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srrono
01-20-2014, 04:14 PM
Link to full story (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315779/article/nfl-eyeing-proposal-to-abolish-extra-points?campaign=Twitter_atl)
Is the extra point about to go the way of the dinosaur?

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told NFL Network's Rich Eisen on Monday that the league's Competition Committee might eventually abolish the time-tested point after touchdown in favor of a brand-new scoring system.

"The extra point is almost automatic," Goodell said. "I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd. So it's a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play.

"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about. It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 04:16 PM
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

HJam72
01-20-2014, 04:19 PM
I don't even see how this will hurt kickers (last sentence in article). Taking away that kick doesn't lessen their value at all. It's the 3-pointers that they get all their value from.

TheIronDuke
01-20-2014, 04:20 PM
I kinda like the idea.

Double Barrel
01-20-2014, 04:25 PM
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

infantrycak
01-20-2014, 04:26 PM
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.

Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 04:26 PM
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

ChampionTexan
01-20-2014, 04:30 PM
Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.

Because only one problem can be addressed during the offseason?

hobie
01-20-2014, 04:33 PM
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

Have you been watching our kickers? Automatic from 40??...I would suggest ours should be just a little wider...

Double Barrel
01-20-2014, 04:34 PM
Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

I like that idea! Introduces some strategic depth into the game while still maintaining ties to the old 'three downs and a cloud of dust' heritage. :thumbup

ArlingtonTexan
01-20-2014, 04:36 PM
What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.

86% for all kicks this year, shows how bad 72 percent from Bullock is in modern standards.

edit

http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2014-articles/january/seven-interesting-stats-from-the-2013-nfl-season.html


86.5: That was the average field goal success percentage, league-wide, which was actually up 2.6 points from last season. There were only six misses on 242 attempts inside 30 yards, and kickers hit 93 percent of their kicks inside 40 yards. It's not even a challenge anymore. In fact, they hit 67 percent of their field goals from beyond 50 yards. That's a mark that had never been reached on field goals of any length until the 1981 season. A record 99.6 extra points were converted this year.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 04:44 PM
Gimme 7 or option for 2/6 is one thing...

Moving kick back is another...

But the option to put the ball up at the 2 yard line would materially change the game. I hope that one is off the table.

Dutchrudder
01-20-2014, 04:45 PM
I'd rather see the extra point abolished in favor of making the team always go for 2.

2012Champs
01-20-2014, 04:49 PM
Actual fg kickers aside if you had an option when going for two of a pass/run play or fg kick how far of a kick would it have to be for the two options to be roughly even?

ArlingtonTexan
01-20-2014, 04:57 PM
Actual fg kickers aside if you had an option when going for two of a pass/run play or fg kick how far of a kick would it have to be for the two options to be roughly even?

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-two-point-conversion-statistics/2013/

Over the years, the average success rate of two point conversions in the NFL has been around 50% (compared to a near 100% conversion on the single extra point).

Currently, kickers make 67% of kicks beyond 50 yards (see previous post of mine), so a rough estimate would be 55-60 yards out.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 06:00 PM
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

Because only one problem can be addressed during the offseason?

Seriously? I was not aware of this new development! Awesome!

eriadoc
01-20-2014, 06:41 PM
I think they should just have the players roll out onto the field and have the coaches pick teams.

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 07:24 PM
86% for all kicks this year, shows how bad 72 percent from Bullock is in modern standards.

Exactly. 72% would have been Canton material 40-50 years ago.

Lou Groza made 54.9%.
Jan Stenerud made 66.8%, and was only 17-64 from 50+.

Morten Andersen -- long the "gold standard" for automatic kickers -- made 79.7%, and the telling thing about the evolution of the game is that he NEVER made less than 80% in his seven seasons after turning 40.

Our current kicking woes aside, field goals have become way too easy in the NFL.

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 07:26 PM
Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

I don't know about the concept of "longer is more points". I hate the concept of penalizing good defense, even though I recognize a PAT isn't a field goal. That's why I hate the three point shot in basketball. Too often I see a team play lock down defense on an opponent trying to penetrate and get in for a good shot, only to kick it out to some three-point specialist with 5 seconds on the shot clock and drain a three-pointer. The defense gives up one point more than they would have if they didn't play such good interior defense.

HJam72
01-20-2014, 07:30 PM
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

Kinda defeats the purpose of getting the extra yards in certain situations, though.

I think they should just have the automatic extra point or go for 2 choice and/or consider making the goal posts closer together. Probably both. The extra point play is bathroom break time.

Marshall
01-20-2014, 07:32 PM
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

I like this idea much better. I'd like the thirty-five even better (ie 52 yard FG). Make the extra point a fifty fifty proposition.

2012Champs
01-20-2014, 07:35 PM
I don't know about the concept of "longer is more points". I hate the concept of penalizing good defense, even though I recognize a PAT isn't a field goal. That's why I hate the three point shot in basketball. Too often I see a team play lock down defense on an opponent trying to penetrate and get in for a good shot, only to kick it out to some three-point specialist with 5 seconds on the shot clock and drain a three-pointer. The defense gives up one point more than they would have if they didn't play such good interior defense.



If your entire defense is collapsing on the paint and leaves someone open for a free look 3 you aren't playing lock down defense. You do understand it's harder to hit 3s in general right? That's why it's worth more points

2012Champs
01-20-2014, 07:37 PM
Kinda defeats the purpose of getting the extra yards in certain situations, though.

I think they should just have the automatic extra point or go for 2 choice and/or consider making the goal posts closer together. Probably both. The extra point play is bathroom break time.



How would the optional pat distances for more points defeat getting extra yardage in certain sitautions ?

HJam72
01-20-2014, 07:38 PM
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

With teams making the 2-point conversion 50% of the time, I wonder how many would choose that a lot more.

Not a bad idea, though. I do wish they would start trying something. They could try one idea or the other for a year and asses the next offseason, as long as they go with one of the more popular ideas and not something off-the-wall--and I don't think they will anyway.

BTW, I wonder if we'll still have the same kicker next year.

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 07:40 PM
With teams making the 2-point conversion 50% of the time, I wonder how many would choose that a lot more.

Actually, any time you make a 2-point conversion more than about 49.8% of the time (with the 99.6% PAT conversion rate this year), mathematically you are better off going for 2 every time. Of course, there are other variables involved, but none more than a coach's desire to not be second-guessed for not going by the book.

Speedy
01-20-2014, 08:36 PM
Keep the extra point but get rid of the holder. All extra points are dropkicked.

Nawzer
01-20-2014, 09:37 PM
I had this idea back in 2009. I don't understand the need for an extra point. For once I agree with Goodell.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58435

Marshall
01-20-2014, 09:39 PM
Keep the extra point but get rid of the holder. All extra points are dropkicked.

I like this idea. Bring back the drop kick!

Goatcheese
01-20-2014, 11:45 PM
Dear Roger,

Please save all of your "great" ideas for your future job as the president of the National Flag Football Association.

HJam72
01-21-2014, 08:01 AM
How would the optional pat distances for more points defeat getting extra yardage in certain sitautions ?

Oh, sorry. I was thinking of 3 pointers, not PAT.

IDEXAN
01-21-2014, 08:23 AM
The NFL starting to think outside the box, getting a little imaginative ?
Wow, this ain't grandpa's NFL.

Mr teX
01-21-2014, 08:25 AM
I'm really starting to hate Roger Goodell....leave the game alone dumbass!!!!!

Blake
01-21-2014, 08:30 AM
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Extra point solution. If you want 1 point, put the offense 1 yard out and run a play. 2 points: 5 yards out. Run a play.

About damn time.

Texn4life
01-21-2014, 09:15 AM
NFL is failing so clearly it needs to be made more gimmicky....... I think when baseball players hit home runs they shouldn't have to bother running around the bases.... I mean, clearly whats the point? They could twist an ankle or something stepping on the base.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 09:46 AM
NFL is failing so clearly it needs to be made more gimmicky....... I think when baseball players hit home runs they shouldn't have to bother running around the bases.... I mean, clearly whats the point? They could twist an ankle or something stepping on the base.


I give the NFL credit in that it does look to make changes and does make them at times whereas baseball is slow as dirt at making changes to much of anything. Look at instant replay in baseball and how long that took. That may be part of the problem with baseball's popularity. Taking the PAT kick away from the game would leave it little changed except for speeding it up

bah007
01-21-2014, 09:58 AM
Anyone else starting to feel like Goodell cares less about the game and more about making his mark on it?..

TheDrifter
01-21-2014, 10:12 AM
I say dump the extra point. I dont know what system makes the most sense in replacement, but its a pointless play at current.

Whats really annoying is the extra point combined with review of all TDs. Then you sometimes end up with...

Touchdown -> Questionable, so extended review
(Commercial break)
Touchdown upheald!
Extra Point
(Commercial break)
Kickoff!
(Maybe more commercials if we need to cram some in!)
Play resumes.

It is the slowest part of the game, and can't be good for the momentum of the scoring team.

Hervoyel
01-21-2014, 10:21 AM
What I want more than anything is for Roger Goodell to get a damned hobby or something and quit "tweaking" the rules of the best damn game in the history of games.

By the time he's done I'm going to be watching the London Silly Nannies run around in circles with streamers getting points for who can pirouette best and who can sing Gilbert and Sullivan while balancing a ball on their nose. This **** does not have to change every year. It just doesn't. Leave it alone and stop ****ing up a good thing Roger.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 10:22 AM
What I want more than anything is for Roger Goodell to get a damned hobby or something and quit "tweaking" the rules of the best damn game in the history of games.

By the time he's done I'm going to be watching the London Silly Nannies run around in circles with streamers getting points for who can pirouette best and who can sing Gilbert and Sullivan while balancing a ball on their nose. This **** does not have to change every year. It just doesn't. Leave it alone and stop ****ing up a good thing Roger.



how much would this change the game?

bah007
01-21-2014, 10:29 AM
how much would this change the game?

It's not a necessary change so why change it?

Only change the things that need to be changed, like the instant replay procedure on fumble recoveries.

gwallaia
01-21-2014, 10:33 AM
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts

I would also add this to the field goal rule book:

Attempt a field goal and hit the 8" wide upright receive an extra 5 points. You know how hard it is to hit an 8" wide object by kicking a football at it? Much harder than kicking it through that Giant open space between them!

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 10:36 AM
It's not a necessary change so why change it?

Only change the things that need to be changed, like the instant replay procedure on fumble recoveries.



I find that a rather odd way to look at a business. You should always look at ways you can improve how things are done.

Texn4life
01-21-2014, 10:38 AM
Goodell has also mentioned eliminating kickoffs........ I agree with others that sometimes he just likes bringing up this crap to drum up attention.

Texecutioner
01-21-2014, 10:41 AM
Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.

I would not like that. I hate the fact that kickers already have such a huge impact on a game. Look at how many SB winners we view and great teams we forget about all because some kicker couldn't go in there and ice the winning shot at the end of the game when so many other teams have their kicker seal it. It changes history and the way we view teams historically. And this is all behind some guy who really has nothing to do with how each team played and he skips out there to determine who wins or loses in so many instances. I'd much rather the game get determined by the guys in the trenches and the guys who are out there on almost every play instead of some kicker. But that's just me.

bah007
01-21-2014, 10:42 AM
I find that a rather odd way to look at a business. You should always look at ways you can improve how things are done.

How does taking away the extra point improve the game? It's simply change for the sake of change.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 10:45 AM
How does taking away the extra point improve the game? It's simply change for the sake of change.



Im not saying it improves the game, Im saying your response is an odd way to look at or run a business. Taking the PAT kick away would speed the game up though

bah007
01-21-2014, 10:54 AM
Im not saying it improves the game, Im saying your response is an odd way to look at or run a business. Taking the PAT kick away would speed the game up though

Maybe I worded it incorrectly. My point is that there is no sense in changing things that don't need to be changed. Change for the sake of change is not an improvement.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 11:03 AM
Maybe I worded it incorrectly. My point is that there is no sense in changing things that don't need to be changed. Change for the sake of change is not an improvement.



Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter

ChampionTexan
01-21-2014, 11:10 AM
Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter

I am in complete agreement with this. When I'm at home watching a game, with the exception of 2 point attempts, I seldom see the extra points, as combined with the TV timeout immediately preceding and following them, they are the perfect time to run to the kitchen or bathroom.

I can't complain about eliminating something I don't bother to watch anyway.

Change it Roger! (but leave the kickoffs alone)

bah007
01-21-2014, 11:15 AM
Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter

It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?

The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.

Texn4life
01-21-2014, 11:26 AM
It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?

The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.

Does anyone remember Tony Romo fumbling a hold on a FG years ago. That was essentially extra point distance. Yeah, it is almost a given that it should be made every time, but that isn't always the case. I watch red zone and there was a week this year where there were almost 3-4 botched extra points within an hour. Its not always a sure thing.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 11:48 AM
It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?

You arent making a case against this change. The fact the PAT kick is so automatic is actually a reason for the change. The two point PAT choice is still there


The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.




If you took out a play that happens 3-8 times a game that has game stopage usually on both sides of it, it would speed up the game.

bah007
01-21-2014, 11:52 AM
You arent making a case against this change. The fact the PAT kick is so automatic is actually a reason for the change. The two point PAT choice is still there





If you took out a play that happens 3-8 times a game that has game stopage usually on both sides of it, it would speed up the game.

Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.

texdawg
01-21-2014, 12:01 PM
If the object is to get rid of the "automatic" 1 point kick, why not make the 2 point conversion worth 3 points?

A team has the option for the 1 point kick from the same spot as now or score 3 points. Most teams will go for 3, thus accomplishing goal of more "action" while adding more suspense to end of games.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 12:01 PM
Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.

Maybe. One option is to score the TD then get the option of 1 automatically tacked on (no play) or attempt a 2 pt.

TheDrifter
01-21-2014, 12:01 PM
Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.

Thats not a given. If its a -1 or +1 sort of "two point conversion" then that doesn't get run any more often than usual (rarely).

And even if we replace the current extra point with another play, it is almost certain to be a much more compelling play, since the XP is basically automatic.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 12:08 PM
Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.

You are incorrect. As it stands most kick pats, if you get that point without kicking it most teams will still take that and move on. No play would be run between the td and the kickoff

bah007
01-21-2014, 12:12 PM
I clearly misread the post about getting the 7th point automatically with a -1/+1 option on the try. I could get behind that. I thought we were talking about replacing the extra point with a different type of play.

Mr teX
01-21-2014, 12:24 PM
Does a PAT really slow the game down that much though? Not really..all the damn commercial breaks do but i doubt there's been serious consideration to eliminating a few of those to speed up the game. The NFL is the only sport i'm aware of where its fans look forward to seeing commercials....At least on Superbowl Sunday anyway.

Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.

This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.

he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 12:28 PM
Does a PAT really slow the game down that much though? Not really..all the damn commercial breaks do but i doubt there's been serious consideration to eliminating a few of those to speed up the game. The NFL is the only sport i'm aware of where its fans look forward to seeing commercials....At least on Superbowl Sunday anyway.

Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.

This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.

he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......


How would this bring more novice viewers to the game?

I think it does eliminate the possibility of a couple breaks per game

Mr teX
01-21-2014, 12:42 PM
How would this bring more novice viewers to the game?

I think it does eliminate the possibility of a couple breaks per game

imo they're only talking about this move to bring back some of the action & excitement to the game that they lost when they did what they did to kickoffs....essentially making them touchback fests.

I have no proof, but i'm guessing that those kinds of 1 off excitement plays (like TDs) are more apt to catch & draw in a novice viewer as opposed to watching a guy kick an extra point or watching the drive that led up to the TD..or watching the actual games...Basically they're trying to extend the excitement of a TD play.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 12:50 PM
imo they're only talking about this move to bring back some of the action & excitement to the game that they lost when they did what they did to kickoffs....essentially making them touchback fests.

I have no proof, but i'm guessing that those kinds of 1 off excitement plays (like TDs) are more apt to catch & draw in a novice viewer as opposed to watching a guy kick an extra point or watching the drive that led up to the TD..or watching the actual games...Basically they're trying to extend the excitement of a TD play.



What are you talking about? If they eliminate the PAT kicking attempt and just give you an extra point to walk away or give you the option of going for two most teams will take the extra point without a play.

Im not sure what action and excitement you are talking about adding in or extending the excitement of a td. This is eliminating a play more often than not

Mr teX
01-21-2014, 01:30 PM
What are you talking about? If they eliminate the PAT kicking attempt and just give you an extra point to walk away or give you the option of going for two most teams will take the extra point without a play.

Im not sure what action and excitement you are talking about adding in or extending the excitement of a td. This is eliminating a play more often than not

But what real need is there to eliminate the actual play for period? it doesn't happen often, but there are instances where PAT's aren't converted routinely. It effectively eliminates an opportunity (albeit a small one) for the opposition to effect the game in the long run. It just Doesn't make sense to me b/c the play itself doesn't take that long to complete & you're not gonna be saving a ton of time/breaks by eliminating it anyway.

You're assuming the bolded....& you're probably right for the most part. But obviously with some of the other options they & others have suggested in this thread, there seems to be an interest in eliminating a fairly routine play like a PAT & there's no real valid explanation for it.

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 03:08 PM
But what real need is there to eliminate the actual play for period? it doesn't happen often, but there are instances where PAT's aren't converted routinely. It effectively eliminates an opportunity (albeit a small one) for the opposition to effect the game in the long run. It just Doesn't make sense to me b/c the play itself doesn't take that long to complete & you're not gonna be saving a ton of time/breaks by eliminating it anyway.

You're assuming the bolded....& you're probably right for the most part. But obviously with some of the other options they & others have suggested in this thread, there seems to be an interest in eliminating a fairly routine play like a PAT & there's no real valid explanation for it.



My assumption on the first part is due in part to the fact that most teams kick pats vs attempting the two point conversion. The fact that the failure rate for kicking pats is higher than 0 but would then the +1 would go to zero suggest that the use of just taking a point would be higher if this change was made.

Getting rid of kicking pats would remove spots for commercial breaks and would save time if teams took the free extra point and moved on

Double Barrel
01-21-2014, 03:12 PM
Maybe. One option is to score the TD then get the option of 1 automatically tacked on (no play) or attempt a 2 pt.

No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.

From the article:

"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about. It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."

Mr teX
01-21-2014, 03:23 PM
No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.

From the article:

This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.

Double Barrel
01-21-2014, 03:30 PM
This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.

I agree completely. They should just leave it alone. Do not fix what is not broken, IMO.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 03:32 PM
No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.

That is the same thing described differently. However worded you get 7 doing nothing but scoring the TD or you can attempt a conversion akin to the 2 pt now and get either 6 or 8 depending on the result. Call it 0 or 2 v. -1 or +1 it is the same 2 pt swing.

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.

HOU-TEX
01-21-2014, 03:38 PM
If they really want to change it, start by moving the LOS back to the 20-25. See how it works for a season or two.

Double Barrel
01-21-2014, 03:40 PM
That is the same thing described differently. However worded you get 7 doing nothing but scoring the TD or you can attempt a conversion akin to the 2 pt now and get either 6 or 8 depending on the result. Call it 0 or 2 v. -1 or +1 it is the same 2 pt swing.

I gotcha'. I thought you were talking about Goodell's intention, but yeah, I see what you're saying now.

Are you for this change?

2012Champs
01-21-2014, 03:41 PM
This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.



Considering the PAT kicking success rate it really wouldnt take much away from the game and stating it was "quite a bit" is overstating it imo

Marshall
01-21-2014, 03:42 PM
Anyone else starting to feel like Goodell cares less about the game and more about making his mark on it?..

Starting? Did you really say STARTING?

Marshall
01-21-2014, 03:44 PM
What I want more than anything is for Roger Goodell to get a damned hobby or something and quit "tweaking" the rules of the best damn game in the history of games.

By the time he's done I'm going to be watching the London Silly Nannies run around in circles with streamers getting points for who can pirouette best and who can sing Gilbert and Sullivan while balancing a ball on their nose. This **** does not have to change every year. It just doesn't. Leave it alone and stop ****ing up a good thing Roger.

How about this for a gimmick? Throwback rules with the throwback jerseys. Use a rugby type ball and make the forward pass illegal and the flying wedge legal. And no pads.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 03:46 PM
Are you for this change?

I was editing while you asked this. Now, from above:

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.

Double Barrel
01-21-2014, 04:11 PM
I was editing while you asked this. Now, from above:

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.

The added strategy element is intriguing. One of the many great facets of the game is the design of strategy, so this is one of those issues that could have some interesting scenarios for teams and fans to ponder.

My initial reactions to this kind of suggestion is to leave it alone. However, that doesn't mean that I'm not open to hearing ideas and accepting them if they add to the game.

Extra points are rather boring. I cannot really defend it because it's gotten so routine and monotonous. I liked it when they added 2 point conversion options, so this might be another element that grows on me over time.

Hervoyel
01-21-2014, 04:11 PM
How about this for a gimmick? Throwback rules with the throwback jerseys. Use a rugby type ball and make the forward pass illegal and the flying wedge legal. And no pads.

Instead of having "Special Teams" each team should have another squad of anywhere between 10 and 20 guys who all dress in period uniforms and equipment. These are not members of the team per se. They're guys who probably couldn't make an NFL franchise but who still want to be a part of it. Think of them as some kind of bizarre throwback 12th man. They sit on the sidelines until a TD is scored and then they are solely responsible for coming in and doing these goal line extra point plays and literally anything goes. Leather helmets, no forward pass, everyone wears funky brown cleats and black socks. Freaky stripes EVERYWHERE

There. That's a change I could get behind. At least half of them need to be named "Sullivan".

Marshall
01-21-2014, 04:14 PM
Instead of having "Special Teams" each team should have another squad of anywhere between 10 and 20 guys who all dress in period uniforms and equipment. These are not members of the team per se. They're guys who probably couldn't make an NFL franchise but who still want to be a part of it. Think of them as some kind of bizarre throwback 12th man. They sit on the sidelines until a TD is scored and then they are solely responsible for coming in and doing these goal line extra point plays and literally anything goes. Leather helmets, no forward pass, everyone wears funky brown cleats and black socks. Freaky stripes EVERYWHERE

There. That's a change I could get behind. At least half of them need to be named "Sullivan".

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infantrycak
01-24-2014, 06:40 PM
It appears this is not a Goodell idea:

Via Mike Zwolinski of the Toronto Star, the CFL has discussed dumping the one-point PAT — and could continue to do so.

“Our rules committee discussed the idea of eliminating or altering the convert several years ago and as recently as last year,” CFL V.P. of officiating told the Star. “We plan on continuing to explore this idea, but no change is imminent.”

Link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/24/cfl-also-exploring-elimination-of-extra-point/)

EllisUnit
01-24-2014, 06:44 PM
I'd rather see the extra point abolished in favor of making the team always go for 2.

Yeah this would make the game really interesting for sure.

TejasTom
01-28-2014, 12:33 AM
I don't think they really packaged this very well. I would present it as a TD is worth 6, that doesn't change.

Then you can take a point (1) or make a play (2).

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 07:24 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
As for centralized replay, committee chair Rich McKay told me, “Maybe not next year.” Possible it won’t be ready for a vote.

Two possible scenarios in future for changing PAT: 1. Making it longer; 2. Making TDs worth 7, subtracting a point for missed 2-pt conversion

Talked on Total Access about what the Competition Committee mulled today. Eliminating the PAT is a long way off. Changing history takes time

Sigma
03-20-2014, 01:29 PM
there are a lot of talks about changing the PAT

everyone is focussing on making the kick from a greater distance

would you like to have a PAT similar to the one in rugby?

if the ball breaks the plane of the endzone near one sideline you have to kick from that sideline, if the ball breaks the plane near the center of the field you can kick from the center.

Blake
03-20-2014, 01:34 PM
Um, no. Just make it longer. Nobody likes the PAT as it is currently constructed. Except kickers.

Malloy
03-20-2014, 01:37 PM
remove kicks, make it a 2-point play :)

Blake
03-20-2014, 01:47 PM
remove kicks, make it a 2-point play :)

A long time ago I said they should run a play form the 1 yard line for 1 point, or run a play from the 2 yard line for 2.

1 point conversion: Place ball at 1 yard line and run a play.
2 point conversion: Place ball at 2 yard line and run a play.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 02:47 PM
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Malloy
03-20-2014, 04:41 PM
A long time ago I said they should run a play form the 1 yard line for 1 point, or run a play from the 2 yard line for 2.

1 point conversion: Place ball at 1 yard line and run a play.
2 point conversion: Place ball at 2 yard line and run a play.

That would Work for me too :)

ObsiWan
03-20-2014, 05:15 PM
double post

ObsiWan
03-20-2014, 05:18 PM
Roger.
Say you're gonna change the extra point again
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I dare you!
I double dare you!!

Hervoyel
03-20-2014, 06:09 PM
Roger won't be satisfied until NFL football barely resembles the sport it was when NFL football became the greatest sport in the United States. It's a death of a thousand cuts approach to turning it into something vaguely resembling NBA basketball on a big grass "court".