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IDEXAN
01-23-2014, 07:55 AM
erry Smith made football history in the 1970s when, as a player for the Washington Redskins, he caught more touchdowns than any other tight end in NFL history. But Smith is probably better known for being a closeted homosexual and succumbing to AIDS in 1986 at only 43 years old.

Tonight on the NFL Network docu-series A Football Life, the struggle and legacy of this two-time Pro Bowler comes into focus. A host of notable figures are interviewed, including former Redskins Sonny Jurgensen, Bobby Mitchell, Brig Owens, Larry Brown Billy Kilmer and Dave Kopay, who had a sexual encounter with Smith in the early 1970s.
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Noted LGBT advocate David Mixner, a friend of Smith’s who will participate in a post-show program on NFL Network says the closeted athlete had a “horrendous existence” and lived in constant fear of being outed. “He was really alone and terrified that he was gonna lose everything.”

The producers of A Football Life believe that, despite his impressive record, Smith’s sexual orientation has kept him out of consideration for the NFL Hall of Fame. Hopefully this will help change that.

http://www.newnownext.com/gay-nfl-legend-jerry-smith-subject-of-nfl-network-docuseries-a-football-life/01/2014/
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I dunno, but I'm betting Jim Rome and the rest of the left-wing LA sports media crowd make it their personal crusade to have this guy posthumously inducted into the NFL HOF.

infantrycak
01-23-2014, 08:10 AM
The personal crusade involved here is yours.

IDEXAN
01-23-2014, 08:56 AM
That's all you've got this morning, that's downright civil for you Infantrycak. C'mon now, you are so much more entertaining when you are insulting.

infantrycak
01-23-2014, 09:10 AM
That's all you've got this morning, that's downright civil for you Infantrycak. C'mon now, you are so much more entertaining when you are insulting.

Plankton is bemused by your ability to both breathe and post with a single brain cell.

Better?

steelbtexan
01-23-2014, 10:05 AM
The personal crusade involved here is yours.

Really,

Jerry Smith doesn't have the numbers to be a HOF.

To suggest that he is deserving of the HOF reeks of the PC crowd at work.

Jerry Smith was a very good/All pro type TE. Not a HOF.

I find it ironic that Smith played the TIGHT END position.

IDEXAN
01-23-2014, 10:30 AM
Plankton is bemused by your ability to both breathe and post with a single brain cell.

Better?
Aright ! Aright ! There's the ole Infantrycak that we know and love !

Hookem Horns
01-23-2014, 11:31 AM
Really,

Jerry Smith doesn't have the numbers to be a HOF.

To suggest that he is deserving of the HOF reeks of the PC crowd at work.

Jerry Smith was a very good/All pro type TE. Not a HOF.

I find it ironic that Smith played the TIGHT END position.

Really? I watched that documentary last night and they showed that several HOF tight ends have inferior numbers to his.

As a matter of fact he held the touchdown record for tight ends for 25 years or so until it was finally broken by Shannon Sharpe.

Impressive because they were playing fewer games during Smith's era and offenses were more run oriented back then. Another thing to consider is he had Billy Kilmer, Sharpe had Elway.

_King_
01-23-2014, 11:38 AM
I don't get the title of the thread. What do you mean "finally"?

Double Barrel
01-23-2014, 11:58 AM
Plankton is bemused by your ability to both breathe and post with a single brain cell.

Better?

bwahahahahahah!! That's sig-worthy right there! :lol:

Really? I watched that documentary last night and they showed that several HOF tight ends have inferior numbers to his.

As a matter of fact he held the touchdown record for tight ends for 25 years or so until it was finally broken by Shannon Sharpe.

Impressive because they were playing fewer games during Smith's era and offenses were more run oriented back then. Another thing to consider is he had Billy Kilmer, Sharpe had Elway.

Hey now, isn't it forum policy (or is that tradition?) to not let cold, hard facts get in the way of a good moral crusade?

OJ Simpson can decapitate people and not a problem to be in the HoF.

But man, if someone happens to love someone of the same sex, ERMAHGERD!!!!

infantrycak
01-23-2014, 11:59 AM
Really? I watched that documentary last night and they showed that several HOF tight ends have inferior numbers to his.

As a matter of fact he held the touchdown record for tight ends for 25 years or so until it was finally broken by Shannon Sharpe.

Impressive because they were playing fewer games during Smith's era and offenses were more run oriented back then. Another thing to consider is he had Billy Kilmer, Sharpe had Elway.

Yeah, check out the HoF TEs who largely overlapped with him:

Mike Ditka - 5812 yds, 43 TDs.
John Mackey - 5236 yds, 38 TDs.
Charlie Sanders - 4817 yds, 31 TDs.
Jackie Smith - 7918 yds, 40 TDs.

Jerry Smith - 5496 yds, 60 TDs.

Pretty hard to argue his numbers were inferior.

By the way, that era makes up half the TEs in the HoF.

kingtexan
01-24-2014, 02:16 PM
Guy gets his own A Football Life ... just because he is gay.

:vincepalm:

Wolf
01-24-2014, 04:28 PM
Wish they would do a story on Dr Doom and Why he isn't in the hall

Marshall
01-24-2014, 04:37 PM
http://www.newnownext.com/gay-nfl-legend-jerry-smith-subject-of-nfl-network-docuseries-a-football-life/01/2014/
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I dunno, but I'm betting Jim Rome and the rest of the left-wing LA sports media crowd make it their personal crusade to have this guy posthumously inducted into the NFL HOF.
...and make every team retire his jersey too... Then have every player wear it for a game so nobody knows who is playing...

Double Barrel
01-24-2014, 05:24 PM
Guy gets his own A Football Life ... just because he is gay.

:vincepalm:

Tim Tebow got his own A Football Life, too. For what??? :um:

infantrycak
01-24-2014, 05:28 PM
Tim Tebow got his own A Football Life, too. For what??? :um:

You've answered this one for people a million times - entertainment.

Usual is boring. Unusual gets noticed.

Honoring Earl 34
01-24-2014, 05:30 PM
Tim Tebow got his own A Football Life, too. For what??? :um:

Jury is still out cause he hasn't had sex .

Wait ..... if he didn't do the deed with Lucy Pinder he's gay or dead . :peek:

Double Barrel
01-24-2014, 06:02 PM
You've answered this one for people a million times - entertainment.

Usual is boring. Unusual gets noticed.

Exactly. People seem to forget the point of entertainment is to be entertained.

Do some folks have a little red button for immediate butthurt? See subject, PUSH BUTTON. Lather, rinse, repeat.

It's like the remote control does not exist in their lives and they only get one channel on the tv.

Simple concept, y'know? Don't like something on tv, change the channel. Turn it off.

But the Butthurt must be heard!! RAGE RAGE BUTTHURT RAGE RAGE!!!

Amazing that grown men could be so friggin' sensitive.

Texecutioner
01-24-2014, 06:08 PM
Really,

Jerry Smith doesn't have the numbers to be a HOF.

To suggest that he is deserving of the HOF reeks of the PC crowd at work.

Jerry Smith was a very good/All pro type TE. Not a HOF.

I find it ironic that Smith played the TIGHT END position.

I don't know a whole lot about this guy, but based on the numbers presented in this thread, I'd have to disagree with you. You add that to the fact that he played in a run oriented era with a QB that wasn't all that great, well I think there is a very strong case for this guy. I'm basing this mainly off of the information presented in this thread though.

bhsman
01-24-2014, 06:55 PM
Guy gets his own A Football Life ... just because he is gay.

:vincepalm:

Well, it sounds like he was very good at his job and he unfortunately died young due to AIDS (did he die around the same time as Freddy Mercury? Honest question here), so there's a compelling bit there. Being gay in the NFL back then (especially compared to now, though there are still quite a lot of homophobic players) provides another angle that they could talk about, plus just a chance to talk about the Redskins, who are a large fanbase.

There are a lot of reasons that they decided to do A Football Life about him, not merely that he was gay.

kingtexan
01-25-2014, 01:25 PM
Tim Tebow got his own A Football Life, too. For what??? :um:

He won a Heisman and a two national championships. That isn't bad ...

IDEXAN
01-25-2014, 05:40 PM
Once again the NFL Network produced a first-rate program in their story about Jerry Smith in a "A Football life". I was particularly impressed with Smith's friend who was one of the primary participants on the program, though his name escapes me. He knew more than anybody that it would have been a disaster for Smith to come out of the closet in those days even though some of Smiths teammates thought it would have worked. It was also interesting to learn what a tolerant and progressive type of man Vince Lombardi was though certainly having a gay brother had much to do with it.
After watching the story it would seem that Jerry Smith is certainly worthy of serious consideration into the NFL HOF, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Actually I'm half way expecting it to happen after watching this production and knowing the tremendous political clout in the Gay community today. Afterall they were able to secure the legalization of Gay marriage at the Federal level, should be a snap just getting one of their own into the NFL HOF.

TexansSeminole
01-25-2014, 06:26 PM
Once again the NFL Network produced a first-rate program in their story about Jerry Smith in a "A Football life". I was particularly impressed with Smith's friend who was one of the primary participants on the program, though his name escapes me. He knew more than anybody that it would have been a disaster for Smith to come out of the closet in those days even though some of Smiths teammates thought it would have worked. It was also interesting to learn what a tolerant and progressive type of man Vince Lombardi was though certainly having a gay brother had much to do with it.
After watching the story it would seem that Jerry Smith is certainly worthy of serious consideration into the NFL HOF, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Actually I'm half way expecting it to happen after watching this production and knowing the tremendous political clout in the Gay community today. Afterall they were able to secure the legalization of Gay marriage at the Federal level, should be a snap just getting one of their own into the NFL HOF.

Sounds like the guy should be atleast a candidate on pure numbers and production.

steelbtexan
01-26-2014, 03:45 AM
Really? I watched that documentary last night and they showed that several HOF tight ends have inferior numbers to his.

As a matter of fact he held the touchdown record for tight ends for 25 years or so until it was finally broken by Shannon Sharpe.

Impressive because they were playing fewer games during Smith's era and offenses were more run oriented back then. Another thing to consider is he had Billy Kilmer, Sharpe had Elway.

Did you actually watch Jerry Smith play?

Did his play scream HOF to you?

Not so much for me.

steelbtexan
01-26-2014, 03:47 AM
Guy gets his own A Football Life ... just because he is gay.

:vincepalm:

Dead?

Vance87
01-26-2014, 08:48 PM
The stupidest Football Life was Tebow.

This one has more merit because of the gay issue in the US. Me personally, I don't have a problem with it. By all accounts he was a pretty good player and not some journeyman guy who was out of the league in 2 years.

Hookem Horns
01-27-2014, 01:13 AM
Did you actually watch Jerry Smith play?

Did his play scream HOF to you?

Not so much for me.

Nope, he retired about a year before I really started watching which would have been Earl's rookie season.

I was just going off of numbers and the fact he held the TE TD record for 25 years.

Apparently there are a bunch of Tight Ends in the HOF with inferior numbers to his. Maybe they are in because they were better blockers. Maybe it's also because they weren't fans of Barbara Streisand and Liza Minnelli.

Marshall
01-27-2014, 07:37 AM
Nope, he retired about a year before I really started watching which would have been Earl's rookie season.

I was just going off of numbers and the fact he held the TE TD record for 25 years.

Apparently there are a bunch of Tight Ends in the HOF with inferior numbers to his. Maybe they are in because they were better blockers. Maybe it's also because they weren't fans of Barbara Streisand and Liza Minnelli.

And maybe they were all integral parts of SUPERBOWL teams. Just speculating on the reason as you are.

Hookem Horns
01-27-2014, 09:03 AM
And maybe they were all integral parts of SUPERBOWL teams. Just speculating on the reason as you are.

Yeah, even though Charlie Sanders has far less yardage and half the career TDs, it's probably the fact that he played for that dynasty Detroit Lions organization of the 70's as to why he got into the HOF over Smith.

infantrycak
01-27-2014, 10:07 AM
And maybe they were all integral parts of SUPERBOWL teams. Just speculating on the reason as you are.

Except yours is demonstrably false.

Yeah, even though Charlie Sanders has far less yardage and half the career TDs, it's probably the fact that he played for that dynasty Detroit Lions organization of the 70's as to why he got into the HOF over Smith.

LOL, yup or Jackie Smith from the powerhouse non-SB St. Louis Cardinals. I doubt his single season with no receptions for the the Cowboys put him in the Hall for having the most famous dropped TD in SB history.

http://evonsports.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/jackie-smith.jpg?w=450&h=300

Dread-Head
01-27-2014, 10:50 AM
The stupidest Football Life was Tebow.

This one has more merit because of the gay issue in the US. Me personally, I don't have a problem with it. By all accounts he was a pretty good player and not some journeyman guy who was out of the league in 2 years.

I lost all respect for T-blow when he tried to copyright dropping down to one knee to pray. In all fairness however T-Blow was just Vince Young 2.0. Hmm...Great high school athlete who kicks butt in college and wins a Heisman but whose skills wouldn't serve him in the pros...lukily there's no one like THAT in the current draft. :kitten:

Dread-Head
01-27-2014, 10:52 AM
Except yours is demonstrably false.



LOL, yup or Jackie Smith from the powerhouse non-SB St. Louis Cardinals. I doubt his single season with no receptions for the the Cowboys put him in the Hall for having the most famous dropped TD in SB history.

http://evonsports.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/jackie-smith.jpg?w=450&h=300

Wait...he dropped a pass which resulted in the D:zipit:llas Cowgirls losing a Super Bowl? I second his being nominated for the hall of fame on that alone.

infantrycak
01-27-2014, 11:09 AM
Wait...he dropped a pass which resulted in the D:zipit:llas Cowgirls losing a Super Bowl? I second his being nominated for the hall of fame on that alone.

12 year old 'cak shows you the birdie.

Where was your team that day? As I recall they were at home pulling 29 pt loss thorns out of their tookasses.

Dread-Head
01-27-2014, 11:16 AM
12 year old 'cak shows you the birdie.

Where was your team that day? As I recall they were at home pulling 29 pt loss thorns out of their tookasses.

Duly noted counselor.

Double Barrel
01-27-2014, 11:59 AM
He won a Heisman and a two national championships. That isn't bad ...

So, I suppose Herschel Walker should get his own A Football Life, too?

Walker won the Heisman, a national championship, earned consensus All-American honors three consecutive years, set 10 NCAA records, 15 Southeast Conference records, 30 Georgia all-time records.

And he was part of one of the greatest trades in NFL history.

Somehow I doubt Herschel gets his own show, though... :thinking:

The fact that NFL Films produced the documentary seems like it has more to do with something that Tebow did in the NFL...which honestly wasn't much....perhaps the episode was pandering to an audience?

The stupidest Football Life was Tebow.

And by far the most boring episode. Tebow barely accomplished diddly-squat in the NFL, and he's not even playing in the league just three seasons after he was drafted in the first round? What's up with that?

Around these parts, we'd call that a 'first round bust'. Not sure why he DESERVES his own A Football Life considering the NFL legends they have covered on that show (i.e. Lombardi, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Reggie White, Mike Ditka, Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, Ray Lewis, etc.).

Must be something more to the story... :um:

kingtexan
01-27-2014, 12:34 PM
So, I suppose Herschel Walker should get his own A Football Life, too?



Well, that might make more sense than some random gay dude no one has ever heard of.

JB
01-27-2014, 12:44 PM
Well, that might make more sense than some random gay dude no one has ever heard of.

No one being you

He may have come before your time but he was an outstanding receiving TE when most were blockers that might be able to catch a pass.

infantrycak
01-27-2014, 12:46 PM
Well, that might make more sense than some random gay dude no one has ever heard of.

During that time period you would have heard of him. He was a key cog on one of the league's top teams and highest profile teams.

You have heard of Dallas Clark right?

Hookem Horns
01-27-2014, 01:05 PM
You have heard of Dallas Clark right?

Dallas Clark is gay? :kitten:

kingtexan
01-27-2014, 01:16 PM
Dallas Clark is gay? :kitten:

I knew it!

Basically all Cowboys and their fans after the Tom Landry era are gay. Carry on ...

infantrycak
01-27-2014, 01:20 PM
Dallas Clark is gay? :kitten:

At this point, we don't know. (movie reference?)

I knew it!

Basically all Cowboys and their fans after the Tom Landry era are gay. Carry on ...

That's Jason Witten. Dallas Clark was Manning's go to TE.

Dutchrudder
01-27-2014, 01:28 PM
At this point, we don't know. (movie reference?)



That's Jason Witten. Dallas Clark was Manning's go to TE.

:corrosion:

Dread-Head
01-27-2014, 01:33 PM
Plankton is bemused by your ability to both breathe and post with a single brain cell.

Better?

DAMN IT CHRIS! You made coffee come through my nose! :spit:

Double Barrel
01-27-2014, 04:15 PM
Well, that might make more sense than some random gay dude no one has ever heard of.

Your lack of knowledge about NFL history is revealing... :hmmm:

Life must really be a proverbial dark cave for the people that seem to be scared shitless of gay folks.

It's not an infectious disease. You cannot catch it like the flu. Matter-of-fact, you can even shake hands with a gay person without concern of getting "gay hand".

kingtexan
01-27-2014, 07:24 PM
Your lack of knowledge about NFL history is revealing... :hmmm:

Life must really be a proverbial dark cave for the people that seem to be scared shitless of gay folks.

It's not an infectious disease. You cannot catch it like the flu. Matter-of-fact, you can even shake hands with a gay person without concern of getting "gay hand".

Scared? :thinking: Nope. Which is why I have never understood the "phobia" designation. Always just figured it was intended to give gay guys that ever elusive toughness ... :aggressive:

Now, as far as "gay hand" goes, it could very well become the next pandemic. :crutch:

Double Barrel
01-28-2014, 11:50 AM
Scared? :thinking: Nope. Which is why I have never understood the "phobia" designation. Always just figured it was intended to give gay guys that ever elusive toughness ... :aggressive:

Now, as far as "gay hand" goes, it could very well become the next pandemic. :crutch:

lol! I never said the "phobia" word.

Just yanking your chain, man. We both know each other's perspectives, so no point in hashing it out. Having a little fun is all. :)

Honoring Earl 34
01-28-2014, 12:08 PM
lol! I never said the "phobia" word.

Just yanking your chain, man. We both know each other's perspectives, so no point in hashing it out. Having a little fun is all. :)

They had an episode on Arli$$ about a gay QB that was quite funny . The title " My Job is to Get Jobs " . He got his sidekick to pay two underage girls to go to the QBs house and sit in the hot tub with said QB and Arli$$ called the police on him . QB was busted for partying with under age girls and the 49ers extended his contract .

HOU-TEX
01-28-2014, 12:20 PM
Your lack of knowledge about NFL history is revealing... :hmmm:

Life must really be a proverbial dark cave for the people that seem to be scared shitless of gay folks.

It's not an infectious disease. You cannot catch it like the flu. Matter-of-fact, you can even shake hands with a gay person without concern of getting "gay hand".

:lol: at "gay hand"

When one is stricken with "gay hand", does said hand gravitate towards the nearest peepee?