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thetexanator
01-20-2014, 04:58 PM
i dont recall ever being so irked at someone. everything this guy says, writes, does on the field just hits me the wrong way. oh i just remembered somebody as i am writing this. T.O, when he did his crappola on the star. but even to and chad johnson didnt piss me off as much as this dude.
ive never wished an injury on any football player, but i hope this dude tears an acl in the sb.:pissed:

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 05:05 PM
I have mixed feelings. On one hand, I'm old school about demeanor and prefer players who act like they've been there before, even if they haven't. Marshawn Lynch rips off a big TD run and just hands the ball to the official and has an understated celebration with his teammates. And by almost any reasonable standard, Sherman's "interview" was over the top. It was a really punkish thing to do. It's one thing to celebrate; it's another to totally disrespect your opponent.

On the other hand, I know enough about Crabtree to know that he was probably giving as much trash talk as he was taking. Boldin is the same way, maybe even worse -- the 49ers WRs are just that way, and their coach shares some of their attributes and surely doesn't discourage it. I also saw Crabtree shove Sherman in the face mask right after that last pick. Now Sherman claims he was coming over to say "good game", but I call BS on that -- it was very likely more trash talk. But still, I think this was going on back and forth all game and these two were so jacked up by the end of the game that it took a while for Sherman to come down.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 05:13 PM
‘To Those Who Would Call Me a Thug or Worse …’

I show passion on the football field—but that’s only a small part of who I am. If you want to judge me, I can handle it.

By Richard Sherman (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-sherman-interview-michael-crabtree/)


Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Texted with Richard Sherman on Crabtree. He explained, "He has said and done a lot of things on and off the field. It's been a culmination."

El Tejano
01-20-2014, 05:17 PM
So you say you are the best! Ok...cool! See you in two weeks.


http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/08/18/297812-peyton-manning.jpg

SCOTTexans
01-20-2014, 05:21 PM
He backs up his talk day in and day out, continually making key plays and shuts down receivers.

If he said that he bangs goats i would still want him on this team.... :fingergun: http://www.sherv.net/cm/page/hidden/msn/goat.gif

htownfan32
01-20-2014, 05:31 PM
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but **** Sherman. I'm pulling for the Broncos on this one.

Double Barrel
01-20-2014, 05:31 PM
The dude's mouth writes checks that his play on the field cashes.

The NFL is an entertainment industry at the end of the day. Sherman entertains. He can be your hero or he can be your villain. Either way, you continue to watch to see him succeed for fail. But you watch, and that's all that matters to NFL, Inc.

Sherman is good for business. He's not getting into trouble off the field, he's not purposefully trying to injure other players, and he's about the team as much as he is about himself.

And, c'mon, we don't see great defenses with legitimate nicknames anymore.

"Legion of Boom" >>> "Bulls on Parade" as far as names go.

Dutchrudder
01-20-2014, 05:38 PM
I can't believe how much people are talking about this after watching such an awesome game. The players say waaaaaaaaay worse stuff to eachother on the field, but they clean up their acts in front of the cameras. Sherman won the game on that play and was fired up, so he was pumped and let it show. So what?

I mean honestly, if you want classy-ness or whatever the hell people want to call it, go watch golf or figure skating. Football is an aggressive sport, and guys talk **** all the time, it's just that most of the time it's not in front of the cameras, or they edit it out of the broadcast. It's not like he was being racist or vulgar, just disrespecting a guy he schooled all game.


I also liked this article on it:

...

We want them to utter the same banal cliches, put on a false face for television, talk like, simultaneously, everyone and no one actually does in real life. You ever wonder why 99% of athlete interviews sound the exact same? It's because everyone is acting, playing the role that countless athletes before them have played in their post-game interviews.

it's been so long since someone was actually honest, that none of us even know what that looks like.

And if you don't act that way -- a patently false way that no one truly resembles in their actual life -- then you're classless.

...

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-class-and-sports.php

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 05:41 PM
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn
Seahawks CB Richard Sherman tells me just now he regrets putting himself ahead of his team with postgame remarks: "I apologize for attacking an individual and taking the attention away from the fantastic game by my teammates. That was not my intent.''




Chatter is Sherman approached Crabtree at an offseason charity event to shake hands and Crabtree went off on Sherman talking trash about how they're (the 49ers) going to do this & that to the Seahawks next year -- which ended in them almost coming to blows.

Who knows where the truth lies in that, but I'm less put off by the postgame comment now. But it is fun to watch a defensive trash talking get his mouth shut by being scored on -- can't get the same immediate satisfaction with an offensive trash talker because you have to wait for the whole game.

Dan B.
01-20-2014, 06:04 PM
I can't believe how much people are talking about this after watching such an awesome game. The players say waaaaaaaaay worse stuff to eachother on the field, but they clean up their acts in front of the cameras. Sherman won the game on that play and was fired up, so he was pumped and let it show. So what?

I mean honestly, if you want classy-ness or whatever the hell people want to call it, go watch golf or figure skating. Football is an aggressive sport, and guys talk **** all the time, it's just that most of the time it's not in front of the cameras, or they edit it out of the broadcast. It's not like he was being racist or vulgar, just disrespecting a guy he schooled all game.


I also liked this article on it:



http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-class-and-sports.php

Agreed. People just have to get worked up about something I guess.

I like a player that plays with some intensity. The nice guy thing is good for marketing, but bad for football IMO.

Double Barrel
01-20-2014, 06:17 PM
Sherman's act is entertaining in two ways: firstly that he backs up his mouth with the way he plays, and second when he eventually continues to mouth off but his play inevitably declines like it does for all athletes. We are entertained as he goes up and and then when he comes down. :D

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.

infantrycak
01-20-2014, 06:22 PM
Agreed. People just have to get worked up about something I guess.

I like a player that plays with some intensity. The nice guy thing is good for marketing, but bad for football IMO.

Lots of either or stuff today.

Intensity is not mutually exclusive with being a nice guy after the whistle blows. Cliff "Captain Crash" Harris was one of the hardest hitting safeties the league has ever known and is a very "nice guy."

I like Sherman and there is nothing wrong with swagger but as with most things excess can get annoying.

Norg
01-20-2014, 06:23 PM
I think its a non issue and don't really think this is a story

revan
01-20-2014, 06:25 PM
I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.

infantrycak
01-20-2014, 06:29 PM
Sherman's act is entertaining ...

Imagine how entertaining it would have been and controversial today if his penalty had set up an onside kick already in game winning FG range.

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.

Very true. Great matchup. Old pocket passer v. young and mobile. Manning could put a tombstone on doubting him by being the 1st QB to win a SB with two teams. etc.

Norg
01-20-2014, 06:40 PM
I still cant believe we were murkin these seahawks for 3 and a half qtrs. with matt schaub


and once Cushing got injured and left dat game man it went all down hill from there that's crazyyy ..???

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 06:50 PM
He read the TO/Ochocinco/Broner/Mayweather guide for self promotion and is seeing it through. He's been doing stuff for attention for years. I just think the dude is a phony and don't care for him personally. Have no problem with someone who likes him though.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 06:54 PM
I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.

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Double Barrel
01-20-2014, 07:01 PM
I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.

yeah, especially when you see NFL Films interviews with those guys and others recently where they basically admit that they were purposefully trying to hurt each other out there. Not just hurt, but take each other out of the game with injuries.

They were mean and unapologetic about it. Deacon Jones, even as an old dude, said he hates QBs and loved the NFL because it was the only time he could legally hit a white dude. Can you imagine a modern player showing that kind of demeanor out there or in the press?

htowntexans1985
01-20-2014, 07:42 PM
I still cant believe we were murkin these seahawks for 3 and a half qtrs. with matt schaub


and once Cushing got injured and left dat game man it went all down hill from there that's crazyyy ..???

It all went downhill on the 1st pass of week 1. Pick 6. The writing was on the wall.

kingtexan
01-20-2014, 07:53 PM
Sherman is great.

He talks trash, but backs it up on the field.

I have no problem with that ...

StarStruck
01-20-2014, 08:57 PM
My son is a die hard Niner fan (yes my kids are independent thinkers) and was at the game. He heard about the interview first and later saw it. His response was that he didn't see the big deal of the big deal. His big deal was the two interceptions especially the last one considering the timing

bah007
01-20-2014, 09:16 PM
Funny how people complain about PC but when someone comes along and says things that aren't PC those same people put them on blast.

TexansBull
01-20-2014, 10:41 PM
I thought at first someone changed the channel on me and I was watching Booker T doing an impression of Sherman...



Seriously though its a none issue. The interview was minutes after the confrontation and there seems to be bad blood as it is. The guy is human and its not similar to the TO antics or Ochocinco stuff. That was a heat of the battle type of response.

chicagotexan2
01-20-2014, 10:41 PM
He's no dummy. He likes being a villain and even though he comes off as a brash clown he's not what's wrong with the nfl. He's a character and ill take someone like him over someone like ray lewis any day.

gtexan02
01-20-2014, 11:36 PM
I guarantee you his act is infectious to his teammates. He gets so pumped up for every game, every play. That's enviable

leebigeztx
01-20-2014, 11:42 PM
I remember seeing him @ senior bowl. He was a late injury add,came in night b4 and played well. Ex wr,great ball skills. How many dudes from compton goes to stanford,make straight a's ? As long as he plays like he do,I don't care.

The1ApplePie
01-20-2014, 11:52 PM
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Sherman is honestly refreshing for the present NFL. Same with Suh

And as someone else said, it has been reported that Sherman and Crabtree have an off the field history

beerlover
01-20-2014, 11:53 PM
I remember seeing him @ senior bowl. He was a late injury add,came in night b4 and played well. Ex wr,great ball skills. How many dudes from compton goes to stanford,make straight a's ? As long as he plays like he do,I don't care.

well said. hence chip on shoulder, which drives him. However once he (Seahawks) win the Superbowl, reality will set in. How does he respond to media, commercial & contract requests? Love his candidness, keeping it real, just try to keep it underwraps & milk it for all its worth :money:

Hervoyel
01-20-2014, 11:55 PM
It's a win-win all the way around. When he backs it up it's entertaining and because the nature of the NFL is spelled out in it's name (Not For Long) sooner than he expects he won't be able to back it up and we'll get to see someone else eventually rub his nose in it like a dog that just did his business on the carpet. No matter what part of it you like best you'll get yours eventually.

Dan B.
01-21-2014, 12:21 AM
Lots of either or stuff today.

Intensity is not mutually exclusive with being a nice guy after the whistle blows. Cliff "Captain Crash" Harris was one of the hardest hitting safeties the league has ever known and is a very "nice guy."

I like Sherman and there is nothing wrong with swagger but as with most things excess can get annoying.

I didn't say it was. There's a pretty strong correlation though.

I also disagree that Sherman's quotes were excessive or annoying.

Goatcheese
01-21-2014, 12:39 AM
Unless he said more than they showed on the news, I don't see the problem. He's excited about making a huge play to seal the win and he's yelling because it's friggin loud in there with everyone celebrating.

imatexan
01-21-2014, 03:08 AM
Sherman's act is entertaining in two ways: firstly that he backs up his mouth with the way he plays, and second when he eventually continues to mouth off but his play inevitably declines like it does for all athletes. We are entertained as he goes up and and then when he comes down. :D

I think it sets up a good Super Bowl, too. #1 defense vs. #1 offense. Ball hawk secondary vs. Peyton Manning. EPIC.

Like in the playoff last year when he had a 47 yard TD thrown on him and lost the game and continued to talk smack?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/roddy-white-says-richard-sherman-talked-way-pro-162306807.html

Humility and respect for your fellow competitors is lost with him, it's all about the "look at me".

Screw Sherman.

Wolf6151
01-21-2014, 03:24 AM
The guys a douche bag, but he's the kind of douche bag you want on your team because he's that damn good.

infantrycak
01-21-2014, 10:13 AM
I also disagree that Sherman's quotes were excessive or annoying.

Disagreeing with whom? While you quoted me, I never said his quotes alone were excessive or annoying. In fact the observation "excess can get annoying" was a general statement not even pointed at Sherman.

deucetx
01-21-2014, 11:53 AM
Had no issues with it personally. To be quite honest, it was kind of refreshing. It's a rare thing I even bother paying attention to interviews because guys say the same ol' politically correct jargon that you can write a script for. So yeah it was over the top and unsportsmanlike but damnit if it wasn't entertaining.

Plus, as someone else posted, there was a history there. Sherman didn't really react til he got shoved in the face when he extended his hand. Though I found it interesting (on another sports forum) how everyone focused on that one moment but ignored that for the entire game Sherman was patting Niners after a play. I remember it because I thought it was a bit out of character after some of his statements before the game. But all game he was patting guys after a good play and even helped one guy up on the Niners.

So fast forward and he makes the big play, pats Crab on the backside and extends his hand to only get shoved in the face. Granted it could have been a smart ass way of taunting. Hell...he might have reacted better than I would though lol. Eh, either way not a big deal.

Blake
01-21-2014, 01:54 PM
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Yup. Because one thing is for sure, this message board doesn't have people who disagree. We all have the same uniform opinion. /sarcasm.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BegqvgUCEAA3E2N.jpg

htownfan32
01-21-2014, 02:17 PM
Yup. Because one thing is for sure, this message board doesn't have people who disagree. We all have the same uniform opinion. /sarcasm.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BegqvgUCEAA3E2N.jpg

Hahaha this

Double Barrel
01-21-2014, 02:26 PM
^ hilarious!! :lol:

I know a couple of football fans that have this exact take. Gotta' forward this to them.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-21-2014, 09:57 PM
The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans

chicagotexan2
01-21-2014, 10:42 PM
I don't get the butthurt over Sherman. This is the same board that supported Antonio Smith trying to brain a guy with a helmet right?

Sherman is honestly refreshing for the present NFL. Same with Suh

And as someone else said, it has been reported that Sherman and Crabtree have an off the field history

Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.

Marshall
01-22-2014, 07:58 AM
The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans

OK! I have to ask if the Pots and Pans are some kind of regional inside joke. Is there more to the story? I've heard lot's of southern phrases, many of which are no longer popular, but I can't recall pots and pans being one of them.

Dutchrudder
01-22-2014, 08:54 AM
The nfl needs villains like this. Been to calm since TO called it a day


Your man... Pots and pans

And who better to play the hero than Peyton Manning? I really hope this Super Bowl comes down to the last play, because it could be epic.

Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?

infantrycak
01-22-2014, 08:59 AM
Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?

Pots and pans. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pots%20and%20pans)

HOU-TEX
01-22-2014, 10:18 AM
Suh is loud and brash but he's a dirty cheap shot artist. I'd rather a league with several Shermans and no Suh.

I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me

Double Barrel
01-22-2014, 11:09 AM
I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me

I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.

Dread-Head
01-22-2014, 11:26 AM
I wonder how Deacon Jones, the Fridge or Mean Joe Green would do in today's NFL?.

They weren't talking trash they were just killin' muff-huggas.

deucetx
01-22-2014, 11:27 AM
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.

Apparently I have sent too much rep your way so I'll just say great post and nailed my feelings on it. Very well said.

JB
01-22-2014, 11:39 AM
I'm sort of on the opposite side. I love the way Suh plays MINUS the head stomps and such. He's been fined an ass load and imo has gotten much better.

That said, I don't have much of an issue with Sherman. I just didn't think running up on Crabtree showed one ounce of sportsmanship. Yes, there were obviously issues between the two beforehand, but why not be the bigger man. Your team just beat his team and sent them home. That's the bigger "in your face" to me

In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

link (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-sherman-interview-michael-crabtree/)

HOU-TEX
01-22-2014, 12:18 PM
I see what you're saying about Sherman, but on the flip side, I think what we saw was pure, unbridled and unfiltered passion of a competitor.

We are so used to a sort of scrubbed and sanitized presentation of pro athletes these days, to the point that they have handlers, marketing agents, and even classes on how to neutrally present themselves, that when we see one fired up it tends to dislodge us. This was not the typical cliché catch phrases that we hear over and over ad nauseum. Instead, this was a fire breathing dragon in full beast mode.

When you listen to all the other pro athletes out there talking about this Sherman thing, almost all of them say that this is normal behavior and attitude in the locker-room and on the field. The NFL doesn't like us to see this much unless it's in a sanitized NFL Films presentation. That's why they have a 20-30 minute cool down period after games before interviews. We just got a glimpse of it when the media rushed in just moments after a huge play.

As far as the sportsmanship, Crabtree should be just as lambasted for pushing Sherman's face away. Sherman was obviously getting a bit antagonistic when he was trying to shake hands and saying 'good game', but Crabtree just fed the beast with his reaction. Sherman's emotions got the best of him in the heat of the moment, but it's not like it was unprovoked. Crabtree is a trash talker, too, and this is just another chapter in their rivalry book.

In the big picture, this is good for the NFL. Sherman is not a criminal, does not have issues off the field, and is actually a positive force in his community and various charities. His story is one that can inspire inner city youths to value education and improve their lives, and that is certainly a good thing in this world.

Several good points.

Like I said before, I didn't really care about what was said in the interview due to reasons you stated. I only took issue with him running down Crabtree after the fact. You nailed it when you said the 'hand shake' was antagonizing Crabtree. The shove in the face would've never happened if the 'hand shake' never took place.

I don't mind players that are cocky, talk trash (in a competitive way) or think they're the best ever. I think it takes that kind of attitude to be successful in the game. But, running up on a guy after the game's a bit over the top for me.

In the end, I do think Crabtree's the douche of the two. This just struck a cord with me, that's all

In his own words and going by the pic taken, he was going up to tell him good game and shake his hand. If true, then Crabtree was the poor sport and has no class.

link (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-sherman-interview-michael-crabtree/)

Yeah, but to me it was obvious he was being a smartass about it. Like DB said above, he was antagonizing Crabtree

Texn4life
01-22-2014, 04:44 PM
Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!

HOU-TEX
01-22-2014, 04:56 PM
I'm very surprised and saddened after reading a lot of Tweets directed at him since that game. These internet tough guys calling him every racial name in the book.

I stand by my thoughts in this thread, but never once did I have enough hate to degrade him as a person or attack his skin color. Overall, he's a good dude.

TexansSeminole
01-22-2014, 04:58 PM
Just heard Richard Sherman's press conference. You can tell this whole thing has humbled him some. Honestly, I feel like what he said is overblown, but I didn't care for a lot of things he said and did in the past.

Today, he was funny, engaging, honest, open, and you can tell he's learned a lot over the past few days. I can get behind and support the guy I saw today. Nothing he did or said today was calculated or self serving. Great Job Richard! Hope this continues!

I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 05:01 PM
Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP
Richard Sherman says "thug is just a code word for the N-word."

And in sports "scrappy" is code for white guy (http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/january/your-white-guy-code-word-power-rankings.html).

Texn4life
01-22-2014, 05:08 PM
I saw that as well. He seems like a genuinely good guy that puts his everything into football and naturally can get emotional.

He hasn't always been that way though at times. Today I saw a different guy. A guy that's very likeable and seemed like he gets it now. I like his swagger on the field. I just didn't care for some of the other stuff he did, and he acknowledged his past mistakes in his press conference. I want to see more of this guy and not the guy trying so hard to self promote. He doesn't need to do that stuff anymore. He's good enough to where his play is enough promotion.

eriadoc
01-22-2014, 05:17 PM
Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP


And in sports "scrappy" is code for white guy (http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2014/january/your-white-guy-code-word-power-rankings.html).

Huh ... so all those times I thought Jack Lambert was a thug, I guess I was wrong. He was the wrong color. I guess he was a great guy after all!

StarStruck
01-22-2014, 06:05 PM
They weren't talking trash they were just killin' muff-huggas.

Of course, of course. But back then, Muhammad Ali talked enough trash for the entire wide world of sports.

Double Barrel
01-22-2014, 06:49 PM
Of course, of course. But back then, Muhammad Ali talked enough trash for the entire wide world of sports.

Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 07:26 PM
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.

Yep.

And we all know talking trash pays $$$. Anything to raise your profile, good or "bad guy", increases your income. The "look at me" mentality has worked for decades, even for a few who otherwise would not have succeeded.

DexmanC
01-22-2014, 07:30 PM
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.

Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant

toronto
01-22-2014, 07:34 PM
Many others have said it but I want to augment it from my profession's point of view.

One of my biggest jobs is to garner post-game reaction from pressers, scrums and podium. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a Richard Sherman, versus the cliche machines we have to listen to every other time.

Hockey? Get pucks in deep, one play, one period, one shift at a time...help the team win, anything for the team, respect for opponent etc

Baseball? Might as well yank out this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

Give me the raw honesty and passion of Richard Sherman ANYDAY. We need more of him, especially in my business.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-22-2014, 09:54 PM
And who better to play the hero than Peyton Manning? I really hope this Super Bowl comes down to the last play, because it could be epic.

Also, I gotta ask what the hell does "Your man... Pots and pans" mean?

Lol, I really don't know what it means. My old man says it to me all the time , my uncles and a few older cats I've met through the years,like a greeting but he says " my man pots and pans". So to counter it essentially I'm just saying " yeah yeah I'm your man pots and pans blah blah". Mostly used my males age 35-60

PHILLYTEXANFAN
01-22-2014, 09:57 PM
Crabtree is mediocre IMHO. Great hands though. When teams play sF the defense doesn't say " aww man, we gotta stop Crabtree". A guy like Sherman, offenses FEAR him

ThaShark316
01-23-2014, 01:43 AM
Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant

Dex, man (ha!)....that last paragraph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Marshall
01-23-2014, 05:07 AM
He hasn't always been that way though at times. Today I saw a different guy. A guy that's very likeable and seemed like he gets it now. I like his swagger on the field. I just didn't care for some of the other stuff he did, and he acknowledged his past mistakes in his press conference. I want to see more of this guy and not the guy trying so hard to self promote. He doesn't need to do that stuff anymore. He's good enough to where his play is enough promotion.

Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde scenario?

Marshall
01-23-2014, 05:08 AM
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.

He walked among his own.

Marshall
01-23-2014, 05:11 AM
Many others have said it but I want to augment it from my profession's point of view.

One of my biggest jobs is to garner post-game reaction from pressers, scrums and podium. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to have a Richard Sherman, versus the cliche machines we have to listen to every other time.

Hockey? Get pucks in deep, one play, one period, one shift at a time...help the team win, anything for the team, respect for opponent etc

Baseball? Might as well yank out this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8

Give me the raw honesty and passion of Richard Sherman ANYDAY. We need more of him, especially in my business.

Some people think Pro Wrestling is real too. That's entertainment!

Marshall
01-23-2014, 05:15 AM
Lol, I really don't know what it means. My old man says it to me all the time , my uncles and a few older cats I've met through the years,like a greeting but he says " my man pots and pans". So to counter it essentially I'm just saying " yeah yeah I'm your man pots and pans blah blah". Mostly used my males age 35-60

I'd guess that's a local phrase around the Philadelphia area. It's certainly different. It would be interesting to learn the roots of the phrase.

deucetx
01-23-2014, 07:43 AM
Well the mic's were on and it appears Sherman was not trying to taunt or antagonize Crabtree. He did exactly what he said. Ran over, patted Crabtree on the backside and extended his hand saying 'Hell of a game. Hell of a game.' And then of course got the hand to the face that sent him on a rant.

http://deadspin.com/sherman-crabtree-watch-and-listen-to-their-micd-up-hi-1507040069

infantrycak
01-23-2014, 08:09 AM
Ali was vil[]ified for being... a draft dodging convert to an unpopular religion. He also was ... a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime...who was adored as a boxer.

fify

NCTexan
01-23-2014, 10:31 AM
http://nextimpulsesports.com/2014/01/21/richard-shermans-gmail-inbox-todays-must-read/

It made me laugh.

matts290
01-23-2014, 02:10 PM
Interview Sherman gave right before the one with Erin Andrews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fU6hmKwydk

Marshall
01-23-2014, 02:16 PM
a draft dodging convert to an unpopular religion. He also was ... ...who was adored as a boxer.

fify

I remember him as an arrogant, loud mouthed, unappreciative self promoter who abandoned his mother, his country and his wife while adoring only himself. He was the modern Narcissus. I was thus, a big fan of Frazier or anybody else that could bring this phony down. The adoration makes me sick.

StarStruck
01-23-2014, 02:24 PM
I don't follow Seattle and was for the most part familiar with the names of a small number of their players. I kept thinking, why is the name Sherman sounding so familiar and trying to make the connection. Then at last, it hit me, it was the pick six that Schaub threw that he ran for a 50+ yard TD. When that happened, the fan/friend sitting next to me made the comment about Schaub throwing the interception to the best CB in the league.

Porky
01-23-2014, 02:59 PM
On the field should be on the field. Go all out, get emotional, pull, tear, fight, I don't care.

But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.

If you don't want to be called a thug, don't act like one.

I hope Manning tears him apart. That young man needs a strong dose of humble pie. I'm now rooting strongly for Denver.

Double Barrel
01-23-2014, 03:36 PM
Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

I know it's hard to tell us white folks apart, but many white people actually *gasp* LIKE Richard Sherman, even after this media blowup.

As evidenced in this thread, there are some white folks that see an individual and not a dude that happens to have more skin pigmentation that us.

But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.


So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?

I guess I need to tell that to all the little leaguers that have to shake hands after games.

Somehow I get the feeling that if this was Richard Sherman the Houston Texan you would not have much problem with it.

I'm a bigger fan of Richard Sherman now after seeing some of the people that chastise him. Sometimes the compass just needs to be pointed away from those that I would rather not be aligned with.

infantrycak
01-23-2014, 03:48 PM
So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?

I agree with your overall take.

Having said that, we well know that a transcript of the words won't reflect whether it was mocking/sarcastic.

My thought as it (Sherman trotting after and talking) was happening was "crap, he's gonna draw a flag."

I'll still be rooting for the Seahawks against the Broncos and if the cap allowed would love to have Sherman on the Texans.

deucetx
01-23-2014, 04:01 PM
On the field should be on the field. Go all out, get emotional, pull, tear, fight, I don't care.

But when the final bell rings, I was always taught that after the game, you showed good sportsmanship and class. And a lack of sportsmanship is ugly.

Sherman failed miserably at that, and is being rightly chastised.

If you don't want to be called a thug, don't act like one.

I hope Manning tears him apart. That young man needs a strong dose of humble pie. I'm now rooting strongly for Denver.

Kind of a good thing he doesn't act like one then, isn't it? That incident was no where near acting like a thug. Nor will it be so when his charity organization will present someone with a new wheelchair this weekend. He gives quite a bit of time to the community and has being doing so since voluneteering for Special Olympics back in high school. The 'thug' label is misplaced to say the least.

He apologized for it and said it was immature. What else you expect him to do? All a man can do is admit his wrong, apologize and move on. Time for others to do so too.

So trying to shake hands with your opponent while saying "helluva game, helluva game" is failing miserably at good sportsmanship?

I guess I need to tell that to all the little leaguers that have to shake hands after games.

Somehow I get the feeling that if this was Richard Sherman the Houston Texan you would not have much problem with it.

I'm a bigger fan of Richard Sherman now after seeing some of the people that chastise him. Sometimes the compass just needs to be pointed away from those that I would rather not be aligned with.

I have to agree. It's making me pull more for the Hawks now. I'd take Sherman on the Texans in a heartbeat. We could use some of that passion and intensity. Not to mention skillset.

Double Barrel
01-23-2014, 04:15 PM
I agree with your overall take.

Having said that, we well know that a transcript of the words won't reflect whether it was mocking/sarcastic.

My thought as it (Sherman trotting after and talking) was happening was "crap, he's gonna draw a flag."

I'll still be rooting for the Seahawks against the Broncos and if the cap allowed would love to have Sherman on the Texans.

I didn't know exactly what Sherman said until I saw the film on NFLN. Both players were miked up for the game. The Seahawks authorized release of the film/audio, but the 49ers blocked it for Crabtree.

NFLN also pointed out that Crabtree did not shake hands with anyone after the game. He made a beeline straight for the locker rooms with no attempts to mingle on the field.

If I had to guess, I'd say there was a little bit of antagonism in Sherman even approaching Crabtree after the game, but that is purely speculation on my part. However, he truly was not calling him out or anything, and his tone of voice honestly seemed like it was one of saying "good game".

Many people are trying to paint his outburst after the game as a WWE moment, but I don't buy it. WWE is very scripted and acted out. Sherman's outburst was spontaneous and emotional. It was raw in it's joy, anger, excitement, and fueled by adrenaline. He has said as much in his apologies.

Kind of a good thing he doesn't act like one then, isn't it? That incident was no where near acting like a thug. Nor will it be so when his charity organization will present someone with a new wheelchair this weekend. He gives quite a bit of time to the community and has being doing so since voluneteering for Special Olympics back in high school. The 'thug' label is misplaced to say the least.

He apologized for it and said it was immature. What else you expect him to do? All a man can do is admit his wrong, apologize and move on. Time for others to do so too.



I have to agree. It's making me pull more for the Hawks now. I'd take Sherman on the Texans in a heartbeat. We could use some of that passion and intensity. Not to mention skillset.

Great post, man. I think the "thug" tag is being overplayed by those that would probably use another word if they could get away with it.

Sherman has never been in trouble with the law. He's never had any off-the-field problems, afaik. His message to youth is always about education and self responsibility. He is a positive force in the world, regardless of what those that don't like him want to say. Actions over words, and Sherman's life exemplifies a guy that puts his time, money, and effort where his mouth is.

How the hell is an upstanding citizen with a strong opinion a so-called "thug"? DexmanC's message is right on the money in that regard. It's a code word that some hide behind for whatever reason(s).

People can say his mouth takes away from his volunteer work, but I disagree. I knew nothing of his charity work before this week, so his high profile is bringing people to his community work.

Showtime100
01-23-2014, 06:36 PM
Great point about Ali. Sherman has nothing on the word-smith that was Muhammad Ali. That dude walked circles around fools, both inside and outside of the ring.

Lol, Ali could be truculent. And if that was a good thing he was it. :D

(for the young'uns, google "Ali truculent" and surely something will come up) :)

guichows6
01-24-2014, 11:02 AM
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.

Texecutioner
01-24-2014, 11:18 AM
Ali was villified for being a self-confident, borderline-arrogant, powerfully masculine, elite Black male athlete, while in his prime.

Same rings true for the following:
Jack Johnson
Chad Johnson
Terrell Owens
Michael Vick
Floyd Mayweather
Anderson Silva
Jim Brown
Mike Tyson
Michael Irvin
Barry Bonds

Richard just needed to know that white folks in America like their Black athletes smiling, and quiet. This is true ESPECIALLY if their on-field performance is ELITE.

Ask the Williams Sisters about that. Ask Tiger Woods about that. Ask Michael Jordan about that. After Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, all I kept hearing about was how mean he was. Then, I watched it, and all I saw was him speaking his mind about everything his life was about in public, for once in his life. He made white folks uncomfortable, and they called him "mean."

When you hear "thug" attributed to a Black male with no criminal record or history of aberrant public behavior, KNOW that it IS an attempt by a racist to communicate his frustration, without using "THAT" word to do so.

/truthful rant

You never cease to amaze with your shameful rhetoric.

You make a post like this with Mike Tyson and Mike Vick as your examples? Might as well add Michael Jackson to that list and then you could have a triple crown of rapists. Oh, but Jim Brown is there, so that should be good enough to qualify since he has beaten more women probably than any other athlete.

And this is who you use as examples? Dex you are a total detriment to your message.

And Anderson Silva? He isn't black you dolt. He is Brazilian and has nothing to do with American blacks. lol!

Texecutioner
01-24-2014, 11:30 AM
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.

What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.

Texn4life
01-24-2014, 12:10 PM
What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.

With all due respect Tex I think he really may be a kid. Cut him a break.

Texecutioner
01-24-2014, 12:26 PM
With all due respect Tex I think he really may be a kid. Cut him a break.

I wouldn't argue with that theory.

StarStruck
01-24-2014, 01:04 PM
When did this perception of old school cordial behavior come about?

guichows6
01-24-2014, 02:43 PM
What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.

Well ok then old fellers. ..I guess I'm just a lost child. Ill be that. It still doesn't change the fact that you are a hater. Why does sherman have to be like you and be respectful when a sorry wide receiver like Crabtree has been talking crap all game? All the great ones have been caught being "unclassy" at some point in their careers. They didnt grow up learning about life with a silver spoon in their mouths. (Most of the great ones at least). And even if they did, when you are passionate about something, passion will come out of your mouth when your adrenaline is in full effect mode. Im not trying to make this a race thing, but if tom brady or Peyton manning had said that I doubt they would be labeled a "thug". If the black man comes out yelling like sherman did, immediately he's a thug. Erin Andrews got scared and probably thought sherman was about to knife her down by the way she reacted. If it were a white guy I doubt her reaction would of been the same. Im just saying. There is a double standard and if you disagree thats fine, but imo blind.

guichows6
01-24-2014, 02:56 PM
i dont recall ever being so irked at someone. everything this guy says, writes, does on the field just hits me the wrong way. oh i just remembered somebody as i am writing this. T.O, when he did crappola on the star. but even to and chad johnson didnt piss me off as much as this dude.
ive never wished an injury on any football player, but i hope this dude tears an acl in the sb.:pissed:

You sir, need to take a chill pill. Its football. Why get upset at it? Sports are just entertainment. If people dont like how sherman acted guess what? Its ok. Your life is not in danger..oh your kids are are now being badly influenced? Your the parent, teach them the right way of life then according to you..

P.s. my reply isn't all directed toward you. Just talking in general

Texecutioner
01-24-2014, 03:07 PM
Well ok then old fellers. ..I guess I'm just a lost child. Ill be that. It still doesn't change the fact that you are a hater.

How so? If you read my post I stated that I found Sherman to be an exciting player and I didn't have a problem with him or his antics. Sorry, that you were to busy wanting to use the "hater" label and somehow missed that. You see when that is your only argument to call someone a hater, well it does make you seem childish as I said before. Calling someone a hater is simply lazy and it also makes you seem like one as well because you are "hating" on anyone else's opinion that is different than yours.


Why does sherman have to be like you and be respectful when a sorry wide receiver like Crabtree has been talking crap all game?

I agree with you. He doesn't have to. I think Crabtree is an ass myself, but that doesn't mean that Sherman has to be one himself? That also doesn't mean that he can't rub it in his nose in a competitive game either. I don't see anything different or overboard from what Sherman did than what I've seen in tons of other games. But I also realize that some people can't stand that kind of sportsmanship no matter who it comes from and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why that might irritate some people.


All the great ones have been caught being "unclassy" at some point in their careers. They didnt grow up learning about life with a silver spoon in their mouths. (Most of the great ones at least). And even if they did, when you are passionate about something, passion will come out of your mouth when your adrenaline is in full effect mode. Im not trying to make this a race thing, but if tom brady or Peyton manning had said that I doubt they would be labeled a "thug".

Well sorry, but you just did and you sound even younger than I thought. And to bring up Tom Brady here is about as inaccurate as you could be. Brady has caught a ton of flack over the years for some of the silliest stuff as well. Tom Brady was highly criticized when he had two women pregnant. People bash Tom Brady all of the time and he was listed as one of the most hated players in the league by fans that is all mainly because he wins games every year, so this is really bad example for you to try and use the race card.



If the black man comes out yelling like sherman did, immediately he's a thug. Erin Andrews got scared and probably thought sherman was about to knife her down by the way she reacted. If it were a white guy I doubt her reaction would of been the same. Im just saying. There is a double standard and if you disagree thats fine, but imo blind.

:vincepalm: Seriously just put the shovel away and stop digging. The straw man in your argument is about as sturdy as a scarecrow.

DexmanC
01-24-2014, 03:59 PM
That interview he did with Skip Bayless...

"In my 24 years of life. I'm better at life than you."

Bayless - "Are you better than Revis?"

Sherman - "I'm better than YOU."

Hilarious.

Double Barrel
01-24-2014, 04:44 PM
When did this perception of old school cordial behavior come about?

I've wondered the same thing, StarStruck. There seems to be a general misconception that players used to roast marshmallows and sing "Kumbaya" at halftime with each other.

I guess Broadway Joe Namath was "thug" before it was cool with all the trash talking he did before Super Bowl III. Heck, he even guaranteed a victory the week before the game.

Here's an article from a couple of years ago celebrating the best trash talkers in sports: Smack Talk: The 20 Best Trash Talkers in Sports History (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/835816-smack-talk-the-twenty-best-trash-talkers-in-sports-history#articles/835816-smack-talk-the-twenty-best-trash-talkers-in-sports-history)

Then there's USA Today's All-time NFL trash-talk team (http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nfl/2014/01/22/all-time-nfl-trash-talk-team/4787087/).

Some people seem to have very short memories.


That interview he did with Skip Bayless...

"In my 24 years of life. I'm better at life than you."

Bayless - "Are you better than Revis?"

Sherman - "I'm better than YOU."

Hilarious.

That's when Sherman really showed up on my radar. Bayless is a peckerwood, and Sherman putting him in his place was classic and immediately made me like the guy.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 10:11 PM
That interview he did with Skip Bayless...

"In my 24 years of life. I'm better at life than you."

Bayless - "Are you better than Revis?"

Sherman - "I'm better than YOU."

Hilarious.
I forgot about that. That was so money.

Showtime100
01-24-2014, 10:54 PM
I've wondered the same thing, StarStruck. There seems to be a general misconception that players used to roast marshmallows and sing "Kumbaya" at halftime with each other.

I guess Broadway Joe Namath was "thug" before it was cool with all the trash talking he did before Super Bowl III. Heck, he even guaranteed a victory the week before the game.

That's when Sherman really showed up on my radar. Bayless is a peckerwood, and Sherman putting him in his place was classic and immediately made me like the guy.

Well, not really. I don't you got where "talking trash" from. IIRC, he was at a banquet of some kind and was asked by a Colts fan who basically prefaced the question "do you think you can win" with saying the Jets didn't have a chance. Any athlete worth his salt would have said "yes" in response to the question. The part where he guaranteed it was almost certainly in response to how the question was presented. I'd have said it too if I were Namath under the circumstances.

I am like you in my thoughts about Bayless. He represents the worst of what reporters are and have been over the years. Nothing good comes to mind when I see him or his name, but "peckerwood"??? :lol:

Double Barrel
01-27-2014, 04:30 PM
Well, not really. I don't you got where "talking trash" from. IIRC, he was at a banquet of some kind and was asked by a Colts fan who basically prefaced the question "do you think you can win" with saying the Jets didn't have a chance. Any athlete worth his salt would have said "yes" in response to the question. The part where he guaranteed it was almost certainly in response to how the question was presented. I'd have said it too if I were Namath under the circumstances.

I am like you in my thoughts about Bayless. He represents the worst of what reporters are and have been over the years. Nothing good comes to mind when I see him or his name, but "peckerwood"??? :lol:

By today's standards it is not considered trash talking in hindsight.

However, at the time, it was controversial and certainly considered unsportsmanlike by many of the old guard NFL.

This was when the AFL was still considered a sub-par league and many did not think they deserved to play on the same field as the NFL.

Joe Namath's mouth wrote a check that he cashed on the field.

According to USA Today, Namath is on the All-time NFL trash-talk team (http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nfl/2014/01/22/all-time-nfl-trash-talk-team/4787087/).

Here's some more information to understand perceptions and attitudes of the day:

Broadway Joe delivers (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/broadway-joe-delivers)

Namath’s brash confidence was never more on display than in a public appearance in the days leading up to Super Bowl III, when he assured a heckler that the Jets (19-point underdogs) would beat the Colts (reputedly the best team in NFL history), even going so far as to say "I guarantee it." Namath’s trash-talking drew criticism from many in the NFL, who doubted his ability and insisted the AFL could not really compete with the older, more established NFL.

Not a banquet, but a bar and a heckler.


The famous prediction was in fact Namath’s frustrated response to simple trash-talk in a bar in the lead up to the game. He was sick of the disrespect he and his team were getting, may well have had some booze in his system and probably thought the statement would be forgotten. If the Jets had been thrashed as they should have been few would even have remembered the guarantee.

Source (http://www.sportinglife360.com/index.php/joe-namath-icon-biography-3629/)

And "peckerwood" for Bayless because I like to whip out those old tags that used to get thrown around when I was a kid. :D

Even funnier (to me, at least) is typing "skip bayless peckerwood" into Google and finding this:

RT @ErnestAnthony (http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/weekly-skip-bayless-merged-thread-139038/index5.html): I think it's impressive the way you guys always find a way to win. Skip Bayless is a peckerwood and needs to be slapped

Apparently I'm not the only one that put the two together! :howdy:

Showtime100
01-27-2014, 05:54 PM
By today's standards it is not considered trash talking in hindsight.

However, at the time, it was controversial and certainly considered unsportsmanlike by many of the old guard NFL.

This was when the AFL was still considered a sub-par league and many did not think they deserved to play on the same field as the NFL.

Joe Namath's mouth wrote a check that he cashed on the field.

According to USA Today, Namath is on the All-time NFL trash-talk team (http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nfl/2014/01/22/all-time-nfl-trash-talk-team/4787087/).

Here's some more information to understand perceptions and attitudes of the day:



Not a banquet, but a bar and a heckler.




And "peckerwood" for Bayless because I like to whip out those old tags that used to get thrown around when I was a kid. :D

Even funnier (to me, at least) is typing "skip bayless peckerwood" into Google and finding this:



Apparently I'm not the only one that put the two together! :howdy:

Agreed, brash by the day's standards. I was just pointing out it was an example of the press blowing it out of proportion, even for that time. (say it ain't so, right?..lol)

Namath actually said in an interview I saw years ago (no link, sorry) that it was the Miami Touchdown Club Banquet (or something like that) but he was probably drunk and didn't know where he was. :D :D

As far as "peckerwood" goes, that word has always cracked me up. I don't know why. :gamer:

BullNation4Life
01-31-2014, 02:16 PM
Love me some Sherminator! I wish the Texans has 5 just like him on defense, they could use some REAL swag on this pathetic excuse of a team...


Unlike our current DB's that talk smack while getting their asses handed to them on their way to a 14 game losing streak...See DJ Swearinger...

Playoffs
02-03-2014, 02:19 PM
Sherman says (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/03/richard-sherman-super-bowl-48-seattle-seahawks/) “the NFC Championship was the Super Bowl. The 49ers were the second-best team in the NFL.”

Hervoyel
02-04-2014, 10:28 AM
Anyone that has a problem with Sherman is just a hater. Not everyone is like you. People are different and they act different. Hes done more good for this world in his 24 yrs of life then any of you haters ever will. Smh.

What a lazy way of thinking. Oh, anyone who doesn't like a guy who acts like a total ass is a hater? What are you 12?

I have no problem with Sherman and I find his play to be very exciting. However he does act like an ass and I can understand why people are turned off by it. The criticism may be way over board, but to call anyone a hater who doesn't agree with his antics sounds childish. A lot of people are naive to what is said on the field and some people are just old school and believe in respect and sportsmanship. God forbid that idealism stays alive. I disagree with all of the whining about Sherman especially when it is towards a guy like Crabtree who has been a jerk for years. I also understand why it bothers people a little though. It isn't hard to understand.

hater :whip:

Hervoyel
02-04-2014, 11:08 AM
When did this perception of old school cordial behavior come about?

For my part I don't think of it as an aspect of being "old school". There aren't any more guys out there today running their mouths and acting out than there were back in the day. Maybe more attention is paid to them by the fans because we get more coverage than ever before but there are still plenty of guys who go out and play quietly and professionally just like there have always been.

I just tend to prefer and have more respect for athletes that conduct themselves in a more dignified manner. Sherman is a guy who impresses me with his abilities but I turn the channel when someone jams a microphone in his face. I did that with TO, Chad Johnson, and pretty much every other "look at me" guy who has come down the road. I'm just not interested in what they have to say.

Double Barrel
02-04-2014, 11:16 AM
Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin (among others) were talkers two decades ago. This is nothing new under the sun.

At least with a guy like Sherman, he's extremely intelligent and has the ability to step back and admit when he feels like he's crossed a line.

StarStruck
02-04-2014, 01:53 PM
For my part I don't think of it as an aspect of being "old school". There aren't any more guys out there today running their mouths and acting out than there were back in the day. Maybe more attention is paid to them by the fans because we get more coverage than ever before but there are still plenty of guys who go out and play quietly and professionally just like there have always been.

I just tend to prefer and have more respect for athletes that conduct themselves in a more dignified manner. Sherman is a guy who impresses me with his abilities but I turn the channel when someone jams a microphone in his face. I did that with TO, Chad Johnson, and pretty much every other "look at me" guy who has come down the road. I'm just not interested in what they have to say.

I believe there were more back in the day because the consequences weren't as strict. Dancing, celebrating, trash talking, hell raising was a part of the make up. No, of course not everyone, and probably not the majority, but individuality was respected more then than now. During the Oiler days, Earl Campbell received the utmost respect, yet Billy Whiteshoes, Kenny Stabler and other notorious teammates weren't criticized for their different approach in and to the game. Ha ha, but I do recall when Stabler retired Bud Adams said that he preferred a quarterback that didn't read his plays by the light on the jukebox. That lasted about two weeks before he found his way to the waters of Alabama to beg Stabler out of retirement. Many matured over the years and, Michal Irving, for example still shows flashes of personality, but as close as it gets to a 180 transformation. Probably today he would have been cut and blacklisted.

Playoffs
02-04-2014, 05:00 PM
Sherman says (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/03/richard-sherman-super-bowl-48-seattle-seahawks/) “the NFC Championship was the Super Bowl. The 49ers were the second-best team in the NFL.”

Still talking... (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/04/sherman-claims-the-seahawks-cracked-the-manning-code/)
“We knew what route concepts they liked on different downs, so we jumped all the routes,” Sherman told TheMMQB.com after Sunday’s win.

“Then we figured out the hand signals for a few of the route audibles in the first half. . . . Me, Earl [Thomas], Kam [Chancellor] . . . we’re not just three All-Pro players. We’re three All-Pro minds. Now, if Peyton had thrown in some double moves, if he had gone out of character, we could’ve been exposed.”

Playoffs
05-07-2014, 01:43 PM
NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL
BREAKING: Seahawks CB Richard Sherman announces he has signed a 4-year, $57.4M extension including $40M guaranteed.

Double Barrel
05-07-2014, 05:12 PM
I will not be surprised if the Seahawks are the next NFL dynasty. Great franchise.

IDEXAN
05-08-2014, 09:33 AM
"No I don't . Because we have an NFL team called the Redskins," Sherman said. "I don't think the NFL really is as concerned as they show. [B]The NFL is more of a bottom-line league. If it doesn't affect their bottom line, they're not as concerned."

The Seahawks cornerback, fresh off signing a $57 million contract on Wednesday, said he'd like the Sterling situation to be the impetus for the Redskins to change their name -- or at least restart the conversation.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24553967/richard-sherman-nfl-wouldnt-have-banned-donald-sterling-for-life
***
I smell hypocrisy here as slick-talking Richard Sherman disparagingly refers to the NFL as a bottom-line league right after bottom-line NFL player Richard Sherman signed a new contract worth 40 million guaranteed.

Playoffs
05-08-2014, 09:42 AM
The Seahawks cornerback, fresh off signing a $57 million contract on Wednesday, said he'd like the Sterling situation to be the impetus for the Redskins to change their name -- or at least restart the conversation...
So now he's the Commissioner?

2012Champs
05-08-2014, 12:36 PM
I will not be surprised if the Seahawks are the next NFL dynasty. Great franchise.

The next year or so will be interesting when it comes time to pay Wilson

Double Barrel
05-08-2014, 12:41 PM
The next year or so will be interesting when it comes time to pay Wilson

Without a doubt. Fortunately for the Seahawks, they've got him under the rookie contract for 2-3 more years before even considering a franchise tag. They will most likely want to take care of him before that point, though, so it will certainly be interesting to see it all pans out.

mattieuk
05-08-2014, 12:49 PM
Without a doubt. Fortunately for the Seahawks, they've got him under the rookie contract for 2-3 more years before even considering a franchise tag. They will most likely want to take care of him before that point, though, so it will certainly be interesting to see it all pans out.

There are 2 more years for his rookie deal which expires on May 7th 2016 (on a $2.99 contract). I think they'll likely try and get something done next offseason with Russ. Obviously at the moment he will be more valued, coming off a Superbowl win. If they bring it home again next season, they could be in for an awkward negotiation.

That said, Wilson is far from the most unreplacable QB in the NFL. They play a system in Seattle, and Wilson fits it perfectly, however really isn't asked to do a whole lot - but makes big plays when needed. That is why I think Seattle has the best chance of a repeat championship - they are the most complete team in the league, from their secondary, to their O-line there are no gaps in that team - which has a low amount of overpaid prima donnas.

Double Barrel
05-08-2014, 12:59 PM
There are 2 more years for his rookie deal which expires on May 7th 2016 (on a $2.99 contract). I think they'll likely try and get something done next offseason with Russ. Obviously at the moment he will be more valued, coming off a Superbowl win. If they bring it home again next season, they could be in for an awkward negotiation.

That said, Wilson is far from the most unreplacable QB in the NFL. They play a system in Seattle, and Wilson fits it perfectly, however really isn't asked to do a whole lot - but makes big plays when needed. That is why I think Seattle has the best chance of a repeat championship - they are the most complete team in the league, from their secondary, to their O-line there are no gaps in that team - which has a low amount of overpaid prima donnas.

yep. Two more years, and is there an option for a 5th year for a 3rd round pick? I'm not knee deep in contract stuff, so just curious and kinda' assumed there would be that option.

And I agree with your second paragraph, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they return to the championship game this year or next. They've truly built a great team that works together as a team. They've got something special going on up there, especially with regards to great talent and the chemistry between them.

The next contract for Wilson should be very interesting. Obvious the guy will want to be paid, but he's not considered elite, and he really appears to be the kind of player that will want to stay in Seattle. A so-called 'hometown discount' would not surprise me to keep the nucleus of the team intact.

mattieuk
05-08-2014, 01:17 PM
yep. Two more years, and is there an option for a 5th year for a 3rd round pick? I'm not knee deep in contract stuff, so just curious and kinda' assumed there would be that option.

And I agree with your second paragraph, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they return to the championship game this year or next. They've truly built a great team that works together as a team. They've got something special going on up there, especially with regards to great talent and the chemistry between them.

The next contract for Wilson should be very interesting. Obvious the guy will want to be paid, but he's not considered elite, and he really appears to be the kind of player that will want to stay in Seattle. A so-called 'hometown discount' would not surprise me to keep the nucleus of the team intact.

I'm with you on not being a contract geek - I'm just using the 3 liner reports for his contract. I presume there would be a desire to get him locked down by Seattle by that point anyway, as we've both mentioned, so it likely wouldn't come to that.

Re: your second paragraph, the only one person who I think could be taken out of the mix in Seattle which would derail their season is Pete Carroll. He has a bunch of grown men playing with the passion and fun that you see from college guys. A know a lot of guys aren't supporters of his - however I really think the reaction from the players there to his style of coaching has been superb.

I can totally see him taking a hometown discount - however the only issue might arise if there is a team who is desperate to get a mobile style QB. I think Russell will happily take 2-3 million less to stay in Seattle - however if there is a team offering a Brady scale contract, there is no way he'd be able to turn that down (and IMO, no way that Seattle would/could match).

Playoffs
06-06-2014, 07:37 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
And the Madden Cover -- blessing or curse -- goes to...Seahawks CB Richard Sherman. #MaddenCover

Double Barrel
06-09-2014, 11:40 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

And the Madden Cover -- blessing or curse -- goes to...Seahawks CB Richard Sherman. #MaddenCover


I voted for him. :D a couple of times!

htownfan32
06-10-2014, 02:05 PM
I'm curious... did people vote him in hoping for an injury or did they vote him in because they like him?

Edit: not aimed at you, DB, just speaking in general terms about how polarizing the dude is.

Double Barrel
06-10-2014, 02:23 PM
I'm curious... did people vote him in hoping for an injury or did they vote him in because they like him?

Edit: not aimed at you, DB, just speaking in general terms about how polarizing the dude is.

I voted for him because I like him. He entertains me.

And tbh, I'm not the biggest Cam Newton fan. That Superman thing he does just annoys me.

I think Calvin Johnson broke the so-called "Madden curse". He smashed records that year, and his team even went to the playoffs after a 4-12 season.