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IDEXAN
01-20-2014, 09:46 AM
http://www.seniorbowl.com/
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First practice today and is scheduled to have TV coverage by the NFL Network.
Don't see the big Aggie OT on either roster, was thinking he's a senior ? Def a
smart move to skip this game if you are eligible and happen to find yourself in the position that Matthews is.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 09:54 AM
Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert, Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde, Florida State S Lamarcus Joyner, Buffalo LB Khalil Mack, Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews, Alabama QB A.J. McCarron, Alabama LB C.J. Mosley and Stanford LB Shane Skov are all healthy scratches from the game.

For Matthews projected in the Top 5, there's no percentage in participating.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 10:01 AM
Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert, Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde, Florida State S Lamarcus Joyner, Buffalo LB Khalil Mack, Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews, Alabama QB A.J. McCarron, Alabama LB C.J. Mosley and Stanford LB Shane Skov are all healthy scratches from the game.

For Matthews projected in the Top 5, there's no percentage in participating.

I understand some of these guys not wanting to risk getting hurt, but some of them could really earn some money this week. There are plenty of players who shot up the boards after a good week of practice during Senior Bowl. Although I understand, I'd still like to see these guys compete.

IDEXAN
01-20-2014, 10:18 AM
I understand some of these guys not wanting to risk getting hurt, but some of them could really earn some money this week. There are plenty of players who shot up the boards after a good week of practice during Senior Bowl. Although I understand, I'd still like to see these guys compete.
I don't think it's concerns about possible injury as much as concerns that poor play, to include the one-on-one drills, will hurt the players current rankings. If a big-name OT like Matthews for example goes out there and gets beat in drills vs somebody no ones heard of he might not be a top 5 prospect anymore. On the other hand if a player is a relative unknown it's a chance to make a name and ascend in the rankings.
Last year many people never heard of Central Michigan OT Eric Fischer, but he performed so well especially in the one-on-ones drills during the week prior to the game vs the pass-rushers that he ended up being the #1 overall in last years NFL Draft.

Texian
01-20-2014, 10:22 AM
Some boys with small hands?

Walter Cherepinsky ‏@walterfootball 12m

#SeniorBowl QBs: Aaron Murray and Derek Carr with small hands. Logan Thomas has the largest - http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinQB.php

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 10:23 AM
Senior Bowl Weigh In (http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php)

QBs...
Player/School/Height/Weight/Arm/Hand

Tajh Boyd Clemson/6006/222/30 1/2/9 3/8
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Derek Carr Fresno State/6021/215/31 1/4/9 1/8
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David Fales San Jose State/6013/220/31 1/8/9 1/4
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Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois/6022/219/30 1/4/9
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Stephen Morris Miami/6016/208/31 7/8/10 1/8
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Aaron Murray Georgia/6003/201/29 3/4/9 1/8
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Logan Thomas Virginia Tech/6056/250/33/10 3/4
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2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Quarterbacks (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinQB.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Running Backs (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinRB.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Wide Receivers (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinWR.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Tight Ends (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinTE.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Offensive Linemen (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinOL.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Defensive Linemen (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinDL.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Linebackers (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinLB.php)

2014 Senior Bowl Weigh-In: Defensive Backs (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinDB.php)

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 10:30 AM
I don't think it's concerns about possible injury as much as concerns that poor play, to include the one-on-one drills, will hurt the players current rankings. If a big-name OT like Matthews for example goes out there and gets beat in drills vs somebody no ones heard of he might not be a top 5 prospect anymore. On the other hand if a player is a relative unknown it's a chance to make a name and ascend in the rankings.
Last year many people never heard of Central Michigan OT Eric Fischer, but he performed so well especially in the one-on-ones drills during the week prior to the game vs the pass-rushers that he ended up being the #1 overall in last years NFL Draft.

And to me, this is exactly the wrong mentality to have. As a competitor I would feel like I could go there and have a great week like Fisher did and Tomlinson many years ago and make myself millions. I understand Matthews not going because he's a lock to be a top 5 pick. Some of these other guys sitting out aren't even locks for the 1st round.

JB
01-20-2014, 10:32 AM
Some boys with small hands?

Walter Cherepinsky ‏@walterfootball 12m

#SeniorBowl QBs: Aaron Murray and Derek Carr with small hands. Logan Thomas has the largest - http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014weighinQB.php



Looks to me that Garoppolo has the smallest

Texian
01-20-2014, 10:36 AM
Another updated site: http://draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 10:45 AM
DL notables: Height, weight, arm, hand, wingspan

• Aaron Donald/Pittsburgh 6-0⅞, 288
31
9⅞
77⅜

• Dee Ford/Auburn 6-2⅛, 243
32
10
77⅛

• Ra'Shede Hageman/Minnesota 6-6, 318
33
9⅝
81

• Trent Murphy/Stanford 6-5⅜, 252
33⅛
10⅞
80⅜

• Will Sutton/Arizona St. 6-0, 315
30⅝
9⅝
76⅛

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 11:18 AM
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Both Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith are at the senior bowl weigh in right now. #Texans

mussop
01-20-2014, 11:22 AM
If Mathews is smart he will skip the combine.

IDEXAN
01-20-2014, 11:53 AM
And to me, this is exactly the wrong mentality to have. As a competitor I would feel like I could go there and have a great week like Fisher did and Tomlinson many years ago and make myself millions. I understand Matthews not going because he's a lock to be a top 5 pick. Some of these other guys sitting out aren't even locks for the 1st round.
He wasn't a highly rated prospect this time last year while Matthews is today.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 12:11 PM
Underwear winners/losers! (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24414844/nfl-draft-senior-bowl-weigh-in-winners-and-losers) :hurrah:

Players are listed alphabetically within each group.

Winners: http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/Smileys/ExcellentSmileys1/smile.gif

Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State: At a shade under six-foot-1 and 216 pounds, Bucannon certainly passed the eyeball test, sporting a muscled-up frame that stood out in comparison to the other safeties in this game. With a 78" wingspan, Bucannon also had the widest wingspan of any of the safeties measured.

Kadeem Edwards, OL, Tennessee State: Scouts love linemen with long arms and Edwards possesses the longest of any of the athletes measured today at the Senior, measuring in at 34.5 inches. The 6-foot-4 and 1/8" Edwards also showed good weight distribution with a relatively trim middle at 308 pounds.

Ra'Shede Hagemen, DT, Minnesota: Another highly regarded lineman who showed impressive weight distribution was Hagemen, who measured in at exactly 6-foot-6 inches and 318 pounds. His arms (33 3/4") were also among the longest of any of the defensive tackles measured Monday.

Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt: Considering his success in the SEC, perhaps it isn't surprising that Matthews looked the part of a future high NFL pick but some of the conference's biggest names weren't nearly as well-built as the Commodores' star receiver, who sported a chiseled 6-foot-2 (and 5/8"), 209-pound frame, long arms (32 5/8") and big hands (10.5").

Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton: One could quickly tell that Reid spent more than his share of time in the weight room rather than just in the library as the Ivy Leaguer showed off a surprisingly well-built frame at 6-foot-2 (and 1/8") and 301 pounds. While perhaps a bit shorter than scouts would like, Reid's impressive frame and adequate arm length (32 5/8") helped the small-schooler stand out amongst FBS stars.

Losers: http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/Smileys/ExcellentSmileys1/sad.gif

Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin: Borland has been compared to former Miami Dolphins' stud linebacker Zach Thomas for much of his career and his instincts and open-field tackling ability warrant the mention. He looked smaller on stage than his official height (5-foot-11 and 3/8) and weight (245), however, and tied with former teammate, running back James White, with the shortest arms of any player measured Monday (28 5/8").

Adrian Hubbard, OLB/DE, Alabama: Scouts will be intrigued with Hubbard's length at nearly 6-foot-6 but there was surprisingly little muscular development on his 255-pound frame. For a player coming off a disappointing junior season and yet elected to enter the NFL draft with a year of collegiate eligibility remaining, it wasn't the best impression to make.

Jalen Saunders, WR, Oklahoma: It is a big man's game and to the surprise of no one, Saunders came in the smallest of any player at this year's Senior Bowl. Saunders came in just under 5-foot-9 inches (officially 5-08 and 3/4") and 164 pounds. He also possesses small hands (8 3/4) and short arms (28 7/8).

Telvin Smith, ILB, Florida State: Smith's speed is certain to get him drafted but teams may have to move him outside or perhaps drop him back to safety with a frame that looks packed out at 218 pounds.

Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State: Though he was listed at 265 pounds for much of his career with the Sun Devils, scouts knew that Sutton was in fact much bigger. He gained more weight for his senior season and wasn't as effective in 2013, despite the fact that he was rewarded with the conference's Defensive Player of the Year. Some of that extra weight was clearly around his middle as Sutton weighed in at 315 pounds at just under 6-foot-1. Worse, his 30 5/8" arms were the shortest of any of the defensive tackles measured Monday.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 12:11 PM
He wasn't a highly rated prospect this time last year while Matthews is today.

I think you're missing my point. I understand that. I'm saying I can understand why guys like Matthews would sit out. He's pretty much locked into the top 5 unless he bombs testing out or they find some freak injury or something. Neither Fisher or Tomlinson were thought of as top 5 picks before the Senior Bowl. They both had great weeks to get them to that position.

Fisher wasn't in that position last year and impressed a lot of people much like a lot of these guys could do. Especially a guy like McCarron who lost his last 2 games, and questions have started to arise about how he deals with pressure in his face. Some of these players are missing out on a great opportunity to elevate themselves and make some money over the week.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 01:16 PM
Brandt: 5 under-the-radar prospects at the Senior Bowl (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315663/article/brandt-5-undertheradar-prospects-at-the-senior-bowl)
I came out with my top 50 NFL prospects last week and a good number of them come from the 98 underclassmen who left school early to enter the 2014 draft.

There are some very good senior prospects on the list as well, many who are participating at this week's Reese's Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Ala., like Fresno State QB Derek Carr and Oklahoma CB Aaron Colvin.

Does being named Senior Bowl MVP lead to success in the NFL? You be the judge as we take a look back at the most recent Senior Bowl MVPs.
Here are five very good players that didn't make my top 50 but are worth keeping an eye on this week at the Senior Bowl, and who could help their draft stock with good showings:

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, DB, Nebraska
Jean-Baptiste has rare size (6-foot-2 3/8, 215)...

Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
Most of the attention on the Vols' offensive line...

Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia
Sims will be the best running back...

Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Some believe Martin (6-5 7/8, 272) should have entered the 2013 draft...

Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
BYU coaches I've talked to rave about...

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 02:26 PM
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Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Trent Murphy wasn't impressive today. Strong concerns about where you play him in NFL. Not athletic enough for LB, not strong enough for DE?

Logan Thomas threw some strikes that hit the WRs numbers. But he also threw some that bounced/sailed past the WR. Consistently inconsistent

Tajh's accuracy/ball placement was all over the place. He appeared to regress in this area in 2013. Tajh needs to bounce back on Tuesday

I'm going to try to not beat up on the North QBs too much, but they were tough to watch today (Tajh Boyd, Logan Thomas, Morris) #SeniorBowl

This SR class lacks a surefire 1st round WR, but I love the value guys in rounds 3-5 (Abbrederis, Herron, Huff, Grant, etc.)

Wasn't in my review, but my guy Zach Martin had a very good practice at LT today. I still think he's the best guard in this class though...

Among my top-10 observations: the North QBs REALLY struggled...WRs stepping up...DT Justin Ellis continues where he left off #SeniorBowl

Also, check out @RobRang top-10 observations from the South Practice: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24415146/senior-bowl-10-observations-from-mondays-south-practice …

My top 10 observations from #SeniorBowl North practice: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24415252/senior-bowl-10-observations-from-mondays-north-practice …

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Aaron Donald is a twitched up dude! The Geno Atkins comparisons were flying all over the place in my talks with personnel friends.

Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford gets overpowered at times but he has an explosive get off in pass situations. Nice inside counter move too

I didn't see the West practice but a bunch of scouts were buzzing about Princeton DT Caraun Reid.

Aaron Donald took batting practice against Cyril Richardson today.

CSU Center Weston Richburg is a solid player on tape and he had a good day today...Quick feet, balance and anchor.

Big fan of Northern Illinois safety Jimmie Ward. Lacks ideal size but he's very instinctive and he has the fluidity to cover the slot.

Bucky Brooks ‏@BuckyBrooks
The @seniorbowl is loaded w/talent at WR, but no one has been more impressive than Robert Herron (88). Super fast!

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Minnesota DT Hageman really impressed me today. Violent. Did a good job exploding low. Needs to get free better as a pass rusher, but wow.

Miami QB Stephen Morris noticeably worse than Boyd and Thomas as a Passer today. Not fluid, no placement.

A few standouts from today: Dee Ford, Aaron Donald, Aaron Colvin, Walt Aiken, Kyle Van Noy, Derek Carr, Ahmad Dixon. @seniorbowl

Kevin Weidl ‏@KevinW_ESPN
On the OL ND OT Zack Martin and OSU OT Jack Mewhort were very steady today. Both played w/ balance and showed nice patience in sets.

Urban is exactly how you draw them up and Donald's snap anticipation is on another level from the

Watched the trenches today. UVA DE Urban, Cal DT Coleman, Pitt DT Donald and Minn DT Hageman showed well on the DL.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Cyril had no answers for Aaron Donald today. Very difficult matchup for him. As I wrote prior to the week, Brandon Thomas > Richardson.

Chris Steuber ‏@ChrisSteuber
I'm hearing a lot of good things about Stanley Jean-Baptiste at #SeniorBowl. I've been on this kid for 2 months. Aqib Talib-like ability.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
Aaron Donald putting on a show in 1 on 1 pass rush drills at North Practice. #H2P

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Media not allowed on the sidelines at Ladd Peebles stadium for North practices.

Bucky Brooks ‏@BuckyBrooks
@LSUfball S Craig Loston has intriguing physical tools. Needs to show better consistency in his play @seniorbowl

Pretty solid showing for @OU_Football CB Aaron Colvin @seniorbowl today. Nice feet & hips. Smooth in transitions.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
What I like even more? Hear that he is an exceptional kid and teammate. #ProgramBuilder

Have liked #Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford since 1st game I saw him play in'13, and he didn't disappoint today in practice. Lightening-quick.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Zack Martin is my top OL prospect in Mobile but NDSU OL Billy Turner might be my No. 2. Powerful hands and mean. Love this kid #SeniorBowl
The Sideline View ‏@SidelineFB
UVA's Brent Urban looked fantastic early in practice and then seemed to gas. At. 6'6 / 298, teams will be intrigued by his potential.

NDSU OT Billy Turner got chewed on pretty good by coaching staff during one on one run drills but looked much better in scrimmage portion.

Arkansas center Travis Swanson was very average looking to me. Cal DT Deandre Coleman impressed me with his ability to move for his 315 LB frame

FSU center Brian Stork did a really nice job of dropping anchor and bracing in pass pro against bigger guys.

Good day in one on one drills in run and pass for Will Sutton. If he loses weight and locks into being a 1-gapper he'll be a factor

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Last word on small hands (at least for today): Garoppolo's 9 inches. Might be exception to rule. Have liked him for long time.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Carr looks good rolling right and throwing to the sidelines. Lot of zip on throws even while moving.
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
If Billy Turner learns how to sink and not bend at the waist, he has a long NFL career ahead of him #SeniorBowl

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
See Ford is embarrassing the other DL in drills. Weaving through dummies and exploding.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
OL bag footwork drills: Wesley Johnson with the quickest feet

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Simulated snaps, but Garoppolo struggling UC for the second straight week. Far more comfortable in the gun.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Montana LB Jordan Tripp is super athletic. Dominating drills.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Eagles coach Chip Kelly has intently been watching the South corners.

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Caraun Reid engages well with his hands. Gets a little high after that...just chucked a dude to the ground though

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Hand use and leverage. That is Sutton’s foundation. Weight stuff has been used as a bit of a crutch, in my opinion

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
It's different seeing Bill O'Brien in Texans clothing walking around practice. One of several coaches here. #seniorbowl

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Will Sutton's first step and use of leverage is ridiculously impressive.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Mike Davis of Texas looked like the best South receiver.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Halapio struggling to sustain in drills bc he doesn't move his feet and ends up on the ground. He's getting extensive coaching today

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Daniel McCullers is too big to play so weak. Got pushed around at UT and getting pushed around here

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Nothing is pissing these coaches off more than players who get knocked down.

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Problem with Sutton is apparent. When he doesn't win on his first move, gets washed out.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Dee Fords burst is ridiculous. And he flashed hand use and leverage this year.

All of Sutton’s movements have purpose. Wrist control. Lift. Outside step to get G to overset.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Terrance Brooks of FSU running the South defense too. Good coaching showing with those two.

Telvin Smith of Florida State is like another coach on the field. Constantly yelling out to teammates

TexansFTW
01-20-2014, 02:27 PM
http://www.seniorbowl.com/
*****
First practice today and is scheduled to have TV coverage by the NFL Network.
Don't see the big Aggie OT on either roster, was thinking he's a senior ? Def a
smart move to skip this game if you are eligible and happen to find yourself in the position that Matthews is.

Wow, I always kind of thought David Fales could be a sneaky 4th round QB, but after losing so much this year, flat out not looking like I expected, and now he's not nearly as tall as I thought, I'm pretty bummed. Sorry Fales, you're done bro.

WolverineFan
01-20-2014, 02:32 PM
Don't have a problem with a guy like Mathews sitting out. He can only hurt his stock, not enhance it. He's seen as a top 5 pick, so if he doesn't go out there and dominate everyone then people will being to question him. The smart play is to skip all that.

My problem is more with guys like McCarron sitting out. A 2nd-3rd round guy should not have the same fear of hurting his evaluation that a top 5 guy does. In fact, he should have the opposite mindset and be intent on bettering his evaluation.

WolverineFan
01-20-2014, 02:34 PM
BTW, I'm not surprised to hear criticisms of McCullers. It seems like guys on this site are in love with him purely because of his size and they think he fits the mold of a big NT, which is what they want. However, he doesn't play like a NT. For being the biggest guy on the field, he comes off pretty soft.

IDEXAN
01-20-2014, 02:40 PM
So how come prospects who are underclassmen can compete at the Indy Combine but not at the Senior Bowl since both events do occur subsequent to the drop-dead declaration date for those guys to declare for the Draft ?

bah007
01-20-2014, 02:41 PM
BTW, I'm not surprised to hear criticisms of McCullers. It seems like guys on this site are in love with him purely because of his size and they think he fits the mold of a big NT, which is what they want. However, he doesn't play like a NT. For being the biggest guy on the field, he comes off pretty soft.

I agree with you. Feel the same way about Hageman too. Neither one impresses me on film despite usually being the biggest man on the field.

HOU-TEX
01-20-2014, 02:43 PM
So how come prospects who are underclassmen can compete at the Indy Combine but not at the Senior Bowl since both events do occur subsequent to the drop-dead declaration date for those guys to declare for the Draft ?

The Senior Bowl is for seniors

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 02:46 PM
Very interested in Dee Ford. Jumped of the screen for me at BCS. Follow through @SB.

JB
01-20-2014, 02:50 PM
So how come prospects who are underclassmen can compete at the Indy Combine but not at the Senior Bowl since both events do occur subsequent to the drop-dead declaration date for those guys to declare for the Draft ?

Cuz it's the Senior Bowl and not the Draft eligible bowl? :kitten:

beerlover
01-20-2014, 02:56 PM
Michigan State CB Darqueze Dennard, Oklahoma State CB Justin Gilbert, Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde, Florida State S Lamarcus Joyner, Buffalo LB Khalil Mack, Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews, Alabama QB A.J. McCarron, Alabama LB C.J. Mosley and Stanford LB Shane Skov are all healthy scratches from the game.

For Matthews projected in the Top 5, there's no percentage in participating.

you think? to me they all just earned *'s

beerlover
01-20-2014, 03:00 PM
So how come prospects who are underclassmen can compete at the Indy Combine but not at the Senior Bowl since both events do occur subsequent to the drop-dead declaration date for those guys to declare for the Draft ?

they're supposed to amend that rule for underclassman, not sure if that would include red shirt sophomores or not?

this year they have enough early entries they could have their own bowl game, call it the Underclassman Bowl :)

WolverineFan
01-20-2014, 03:28 PM
they're supposed to amend that rule for underclassman, not sure if that would include red shirt sophomores or not?

this year they have enough early entries they could have their own bowl game, call it the Underclassman Bowl :)

IIRC they let 2 redshirt juniors in this year.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 03:39 PM
Man I wish Logan Thomas wasn't so screwed up. That kid throws a pretty ball. It just shoots out of his hand.

leebigeztx
01-20-2014, 03:52 PM
Didnt make it this yr, but have alot of eyes there. Dee ford,martin,hageman like alot. Jean baptiste plays like hes 5'6

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 03:54 PM
Wow, I always kind of thought David Fales could be a sneaky 4th round QB, but after losing so much this year, flat out not looking like I expected, and now he's not nearly as tall as I thought, I'm pretty bummed. Sorry Fales, you're done bro.

I wouldn't be so sure. First of all, apart from Logan Thomas all of these guys are basically 6' to 6'2". Yes, I see SJSU's official site lists him at 6'3", but it's not unusual to exaggerate height. It's almost like a dating service in that respect, where men exaggerate about their height and women about their weight.

Second of all, at least some of the drop off that Fales saw this year compared to 2012 is likely attributable to a totally new coaching staff, learning a new system and perhaps running an offense with players not recruited for the new coaching staff's preferred style. That all said, there are others in that range I may be a little higher on, but I think a closer look at the particulars in his case at least partially explains the dropoff from a 11-2 record to 6-6, and to some extent the slight dropoff from '12 to '13 and the hot-and-cold streaks he exhibited in this last season.

He could certainly help or hurt himself in the Senior Bowl. His last game left a strong impression, though it needs to be noted that Fresno State has no pass defense. I still see him as a 4th rounder now, give or take, plus or minus his Senior Bowl performance. He's still on my radar as an early final day selection, at least potentially.

rmartin65
01-20-2014, 04:05 PM
Man I wish Logan Thomas wasn't so screwed up. That kid throws a pretty ball. It just shoots out of his hand.

I would not be opposed to grabbing him in the 6th or 7th. Physical specimen for sure, but just can't put it together on the field.

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 04:06 PM
I would not be opposed to grabbing him in the 6th or 7th. Physical specimen for sure, but just can't put it together on the field.

He'd be one of those guys you might take a flyer on, hoping that a change of scenery and the right coaching could help. Physically the guy has all the tools.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 04:07 PM
I would not be opposed to grabbing him in the 6th or 7th. Physical specimen for sure, but just can't put it together on the field.

Watching practice just a minute ago Mayock has heard he could possibly go as early as 2nd round. He called him the most polarizing player in the history of the draft because he could go 2nd through 7th. He looked really good throwing the ball today though.

ziggy29
01-20-2014, 04:08 PM
Watching practice just a minute ago Mayock has heard he could possibly go as early as 2nd round. He called him the most polarizing player in the history of the draft because he could go 2nd through 7th. He looked really good throwing the ball today though.

Yeah -- it's because you love the physical tools -- they're all there -- and if he can put them together in a game situation he could be a flat-out steal if taken on the last day. When he looks good, he looks like the total package.

rmartin65
01-20-2014, 04:10 PM
He'd be one of those guys you might take a flyer on, hoping that a change of scenery and the right coaching could help. Physically the guy has all the tools.

Watching practice just a minute ago Mayock has heard he could possibly go as early as 2nd round. He called him the most polarizing player in the history of the draft because he could go 2nd through 7th. He looked really good throwing the ball today though.



Yep. He can be dynamite on one play, only to be a trainwreck on the next.

To be clear, I am not expecting him to amount to anything in the NFL. However, I am a fan of taking late round flyers on guys who have insane physical gifts. Might as well take a gamble, as many late round picks don't make the 53 anyway.

thetexanator
01-20-2014, 04:19 PM
BTW, I'm not surprised to hear criticisms of McCullers. It seems like guys on this site are in love with him purely because of his size and they think he fits the mold of a big NT, which is what they want. However, he doesn't play like a NT. For being the biggest guy on the field, he comes off pretty soft.

frank okam v 2.0. such a waste of size:mariopalm:

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 04:53 PM
Stanley Jean-Baptiste, [Nebraska, 6' 2.375", 215 lbs., 32.375" arm, 8.5" hand] is another "wow" player at the SB.

Texn4life
01-20-2014, 05:08 PM
Stanley Jean-Baptiste, [Nebraska, 6' 2.375", 215 lbs., 32.375" arm, 8.5" hand] is another "wow" player at the SB.

He was turned around in 1-on-1 on one play, but with it being just the one play very hard to judge.

Texian
01-20-2014, 05:39 PM
2014 Senior Bowl: 10 observations from Monday's South practice
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
January 20, 2014 5:50 pm ET

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24415146/senior-bowl-10-observations-from-mondays-south-practice

Playoffs
01-21-2014, 10:04 AM
tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top...

Coach O'Brien scouting them up at the Senior Bowl (http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Sights-OBrien-at-Senior-Bowl/579ca241-7c56-4e93-ac37-e84608a40697)

yucking it up w/Chip Kelly(right)
http://prod.static.texans.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/CP_646/646OBrienSB.jpg

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft 3m
CB Nevin Lawson and WR Mike Davis have helped themselves as well.

Any doubts I had about Donald have been extinguished. @JoshNorris was right all along.

Unless someone can convince me otherwise, Aaron Donald and Dee Ford have been the best Senior Bowl practice days.

2014 Senior Bowl: Draft Scouting Notes & Observations from Tuesday Practice (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1931874-2014-senior-bowl-draft-scouting-notes-observations-from-tuesday-practice)

2014 Senior Bowl: UVA's Moses parts the red D at South practice (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24416308/senior-bowl-uvas-moses-parts-the-red-d-at-south-practice)

2014 Senior Bowl: Defenders Ford, Watkins shine on Tuesday (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24416286/senior-bowl-former-sec-defenders-ford-and-watkins-shine-on-tuesday)

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Boston College OT Matt Patchan flying to Mobile tonight (per @RapSheet). He'll likely replace Ja'Wuan James who sprained a knee #SeniorBowl

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Senior Bowl turning into the Aaron Donald Bowl.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Let me clarify, because there's been some confusion. Carr is top rated senior QB. Not my top rated QB overall.

Florida CB Jaylen Watkins has lived around the ball today. Give me him over the other two Gator corners

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
I need to go back and look at Morgan Moses a little closer after today. Playing much better today.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
Pitt DT Aaron Donald's arms may only be 31 3/4, but he has been a superior technician with his hands this week at the Senior Bowl.

Dee Ford continuing to make OT's look BAD. Like the body quickness of Princeton DT Caraun Reid, but he has no clue how to win with his hands

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Billy Turner/OL/North Dakota State having another tough day. Smoked on back-to-back reps.
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Second day in a row that Billy Turner has impressed. A top-5 player here this week IMO #SeniorBowl:spit:

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Early word on Aaron Colvin is a feared ACL tear.
Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Aaron Colvin/CB/Oklahoma helped off the field with a seemingly serious left leg injury. Looked like an ankle issue.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Carr isn't just the best QB here. He's the best player here. Absolutely looks the part of franchise QB.

#Florida CB Jaylen Watkins is one of the better players here that isn't talked about much. I'm a big fan #SeniorBowl

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Will Sutton blowing up another play in the backfield. He wins at the snap quite a bit. Enough to take the negatives when he doesn't?

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Arthur Lynch looked really good in blocking drills. The south linebackers and safeties were pushed around.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
In terms of natural arm strength/velocity, pretty clear it's 1) Carr 2) Garoppolo 3) Fales on the South squad #SeniorBowl

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Huff runs a sub 4.4. I think he has chance to be one of top 100 players drafted. Good exposure this week at @SeniorBowl.

My @SeniorBowl scout called and raved about player I've been talking about for some time. Keep eye on Wyoming CB Marqueston Huff.

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
Alabama DE Ed Stinson, Fresno State TE Marcel Jensen and Tennessee OT Ju'wuan James out of Senior Bowl due to injury.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Mr. Clowney is here

Senior Bowl: North Team Practice Page--continually updated (http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9291)

Senior Bowl: South Team Practice Page----continually updated (http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9301)

2014 Senior Bowl: Trio of lineman highlight physical North team practice (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24416034/senior-bowl-trio-of-lineman-highlight-physical-north-team-practice)

2014 Senior Bowl: Another mixed bag from the North QBs on Tuesday (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24415999/senior-bowl-another-mixed-bag-from-the-north-qbs-on-tuesday)

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Up-and-down practice today for Jean-Baptiste. He's obviously very talented, but raw. Struggled in press drills, good in off.

Michael Sam of Missouri really struggled today. It's hard to see a team spending a pick on the first two days of the draft on him.

Robert Herron of Wyoming really stood out. He can cut back on a comeback route better than the other receivers on the North.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
90% of these players literally have to be taught from scratch what the proper sequence is.

The lack of off man/zone coverage technique the majority of college DB's come into the league with always surprises me at Senior Bowl practices.

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
Zack Martin lining up at OG in some drills today and performing well. He's the best player here IMO #SeniorBowl

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Charles Sims has looked good. More wiggle than I thought.

Some bad throws from Logan Thomas in full team drills. A wobbler and one he just hosed out of bounds.

Tajh Boyd struggling with ball placement and it has nothing to do with the wind.

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Must say Brandon Thomas/Clemson doing a very good job at left tackle. Good feet, angles and uses hands well.

Michael Sam/Mizzou looks great in drills at DE but has done nothing to make anyone believe the transition to OLB will be quick or easy.

Tahj Boyd/QB/Clemson better today but still no more than a last day pick IMO. Logan Thomas/Va Tech looks awful.

Tyler Larsen/C/Utah St holding his own. One of the few players Aaron Donald has not torched.

Jordan Zumwalt/UCLA was politely asked to dial it back a bit. Intensity off the charts.

Chris Borland/Wisconsin and Jordan Zumwalt/UCLA dominant in early Senior Bowl practice.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Nevin Lawson has looked great today. Sticks with a receiver's every move. Ada Dixon, not so much.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Deone Bucannon and Ahmad Dixon really standing out so far today.

Michael Schottey ‏@Schottey
Hegeman has been impressive...just bowled over Schofield in a two-on-one

I have no idea where Trent Murphey plays in the NFL. He's not a DE though. Initial thought is TED backer.

Richardson does lunge a bit off the snap. It works, but it'll backfire on him too. Donald just plugged a two-on-one because of it

Schofield just got absolutely walked back...didn't see who it was, but embarrassing

Cyril Richardson just bent Aaron Donald over backward in the pit. Was initially beat and just pressed him

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
20 mph winds expected all day in Mobile so evaluating QBs will be interesting. Ability to handle elements will be key for cold weather teams

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Today the pads come on. Who wants to hit? @seniorbowl

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
Most project Matthews to tackle, but some project him to center

I could see Jake Matthews as an outstanding center in the league. Jake’s dad Bruce played tackle guard and finally center during his career

Respected personnel man in Mobile told me teams are starting to consider A&M’s Jake Matthews as a center. That could impact his draft stock

Senior Bowl Defensive Practice Day 1 Notes (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/21/jene-bramels-reeses-senior-bowl-defensive-practice-day-1-notes/)

Jene Bramel: Does the Reese’s Senior Bowl Put Edge Rushers In Position to Succeed? (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/21/jene-bramel-does-the-reeses-senior-bowl-put-edge-rushers-in-position-to-succeed/)

McShay: Senior Bowl: 2014 QB class lacks depth (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nfl-draft/post?id=2566)

WolverineFan
01-21-2014, 11:30 AM
Couple observations....

1) Logan Thomas looks awful.....big surprise.

2) Not at all surprised that Zumwalt was asked to dial it back. Thad dude is intense

3) Aaron Donald is dominating despite being smaller than the O-Linemen. That's what he did his entire career. How is this surprising?

4) That first tweet is so true. I learned the technique of off coverage in high school. How are so many CB's going into the NFL with such poor technique? It gets me every year.

bah007
01-21-2014, 11:32 AM
I have Zumwalt graded as a 3rd rounder. Crazy to me that I keep seeing him in the 6th round in mocks.

WolverineFan
01-21-2014, 11:44 AM
I agree with you. Feel the same way about Hageman too. Neither one impresses me on film despite usually being the biggest man on the field.

I'm disappointed in Hageman's senior film, but I still think he could be a good player with some coaching. The talent is there, he just needs some refinement.

McCullers, on the other hand, I don't see any noticeable football traits from him. He's just a big guy playing football. It was the same thing with Terrence Cody. He was just a big guy. No skills. The Ravens drafted him to play NT and had to end up moving Ngata back inside because all Cody could do was stand there and get blocked.

kiwitexansfan
01-21-2014, 12:29 PM
I have Zumwalt graded as a 3rd rounder. Crazy to me that I keep seeing him in the 6th round in mocks.

Big enough to play outside in the 3-4?

bah007
01-21-2014, 12:45 PM
Big enough to play outside in the 3-4?

That might be a stretch. He's tall and lean. 6'4" 231. I think his best fit is as a SAM in a 43. That suits his playing style as well.

Texian
01-21-2014, 06:18 PM
NFLDraftScout.com
2014 Senior Bowl: UVA's Moses parts the red D at South practice
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
January 21, 2014 6:48 pm ET

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24416308/senior-bowl-uvas-moses-parts-the-red-d-at-south-practice

srrono
01-21-2014, 07:35 PM
Texans 2014 Senior Bowl Updates (http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/01/20/texans-2014-senior-bowl-updates/)

Texans Talked to at the Senior Bowl


Offensive Guard, Jon Halapio, Florida (Alex Dunlap | Roster Watch)


Offensive Tackle, Wesley Johnson Vanderbilt (Shane Hallam | Draft TV)

Center, Bryan Stork, Florida State (Shane Hallam | Draft TV)

Defensive Tackle, Will Sutton, Arizona State (NFL.com)

Offensive Tackle, Jack Mewhort, The Ohio State (Walter Football)

Bill O’Brien Meets Potential Number One Overall Pick

South Carolina Defensive End Jadeveon Clowney was at the Senior Bowl making his rounds with his agent.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/842/w8aw.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/new8awj)

IDEXAN
01-21-2014, 09:40 PM
Didn't see too much of QB Jimmy Garoppolo, but what we saw was very impressive as he thru a couple passes right on target in the very windy Mobile conditions today. And he's moves real well in the pocket, throws a
real sweet tight little spiral, and has a quick release. Def looking forward to seeing more of him this week.

kiwitexansfan
01-21-2014, 11:50 PM
The grumpy old geezer in me wants to tell Clowney, take your hood off when talking to your potential employer.

mussop
01-21-2014, 11:59 PM
The grumpy old geezer in me wants to tell Clowney, take your hood off when talking to your potential employer.

I was thinking the same thing. Man his agent should be on top of that.

bhsman
01-22-2014, 02:01 AM
The grumpy old geezer in me wants to tell Clowney, take your hood off when talking to your potential employer.

In fairness, it was apparently very cold and windy at the practices, and Clowney is the only one in the picture wearing a hoodie.

Marshall
01-22-2014, 06:46 AM
If Mathews is smart he will skip the combine.

"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Albert Einstein

The day feared by Albert has arrived as I watch four youths texting each other while sitting at the same table and watching a mother on her I-phone, oblivious to her surroundings, while she and her young kid walk along the sidewalk as cars speed by.

IDEXAN
01-22-2014, 08:49 AM
In fairness, it was apparently very cold and windy at the practices, and Clowney is the only one in the picture wearing a hoodie.
I'd have my hoodie up over my head too if I was in Mobile yesterday, it looked cold there and I wouldn't be surprised if BOB asked Clowney if he could wear his ?

HOU-TEX
01-22-2014, 09:34 AM
I have Zumwalt graded as a 3rd rounder. Crazy to me that I keep seeing him in the 6th round in mocks.

I've heard a lot about this cat this week and have been trying to find cut ups of regular season games. You seen any?

I just want to see if he has this motor all the time or is it the Senior Bowl?

He might be able to move inside in a 3-4 if he added another 10-15. He looks quick enough to me

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 10:33 AM
tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top
http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2014/01-January/tempAP831641728511--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg

Senior Bowl: North Team Practice Page--continually updated (http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9291)

Senior Bowl: South Team Practice Page----continually updated (http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9301)

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
Among South Team's Wed. standouts: GTech OLB Attaochu, BYU OLB Van Noy, SJSU QB Fales & unfortunately Utah CB McGill: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24417284/senior-bowl-olbs-attaochu-van-noy-step-up-to-pressure …

Senior Bowl WR Technique Roundtable -- tech talk from 5 WRs in Mobile (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/22/sr-bowl-wr-technique-round-table/)

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Dee Ford is owning the team period. So damn fast.

Walt Aikens is stripping the ball consistently. Great reach and rip.

Jordan Matthews very quick off the line. Poor Lavelle Westbrooks got left in the dirt. Looked like his shoes were tied together.

Three times I've seen Keith McGill lose on a drill and he's immediately hurt. Not a good look if you're limping after every bad play.

Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
#Jaguars coaching staff has stressed the location of their QBs eyes/head this week and the difference between Monday & today is shocking.

South practice---------------------
Michigan OT Michael Schofield impressed Mike Mayock getting his North player of the day award.

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
Under the radar no longer, Wyoming's Huff, Herron, NIU's Ward and Lindenwood's Desir turning heads at Senior Bowl. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/rob-rang/24417067/2014-senior-bowl-under-the-radar-defenders-highlight-north-practice …

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
I know many of you have soured on Sutton. I’m still a big believer.

I’m going to have Dom Easley, Sutton and Donald all top 20. Interior disruption is king.

I repeat it everyday, & might be the wrong thing to question teams that stick by measurements and have success…But Donald is a top 20 player

I think Billy Turner ends up in the second round. Brandon Thomas too. Big fan of both and they win in different ways.

Draft twitter was ahead of the curve on Jimmie Ward. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is the third or fourth S off the board.

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Packers scout not alone in feeling Tajh Boyd/Clemson undraftable. Another league insider told me they would not use a draft pick on the QB.

Seantrel Henderson/T/Miami. When he's on his game he's outstanding. Just destroyed Trent Murphy in full scrimmage.

Aaron Donald/Pittsburgh ripping it up again in practice.

Wisconsin Badgers James White/RB and Jacob Pedersen/TE looking good in drills.

Marcus Smith/Louisville struggling in coverage drills.

Todd McShay ‏@McShay13
WISC LB Borland is an animal. Great instincts. Strong this wk as rusher and in cvg. Doesn't have measurables but who cares. He's a player!

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Zack Martin just met his match in Trent Murphy. The length and burst of Murphy got him flailing.

Virginia Tech DE James Gayle leaving the stadium with an injury.

Zack Martin is good, y'all. Fluid moving in his slide. Moves with hands loaded. Just a little short armed for conventional LT.

Josh Huff showing off really impressive body control today.

Love QBs that can alter release point and keep accuracy. Tajh Boyd seems to alter but accuracy struggles.

Marqueston Huff looks like a safety trying to play cornerback... which he is. Rough day in man coverage vs wide receivers.

Really like Zack Martin from Notre Dame. Have talked to teams that have him as a guard. Handled himself well at LT though.

Josh Huff is going hard. Just laid out to go after the ball in the end zone.

Liked Chris Borland a lot heading into the week. Still do. His instincts are amazing.

Really like Ahmad Dixon. Just showed nice range getting to pylon from centerfield.

North QBs all throwing high so far today. Timing always an issue with little chemistry on all star rosters.

Iowa LB Kirksey has really flashed all week. Was the SAM for Hawkeyes, but looks like a WILL to me. Very athletic. Can rush the pocket too.

Logan Thomas overthrows Josh Huff, but the two huddled up to work it out. Tajh Boyd hasn't been sharp this morning.

Effortless arm strength from Logan Thomas on deep outs. Ball comes in hot and on a line.

Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
The North's best corner today and perhaps all week has been Nevin Lawson from #UtahState - sticky in coverage with good timing. #SeniorBowl

#Oregon WR Josh Huff winning battles with physicality at the top of his routes. Has made a number of impressive catches away from his body.

#UCLA WR Shaq Evans continues to shine. Just plucked a well thrown Logan Thomas pass with one hand in the endzone.

Wisconsin's Jared Abbrederis attacks the ball. The most natural hands-catcher on the North squad, maybe at the entire event. #Badgers

Wyoming's Robert Herron is a quick, fluid mover; but let a couple get into his body this morning & dropped two in a row. #SeniorBowl

Bucky Brooks ‏@BuckyBrooks
ICYMI: There several big men in the @seniorbowl beginning to separate from the pack. Here are a few standouts:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316428/article/dee-ford-aaron-donald-lead-top-linemen-at-senior-bowl …

Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman
Five Sr. Bowl WRs give tips on five techniques of the position at the RSP WR Roundtable http://bit.ly/LRQY5P

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
Working more than anyone else, Derek Carr is making a name for himself at the Senior Bowl http://sbn.to/1aq1Hzv

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Final note of the night: Whether we agree with it or not, the NFL is still a height-weight-speed league when it comes to most scouts.

Dee Ford is crazy fast, but he's a lot more than that too. Love his awareness and how he uses his arms to frustrate the QB

Will say this about Thomas--guy wasn't developed at VaTech. No progression from Y1-Y2-Y3 as a starter.

As for Logan Thomas' draft stock, I have no idea honestly. Will vary wildly between teams. Developmental guy to me with lot of risk involved

Second-best quarterback in Mobile, by far, has been Jimmy Garoppolo. Spinning the ball, quick & compact release. Like him a lot.

A quote on Logan Thomas from team source: "I can teach a guy to throw. I can't teach him to be 6'5", 250 and fast."

.@joelklatt Most disappointing player for me this week has been Will Sutton. Just looks too heavy, too slow compared to former success

#Texas WR Mike Davis could be next Longhorn to breakout in NFL system. He's too fast to jam at the LOS. See him learning, developing daily

#Princeton DT Caraun Reid has been fun to watch. Short, squat body but explosive. And really good hand use to disengage, swat.

Arkansas DE Chris Smith has been very impressive getting off the ball. He's violent, attacking player. Short, but long arms and thick chest

I like Zack Martin and Brandon Thomas quite a bit, but neither has really dominated a practice yet. Hoping to see that tomorrow.

Haven't been blown away by any of the OL here as of yet. Hoping Day 3 brings some consistency. No one on a level with last year's crop.

Setting the scene: Very windy in Mobile today. Carr's passes cut through the wind on every route. Snapped WRs hands on impact. #velocity

Guess what Derek Carr did (again) today after practice? Practiced with Mike Davis and Jordan Matthews. Dude is a grinder.

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Day 2 Senior Bowl Winners: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Paulines-Senior-Bowl-Wrap-Up-Day-2/0f853341-1a77-494b-9ad9-df864a0e62b1 …

Narrated video of one-on-one DB/WR drills from the South practice earlier today: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior_Bowl_WRs_Take_On_DBs_1on1/14df9895-7d21-40a3-b9ef-b1de17f74535 …

Narrated video of seven-on-seven from the North practice at Senior Bowl from earlier today: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior_Bowl_North_Team_Scrimmage/ab4601bb-e56d-4c06-9340-bb9b80dfc25c …

Jene Bramel’s Day 2 Defensive Practice Reports (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/21/jene-bramels-day-2-defensive-practice-reports/)

TexansFTW
01-22-2014, 12:38 PM
Huge contrast from Matt Miller to Pauline.

Listening to Pauline watch that 7 on 7 and give analysis he sounded like he hated Garappolo and saw no future in the NFL for him.

I'm glad Caraun Reid is playing well. I like him on the Texans at end of 4 beginning of 5 (kind of stole that from Texian, gotta give credit).

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 12:47 PM
Separate post for this oddity...

Matt Moore ‏@FalconsMMoore
Pretty awesome way to meet Scott Pioli. This is awesome! http://atlfal.co.nz/1hLZdLc

Ride Along with Dimitroff and Pioli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7JBgz5Y2I&feature=c4-overview&list=UUzjCfV3LHyarKbdb-2ScGZg)

A somewhat bizarre dashcam video of Thomas Dimitroff & newly hired Scott Pioli at Senior Bowl.

bah007
01-22-2014, 12:57 PM
Always thought Mike Davis would be a better NFL WR than college WR, which was frustrating as a Texas fan.

bah007
01-22-2014, 12:59 PM
I've heard a lot about this cat this week and have been trying to find cut ups of regular season games. You seen any?

I just want to see if he has this motor all the time or is it the Senior Bowl?

He might be able to move inside in a 3-4 if he added another 10-15. He looks quick enough to me

With 15 pounds he could move inside. I honestly haven't watched any cut ups of him. I just saw a ton of UCLA games this year scouting Hundley, Su'a-filo, and Barr. Zumwalt stood out in each game.

HOU-TEX
01-22-2014, 01:28 PM
Man, what a year can do to one's draft stock. Wasn't he at the top of the QB class last year?

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline 30m
Packers scout not alone in feeling Tajh Boyd/Clemson undraftable. Another league insider told me they would not use a draft pick on the QB.

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 01:35 PM
Man, what a year can do to one's draft stock. Wasn't he at the top of the QB class last year?

He'll be drafted. Note it's very windy today(yesterday) and it was a Packers scout. His accuracy is bad. Good interview, though.

ArlingtonTexan
01-22-2014, 01:40 PM
Man, what a year can do to one's draft stock. Wasn't he at the top of the QB class last year?

I think guys like Barley and Boyd who the draft media have highly rated because they are highly productive at a big school, but randomly seem to return for their SR. year are ever has highly regarded as thought in draftnik circles.

I can't really document proof of that, but it does really make sense otherwise.

WolverineFan
01-22-2014, 02:15 PM
Short and stout with a weak arm and the Packers want nothing to do with him? Is he talking about Boyd or Matt Flynn? Sounds like a Packers smokescreen to me.

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 04:45 PM
Senior Bowl WR Technique Roundtable -- tech talk from 5 WRs in Mobile (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/01/22/sr-bowl-wr-technique-round-table/)

Narrated video of one-on-one DB/WR drills from the South practice earlier today: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/mu...f-b1de17f74535 …

Narrated video of seven-on-seven from the North practice at Senior Bowl from earlier today: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/mu...0-bb9b80dfc25c …

Highlighting some items of interest if you're waiting for videos to pop up on YouTube or interested in some technique talk.

And adding video: Senior Bowl: Blitz Pickup (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior_Bowl_Blitz_Pickup/992db9ff-252a-4485-9615-95ad674659cf)

Eagles website hosting Senior Bowl videos: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/channel/ (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/channel/)

badboy
01-23-2014, 10:49 AM
"McCarron told al.com that he battled through numerous injuries during the 2013 season, including toe, shoulder and hamstring injuries.

He had been criticized for bypassing the Senior Bowl, which is played in his hometown of Mobile, Ala. He had been seen as a "healthy scratch," meaning there was no known medical reason for him to skip the event.

"When it came time to decide, I asked the advice of our team doctors, who are some of the best in the country," McCarron said. "They said I should stay out of the game and get my body back to 100 percent healthy."

McCarron said that while his shoulder does not require surgery, fatigue had been an issue since midseason..."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316466/article/aj-mccarron-said-medical-reasons-kept-him-out-of-senior-bowl

mussop
01-23-2014, 11:05 AM
"McCarron told al.com that he battled through numerous injuries during the 2013 season, including toe, shoulder and hamstring injuries.

He had been criticized for bypassing the Senior Bowl, which is played in his hometown of Mobile, Ala. He had been seen as a "healthy scratch," meaning there was no known medical reason for him to skip the event.

"When it came time to decide, I asked the advice of our team doctors, who are some of the best in the country," McCarron said. "They said I should stay out of the game and get my body back to 100 percent healthy."

McCarron said that while his shoulder does not require surgery, fatigue had been an issue since midseason..."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316466/article/aj-mccarron-said-medical-reasons-kept-him-out-of-senior-bowl

His shoulder was fatigued? He didn't even throw the ball that much. Sounds like some spinning going on to soften up the criticism he's been getting.

Texian
01-23-2014, 11:30 AM
His shoulder was fatigued? He didn't even throw the ball that much. Sounds like some spinning going on to soften up the criticism he's been getting.

What we don't know is how much he threw in practice 5 times a week.

WolverineFan
01-23-2014, 11:42 AM
What we don't know is how much he threw in practice 5 times a week.

True. However, guys like Kyle Fuller and Marcel Jensen pulled out of the SB with known injuries. McCarron declined to go, then thought about it, then declined to go, and now he's injured. Yea, I don't buy that.

To me, it seems like he didn't want to go and possibly hurt his stock. But since he declined his stock is falling regardless and he's doing damage control.

Playoffs
01-23-2014, 12:10 PM
Tweets read botton(oldes)-to-top...

http://prod.images.texans.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/TEXANS/assets/images/imported/HOU/photos/clubimages/2014/01-January/tempAP402206257760--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg

Senior Bowl Ride Along -- Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell and Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff share a ride to Senior Bowl practice. (http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Senior-Bowl-Ride-Along/c70c2df4-0ccc-4ad7-a04e-689da0f56bce)

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
And there was Carr's issue with pressure showing up. Two plays in a row.

This is the first time all week Jordan Matthews has looked like himself. Attacking every ball.

And then he just got beat by Cody Hoffman on a jump ball in the end zone.

After a rough start, Cox from Jax State has made some nice plays in his first day down here.

Christian Jones and Telvin Smith looking good today. They close in a hurry, especially Smith.

The issue for David Fales has been hiding the ball too long.

Kevin Norwood probably having his best practice day after getting hollered at a few times this week.

Derek Carr is clearly a better player than the other QBs here and it's not close.

Bad missed catch for Mike Davis. Super talented and had a good week, but he needs to catch that.

Coverage work paying off for Christian Jones who just picked off a pass at the goal line.

Chris Davis just got beat high by Tulane's Ryan Grant in the end zone.

Jordan Matthews has shown today he can go up and high point the ball. He hasn't done that as much in previous practices.

Coaches praising Derek Carr for improving on and hitting his second option.

Todd McShay ‏@McShay13
Most @seniorbowl standouts this wk on DEF side. CB's Keith McGill and Jean-Baptiste, PITT DT A. Donald, WISC LB C. Borland, AUB DE D. Ford

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
From last night, Day 3 at Senior Bowl practices http://sbn.to/1cWWOZ2

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
Impressed with the improvement from GTech OLB Attaochu & efficient play of BYUs Van Noy throughout South practices: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24417284/senior-bowl-olbs-attaochu-van-noy-step-up-to-pressure …

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
RE: Aaron Donald. Not a fit in a 3-4 defense. RT @BryBryAshenfly: possible packers fit in 1st or 2nd round?

It's no surprise that Aaron Donald was @InTheBleachers No. 1 player in CFB250 this year. He's the real deal, folks. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1887674-br-cfb-250-the-overall-top-250-players-in-college-football …

Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein


Two o-linemen who I have gone back & changed my evaluation/ initial grade on post-Sr. Bowl are Gabe Jackson and Morgan Moses (both positive)

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
I'm thinking about creating the Weston Richburg fan club…anyone else want to join? We could make t-shirts, bumper stickers and coffee mugs.

Kevin Weidl ‏@KevinW_ESPN
Watched WRs today. Highly intrigued by Bama's Kevin Norwood. Strong route runner/natural hands. There's a place for him at the next level.

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
South and QB practice notes have been added to Wednesday's @SidelineFB post over at @Rotoworld_Draft http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46076/351/senior-bowl-notes-wednesday …

From what I saw tonight, Jimmie Ward might be the best CB at the Senior Bowl. Already there at S.

Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman

Reese's Senior Bowl Offensive Practices Day 3 http://wp.me/p1xOUs-3Bi

Jene Bramel's Reese's Senior Bowl Defensive Practice Notes Day 3 http://wp.me/p1xOUs-3Bp

Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

@MockingTheDraft Agree - plus 73 underclassmen who entered the draft last year and 29 seniors who pulled out of this year's Senior Bowl

I asked 5 NFL personnel guys who will be the top #SeniorBowl prospect drafted. Results: Zack Martin (3 votes), Carr (1), Donald (1)

Last yr SR Bowlers Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson, Ziggy Ansah went top-5 overall. This yr? Zack Martin. Maybe Carr, Hageman, Donald go 1st rnd?

I can't date back 20 yrs, but last yr had 3 Senior Bowlers in the top-5 overall. This year probably won't have 3 in the 1st round #NFLDraft

FWIW, one NFL personnel guy told me this week that this is the "worst group of Senior Bowl prospects in 20 years" #NFLDraft

Texian
01-23-2014, 01:41 PM
Tweets read botton(oldes)-to-top...

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Todd McShay ‏@McShay13


Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft


Rob Rang ‏@RobRang


Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout


Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein


Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks


Kevin Weidl ‏@KevinW_ESPN


Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris


Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman


Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

Once again Playoffs, OUTSTANDING job.

FYI - the names above if they were really any good at their evaluations and reports they would be NFL Scouts but they're not. Rang is one exception, with his own website that partners with CBS makes more than the average NFL scout and has survived doing this for a very long time, he's legitimate.

JCTexan
01-23-2014, 03:12 PM
Tweets read botton(oldes)-to-top...

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Todd McShay ‏@McShay13


Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft


Rob Rang ‏@RobRang


Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout


Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein


Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks


Kevin Weidl ‏@KevinW_ESPN


Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris


Matt Waldman ‏@MattWaldman


Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

msr.. I'll suffice it to say I appreciate all the work you put into this. Thanks!

mussop
01-23-2014, 06:18 PM
Once again Playoffs, OUTSTANDING job.

FYI - the names above if they were really any good at their evaluations and reports they would be NFL Scouts but they're not. Rang is one exception, with his own website that partners with CBS makes more than the average NFL scout and has survived doing this for a very long time, he's legitimate.

FYI Rang is as wrong just as often as any of those guys. Probably even more so. I'll go with LZ over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Texian
01-23-2014, 06:27 PM
FYI Rang is as wrong just as often as any of those guys. Probably even more so. I'll go with LZ over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Your prerogative but I find Lance is in the same class as McShay, Miller and Jeremiah.

mussop
01-23-2014, 06:36 PM
Your prerogative but I find Lance is in the same class as McShay, Miller and Jeremiah.

I would and will listen to any of them, minus McShay over Rang.
And I find rang in the same class as John McLain as an evaluator. Every time i listen to rang do an interview I cringe at some of the things he says. To each his own.

Texian
01-24-2014, 08:16 AM
Rob Rang ‏@RobRang 4m

Which Senior Bowl prospects impressed me so much they forced significant adjustment to my personal Top 50 rankings? http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/24418200/big-board-senior-bowl-best-chance-for-upperclassmen-to-make-move

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 10:33 AM
Four days in Mobile: Wrapping up Senior Bowl practices (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/24/5340386/senior-bowl-2014)
While it doesn't totally lack merit, a week of four practices at the Senior Bowl far outweigh what will happen during Saturday's game. In front of crowds of NFL personnel executives and scouts, players had a chance to raise their NFL Draft stock in a completely new setting.

Several players helped themselves, but others struggled..

Six Senior Bowl defenders give the scouting report on facing Johnny Manziel (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/six-senior-bowl-defenders-scouting-report-facing-johnny-232145573--nfl.html;_ylt=A2KLOzFapeFSmysAzERNbK5_)
We polled six SEC players who have had a good look at Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel over the past two seasons, and they roundly see him as a top talent whose skills should translate in the NFL as he prepares for May's draft.

Among the opinions of him we gathered here at the Senior Bowl, here’s a sample of them:


SENIOR MOMENTS (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67053776/derek-carr-chris-borland-chris-davis-stood-out-at-senior-bowl-practices)
By Russ Lande
MOBILE, Ala. -- Although the Senior Bowl will not be played until Saturday at 3:30 p.m. Central Time, nearly all NFL personnel have left Mobile, because the practices carry much more weight than the game. It's important to remember that many players, such as offensive tackle Chris Williams, receiver Andre Caldwell and cornerback Alphonso Smith, have shined in Mobile and struggled in the NFL. On the other hand, prospects such as cornerback Richard Sherman, running back Chris Johnson and quarterback Russell Wilson did not have great weeks of practice in Mobile but are now top-flight NFL players. With that said, I held a staff meeting to determine which prospects had the best weeks of practice, and below is our top 10 (listed in alphabetical order)...

Senior Bowl – North Practice Report (http://draftbreakdown.com/senior-bowl-north-practice-report/)

Maybe the North quarterbacks were not morning people, or maybe they simply were all who we thought they might be...

bhsman
01-24-2014, 10:43 AM
I'm surprised nobody over the last page is talking about the TE from Georgia, Lynch. He looked solid as a receiver and was killing it in the blocking drills by all accounts.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 10:49 AM
I'm surprised nobody over the last page is talking about the TE from Georgia, Lynch. He looked solid as a receiver and was killing it in the blocking drills by all accounts.

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Georgia TE Arthur Lynch had a big day. Several wins in 1-1 redzone period of practice..Clean route runner, strong hands.

bhsman
01-24-2014, 10:53 AM
Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks

Yeah, exactly. :p

kiwitexansfan
01-24-2014, 12:21 PM
Funny how two people watch the same practices and have two very different conclusions about Hageman.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 12:44 PM
Funny how two people watch the same practices and have two very different conclusions about Hageman.

Signals inconsistency or inconsistent effort...
Minnesota DT Ra'Shede Hageman: (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316428/article/dee-ford-aaron-donald-lead-top-linemen-at-senior-bowl) Hageman is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2014 class because of his remarkable height-weight-speed combination and his marginal production. He tantalizes scouts with his imposing physical stature (6-6, 311) and freakish athleticism as an interior defender. Hageman's length and movement skills are rare finds at the position; it is one of the reasons why he has been a standout defender during the first days of practice. He overwhelms interior blockers with his athleticism, yet has also shown the ability to win using strength and power.

Unfortunately, Hageman doesn't rev up his motor consistently to dominate overmatched blockers on the interior. That was one of his biggest issues in the regular season; it remains a concern watching him work against blockers in one-on-one and team drills.

While Hageman has certainly flashed impressive raw ability, he needs consistent reminders from Atlanta Falcons' defensive line coach Bryan Cox to finish each play. The former Pro Bowler has been loudly encouraging Hageman to give maximum effort on every down. From pursuing downfield following pass rush attempts to sprinting after the ball on each play, Cox has been on Hageman about his urgency and effort.

If Hageman heeds the message and exerts maximum effort on each snap, he could very well become the Pro Bowl-caliber defender that many envision based on his imposing physical dimensions and athletic attributes.

WolverineFan
01-24-2014, 02:58 PM
Funny how two people watch the same practices and have two very different conclusions about Hageman.

Eye of the beholder. Someone sees a 6'6, 315 lb athletic freak and it doesn't matter how he looks right now because of his "potential" to be so much better later down the road.

I liken it to the Logan Thomas situation. Guys are fawning over the guy because of what he looks like physically and bashing on guys like Tajh Boyd. I don't think there is any question who the better QB is. The issue is Thomas has a perceived upside that dwarfs Boyd's.

A scout sees Boyd throw and says "he can throw the ball, but he's only 6' feet tall". A scout sees Thomas throw and says "I can teach him to throw, I can't teach him to be 6-6". A lot of the time, scouts and draftniks fall in love with a guy because of what he looks like and not because of what he can do on a football field.

bah007
01-24-2014, 03:03 PM
Eye of the beholder. Someone sees a 6'6, 315 lb athletic freak and it doesn't matter how he looks right now because of his "potential" to be so much better later down the road.

I liken it to the Logan Thomas situation. Guys are fawning over the guy because of what he looks like physically and bashing on guys like Tajh Boyd. I don't think there is any question who the better QB is. The issue is Thomas has a perceived upside that dwarfs Boyd's.

A scout sees Boyd throw and says "he can throw the ball, but he's only 6' feet tall". A scout sees Thomas throw and says "I can teach him to throw, I can't teach him to be 6-6". A lot of the time, scouts and draftniks fall in love with a guy because of what he looks like and not because of what he can do on a football field.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif

Couldn't have said it better. MSR

badboy
01-24-2014, 03:48 PM
Funny how two people watch the same practices and have two very different conclusions about Hageman.

We do that on this MB all the time. :peek:

mussop
01-24-2014, 04:19 PM
Funny how two people watch the same practices and have two very different conclusions about Hageman.

Will Sutton gets more mixed reviews than anyone.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 06:21 PM
Eight Players Who Disappointed During Senior Bowl Week (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67074130/eight-players-who-disappointed-during-senior-bowl-week)

Senior Bowl talent level down, but could feature six 1st-rounders (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317527/article/senior-bowl-talent-level-down-but-could-feature-six-1strounders)

Video commentary: Senior Bowl: South Team Scrimmage (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior-Bowl-South-Team-Scrimmage/4d380de1-61fb-4126-9979-4896d4b5ca79)

Video commentary: Senior Bowl: South Team Scrimmage (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior-Bowl-North-Squad-Scrimmage/0b9824f1-6321-48e3-bf79-55e2396edce6)

WolverineFan
01-24-2014, 06:52 PM
Eight Players Who Disappointed During Senior Bowl Week (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67074130/eight-players-who-disappointed-during-senior-bowl-week)

Most of the stuff I have read has not been very complementary of Trent Murphy. I was pretty high on him, but we may see a Chase Thomas like fall with him in the draft. Really depends on what he does at the combine.

Playoffs
01-24-2014, 09:30 PM
Most of the stuff I have read has not been very complementary of Trent Murphy. I was pretty high on him, but we may see a Chase Thomas like fall with him in the draft. Really depends on what he does at the combine.

Undrafted is harsh, but he's a tweener and those guys seem to rarely work out.

Playoffs
01-25-2014, 11:07 AM
The NFL Job Interview (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/24/senior-bowl-tajh-boyd-logan-thomas-stephen-morris/)
More than 100 players—all of them from college football’s recent crop of top-tier seniors—plunge into a microcosm of NFL life during the Senior Bowl showcase. They learn an NFL playbook, receive NFL coaching and have their strengths and weaknesses picked apart. For the group of North team quarterbacks The MMQB followed during the week—Boyd, Virginia Tech’s Logan Thomas and Miami’s Stephen Morris—this was uncharted territory.

Falcons coach Mike Smith, whose staff is coaching the North team, offered this bit of advice to players at the first team meeting: This is a job interview, but don’t look at it like that.

Easier said than done, right?

Aaron Donald earns Senior Bowl's top award for practice performance (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/aaron_donald_earns_senior_bowl.html)
Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald has been selected as the Most Outstanding Overall Player during Reese's Senior Bowl practices, the top honor in the Alabama Power Practice Awards.

...Jimmie Ward was selected as the Most Outstanding Defensive Back for the Senior Bowl practice week. Ward is a safety from Northern Illinois.

Auburn defensive end Dee Ford was selected as the Most Outstanding Defensive Lineman,

and Auburn place-kicker Cody Parkey was selected as the Most Outstanding Specialist.

The other position awards included:

Most Outstanding Quarterback: Derek Carr, Fresno State.

Most Outstanding Running Back: Charles Sims, West Virginia.

Most Outstanding Receiver: C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa

Most Outstanding Offensive Lineman: Zach Martin, Notre Dame

Most Outstanding Linebacker: Chris Borland, Wisconsin

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 11:33 AM
Charles Sims reminds me of Matt Forte. I have a feeling he will have a good pro career.

Playoffs
01-25-2014, 02:38 PM
Wyoming Wide Receiver Robert Herron Never Had It Easy (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1936140-wyoming-wide-receiver-robert-herron-never-had-it-easy)
He never had it easy.

Sitting in a quiet hotel room detailing a complicated past, Wyoming wide receiver Robert Herron opened up about a life not many could understand.

Raised in South Central Los Angeles, a place where the odds are not in a young man’s favor, this story includes no silver spoons.

A stoic Herron, driven by a need to succeed and persevere, couldn’t help but succumb to the emotions of his past.

A brief moment of vulnerability from a rock-solid young man soon dissipates as Herron continues sharing his journey of strength, focus and determination. At every step, every new encounter, he faced a myriad of challenges around each corner.

He never had it easy.

At 14 years old, Herron spent two months living in various hotel rooms, sleeping in cars, never a consistent place to rest his head.

He was homeless.

Herron’s father was incarcerated when he was four years old...


Charles Sims reminds me of Matt Forte. I have a feeling he will have a good pro career.

Yep, he was being compared to Forte and Vereen all week.

badboy
01-25-2014, 03:08 PM
Eight Players Who Disappointed During Senior Bowl Week (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67074130/eight-players-who-disappointed-during-senior-bowl-week)

Senior Bowl talent level down, but could feature six 1st-rounders (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000317527/article/senior-bowl-talent-level-down-but-could-feature-six-1strounders)

Video commentary: Senior Bowl: South Team Scrimmage (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior-Bowl-South-Team-Scrimmage/4d380de1-61fb-4126-9979-4896d4b5ca79)

Video commentary: Senior Bowl: South Team Scrimmage (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Senior-Bowl-North-Squad-Scrimmage/0b9824f1-6321-48e3-bf79-55e2396edce6)
The sources I use say all QBs had accuracy issues due to high winds but only Body is singled out? Well wind is not supposed to be an issue today's game. Let's see.

htownfan32
01-25-2014, 03:12 PM
Sims looks good so far. Good vision and has a gliding running style that reminds me a bit of Arian Foster.

ArlingtonTexan
01-25-2014, 03:19 PM
Uhm....not a good start by Boyd

badboy
01-25-2014, 03:25 PM
agreed but what is with all the rinky dinky short passes?

leebigeztx
01-25-2014, 03:27 PM
The worse thing about boyds int was situational football. 3 and 1, get the 1st down, keep chains moving. Throw the bomb on 2 and 3.

JB
01-25-2014, 03:27 PM
agreed but what is with all the rinky dinky short passes?

I didn't know Kubiak was coaching... :kitten:

ArlingtonTexan
01-25-2014, 04:03 PM
agreed but what is with all the rinky dinky short passes?

Well, if anything the North can't block the Sout's DL, especially Ford

badboy
01-25-2014, 04:26 PM
So far for me Fales and Garoppolo looking good. Carr also but ...you know


Stanley Jean Baptiste a guy I have followed is moving himself up board. He's had two very good plays so far in first half.

Honoring Earl 34
01-25-2014, 04:34 PM
So far for me Fales and Garoppolo looking good. Carr also but ...you know

Fales might have me thinking about a certain DE #1 .

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 05:06 PM
Logan Thomas is just awful. Can't see the field and has no awareness in the pocket. I think he's dropped back 10 times and he's been sacked on 4 of them.

badboy
01-25-2014, 05:07 PM
Dang Caraun Reid 6'2" 300 just blew past Cyril Richardson then next play the OG on other side for tackles on QB

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 05:16 PM
I also don't get the hype on Seantrel Henderson. Another guy who looks the part, but doesn't perform on the field. Has 100 lbs on Van Noy and got beat easily to the inside on that last sack.

JB
01-25-2014, 05:19 PM
I also don't get the hype on Seantrel Henderson. Another guy who looks the part, but doesn't perform on the field. Has 100 lbs on Van Noy and got beat easily to the inside on that last sack.

Wasn't Henderson in cement boots at the time? :roast:

badboy
01-25-2014, 05:20 PM
I also don't get the hype on Seantrel Henderson. Another guy who looks the part, but doesn't perform on the field. Has 100 lbs on Van Noy and got beat easily to the inside on that last sack.
FYI, Walter has Texans taking Van Noy in 2nd

Playoffs
01-25-2014, 05:22 PM
Dee Ford is hollering and screaming when he or anyone else on his DEF makes a play, whether he's on or off the field. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Aaron Donald catching some double teams, but expected to hear his name more.

Morgan Moses is a convention center.

Logan Thomas was injured on Ford sack earlier -- freezing up some, now.

Ford needs to wrap up.

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 05:33 PM
FYI, Walter has Texans taking Van Noy in 2nd

Would be awesome, but no way he lasts that long. Van Noy and Mosley are severely underrated to me. I actually like Van Noy more than Barr.

badboy
01-25-2014, 05:37 PM
Dee Ford is hollering and screaming when he or anyone else on his DEF makes a play, whether he's on or off the field. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Aaron Donald catching some double teams, but expected to hear his name more.

Morgan Moses is a convention center.

Logan Thomas was injured on Ford sack earlier -- freezing up some, now.

Ford needs to wrap up.
Ford to me looks like he is off sides almost every play. I wished Mettenberger had not gotten injured, I would like to focus on him.

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 05:56 PM
Ford to me looks like he is off sides almost every play.

I think he just has the snap counts down. Fales is the only guy that I've seen change up the count today.

Texian
01-25-2014, 06:35 PM
NFLDraftScout.com
2014 Senior Bowl: Auburn's Dee Ford headlines list of Risers-Fallers

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24420410/senior-bowl-auburns-dee-ford-headlines-list-of-risers-fallers

leebigeztx
01-26-2014, 01:15 AM
Been talking about Ford. He was on sirius and pat asked him if he could stand up and play. He said he was a good basketball player which indicates he probably can. His bend is incredible and he can squat like 700 lbs which means he's stronger than his body would indicate. The steelers always take ex de's and make them lbs. Been doing it for 25 yrs.

infantrycak
01-26-2014, 01:20 AM
The steelers always take ex de's and make them lbs. Been doing it for 25 yrs.

You say that like it is something special to the Steelers.

leebigeztx
01-26-2014, 01:26 AM
You say that like it is something special to the Steelers.

Not as many teams have been as successful as the steelers in doing it. I mean, Hoodies has replaced Mcginist yet. He's missed on a lot of guys trying to find that dude. That's why he's moved back to 3-4.

Playoffs
01-27-2014, 10:52 AM
Just one game, limited snaps, limited prep....

ReFo: North vs. South, 2014 Senior Bowl (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/27/refo-north-vs-south-2014-senior-bowl/)

With the BCS National Championship game already under our belts here at PFF, we’ve decided to make the move to grade this year’s Senior Bowl as well. The one-game caveats apply more than ever given the unique circumstances for this postseason all-star game, so be sure to read the note below.

It’s also important to note that all of the “winners” and “losers” articles that you’ll see around this week include an inside look at all of the practices, while also taking into consideration player interviews. Our grades include only the action that occurred on the field on Saturday afternoon in Mobile.
...

North Team – Three Performances of Note

Donald Wins the Week

A perfect example of week-long hype showing up in the game, Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald continued his march toward the first round with a dominant performance. He picked up a hit and four hurries on just 22 rushes, but he was well on his way to even more pressure had the opposing quarterbacks not gotten rid of the ball in less than two seconds on a few occasions.

Donald was right in the middle of the action in the middle of the second quarter when he put guard Gabe Jackson on skates on a bull rush that flushed quarterback David Fales from the pocket. He came back two plays later with more of the same, this time using the bull rush to put Jackson on the ground while teammate Michael Sam broke free for the sack. It was left guard Gabe Ikard feeling the strength of the bull rush later in the quarter as Donald put pushed him into QB Derek Carr’s lap. Carr’s quick release got the ball off in 1.4 seconds to avoid the “official” pressure, but Donald’s strong work was noted toward his +6.4 pass rush grade.

While Donald didn’t make as big of an impact against the run, he did provide disruption on a few plays and his +6.4 overall grade put a nice bow on his strong week in Mobile.

O-Line Struggles in Protection

North quarterbacks found themselves under pressure throughout the afternoon as the offensive line has some issues in pass protection. A pair of Miami linemen, guard Brandon Linder and tackle Seantrel Henderson, struggled early and often grading at -2.9 and -2.4, respectively in pass protection. Linder got tossed to the ground by DT Caraun Reid at the 11:20 mark of the second quarter before letting Reid get inside him for the pressure two plays later. He was later the culprit on Reid’s sack with 9:51 to go in the third. As for Henderson, he let DE Dee Ford get to QB Tajh Boyd in just 1.9 seconds early in the first quarter before whiffing on an IK Enemkpali spin move at the 8:29 mark of the first. He gave up a sack, hit, and hurry on his 23 attempts.

In addition to the two Miami linemen, guard Cyril Richardson had his issues as a pass blocker, grading at -1.9 while surrendering a sack and a hurry on 15 attempts. He gave up Reid’s first sack as he surrendered too much ground to the inside on the three-step drop. Despite the poor effort in pass protection, all three of the aforementioned players did fare a bit better in the run game, as did the rest of the North’s offensive line.

Borland All Over Field

It was obvious early on that linebacker Chris Borland was one of the North’s top defenders as he made plays both in the running game and in coverage. One of the knocks on Borland coming into the game centered on his inability to shed blocks, but he had no issues juking past fullback Jay Prosch’s lead block to get in on the tackle at the 11:27 mark of the first. It was an impressive show of agility from Borland and could bode well for his second-level block shedding in the NFL.

He later showed his closing ability in coverage as he quickly sniffed out the screen pass and forced the fumble on running back Jerick McKinnon. As the draft process continues to unfold, Borland will be an interesting case in the yearly debate about measurables vs. production, but his +2.9 effort Saturday was a good step in the right direction as he states his case.

South Team – Three Performances of Note

D-Line Gets After the Passer, Struggles Against the Run

As is probably obvious from the North offensive line’s struggles in pass protection, the South team did a nice job pressuring North quarterbacks. Ford led the way picking up two sacks to go along with a hit, hurry, and a batted pass on his 33 rushes. He was amazingly quick off the snap, as he often had a step on opposing tackles before they even got out of their stance. Ford finished at +3.6 as a pass rusher, but some over pursuit against the run and two penalties knocked his overall grade down to +0.2.

Fellow defensive end Chris Smith was getting similar jumps off the snap. He picked up three hurries and a batted pass on his 28 rushes, but a -1.6 run grade and an offsides penalty brought him down to -1.3 overall for the game. The other top pass rusher for the South was Reid who finished at +3.1 with his two sacks. Throw in a sack and +1.2 rush grade for LB Kyle Van Noy, and it was a strong pass rushing performance for the South, even if the run defense had its lapses.

Playmakers in Coverage

It certainly wasn’t a great performance by the North’s quarterbacks, but the South’s defense did their part in coverage, and they did so at all levels of the defense. Linebacker Telvin Smith’s +2.2 coverage grade stemmed from his quick reactions to the North’s screen game as he was almost always in on tackles to keep them to minimum gains. College teammate Christian Jones also had a strong game, breaking quickly on short routes on his way to a +1.5 coverage grade.

The secondary got into the act with three interceptions, starting with free safety Craig Loston’s nice play on an errant deep ball from Boyd at the 12:45 mark of the first quarter. CB Keith McGill had a similar interception, taking advantage of a falling wide receiver to make the sideline pick on QB Stephen Morris. Overall, the South defense surrendered only 137 yards through the air to go along with their five sacks as they shut down the North’s passing game.

Quarterback Play

The South’s quarterbacks weren’t all that much better than their North counterparts. Fresno State’s Derek Carr got the starting nod, and while he leaves Mobile as the consensus top quarterback of the group, it wasn’t from anything he did during Saturday’s game. Like his college offense, Carr got the ball out quickly on screens and short passes as his wide receivers did a lot of work after the catch. His longest pass of the day was a 17-yard touchdown to Gillmore as the Colorado State tight end broke free on a busted coverage and Carr hit him on the 2-yard shallow cross.

It says a lot that the highlight of Carr’s day may have been his incomplete deep ball to WR Kevin Norwood who appeared to flatten his route a bit more than Carr expected. When you throw in a near-interception on a slant, it wasn’t a great overall performance for Carr who finished at +2.0.

After Carr came Jimmy Garroppolo who showed his quick release while flashing some ability in the boot game, but his downfield inaccuracy kept him at -0.5 for the game. The last South quarterback was David Fales who threw the best pass of the game as he hit WR Jordan Matthews in stride with an over-the-shoulder ‘Go’ route. Fales’ only incompletion was a badly underthrown deep ball with Donald in his face, so while it wasn’t a perfect day, his +1.1 overall paced the underwhelming quarterback group.

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