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Playoffs
02-04-2014, 10:48 AM
GM FOR DAY: HOUSTON TEXANS (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67382708/new-houston-texans-coach-bill-obrien-has-his-work-cut-out-for-him)
Russ Lande for SportsOnEarth
The Texans may bypass Clowney in the first round and draft Alabama outside linebacker Adrian Hubbard or Arkansas' Chris Smith at the top of the second round.
According to trusted sources, the Texans are initially leaning towards taking either Blake Bortles or Johnny Manziel with the top pick. Although Manziel would obviously be the choice of owner Bob McNair, O'Brien is not sold that Manziel possesses the work ethic and intangibles necessary to be the face of a franchise.
The Texans do not have the salary cap space needed to go get a nose tackle like Paul Soliai, so they could choose to target the unproven Al Woods or under-achieving Terrance Cody in free agency . Woods has slowly developed and improved in two seasons with the Steelers. Cody has the massive size and strength that Crennel loves in the middle of his defense. They also may attempt to lure free agent defensive end Tyson Jackson from the Chiefs; Jackson played for Crennel, and since he has not been a top performer, his price will be right.

The Texans will also need to add a big, physical inside linebacker to play next to Brian Cushing. They could look at Redskins' free agent Perry Riley to fill that role if the Redskins do no re-sign him before free agency begins

rmartin65
02-04-2014, 10:50 AM
Everything about that article makes me worried.

Texecutioner
02-04-2014, 10:53 AM
Everything about that article makes me worried.

Because????

Texian
02-04-2014, 10:53 AM
Everything about that article makes me worried.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. While reading, I was thinking this sounds like steps backwards, instead of forwards.

htownfan32
02-04-2014, 10:55 AM
If the choice is Bortles and Manziel please give me Bortles. Let someone else gamble on Manziel.

rmartin65
02-04-2014, 11:01 AM
Because????

I think Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in the class, and its not really close. The more I study the 3, TB is the only one that I think will have lasting success in the NFL. So... the fact that he is not even mentioned as a possibility has me worried.

I don't think Hubbard or Smith are good targets for a pass-rusher at the top of the 2nd.

I hate Cody as a player, and Woods is a never was. Might be a good rotation player, but I can't see him becoming a true starting NT. Jackson is interesting though (as a DE).

Incognito? Really? Dude is a tool, and an overrated player to boot.

Texecutioner
02-04-2014, 11:07 AM
I think Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in the class, and its not really close. The more I study the 3, TB is the only one that I think will have lasting success in the NFL. So... the fact that he is not even mentioned as a possibility has me worried.

I don't see this as a reason to be worried at all. This is just a case of you not liking these other prospects and you really liking Teddy. I do see concerns in Bridgewater personally, but I also see his upside just like I do with the other QB's.

I I don't think Hubbard or Smith are good targets for a pass-rusher at the top of the 2nd.

Why?



I Incognito? Really? Dude is a tool, and an overrated player to boot.

I think that Incognito would probably play well for a guy like O'Brien. We could probably get him on the cheap right now. Antonio Smith would be extremely happy about it as well. :brando:

beerlover
02-04-2014, 11:11 AM
don't teams make a regular practice of deception & gamesmanship in order to drive up value in the first overall pick? just saying :kitten:

Dishman
02-04-2014, 11:22 AM
don't teams make a regular practice of deception & gamesmanship in order to drive up value in the first overall pick? just saying :kitten:

Be wary of "sources".

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-7757.html

Just some scuttlebutt, but if (when?) the Houston Texans release Matt Schaub, the Raiders could be among the teams interested in the quarterback. Schematically, it isn’t a great fit, and Schaub is more a “systems” guy, but it’s said he has some fans in the organization and would be a stabilizing factor. . . . Speaking of the Texans, some solid team sources insist new coach Bill O’Brien isn’t as overboard on Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles as has been suggested in some quarters. “He’s keeping an open mind,” one source said. “The page is blank right now. People keep trying to connect the dots to the fact (Bortles) beat Penn State last year, but I wouldn’t make too much of that.”

stingray
02-04-2014, 11:36 AM
Why would any team with the #1 pick lean towards anyone in february before any interviews, combine or workouts?

TheIronDuke
02-04-2014, 11:40 AM
Yeah I'm with stingray. I think a lot of bullcrap will be said by a lot of people and none will be more valid than the rest. I will wait to see what they do at combines and pro days and will trust Bill O'Brien to make the correct decision. Definitely not trusting Rick Smith though but I'm sure he won't have as much say-so in at least the QB drafting.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 11:51 AM
Why would any team with the #1 pick lean towards anyone in february before any interviews, combine or workouts?

Because the players are judged on football play, and everything is already on tape.

Interview might put you off a player. Combine might reveal injury concerns. There are still some height/weight/speed relics around but let's hope OB is beyond the Al Davis school of drafting. Pro days are interesting, but you're not comparing guys and it's still not football.

HOU-TEX
02-04-2014, 12:14 PM
From the OP

Although Manziel would obviously be the choice of owner Bob McNair,

Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.

infantrycak
02-04-2014, 12:16 PM
Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.

Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).

HOU-TEX
02-04-2014, 12:22 PM
Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).

They're both Gamecocks.

Is this Russ guy just assuming Manziel's McNairs obvious choice? The point of my post was, how did he come to this conclusion?

drs23
02-04-2014, 12:23 PM
Not worried in the least. January smoke screens. McNair just appeasing his pushy Aggie next door neighbor.

First pick will be a long snapper. :D

Blake
02-04-2014, 12:24 PM
Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).

I think his point is that the owner has not said much if anything about Manziel, while we have direct quotes from him discussing Clowney. Not to mention S.C. is his Alma Mater.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 12:26 PM
Is this Russ guy just assuming Manziel's McNairs obvious choice? The point of my post was, how did he come to this conclusion?

I think either 1) some people think McNair went to A&M or 2) because he's so close that McNair "saw" all of the JFF uproar. Like cable television doesn't reach across the country.

I've seen same said about Jaguars "obvious" interest in Bortles because he's "right there in their back yard." Silly.

kiwitexansfan
02-04-2014, 12:27 PM
Russ Lande = one of the guys who had Nassib #1 overall on his big board last year.

stingray
02-04-2014, 12:28 PM
Because the players are judged on football play, and everything is already on tape.

Interview might put you off a player. Combine might reveal injury concerns. There are still some height/weight/speed relics around but let's hope OB is beyond the Al Davis school of drafting. Pro days are interesting, but you're not comparing guys and it's still not football.

Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.

Corrosion
02-04-2014, 12:32 PM
Ive mentioned this before ....

I'll just say this - I've mentioned before that McNair is enamored with Manziel , its been ignored for the most part .... but hey , what do I know ?

You don't realize how true a possibility Manziel really is .... there is talk that McNair is enamored with Manziel .... at #1.




Cant cite the source .... but this isn't a joke or a smoke screen.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 12:36 PM
Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.

That goes to OB's preferences for his QB to run his offense. Up to him.

infantrycak
02-04-2014, 12:38 PM
i've seen same said about Jaguars "obvious" interest in Bortles because he's "right there in their back yard." Silly.

Yeah that one cracks me up especially in context of they will take him over Bridgewater as the "hometown" guy when both are from Florida.

They're both Gamecocks.

OK. Whiffed on that.

Allstar
02-04-2014, 01:34 PM
The point about Manziel being McNair's obvious choice is because of the Texas A&M fanbase around Houston, and all the attention JFF brings to the team.

TexansFTW
02-04-2014, 01:36 PM
I think either 1) some people think McNair went to A&M or 2) because he's so close that McNair "saw" all of the JFF uproar. Like cable television doesn't reach across the country.

I've seen same said about Jaguars "obvious" interest in Bortles because he's "right there in their back yard." Silly.

And Tebow.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 01:44 PM
Matt Miller on the Bortles/Manziel chatter: "It's good information, but it's early."

***************

I found this section most interesting...
Problem: Transitioning their 34 defense.
Solution: To outsiders, the switch from Wade Phillips to Crennel should not be a huge adjustment because the Texans already play as 3-4 defense. But to those on the inside the difference is readily apparent. The Texans played what many scouts call the "small 3-4" under Phillips, which is similar to what the Chargers and Steelers have run in recent seasons.

The small 3-4 usually relies upon smaller, more athletic defensive linemen and linebackers to defeat blocks and make plays behind the line of scrimmage. On the other side of the spectrum is the "big 3-4" which the Patriots played for many years with Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork and Ty Warren and the Browns and Chiefs played under Coach Crennel. This defense is based on having large defensive linemen who can play two-gap defense and big linebackers who can play strong at the point of attack against blockers.

While the small 3-4 scheme is more of a one gap, penetrating defense, the larger one is based on building a seven-man (three defensive linemen and four linebackers) wall across the field that can shut down the run completely and punish receivers who catch short passes. J.J. Watt is talented enough to be a premier player in this scheme, nit the Texans need to find a big, 330+ pound nose tackle and another large defensive end to give them the powerful defensive line that this defense would require (Especially as they are not likely to re-sign 30-year old, big-budget defensive end Antonio Smith).

The Texans do not have the salary cap space needed to go get a nose tackle like Paul Soliai, so they could choose to target the unproven Al Woods or under-achieving Terrance Cody in free agency . Woods has slowly developed and improved in two seasons with the Steelers. Cody has the massive size and strength that Crennel loves in the middle of his defense. They also may attempt to lure free agent defensive end Tyson Jackson from the Chiefs; Jackson played for Crennel, and since he has not been a top performer, his price will be right.

The Texans will also need to add a big, physical inside linebacker to play next to Brian Cushing. They could look at Redskins' free agent Perry Riley to fill that role if the Redskins do no re-sign him before free agency begins

mussop
02-04-2014, 02:30 PM
Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.

Why would they lean to teddy over Manziel and Bortles when their play was just as good or better?

stingray
02-04-2014, 02:45 PM
Why would they lean to teddy over Manziel and Bortles when their play was just as good or better?

I guess you miss my point. I didnt say they need to lean towards Teddy. My point is that neither of the three have separated themselves on tape so why would you lean towards any or exclude one of the three in february. It smells like a classic smokescreen. Especially since obrien is a Bellichick disciple.

b0ng
02-04-2014, 03:04 PM
Ive mentioned this before ....





Cant cite the source .... but this isn't a joke or a smoke screen.

If you make a claim but don't cite a source people tend to ignore it unless you've broken massive stories on here before national reporters do.

I think the problem with articles like this is that the writers themselves will sprinkle nuggets of sourced info along with their opinions and speculations mixed in and it's tough to separate the two. There's also the context in which the writer and the source had their conversation which rarely is in these articles because that takes too much time to get to the juicy details. So while we may read articles with "Sources close to the Texans" saying the organization/O'brien/McNair/Smith are leaning towards a specific player, we will probably never know how true it really is until the draft actually happens. Especially during this part of "no-mans land" of the offseason where FA hasn't started, and workouts have not taken place with potential draft picks. It's pretty much all speculation at this point because teams just aren't making many moves this time of year.

Corrosion
02-04-2014, 03:30 PM
If you make a claim but don't cite a source people tend to ignore it unless you've broken massive stories on here before national reporters do.



No one on this forum has broken massive stories. The Texans have always played it pretty close to the vest. National reporters don't know anymore about the organization than you do.

That doesn't mean what I stated is credible or .... not. Take it for what its worth , some @$$hole on the interwebz talkin out the side of his neck.

The Pencil Neck
02-04-2014, 03:38 PM
Everything about that article makes me worried.

What worries me is that you're reading something and thinking someone actually knows which way our FO is leaning.

rmartin65
02-04-2014, 03:48 PM
What worries me is that you're reading something and thinking someone actually knows which way our FO is leaning.

Thats a good point. It was a knee-jerk reaction.

mussop
02-04-2014, 03:50 PM
I guess you miss my point. I didnt say they need to lean towards Teddy. My point is that neither of the three have separated themselves on tape so why would you lean towards any or exclude one of the three in february. It smells like a classic smokescreen. Especially since obrien is a Bellichick disciple.

Now it makes sense. Sorry.

mussop
02-04-2014, 03:52 PM
No one on this forum has broken massive stories. The Texans have always played it pretty close to the vest. National reporters don't know anymore about the organization than you do.

That doesn't mean what I stated is credible or .... not. Take it for what its worth , some @$$hole on the interwebz talkin out the side of his neck.

I believe you. You've never been one to make stuff up. Why would you start now.

TexansFTW
02-04-2014, 03:55 PM
I think the problem with articles like this is that the writers themselves will sprinkle nuggets of sourced info along with their opinions and speculations mixed in and it's tough to separate the two. There's also the context in which the writer and the source had their conversation which rarely is in these articles because that takes too much time to get to the juicy details. So while we may read articles with "Sources close to the Texans" saying the organization/O'brien/McNair/Smith are leaning towards a specific player, we will probably never know how true it really is until the draft actually happens. Especially during this part of "no-mans land" of the offseason where FA hasn't started, and workouts have not taken place with potential draft picks. It's pretty much all speculation at this point because teams just aren't making many moves this time of year.

In football I never believe unless Shefty, Rap Sheet, or sometimes Glazer say it.

In basketball it's about the Woj.

Everything else is just heresay and speculation.

Corrosion
02-04-2014, 04:33 PM
In football I never believe unless Shefty, Rap Sheet, or sometimes Glazer say it.

In basketball it's about the Woj.

Everything else is just heresay and speculation.

There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:

Honoring Earl 34
02-04-2014, 04:39 PM
There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:

I have it from a reliable source that the Texans are leaning Juan Futbol , a kicker .

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091207012035/napoleondynamite/images/b/b1/Pedro-sanchez.jpg

powda
02-04-2014, 04:43 PM
There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:

Some people are just more credible then others. My brother and OB have the same plumber and the plumber told him OB told him they were drafting Boyd #1 overall. So, we need to start paying more attention to the second round pick now.

deucetx
02-04-2014, 04:50 PM
From the OP



Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.

I think it states that because in the article it cites that O'Brien isn't sold on Manziel. So they are basically trying to say if Manziel is picked it isn't an O'Brien pick so must be due to the owner. Kind of funny they just skip any thought process of Smith making the choice.

Anyway, like others already stated, it's way too early. Though talk like this does help generate trade talk if someone really wants Manziel....someone with two first round picks...someone who has shown to be inept in some of it's decisions...

So maybe we're trying to throw a dog a bone? :kitten:

_King_
02-04-2014, 04:51 PM
My sources say bridgewater is the pic. And my source is more sourcy than yours.

Take that fwiw.

Wolf
02-04-2014, 04:57 PM
I cant imagine Bob paying all the money to get O'Brien out of his Penn state contract. And then shove manziel I. His face and say "make do"

It isn't like Bob and the Carr situation where the coach is hired to fix the face of the "franchise" at that time

Corrosion
02-04-2014, 05:07 PM
I have it from a reliable source that the Texans are leaning Juan Futbol , a kicker .



He would definitely be an upgrade over the current liquored up kicker .... :spit:

LikeMike
02-04-2014, 05:09 PM
I don`t believe either one is worth the first pick. I expect both Clowney and Bridgewater to be taken in front of them. So if we were really targeting Bortles and Manziel I hope, we trade down.

I´d be both intrigued and frightened as hell if we`d select Manziel. Bortles might turn into a pretty good player that is clutch - think Big Ben. But there is a huge "might" in that sentence.

I´d be a lot more comfortable with Bridgewater. But I don`t think any prediction is worth a damn before the combine...

WolverineFan
02-04-2014, 06:30 PM
I like Bridgewater more than the other QB's, but I don't think he's that much further ahead of Bortles that I wouldn't consider it. If we could trade down to accumulate some extra picks and then take Bortles...I could definitely live with that.

If we don't trade down though, then I think Bridgewater should be the pick.

TexansSeminole
02-04-2014, 06:36 PM
Just another guy acting like he knows something.

TexansFTW
02-04-2014, 06:50 PM
I like Bridgewater more than the other QB's, but I don't think he's that much further ahead of Bortles that I wouldn't consider it. If we could trade down to accumulate some extra picks and then take Bortles...I could definitely live with that.

If we don't trade down though, then I think Bridgewater should be the pick.

I agree with this statement 100%.

thunderkyss
02-04-2014, 09:46 PM
I cant imagine Bob paying all the money to get O'Brien out of his Penn state contract. And then shove manziel I. His face and say "make do"

It isn't like Bob and the Carr situation where the coach is hired to fix the face of the "franchise" at that time

It wasn't likely that Manziel was going to enter the draft when O'Brien was hired. So I doubt there was any consideration to JFF when he was given the job. I think McNair is still in love with Keenum. If there were any caveats to O'Brien taking the job I doubt it's more than Keenum actually being developed & competing for an opportunity.

matts290
02-04-2014, 09:49 PM
It wasn't likely that Manziel was going to enter the draft when O'Brien was hired. So I doubt there was any consideration to JFF when he was given the job. I think McNair is still in love with Keenum. If there were any caveats to O'Brien taking the job I doubt it's more than Keenum actually being developed & competing for an opportunity.

O'Brien was officially hired on New Years Eve, the news broke in the middle of the A&M-Duke game at which time nearly everyone already assumed Manziel would be making the jump to the NFL and that his bowl game against Duke would be his last at A&M...8 days later Manziel officially declared for the draft just like everyone have been expecting him to do.

Trap_Star
02-04-2014, 09:58 PM
It was pretty much known Manziel would leave before the season even started.

Brisco_County
02-05-2014, 01:09 AM
The "trusted source" is the office of Rick Smith. It's a deliberate leak intended to send a message to the Browns that they shouldn't bet on Manziel making it past #1.

thunderkyss
02-05-2014, 11:23 AM
The "trusted source" is the office of Rick Smith. It's a deliberate leak intended to send a message to the Browns that they shouldn't bet on Manziel making it past #1.

If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.

jradMIT
02-05-2014, 12:16 PM
No credible organization with a deliberate decision making process would ever come to any concrete or mature point in the process without all or nearly all the data. To suggest they have narrowed the field to two players before the combine, pro days, and interviews not to mention OB still putting together his staff is beyond absurd. No credible person could find it acceptable.

Playoffs
02-05-2014, 12:20 PM
Surprised that this little nugget was passed over...
O'Brien is not sold that Manziel possesses the work ethic and intangibles necessary to be the face of a franchise.

kiwitexansfan
02-05-2014, 12:31 PM
Surprised that this little nugget was passed over...

I think people are calling BS on any info coming from any source other than the horses mouth right now, even then I think people are suspicious.

Allstar
02-05-2014, 12:31 PM
No credible organization with a deliberate decision making process would ever come to any concrete or mature point in the process without all or nearly all the data. To suggest they have narrowed the field to two players before the combine, pro days, and interviews not to mention OB still putting together his staff is beyond absurd. No credible person could find it acceptable.

I agree with you but just to play devil's advocate, it isn't that crazy to think we're 'leaning' one way or another.

michaelm
02-05-2014, 12:34 PM
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.


If you're a franchise who wants Clowney, the only thing you "know" is that the only guaranteed way to get Clowney is to trade with Houston at 1-1.
The Texans could conceivably trade the pick to a different team who takes Clowney.

steelbtexan
02-05-2014, 12:50 PM
If you're a franchise who wants Clowney, the only thing you "know" is that the only guaranteed way to get Clowney is to trade with Houston at 1-1.
The Texans could conceivably trade the pick to a different team who takes Clowney.

For instance Atlana or Oakland who would want a Clowney or Oakland wanting a QB. The only sure way to get the player you want in trade is to trade with Houston.

I could see this happening

1. Oakland- Bridgewater
2. Rams- Robinson
3. Jags-Bortles
4. Browns- Manziel
5. Hou- Clowney

I would be OK with Houston getting Robinson/Barr/Clowney at 5 and Oakland's 2nd this yr and a #1 in 2015.

TexansFTW
02-05-2014, 01:01 PM
This thread has become absurd.

We are creating conspiracy theories and hypotheticals, then shooting down the Conspiracy Theories and Hypotheticals of others.

It's almost time for me to pull the plug on the message board until the combines.

I probably won't though, because I'm stupid and read every post.

stingray
02-05-2014, 04:20 PM
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/02/05/dont-believe-the-february-hype/

mussop
02-05-2014, 05:58 PM
Trusted sources tell me Rus Lande is full of ****.

BullNation4Life
02-06-2014, 09:21 AM
My source told me that his source told him that his source's source gave hints that HIS reliable sources' source (twice removed) told him that...

Texans MIGHT, could POSSIBLY, take a QB #1 overall....


Take it for what it's worth, but it is a pretty reliable source/sources...


I, for one, am stoked by that sources information! Bring on the draft...

Playoffs
02-06-2014, 05:06 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
By the way, the Texans don't favor any of the 3 QBs over the others at this point in scouting process. More than half the process remains.

ChampionTexan
02-06-2014, 06:01 PM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFLBy the way, the Texans don't favor any of the 3 QBs over the others at this point in scouting process. More than half the process remains.

And since McClain is always wrong, we now know that they have made their decision - it's just a matter of figuring out which of the three it is.:kitten::kitten:

Marshall
02-06-2014, 06:04 PM
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.
You know nothing of the sort. The Texans have been quite good at letting everyone know that they have an interest in almost every top 6 player on the board. It is the point of maximizing offers for the 1-1. It is not a decision to trade, just a way of maximizing the value of the 1-1.

I can't believe there are so many over reactions to this game. We might choose any of the players mentioned or even one which is not in the picture now. If you want certainty about your guy, you have to deal with Houston - not St. Louis, not Jacksonville, not Cleveland, not Oakland and not Atlanta.

If we determine we have a guy we can't live without, then we arrange to get him. If we think 3 or 4 players are about equal, then we can maximize value by trading down just far enough to be certain of getting one of our choices. But we can only do this if there are differences of opinion in the various front offices.

Marshall
02-06-2014, 06:07 PM
And since McClain is always wrong, we now know that they have made their decision - it's just a matter of figuring out which of the three it is.:kitten::kitten:
I think he is wrong on the number in the QB group.

thunderkyss
02-06-2014, 08:40 PM
You know nothing of the sort. The Texans have been quite good at letting everyone know that they have an interest in almost every top 6 player on the board. It is the point of maximizing offers for the 1-1. It is not a decision to trade, just a way of maximizing the value of the 1-1.

I can't believe there are so many over reactions to this game.

I understand your point, I agree with it. However, my reply was in reply to someone who said this "message" signals the Browns that they need to trade with us to get Manziel.

I believe this message (that we are leaning towards Bortles/Manziel) signals the Browns to start thinking about plan B

Playoffs
02-07-2014, 10:14 AM
Jaguars GM David Caldwell on 2014 NFL Draft preparation: “We have a good idea who our Top 5 might be.”http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Fan-Forum-Caldwell-talks-draft/7d63c214-0abd-4913-a1b9-635622b2b835

djohn2oo8
02-07-2014, 10:18 AM
lol dumbass ESPN saying we should take Manziel because he is box office and Teddy doesn't have that rah rah ability, or exciting enough.

badboy
02-07-2014, 11:23 AM
Matt Miller on the Bortles/Manziel chatter: "It's good information, but it's early."

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I found this section most interesting...
1. ? 2. DT Stephon Tuitt 6'6" 312 (replaces Ninja) 3. ILB Shayne Skov 6'2 245 4. RT JuWaun James or Brandon Thomas 5. NT Ryan Carrethers 6'1" 330

I do not like idea of signing scrub FAs and hoping something lights a fire in them. Rather draft good prospects even if it takes a year or two. Cutting Schaub and A. Smith should get you the priority FA position coach wants (if any). Let's not mess up cap with Reed type FA. I am still thinking a huge trade down will occur.

badboy
02-07-2014, 11:40 AM
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.It isn't so much how we evaluate Manziel but how a trade pardner does. If Browns really want him and they think we do also, they may offer more. We say "yeah, Manziel is a good QB and probably a HOF in your organization. We could maybe do with another QB IF you make it worth our while." Browns think "Texans have so many holes they might just give up 1-1 and go QB later or 2015."

badboy
02-07-2014, 11:59 AM
http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/02/05/dont-believe-the-february-hype/
But this guy only makes it worse while acknowledging Lande said "leaning" then goes on to say does anyone think Texans have already decided before combine.
No, they are "leaning" per the sources.

Playoffs
02-07-2014, 12:23 PM
Jaguars GM David Caldwell on 2014 NFL Draft preparation: “We have a good idea who our Top 5 might be.”http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/Fan-Forum-Caldwell-talks-draft/7d63c214-0abd-4913-a1b9-635622b2b835

...No, they are "leaning" per the sources.

If Jags know their Top 5 Texans can be leaning...

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/80588-050-8d944bfe.jpg

badboy
02-07-2014, 01:08 PM
If Jags know their Top 5 Texans can be leaning...

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/80588-050-8d944bfe.jpg

How mobile is that?

Allstar
02-07-2014, 01:44 PM
The Jaguars weren't scrambling to assemble a coaching staff while also assessing their own players the last month.