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Playoffs
01-15-2014, 01:18 PM
Daniel Jeremiah Big Board/Top 50 (http://www.nfl.com/top50)

1 Clowney, Jadeveon DE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M
6 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
7 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
8 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
9 Mosley, C.J. OLB Alabama
10 Bridgewater, Teddy QB Louisville
11 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
12 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan
13 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
14 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville
15 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
16 Benjamin, Kelvin WR Florida St.
17 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame
18 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
19 Dennard, Darqueze CB Michigan St.
20 Lee, Marqise WR USC
21 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St.
22 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
23 Hageman, Ra'Shede DT Minnesota
24 Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE Washington
25 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame
26 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech
27 Kouandjio, Cyrus OT Alabama
28 Tuitt, Stephon DE Notre Dame
29 Ealy, Kony DE Missouri
30 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
31 Shazier, Ryan OLB Ohio St.
32 Easley, Dominique DT Florida Senior
33 Landry, Jarvis WR LSU
34 Moses, Morgan OT Virginia
35 Lawrence, Demarcus DE Boise St.
36 Richardson, Paul WR Colorado
37 Joyner, Lamarcus CB Florida St.
38 Verrett, Jason CB TCU
39 Ford, Dee DE Auburn
40 Adams, Davante WR Fresno St.
41 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
42 McCarron, AJ QB Alabama
43 Cooks, Brandin WR Oregon St.
44 Carr, Derek QB Fresno St.
45 Matthews, Jordan WR Vanderbilt
46 Colvin, Aaron CB Oklahoma
47 Mason, Tre RB Auburn
48 Murphy, Trent OLB Stanford
49 Jones, Daquan DT Penn St.
50 Roby, Bradley CB Ohio St.

Playoffs
01-15-2014, 06:49 PM
Bucky's Top 5 2014 NFL Draft prospects by position (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313170/article/top-5-2014-nfl-draft-prospects-by-position-quarterbacks)

TexansFTW
01-15-2014, 10:50 PM
Very interesting stuff. I really like Pryor, but I think they've got him about 15-20 positions too high. Unless he shows me things that I don't believe he can do at the combine, I don't see him as a top 20 guy, despite team needs.

Bucky has a very interesting WR top 5.

What do you think, Playoffs and anyone else, about Sammy Watkins as #2 despite posting that thing from Peshek in another thread you posted breaking down the "top 4" WRs.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 02:13 PM
Gil Brandt's top 50 NFL prospects list (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000312939/article/johnny-manziel-ranks-no-1-on-top-50-nfl-prospects-list)
1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Manziel (6-0, 205 pounds) is a unique athlete who produced 10,000 yards of offense in two seasons with the Aggies. He has great vision at quarterback.

2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

3. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
In two seasons, Bridgewater (6-foot-2 1/2, 207 pounds) had 58 TD passes and only 12 interceptions and a completion percentage of nearly 70 percent. His thin upper body is a concern.

6. Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
Bortles (6-foot-3 1/2, 225 pounds) is the flavor of the month right now. He has emerged after receiving only two offers out of high school, including one from Purdue, which recruited him as a tight end. In two years he had 50 TD passes to 16 interceptions.

7. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

8. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo

9. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

10. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

11. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Hageman (6-foot-5, 315 pounds) is a hard player to grade. He didn't play many plays because the Gophers ran him in and out, and he lined up at both defensive tackle and defensive end. He might be too tall to be a DT in the NFL, but is good enough to convert to end. He's very athletic and was the top-rated tight end out of high school.

12. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

13. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

14. Marqise Lee, WR, USC

15. Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

16. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

17. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

18. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

19. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

20. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

21. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

22. Stephon Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame
Tuitt (6-foot-5, 320 pounds) had 19.5 sacks in the past two years and one interception vs. Michigan this season. He plays the run well and is athletic, but is he tough?

23. Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
Nix (6-foot-2 1/2, 325 pounds) missed most of the season with an injury after playing well in 2012. He looks the part of a defensive tackle, with good size, quickness and lateral movement.

24. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Ealy (6-foot-4, 277 pounds) played very well in the Cotton Bowl vs. Oklahoma State, recording two sacks, giving him 9.5 for the season. He has good quickness. He is a two-year starter but had one good year.

25. Zach Martin, OT, Notre Dame

26. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU

27. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Jernigan (6-foot-1 1/2 300 pounds) played as a true freshman in 2011 and started only two games in 2012. His quickness allows him to be a very disruptive player.

28. Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida

29. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Seferian-Jenkins (6-foot-5, 265 pounds) is a big target but is a better receiver than a blocker. He won the Mackey Award this season as the nation's top tight end and had 105 catches and 15 touchdowns over the past two years.

30. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

31. Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida

32. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State

33. Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State

34. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State

35. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

36. Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona

37. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma

38. Xavier Su'a-Filo, OT, UCLA

39. Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor

40. Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State

41. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Donald (6-0, 285 pounds) is a lot like Bills DT Kyle Williams. He has very long arms and has had great production in college, with 16 1/2 sacks over two years.

42. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Roby (5-foot-10 1/2, 192 pounds) was beaten a lot in coverage this year and didn't play up to his potential. He could help himself by working out at the Combine.

43. Tre Mason, RB, Auburn

44. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

45. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

46. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

47. Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
Beckham (5-foot-11, 187 pound) won the Paul Hornung Award as the nation's most versatile player. He's a good pass catcher who also is skilled as a return man.

48. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee

49. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
I think McCarron (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) will be better than people think. He has talent and is a very smart quarterback. He won 36 games as a starter at Alabama, including two national titles (three overall).

50. Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas
read more: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000312939/article/johnny-manziel-ranks-no-1-on-top-50-nfl-prospects-list

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 07:06 PM
Four players debut, many others move in updated ratings (http://www.nfl.com/top50)
Daniel Jeremiah

Now that I've had an opportunity to study more players -- both on tape and at the all-star games) -- I've made a few adjustments to my Top 50 prospects list. There are four new additions and several players have been moved up or down on the list.

One new addition is Wisconsin linebacker Chris Borland. After seeing him up close at the Senior Bowl, I came away very impressed by his quickness and instincts. He makes his debut at number 43.

My top three quarterbacks remained in the same order: Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and Blake Bortles. The other two signal-callers that remained on my list were Derek Carr (44) and AJ McCarron (49). One wide receiver dropped out of my Top 50 (Jordan Matthews) but nine others remain.


1 Clowney, JdeveonDE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
5 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
6 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
7 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
8 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M
9 Mosley, C.J. OLB Alabama
10 Bridgewater,TeddyQB Louisville
11 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
12 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan
13 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
14 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
15 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville
16 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
17 Benjamin, KelvinWR Florida St.
18 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
19 Dennard, DarquezeCB Michigan St.
20 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame
21 Lee, Marqise WR USC
22 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St.
23 Hageman, Ra'ShedeDT Minnesota
24 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame
25 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech
26 Ealy, Kony DE Missouri
27 Moses, Morgan OT Virginia
28 Kouandjio, CyrusOT Alabama
29 Tuitt, Stephon DE Notre Dame
30 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
31 Landry, Jarvis WR LSU Junior
32 Cooks, Brandin WR Oregon St.
33 Easley, DominiqueDT Florida
34 Seferian-JenkinsTE Washington
35 Shazier, Ryan OLB Ohio St.
36 Lawrence,DemarcusDE Boise St.
37 Roby, Bradley CB Ohio St.
38 Adams, Davante WR Fresno St.
39 Ford, Dee DE Auburn
40 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
41 Richardson, PaulWR Colorado
42 Breeland, BashaudCB Clemson
43 Borland, Chris ILB Wisconsin
44 Carr, Derek QB Fresno St.
45 Joyner, LamarcusCB Florida St.
46 Niklas, Troy TE Notre Dame
47 Verrett, Jason CB TCU
48 Mason, Tre RB Auburn
49 McCarron, AJ QB Alabama
50 James, Ja'Wuan OT Tennessee

TexansFTW
02-10-2014, 09:24 PM
lol, now he's starting to do a better job of looking like every other big board out there.

I'm glad those are "his" adjustments.

I like Calvin Pryor, but he's starting to remind me a little of DJ Hayden. Good player starting to be projected too high. I do like that he can play both safety positions though, but still too high IMO.

Texian
02-11-2014, 08:44 AM
Daniel Jermiah has clearly demonstrated why he has been fired as an NFL scout 3 different times in 6 years. And why he is now a TV journalist and no longer a NFL scout.

mussop
02-11-2014, 01:09 PM
Daniel Jermiah has clearly demonstrated why he has been fired as an NFL scout 3 different times in 6 years. And why he is now a TV journalist and no longer a NFL scout.

Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

deucetx
02-11-2014, 01:26 PM
Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

Texian's top 25 big board probably looks like this:

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PapaL
02-11-2014, 01:45 PM
Texian's top 25 big board probably looks like this:

1 Blake Bortles
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Now THAT'S funny!

Texian
02-11-2014, 03:22 PM
Now THAT'S funny!

I can see that it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Texian
02-11-2014, 03:29 PM
Let's see your big board since you think you are smarter than him. :bubbles:

You can choose to accept his evaluations or not. Do so at your own risk. You've been warned.

matts290
02-11-2014, 03:41 PM
Not trying to single Texian out, but I think people here are too stringent on what scouts they do or do not give merit to...probably based on how that particular scouts views align with their own.

Jeremiah spent 8 seasons as NFL scout for 3 different teams; Browns, Ravens and most recently the Eagles and was the starting QB for Appalachian State for 3 seasons. I can only find info that he was fired by one organization and that was the Browns, and we all know how well they handle their personnel.

Regardless, Jeremiah's resume is more prolific than everyone on this forums combined, I think dismissing his opinion completely is foolish. I will take the word of a guy who was fired from an NFL job over the the word of a guy who sells insurance any day of the week.

Besides, what does it really matter who we choose to "follow" it's not like it has any impact on who the Texans take or how they play on Sundays...

TexansFTW
02-11-2014, 05:11 PM
I will take the word of a guy who was fired from an NFL job over the the word of a guy who sells insurance any day of the week.

Valid point and I hear you.

With that said, some 'scouts' frequently suck a lot more than others. This can be argued, but is hard to deny.

Random example: Matthew Berry, the LEAD fantasy football expert for ESPN, was a writer in Hollywood before coming over to ESPN AKA Sports Hollywood.

I don't think anyone should be written off without even listening, but I agree w/ Texian when he says take their info with a grain of salt. Even if your grain differs from his or theirs.

jradMIT
02-11-2014, 05:19 PM
Some guys are naturally contrarians, obviously someone will be wrong every year, some more than others, but sometimes they are right too.

Marshall
02-11-2014, 05:29 PM
I can see that it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Good thing...

Corrosion
02-11-2014, 06:08 PM
Some guys are naturally contrarians, obviously someone will be wrong every year, some more than others, but sometimes they are right too.

mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible

Corrosion
02-11-2014, 06:09 PM
mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible

A broke clock is right twice a day.

Corrosion
02-11-2014, 06:11 PM
mumbling .. incoherent .... blind squirrel finds a nut ....inaudible


A broke clock is right twice a day.

:headhurts:

:polevault:

:smiliepalm:

mussop
02-11-2014, 06:31 PM
You can choose to accept his evaluations or not. Do so at your own risk. You've been warned.

So I should ignore a real scout but listen to some internet writer/ intern and rob rang? Gotcha!!!

Texian
02-11-2014, 07:29 PM
So I should ignore a real scout but listen to some internet writer/ intern and rob rang? Gotcha!!!

You can do whatever you want, you're a BIG boy. A real scout who was fired from 3 different scouting jobs in 6 years. That should tell you something. If a resume came across my desk that listed (3) different jobs/employers in last (6) years, it goes straight into the the trash can, do not pass go. Says they are not very good at their job or do not get along well with others or both. There are reasons they can't keep a job and they're usually not good. After reading and following Jeremiah for a couple of years I understand why he has been fired 3 time in 6 years. (This is called weeding the garden, separating the bad from the good). Jeremiah is to scouting what Emmitt Smith is to sports announcing.

Say what you will about Rob Rang but you also have to say he runs a million dollar website that is cosponsored by CBS Sports and the NFL uses his player evaluations for their own draft pages.

mussop
02-11-2014, 08:07 PM
You can do whatever you want, you're a BIG boy. A real scout who was fired from 3 different scouting jobs in 6 years. That should tell you something. If a resume came across my desk that listed (3) different jobs/employers in last (6) years, it goes straight into the the trash can, do not pass go. Says they are not very good at their job or do not get along well with others or both. There are reasons they can't keep a job and they're usually not good. After reading and following Jeremiah for a couple of years I understand why he has been fired 3 time in 6 years. (This is called weeding the garden, separating the bad from the good). Jeremiah is to scouting what Emmitt Smith is to sports announcing.

Say what you will about Rob Rang but you also have to say he runs a million dollar website that is cosponsored by CBS Sports and the NFL uses his player evaluations for their own draft pages.

Been fired from three nfl teams as a scout > never been a scout

thunderkyss
02-11-2014, 09:45 PM
Four players debut, many others move in updated ratings (http://www.nfl.com/top50)
Daniel Jeremiah



1 Clowney, JdeveonDE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
5 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
6 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
7 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
8 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M
9 Mosley, C.J. OLB Alabama
10 Bridgewater,TeddyQB Louisville
11 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
12 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan
13 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
14 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
15 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville


Kevin Sumlin must suck as a coach.

thunderkyss
02-11-2014, 09:51 PM
Been fired from three nfl teams as a scout > never been a scout

Kinda like Tim Teebow. Fired by three nfl teams as a QB... he's still not a QB.

Texian
02-11-2014, 10:03 PM
Been fired from three nfl teams as a scout > never been a scout

Jeremiah was...

Marshall
02-11-2014, 10:06 PM
Been fired from three nfl teams as a scout > never been a scout

or is it? The next great scout will always have a worse resume at the start of his run than the last great scout at the end of his run.

mussop
02-11-2014, 10:26 PM
Jeremiah was...

Rob Rang never was

htownfan32
02-11-2014, 11:27 PM
Kevin Sumlin must suck as a coach.

lol what?

FWIW I think Sumlin is a great coach, but IIRC all those players were Mike Sherman recruits - Manziel, Evans, and Matthews.

Sumlin's true test comes with what he can do with Kenny Hill, Ricky Seals Jones, Speedy Noil, Myles Garrett and Jermaine Eluemenor et al. his own recruits.

Scooter
02-11-2014, 11:53 PM
Jeremiah was...

a bullfrog?
a good friend of mine?

infantrycak
02-11-2014, 11:55 PM
a bullfrog?
a good friend of mine?

ooh, I know ... a mountain man.

Texian
02-12-2014, 05:12 AM
Rob Rang never was

and yet he was never fired from 3 jobs in 6 years and has a better eye for talent and is a talent evaluator than Jeremiah will ever be.

Contrary to what you might believe, like bad HC who get fired there are also bad scouts like Jeremiah who also get fired. Remember garbage in equal garbage out. My best advice to any draftnik, follow Mike Mayock.

mussop
02-12-2014, 07:15 AM
and yet he was never fired from 3 jobs in 6 years and has a better eye for talent and is a talent evaluator than Jeremiah will ever be.

Contrary to what you might believe, like bad HC who get fired there are also bad scouts like Jeremiah who also get fired. Remember garbage in equal garbage out. My best advice to any draftnik, follow Mike Mayock.

Jeremiah hired 3 times by nfl teams, rob rang hired by zero nfl teams. You actually have to get hired to get fired. So Rand has never even been good enough to get fired once. :pop:

TexansFTW
02-12-2014, 09:13 AM
When I took over my current job in the Natural Gas game I had no previous experience in GIS, but I studied up on it and played around with it on my own.

I took over for a guy that was fired with 4 years experience from 2 different companies. Needless to say, I'm still here and thriving. Just because he did it poorly didn't mean he was better than me.

I hear where yall are coming from though and this is another topic that is hard to argue and convince others of as long as we have no real news to go over.

mussop
02-12-2014, 09:20 AM
When I took over my current job in the Natural Gas game I had no previous experience in GIS, but I studied up on it and played around with it on my own.

I took over for a guy that was fired with 4 years experience from 2 different companies. Needless to say, I'm still here and thriving. Just because he did it poorly didn't mean he was better than me.

I hear where yall are coming from though and this is another topic that is hard to argue and convince others of as long as we have no real news to go over.

Only 9 more days till the combine thank gawd!

steelbtexan
02-12-2014, 09:41 AM
Only 9 more days till the combine thank gawd!

Amen!!!!!!

Then we will have more informed opinions on athletic abilities as well as their game tape. Provided the main guys participate.

Texian
02-12-2014, 09:45 AM
Jeremiah hired 3 times by nfl teams, rob rang hired by zero nfl teams. You actually have to get hired to get fired. So Rand has never even been good enough to get fired once. :pop:

With that mind set and rationale you probably think Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi are excellent NFL GMs. Carry on BIG boy...being average and mediocrity await you...I hope you make it. Carry On! :)

thunderkyss
02-12-2014, 10:56 AM
lol what?

FWIW I think Sumlin is a great coach, but IIRC all those players were Mike Sherman recruits - Manziel, Evans, and Matthews.
.

Doesn't matter who recruited them. If they are truly three of the top 15 to come out this year, he should have been in the conversation for National Championship.

Granted they did set offensive records in the SEC...

Playoffs
02-12-2014, 12:06 PM
Johnny Manziel the next Tony Romo? Matching prospects, pros (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325312/article/johnny-manziel-the-next-tony-romo-matching-prospects-pros)
When it comes to projecting how today's top prospects will perform at the next level, it can be helpful to consider which pro players they resemble. As yet another crop of rising stars prepares for the NFL Scouting Combine, I thought I'd match five key prospects up with the NFL veterans whose careers might best illustrate their potential.

Note: The measurables of the NFL players listed below (height, weight and speed) were pulled either from NFL Scouting Combine data or their pro days results. The measurables of the current draft prospects are estimates from scouting sources.

Johnny Manziel
Tale of the tape: Quarterback, Texas A&M, 6-foot-1, 210 pounds, 4.55-second 40-yard dash.

Pro comparison: ...

Khalil Mack
Tale of the tape: Linebacker, Buffalo, 6-2 5/8, 245, 4.65 40.

Pro comparison: ...

Mike Evans
Tale of the tape: Wide receiver, Texas A&M, 6-5, 225, 4.55 40.

Pro comparison: ...

Jarvis Landry
Tale of the tape: Wide receiver, LSU, 6-1, 195, 4.68 40.

Pro comparison: ...

Jadeveon Clowney
Tale of the tape: Defensive end, South Carolina, 6-6, 274, 4.5 40.

Pro comparison: ...

mussop
02-12-2014, 12:33 PM
With that mind set and rationale you probably think Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi are excellent NFL GMs. Carry on BIG boy...being average and mediocrity await you...I hope you make it. Carry On! :)

Nope they defiantly suck but still better at what they do than some guy who runs a website and pretends to do what they do.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 03:31 PM
Nawrocki did these writeups, not sure who was involved in the grades...

NFL Draft Propects ranked by Draft Grade (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade)

Clowney, JdeveonDE 6'5" 270 South Carolina 7.5
Watkins, Sammy WR 6'0" 205 Clemson 7.0
Robinson, Greg OT 6'5" 325 Auburn 6.7
Matthews, Jake OT 6'5" 310 Texas A&M 6.7
Mack, Khalil OLB 6'3" 245 Buffalo 6.7
Barr, Anthony OLB 6'5" 244 UCLA 6.6
Mosley, C.J. ILB 6'2" 228 Alabama 6.5
Benjamin, KelvinWR 6'4" 230 Florida St. 6.4
Ebron, Eric TE 6'3" 245 North Carolina 6.4
Bortles, Blake QB 6'4" 230 Central Florida 6.4
Gilbert, Justin CB 6'0" 195 Oklahoma St. 6.3
Bridgwater,TeddyQB 6'3" 205 Louisville 6.3
Tuitt, Stephon DE 6'5" 315 Notre Dame 6.2
Lee, Marqise WR 5'11" 195 USC 6.2
Hyde, Carlos RB 6'0" 238 Ohio St. 6.2
Lewan, Taylor OT 6'7" 310 Michigan 6.1
Pryor, Calvin FS 6'1" 210 Louisville 6.1
Evans, Mike WR 6'4" 225 Texas A&M 6.1
Shazier, Ryan OLB 6'1" 230 Ohio St. 6.1
ClintonDix, HaHaFS 6'0" 210 Alabama 6.1
Hageman, RShede DT 6'6" 311 Minnesota 6.1
Lawrence, DmarcsDE 6'3" 245 Boise St. 6.1
Roby, Bradley CB 5'10" 190 Ohio St. 6.0
Martin, Zack OT 6'4" 308 Notre Dame 5.9
Adams, Davante WR 6'1" 215 Fresno St. 5.9

TexansFTW
02-17-2014, 04:14 PM
What a joke grading system. I've heard several different people say this is one of the better and deeper drafts in recent years and this joker only gives 2 people in it a C. Everyone else D or failing.

This is like movie critics that say it's the best movie they've seen in a long time then give it a 6.5. AKA D-bags.

Wolf6151
02-17-2014, 04:32 PM
I wonder what Tom Brady's grade was when he was taken #199 overall in the 6th round of the draft. So much of what a player becomes is between his ears and in his heart, and can't be measured or predicted.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 04:33 PM
NFL.com grading scale...

9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-caliber player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
4.76-5.00 50/50 Chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp

Kind of a strange weighting at the top. 8.5 = half-perennial all pro...? :hmmm:

TexansFTW
02-17-2014, 04:38 PM
I wonder what Tom Brady's grade was when he was taken #199 overall in the 6th round of the draft. So much of what a player becomes is between his ears and in his heart, and can't be measured or predicted.

-3.0 if it was these guys.

infantrycak
02-17-2014, 04:57 PM
NFL.com grading scale...

Kind of a strange weighting at the top. 8.5 = half-perennial all pro...? :hmmm:

So Clowney the once in a decade player just barely nips into future all-pro?

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 05:18 PM
So Clowney the once in a decade player just barely nips into future all-pro?

Luke Joeckel got a 95.3 last year (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade), so he's like 12 times better than Clowney and sure fire All Eon Team.

TexansFTW
02-17-2014, 05:33 PM
Luke Joeckel got a 95.3 last year (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade), so he's like 12 times better than Clowney and sure fire All Eon Team.

Geno got an 88.0 last year too. I guess this year's class is just the absolute bottom of the barrel.

Playoffs
02-26-2014, 08:30 PM
Bucky Brooks (http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000000329512/article/buckys-big-board-20-sammy-watkins-khalil-mack-rise-up)
Without further ado, here are my post-combine rankings:

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Rise/fall: --

The freakishly talented pass rusher is an athletic marvel with the potential to wreak havoc on the NFL, as evidenced by his remarkable combine performance. Of course, concerns about Clowney's inconsistent motor and questionable judgment will prompt coaches and scouts to dig into his character, but the talent and potential far outweighs his immaturity at this point.

2. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
Rise/fall: --

The Tigers' punishing running game was fueled by the dominance of Robinson on the edge. The 6-foot-5, 332-pounder is an impressive athlete with a nasty disposition. Most importantly, he is technician with the body control and agility to neutralize elite rushers in pass protection.

3. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Rise/fall: (+3)

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+2)

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Rise/fall: (-2)

Bridgewater bypassed an opportunity to put his wares on display at the combine, but the absence will have little impact on his draft stock. The Cardinals' standout is the most pro-ready quarterback in the 2014 class; he will have a chance to prove that on March 17 at Louisville's pro day.

6. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+1)

Manziel measured in slightly below the six-foot mark, but scouts in his corner won't blink at his diminutive physical dimension due to his remarkable talent. The Texas A&M star is a creative playmaker with an alpha-dog personality that allows him to perform well when the lights are the brightest. With teams growing more comfortable with his character, it's quite possible that he could make a run at the top spot on the draft board in Houston.

7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
Rise/fall: (-3)

8. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Rise/fall: (+3)

9. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Rise/fall: --

10. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
Rise/fall: (+5)

There is a growing faction of NFL scouts who feel Mack could be a top-5 pick when the process is completed. The Bulls' star is an explosive "plug and play" defender with a knack for creating disruption off the edge.

11. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Rise/fall: (+1)

12. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
Rise/fall: (-2)

13. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Rise/fall: (+12)

14. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (NR)

15. Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (-1)

It's hard to find another defender in the 2014 class capable of matching Shazier's disruptive impact. The 6-1, 237-pound junior notched 15 sacks and 45.5 tackles for loss in three seasons, while serving as a "Jack of all trades" for the Buckeyes. He is a sideline-to-sideline playmaker with the speed, quickness and burst defensive coaches covet at the second level. Size could be an issue based on his slender frame, but production and playmaking ability could outweigh those concerns on draft day.

16. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Rise/fall: --

17. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
Rise/fall: --

18. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
Rise/fall: (+4)

The momentum is building behind Bortles as a franchise quarterback due to prototypical physical dimensions, arm talent and athleticism. He has checks all of the boxes in those areas, but remains a work in progress as a playmaker in the pocket. Now, some coaches believe those traits can be developed on the practice field, making Bortles a candidate to go much higher than his film suggests at this time.

19. Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
Rise/fall: (+1)

20. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Rise/fall: (+3)

21. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Rise/fall: (-2)

22. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
Rise/fall: (NR)

Scouts on the West Coast have been singing Cooks' praises since the middle of the fall, but now the buzz is in full effect after watching him blow up the combine. The Biletnikoff Award winner is one of the most explosive players in the draft, with a game that is ideally suited for an offense featuring "catch and run" plays.

23. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Rise/fall: (-2)

Scouts across the NFL will have to wage the production vs. potential debate when discussing Hageman. The 6-6, 310-pound defender is an athletic freak with the natural talent to blossom into a Pro Bowler. However, he is maddeningly inconsistent on tape and rarely produces the splash plays expected from a defender with his athletic gifts. Although he seemingly put it together at the Senior Bowl, the fact that he didn't consistently dominate makes it tough to rank him higher at this point.

24. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Rise/fall: (NR)

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (NR)

On the bubble:

C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Justin Verrett, CB, TCU
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno Stat

Playoffs
03-01-2014, 06:35 PM
Bucky's Big Board 2.0 (http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000000329512/article/buckys-big-board-20-sammy-watkins-khalil-mack-rise-up)
With that in mind, I believe it's still a good time to release my Big Board 2.0 based on the information gathered from talking to scouts and watching workouts over the weekend. As always, feel free to hit me up on Twitter (@BuckyBrooks) with questions and comments.

Without further ado, here are my post-combine rankings:

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Rise/fall: --

The freakishly talented pass rusher is an athletic marvel with the potential to wreak havoc on the NFL, as evidenced by his remarkable combine performance. Of course, concerns about Clowney's inconsistent motor and questionable judgment will prompt coaches and scouts to dig into his character, but the talent and potential far outweighs his immaturity at this point.

2. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
Rise/fall: --

3. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Rise/fall: (+3)

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+2)

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Rise/fall: (-2)

Bridgewater bypassed an opportunity to put his wares on display at the combine, but the absence will have little impact on his draft stock. The Cardinals' standout is the most pro-ready quarterback in the 2014 class; he will have a chance to prove that on March 17 at Louisville's pro day.

6. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+1)

Manziel measured in slightly below the six-foot mark, but scouts in his corner won't blink at his diminutive physical dimension due to his remarkable talent. The Texas A&M star is a creative playmaker with an alpha-dog personality that allows him to perform well when the lights are the brightest. With teams growing more comfortable with his character, it's quite possible that he could make a run at the top spot on the draft board in Houston.

7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
Rise/fall: (-3)

8. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Rise/fall: (+3)

9. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Rise/fall: --

10. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
Rise/fall: (+5)

There is a growing faction of NFL scouts who feel Mack could be a top-5 pick when the process is completed. The Bulls' star is an explosive "plug and play" defender with a knack for creating disruption off the edge.

11. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Rise/fall: (+1)

12. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
Rise/fall: (-2)

13. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Rise/fall: (+12)

14. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (NR)

15. Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (-1)

16. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Rise/fall: --

17. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
Rise/fall: --

18. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
Rise/fall: (+4)

19. Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
Rise/fall: (+1)

20. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Rise/fall: (+3)

21. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Rise/fall: (-2)

22. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
Rise/fall: (NR)

23. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Rise/fall: (-2)

24. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Rise/fall: (NR)

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (NR)

On the bubble:

C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Justin Verrett, CB, TCU
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

Dropped out of previous top-25 Big Board: C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama (8); Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame (13); Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame (18); Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (24).

Top 5 NFL Draft prospects by position (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313170/article/top-5-2014-nfl-draft-prospects-by-position-quarterbacks)

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 02:43 PM
Daniel Jeremiah Top 50 (http://www.nfl.com/top50)

1 Clowney, JdeveonDE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M
6 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
7 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
8 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
9 Bridgewater,TeddyQB Louisville
10 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
11 Mosley, C.J. ILB Alabama
12 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan
13 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
14 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
15 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
16 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville
17 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
18 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
19 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
20 Dennard,DarquezeCB Michigan St.
21 Lee, Marqise WR USC
22 Benjamin, KelvinWR Florida St.
23 Hageman, RaShedeDT Minnesota
24 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame
25 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame
26 Cooks, Brandin WR Oregon St.
27 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St.
28 Moses, Morgan OT Virginia
29 Shazier, Ryan OLB Ohio St.
30 Roby, Bradley CB Ohio St.
31 Tuitt, Stephon DE Notre Dame
32 Landry, Jarvis WR LSU
33 Ealy, Kony DE Missouri
34 Carr, Derek QB Fresno St.
35 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech
36 Verrett, Jason CB TCU
37 Lawrence,DemarcusDE Boise St.
38 Ford, Dee DE Auburn
39 Fuller, Kyle CB Virginia Tech
40 SeferianJenkins,AustinTEWashington
41 Easley, DominiqueDT Florida
42 Adams, Davante WR Fresno St
43 Kouandjio, CyrusOT Alabama
44 Ward, Jimmie SS Northern Illinois
45 Su'aFilo, XavierOG UCLA
46 Mason, Tre RB Auburn
47 Richardson, PaulWR Colorado
48 Joyner, LamarcusCB Auburn
49 Niklas, Troy TE Notre Dame
50 Breeland,BashaudCB Clemson

Playoffs
03-03-2014, 08:24 PM
Bucky Brooks Scout's take: Putting NFL draft analytics to the test (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329921/article/scouts-take-blog-draft-observations-by-an-exnfl-player-scout)
I've often wondered why analytics have been used prominently in the pre-draft evaluations in other major sports leagues, but haven't been fully incorporated into the scouting process in the NFL. The old-school mentality of scouts in pro football prompts decision makers to rely more on gut instincts and feel instead of statistical analysis when making player evaluations and comparisons.

That's why I initially resisted taking on a project that asked me to examine player comparisons based solely on the NFL Insight (a statistical database developed by NFL's IT department) examination of the empirical data gathered at the NFL Scouting Combine since 2003. While I certainly believe statistical analysis should play a role in evaluating players, I don't believe the numbers can accurately portray a prospect's talent or potential without factoring in key variables (scheme, opponent, weather conditions, etc.) that ultimately affect performance. Additionally, I believe the impact of pre-combine training has skewed the measurements in several drills, namely the 40-yard dash, pro-agility shuttle and three-cone drill. Thus, the combine numbers are no longer indicative of a prospect's pure speed or athleticism on the field.

Finally, I believe a prospect's DNA is actually revealed on game film. Astute evaluators are able to assess a player's talent, performance and overall potential by digging into the tape to see how well he has performed against elite competition. Although past performance is certainly not an accurate predictor of future results, it does provide a host of clues that allow scouts to make solid assessments on a player's long-term potential in the right environment.

With that as a backdrop, I would like to play a game of man vs. computer over the next week to test my evaluation skills against NFL Insight and the NFL Media research team. I will analyze their pro comparisons on a handful of prospects, and let you know where they were right or wrong on their assessments. Given the importance of the quarterback position, I believe it is only right that we start with two of the top quarterbacks in the 2014 class, Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles, to see what past prospects they're connected to based on their combine test results...

TexansFTW
03-04-2014, 11:48 AM
Bucky Brooks Scout's take: Putting NFL draft analytics to the test (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329921/article/scouts-take-blog-draft-observations-by-an-exnfl-player-scout)

lol, this will be good.

The thing about man vs. machine is man will always have a built in excuse and he already named like 4 of them going into this.

But is he going to do any real comparisons between man vs. machine (analytics) or was that it right there? Just a 'nah, he doesn't really match up with those QBs with similar combine numbers'.

thunderkyss
03-04-2014, 01:02 PM
lol, this will be good.

The thing about man vs. machine is man will always have a built in excuse and he already named like 4 of them going into this.

But is he going to do any real comparisons between man vs. machine (analytics) or was that it right there? Just a 'nah, he doesn't really match up with those QBs with similar combine numbers'.

I think analytics work well in baseball & basketball because the seasons are so long & include a shtload of games. By the time such trends are identified in football, the season is over.

Playoffs
03-20-2014, 05:11 PM
Daniel Jeremiah (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts)

1 HOU
JADEVEON CLOWNEY DESOUTH CAROLINA

The buzz is building for Blake Bortles to land in this spot, but I'm holding to my belief that the Texans will take the best available talent and that's Clowney.

2 STL
GREG ROBINSON OTAUBURN

3 JAC
SAMMY WATKINS WRCLEMSON

4 CLE
JAKE MATTHEWS OTTEXAS A&M

5 OAK
BLAKE BORTLES QBCENTRAL FLORIDA

The Raiders quietly filled some holes in free agency, but they still need a long-term solution at the quarterback position.

6 ATL
KHALIL MACK OLBBUFFALO

7 TB
TAYLOR LEWAN OTMICHIGAN

8 MIN
JOHNNY MANZIEL QBTEXAS A&M

The Vikings have a strong running game that would complement Manziel's style of play.

9 BUF
MIKE EVANS WRTEXAS A&M

10 DET
JUSTIN GILBERT CBOKLAHOMA ST.

11 TEN
ANTHONY BARR OLBUCLA

12 NYG
ERIC EBRON TENORTH CAROLINA

13 STL
HA HA CLINTON-DIX FSALABAMA

14 CHI
TIMMY JERNIGAN NTFLORIDA ST.

15 PIT
ODELL BECKHAM WRLSU

16 DAL
AARON DONALD DTPITTSBURGH

17 BAL
CALVIN PRYOR FSLOUISVILLE

18 NYJ
BRANDIN COOKS WROREGON ST.

19 MIA
ZACK MARTIN OTNOTRE DAME

20 ARI
BRADLEY ROBY CBOHIO ST.

21 GB
C.J. MOSLEY ILBALABAMA

22 PHI
DARQUEZE DENNARD CBMICHIGAN ST.

23 KC
MARQISE LEE WRUSC

24 CIN
KYLE FULLER CBVIRGINIA TECH

25 SD
LOUIS NIX NTNOTRE DAME

26 CLE
TEDDY BRIDGEWATER QBLOUISVILLE

I still view Bridgewater as the top quarterback in this draft class, but he has failed to generate excitement among the personnel executives I've talked to. If he falls past the Titans at pick No. 11, I think it's realistic he could slide all the way down to this spot.

27 NO
DEE FORD DEAUBURN

28 CAR
KELVIN BENJAMIN WRFLORIDA ST.

29 NE
XAVIER SU'A-FILO OGUCLA

30 SF
JASON VERRETT CBTCU

31 DEN
RYAN SHAZIER OLBOHIO ST.

32 SEA
MORGAN MOSES OTVIRGINIA

bah007
03-20-2014, 07:37 PM
Talk about an overreaction to a workout...

beerlover
03-20-2014, 08:33 PM
They're having wet dreams in Cleveland right now, lol

Playoffs
04-01-2014, 11:50 PM
Daniel Jeremiah Updated (http://www.nfl.com/draft365/rankings)

1 Clowney, Jadeveon DE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M

6 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
7 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
8 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
9 Mosley, C.J. ILB Alabama
10 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan

11 Bridgewater, Teddy QB Louisville
12 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
13 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
14 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
15 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville

16 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
17 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
18 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
19 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
20 Dennard, Darqueze CB Michigan St.

21 Cooks, Brandin WR Oregon St.
22 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame
23 Lee, Marqise WR USC
24 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St.
25 Benjamin, Kelvin WR Florida St.

26 Shazier, Ryan OLB Ohio St.
27 Roby, Bradley CB Ohio St.
28 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame
29 Moses, Morgan OT Virginia
30 Hageman, Ra'Shede DT Minnesota

31 Ealy, Kony DE Missouri
32 Fuller, Kyle CB Virginia Tech
33 Ford, Dee DE Auburn
34 Tuitt, Stephon DE Notre Dame
35 Carr, Derek QB Fresno St.

36 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech
37 Verrett, Jason CB TCU
38 Landry, Jarvis WR LSU
39 Lawrence, Demarcus DE Boise St.
40 Easley, Dominique DT Florida

41 Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE Washington
42 Adams, Davante WR Fresno St.
43 Kouandjio, Cyrus OT Alabama
44 Richardson, Paul WR Colorado
45 Ward, Jimmie SS Northern Illinois

46 Su'a-Filo , Xavier OG UCLA
47 Sankey, Bishop RB Washington
48 Thomas, Brandon G Clemson
49 Joyner, Lamarcus CB Florida St.
50 Borland, Chris ILB Wisconsin

disaacks3
04-02-2014, 08:03 AM
Daniel Jeremiah Updated (http://www.nfl.com/draft365/rankings) I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?

IDEXAN
04-02-2014, 08:18 AM
I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?
But isn't there a difference between the Mock Drafts and player ratings, this being the latter ?

Texian
04-02-2014, 09:58 AM
I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?

There is a reason Daniel Jeremiah was fired from 3 NFL scouting jobs in 6 years and is now a B-Team TV journalist.

disaacks3
04-02-2014, 12:09 PM
But isn't there a difference between the Mock Drafts and player ratings, this being the latter ? Sure, but as I've pointed out before, if he has such wild swings in his top 50, it means he either A) Has done a piss-poor job of analysis previously, or...B) He's simply regurgitating talk from elsewhere to make "his" list.

Either way, it's a list to take with a large grain of salt.

HOU-TEX
04-02-2014, 12:15 PM
Daniel Jeremiah Updated (http://www.nfl.com/draft365/rankings)

Looks about right to me.

thunderkyss
04-02-2014, 02:51 PM
I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?

In his previous top 50 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2307059&postcount=50), he has Bridgewater ahead of Manziel at nine & 10 respectively. Both of them dropping two spots in his latest.

He had Derek Carr at 34, only dropping one spot. Bortles was at 18, he also dropped one spot to 19, not leap frogging anyone.

Playoffs
04-28-2014, 08:15 PM
Daniel Jeremiah Top 50 (http://www.nfl.com/top50)


1 Clowney, Jadeveon DE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M
6 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
7 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
8 Mosley, C.J. ILB Alabama
9 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
10 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan
11 Bridgewater, Teddy QB Louisville
12 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
13 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
14 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
15 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville
16 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
17 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
18 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
19 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame
20 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
21 Dennard, Darqueze CB Michigan St.
22 Cooks, Brandin WR Oregon St.
23 Lee, Marqise WR USC
24 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St.
25 Shazier, Ryan OLB Ohio St.
26 Hageman, Ra'Shede DT Minnesota
27 Benjamin, Kelvin WR Florida St.
28 Roby, Bradley CB Ohio St.
29 Moses, Morgan OT Virginia
30 Fuller, Kyle CB Virginia Tech
31 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame
32 Ealy, Kony DE Missouri
33 Ford, Dee DE Auburn
34 Tuitt, Stephon DE Notre Dame
35 Carr, Derek QB Fresno St.
36 Verrett, Jason CB TCU
37 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech
38 Landry, Jarvis WR LSU
39 Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE Washington
40 Lawrence, Demarcus DE Boise St.
41 Easley, Dominique DT Florida
42 Kouandjio, Cyrus OT Alabama
43 Ward, Jimmie SS Northern Illinois
44 Su'a-Filo , Xavier OG UCLA
45 Smith, Marcus DE Louisville
46 Robinson, Allen WR Penn St.
47 Richburg, Weston C Colorado St.
48 Breeland, Bashaud CB Clemson
49 Adams, Davante WR Fresno St.
50 James, Ja'Wuan OT Tennessee