in the summer, that 4.4 is his goal. Would be amazing at 272, IMO.

And what is with everyone thinking Bortles is taller than advertised? That almost never happens.Read a couple people who stood next to him felt he was more 6'5". We'll see. Arm strength is his concern for me, physically.

ArlingtonTexan
02-13-2014, 04:34 PM
Manziel 4.5 (under)
Bridgewater 4.6 (over)
Bortles 4.8 (under)

drs23
02-13-2014, 04:35 PM
Bridgewater should do his combine interviews in drag just to spite him.

He's not going to do well in heels! :kitten:

beerlover
02-13-2014, 04:41 PM
He said he ran a 4.46 in the summer, that 4.4 is his goal. Would be amazing at 272, IMO.

Read a couple people who stood next to him felt he was more 6'5". We'll see. Arm strength is his concern for me, physically.

My main concern are his feet. That really set-back Mario, plantar-fasciitis, sprained big toe & other foot disorders. If Clowney's wheels are good (do Texans have same medical team or have they learned how to evaluate) he should bring serious trade offers, if not take BPA.

IDEXAN
02-13-2014, 05:02 PM
My main concern are his feet. That really set-back Mario, plantar-fasciitis, sprained big toe & other foot disorders. If Clowney's wheels are good (do Texans have same medical team or have they learned how to evaluate) he should bring serious trade offers, if not take BPA.
You aren't saying that you think Clowney will attract trade offers from other teams to the Texans' for their 1.1 just because he checks out medically are you ?
And I would look for Clowney to run in the 4.60 - 4.70 range.

Marshall
02-13-2014, 05:11 PM
He said he ran a 4.46 in the summer, that 4.4 is his goal. Would be amazing at 272, IMO.

Read a couple people who stood next to him felt he was more 6'5". We'll see. Arm strength is his concern for me, physically.

Some people forget the added height from cleats or shoes when estimating height up close. I know my son at 6'7" is over 7' after adding his gear (both boots and helmet add significantly to final height.

And with myself at 6'2", I thought Hakeem was much shorter than the 7' reported when I met him. It actually shocked me. I just didn't have to look up that much.

But the Combine should answer the question. It's like waiting for the water to boil.

kiwitexansfan
02-13-2014, 05:15 PM
He said he ran a 4.46 in the summer, that 4.4 is his goal. Would be amazing at 272, IMO.

And what is with everyone thinking Bortles is taller than advertised? That almost never happens.

http://newdigital-world.com/attachments/traders-joking/3101d1381388198-traders-joking-keep-calm-everybody-lies.png

WolverineFan
02-13-2014, 05:29 PM
I'm still shocked at how many people think Manziel will run a sub-4.5 at the combine. Only 5 QB's have ever done it (Reggie McNeal, Robert Griffin, Marcus Vick, Denard Robinson, & Brad Smith) and Griffin is the only one who didn't change positions at the next level.

Playoffs
02-13-2014, 09:36 PM
I'm still shocked at how many people think Manziel will run a sub-4.5 at the combine. Only 5 QB's have ever done it (Reggie McNeal, Robert Griffin, Marcus Vick, Denard Robinson, & Brad Smith) and Griffin is the only one who didn't change positions at the next level.

Yep, not happening. http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc366/PlagueEleven/Smileys/no.gif

disaacks3
02-14-2014, 09:09 AM
I'm still shocked at how many people think Manziel will run a sub-4.5 at the combine. Only 5 QB's have ever done it (Reggie McNeal, Robert Griffin, Marcus Vick, Denard Robinson, & Brad Smith) and Griffin is the only one who didn't change positions at the next level. I'm shocked at the number of people who find it shocking. He ran away from SEC defenders for two years, he's got some wheels.

I won't be shocked with a 4.45, nor will I be shocked with a 4.60. I'm not expecting outside of that range.

jradMIT
02-14-2014, 10:56 AM
Some people forget the added height from cleats or shoes when estimating height up close. I know my son at 6'7" is over 7' after adding his gear (both boots and helmet add significantly to final height.

And with myself at 6'2", I thought Hakeem was much shorter than the 7' reported when I met him. It actually shocked me. I just didn't have to look up that much.

But the Combine should answer the question. It's like waiting for the water to boil.


Hakeem was actually 6 10 3/4

Texian
02-14-2014, 11:30 AM
I'm shocked at the number of people who find it shocking. He ran away from SEC defenders for two years, he's got some wheels.

I won't be shocked with a 4.45, nor will I be shocked with a 4.60. I'm not expecting outside of that range.

a 4.45 and 4.6 are exceptional times for an NFL QB.

And what is with everyone thinking Bortles is taller than advertised? That almost never happens.

He was listed as 6'4" on team bio, Bortles says he is 6'5" and change. Johnny Manziel says he is 6'0". People who have met Johnny and stood next to him say he is 5'10. In a couple of weeks those questions are no longer.

beerlover
02-14-2014, 11:46 AM
You aren't saying that you think Clowney will attract trade offers from other teams to the Texans' for their 1.1 just because he checks out medically are you ?
And I would look for Clowney to run in the 4.60 - 4.70 range.

If Clowney checks out as medically sound that would erase a lot of his detractors (me for one) maybe not all but more than likely a sound business that does through research into a major investments. :kitten:

Playoffs
02-15-2014, 12:38 PM
tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top

Bucky Brooks ‏@BuckyBrooks
Regardless of their performance, I respect the willingness to put their talents on display in a pressure-packed environment

If he is a big-time guy & willing to put it on display, I have a tendency to give those guys a little extra when I discuss them in meetings

That's why it's a gamble when guys don't work out.. Everyone won't see the performance.. Plus, it's "all or nothing" at Pro Day.

Prospect can wait to perform at Pro Day, but he won't have the same stage at the combine. Team may only send scout, position coach to ProDay

3. Working out at #NFLCombine allows every GM, HC and scout to see the player showcase his skills. Every decision maker is in the building

Players have a built-in mulligan by working at the combine. Pro Day workout can erase poor workout in Indy.

(Cont) from any workout is recorded & used as the number on the player card. That's why there's nothing to lose at the combine.

Plus, teams will use the best measurement for final draft grade. Whether it's at the combine or Pro Day, the best 40, VJ, Shuttles or broad

A poor workout is kept in perspective because the tape evaluation outweighs everything else. Some guys just aren't great testers.

If a player runs slower than expected or looks tight during the workout, scouts will go back and see if the issues showed up on tape

2. Combine workouts don't negatively impact grade. Scouts use workouts to confirm what they've witnessed on tape. Speed/AA checked vs. Film

Doctors are evaluating long-term prospects. Is the player subject to re-injury or long-term issues based on prior medical history

1. Interviews and medical evaluations are most important. Teams are assessing character & potential locker room fit.

IDEXAN
02-16-2014, 11:46 AM
With the Combine starting in a few days and there being so much interests on the 40 yard times, let me be the first to say this: the only times that count are the official times recorded and reported by the Combine committee.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 02:48 PM
Combine storylines to watch: Offense (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/17/2014-combine-storylines-offense/) http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/rugby/football-catching-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

Combine storylines to watch: Defense (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/17/2014-combine-storylines-defense/) http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/rugby/football-collision-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

Most controversial prospects in NFL draft (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326191/article/johnny-manziel-leads-most-controversial-prospects-in-14-nfl-draft) http://www.blackvisions.org/Boards/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/96.gif

This last piece and others like it are being met with mixed emotions...

kiwitexansfan
02-17-2014, 04:55 PM
Glad TB is throwing.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 05:48 PM
Most controversial prospects in NFL draft (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326191/article/johnny-manziel-leads-most-controversial-prospects-in-14-nfl-draft) http://www.blackvisions.org/Boards/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/96.gif

This last piece and others like it are being met with mixed emotions...

Why Is The NFL Getting In Bed With Football's Infamous Troll Scout? (http://deadspin.com/why-is-the-nfl-getting-in-bed-with-footballs-infamous-1524613372)

_King_
02-17-2014, 06:35 PM
I'm excited to see how van noy stacks up. My favorite prospect I've seen. Love how he plays.

revan
02-17-2014, 06:37 PM
I'm excited to see how van noy stacks up. My favorite prospect I've seen. Love how he plays.

Me too, I will keep a close eye on him along with Dee Ford. We could have one of them in the second round.

Texian
02-17-2014, 06:42 PM
Why Is The NFL Getting In Bed With Football's Infamous Troll Scout? (http://deadspin.com/why-is-the-nfl-getting-in-bed-with-footballs-infamous-1524613372)

Deadspin, Tom Ley, I believe this is an article by a Troll calling himself out.

disaacks3
02-17-2014, 06:56 PM
With the Combine starting in a few days and there being so much interests on the 40 yard times, let me be the first to say this: the only times that count are the official times recorded and reported by the Combine committee. Scouts tend to keep their own watches and trust them far more than the electronic timing.

Why Is The NFL Getting In Bed With Football's Infamous Troll Scout? (http://deadspin.com/why-is-the-nfl-getting-in-bed-with-footballs-infamous-1524613372)

Nawrocki is good for comedy hour.

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 10:12 AM
Why Is The NFL Getting In Bed With Football's Infamous Troll Scout? (http://deadspin.com/why-is-the-nfl-getting-in-bed-with-footballs-infamous-1524613372)

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
From Gabriel (2/2) “But now, Nolan has crossed the line with this character assassination."

From G.Gabriel, “We let Nolan sit in with us in Chicago(Bears) during summer meetings when he was getting his start.” (1/2)

http://www.sports790.com/onair/the-proper-gentlemen-of-sports-52356/greg-gabriel-discusses-the-nolan-nawrocki-evaluations-12076400/

You've got a guy who has never called a school in his life and who has never had to draft a player in his life just crucifying a kid in his column... the fact that it's on NFL.com surprises me.

2014 NFL Draft: Anonymous strikes again (http://www.sbnation.com/2014/2/17/5420108/2014-nfl-draft-nolan-nawrocki-johnny-manziel-scouting-report)

IDEXAN
02-18-2014, 11:04 AM
Scouts tend to keep their own watches and trust them far more than the electronic timing.



Nawrocki is good for comedy hour.
Scouts have their own vested interests just as agents do, but at the very least there's no consistency. I say have everybody's time recorded/reported by the same official timer which eliminates both inconsistancy and the opportunity of a self-interested party submitting an overly favorable/unfavorable performance.

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 11:26 AM
Scouts have their own vested interests...
National Scouting puts on the Combine and provides the data. They give teams six times -- 2 handheld, 1 hand started/laser stopped for two attempts. Teams interpret as they deem fit.

They continue to use PET, which relies on human element. FAT(fully automatic) was tested but those outcomes were never made public. No good reason why they won't go FAT that I've found, except a suggestion that those times would be slower.

Texian
02-18-2014, 01:27 PM
Much of what Nawrocki says is common discussion and part of scouting reports behind closed doors. What is shocking to some is Nawrocki is doing it with the doors open in a public domain.

disaacks3
02-18-2014, 01:42 PM
Much of what Nawrocki says is common discussion and part of scouting reports behind closed doors. What is shocking to some is Nawrocki is doing it with the doors open in a public domain. "Common discussion" for whom? It's amazing that his takes include analysis without ever actually meeting the subject.

While that might work for film analysis, it sure doesn't account for gems like - "Me first", "not a leader by example or known to inspire by his words", "too much of a follower" "Not a student of the game" "Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire" "Mild practice demeanor — no urgency" "sets a bad example", "not depandable".

Even better is when those takes differ drastically from those who know, coach and have actaully spent time with the player in question.

He's trying to be the scout equivalent of a shock jock. While it might be entertaining, it's useless as a source of actual news.

TexansFTW
02-18-2014, 02:16 PM
Much of what Nawrocki says is common discussion and part of scouting reports behind closed doors. What is shocking to some is Nawrocki is doing it with the doors open in a public domain.

Nice Try... Nolan Nawrocki

Texian
02-18-2014, 03:38 PM
"Common discussion" for whom? It's amazing that his takes include analysis without ever actually meeting the subject.

While that might work for film analysis, it sure doesn't account for gems like - "Me first", "not a leader by example or known to inspire by his words", "too much of a follower" "Not a student of the game" "Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire" "Mild practice demeanor — no urgency" "sets a bad example", "not depandable".

Even better is when those takes differ drastically from those who know, coach and have actaully spent time with the player in question.

He's trying to be the scout equivalent of a shock jock. While it might be entertaining, it's useless as a source of actual news.

Clearly you're guessing and really don't know. Nawrocki collects his information by delving deep like actual real scouts do. Nawrocki contacts friends, family, coaches, associates, students, teammates etc. That is where he collects and gathers information on perspective players. A very common practice by full time NFL scouts. When you getting ready to sign someone to a multi year multi million $ contract you want to know more than just how fast they can run on a football field. Nawrocki gives you that experience whether you like or agree with it or not. What Nawrocki is writing is what is being said on a daily basis throughout NFL scouting offices across the league.

Texian
02-18-2014, 03:39 PM
Nice Try... Nolan Nawrocki

Open your eyes....

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 04:06 PM
Blake Bortles ‏@BBortles5
Dreamt about the combine since I was a kid! Fired up to compete in all aspects of it, especially throwing!

disaacks3
02-18-2014, 04:09 PM
Clearly you're guessing and really don't know. Nawrocki collects his information by delving deep like actual real scouts do. Nawrocki contacts friends, family, coaches, associates, students, teammates etc. That is where he collects and gathers information on perspective players. A very common practice by full time NFL scouts. When you getting ready to sign someone to a multi year multi million $ contract you want to know more than just how fast they can run on a football field. Nawrocki gives you that experience whether you like or agree with it or not. What Nawrocki is writing is what is being said on a daily basis throughout NFL scouting offices across the league. Clearly your google-fu needs some work.

:kubepalm:

Come back and tell us how many of Cam Newton's coaches/teammates/friends/family/associates agreed with Nawrocki's analysis.

The next time Nawrocki "delves deep" will be the first.

Texian
02-18-2014, 04:40 PM
Clearly your google-fu needs some work.

:kubepalm:

Come back and tell us how many of Cam Newton's coaches/teammates/friends/family/associates agreed with Nawrocki's analysis.

The next time Nawrocki "delves deep" will be the first.

More than you would think, Rivera had to add a 6th captain to make Cam a Captain, read what Smith and Gross had to say, and the story goes Pro Bowl players really wanted little to do with Cam at the Pro Bowl. The story is the OL laid down refusing to block for Cam.

like I said...you really don't know....but I'm here to help

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cam+Newton+offends+pro+bowl+teammates&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox&channel=sb

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cam-newton-steve-smith-carolina-panthers-092112


Your Welcome!

Texian
02-18-2014, 04:58 PM
Let's get this party started.....

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m

First set of combine participants have arrived here in Indy today. Nice day; missed snow, cold by a day. #NFLCombine

aussie_texan
02-18-2014, 06:39 PM
when are the weigh ins and heights done for QBs???

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 06:54 PM
when are the weigh ins and heights done for QBs???

Wednesday, Feb. 19: Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Thursday, Feb. 20: Measurements, medical examinations, media, interviews

Friday, Feb. 21: NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, kickers and specialists workout, bench press, interviews

Saturday, Feb. 22: Tight ends, offensive linemen, special teams drills

Sunday, Feb. 23: Quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers drills

Monday, Feb. 24: Defensive linemen, linebackers drills

Tuesday, Feb. 25: Defensive backs drills

Live Stream: nfl.com/combine/live (http://www.nfl.com/combine/live)

aussie_texan
02-18-2014, 07:30 PM
Wednesday, Feb. 19: Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Thursday, Feb. 20: Measurements, medical examinations, media, interviews

Friday, Feb. 21: NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, kickers and specialists workout, bench press, interviews

Saturday, Feb. 22: Tight ends, offensive linemen, special teams drills

Sunday, Feb. 23: Quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers drills

Monday, Feb. 24: Defensive linemen, linebackers drills

Tuesday, Feb. 25: Defensive backs drills

Live Stream: nfl.com/combine/live (http://www.nfl.com/combine/live)

msr. thanks mate

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 07:41 PM
More specifically...

Wednesday, Feb. 19
• PK/ST/OL/TE medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Thursday, Feb. 20
• PK/ST/OL/TE measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• QB/WR/RB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Friday, Feb. 21
• PK/ST workout; PK/ST/OL/TE bench press, psychological testing, interviews
• QB/WR/RB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• DL/LB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Saturday, Feb. 22
• OL/TE on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• QB/WR/RB psychological testing, bench press, interviews
• DL/LB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• DB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Sunday, Feb. 23
• QB/WR/RB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• DL/LB psychological testing, bench press, interviews
• DB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews

Monday, Feb. 24
• DL/LB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• DB psychological testing, bench press, interviews

Tuesday, Feb. 25
• DB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)

disaacks3
02-18-2014, 11:21 PM
More than you would think, Rivera had to add a 6th captain to make Cam a Captain, read what Smith and Gross had to say, and the story goes Pro Bowl players really wanted little to do with Cam at the Pro Bowl. The story is the OL laid down refusing to block for Cam.

like I said...you really don't know....but I'm here to help

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cam+Newton+offends+pro+bowl+teammates&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox&channel=sb

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cam-newton-steve-smith-carolina-panthers-092112


Your Welcome! Try again Suzie. You were asked to provide any confirmation from his collegiate career (you know, the one that Nawrocki supposedly based his evaluation on). You whiffed, miserably.

BTW - You really, REALLY ned to actually look at the stories your 2nd link pulls up (you know, that Google search?). It shows how far off Nawrocki's analysis was. Go ahead, man up and read the first four stories from your Google search.

1st article - Link (http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Pro-Bowl-draft-pairs-Newton-with-defensive-teammates/b14ea0ce-2024-4000-9d8a-b4990f3413b8)
"This is a physical sport, and it's hard to simulate when you're trying to protect a person's career," Newton said. "You don't want anyone to leave Hawaii injured and have to sit out next year.

"You've got to play smart and have fun, but you've also got to be competitive as well. With the format this year, it will bring a twist that will be good for the fans."

Regardless of which team he landed on, Newton is thrilled to be surrounded by his real teammates – those that wear Panthers black and blue.

"It's great," Newton said. "We've got Luke, Kalil, Jordan, J.J., Tolbert and Kraken – and a lot of guys that aren't here that deserve to be here."

2nd article - Link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934694-cam-newton-should-show-everyone-how-much-hes-grown-since-first-pro-bowl)
So, how much has Newton grown since then?

For starters, he changed his demeanor and attitude around dramatically in his third season as the Panthers quarterback. His actions weren't defined as brooding or sulking but rather those of a leader. Over the course of the 2013-14 season, Newton would engineer four come-from-behind wins, three of which were against playoff contenders.

3rd article - Link (http://deadspin.com/the-big-book-of-black-quarterbacks-1517763742/1524699699/+DeadspinStaff)
Nawrocki has carved out a niche for himself as the fearless, dyspeptic critic of black guys' comportment (see his scouting report for Geno Smith), but he's really only channeling the ancient, mostly suppressed chauvinism of pro football's management class, which flowers anew in the runup to every draft. That's when we hear about players' "character issues," a broad-unto-meaninglessness category under which everything from pot smoking to sexual assault gets classified. That's when we hear about attitude problems and "fake smiles" and a "selfish, me-first makeup." (It's anyone's guess how much of this is disinformation promulgated in the hopes of sandbagging a desired prospect.


4th article - Link (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/23106985/more-comfortable-newton-dials-up-mature-charm-down-aloofness)

That's in the past now. He's also doing a better job of endearing himself to his teammates. He still isn't one of those hangout guys with them, but he's getting better at interacting with them.

Rivera has noticed.

"One of the things he's taken to heart is that it's not just about him wanting to be the best, it's about him wanting to help make his teammates the best," Rivera said. "You notice that now more."

Sure, I may "not know". It's certain Nawrocki doesn't. He's probably not the coattails you were looking to ride on. Should I attach a Google search for Nawrocki & 1diot?

matts290
02-18-2014, 11:24 PM
I think arguing about scouts should be banned, or at least go make another sub forum about it. Annoying as **** coming into read about football players and everyone is arguing about whether or not some fat bald guy is smart or not.

disaacks3
02-18-2014, 11:32 PM
I think arguing about scouts should be banned, or at least go make another sub forum about it. Annoying as **** coming into read about football players and everyone is arguing about whether or not some fat bald guy is smart or not. Technically, it is "reading about football players" when the aforementioned fat bald guy starts dissing them from afar, but I digress.

Mods: Feel free to take the "troll scout" entries in here elsewhere.

matts290
02-18-2014, 11:43 PM
Technically, it is "reading about football players" when the aforementioned fat bald guy starts dissing them from afar, but I digress.

Mods: Feel free to take the "troll scout" entries in here elsewhere.

No I gotcha, I just think its a dumb habit a lot of us are in that instead of defending our players via football facts, we defend the scouts that defend them is a pseudo defensive type of way. :evil:

Anyways, two of the things I am looking forward most to in he combine is Manziel's 3 cone time and Bridgewaters hand size. Manziel's 3 cone time doesn't really have a whole lot of impact on his draft stock, but I think it is going to be insanely fast.

disaacks3
02-18-2014, 11:49 PM
No I gotcha, I just think its a dumb habit a lot of us are in that instead of defending our players via football facts, we defend the scouts that defend them is a pseudo defensive type of way. :evil:

Anyways, two of the things I am looking forward most to in he combine is Manziel's 3 cone time and Bridgewaters hand size. Manziel's 3 cone time doesn't really have a whole lot of impact on his draft stock, but I think it is going to be insanely fast. The three-cone is one of the ones I'm waiting for too. It'll be interesting to see if Bortles is on par with Bridgewater.

matts290
02-18-2014, 11:56 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Bortles is on par with Bridgewater.

I highly doubt it, Bortles is an above average athlete at the QB position, but I don't think his 3 cone time will be on par with Bridgewater if for nothing than the simple physics of him being taller and heavier.

Clowney's will be interesting too, I think he will run something similar too what Barkevious Mingo ran last year at a 6.84, maybe a little faster.

Texian
02-19-2014, 08:27 AM
First report out of Indy:

CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB 9m

Cowboys win coin toss, giving them No. 16 overall draft pick. Ravens will pick at No. 17. http://on.nfl.com/1oRJL4B

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 09:11 AM
Justin Gilbert, Dri Archer head race to be combine's fastest man (http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000000326565/article/justin-gilbert-dri-archer-among-candidates-to-be-combines-fastest)
In the NFL, speed matters. So it's little wonder that the 40-yard dash is annually one of the most hotly anticipated drills at the NFL Scouting Combine. Running a blistering time is one of the quickest ways for a prospect to build buzz, especially if he can nab the title of combine's fastest. Think of how receiver Marquise Goodwin turned heads in 2013 after he posted a 4.27-second 40 -- the best time in five years.

Who will go down as the fastest player in Indianapolis this year? Here's a list of five candidates with a great shot:

Bucky Brooks: 10 players with big questions to answer at combine (http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000000326394/article/brooks-10-players-with-big-questions-to-answer-at-combine)
The NFL Scouting Combine is viewed as a glorified track meet by some observers, but scouts and coaches view the event as a four-day job interview. Personnel men will bombard top prospects with a variety of questions to assess their background profile and football character heading into the NFL. Although these interviews are cross-referenced with discussions with former coaches, administrators and teammates, the 15- to 30-minute conversations play a significant role on the final evaluations.

Given the importance of the interview process, I thought I would put on my scout's hat and come up with a pressing question for 10 of the most intriguing prospects in the draft. While I don't know how each player will respond, I can give you an idea of how teams will approach the interview process in Indianapolis to get to the answers needed to make solid assessments going forward.

Without further ado, here's what these players can expect to hear in meeting rooms at the combine:

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Question: Do you love football?

Answer I would like to hear...

2. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Question: Do you want to be a star or a champion?

Answer I would like to hear...

3. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Question: Why did your production slip dramatically in 2013?
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4. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
Question: How will you adjust to the increased competition in the NFL?
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5. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Question: What makes you the best cover corner in the 2014?
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6. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Question: What is your best defensive position?
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7. Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State
Question: Did your added weight negatively affect your game in 2013?
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8. Michael Sam, DE, Missouri
Question: Are you comfortable moving to OLB as a pro?
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9. Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida
Question: What kept you from playing to your potential this season?
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10. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Question: Do you have any concerns about taking punishment at your current size?
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2014 NFL Scouting Combine preview (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/2/19/5419012/2014-nfl-combine-preview-michael-sam-jadeveon-clowney)
Dan Kadar
The 2014 NFL Scouting Combine begins on Thursday, with media sessions running through Sunday and workouts going until Tuesday. Deride the combine all you want; it is sort of strange. But the event carries a considerable amount of weight for teams.

Most importantly, teams can perform medical evaluations (the original intention of the combine), get official sizes for underclassmen entrants and interview players. Those are the most important things for teams at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.

The TV glitz and glamor events – drills and press conferences – will overtake football media over the next several days. Here are the key storylines to follow at this year's combine...


2014 NFL Combine: 10 prospects with the most to gain/lose (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24448143/nfl-combine-10-prospects-with-the-most-to-gainlose)
Dane Brugler
Stop me if you've heard this before, but the Combine is just one piece to the overall puzzle that is the NFL Draft process. But it's an extremely important piece and far more than just 40-yard dash times.

From the medical evaluation to the team interviews and all the on-field drills, the NFL Combine puts the top prospects under the same microscope. Indianapolis becomes NFL headquarters for a week and NFL hopefuls are put through an intense ringer that is a 24/7 job interview. Lives will change at the NFL Combine, some positively and others negatively. Of the 331 prospects invited to the NFL Combine last year, 32 went in the first round (10.3%) and 109 went undrafted (32.9%).

Fact is, this list could include all 300+ names because each prospect has something to gain or lose at the NFL Combine, but these 10 stand out as prospects who could make or lose substantial money in Indianapolis this week.

10. TE Colt Lyerla, Ex-Oregon
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9. WR Martavis Bryant, Clemson
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8. CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State
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7. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
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6. Notre Dame DL: Louis Nix, Stephon Tuitt
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5. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
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4. Physical marvels: OT Greg Robinson, DE Jadeveon Clowney
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3. DT Dominique Easley, Florida
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2. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
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1. All 19 Quarterbacks
...

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Derek Carr deemed @SeniorBowl prep more important, and will throw at Fresno St.’s Pro Day. With positive SB reviews, no need to deviate.

#Fresno St. QB Derek Carr will not throw at @NFL Scouting Combine, per source. He will do other drills. Carr will throw at Fresno’s Pro Day

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 10:40 AM
2014 NFL Combine: From 40 times to Fritos, 10 Bold Predictions (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24448199/scouting-combine-from-40-times-to-fritos-10-bold-predictions)
10. News flash - fast guys run fast. There will be plenty of eye-popping results from lower-level players, but expect South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney, Buffalo's Khalil Mack and UCLA's Anthony Barr - the three highest-rated defenders on NFLDraftScout.com's board - to star in this setting. Don't be surprised if each is clocked in the 4.5-second range in the 40-yard dash.

9. Speedsters in surprising packages. Speaking of the 40, the top times typically recorded each year come from wide receivers or cornerbacks, but watch out for a pair of running backs - Baylor's Lache Seastrunk and Oregon's De'Anthony Thomas - to light up the track.

8. Sleepers at Receiver. Extending the limb a bit, write down the names of these four wide receivers: Fresno State's Davante Adams, Wyoming's Robert Herron, New Mexico State's Austin Franklin, Saginaw Valley State's Jeff Janis and Colorado's Paul Richardson. Each may post all-around workouts that rival or perhaps even beat the efforts this week from Clemson's Sammy Watkins or Southern Cal's Marqise Lee, the two best receivers in the 2014 draft.

7. With Risers, come Fallers. Many NFL personnel types will tell you that a poor workout at the combine can't hurt your grade, but watch how Michigan State cornerback Darqueze Dennard and Florida State wideout Kelvin Benjamin slip down mock drafts when each turns in a slower than ideal 40 time. Neither looks faster than mid-4.5s on tape and times in the 4.6s wouldn't shock me.

6. Big speed. A final note on the 40; two years ago Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe sprung up draft boards by clocking in at 4.89 seconds at 6-feet-4, 346 pounds. This year's fastest "fat" guy will be Minnesota's RaShede Hageman, who measured in at 6-6, 318 pounds a few weeks ago at the Senior Bowl and may prove even faster. (Quick side note, because getting beaten to a bloody pulp is decidedly not among the things I'd like to have occur in Indianapolis, let's keep the calling 'Shede "fat" between us, okay?)

5. Teddy will be ready. Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater won't be fat but after officially being listed at 6-3, 205 pounds for the Cardinals throughout his junior season, expect him to weigh in significantly heavier in Indianapolis, easing some of the concerns scouts have about his ability to hold up physically in the NFL.

4. Wiz kid could challenge Wonderlic. The NFL says the famed Wonderlic isn't an intelligence test, but Penn State right guard John Urschel is smart enough to recognize the exam for what it is. This year's recipient of the William V. Campbell Trophy as the nation's top football scholar-athlete is smart enough to recognize plenty of things. He earned a 4.0 GPA while receiving his Master's Degree in Mathematics in May, and spent his off-time teaching a class (Trigonometry and Analytic Geometry) to fellow Penn State students. Further, he had a paper published -- "Instabilities of the Sun-Jupiter-Asteroid Three Body Problem" -- last spring in the journal, Celestial Mechanics and Dynamical Astronomy.

Math is one of several content areas found on the Wonderlic and therefore it is possible that Urschel may not get a perfect score. If he doesn't, I'm pretty confident that with a series of pie charts and bar graphs, he'll be to convince us that his test was actually better than perfect and that the whole 100 percent idea is actually throwing off his Bell curve.

3. Most on the line. Former Oregon tight end Colt Lyerla doesn't have to prove he's as smart as Urschel, but his maturity will definitely be tested in Indianapolis. Because of poor choices off the field, no one has more riding on their combine performance than Lyerla. If his conditioning is right, Lyerla will post first-round caliber results in the athletic testing. It will be the drug and psychological testing, as well as the interviews, however, that will determine when - or if - a team gambles on his immense upside.

2. Focus on Sam shifts back to field. Michael Sam's interview session with the media will generate more buzz than any player workout at the combine. Unfortunately, that includes Sam's work out, which, frankly, I don't expect to be that impressive. The 6-1 5/8, 260-pounder struggled at outside linebacker at the Senior Bowl, showing limited flexibility and agility. He'll be working out with defensive linemen at the combine, but I expect that his results in the 40, three cone drill and short shuttle are likely to place him very much in the middle-of-the-pack among this group.

1. How brittle is Manziel's chip? While he has already announced that he won't be participating in any athletic testing until his personal pro day March 27, Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel remains the "big" story of the 2014 draft, and therefore by extension the combine.

Just how big remains to be seen.

Manziel was officially listed at 6-1, 210 pounds by the Aggies and what he actually measures in at will be the first of many important tests he'll face in Indianapolis. Another will be what kind of composure he'll show when facing critics who question his assertion that if the Houston Texans select anyone other than him at No. 1, it will be "the worst decision they've ever made."

Electing not to compete on the field at the combine could prove one of the worst decisions Manziel has ever made.

While no one questions Manziel's confidence or improvisational skill, there are plenty of concerns about his accuracy, including when standing still in the pocket - a trait certain to be tested in the combine's drills but not necessarily as much so during Manziel's choreographed session a month and a half from now.

Should Bridgewater, Central Florida's Blake Bortles or Fresno State's Derek Carr take advantage of Manziel's absence with a spectacular throwing session in Indianapolis, they could be the quarterback vaulting up draft boards.

If that were to occur, it won't matter much if the "chip" on Manziel's shoulder was a Frito, Dorito or Tostito. Hate to Ruffles anyone feathers, but rather than Lays down, why not show some Pringles and compete?

disaacks3
02-19-2014, 11:02 AM
These are actually pretty good. If the player is stupid enough to answer these wrong, it definitely wouldn't bode well.

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Question: Do you love football?

2. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Question: Do you want to be a star or a champion?

10. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Question: Do you have any concerns about taking punishment at your current size?

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 04:52 PM
Combine Watch: Small-school stars who could shine in Indianapolis (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/19/nfl-combine-watch-small-schools-fcs-division-ii/)
Every year at the scouting combine, there are those smaller-school players who seem to rise up from out of nowhere to impress the general public. Of course, none of this happens in a vacuum — you don’t get an invitation to the combine in the first place without a lot of good tape and some sort of proof that you would have potential against better competition. Here are 16 names you should remember as the combine rolls along through this week and into the next...

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
I can't believe the Cowboys won that coin toss today (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24448335/nfl-draft-cowboys-win-coin-flip-pick-16th). It's their first post-season win since 2009.

:bravo:

mussop
02-19-2014, 05:25 PM
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED DT INVITEE: Mike Pennel, Colorado State – Pueblo

Really want to check this guy out.

Playoffs
02-19-2014, 10:07 PM
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Of the 331 prospects invited last yr, 109 went undrafted (32.9%)

32 players were drafted last yr who weren't at Combine

There are 335 prospects in Indianapolis this week. There are only 256 picks in the 2014 #NFLDraft. This week is VERY important

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 08:45 AM
Greg Robinson's arm length- 35 inches.

Cyrus Kouandjio- 6'6 3/4 322.

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 09:10 AM
Patriots Belichick is now breaking down combine drills. He seems to value the three-cone.

Howie Roseman of the Eagles said more college teams running a three-man front helps find pass rush linebackers now.

49ers Jim Harbaugh on Manziel, "Impressed. Competitive. winner." Traits will translate well to NFL. (Yes, wearing those khakis.) Asked to name his favorite Combine interview ever Jim Harbaugh says ...he "loved Cam Newton." (Two odd ducks, anyone else in that room probably thought the were speaking a different languagehttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif)

Lions Jim Caldwell up -- personal note, always impresses the heck out of me. “A lot of people want to talk about things that aren’t important, like is he elite…" on Stafford. "Whether or not he's elite doesn't matter. We want a championship QB."

Falcons Mike Smith classifies Dee Ford and Greg Robinson as "very good players," -- Wait, wut??? Stating the obvious.

Bears Marc Trestman -- "going to be a defensive oriented draft." No surprise.

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert: "I've been doing this 30 some years and this is the deepest draft I've seen." Also said least mature group of players, will have to do more player development.

Titans Ken Whisenhunt says he does not know what the Titans biggest needs are just yet. Needs to spend time with players on the field. (Wrong answer). Avoids being drawn into Browns clusterfart.

Combine Watch: Small-school stars who could shine in Indianapolis (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/19/nfl-combine-watch-small-schools-fcs-division-ii/)

2014 NFL Combine Preview: Potential Patriots at Each Position (http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/02/2014-nfl-combine-preview-potential-patriots-at-each-position.html?) -- works for me

Josh Norris: NFL Combine Preview (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46290/351/norris-nfl-combine-preview) -- good stuff in here

Grantland -- Welcome to the NFL’s SATs (http://grantland.com/features/welcome-to-the-nfls-sats/)

http://static.nfl.com/static/content//public/static/img/navigation/shields/header-shield.png

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 09:34 AM
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks (https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks)
Greg Robinson's arm length- 35 inches, 320 lbs., 6'5"

Cyrus Kouandjio- 6'6 3/4 322.

Jake Matthews at 6'5/308 lbs with 33 3/8" arms and 9 7/8"

Taylor Lewan measured in at 6'7/309 pounds with 33 78" arms. 9 1/4" hands.

Stanford OG David Yankey- 6'5 5/8 315 with 34 inch arms

USC's Marcus Martin -- 6'3 3/8 320 with 34 inch arms...can play all 3 interior spots

Eric Ebron 6'4 3/8 250

ND TE Troy Niklas 6'6.5" 270…“Chiseled” was the word

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins measured in at 6-5.5, 262 pounds. 33 3/4" arms, 80" wingspan

Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro. He just measured in at 6-5 3/8, 265 lbs.

TE Richard Rodgers arrived at 6'4/257 lbs with 32 5/8" arms and 10 1/8" hands.

Jerry Ricecake (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_76861-559x420.jpg) 7'3" (with hair) 196 lbs.

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
4 TEs measured under 6-3 but no one under 6-2. #NFLCombine

Only 2 OL had arms under 32 inches.:#Alabama OG Anthony Steen (30 1/2) and Utah St. OC Tyler Larsen (31 1/2). #NFLCombine

6 OL had 35-inch or longer arms led by Luke Lucas (36 3/4). Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio had 2nd-longest arms (35 5/8)

CSU OC Weston Richburg 1 of 4 players under 300 lbs. Came in at 298, lighter than you'd want. #NFLCombine

19 OL measured 6-5 or taller. Tallest: KSU's Luke Lucas (6-8 3/8). Lewan came in at 6-7 1/8. Matthews 6-5 1/2, 308 -looked great.

**chatter**

Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero
Spielman said #Vikings have eight or nine QBs on the docket for private workouts before the draft.

Vikings would love to trade back from the No. 8 pick, in part because they think there is depth at the QB position in this draft.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
If the NFL draft were today, the Texans would take...Blake Bortles: That's what I'm hearing.

Johnny Manziel 40 time prop bet line set at 4.45 per @bovadaLV. Sammy Watkins line at 4.32

Name I keep hearing a lot of buzz about is C.J. Mosley. One team source flat-out told me I had him rated too low (No. 16 overall)

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Sua-Filo: "I've been told I'm a guard. But I feel like I can play tackle and be good at it."

Talking to people in Indy who I trust, I get the sense that Bortles and Manziel are the favorites for No. 1 pick. Still very early though

ObsiWan
02-20-2014, 10:13 AM
The author should be taken out and crunched for this...
If that were to occur, it won't matter much if the "chip" on Manziel's shoulder was a Frito, Dorito or Tostito. Hate to Ruffles anyone feathers, but rather than Lays down, why not show some Pringles and compete?

Texian
02-20-2014, 10:43 AM
I've tried to make a half dozen post w/ info on the Combine. Playoffs is always quicker on the draw.

BTW Playoffs you're doing an outstanding job updating draft info and what's happening at the Combine. Thank You! The message board will not allow me to give you all the reps you deserve.

kiwitexansfan
02-20-2014, 10:53 AM
BTW Playoffs you're doing an outstanding job updating draft info and what's happening at the Combine. Thank You! The message board will not allow me to give you all the reps you deserve.

Too true

htownfan32
02-20-2014, 11:06 AM
I've tried to make a half dozen post w/ info on the Combine. Playoffs is always quicker on the draw.

BTW Playoffs you're doing an outstanding job updating draft info and what's happening at the Combine. Thank You! The message board will not allow me to give you all the reps you deserve.

Repped him for ya. Good stuff Playoffs.

powda
02-20-2014, 11:23 AM
Repped him for ya. Good stuff Playoffs.

Hes been awesome. I wouldve repped him a half dozen times by now if I could.

ObsiWan
02-20-2014, 11:27 AM
I've tried to make a half dozen post w/ info on the Combine. Playoffs is always quicker on the draw.

BTW Playoffs you're doing an outstanding job updating draft info and what's happening at the Combine. Thank You! The message board will not allow me to give you all the reps you deserve.


...Playoffs..?
Playoffs...??
Who IS that guy anyway?

Even Roger wants to know...
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAbrnfGW06-nQEdOUK6GakY1DTdzB1dVeiTusQv8SPFHVrb3Gmjw

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 11:37 AM
Oh, wow, thanks guys. Aggregating/posting draft news educates the draftnik in me. I learn a lot from doing it, and like informing the discussions here on TT about what I consider the most important draft in Texans history. Deepest draft in 10+ years, and we're in the first slot. MSR to those I can't bump. :handshake:

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 12:08 PM
2013 NFL COMBINE: WHAT TO LEARN FROM EACH DRILL (http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2013-nfl-combine-what-to-learn-from-each-drill.html)

10 (and 20) Yard Split
This might be one of the most telling and unfortunately most forgotten numbers of the entire NFL Combine. While the 40 time is the "sexy" time, only the running back/wide receiver position would ever run 40 yards straight, and even those two positions rarely get that 40 yard space without contact. The 10 yard split shows the explosiveness off the snap from a 3 point stance for the offensive/defensive lineman, which is basically the only valuable part of the drill for those positions. As for the position players, being able to quickly get to a players top speed is crucial for receivers exploding to their first cut, while defensive backs need that explosiveness after they flip their hips and run.

40 Yard Time
The 40 time does have some merit in terms of value for all position. Obviously for the position players, it's a testament to raw speed, something that really is essential to play in the NFL and can not be overlooked. However, for the other positions, you can get more out of watching how these prospects actually run: Is it smooth? Is there wasted motion? Do the prospects times drastically drop off after the 20 yard times? Those are really what to get out of the 40 time.

Bench Press
For all linemen, impressing the bench press is a must for the offensive and defensive linemen, and an impressive showing for any other position is notable because it shows dedication to the weight room as well as raw power and strength. Also to keep in mind, prospects with longer arms will generally do less because of the weight to push the farther distance.

Vertical Jump
The vertical jump is the best indicator of lower body strength, and it's a more practical football-related test of that lower body strength than a squat is for the linemen and linebackers. While it also shows the same lower body explosiveness for receivers and defensive backs, it's an essential skill set that showcases in air ball skills and the ability to get vertical.

Broad Jump
As with most combine tests (as you've probably noticed), the broad jump once again tests for explosiveness. Its standing still, only using legs to drive you body forward in the air. The most important aspect of the drill, however, is that the player needs to stick the landing with balance for it to count. This explosion-to-balance combination is crucial for pass rushers and bigger bodied receivers to control their length/weight and balance while using their strength.

3 Cone/"L" Drill
The "L" drill is a test of two main aspects that are crucial for almost any position: Change of direction without losing balance, and continuing to accelerate through cuts/turns. The drill basically is a five yard sprint, then a sharp cut right, followed by a five yard sprint to the next perpendicular cone, where the runner loops around, accelerate to the middle cone, and then cut back to the starting point. This is beneficial to see how well a position player can cut without wasted steps and without losing any burst, while also showing how a pass rusher can stay low and balanced while staying smooth and powerful in the rushes.

Short Shuttle
The short shuttle is simply exploding five yards to the right, then explode ten yards back to the left, and finish back to the original starting point. The lateral quickness aspect of the drill is obviously important to positional players, showcasing balance and decisive steps while utilizing their quickness. For the bigger linebackers and linemen, it's more about the ability to not slow down but more just plant and bend ability for these bigger athletes.

Other Numbers to Note:

-Hand size (for QB, WR, OL, and DL)
-Arm length/wingspan (for WRs, OL, and any outliers at other positions)
-Wonderlic Scores (for all positions, especially QBs, looking for outlier numbers)
-Flexibility ratings (not given out to public, but useful for NFL teams to test athletic upside)


Position Drills to Note:

-Passing drill for QBs (focusing on vertical control, drop quickness to release)
-Vertical pass catching for WRs (see depth perception, ability to finish deep catches)
-Gauntlet drill for WRs (evaluate quick body direction change, reliability in hands)
-Kick slide drill for OL (especially for OTs, see if they can get depth and stay balanced)
-Rip/Swim Bag Exchange for DL (see if DL can stay in athletic position, transitioning between bags)
-Coverage drops for LBs (see how each linebacker opens initially, shuffles, and flips hips)
-Vertical coverage for DBs (see jump timing, ability to stay tight on WRs, hands and ball skills)

Brisco_County
02-20-2014, 12:26 PM
I have to add to the Playoffs back-patting. He does a fantastic job of adding value to the forums during the offseason.

disaacks3
02-20-2014, 12:38 PM
I have to add to the Playoffs back-patting. He does a fantastic job of adding value to the forums during the offseason. Agreed! He's beaten the ticket on my phone several times.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Quote:
If the NFL draft were today, the Texans would take...Blake Bortles: That's what I'm hearing That's what I've told everyone at my office for a month now. There's no substitute for beating the new HC team right in front of him.

Mr teX
02-20-2014, 12:59 PM
These tweeting fool & their "sources" about what they're hearing is turning into a joke. 1 guy at the same combine hears that it's manziel...another just now is hearing it's Bortles...

I'm patiently waiting for the tweet from the jagwagon that says his sources tell him it's Clowney.

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 01:32 PM
Okay, Height/Weight/Other measurables are now being updated on NFL.com here:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

Sort by position, click on "Analysis" to see the updates.


These tweeting fool & their "sources" about what they're hearing is turning into a joke. 1 guy at the same combine hears that it's manziel...another just now is hearing it's Bortles...I'm patiently waiting for the tweet from the jagwagon that says his sources tell him it's Clowney.
Exactly what you want if you're the Texans... mass confusion/disinformation on what you're going to do forces teams that fall in love with a guy to make offers.

Arkansas C Travis Swanson said a #Browns scout asked him at Senior Bowl "to name all the things I could do w/ a single brick in 1 minute."
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

matts290
02-20-2014, 02:09 PM
Teddy measures in at 6"2.5 and 219 pounds, runs a 4.68 40

Manziel comes in at 6' on the dot and weighs at 211, runs a 4.59 40

Mr teX
02-20-2014, 02:14 PM
Teddy measures in at 6"2.5 and 219 pounds, runs a 4.68 40

Manziel comes in at 6' on the dot and weighs at 211, runs a 4.59 40

& right on que, Teddy obliterates any notion of his possible frailness & lack of athleticism....only 8 tenths of a second behind Manziel.

matts290
02-20-2014, 02:16 PM
& right on que, Teddy obliterates any notion of his possible frailness & lack of athleticism...

My bad, should have been more clear that those were my guesses haha

The Pencil Neck
02-20-2014, 02:17 PM
Are these Heights and Weights actual, yet? Because they're showing Bridgewater as 6'3" and 205#.

the Link (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/teddy-bridgewater?id=2543465)

Mr teX
02-20-2014, 02:18 PM
My bad, should have been more clear that those were my guesses haha

oh...lol :specnatz:

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 02:21 PM
Okay, Height/Weight/Other measurables are now being updated on NFL.com here:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

Sort by position, click on "Analysis" to see the updates.

2014 NFL Combine Results and Data Google Docs spreadsheet updated regularly:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AseLAGMydisldHE0Rl9kOGxPXzhPckREX3NQd0dQTG c&toomany=true#gid=8


THE SIDELINE VIEW'S OFFICIAL NFL COMBINE WATCHING GUIDE (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/tsvs-official-nfl-combine-watching-guide)


Buy NFL Combine Gear: http://shop.houstontexans.com/NFL_Combine_Gear/pg/1/ps/48/so/highest_price

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matts290
02-20-2014, 02:30 PM
Looks like all TE, OL and PK have official measurements in.

Matthews measures at 6"5, 308 with 33 3/8 inch arms and Greg Robinson measures in at 6"5, 332, and 35 inch arm.

matts290
02-20-2014, 03:22 PM
Playoffs, do you have any insight as to how the official measurements are working today? Are they going by position and last name?

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 08:24 PM
More specifically...

Wednesday, Feb. 19
• PK/ST/OL/TE medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Thursday, Feb. 20
• PK/ST/OL/TE measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• QB/WR/RB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Friday, Feb. 21
• PK/ST workout; PK/ST/OL/TE bench press, psychological testing, interviews
• QB/WR/RB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• DL/LB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Saturday, Feb. 22
• OL/TE on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• QB/WR/RB psychological testing, bench press, interviews
• DL/LB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews
• DB medical pre-exam and X-rays, orientation, interviews

Sunday, Feb. 23
• QB/WR/RB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• DL/LB psychological testing, bench press, interviews
• DB measurements, medical exams, media, interviews

Monday, Feb. 24
• DL/LB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)
• DB psychological testing, bench press, interviews

Tuesday, Feb. 25
• DB on-field workout (timing, stations, skill drills)

Playoffs, do you have any insight as to how the official measurements are working today? Are they going by position and last name?
Brought forward for you.


He's likely already off our board for character, but...
Taylor Lewan's puzzling comments (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/2/20/5431274/nfl-scouting-combine-day-1-recap)

No player had a weirder press conference than Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan. Often smirking or even chuckling through answers, Lewan deflected questions about his off-field concerns like they were blitzing defensive ends.

Remember the play against Michigan State where Lewan tried to separate Isaiah Lewis' head from his shoulders? Lewan now says their friends. Lewan denied getting into an altercation with an Ohio State fan after the two rivals played last year. He also denied threatening a woman involved in a rape allegation.

There was at least some light-hearted spots with Lewan. He broke down how he blocked Jadeveon Clowney, saying he keyed on the superstar's feet to figure out where the blitz was going. He even claimed to be unbeatable in Super Smash Bros., so he probably has a pretty nice selection of trophies.
Lewan also claimed that "it wasn't my fault" when questioned about being beat on a play. :spin:

Honoring Earl 34
02-20-2014, 08:32 PM
Hurst weighed 296 .

Jace Amaro has 9 inch hands .

The two Vols OTs have size and arm length as does Moses and the Alabama guy .

Playoffs
02-20-2014, 09:58 PM
This is scouting gold...

2014 NFL combine survey: Offensive linemen recall their toughest opponents (http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/20/2014-nfl-combine-toughest-opponents/)
OT Cameron Fleming, Stanford: “[Former USC end and current Packers OLB] Nick Perry.

C Tyler Larsen, Utah: “I would say … in the Senior Bowl, I went up against [Pitt defensive tackle] Aaron Donald.

OL Joel Bitonio, Nevada: “Probably either Anthony Barr from UCLA, or Demarcus Lawrence from Boise State.

OT Charles Leno, Boise State: “Ezekiel Ansah.

OG Xavier Su’a-Filo, UCLA: “I’d have to say Star Lotulelei.

OT Justin Britt, Missouri: “Probably Jadeveon Clowney.

OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M: But I thought Kony Ealy from Missouri was great.

C Travis Swanson, Arkansas: “I would say [former Alabama and current Bills DT] Marcel Dareus.

C James Stone, Tennessee: I’d have to say Dominique Easley.

T Taylor Lewan, Michigan: “Jadaveon Clowney, absolutely.

C Weston Richburg, Colorado State: “Aaron Donald

OG David Yankey, Stanford: “The toughest defender was probably Stephon Tuitt

G/T Zack Martin, Notre Dame: “[Pittsburgh's] Aaron Donald

T Michael Schofield, Michigan: “I matched up against Jadeveon Clowney for one series [in the 2013 Outback Bowl]. That was hardest series of my life. … The hype is legit.”

T Ja’Wuan James, Tennessee: “Michael Sam.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 06:52 AM
Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
Blake Bortles 6'5 232

Teddy Bridgewater 6'2 1/8 214

Johnny Manziel 5'11 3/4 207

Hand size: Bridgewater- 9 1/4, Bortles- 9 3/8, Manziel- 9 7/8.

Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
AJ McCarron 6'3 1/4 220

Odell Beckham 5'11 1/4 198

Jarvis Landry 5'11 1/2 204

Bradin Cooks 5'9 3/4 189

Allen Robinson 6'2 5/8 220

Kelvin Benjamin- 6'5 240

Mike Evans- 6'4 3/4 231

Sammy Watkins 6'0 3/4 211

Marqise Lee 5'11 3/4 192

Martavis Bryant 6'3 1/2 211

Bruce Ellington 5'9 3/8 197

Carlos Hyde 5'11 7/8 230

Jeremy Hill 6'0 5/8 233

Kadeem Carey-5'9 3/8 207

Tre Mason 5'8 1/2 207

Terrance West 5'9 1/4 225

Andre Williams 5'11 3/8 230

Bishop Sankey 5'9 1/2 209

De'Anthony Thomas 5'8 5/8 174

Ktexan68
02-21-2014, 07:44 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 39m
MANZIEL – 5’11 and ¾, 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
BRIDGEWATER – 6’2 1/8, 214 with 9 ¼ hands.
BORTLES – 6’5, 232 with 9 3/8 hands.

Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 07:49 AM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2302121#post2302121

DX-TEX
02-21-2014, 08:04 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhAK40oCIAAz7WZ.jpg:large

#BATTLEFIGHT #THUG

Insideop
02-21-2014, 08:11 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 39m
MANZIEL – 5’11 and ¾, 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
BRIDGEWATER – 6’2 1/8, 214 with 9 ¼ hands.
BORTLES – 6’5, 232 with 9 3/8 hands.

Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.

Are these the official Combine measurements? Didn't know they started yet.

I wouldn't say TB's hands are "tiny." They are probably normal for a man his size whereas Manziel's are probably abnormal for a man his size. Anyway, Bortles' hand size is only 1/8 bigger than Bridgewater's. That's not much of a difference.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 08:14 AM
Combines of the past for QBs .

http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-representation-of-nfl-quarterbacks/

disaacks3
02-21-2014, 08:24 AM
Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
Hand size: Bridgewater- 9 1/4, Bortles- 9 3/8, Manziel- 9 7/8.
Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks

So, for the hand fetish folks, are Teddy's hands too small? I have no idea what threshold people look for.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 08:30 AM
So, for the hand fetish folks, are Teddy's hands too small? I have no idea what threshold people look for.
Threshold of concern is under 9 inches.

Gil Brandt @GilBrandt
Reminder: Last QB to start @nfl game w/ smaller than 9-inch hands was Matt Cavanaugh, drafted in 1978

Blake
02-21-2014, 08:30 AM
So, for the hand fetish folks, are Teddy's hands too small? I have no idea what threshold people look for.

If he fumbles the ball during games then yes. If not, then no.

Mr teX
02-21-2014, 08:33 AM
So, for the hand fetish folks, are Teddy's hands too small? I have no idea what threshold people look for.

Blake is right...so much depends on how he protects the ball...but TB's hands are the same hand size as colin kaepernick...under 9 would be a concern..i think more than anything, his hand size is just about average for an NFL qb.

kiwitexansfan
02-21-2014, 08:35 AM
I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 08:36 AM
Blake is right...so much depends on how he protects the ball...but TB's hands are the same hand size as colin kaepernick...under 9 would be a concern..i think more than anything, his hand size is just about average for an NFL qb.

I think it's a factor if you play in bad weather also .

kiwitexansfan
02-21-2014, 08:39 AM
I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.

9 1/4

My NFL QB dream is still alive!!!

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 08:42 AM
9 1/4

My NFL QB dream is still alive!!!

Sweet !! :clap:

Now go run a 40 yard dash .

kiwitexansfan
02-21-2014, 08:44 AM
Didn't realise these three guys were already Texans?!

It's not how big it is, it's how you use it.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 08:46 AM
QB's Hands: does Size really matter...? (http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2010-articles/june/qbs-hands-does-size-really-matter.html#)

Written by Thomas Jackson on 19 June 2010.

The Packers’ Brett Favre had his hand measured at 10 3/8 inches, from thumb tip to pinkie tip, during the National Football scouting combine in 1991. Favre’s grip on the ball is so enormous that the thumb and little finger of his outstretched right hand probably would cover almost exactly half the circumference of an NFL football.

Daunte Culpepper’s hand size was 9½ inches at the ’99 combine. Culpepper’s hand measurement of 9½ isn’t extremely low by NFL standards, but for someone his size (6-4, 264), it is. Not only the size but also the unusual shape of Culpepper’s hands was a concern not only for the Vikings but other NFL teams before the ’99 draft. Several sources confirmed that Culpepper has what is commonly referred to as a “web hand.” It’s a hereditary condition in which his fingers don’t separate easily because the skin between them is connected upward toward the knuckles more than normal.

Michael Vick, who stands barely 6-0, has merely an 8½-inch hand. However, Drew Brees, who stands just 6-0½, has a hand of 10¼.

In the ballyhooed quarterback class of 1999 that included Culpepper, Tim Couch’s hand was 9 7/8, Donovan McNabb’s hand was 10-0, Akili Smith’s was 9¾ and Cade McNown’s was 9 3/8.

A list of other quarterbacks and their hand sizes includes Brad Johnson (10 1/8), Patrick Ramsey (10-0), David Carr (9¾), Joey Harrington (9¾), Trent Dilfer (9 5/8), Jay Fiedler (9½), J.T. O’Sullivan (9½), Jake Plummer (9¼) and Chris Chandler (9¼).

One of the largest measures of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼ of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8 ). David Klingler (9¼) had a small hand and flopped.

Bringing forward from Dr CND.

Mr teX
02-21-2014, 08:50 AM
I think it's a factor if you play in bad weather also .

it is..but for most guys except the truly gifted..the Russell Wilson's of the world, throwing the ball in bad weather is always gonna be an issue. My hand size is closer to Bortles' & i can remember always having issues with gripping the ball on cold & rainy days.

Brisco_County
02-21-2014, 08:51 AM
I just asked our computer lab admin for a tape measure so I could measure my hand. He told me to "Get the **** out of here!" But he tells me that every day.

kiwitexansfan
02-21-2014, 08:51 AM
In the bad news section, Dustin Vaughan's hands are only 8 7/8 inches.

Still that will push him down to where he is available to the Texans as a FA.

Marshall
02-21-2014, 08:57 AM
Combines of the past for QBs .

http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-representation-of-nfl-quarterbacks/
I'm more of a data person than a chart person. I noticed the charts were not consistent in what they measured or where they were positioned, so it's like comparing Apples, Oranges, Pears, Grapefruits, Grapes and Strawberries with various vegetables included just to confuse the issues.

The charts have no context.

Mr teX
02-21-2014, 09:02 AM
I just asked our computer lab admin for a tape measure so I could measure my hand. He told me to "Get the **** out of here!" But he tells me that every day.

lol...

Marshall
02-21-2014, 09:03 AM
I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.

I must be doing it wrong. I measured from the tip of my pinky to the tip of my thumb and it measured 10" and I do not have large hands.

Hmm... My right hand is only 9 7/8" while my left hand is 10" and I'm right handed.

I may have to rethink the size of my hands. I have always had to get xl gloves, but I thought it was primarily for thickness and I always thought my fingers were somewhat stubby. I thought putting my hand up against my oldest son confirmed it because his fingers stretch beyond mine by 1/2 inch to an inch in all directions.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 09:10 AM
I'm more of a data person than a chart person. I noticed the charts were not consistent in what they measured or where they were positioned, so it's like comparing Apples, Oranges, Pears, Grapefruits, Grapes and Strawberries with various vegetables included just to confuse the issues.

The charts have no context.

I think everything was measured , the data that was most relative to that QB was charted .

bOODRO87
02-21-2014, 09:15 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 39m
MANZIEL – 5’11 and ¾, 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
BRIDGEWATER – 6’2 1/8, 214 with 9 ¼ hands.
BORTLES – 6’5, 232 with 9 3/8 hands.

Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.

http://media.tumblr.com/3c6f60916c0574714edf3da70172c2b7/tumblr_inline_mnwaoc1oiF1qz4rgp.gif

Texian
02-21-2014, 09:24 AM
I need to find a tape measure and measure my hand to get some perspective on all this.

tip of your little finger to the tip of your thumb on your throwing hand. If < 9" you're out as an NFL QB, if 9" or > you're in as a NFL QB. Your's truly = 9 1/2"

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 09:34 AM
Okay, I'm going to take that as a "we have less than zero interest in Johnny Manziel" from Cardinals Bruce Arians. :ahhaha:

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Carroll on running QBs: We've also seen you can't last in this league running at QB. You don't have to be runners to be effective.

Carroll: But not everybody that's 5'11 can play QB.

Seahawks Pete Carroll: Prior to the last couple of years, the general thinking was a guy of Russell's stature couldn't play, and that's wrong.

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
Context of fumbles/snaps via @JPSTATS

McCarron 1476 (8)
Manziel 1725 (5)
Bridgewater 1681 (8)

2013 only
Bortles 811 (8)
Carr 1010 (1)

Fumble totals over last two years:

Manziel - 5
McCarron - 8
Bortles - 11
Carr - 7
Bridewater - 8

For those obsessing of the size of hands I bring you this -

Fumbles in 2013:
Bortles - 8
Manziel - 2
Bridewater - 3

Dutchrudder
02-21-2014, 09:56 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 39m
MANZIEL – 5’11 and ¾, 207 with 9 7/8 hands.
BRIDGEWATER – 6’2 1/8, 214 with 9 ¼ hands.
BORTLES – 6’5, 232 with 9 3/8 hands.

Manziel is pretty stout at not quite 6 foot but 207lbs, Teddy heavier than expected but tiny hands, and Bortles is a giant.

Do you even math, bro?

WolverineFan
02-21-2014, 10:06 AM
Bortles had so many fumbles because his pocket work is shoddy and he took a lot of blind hits. He needs a lot of work mechanically, but his size and mobility will entice a lot of teams. Hopefully he gets to sit for a year wherever he goes.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 10:08 AM
Bortles had so many fumbles because his pocket work is shoddy and he took a lot of blind hits. He needs a lot of work mechanically, but his size and mobility will entice a lot of teams. Hopefully he gets to sit for a year wherever he goes.

Hmmm ... big strong armed guy with no feel for a pass rush . That sounds like our first QB .

WolverineFan
02-21-2014, 10:15 AM
Hmmm ... big strong armed guy with no feel for a pass rush . That sounds like our first QB .

I'm not saying he has no feel. He's not Logan Thomas. But sometimes he gets locked in downfield and loses himself in the pocket. He lost a lot of fumbles in the pocket this year, but I don't think it's his hands that are the problem. May be a ball handling issue that needs to be coached up.

As much as I dislike Manziel's propensity to scramble, I'd rather my QB see imaginary people and bail out than not see anyone at all.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 10:16 AM
More hand sizes
Largest
Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech (10 7/8)

Smallest
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois and Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M (8 7/8)

Others of note
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (9 7/8)
Blake Bortles, Central Florida (9 3/8)
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (9 1/4)
Tajh Boyd, Clemson (9 5/8)
Derek Carr, Fresno State (9 1/8)
AJ McCarron, Alabama (10)
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (9 1/4)
Aaron Murray, Georgia (9 1/8)

Is Bortles throwing? I know Manziel isn't, Is Bridgewater throwing? Any over under guesses on 40 times for these guys?

Over/Under on 40 times

Manziel 4.5
Bridgewater 4.6
Bortles 4.8

Height

Manziel 6 0 1/2 UNDER
Bridgewater 6 2 1/4 OVER
Bortles 6 4 1/2 OVER

Scoreboard so far.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 10:37 AM
I'm not saying he has no feel. He's not Logan Thomas. But sometimes he gets locked in downfield and loses himself in the pocket. He lost a lot of fumbles in the pocket this year, but I don't think it's his hands that are the problem. May be a ball handling issue that needs to be coached up.

As much as I dislike Manziel's propensity to scramble, I'd rather my QB see imaginary people and bail out than not see anyone at all.

Yup ... I think playmakers aren't afraid , they just can't wait . On the other hand , guys who hear or see stuff that's not there are thinking about getting hit .

WolverineFan
02-21-2014, 11:05 AM
Taylor Lewan's puzzling comments

No player had a weirder press conference than Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan. Often smirking or even chuckling through answers, Lewan deflected questions about his off-field concerns like they were blitzing defensive ends.

Remember the play against Michigan State where Lewan tried to separate Isaiah Lewis' head from his shoulders? Lewan now says their friends. Lewan denied getting into an altercation with an Ohio State fan after the two rivals played last year. He also denied threatening a woman involved in a rape allegation.

There was at least some light-hearted spots with Lewan. He broke down how he blocked Jadeveon Clowney, saying he keyed on the superstar's feet to figure out where the blitz was going. He even claimed to be unbeatable in Super Smash Bros., so he probably has a pretty nice selection of trophies.


He really grew out of favor with me this year. More hype than substance. He was a team captain this year and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

Blake
02-21-2014, 11:08 AM
He really grew out of favor with me this year. More hype than substance. He was a team captain this year and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

There is nasty for an OL, and then there is whatever the hell Lewan was. Ive said for some time that he struck me as a dirty dumb player at times and stand by that. I feel like he is either on some drugs/meds or he is just f'ed up in the head. Either way I wouldnt touch him until the top o' the 2nd.

WolverineFan
02-21-2014, 11:11 AM
There is nasty for an OL, and then there is whatever the hell Lewan was. Ive said for some time that he struck me as a dirty dumb player at times and stand by that. I feel like he is either on some drugs/meds or he is just f'ed up in the head. Either way I wouldnt touch him until the top o' the 2nd.

He has an Incognito complex. Not saying that he would act the same way in the locker room as RI, but he can't turn that mean streak off when he leaves the field. It's a permanent mentality.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 12:02 PM
Cardinals HC Bruce Arians at the Combine referencing Manziel...
"When you start comparing quarterbacks, and (for) all of us it's a comparison business when you start doing the draft and everything else, who has been successful with these measurables, what intangibles does he bring," Arians said from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis Friday. "With those guys, I go back to Doug Flutie, and it took Doug a long time to become a very successful quarterback in the league at that size and that athletic ability."

Looking at some of the successful short quarterbacks, Arians said Manziel's style is different from that of Saints QB Drew Brees -- who is also a little taller -- but added that Seattle's Russell Wilson, who just won a Super Bowl, is helping to show that short quarterbacks can get the job done.

"I think they are starting to see some guys they can compare him to, but there's a bunch of 6-5 successful guys who are athletic," he said. "The 5-11 guys, it has to throw a question mark out there."
...

"He's very natural at what he does and you don't want to take a guy's insticts away because that's what got him here," Arians said. "I think the guys like Russell hurt you more when they drop back to pass, and Colin (Kaepernick)...they hurt you when they drop back.

"Now when you design runs for them you're putting them in harm's way because the guys chasing them are a lot bigger and faster than the ones chasing them in college. But to take the natural instinct away from drop back passing to scrambling and going, you never want to do that."
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
John Elway on Johnny Manziel: “I think he’s a great little player.” (Laughter). “I shouldn’t say little.” (More laughter). #ElwayFTW

TexansSeminole
02-21-2014, 12:49 PM
Posted this in the wrong thread:

The weigh-ins aren't exactly surprising

With Teddy and Johnny, you have two guys that had size questions so you know that they are going to add weight before the combine. Those numbers lead me to believe that they played between 5-15 pounds lighter during the past college football season, which is about what I expected.

Texian
02-21-2014, 12:51 PM
bortles has bust written all over him. shoddy competition shoddy play.

reminds me of a rich man's version of matt schaub.

puff puff pass big time.

bortles will be a bust. aint nobody named blake bortles is going to be a great hof qb.

if Bill O'Brien passes on Blake Bortles, Blake Bortles will only continue to do to Bill O'Brien what Blake Bortles did to Bill O'Brien in State College PA in Beaver Stadium on September 14, 2013.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 01:42 PM
Videos:

NFL Network: Blake Bortles presser (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Blake-Bortles-I-Can-Compete-With-Any-Guy-Here/41d46877-558c-463d-8406-3804e0e6f7b4)

NFL Combine: Johnny Manziel's presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Combine-Johnny-Manziels-presser/eeb1fb3b-59d2-4c3f-8605-d511e670628b)

Jimmy Garoppolo: "A QB Is Never Done Learning" (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Jimmy_Garoppolo_A_QB_Is_Never_Done_Learning/9a728bea-6a82-40f5-8f0c-d24a453879f5)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 1) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-1/68d7ee6b-9ba2-4854-ba3f-a8be45a62806)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 2) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-2/7319df3b-91b6-4ee0-8840-5926ebb526b6)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 3) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-3/99103ba3-92ed-4da1-976f-b41fd1931cf5)
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CloakNNNdagger
02-21-2014, 02:10 PM
Posted this in the wrong thread:

The weigh-ins aren't exactly surprising

With Teddy and Johnny, you have two guys that had size questions so you know that they are going to add weight before the combine. Those numbers lead me to believe that they played between 5-15 pounds lighter during the past college football season, which is about what I expected.

Besides working out in the weight like mad, I guarantee you that both amended their diet drastically to get to their Combine weight.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/25/article-1306184-0AEAF5CD000005DC-142_233x319.jpg

Expect them to both drop like rocks by the time they are drafted.

IDEXAN
02-21-2014, 02:43 PM
Videos:

NFL Network: Blake Bortles presser (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Blake-Bortles-I-Can-Compete-With-Any-Guy-Here/41d46877-558c-463d-8406-3804e0e6f7b4)

NFL Combine: Johnny Manziel's presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Combine-Johnny-Manziels-presser/eeb1fb3b-59d2-4c3f-8605-d511e670628b)

Jimmy Garoppolo: "A QB Is Never Done Learning" (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Jimmy_Garoppolo_A_QB_Is_Never_Done_Learning/9a728bea-6a82-40f5-8f0c-d24a453879f5)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 1) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-1/68d7ee6b-9ba2-4854-ba3f-a8be45a62806)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 2) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-2/7319df3b-91b6-4ee0-8840-5926ebb526b6)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 3) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-3/99103ba3-92ed-4da1-976f-b41fd1931cf5)
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Thanks for the links Playoffs, appreciate it ?

The Pencil Neck
02-21-2014, 02:45 PM
Thanks for the links Playoffs, appreciate it ?

Yeah, he's been all over it the past few days. I tried to hit him up with some Rep but.. msr.

Blake
02-21-2014, 02:46 PM
Lord Bills vs Texian in a fight. I would pay to see that.

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 02:56 PM
Lord Bills vs Texian in a fight. I would pay to see that.

I gotta better idea .

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4db8fac2b4/1-800-slap-a-hoe

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 03:26 PM
OL Bench Press

Russell Bodine, North Carolina - 42

Matt Feiler, Bloomsburg - 36
Tyler Larsen, Utah State - 36
Corey Linsley, Ohio State - 36
Antonio Richardson, Tennessee - 36

Brandon Thomas, Clemson 35

Greg Robinson, Auburn - 32

Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State, 30
Brandon Linder, Miami - 30
John Urschel, Penn State - 30

Taylor Lewan, Michigan - 29
Zack Martin, Notre Dame - 29
Chris Watt, Notre Dame - 29

Jack Mewhort, Ohio State - 28

Jonotthan Harrison, Florida - 27

Kadeem Edwards, Tennessee State - 26
Cameron Fleming, Stanford - 26
Ryan Groy, Wisconsin - 26
Wesley Johnson, Vanderbilt - 26

Zach Fulton, Tennessee - 25
Cyril Richardson, Baylor - 25
Weston Richburg, Colorado State - 25
Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA - 25
Billy Turner, North Dakota State - 25
Trai Turner, LSU - 25

Jake Matthews, Texas A&M - 24

Justin Britt, Missouri - 23
Dakota Dozier, Furman - 23
Marcus Martin, USC - 23
Matthew Paradis, Boise State - 23

Joel Bitonio, Nevada - 22
Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma - 22
Ja'Wuan James, Tennessee - 22
Matt Patchan, Boston College - 22
James Stone, Tennessee - 22
David Yankey, Stanford - 22

Conor Boffeli, Iowa - 21
Cyrus Kouanddio, Alabama - 21
Charles Leno Jr., Boise State - 21

Travis Swanson, Arkansas - 20

mussop
02-21-2014, 03:29 PM
Videos:

NFL Network: Blake Bortles presser (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Blake-Bortles-I-Can-Compete-With-Any-Guy-Here/41d46877-558c-463d-8406-3804e0e6f7b4)

NFL Combine: Johnny Manziel's presser (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Combine-Johnny-Manziels-presser/eeb1fb3b-59d2-4c3f-8605-d511e670628b)

Jimmy Garoppolo: "A QB Is Never Done Learning" (http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Jimmy_Garoppolo_A_QB_Is_Never_Done_Learning/9a728bea-6a82-40f5-8f0c-d24a453879f5)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 1) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-1/68d7ee6b-9ba2-4854-ba3f-a8be45a62806)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 2) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-2/7319df3b-91b6-4ee0-8840-5926ebb526b6)

Combine: O'Brien presser (Part 3) (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Combine-OBrien-presser-Part-3/99103ba3-92ed-4da1-976f-b41fd1931cf5)
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Where is Bridgewaters presser?????

Honoring Earl 34
02-21-2014, 03:36 PM
Where is Bridgewaters presser?????

I bet you're jumping the gun .

Errant Hothy
02-21-2014, 03:45 PM
Yeah, he's been all over it the past few days. I tried to hit him up with some Rep but.. msr.

Got him

Errant Hothy
02-21-2014, 04:59 PM
Jace Amaro put up 28 reps in the Bench Press. Wreck 'Em Jace!

Brisco_County
02-21-2014, 04:59 PM
OL Bench Press

Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 05:00 PM
Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

Nope.

Errant Hothy
02-21-2014, 05:02 PM
Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

Not 1 spot.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 05:15 PM
Not 1 spot.

No, I think he's solidly #2 right there with Robinson.

You look to something like this, at most, to inform you of shortcomings you've seen in his game tape. Matthew's tape is pretty solid. Could he need to get NFL stronger? Sure, most do. But I'd plug him in without hesitation. ( Part of my confidence is I know what his mental makeup and story is because of his daddy & because he played in College Station.)

NCTexan
02-21-2014, 05:32 PM
I was in Indianapolis for a job interview and met Kubiak while he was going to get breakfast. It was pretty exciting for me.

leebigeztx
02-21-2014, 07:18 PM
Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

Not really,but I think is brute power is questioned. I mean when u pick an ol as high as matthews is projected, you want him to be able to physically maul guys. From what I watched and now getting his numbers, he's looking like just a solid lt/rt. He won't be a bust, he'll be solid player,not all pro type.

aussie_texan
02-21-2014, 07:36 PM
Posted this in the wrong thread:

The weigh-ins aren't exactly surprising

With Teddy and Johnny, you have two guys that had size questions so you know that they are going to add weight before the combine. Those numbers lead me to believe that they played between 5-15 pounds lighter during the past college football season, which is about what I expected.

though i agree. it also shows that he has the ability to put weight on his frame. meaning an intense S&C program in the NFL will work for him and he should be able to increase his size without damaging his athleticism

CloakNNNdagger
02-21-2014, 07:56 PM
though i agree. it also shows that he has the ability to put weight on his frame. meaning an intense S&C program in the NFL will work for him and he should be able to increase his size without damaging his athleticism


BEFORE: Hey Mom.......No Arms!!!!!!!

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/183985100.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1


AFTER: Hey Mom.........No Neck!!!!!!!!

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/764/558/ba88d26bd089b23c52ae00e2bf555197_crop_north.png?w= 759&h=506&q=75

Bridgewater is busting out of his skin.......too big too fast...........his performance WILL be compromised.........hope his PED test isn't..........

beerlover
02-21-2014, 08:15 PM
Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

he will, shorter arms should be able to rep more, guys with longer arms, makes it more difficult. Antonio Richardson is real impressive with his length, over two inches more than Jake. Raiders or Falcons for Matthews. St. Louis, despite Bruce, take Greg Robinson as projected. Cardinals would be lucky to get Richardson 20, Texans forget about it. Which is why Robinson makes most sense, solidify RT with all pro, who moves to LT when ready and or Duane Brown Contract expired, then repeat process. In between with competent coaching & evaluation Texans will find a QB, they just cannot afford to leave him unprotected.

ObsiWan
02-21-2014, 10:09 PM
Combines of the past for QBs .

http://nflphilosophy.com/a-visual-representation-of-nfl-quarterbacks/

Still no measurement for Heart or Work Ethic or Leadership capacity or will to win, huh...?
:thinking:

The Pencil Neck
02-21-2014, 10:38 PM
BEFORE: Hey Mom.......No Arms!!!!!!!

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/183985100.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1


AFTER: Hey Mom.........No Neck!!!!!!!!

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/764/558/ba88d26bd089b23c52ae00e2bf555197_crop_north.png?w= 759&h=506&q=75

Bridgewater is busting out of his skin.......too big too fast...........his performance WILL be compromised.........hope his PED test isn't..........


Doesn't look like that much of a change to me. Just a few pounds heavier. Most guys his age don't need to take PEDs to add a few pounds. They just need some food and some sleep.

Playoffs
02-21-2014, 10:39 PM
Punter Pat O'Donnell from "The U" did 23 bench reps at 225. http://www.clemson.edu/extension/peach/images/blue_ribbon.gif

mussop
02-22-2014, 03:27 AM
I bet you're jumping the gun .

What does this mean?

Marshall
02-22-2014, 06:07 AM
I gotta better idea .

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4db8fac2b4/1-800-slap-a-hoe

This language is getting me into some strange situations.

I was doing some gardening in my small flowerbed and needed a tool to remove weeds. I went to the Walmart and surprisingly, an employee asked me if I needed some assistance. I told him I needed a hoe and couldn't figure out why he started cracking up. This reminded me that the changing language could add a whole new meaning to a simple statement.

True story by the way.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 07:35 AM
Jadeveon Clowney 6'5 1/4 266. 34 1/2 inch arms. -- ~Jason Pierre Paul

Why Troy Niklas Could Be the Next Rob Gronkowski (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1959419-why-troy-niklas-could-be-the-next-rob-gronkowski)

Average first round OL pick measureables recent years:
6'5"
314 lbs.
10.25" hand
5.21 40 yard dash

Wolf6151
02-22-2014, 07:41 AM
Depending on his 40 time and 10 yd. split, and his cone times, he might be a great prospect at OLB for us but he's going to really have to sell it in the interviews because of his lack of motivation. When a player tries to get out of an entire season months before the season began to protect his future NFL value, that sets off major red flags.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 07:44 AM
Thought of the Day...
Dutch speedskating coach Jillert Anema gave an amazing interview to CNBC today featuring one of the best rants ever...

You have a lot of attention on a foolish sport like American football and you waste a lot of talent, athletic talent, on a sport that is meant to kill each other, to injure each other. … You’re so narrow-minded, and then you want to compete against the world [in other sports] when you waste a lot of time, good talent on a sport that sucks.

You can’t stand losing, you must be an American, man!
and:

You’re just envious, man, for our medals!

Marshall
02-22-2014, 07:45 AM
Thought of the Day...
"Dutch speedskating coach Jillert Anema gave an amazing interview to CNBC today featuring one of the best rants ever...

You have a lot of attention on a foolish sport like American football and you waste a lot of talent, athletic talent, on a sport that is meant to kill each other, to injure each other. … You’re so narrow-minded, and then you want to compete against the world [in other sports] when you waste a lot of time, good talent on a sport that sucks."

I thought that was an anemic rant.

Texian
02-22-2014, 08:01 AM
Get your stop watches ready.....

Marshall
02-22-2014, 08:29 AM
Any chance this is televised somewhere?

Texian
02-22-2014, 08:34 AM
Any chance this is televised somewhere?

NFL Network

(Holy Smokes, after 3 days I was able to post actual info before Playoffs, amazing)

Marshall
02-22-2014, 08:36 AM
NFL Network

(Holy Smokes, after 3 days I was able to post actual info before Playoffs, amazing)

Thanks. See ya later.

Texian
02-22-2014, 08:37 AM
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/764/558/ba88d26bd089b23c52ae00e2bf555197_crop_north.png?w= 759&h=506&q=75

Bridgewater is busting out of his skin.......too big too fast...........his performance WILL be compromised.........hope his PED test isn't..........

Ruh Roh....drug test were administered to all QBs yesterday at 4:00am.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 08:42 AM
They were telling the Matt Millen story when he was coming out. Says they ran 2 40s all year -- spring & fall. They benched for coaches who came in for a visit. So a coach visited Happy Valley and asked Millen to bench... Millen asked him what the record was, he said "40" reps... Millen pressed out 49 reps then got up and said, "You got a new record" and walked away.

OL
Joel Bitonio showing why we liked him with a 4.91
Kouandjio/Jackson 5.5s

mussop
02-22-2014, 08:58 AM
Jadeveon Clowney 6'5 1/4 266. 34 1/2 inch arms. -- ~Jason Pierre Paul

Why Troy Niklas Could Be the Next Rob Gronkowski (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1959419-why-troy-niklas-could-be-the-next-rob-gronkowski)

Average first round OL pick measureables recent years:

I love this TE class. Jenkins, Nicklas, C.J. Fiedorowicz and Lyerla all look good. I can see one of them on the roster next year and a later round guy no one expects. There are a lot of later round guys with talent. Don't see why people are saying this is a thin TE class

bah007
02-22-2014, 09:03 AM
Jadeveon Clowney 6'5 1/4 266. 34 1/2 inch arms. -- ~Jason Pierre Paul

Why Troy Niklas Could Be the Next Rob Gronkowski (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1959419-why-troy-niklas-could-be-the-next-rob-gronkowski)

Average first round OL pick measureables recent years:

Niklas isn't as similar to Gronk as this article makes out but he is the closest thing in this draft. Everyone wants the next Gronk but you have to understand that Gronk is to TE what Luck was to QB, he is a rare specimen for the position. I had him graded as a top 15 talent but he fell, understandably so, because he was coming off a serious back injury.

I've been behind on Niklas because he declared so late and nobody was expecting it. The more I see of him the more I like him. If he moves well at the combine he is a 1st round pick, IMO.

rmartin65
02-22-2014, 09:14 AM
I love this TE class. Jenkins, Nicklas, C.J. Fiedorowicz and Lyerla all look good. I can see one of them on the roster next year and a later round guy no one expects. There are a lot of later round guys with talent. Don't see why people are saying this is a thin TE class

I don't think we draft two TEs, but I really hope we grab one of them. There is a lot of TE talent this year, that's for sure. I would wager that the next really productive TE (like Gronk is without the injuries, or Gates, or the Saints' TE) comes out of this class.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 09:16 AM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Dee Ford 6-2 1/8, 252, 32 7/8 arms, 77 wing

Jadeveon Clowney: 6-5 1/4, 266. Had 34 1/2 arms 10-inch hands, 83 wing - largest in first group of DL. #NFLCombine

bah007
02-22-2014, 09:23 AM
I don't think we draft two TEs, but I really hope we grab one of them. There is a lot of TE talent this year, that's for sure. I would wager that the next really productive TE (like Gronk is without the injuries, or Gates, or the Saints' TE) comes out of this class.

I agree. This TE class is loaded at the top.

Ebron and Amaro are your Jimmy Graham types. Split them outside and let them work off the line of scrimmage.

Niklas, Seferian-Jenkins, Fiedorowicz, and Arthur Lynch are your Gronk types that can work on the end of the line and in the seam.

CloakNNNdagger
02-22-2014, 09:27 AM
OB has always looked for BLOCKING TEs.

bah007
02-22-2014, 09:30 AM
OB has always looked for BLOCKING TEs.

That's what I prefer. Gives you more opportunities to be multiple on offense.

Guys like Ebron and Amaro are awesome athletes but for the style of offense I expect us to run I think you're more likely to see us target a guy like Niklas/Seferian-Jenkins if they are there in the 2nd or Fiedorowicz/Lynch in the 3rd.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 09:34 AM
Why Troy Niklas Could Be the Next Rob Gronkowski (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1959419-why-troy-niklas-could-be-the-next-rob-gronkowski)


Niklas is HOF'er Bruce Matthews' nephew.

infantrycak
02-22-2014, 09:36 AM
OB has always looked for BLOCKING TEs.

I think we should be a little more cautious on what OB looks for. We really have very little to go on. How much involvement did he have with the Patriots' draft picks? Akin to JJ Watt and Wade we don't know that just because someone was drafted they were his first choice. Also not sure I would characterize Hernandez as a blocking TE. At Penn St. the reality is he had a constrained pool to select from due to circumstances.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 09:38 AM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
SF Chronicle report says Teddy Bridgewater will NOT throw at the Combine. Disappointing.

Texian
02-22-2014, 09:55 AM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

I'm not surprised, looking at the latest picture and Teddy's new found physique, he will need more time to coordinate all those new muscles. 20 lbs of new muscle will have a profound effect on his timing and accuracy.

kingtexan
02-22-2014, 10:07 AM
I'm not surprised, looking at the latest picture and Teddy's new found physique, he will need more time to coordinate all those new muscles. 20 lbs of new muscle will have a profound effect on his timing and accuracy.

Will be interesting to see if the mass makes his sporadically side-armed delivery worse.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 10:08 AM
2nd fastest 10 yard split by OL: Eric Winston
3rd fastest 40 yard dash by OL: Richie Incognito

Expecting these to fall today.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Khalil Mack's rounded measurements: 6'3/251 lbs. 33 1/4" arms and 10 1/4" hands.

Anthony Barr's rounded measurements: 6'5"/255 lbs. 33 1/2" arms and 9 3/8" hands.

Aaron Donald's rounded measurements: 6'1/285. 32 5/8" arms and 9 7/8" hands.

Jackson Jeffcoat's rounded measurements: 6'3/247 lbs. 33 7/8" arms and 9 5/8" hands.

Justin Ellis' rounded measurements: 6'1/334. 33" arms and 10 1/8" hands. Dropped 8 pounds since Senior Bowl.

Ego Ferguson's rounded measurements: 6'3/315 lbs. 32 1/2" arms and 10 3/4" hands.

Jeoffrey Pagan's rounded measurements: 6'3/310 lbs. 33" arms and 9 5/8" hands.

Michael Sam's rounded measurements: 6'2/261 lbs. 33 3/8" arms and 9 3/8" hands.

Kyle Van Noy's rounded measurements: 6'-3/243 lbs 31 5/8" arms and 9 5/8" hands

Yawin Smallwood's rounded measurements: 6'2/246 lbs. 31 3/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands.

LSU DT Anthony Johnson's rounded measurements: 6'2/308 lbs. 33" arms and 10 3/8" hands.

Cal LB Khairi Fortt's rounded measurements: 6'2/248 lbs. 33 5/8" arms and 10 1/8" hands.

Shayne Skov's rounded measurements: 6'2/245 lbs. 30 5/8" arms and 10" hands.

Ryan Shazier's rounded measurements: 6'1/237 lbs. 32 3/8" arms and 10" hands.

CJ Mosley's rounded measurements: 6'2/234 lbs. 33 3/8" arms and 10 3/4"

Telvin Smith weighed in at 218 lbs. Just like at the Senior Bowl.

Carl Bradford's rounded measurements: 6'1/250 lbs. 30 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands. Some will take note of that arm length.

Scott Crichton's rounded measurements: 6'3/273 lbs. 32 3/4" arms and 10 1/8" hands.

Stephon Tuitt's rounded measurements: 6'5/304 lbs. 34 3/4" arms and 10" hands.

Kelcy Quarles' rounded measurements: 6'4/297 lbs. 33 1/4" arms. 9 3/8" hands.

Louis Nix's rounded measurements: 6'2/331 lbs. 33" arms and 9 7/8" hands.

Demarcus Lawrence's rounded measurements: 6'3/251 lbs. 33 3/4" arms and 11" hands.

Aaron Lynch's rounded measurements: 6'5/249 lbs. 34" arms and 10 1/4" hands.

Timmy Jernigan's rounded measurements: 6'2/299 lbs. 31 5/8" arms and 9 5/8" hands.

Dominique Easley's rounded measurements: 6'2/288 lbs. 32 7/8" arms and 9 3/4" hands.

Kony Ealy's rounded measurements: 6'4/273 lbs. 34 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands.

Will Sutton's rounded measurements: 6.0/303. 31 1/4" arms. 10" hands

Morgan Moses for worst haircut/beard combo.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Charles Davis has heard Tiny Richardson might have to redshirt his first year due to medicals. "Some (teams) might not touch him"

rmartin65
02-22-2014, 10:27 AM
I'm not surprised, looking at the latest picture and Teddy's new found physique, he will need more time to coordinate all those new muscles. 20 lbs of new muscle will have a profound effect on his timing and accuracy.

I doubt that is the reason. I would be shocked if he has not been throwing a bunch since the season ended.

He is probably not throwing because lots of QBs dont throw at the combine.

Disappointing, but lets not go reading too much into this decision.

Number19
02-22-2014, 11:02 AM
Clowney.....6'-5"....266 lbs....34 1/2" arm......10" hand
Barr...........6'-5"....255 lbs....33 1/2" arm......9 3/8" hand
.
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Van Noy.....6'-3"....243 lbs....31 5/8" arm......9 5/8" hand
Smallwood..6'-2"....246 lbs....31 3/4" arm......9 1/2" hand
Skov..........6'-2"....245 lbs....30 5/8" arm......10" hand

Lucky
02-22-2014, 11:08 AM
Charles Davis has heard Tiny Richardson might have to redshirt his first year due to medicals. "Some (teams) might not touch him"
What would that be? Richardson didn't miss any games and is fully participating at the combine.

infantrycak
02-22-2014, 11:10 AM
What would that be? Richardson didn't miss any games and is fully participating at the combine.

Spinal stenosis?

Lucky
02-22-2014, 11:30 AM
Spinal stenosis?

CND linked an article that suggests Richardson played with a microfracture knee injury (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1882593-tennessee-football-why-vols-wont-miss-tiny-richardson-too-much-in-2014).

While he had some success getting to the edge and blocking outside, that really isn't where he excels, especially considering he has been battling a microfracture in his knee.

Texian
02-22-2014, 11:37 AM
Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris

This could also be pre draft misinformation.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 11:41 AM
CND linked an article that suggests Richardson played with a microfracture knee injury (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1882593-tennessee-football-why-vols-wont-miss-tiny-richardson-too-much-in-2014).

Microfracture surgery, which is what Brennan Williams had and you have to take him off your board if true, imhfo. Means knee is cartilage challenged.

bah007
02-22-2014, 11:44 AM
This could also be pre draft misinformation.

Which is highly probable if Charles Davis said it. That guy doesn't know jack.

kiwitexansfan
02-22-2014, 11:58 AM
If Niklas runs well, he will be really tempting if he gets to 2:1.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 12:27 PM
If Niklas runs well, he will be really tempting if he gets to 2:1.

ASF & Niklas are late scratches for the 40.


Utah TE Jake Murphy is former Atlanta Braves outfielder Dale Murphy's son.

Lucky
02-22-2014, 12:27 PM
If Niklas runs well, he will be really tempting if he gets to 2:1.
Have to wait for his pro day to find out. Not running today.

kiwitexansfan
02-22-2014, 12:49 PM
Well that is another disappointment. Is he injured?

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 01:02 PM
QBs Jeff Matthews 9, Bryn Renner 14, and Dustin Vaughan 18 throwing to TEs today.

Eric Ebron is done with hamstring tweak.

Troy Niklas isn't running 40 because he has a strain from earlier this week.

Texian
02-22-2014, 01:03 PM
Which is highly probable if Charles Davis said it. That guy doesn't know jack.

In Charles defense, who I highly respect, he was quoting what he had heard from several different NFL personnel. One guy said this and one guy said that. One guy said he was a 1st RD pick and one guy said he was a medical redshirt.

beerlover
02-22-2014, 01:05 PM
QBs Jeff Matthews Bryn Renner, Dustin Vaughan throwing to TEs today.

Jeff Matthews looks like an O'Brian type QB.

Brisco_County
02-22-2014, 01:10 PM
Comparing Clowney's measurables to Watt's:

Clowney:
Height: 6'5 1/4
Weight: 266
Hands: 10
Arms: 34 1/2
Wingspan: 83

Watt:
Height: 6'5 3/8
Weight: 290
Hands: 11 1/8
Arms: 34
Wingspan: 82 1/2

bah007
02-22-2014, 01:19 PM
In Charles defense, who I highly respect, he was quoting what he had heard from several different NFL personnel. One guy said this and one guy said that. One guy said he was a 1st RD pick and one guy said he was a medical redshirt.

I'm just picking on Charles. I respect his background but he just doesn't have it with scouting or analysis. He's wrong just about always.

Something like this where he is just passing along info would not be held against him.

Texian
02-22-2014, 01:24 PM
I'm just picking on Charles. I respect his background but he just doesn't have it with scouting or analysis. He's wrong just about always.

Something like this where he is just passing along info would not be held against him.

Charles always takes the high road. I don't think I have ever heard him say an ill word about anyone. That can work against you in scouting and analysis.

mussop
02-22-2014, 01:25 PM
Kony Ealy's rounded measurements: 6'4/273 lbs. 34 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands.

This is the guy I'm very interested in. If he runs like I think he will he will shoot up draft boards.

Texian
02-22-2014, 01:28 PM
Kony Ealy's rounded measurements: 6'4/273 lbs. 34 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands.

This is the guy I'm very interested in. If he runs like I think he will he will shoot up draft boards.

general consensus is he's a mid to late 1st rd pick.

bah007
02-22-2014, 01:33 PM
Charles always takes the high road. I don't think I have ever heard him say an ill word about anyone. That can work against you in scouting and analysis.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Like I said, I really respect his background. I just think he's in over his head with this stuff.

steelbtexan
02-22-2014, 01:34 PM
"Dutch speedskating coach Jillert Anema gave an amazing interview to CNBC today featuring one of the best rants ever...

You have a lot of attention on a foolish sport like American football and you waste a lot of talent, athletic talent, on a sport that is meant to kill each other, to injure each other. … You’re so narrow-minded, and then you want to compete against the world [in other sports] when you waste a lot of time, good talent on a sport that sucks."

I thought that was an anemic rant.

A Dutchman lol

Figures

bah007
02-22-2014, 01:34 PM
Ealy is off the board between 12-20, IMO. He's the #2 DL drafted probably.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 01:37 PM
He's likely already off our board for character, but...
Taylor Lewan's puzzling comments (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/2/20/5431274/nfl-scouting-combine-day-1-recap)
No player had a weirder press conference than Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan. Often smirking or even chuckling through answers, Lewan deflected questions...

I posted this yesterday and bring it forward to say I do not agree with the characterization the writer made of Lewan's attitude after seeing his NFL.com interview. He answered the questions, explained the situations, and seemed light-hearted and grateful. Liked him.

AngryNateFTW
02-22-2014, 01:44 PM
Kony Ealy's rounded measurements: 6'4/273 lbs. 34 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands.

This is the guy I'm very interested in. If he runs like I think he will he will shoot up draft boards.

I was surprised his hands were only 9 1/2. You can tell by watching him play that he has very long arms. He could easily be a top 5 pick. Aldon Smith is a good comparison.

mussop
02-22-2014, 01:58 PM
I was surprised his hands were only 9 1/2. You can tell by watching him play that he has very long arms. He could easily be a top 5 pick. Aldon Smith is a good comparison.

When I said shoot up draft boards this is what I meant. I could easily see him going top ten. I was also very surprised by his hand size. Good thing he won't be throwing the football.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 02:15 PM
Kony Ealy's rounded measurements: 6'4/273 lbs. 34 1/4" arms and 9 1/2" hands...If he runs like I think he will he will shoot up draft boards.

He already shooted well before the combine. :cowboy1:

Ryan McCrystal ‏@Ryan_McCrystal
Austin Seferian-Jenkins says he wasn't cleared medically to participate. Didn't say why. Didn't say when he might be cleared.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins dodging questions on NFL Network on why he didn't work out and when he will work out. He says "talk to my agent"
"Unsure about his pro day."

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Sources tell me unlikely Seferian-Jenkins is healthy for a pro-day.

I'm told the injury which kept Austin-Seferian Jenkins from working out is a fracture in his foot.

AngryNateFTW
02-22-2014, 02:37 PM
I don't want Taylor Lewan. He's a disgusting human-being.

You wanna know more, google "Taylor Lewan threatens rape victim."

He has more than just on the field rage problems.

CloakNNNdagger
02-22-2014, 02:46 PM
He already shooted well before the combine. :cowboy1:

Ryan McCrystal ‏@Ryan_McCrystal


"Unsure about his pro day."

I saw somewhere where he has been clocked to match the number he wore..........4.7

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 03:04 PM
Cyrus Kouandjio had not so great day but tape shows otherwise.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Bad news for #Bama OT Cyrus Kouandjio. I’m told several teams have failed him on his physical. Arthritic knee from failed surgery. “Ugly.”

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
I have late 1st round grade on Cyrus Kouandjio, but no way to tell if knee issue is genuinely something teams are worried about.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Re: Kouandjio RT @brentsobleski: Genetic. Brother has chronic bad knees

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe
WAY to early to say Kouandjio drops a lot because of knee. Every team will look at it differently. He didn't miss time and that's important

Louis Delmas also flunked some physicals because of arthritic knees. He went at top of 2nd and became a top NFL safety

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Lucas: Officially a stress fracture in his left foot

Bad news for OT Cornelius Lucas. Foot injury, out of the NFL Combine, 6-8 week rehab schedule

Texian
02-22-2014, 03:30 PM
The question, does the Combine make any difference? See Cyrus Kouandjio. A consensus 1st rd pick at the start of the The Combine and after the 40, medicals and drills is out of the 1st rd with no real idea how far he could drop.

Lucky
02-22-2014, 04:16 PM
I don't want Taylor Lewan. He's a disgusting human-being.

You wanna know more, google "Taylor Lewan threatens rape victim."

He has more than just on the field rage problems.
Because there were never charges pressed, it's difficult to know what to believe. I think every team would have to make their own assessment.

Warning!!! Don't play a Taylor Lewan press conference drinking game where the buzz phrase is "play through the whistle". You will die of alcohol poisoning.

Playoffs
02-22-2014, 04:29 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhGy_pyCQAALSC_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhGy_pyCQAALSC_.jpg

Who is this old man and why is he masquerading as an NFL prospect???


2014 NFL combine: Training firms go all-out optimizing prospects' results (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24452949/nfl-combine-training-firms-go-all-out-optimizing-prospects-results)


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Mr.Scarface
02-22-2014, 05:03 PM
Anyone think Matthews will drop because of this?

Jake Mathews is overrated. I've seen him play 5 years...including high school. Name has gotten him where he is. He brother still at A&M is REALLY overrated.

I would not take Jake in the first round.

Mr.Scarface
02-22-2014, 05:04 PM
Not really,but I think is brute power is questioned. I mean when u pick an ol as high as matthews is projected, you want him to be able to physically maul guys. From what I watched and now getting his numbers, he's looking like just a solid lt/rt. He won't be a bust, he'll be solid player,not all pro type.

Top 5 pick is supposed to be All-Pro.

infantrycak
02-22-2014, 05:11 PM
The question, does the Combine make any difference? See Cyrus Kouandjio. A consensus 1st rd pick at the start of the The Combine and after the 40, medicals and drills is out of the 1st rd with no real idea how far he could drop.

Folks were talking about the drill portion of the combine.

Lucky
02-22-2014, 05:15 PM
Not really,but I think is brute power is questioned. I mean when u pick an ol as high as matthews is projected, you want him to be able to physically maul guys. From what I watched and now getting his numbers, he's looking like just a solid lt/rt. He won't be a bust, he'll be solid player,not all pro type.
The 2013 All Pro Tackles were Joe Thomas and Jason Peters. Would you consider either of those guys maulers?

kiwitexansfan
02-22-2014, 05:22 PM
With Lucas injured, he'll likely fall maybe even to UDFA.

Would love he Txans to nab him still.

_King_
02-22-2014, 05:32 PM
Lyerla with a 4.47...

I would roll the dice on him in like the 4th or 5th round if he fell that far...

Ebron with a 4.50...Nice...

Texian
02-22-2014, 06:26 PM
Folks were talking about the drill portion of the combine.

Well then CK's drill portion knocked him out of the first. He did all the drills and they were not worthy of a 1st RD.