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MistaRed
01-30-2014, 10:59 PM
"You get into a certain rhythm," O'Brien said. "Any coach that runs that type of up-tempo offense will tell you that first down is really important. If you get positive yards, then with your second-and-medium or second-and-short call you can call whatever you want. That's a play-caller's dream. You're in a play-calling rhythm."

Article from October 2012 on the No huddle offense O'Brien implemented at Penn State. Not much in the form of X's and O's but just thought I'd post anyway.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-10-26/sports/34731020_1_offense-fuels-offensive-coordinator-nascar

aussie_texan
01-31-2014, 02:06 AM
The NASCAR has given fifth-year senior quarterback Matt McGloin another opportunity to display his knowledge of O'Brien's offense by giving him a lot of responsibility in calling the play, setting up the pass protection, positioning his receivers, calling an audible if necessary, and executing the play.


The NASCAR doesn't necessarily gobble up big chunks of yardage; the Penn State offense as a whole is averaging 4.9 yards per play in Big Ten games, ranking it seventh of the 12 teams. But it keeps the defense from substituting and gets the offense into a quick tempo.

Do these two quotes not just scream Bridgewater. FWIW

drs23
01-31-2014, 10:24 AM
Do these two quotes not just scream Bridgewater. FWIW

That's persactly what ran through my mind as well.

BullNation4Life
01-31-2014, 10:32 AM
Do these two quotes not just scream Bridgewater. FWIW

It screams several different types of QB's , not just Bridgewater...

Good marketing though...

infantrycak
01-31-2014, 10:34 AM
It screams several different types of QB's , not just Bridgewater...

Good marketing though...

They weren't talking type, it was a reference to TB being known as studious and experienced in making lots of at the line adjustments.

dc_txtech
01-31-2014, 11:01 AM
Old Pine Box Tommy ran his form of the "Nascar" at Texas Tech. I know it's just another way of saying "hurry up" but the word still makes me cringe.

Hervoyel
01-31-2014, 11:05 AM
Old Pine Box Tommy ran his form of the "Nascar" at Texas Tech. I know it's just another way of saying "hurry up" but the word still makes me cringe.

It's more than just another way of saying "hurry up"

It's one less syllable so that makes it quicker to say. It's even more hurry up than the hurry up. See, there's no limit to the number of ways OB is going to speed up the Texans offense.

dc_txtech
01-31-2014, 11:07 AM
It's more than just another way of saying "hurry up"

It's one less syllable so that makes it quicker to say. It's even more hurry up than the hurry up. See, there's no limit to the number of ways OB is going to speed up the Texans offense.

Lol, makes sense Herv. At least it can't be any worse than the "Sugar Huddle".

Allstar
01-31-2014, 11:12 AM
Do these two quotes not just scream Bridgewater. FWIW

I'll tell you what they don't scream:

http://i.imgur.com/d7vWN.gif

OzzO
01-31-2014, 11:20 AM
/\ Ok, that made me laugh. Good timing.

NASCAR offense, huh? Doesn't matter if it's NASCAR, no huddle, hurry up, sugar huddle, or dink n dunk... as long as it gets down the field resulting in TD's and wins.

Maybe a "No honey, sugar can't huddle with dink'n NASCAR" offense.

Double Barrel
01-31-2014, 11:22 AM
lol at the timing of that Schaub gif :heh: Reading about hurry up/"NASCAR" offenses and then seeing that gif of poor Matt made me laugh this morning.

michaelm
01-31-2014, 11:59 AM
It's more than just another way of saying "hurry up"

It's one less syllable so that makes it quicker to say. It's even more hurry up than the hurry up. See, there's no limit to the number of ways OB is going to speed up the Texans offense.

O'Brien is an offensive genius. Don't be surprised if he is able to further refine this down to one syllable, or even *gasp!* a single letter. Yeah, I know it sounds preposterous, but nobody ever believed that a man would land on the sun, until the North Koreans proved them wrong.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d4_1390845826

houstonspartan
01-31-2014, 03:21 PM
I'll tell you what they don't scream:



http://i.imgur.com/d7vWN.gif


Lmao!!!!!!!!!!


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bah007
01-31-2014, 04:15 PM
The speed or tempo of the no huddle offense has never been as appealing to me as the ability to keep the defense from subbing players.

Without being able to adjust their personnel, you have the ability on offense to mercilessly attack the weakness in that personnel group, whatever it may be.

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 11:51 AM
Texans’ Fitzpatrick, Savage hint at complexity of O’Brien’s offense (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/05/texans-fitzpatrick-savage-hint-at-complexity-of-obriens-offense/#23724101=0)
“It’s definitely a complex system,” said Fitzpatrick, following the second day of OTAs at NRG Stadium. “There’s just a lot of demands. Not only on the quarterback but everybody. You’ve got to be a smart player to play in this offense. I think everybody’s on board, just because of the history of the offense and past success. When this things clicking, the great things that we’ve seen they do.”

What makes O’Brien’s offense different?

“It’s hard to rely on other guys,” Fitzpatrick said. “You’ve got to be able to be the one to make all the calls, whether you’re a guard or a tackle or the center. Running backs have a lot of responsibility. The receivers have a lot going on, in terms of formations and motions.”

So let's see, which position group's responsibilities and complexities have increased: QB, WR/TE, RB, T, G, C. :truck:

We'll be seeing guys getting cut because of difficulty assimilating the offense, or doing so at game speed who otherwise might be successful in the NFL. Processing & decision-making at a premium, now.

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 12:19 PM
Texans’ Fitzpatrick, Savage hint at complexity of O’Brien’s offense (http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/05/texans-fitzpatrick-savage-hint-at-complexity-of-obriens-offense/#23724101=0)


So let's see, which position group's responsibilities and complexities have increased: QB, WR/TE, RB, T, G, C. :truck:

We'll be seeing guys getting cut because of difficulty assimilating the offense, or doing so at game speed who otherwise might be successful in the NFL. Processing & decision-making at a premium, now.

And AJ is there for none of this, he is going to be so behind when he comes back. Why in the hell is he doing this anyways it makes no sense. He is only hurting the team with this childish BS.

steelbtexan
05-29-2014, 12:30 PM
And AJ is there for none of this, he is going to be so behind when he comes back. Why in the hell is he doing this anyways it makes no sense. He is only hurting the team with this childish BS.

$$$$

disaacks3
05-29-2014, 12:33 PM
And AJ is there for none of this, he is going to be so behind when he comes back. Why in the hell is he doing this anyways it makes no sense. He is only hurting the team with this childish BS. A whole lot less worried about AJ "catching up" vs. worrying about the other young WR picking the system up first.

The "childish BS" is honestly one of the only ways players can show their displeasure. We've been spoiled in Houston by a severe drought of holdouts. With most other teams, a guy missing OTAs is a *yawn* inducing affair.

dc_txtech
05-29-2014, 12:38 PM
Yup, still wince and grimace when I hear "Nascar offense".

IDEXAN
05-29-2014, 01:05 PM
And AJ is there for none of this, he is going to be so behind when he comes back. Why in the hell is he doing this anyways it makes no sense. He is only hurting the team with this childish BS.
Well said, totally agree with your comments here.
One of the reasons we've always liked and respected AJ so much beyond his abilities was that he was the unselfish super star who was an anti-diva, the non prima donna among the selfish, self centered WRs in the NFL. His behavior lately is rapidly depleting all of that good will that he's established with the fan base over the years. I know it is with me.

mussop
05-29-2014, 01:10 PM
And AJ is there for none of this, he is going to be so behind when he comes back. Why in the hell is he doing this anyways it makes no sense. He is only hurting the team with this childish BS.

I find these kind of opinions childish. Wha wha he's hurting my team sob sob. This isn't entertainment to him it's his career. The "he wants more money" crowd is silly to. He has never once said he wants more money. I don't see what's so complicated here. He has two maybe three more productive ( by his standard) years remaining and he's not sure he wants to go out on a rebuilding team. He's worked his ass off for twelve years for this franchise and now he's seeing the end of the road and human nature is taking over. He is a great competitor and wants to win. And don't respond with that he's under contract crap. ( not you in particular Ellis) He has every right to do what he is doing just like the texans have the right to void his contract if they see fit.

HJam72
05-29-2014, 01:18 PM
If I were AJ, I'd be very unhappy with this organization as well. When you are a superstar nearing the end of your career, you don't want to just waste your last few years helping a team start over. He's already helped this team go from the very beginning to 12-4 and 2 playoff wins, only to see it's QB fall apart and go away. He's not thinking about money; he's thinking about the Hall of Fame and Superbowl ring(s).

At this point, I'd be up for a trade, if we can get something worth it. If he wants a trade, he's earned it. He's earned whatever he wants and however he wants to deal with the situation.

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 01:23 PM
And AJ is... hurting the team with this childish BS.

It's just business.

NCTexan
05-29-2014, 01:27 PM
His behavior lately is rapidly depleting all of that good will that he's established with the fan base over the years. I know it is with me.

What behavior? Answering questions he's asked and missing voluntary workouts?

People are making way to big a deal out of this right now.

kingtexan
05-29-2014, 01:29 PM
What behavior? Answering questions he's asked and missing voluntary workouts?

People are making way to big a deal out of this right now.

The workouts right now aren't voluntary.

Right now, he is absolutely hurting this team.

Great respect for what he has done as an athlete, but not much respect for him as a man right now.

DocBar
05-29-2014, 01:30 PM
Isn't there already a thread on AJ?:kitten:

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 01:39 PM
A whole lot less worried about AJ "catching up" vs. worrying about the other young WR picking the system up first.

The "childish BS" is honestly one of the only ways players can show their displeasure. We've been spolied in Houston by a severe drought of holdouts. With most other teams, a guy missing OTAs is a *yawn* inducing affair.

yes but he is not demanding a trade, new contract or to be cut he has no demands so holding out is really useless it makes no sense.

DocBar
05-29-2014, 01:43 PM
The workouts right now aren't voluntary.

Right now, he is absolutely hurting this team.

Great respect for what he has done as an athlete, but not much respect for him as a man right now.Whether AJ is hurting the team or not, these OTA's are absolutely voluntary.

IDEXAN
05-29-2014, 01:48 PM
What behavior? Answering questions he's asked and missing voluntary workouts?

People are making way to big a deal out of this right now.
As they say, actions(behavior) speak louder than words, and his behavior in the form of his absence from the current work outs (which are voluntary in only the most technical sense, especially with a new regime running the Texans now), is speaking volumes.

PapaL
05-29-2014, 01:58 PM
I guess he can prolong his career by not being on the field if he doesn't know the NASCAR playbook. He can also lighten his wallet when he's fined for missing MANDATORY workouts. Until either/both of those happen we're just in a waiting pattern.

NCTexan
05-29-2014, 02:09 PM
The workouts right now aren't voluntary.

Right now, he is absolutely hurting this team.

Great respect for what he has done as an athlete, but not much respect for him as a man right now.

DocBar handled this pretty well.
How do you think he is hurting the team exactly?

As they say, actions(behavior) speak louder than words, and his behavior in the form of his absence from the current work outs (which are voluntary in only the most technical sense, especially with a new regime running the Texans now), is speaking volumes.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that voluntary had multiple meanings. If they are voluntary "in only the most technical sense" then we'll see the coaches bench him, trade him, or whatever they see fit. Until then, I'll listen to what O'Brien is saying and assume that no one has any anger at AJ for missing these right now.

infantrycak
05-29-2014, 03:19 PM
I think childish is the perfect word for this discussion. Just not for AJ.

kingtexan
05-29-2014, 03:24 PM
How do you think he is hurting the team exactly?


By not being there. Exactly.

NCTexan
05-29-2014, 03:46 PM
By not being there. Exactly.

Great job repeating yourself and avoiding the question.

How does that hurt the team?

mussop
05-29-2014, 03:46 PM
By not being there. Exactly.

Uh huh please explain.

ChampionTexan
05-29-2014, 04:07 PM
The workouts right now aren't voluntary.



If by "aren't voluntary", you mean "are voluntary", you are correct. Keep up the good work.

Attendance at the Texans’ offseason workouts and 10 OTAs is not mandatory but is typically 100 percent. Last year, Texans coach Gary Kubiak allowed approximately 25 veterans, mostly starters, to rest during mini-camp.

LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Texans-announce-offseason-program-schedule/420a7072-9141-4483-8b95-aaac91076230)

Double Barrel
05-29-2014, 04:18 PM
If anything, AJ's absence allows the other WRs to get more reps. That's always a good thing.

kingtexan
05-29-2014, 04:36 PM
Anyone who thinks AJ not being there is a good thing is a fool. He was a leader on this team, and someone to help the rookies and younger players by showing them how you prepare as a pro. How you perform as a pro. How to conduct yourself on and off the field as a pro. Now he is nothing more than yet another spoiled brat whining so they can have their way. Very disappointing, and yes because this is a new regime and now more than ever the leadership on this team needs to be there and learn, and teach, and help build ... it hurts the team.

Double Barrel
05-29-2014, 04:41 PM
Why do head coaches allow veterans to sit out of OTA's if it's never a good thing?

Do you think not having that extra wear and tear on his body could be a good thing at this point in AJ's career?

I'd be careful throwing the fool tag around, all things considered. :thinking:

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 05:07 PM
Why do head coaches allow veterans to sit out of OTA's if it's never a good thing?

Do you think not having that extra wear and tear on his body could be a good thing at this point in AJ's career?

I'd be careful throwing the fool tag around, all things considered. :thinking:

He could at least be there to observe and learn the new offense.

mussop
05-29-2014, 05:13 PM
Anyone who thinks AJ not being there is a good thing is a fool. He was a leader on this team, and someone to help the rookies and younger players by showing them how you prepare as a pro. How you perform as a pro. How to conduct yourself on and off the field as a pro. Now he is nothing more than yet another spoiled brat whining so they can have their way. Very disappointing, and yes because this is a new regime and now more than ever the leadership on this team needs to be there and learn, and teach, and help build ... it hurts the team.

You are clueless and your post are a waste of time. Welcome to my ignore list. Population 3. :voodoo:

kingtexan
05-29-2014, 05:20 PM
You are clueless and your post are a waste of time. Welcome to my ignore list. Population 3. :voodoo:

Oh my, how will I ever survive ...

NCTexan
05-29-2014, 05:26 PM
He could at least be there to observe and learn the new offense.

How do you know he doesn't have the playbook and isn't studying it?

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 07:16 PM
How do you know he doesn't have the playbook and isn't studying it?

"Hey coach i'm so mad right now i dont even know if i want to be hear, on the other hand can you send me over a playbook for me to study"

Possible but highly unlikely, and it is more than just knowing the Xs and Os it is also about timing with a potential new QB. There is a lot more to playing football than simply the playbook.

DocBar
05-29-2014, 07:44 PM
"Hey coach i'm so mad right now i dont even know if i want to be hear, on the other hand can you send me over a playbook for me to study"

Possible but highly unlikely, and it is more than just knowing the Xs and Os it is also about timing with a potential new QB. There is a lot more to playing football than simply the playbook.I would be shocked if he didn't have one. There are a whole lot of players on the team that have it and they won't be on the team when the season starts.

And it would probably be more like BO'B telling him to take his time, get his head right and oh, by the way, here's the playbook for you to study. See what you think of it.

amazing80
05-29-2014, 07:45 PM
I agree he can voice his opinion, but to not show up for your TEAM is childish. I understand and sympathize with him, but he signed that LARGE contract that will make him rich the next few seasons, but to whine publicly and not show up for workouts is foolish. He signed a contract that has us by the balls. We cannot cut or trade him without MAJOR ramifications against our cap. He is stuck here. Get to OTAs and get to work. Love ya bro, but its time to man up and finish what you started.

I hate my job, but I still show up every day to work for the man....welcome to life Dre.

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 07:50 PM
I would be shocked if he didn't have one. There are a whole lot of players on the team that have it and they won't be on the team when the season starts.

And it would probably be more like BO'B telling him to take his time, get his head right and oh, by the way, here's the playbook for you to study. See what you think of it.

WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....

Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:

houstonspartan
05-29-2014, 08:27 PM
Why do head coaches allow veterans to sit out of OTA's if it's never a good thing?



Do you think not having that extra wear and tear on his body could be a good thing at this point in AJ's career?



I'd be careful throwing the fool tag around, all things considered. :thinking:


Good point.

Playoffs
05-29-2014, 08:28 PM
WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....

Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:

Break a leg. :goodluck:

houstonspartan
05-29-2014, 08:31 PM
WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....



Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:


Good luck, man.

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 08:32 PM
Break a leg. :goodluck:

Good luck, man.

Thanks guys !

thunderkyss
05-29-2014, 09:09 PM
For all I know, Andre sitting out could be just the thing this soft team needs.

Brown:"Hey, where's Andre."

Myers: "He's not coming, said he doesn't know if he can go through this again, you know 'rebuilding' he said he might not show up for mandatory camp either."

Arian: "Word?"

DeAndre: "Man that ain't right. How does he know we won't win the Super Bowl this year?"

Jj Watt: "Are you serious? The way we played last year."

Case: "Well that was because of Schaub, & he's not here."

Jjo: "Get yo ass out of here."

Cushing: "Yeah, it wasn't just on Schaub. We all screwed the pooch last year."

KJax: "Man there was too much going on... coach almost died, then they fired his ass."

Tj: "Naw... those were distractions. We've got to be better about keeping our focus every game, every play. Every other team would have won that game for their coach, or the game before where Wade's daddy died. Other teams rally around stuff like that. We fell apart."

Arian: "Word."

Myers: "Then it's on us. We've got to convince Andre that we've learned from last year & that we're going to make this work."

Cushing: "Yeah, let's do this for Andre."

Kj: "I'm game, he deserves better than what we did last year."

Brown: "We all do, but yeah... let's do this for Andre."

Jj Watt: "For Andre."

Arian: "Word!!"






Case: "Can I come back in the room?"

mussop
05-29-2014, 09:13 PM
WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....

Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:

Own it! And good luck!

Thorn
05-29-2014, 09:18 PM
Are we sure we want our offense resembling a bunch of cars driving around in circles?

EllisUnit
05-29-2014, 09:27 PM
Are we sure we want our offense resembling a bunch of cars driving around in circles?

yea pa but dey go so fassst

NCTexan
05-29-2014, 10:27 PM
I agree he can voice his opinion, but to not show up for your TEAM is childish. I understand and sympathize with him, but he signed that LARGE contract that will make him rich the next few seasons, but to whine publicly and not show up for workouts is foolish. He signed a contract that has us by the balls. We cannot cut or trade him without MAJOR ramifications against our cap. He is stuck here. Get to OTAs and get to work. Love ya bro, but its time to man up and finish what you started.

I hate my job, but I still show up every day to work for the man....welcome to life Dre.

A contract the Texans can break and end up not paying him all the money for no reason.

DocBar
05-29-2014, 11:29 PM
WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....

Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:Good luck to you!! I'm pulling for ya!!

DocBar
05-29-2014, 11:31 PM
Are we sure we want our offense resembling a bunch of cars driving around in circles?Hopefully the NFL is a road course and the Texans aren't stuck in a left hand turn for 16 games. :texflag:

DocBar
05-29-2014, 11:34 PM
So when BO'B says the Texans are working their tails off, is different than when Kubiak said that or do the Texans still suck? :thinking:

leebigeztx
05-30-2014, 01:45 AM
WR routes don't change. No matter,andre can run every route at every route with his eyes closed. With a pop gun armed qb like fitz,nascar will be more like go-cart anyway.

DocBar
05-30-2014, 02:04 AM
WR routes don't change. No matter,andre can run every route at every route with his eyes closed. With a pop gun armed qb like fitz,nascar will be more like go-cart anyway.What?? WR routes don't change??? How do you figure? A post is a post is a post, but it might be called a Godzilla, maggot, hippo.

sandman
05-30-2014, 05:59 AM
So when BO'B says the Texans are working their tails off, is different than when Kubiak said that or do the Texans still suck? :thinking:

BO'B doesn't call them kids... :kitten:

kingtexan
05-30-2014, 08:57 AM
WR routes don't change. No matter,andre can run every route at every route with his eyes closed. With a pop gun armed qb like fitz,nascar will be more like go-cart anyway.

Terminology changes, reads change, cadence is now different, timing with (insert starting QB here) will not be there, etc, etc ...

Marshall
05-30-2014, 09:10 AM
If I were AJ, I'd be very unhappy with this organization as well. When you are a superstar nearing the end of your career, you don't want to just waste your last few years helping a team start over. He's already helped this team go from the very beginning to 12-4 and 2 playoff wins, only to see it's QB fall apart and go away. He's not thinking about money; he's thinking about the Hall of Fame and Superbowl ring(s).

At this point, I'd be up for a trade, if we can get something worth it. If he wants a trade, he's earned it. He's earned whatever he wants and however he wants to deal with the situation.

We simply aren't as bad as it looked last year and not quite as good as we looked the first part of 2012. This could be a very surprising year for us.

I suspect it's just the age showing as recovery during the off season seems to take longer and longer. You begin to wonder whether it's worth the pain, but you have to point elsewhere or be thought of as a wimp.

kingtexan
05-30-2014, 09:13 AM
We simply aren't as bad as it looked last year and not quite as good as we looked the first part of 2012. This could be a very surprising year for us.

Agree 100%. In fact, if not for Matt Schaub I believe we would have still made the playoffs last year. I think his horrible play not only cost us games, but cost the entire organization morale, and they literally gave up.

Marshall
05-30-2014, 09:14 AM
WELL i just got called for an interview tomorrow, the job pays MAJOR $$$$ so i am feeling quite giddy. Yeah you guys are probably right....

Hugs and rainbow Hershey kisses for everybody :heart:

I hope things work out well for you.

houstonspartan
05-30-2014, 10:56 AM
Agree 100%. In fact, if not for Matt Schaub I believe we would have still made the playoffs last year. I think his horrible play not only cost us games, but cost the entire organization morale, and they literally gave up.


True. But, our head coach didn't help matters...

kingtexan
05-30-2014, 11:05 AM
True. But, our head coach didn't help matters...

Cant argue there.

datchapin
05-30-2014, 11:21 AM
I agree he can voice his opinion, but to not show up for your TEAM is childish. I understand and sympathize with him, but he signed that LARGE contract that will make him rich the next few seasons, but to whine publicly and not show up for workouts is foolish. He signed a contract that has us by the balls. We cannot cut or trade him without MAJOR ramifications against our cap. He is stuck here. Get to OTAs and get to work. Love ya bro, but its time to man up and finish what you started.

I hate my job, but I still show up every day to work for the man....welcome to life Dre.

I imagine you show up for the mandatory parts of your job. If they say we have extra hours available if you want to volunteer your time would you show up for those? Imagine you don't need the money. Would you still show up?

To say he whined publicly is a misconception he said a few things in private and when the media caught wind of it they hounded him to make this the story that it is.

MistaRed
05-30-2014, 11:23 AM
To prep for what the new offense will look like, the Texans quarterbacks are studying film of the Patriots' offense during O'Brien's stint.

"Obviously watch a lot of Patriots film and seeing how they do it," T.J. Yates said, per CSN Houston. "We're trying to mimic them right now."

False Start
05-30-2014, 11:24 AM
I'll tell you what they don't scream:

http://i.imgur.com/d7vWN.gif

He rollin, they hatin.

datchapin
05-30-2014, 11:32 AM
I really like this concept because it leads me to believe we will have an efficient 2 minute drill. That's like a shiny new toy we haven't had. I can't wait to see it in action.

I hope the players can pick everything up and that BoB doesn't have to scale back to implement the system effectively. In the past it was always the defense that had to get more simple so I'm confident our offensive unit is up to the task.

Double Barrel
05-30-2014, 01:16 PM
I agree he can voice his opinion, but to not show up for your TEAM is childish. I understand and sympathize with him, but he signed that LARGE contract that will make him rich the next few seasons, but to whine publicly and not show up for workouts is foolish. He signed a contract that has us by the balls. We cannot cut or trade him without MAJOR ramifications against our cap. He is stuck here. Get to OTAs and get to work. Love ya bro, but its time to man up and finish what you started.

I hate my job, but I still show up every day to work for the man....welcome to life Dre.

Are you really comparing your position at a mundane day job to that of a professional, world class athlete?

If you really "love ya bro", then you'd quit pulling assumptions out yer butt and wait until all of this plays out before throwing the dude under the bus.

You whining about a perceived whine is just bizarre.

NCTexan
05-30-2014, 04:38 PM
I imagine you show up for the mandatory parts of your job. If they say we have extra hours available if you want to volunteer your time would you show up for those? Imagine you don't need the money. Would you still show up?


Not even that you don't need it. Just imagine that these extra hours don't pay. Cause that's essentially what this is.

thunderkyss
05-30-2014, 06:39 PM
I imagine you show up for the mandatory parts of your job.

Agreed. OTAs are like going to office functions; Christmas party, softball games, team building activities, etc...

Not a job requirement.


AAMoF, I thought Andre didn't work with the team during OTAs before Kubiak got here, that he preferred to working out at the U. I thought he bought into the team concept because he bought into what Kubiak was doing & because he believed in Schaub.

Playoffs
05-30-2014, 07:19 PM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2014/05-May/tempDSC_8387--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Hixon on young #Texans adjusting to new system: "The rookies, they can’t swim right now."

Somewhere between #Patriots, Penn State, Godsey and Georgia Tech is #Texans' new offense, Hixon said.

Hixon said #Texans are running some of Penn State's offense under BO'B, with adjustments from Godsey, new adds and adaptation to NFL.

#Texans WR coach Stan Hixon, who was at Penn State and worked with BO'B since '95, on offense: "Quarterback-friendly. He runs the show."

76Texan
05-30-2014, 07:22 PM
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2014/05-May/tempDSC_8381--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26

It will be wild if he runs some Yellow Jackets' triple option.

hookinreds
05-30-2014, 07:51 PM
It will be wild if he runs some Yellow Jackets' triple option.

That's what the 4 QBs will be kept for...so we can run the triple option. Next man up! Ha!

thunderkyss
05-30-2014, 09:32 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26Somewhere between #Patriots, Penn State, Godsey and Georgia Tech is #Texans' new offense, Hixon said.

When people bring up the failed Belichick coaching tree, this is what I think about. He's not "all Belichick" He had a totally different coaching history than Bill did. Heck he was only with the Patriots for five of his 21 years of coaching. I think people put too much focus on the Patriot years.

CloakNNNdagger
05-30-2014, 09:38 PM
When people bring up the failed Belichick coaching tree, this is what I think about. He's not "all Belichick" He had a totally different coaching history than Bill did. Heck he was only with the Patriots for five of his 21 years of coaching. I think people put too much focus on the Patriot years.

Who else in the Belichick tree had experience as a HC of any type before becoming an NFL HC?

76Texan
05-30-2014, 10:16 PM
That's what the 4 QBs will be kept for...so we can run the triple option. Next man up! Ha!

3 TEs, 2 RBS
Run all day.
If needed just bring in guys from the street like Collins Kline. :ahhaha:

thunderkyss
05-30-2014, 11:43 PM
Who else in the Belichick tree had experience as a HC of any type before becoming an NFL HC?

None.

But Weis had two successful years at Notre Dame, then the wheels feel off.

CloakNNNdagger
05-31-2014, 08:39 AM
None.

But Weis had two successful years at Notre Dame, then the wheels feel off.

Thanks, TK. MSR.

But that means that no Belichick leaf has gone from having had college HC experience prior to becoming an NFL HC, correct?

Playoffs
05-31-2014, 10:08 AM
Thanks, TK. MSR.

But that means that no Belichick leaf has gone from having...

We don't use that term (http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/billingsgazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/d5/7d53e7b7-4f73-52b1-a7a6-ae833adbab3c/50f89884e8ba7.preview-620.jpg) anymore in the NFL. :mcnugget:

:fingergun:

ObsiWan
05-31-2014, 11:40 AM
For all I know, Andre sitting out could be just the thing this soft team needs.
Word!!
:koolaid:

dc_txtech
05-31-2014, 11:51 AM
Agreed. OTAs are like going to office functions; Christmas party, softball games, team building activities, etc...

Not a job requirement.


AAMoF, I thought Andre didn't work with the team during OTAs before Kubiak got here, that he preferred to working out at the U. I thought he bought into the team concept because he bought into what Kubiak was doing & because he believed in Schaub.

Glad somebody finally brought this up. I don't remember AJ ever going to OTA's, all the Miami guys meet up and go through their own routine at the U.

Am I taking crazy pills? Because I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

drs23
05-31-2014, 02:18 PM
Glad somebody finally brought this up. I don't remember AJ ever going to OTA's, all the Miami guys meet up and go through their own routine at the U.

Am I taking crazy pills? Because I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

Hmmmm:thinking:

Didn't he sit out the first few days the year he had his little 'contract squabble' thing, or was that mini camp?

The only one I can remember being a 'no show' last year was that linebacker who was remodeling his house. Can't remember his name. Mays maybe?

steelbtexan
05-31-2014, 03:36 PM
Hmmmm:thinking:

Didn't he sit out the first few days the year he had his little 'contract squabble' thing, or was that mini camp?

The only one I can remember being a 'no show' last year was that linebacker who was remodeling his house. Can't remember his name. Mays maybe?

Dobbins

Texecutioner
05-31-2014, 03:52 PM
A whole lot less worried about AJ "catching up" vs. worrying about the other young WR picking the system up first.

The "childish BS" is honestly one of the only ways players can show their displeasure. We've been spoiled in Houston by a severe drought of holdouts. With most other teams, a guy missing OTAs is a *yawn* inducing affair.

I'm really not worried at all about AJ. I'm worried about the other young WR's as well. That is who I'm concerned with. AJ will be back in no time, because trading him simply isn't in the cards. AJ and the Texans waited to long to try and make that kind of a deal work.

AJ will come back and be just fine. He just needs to grasp mentally that he is going to have to get ready to likely be on another average team and won't be competing for a SB. But once he's back, I have zero doubts about his commitment and work ethic to help the team.

drs23
05-31-2014, 04:06 PM
Dobbins

Yes, thank you. I guess my memory ain't what it used to be. :rake:

amazing80
05-31-2014, 09:50 PM
Are you really comparing your position at a mundane day job to that of a professional, world class athlete?

If you really "love ya bro", then you'd quit pulling assumptions out yer butt and wait until all of this plays out before throwing the dude under the bus.

You whining about a perceived whine is just bizarre.

First just because he is a great athlete, that doesn't negate the fact he is an EMPLOYEE of our TEAM and as much as he is my favorite player, my love for the TEXANS run deeper than my love for Andre. Its bad business to sign a LARGE contract then not show up for workouts with the team. JUST MY OPINION.


Second, its not an assumption when he already didn't show up. Im not assuming he won't be back for training camp or anything, but to me OTAs are important with new qbs and your star wide out. He made this story bigger than it needed to be by not showing up for the team. Not me, not the media, not the coach. Andre did this to himself.

And Im not whining, Im saying I think he is being foolish by not showing up. Way to "assume" how I felt.

mussop
05-31-2014, 09:56 PM
First just because he is a great athlete, that doesn't negate the fact he is an EMPLOYEE of our TEAM and as much as he is my favorite player, my love for the TEXANS run deeper than my love for Andre. Its bad business to sign a LARGE contract then not show up for workouts with the team. JUST MY OPINION.

So what is your opinion of a team that cuts a guy with a contract?

amazing80
05-31-2014, 10:20 PM
So what is your opinion of a team that cuts a guy with a contract?

It means it was for the better of the team because the guy either didn't live up to his contract, or the contract was a bad one and we needed money, either way it is almost always done to BETTER the TEAM.

Its a business, but Im for the side of the business that improves the over all team, and what Andre is doing, isn't helping our team. If anything it is setting our offense back. Savage and Fitz will have no timing down with Dre and Case and TJ barely have timing down with Dre. He should be there learning the offense and getting his timing down.

thunderkyss
05-31-2014, 11:16 PM
Its bad business to sign a LARGE contract then not show up for workouts with the team.

Second, its not an assumption when he already didn't show up. Im not assuming he won't be back for training camp or anything, but to me OTAs are important with new qbs and your star wide out.

All voluntary. He's not obligated by that LARGE contract to attend these workouts. AAMoF, someone mentioned that there's an incentive in his contract to get him to be there. He's exercising his option not to be there.

EllisUnit
06-01-2014, 09:33 AM
All voluntary. He's not obligated by that LARGE contract to attend these workouts. AAMoF, someone mentioned that there's an incentive in his contract to get him to be there. He's exercising his option not to be there.

At this point when he comes back i would sit him on the bench, he already makes more money than everyone on this board times 100 i'm sure. His incentive should be the millions and millions he makes all year.

How many here would love to make that kind of money and then on top of all that get a 5 moth vacation every year. What a hard hard life these poor guys have.

amazing80
06-01-2014, 09:38 AM
All voluntary. He's not obligated by that LARGE contract to attend these workouts. AAMoF, someone mentioned that there's an incentive in his contract to get him to be there. He's exercising his option not to be there.

Well then why is he complaining when he isn't doing everything he can to help the team. The past failures do not determine the future. So as much as it is a rebuild, we have seen numerous teams rebuild and turn around and win super bowls in modern football. It didn't take the Seahawks that long.

thunderkyss
06-01-2014, 10:18 AM
Well then why is he complaining when he isn't doing everything he can to help the team.

That's where I think a big disconnect is. Andre isn't complaining. He's trying to figure out what he wants to do with the rest of his life. Retirement is probably just as much an option as being traded. I can imagine that weighing more on his mind than if he wanted to go to another team. Texans are going to have to account for the remaining dead money on his contract this season & he's considering if he wants to hurt the team that way, or come out & play.

Just like the guy you loved for the last 11 years, he doesn't want to come out here & half ass it.

Think of this as Andre's impersonation of Brett Favre.

EllisUnit
06-01-2014, 10:31 AM
That's where I think a big disconnect is. Andre isn't complaining. He's trying to figure out what he wants to do with the rest of his life. Retirement is probably just as much an option as being traded. I can imagine that weighing more on his mind than if he wanted to go to another team. Texans are going to have to account for the remaining dead money on his contract this season & he's considering if he wants to hurt the team that way, or come out & play.

Just like the guy you loved for the last 11 years, he doesn't want to come out here & half ass it.

Think of this as Andre's impersonation of Brett Favre.

Oh god i hope not...

Texecutioner
06-01-2014, 11:26 AM
At this point when he comes back i would sit him on the bench, he already makes more money than everyone on this board times 100 i'm sure. His incentive should be the millions and millions he makes all year.

How many here would love to make that kind of money and then on top of all that get a 5 moth vacation every year. What a hard hard life these poor guys have.

I'm usually on your side of the debate on this subject, but not on Mr. Andre Johnson.

He has fully earned his right to discover what he wants to do. The guy has been on a terrible franchise his entire career that was an expansion team. He never really complained ever going through the Carr years and then the Kubiak debacles that happened every year. The guy has been through two 2-14 teams that have to be rebuilt. At this point in his career, I'd say he has been loyal to a fault. At his age, he deserves to play for a team that has a chance to contend for a SB or go into the post season potentially. He doesn't deserve to be on another rebuilding team. Unfortunately, he was really stupid about his pursuit to find a new team by waiting all off season to start expressing how he wanted out. He should have demanded this right before the trades and off season moves were going to be allowed when teams had money to use and assets to trade and all sorts of ambitious tactics to improve their rosters. AJ waited until this was all done and most teams were high on the cap.

Aj just needs to come to grips with the reality of this. He will. It's just going to take him some time to pout it off in his mind and accept it. Once he does, he'll come back strong, fully committed, and he'll be just fine.

I understand your point, but AJ is not the guy to be driving this point home with. He is the threshold that you'd typically measure all potential NFL players up to be.

EllisUnit
06-01-2014, 11:39 AM
I'm usually on your side of the debate on this subject, but not on Mr. Andre Johnson.

He has fully earned his right to discover what he wants to do. The guy has been on a terrible franchise his entire career that was an expansion team. He never really complained ever going through the Carr years and then the Kubiak debacles that happened every year. The guy has been through two 2-14 teams that have to be rebuilt. At this point in his career, I'd say he has been loyal to a fault. At his age, he deserves to play for a team that has a chance to contend for a SB or go into the post season potentially. He doesn't deserve to be on another rebuilding team. Unfortunately, he was really stupid about his pursuit to find a new team by waiting all off season to start expressing how he wanted out. He should have demanded this right before the trades and off season moves were going to be allowed when teams had money to use and assets to trade and all sorts of ambitious tactics to improve their rosters. AJ waited until this was all done and most teams were high on the cap.

Aj just needs to come to grips with the reality of this. He will. It's just going to take him some time to pout it off in his mind and accept it. Once he does, he'll come back strong, fully committed, and he'll be just fine.

I understand your point, but AJ is not the guy to be driving this point home with. He is the threshold that you'd typically measure all potential NFL players up to be.

My point is a contract is a contract signed by both sides. If he was demanding a trade or new contract i could understand him not attending but he has demanded nothing. OTAs in all honesty are no big deal but if training camp comes and he dont show up that is a different animal.

My only problem is that our team is learning a new system, and one of our biggest offensive weapons is not there learning it with the rest of our guys.

Texecutioner
06-01-2014, 12:30 PM
My point is a contract is a contract signed by both sides. If he was demanding a trade or new contract i could understand him not attending but he has demanded nothing. OTAs in all honesty are no big deal but if training camp comes and he dont show up that is a different animal.

My only problem is that our team is learning a new system, and one of our biggest offensive weapons is not there learning it with the rest of our guys.

He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it's going to be a big deal at all. AJ has shown year after year that he can grasp new things and get better at his position. He does practically everything well. I fully expect him and O'Brien to get on the same page very shortly once AJ figures out that he isn't going anywhere and he's just going to have to suck it up for another season on an average team where he won't be in any post season run. Most likely any way.

houstonspartan
06-01-2014, 12:54 PM
I'm usually on your side of the debate on this subject, but not on Mr. Andre Johnson.



He has fully earned his right to discover what he wants to do. The guy has been on a terrible franchise his entire career that was an expansion team. He never really complained ever going through the Carr years and then the Kubiak debacles that happened every year. The guy has been through two 2-14 teams that have to be rebuilt. At this point in his career, I'd say he has been loyal to a fault. At his age, he deserves to play for a team that has a chance to contend for a SB or go into the post season potentially. He doesn't deserve to be on another rebuilding team. Unfortunately, he was really stupid about his pursuit to find a new team by waiting all off season to start expressing how he wanted out. He should have demanded this right before the trades and off season moves were going to be allowed when teams had money to use and assets to trade and all sorts of ambitious tactics to improve their rosters. AJ waited until this was all done and most teams were high on the cap.



Aj just needs to come to grips with the reality of this. He will. It's just going to take him some time to pout it off in his mind and accept it. Once he does, he'll come back strong, fully committed, and he'll be just fine.



I understand your point, but AJ is not the guy to be driving this point home with. He is the threshold that you'd typically measure all potential NFL players up to be.


Agree with this. I was wondering why Andre wasn't pushing back against the Kubiak regime (which destroyed this franchise) during the middle of the season.

EllisUnit
06-01-2014, 01:15 PM
He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it's going to be a big deal at all. AJ has shown year after year that he can grasp new things and get better at his position. He does practically everything well. I fully expect him and O'Brien to get on the same page very shortly once AJ figures out that he isn't going anywhere and he's just going to have to suck it up for another season on an average team where he won't be in any post season run. Most likely any way.

He has not demanded a trade.

kingtexan
06-01-2014, 04:55 PM
He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding that they trade him to a team that can contend for a post season appearance where he might be a able to make a playoff run with them. As lame as his trade demand is at this time, there is a demand that exists.

No there isn't. He has not asked for a trade. Not that has been reported at least.

He is just a whining baby right now. I could care less if he comes back or not at this point.

The real players are out there on the field ...

Texecutioner
06-01-2014, 05:36 PM
No there isn't. He has not asked for a trade. Not that has been reported at least.

He is just a whining baby right now. I could care less if he comes back or not at this point.

The real players are out there on the field ...

Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.

EllisUnit
06-01-2014, 05:39 PM
Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.

Everyone has wants, that dont mean we quit doing what we are doing now to pursue them, well actually i guess a lot of people do (Key to why divorce rate is so high). But he has not demanded a trade, if he really wants one he will talk to his agent about it and go from there. Although he most likely knows a trade with his contract #s would be nearly impossible.

drs23
06-01-2014, 07:12 PM
He isn't demanding nothing. He is demanding

So, I've got to read between lines that aren't even there to attempt to determine what you're saying here?

OK, first very poorly structured sentence: the use of the double negatives is code for the very first line of your second sentence which states: "He is demanding"

Secondly, all pure speculation on your part.

AJ's demanded nothing.

Brandon420tx
06-01-2014, 07:31 PM
I have yet to see any quote of AJ complaining/demanding anything. Just a whole lot of speculation from "sources" and posters.

Playoffs
06-01-2014, 08:23 PM
AJ on AJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY7x2bSf2SA

Texecutioner
06-02-2014, 12:01 AM
So, I've got to read between lines that aren't even there to attempt to determine what you're saying here?

OK, first very poorly structured sentence: the use of the double negatives is code for the very first line of your second sentence which states: "He is demanding"

Secondly, all pure speculation on your part.

AJ's demanded nothing.

What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.

EllisUnit
06-02-2014, 12:41 AM
What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.

ACTUALLY what he said was that he is not SURE this is where he wants to be :kitten:

leebigeztx
06-02-2014, 01:22 AM
I guess voluntary has changed in the dictionary.

Double Barrel
06-02-2014, 01:38 PM
And Im not whining,

Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.

drs23
06-02-2014, 01:41 PM
What does he have to do stamp it across your forehead for you to understand that he wants to be on another team? Is this denial that some of you have that deep? If he was into this thing, he would be there. He has publicly made it clear he isn't into this thing, but has said nothing about wanting to retire. He doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team which likely means he wants to play for a team that has a real shot doing something big around post season time. He has made it clear that he wants to be somewhere else not only by his words, but by his actions. But hey, keep tipi toeing around the obvious all you want and use punctuation corrections to distract the point, but he wants out of here. Unfortunately for him, it's not going to happen.

No, I don't need a forehead stamp. It's just that I'm not one to state my assumptions and/or speculations as FACT. That's exactly what you've done here, amongst other topics as well. Seems to be your MO.

I'm going to go with what the man ACTUALLY SAID which EllisUnit posted for you verbatim.

kingtexan
06-02-2014, 03:16 PM
Yes, he did say that he'd like to be part of a team that wasn't in a rebuilding mode. He made that clear when he said that he didn't want to be part of another rebuilding acquisition. What does he have to be quoted in headlines stating "AJ demands trade" for you guys to understand that is what he really wants which is to play for a contending team at this juncture of his career?

AJ is anything but a baby. Dude has been one of the hardest working receivers in the NFL for over 10 years and this is how you repay him as a fan which is to bash him and want him gone the minute that he expresses how he really feels and acts on it.

He has not asked for a trade as far as anyone knows ... including you. You arent in his head. You aren't in closed door meetings with Smith or BoB. You do not know for sure that he wants, or has asked for a trade. What we all know is that ... 1) He said he is tired of rebuilding, and ... 2) He isn't participating with the team.

I am fine with him not wanting to rebuild. I am fine with him wanting a trade, if that is what he wants. What I am not ok with is him just not showing up. Ask for a trade ... retire ... or get your ass on the field.

Brandon420tx
06-02-2014, 03:19 PM
Sp how about those left turns?

amazing80
06-02-2014, 05:55 PM
Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.

"Now I'm on my third head coach, that's something I give thought to," Johnson said. "I just look over my career, is it a place? I've only been to the playoffs twice. I think we've only had three winning seasons, two 8-8 seasons. I don't think any player wants to experience that.

"... You go through a rebuilding process, some people say it's not rebuilding, some people say it's a quick fix. Everybody has their own opinion. But I've been through this more than once. When I make my decision, I'll make my decision."

Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.

EllisUnit
06-02-2014, 08:09 PM
Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.

I fully agree.

mussop
06-02-2014, 10:42 PM
Neither is AJ.

Yet, you said "but to whine publicly" about the guy.

Your perception is that he is whining.

My perception is that you are whining.

Some of y'all are getting too emotional about an entertainment medium. That's all this is to any of us, regardless of how many Texans logos you plaster on your stuff.

For AJ, this is real life. This is his profession. This is his job.

That some of y'all seem unable to be emotionally disconnected from another man's job decisions is just bizarre to me. Like you need to check yourself kind of bizarre.

Well said. I couldn't agree more. MSR!

Marcus
06-03-2014, 05:07 AM
I might be guilty making assumptions about AJ myself. No, he has not 'demanded' a trade, or anything else. And yes, he has contract, and he should up to that contract.

That said, all of us know by now that AJ doesn't mouth off half-cocked to the press. But he's been around this league long enough to know that if he does talk publicly, people will listen.

Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 06:01 AM
Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.

Well put me in the complete moron camp.

I know his heart isn't in it. That's why he isn't in camp. He's asking himself if he's got another season in himself, if he can go through this again. He didn't say, but I'm sure he's considered whether or not going to another team would help him get to the point mentally to play another season.

This is a young man's game & Andre isn't a young man anymore, relatively speaking. He's relatively healthy & would probably like to stay that way.

But if he does show up in a Texans uniform next season, because of the guy I think I know, I have no doubt that he will give us 100% effort to win every game, every snap. Because that's who he is.

This time last season, Tony Gonzales had made up his mind, that he didn't have another season in him, but his team mates convinced him to give it one more go. & they went 3-13.

It's not that uncommon.

Marshall
06-03-2014, 06:41 AM
I might be guilty making assumptions about AJ myself. No, he has not 'demanded' a trade, or anything else. And yes, he has contract, and he should up to that contract.

That said, all of us know by now that AJ doesn't mouth off half-cocked to the press. But he's been around this league long enough to know that if he does talk publicly, people will listen.

Though, he has not actually come right out and said it, you'd have to have the perception of a complete moron to not understand that he no longer has his heart in it. Whether they can work out a trade for him or not, all I know is, that based upon his statements.....

...... is that if I see him on the field this season in a Texans uniform, he'll be just going thru the motions. Now, some might think that will be good enough, but I don't.

Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.

sandman
06-03-2014, 06:57 AM
Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically.

Understanding NFL players - especially RB's - age in dog years, he is only 32 and coming of two of the most productive seasons of his entire career. 221 receptions and 3,000 yards.

IMHO, this has nothing to do with him not physically being able to go. There is nothing that says he can't duplicate those stats again this year. It's not about him wanting to play, his desire or his character. He is a competitor and knows he is one solid season away from being Top 5 All Time among receivers.

It's about the risk of doing that and not having any chance to get to a SB. Rarely does a no-brainer HoFer in any sport, that spent most of his career on poor, average or never-good-enough teams, NOT try to go to a contender in the later stages of their career to put the crowning team victory on their individual accomplishments. (see: Drexler, Clyde)

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 07:57 AM
It's about the risk of doing that and not having any chance to get to a SB. Rarely does a no-brainer HoFer in any sport, that spent most of his career on poor, average or never-good-enough teams, NOT try to go to a contender in the later stages of their career to put the crowning team victory on their individual accomplishments. (see: Drexler, Clyde)

If this were the NBA, I'd agree with you. I can't think of a time when an NFL player has jumped teams looking for a ring & getting one. Too much parity in the league & the season is way too short.

PapaL
06-03-2014, 08:23 AM
If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

#14 Career Receptions with 927; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm)
#17 Career Receiving Yards 12,661; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
#68 Career Receiving Touchdowns 61; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm)

sandman
06-03-2014, 08:51 AM
If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

#14 Career Receptions with 927; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm)
#17 Career Receiving Yards 12,661; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
#68 Career Receiving Touchdowns 61; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm)

So if we want to look at compilation and not years played, here is what you have

55 receptions from passing #10 Randy Moss
97 receptions from passing #7 Isaac Bruce

1,116 yards from passing #10 Henry Ellard
1,343 yards from passing #8 James Lofton

97/1343 is a pretty significant decreased from his performance the last two years. Would you agree that one more "average" season puts his Hall status above question?

That being said, AJ has played 11 seasons. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ahead of him on the All-Time list played at LEAST 13 seasons, with several playing 15 seasons.

Andre owns or shares the NFL record for 100 reception seasons, 1500 yard seasons, 10/100 games and a few others. He was the 6th fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 10K yards. He was the 2nd fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 900 receptions.

As far as TD's go, that is more system than it is AJ. But that being said, 5 more TD's in his career and he passes SIX receivers who are all in the HoF.

There is nothing about AJ's individual performances that state he would not be a viable Hall candidate right now today.

infantrycak
06-03-2014, 09:37 AM
If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

#14 Career Receptions with 927; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm)
#17 Career Receiving Yards 12,661; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
#68 Career Receiving Touchdowns 61; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm)

There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

Edit, or I should say here - Link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89652&highlight=aj+hall+fame)

sandman
06-03-2014, 10:32 AM
There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

Edit, or I should say here - Link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89652&highlight=aj+hall+fame)

Why can't every thread be about Case and/or AJ? :kitten:

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 10:38 AM
Why can't every thread be about Case and/or AJ? :kitten:

We gotta talk about Johnny somewhere.

PapaL
06-03-2014, 10:56 AM
So if we want to look at compilation and not years played, here is what you have

55 receptions from passing #10 Randy Moss
97 receptions from passing #7 Isaac Bruce

1,116 yards from passing #10 Henry Ellard
1,343 yards from passing #8 James Lofton

97/1343 is a pretty significant decreased from his performance the last two years. Would you agree that one more "average" season puts his Hall status above question?

That being said, AJ has played 11 seasons. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ahead of him on the All-Time list played at LEAST 13 seasons, with several playing 15 seasons.

Andre owns or shares the NFL record for 100 reception seasons, 1500 yard seasons, 10/100 games and a few others. He was the 6th fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 10K yards. He was the 2nd fastest receiver in the history of the NFL to reach 900 receptions.

As far as TD's go, that is more system than it is AJ. But that being said, 5 more TD's in his career and he passes SIX receivers who are all in the HoF.

There is nothing about AJ's individual performances that state he would not be a viable Hall candidate right now today.

You can't compare his numbers in a passing era to guys in a run dominated era.

Every player is a canidate for the HOF. AJ's line number is currently behind a lot of other guys is all I'm saying. Not a automatic in since we have no HOF'ers.

There is a whole thread dedicated to AJ HoF discussion. Please take that discussion there.

Edit, or I should say here - Link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89652&highlight=aj+hall+fame)

And this entire thread has been off subject since page 1. AJ' and his no show to OTA' show has been the de facto topic and not " "Nascar": Bill O'Brien's no huddle offense Reply to Thread". Maybe all those convos should be moved too?

infantrycak
06-03-2014, 10:58 AM
I asked politely - once.

The Pencil Neck
06-03-2014, 11:12 AM
Well put me in the complete moron camp.

Who the heck let you OUT of the complete moron camp to begin with?

:kubepalm:







:kitten:

Double Barrel
06-03-2014, 11:38 AM
Sorry dude, but thats whining. Boohoo, you made millions while being a teams first HOF and yet you're "unsure" if you want to stay here? Im grateful for the hard work you put in, but thats your job. You get paid to perform to your best and thats what you have done. Congratulations for not sucking?

This is becoming something more than it probably had to be. Im not trying to lay it on Dre, but I do think he should be at OTAs. Thats all.

Hey, man, you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, and the rest of us are free to agree or disagree.

That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.

Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.

Well said, man. I do not understand the inability by some fans to cut AJ some slack after his 11 years of dedication to this franchise.

If AJ retires right now, he is NOT a HOF. As much as I like they guy and want him to be the first Texan in the HOF, his #'s as they stand are not HOF worthy.

#14 Career Receptions with 927; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm)
#17 Career Receiving Yards 12,661; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm)
#68 Career Receiving Touchdowns 61; LINK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm)

I agree. And I kinda' figure this was AJ's point. He's burned out. He spent a potential HoF career and his elite talent with a franchise that cannot find its way. I don't fault the guy for not being sure if he wants to keep doing it or not. He could retire today in decent health and a multimillionaire. I would not blame him if he did. Barry Sanders seems at peace with himself.

ObsiWan
06-03-2014, 11:49 AM
Having been his age, he is simply tired both mentally and physically. It makes one pause and evaluate where you are at. It is not a request for a trade, but a reevaluation of priorities in a search for a reinvigorated commitment to your pursuits. Don't make more out of it than there is. It's common, not prima dona behavior.

The competitor in him wants to keep on going. He wants to win.
Meanwhile, his logic center is telling him...
"Here we go again, starting over. The last time it took 5-6 years just to be competitive - just to make it to two lousy playoff games. Then it all went to crap in a heartbeat. Do I have that left in me?"

It's a legitimate question at this point in his career.

TK's Tony Gonzalez comparison is spot on. He gave his all for KC for twelve seasons and in 2008, when it looked like KC wasn't going anywhere (they also finished 2-14 that season), he asked to be traded to a contender.

AJ is at the same sort of crossroads. Except he hasn't asked to be traded.
It's not whining.
It's crossroads decision time.
And its not a decision to be made lightly or in a hurry.

Marcus
06-03-2014, 12:13 PM
That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.

Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.

Marcus
06-03-2014, 12:19 PM
Except he hasn't asked to be traded.

You're right, he hasn't . . . . . . . . . . . publicly. :lightbulb:

EllisUnit
06-03-2014, 12:22 PM
Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.

With his luck we trade him off and win the superbowl next year.

And if they were actively seeking someone to trade with then we would of heard something, News like that cant be kept a secret no matter how hard they try.

Double Barrel
06-03-2014, 12:40 PM
Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.

Whether his heart is not in it, whether he's burnt out, whether he's just fed up, it doesn't matter. Perception is everything. And if he does come back, whether he just stands on the sidelines the whole time, or he's out on the field playing, there will be the perception with the fans and the media that he just doesn't really want to be here. Period.

For a player of his caliber, that is a condition that's contagious.

Well said, back at ya'. :)

I think you nailed it. You are not assuming things "between the lines" of his comments. You are analyzing his statements and coming to a logical conclusion.

Like you said, his heart does not appear to be in it right now. That can change and he comes back. Or, he can feel the same but fulfill his obligations under contract and just go through the motions.

I think it is reasonable to speculate that the FO has reached out to some teams to see what is possible. Unfortunately for everyone, AJ's current contract is not trade friendly without penalizing the team.

I think ultimately he either retires or comes back to the Texans, depending on what's in his heart and his willingness to start over from square 1 with a new head coach. Based on what we know about AJ in 11 years, I just don't get the feeling that he's going to half-ass it to get paid.

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 06:59 PM
Well said. Perfectly said.

I might end up being wrong, but I think the front office is doing everything it possibly can to get AJ the hell out of here, despite the difficulty of the numbers.


Shouldn't be difficult at all. We can cover the dead money... it's a net gain to trade him this season. It's now after June 1st which should make it even easier.

There is no more guaranteed money on his current deal. A sign & trade, or an agreement to redo his contract should be relatively easy to work out if he in fact wants to go to a contender.

The fact that he hasn't been traded, leads me to believe he truly hasn't asked to be traded.

amazing80
06-03-2014, 08:24 PM
Hey, man, you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, and the rest of us are free to agree or disagree.

That said, your thoughts appear to me to be the type fan that Tate was talking about last season.

No disrespect intended, but this is how your attitude comes across to many of us.



Well said, man. I do not understand the inability by some fans to cut AJ some slack after his 11 years of dedication to this franchise.



I agree. And I kinda' figure this was AJ's point. He's burned out. He spent a potential HoF career and his elite talent with a franchise that cannot find its way. I don't fault the guy for not being sure if he wants to keep doing it or not. He could retire today in decent health and a multimillionaire. I would not blame him if he did. Barry Sanders seems at peace with himself.

So let me get this straight. Im upset that our star wideout who gets paid a lot of money, therefore is un-tradeable is not attending OTAs to help our team improve and IM THE wishy washy one?

I don't know how logic works in your world, but in mine, that makes no sense. I care about the TEAM, while others here (you included) care more about an aging over paid wide out who is on the back side of his HOF career. He is my favorite player of all time (hence the damn screen name) and yet at the end of the day, he is choosing to let the team down by staying away. If this was J-Jo or Arian Foster I bet you would all sing a different tune, but because its AJ you all ignore the fact he is damaging this teams improvement.

Sometimes people think with their hearts and I fully think thats what you are doing. There is NOTHING in the world that excuses our star to miss time with the team because he is upset we're "rebuilding". Grab your cleats and lace up son.

thunderkyss
06-03-2014, 09:11 PM
I don't know how logic works in your world, but in mine, that makes no sense. I care about the TEAM, while others here (you included) care more about an aging over paid wide out who is on the back side of his HOF career.



As someone who also appreciates everything Andre has done for this team I also feel like he is a big part of this team & being honest about where he is right now is best for the team.

Out of respect for the man, I won't speculate on anything he has not said. Nor will I denigrate his service by calling him an "over paid wide out who is on the back side of his HOF career" as much as that may reflect his current situation, it comes across ugly. Much uglier than it needs to.

Instead, I try to see the positive. Would it be great if Andre were suited up & going at it with the team, like Meyers or Brown? Sure. Right now, everyone else on this team "has" to be there, because they truly have no where else to go. Andre has options. He can retire, or he can demand to be traded. However you feel about Andre's option to demand to be traded, it's real, it's there, & he can do it.

If Andre decides he wants to retire, or be traded, then that will be detrimental to the team. A huge blow in my mind. But something to rally about. Something the coach can use to motivate the team. Because it's not just about him, it's about every one of those guys on the field, every one in the organization top to bottom.

If Andre decides he wants to be a Texans, then it will be a huge lift, something to rally around. It will be something the players can use, or the coaches, or anyone in the organization from top to bottom.

Worse thing, imo, that can happen would be if Andre is "forced" to be there, or if he decides to "go through the motions"

At the end of the day, it's about people. Andre is good people. I have faith that he'll make the best decision he can & however it turns out, we'll deal with it.

No reason to vilify the man.

drs23
06-04-2014, 12:11 AM
...No reason to vilify the man.

Yep. msr

ObsiWan
06-04-2014, 05:19 AM
Yep. msr
I got him.