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srrono
01-20-2014, 05:03 PM
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The NFL Can Force These Eight Teams To Appear On Hard Knocks (http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-can-force-these-eight-teams-to-appear-on-hard-k-1505269830?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitte r&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)

After the NFL and HBO had a devil of a time finding a team to agree to be on Hard Knocks, owners passed a new rule. Now the league can force a team to admit HBO cameras into their training camp unless that team a)has a new head coach, b)made the playoffs in one of the previous two seasons, or c)already appeared on the show in the last 10 years.

Well into the playoffs, and with all the coach firings completed, we can now figure out which teams are exempt from appearing on next year's edition. Thankfully we don't have to! Reader Ryan did the dirty work.

The NFL can force these teams to appear on Hard Knocks in 2014:

Bears
Bills
Cardinals
Giants
Jaguars
Raiders
Rams
Steelers

I would like to see the Texans on Hard Knocks but I don't think it will ever happen and I understand why.

nero THE zero
01-20-2014, 06:03 PM
Texans will be eligible next year.

I would love to see them on it.

Also, this is a list of teams that can be forced to accept, not a list of teams who are exclusively eligible, correct?

I mean, if the Cowboys or 49ers offered to allow HBO in, they would be eligible, no?

srrono
01-20-2014, 06:12 PM
Texans will be eligible next year.

I would love to see them on it.

Also, this is a list of teams that can be forced to accept, not a list of teams who are exclusively eligible, correct?

I mean, if the Cowboys or 49ers offered to allow HBO in, they would be eligible, no?

Yes this is the list of teams that the NFL can force to accept but any team could volunteer.

kingtexan
01-20-2014, 07:50 PM
Texans will be eligible next year.

Not if they make the playoffs. Then they cant be forced ...

TexansBull
01-20-2014, 10:44 PM
This year would be great. New head coach and players responding to him and a new regime...

speedfreek
01-21-2014, 07:45 AM
I'd love to see them on hard knocks -- it would at least give
me something to be excited about after 2-14

Marshall
01-21-2014, 07:49 AM
I'd love to see them on hard knocks -- it would at least give
me something to be excited about after 2-14

I think they should spend a season following fired coaches around.

Thorn
01-21-2014, 08:26 AM
I do not want to ever see the Texans on that silly ass show. They need to concentrate on football, not being on TV.

IDEXAN
01-21-2014, 09:25 AM
Wonder if BOB will open up access to Texans' TC this summer ?

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 10:25 AM
I do not want to ever see the Texans on that silly ass show. They need to concentrate on football, not being on TV.

Yup - never want to see the Texans on that show. They have wisely turned it down several times already.

Wonder if BOB will open up access to Texans' TC this summer ?

As opposed to?

nero THE zero
01-21-2014, 12:08 PM
Yup - never want to see the Texans on that show. They have wisely turned it down several times already.


They also begged for it and lost to the Jets.

I honestly can't fathom why a fan of the team wouldn't want them on the show.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 12:20 PM
They also begged for it and lost to the Jets.

I honestly can't fathom why a fan of the team wouldn't want them on the show.

Begged is a stretch. McNair said they were interested. There weren't any reports of wining and dining like the Jets did.

There is no upside for the team. That's why.

nero THE zero
01-21-2014, 01:30 PM
There is no upside for the team. That's why.

Is there a downside?

The upside is for us, as fans, obviously.

edwardc5637
01-21-2014, 01:40 PM
Wouldn't want to see them on the BS stay focused on the task at hand getting to the playoffs and winning not being on some BS TV show.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 01:42 PM
Is there a downside?

Yes, distraction for the players and coaching altered to fit on camera.

The upside is for us, as fans, obviously.

Not in my book. What happens on the field when the games count is the only place for upside and this doesn't facilitate on the field success.

nero THE zero
01-21-2014, 01:59 PM
Yes, distraction for the players and coaching altered to fit on camera.

As evidenced by what?

When's the last instance where you can draw a direct correlation between a team appearing on Hard Knocks and some distraction which adversely affected the team?

OTOH, you don't have to look further than last season's Hard Knocks team to see a team that participated on the show and went on to win a division title.

MistaRed
01-21-2014, 02:01 PM
They also begged for it and lost to the Jets.

I honestly can't fathom why a fan of the team wouldn't want them on the show.

Didn't you hear? If you're on hard knocks your team is automatically eliminated from playoff contention. It's the rules.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 02:13 PM
As evidenced by what?

This one is too common sense to argue. There are only two possibilities - no effect and ill effect.

When's the last instance where you can draw a direct correlation between a team appearing on Hard Knocks and some distraction which adversely affected the team?

OTOH, you don't have to look further than last season's Hard Knocks team to see a team that participated on the show and went on to win a division title.

Ravens - worse.
Cowboys - same bad result.
Chiefs - much worse.
Cowboys #2 - much worse.
Bengals - much better (and obviously the result of Palmer and Chad returning healthy rather than the show).
Jets - same.
Dolphins - same.
Bengals - same.

You would be hard pressed to pick 8 team/year combos at random and come up with only 1 team that improved.

I'd watch it but there is no argument it is good for the team on the field.

nero THE zero
01-21-2014, 02:52 PM
Ravens - worse.
Cowboys - same bad result.
Chiefs - much worse.
Cowboys #2 - much worse.
Bengals - much better (and obviously the result of Palmer and Chad returning healthy rather than the show).
Jets - same.
Dolphins - same.
Bengals - same.

You would be hard pressed to pick 8 team/year combos at random and come up with only 1 team that improved.

I'd watch it but there is no argument it is good for the team on the field.

So, we have 3 teams in 8 that have finished with a worse record the season they participated in Hard Knocks compared to the season prior (and one of those teams was coming off a Super Bowl win and still managed to win 10 games in the season they participated in Hard Knocks).

Further, the win differential for all teams participating in Hard Knocks compared to the year prior is -1.

I get the premise, but color me unconvinced the show has any impact on the season at all.

Also, even if the numbers did support the premise better, you haven't identified any specific "distraction" stemming from the show that could be linked to the drop off in performance.

TexansBull
01-21-2014, 02:57 PM
This one is too common sense to argue. There are only two possibilities - no effect and ill effect.



Ravens - worse.
Cowboys - same bad result.
Chiefs - much worse.
Cowboys #2 - much worse.
Bengals - much better (and obviously the result of Palmer and Chad returning healthy rather than the show).
Jets - same.
Dolphins - same.
Bengals - same.

You would be hard pressed to pick 8 team/year combos at random and come up with only 1 team that improved.

I'd watch it but there is no argument it is good for the team on the field.






All the teams mentioned have management/ownership problems that impact the record more so than the tv show. The only exception is the Ravens.

Playoffs
01-21-2014, 03:20 PM
We'll be the target of Hard Knocks right after Belichick's Patriots do it. Mmmkay? Good. :bubbles:

corytx8
01-21-2014, 03:41 PM
Didn't JJ Watt learn the dolphins snap count from that show a year ago. I remember him mentioning it in a post game pressed.

ObsiWan
01-21-2014, 03:41 PM
I honestly can't fathom why a fan of the team wouldn't want them on the show.

Because it's reality TV. Reality TV, by definition, a distraction. Our troops will already be saddled learning new offensive and defensive systems from a whole new set of coaches. Why anyone would actually want to lay that additional distraction on the players just so they can have something - hopefully juicy - to watch on TV is beyond me.

So, we have 3 teams in 8 that have finished with a worse record the season they participated in Hard Knocks compared to the season prior (and one of those teams was coming off a Super Bowl win and still managed to win 10 games in the season they participated in Hard Knocks).

Further, the win differential for all teams participating in Hard Knocks compared to the year prior is -1.

I get the premise, but color me unconvinced the show has any impact on the season at all.

Also, even if the numbers did support the premise better, you haven't identified any specific "distraction" stemming from the show that could be linked to the drop off in performance.

Then why the hell bother with it?? If there's no clearly established benefit to this hassle, when why do it?? Makes no sense to me.

nero THE zero
01-21-2014, 03:46 PM
Then why the hell bother with it?? If there's no clearly established benefit to this hassle, when why do it?? Makes no sense to me.
Are you asking me why the team should "bother with it" or why I would like the Texans to be on it?

bah007
01-21-2014, 03:46 PM
Zero benefit to the team so why waste your time with this distraction?

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 03:54 PM
All the teams mentioned have management/ownership problems that impact the record more so than the tv show. The only exception is the Ravens.

So bad management/ownership chooses to do the show.

There's a compelling argument for doing it.

The Pencil Neck
01-21-2014, 05:10 PM
The reason for doing the show is Public Relations. It helps to build the fanbase of your team and to get people to know who you are and what you're about.

If you're a sucky team or have a bunch of dillweeds on your squad, that's not a good thing.

Personally, I like watching Hard Knocks. I like getting to know the players a little better and I like seeing some of the things that are going on behind-the-scenes... even though I know it's not an extremely accurate look because people don't act the same with the cameras going. I'd love to learn more about some of my Texans and I think it would be a way to win some more fans.

But... it can be a distraction.

srrono
01-21-2014, 05:42 PM
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