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Playoffs
01-15-2014, 12:05 PM
1. Johnny Manziel Houston Texans
2. Jake Matthews St. Louis Rams
3. Jadeveon Clowney Jacksonville Jaguars
4. Blake Bortles Cleveland Browns
5. Sammy Watkins Oakland Raiders
6. Anthony BarrAtlanta Falcons
7. Khalil MackTampa Bay Buccaneers
8. Teddy Bridgewater Minnesota Vikings
9. Greg Robinson Buffalo Bills
10. Justin Gilbert Detroit Lions
11. Taylor Lewan Tennessee Titans
12. C.J. Mosley New York Giants
13. Mike Evans St. Louis Rams
14. Timmy Jernigan Chicago Bears
15. Louis Nix III Pittsburgh Steelers
16. Eric Ebron Baltimore Ravens
18. Marqise Lee New York Jets
19. Cyrus Kouandjio Miami Dolphins
20. Zack Martin Arizona Cardinals
21. Calvin Pryor Green Bay Packers
22. Kelvin Benjamin Philadelphia Eagles
23. Stephon Tuitt Kansas City Chiefs
24. Darqueze Dennard Cincinnati Bengals
25. Bradley Roby San Diego Chargers
26. Carlos Hyde Cleveland Browns
27. Antonio Richardson New Orleans Saints
28. Brandin Cooks Carolina Panthers
29. Jace Amaro New England Patriots
30. Odell Beckham Jr. San Francisco 49ers
31. Scott Crichton Denver Broncos
32. Allen Robinson Seattle Seahawks

edwardc5637
01-17-2014, 04:48 PM
It would be just crazy for the Texan to take Manziel when Bridgewater is the better QB.

Texian
01-17-2014, 04:51 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103344

infantrycak
01-17-2014, 06:16 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103344

Rankings and mock drafts are distinct unless I am missing something.

mussop
01-17-2014, 10:44 PM
It would be just crazy for the Texan to take Manziel when Bridgewater is the better QB.

Is Bridgwater the better QB?

PapaL
01-18-2014, 01:43 AM
Is Bridgwater the better QB?

Yes but Kiper has to sell subscriptions to his service. What better way to sucker fans?

Corrosion
01-20-2014, 01:02 PM
Is Bridgwater the better QB?

Its possible he's the better player but it is a very debatable subject with many good reasons to believe one or the other is the better player / NFL prospect.

Glad my job isn't on the line with that decision.

Insideop
01-20-2014, 02:13 PM
Its possible he's the better player but it is a very debatable subject with many good reasons to believe one or the other is the better player / NFL prospect.

Glad my job isn't on the line with that decision.

I'm glad too! :)

mussop
01-20-2014, 07:08 PM
Yes but Kiper has to sell subscriptions to his service. What better way to sucker fans?

That is up for debate.

Playoffs
04-17-2014, 12:01 PM
Kiper 4.0 2 rounder (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&version=4)
1Jadeveon ClowneyHouston Texans (2-14)COLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE
Analysis: I'm certain the debate about which player to take still exists, and whether the pick could be moved. I still think this could be a quarterback. But I believe that while more than one "safe" pick exists in this draft, it's hard to play it safer in terms of upside than selecting a generational physical talent, a guy who has exceptional physical skills and the ability to bring immediate impact and create consistent matchup problems up front as teams deal with the reality of how to block both Clowney and J.J. Watt. The questions on Clowney still aren't enough to diminish the potential impact. He's the top prospect in a draft full of very good ones, and I think Houston will feel the same.

2Greg RobinsonSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AuburnHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

3Sammy WatkinsJacksonville Jaguars (4-12)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 211POS: WR

4Johnny ManzielCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: QB
Analysis: Manziel is not my top-rated QB, but he is the QB I believe (right now) is likeliest to go this high, as I believe a team like Cleveland, with a number of draft assets and a QB on the roster it feels can create a bridge to a young starter, is in a good scenario to take a chance on Manziel's ceiling. The Browns owning the No. 26 pick as well as an early second-rounder gives them a chance to take a player like Watkins here if available and consider a QB later, but this is how I see it as of right now.

5Khalil MackOakland Raiders (4-12)COLLEGE: BuffaloHT: 6-2WT: 251POS: OLB

6Taylor LewanAtlanta Falcons (4-12)COLLEGE: MichiganHT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

7Mike EvansTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 231POS: WR

8Blake BortlesMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)COLLEGE: UCFClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB
Analysis: The combination of Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder will provide a bridge to Bortles, a player I believe would benefit from not starting early as he develops a familiarity with an offense that requires more downfield reads. I don't have Bortles rated as high as I do Bridgewater, but again, this is a projection of where players will be chosen, not my prospect rankings. What I will say is that I do believe Bortles has a high ceiling because he's a pretty special athlete with some really good instincts for the position; his pocket movement in particular is really impressive. When you consider his development trajectory, there's a lot to be excited about.

9Jake MatthewsBuffalo Bills (6-10)COLLEGE: Texas A&MHT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

10Ha Ha Clinton-DixDetroit Lions (7-9)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

11Justin GilbertTennessee Titans (7-9)COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

12Eric EbronNew York Giants (7-9)COLLEGE: North CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

13Darqueze DennardSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: SrHT: 5-10WT: 199POS: CB

14Aaron DonaldChicago Bears (8-8)COLLEGE: PittsburghHT: 6-0WT: 285POS: DT

15Odell Beckham Jr.Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8)COLLEGE: LSUClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

16Zack MartinDallas Cowboys (8-8)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

17Calvin PryorBaltimore Ravens (8-8)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

18Brandin CooksNew York Jets (8-8)COLLEGE: Oregon StateClass: JrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: WR

19C.J. MosleyMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 234POS: ILB

20Derek CarrArizona Cardinals (10-6)COLLEGE: Fresno StateHT: 6-2WT: 214POS: QB

21Ryan ShazierGreen Bay Packers (8-7-1)COLLEGE: Ohio StateHT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

22Kelvin BenjaminPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-5WT: 240POS: WR

23Marqise LeeKansas City Chiefs (11-5)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 192POS: WR

24Bradley RobyCincinnati Bengals (11-5)COLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 194POS: CB

25Anthony BarrSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: UCLAClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 255POS: OLB

26Kyle FullerCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Virginia TechClass: SrHT: 5-11WT: 190POS: CB

27Cody LatimerNew Orleans Saints (11-5)COLLEGE: IndianaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 215POS: WR

28Morgan MosesCarolina Panthers (12-4)COLLEGE: VirginiaHT: 6-6WT: 314POS: OT

29Ra'Shede HagemanNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaHT: 6-5WT: 310POS: DT

30Jordan MatthewsSan Francisco 49ers (12-4)COLLEGE: VanderbiltHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR

31Jason VerrettDenver Broncos (13-3)COLLEGE: TCUClass: SrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: CB

32Stephon TuittSeattle Seahawks (13-3)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-5WT: 304POS: DE

Round 2

33. Houston Texans | *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Let me be clear: This is the top-rated quarterback on my Big Board, a player I have rated higher than Bortles, Manziel or Carr. But my reading of the tea leaves in speaking with many evaluators around the league is that Bridgewater could drop if he slides past a couple of points early on. If I could project trades, I'd have someone taking him later in Round 1 having moved up. Obviously, he's a steal at this point.

34. Washington Redskins | Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin

35. Cleveland Browns | *Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St.

36. Oakland Raiders | *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.

37. Atlanta Falcons | Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn

38. Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi St.

39. Jacksonville Jaguars | Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

40. Minnesota Vikings | Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU

41. Buffalo Bills | *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise St.

42. Tennessee Titans | Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU

43. New York Giants | *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA

44. St. Louis Rams | Jimmie Ward, S, No. Illinois

45. Detroit Lions | Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska

46. Pittsburgh Steelers | *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame

47. Dallas Cowboys | Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.

48. Baltimore Ravens | *Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina

49. New York Jets | *Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington

50. Miami Dolphins | Joel Bitonio, OL, Nevada

51. Chicago Bears | Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida St.

52. Arizona Cardinals | Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech

53. Green Bay Packers | *Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech

54. Philadelphia Eagles | Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood

55. Cincinnati Bengals | *Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama

56. San Francisco 49ers (from KC) | Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice

57. San Diego Chargers | *Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi

58. New Orleans Saints | Keith McGill, CB, Utah

59. Indianapolis Colts | *Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

60. Carolina Panthers | Josh Huff, WR, Oregon

61. San Francisco 49ers | *Marcus Martin, C, USC

62. New England Patriots | Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio St.

63. Denver Broncos | *David Yankey, OG, Stanford

64. Seattle Seahawks | Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee


Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
In @MelKiperESPN's latest mock, the Texans get Clowney and Bridgewater and nothing is fair.

klockWork
04-17-2014, 04:29 PM
That would be so sweet if we landed JC and TB at the end of draft day. Just sweet.

painekiller
04-18-2014, 03:27 PM
Yes but Kiper has to sell subscriptions to his service. What better way to sucker fans?

I called Mel's phone number and they are not doing a draft guide this year. This is the 1st time I have not gotten a guide since the Texans formed.

I told them I was sad to see it go. IMO and judging from the comments from the women on the other end, I think his ESPN contract is keeping him from doing a draft guide for the next couple of years. Now I am inferring into her comments, and reading between lines, and I may be totally off base on this.

Scooter
04-19-2014, 06:41 AM
a generational physical talent, a guy who has exceptional physical skills

looking at combine numbers, watt at 290lbs had a better 3-cone and 20yd shuttle. mario was better at most every event, including a 4.7 40 at 295lbs which more than translates. two players looked up for no other reason than they are/were on my hometown team, i'm sure there are many more who obliterated those numbers at their combines/pro days. both (and everyone else) had better final seasons on the field. call clowney what you will, but he is far from generational physically ... he's not even winning the current class.

the hype around a player that developed earlier than others is insane. i'm not saying he cant be really good, and i'm not even saying we should pass on him first, just that the exaggerations are getting out of hand.

texanhead08
04-19-2014, 04:51 PM
Its weird how in the last few days I have seen mocks where Bortles or Bridgewater lasts to the 2nd round. Did some new info come out about them or is it just all the time between the workouts and the draft give people extra time to be overly critical of every little aspect of their game.

Ryan
04-19-2014, 05:33 PM
Its weird how in the last few days I have seen mocks where Bortles or Bridgewater lasts to the 2nd round. Did some new info come out about them or is it just all the time between the workouts and the draft give people extra time to be overly critical of every little aspect of their game.

The latter most likely. This added two weeks till the draft is cruel.

Playoffs
04-29-2014, 12:51 PM
5.0 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&version=5&source=Mel-Kiper-Mock-Draft)
1Jadeveon ClowneyHouston Texans (2-14)COLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE

2Greg RobinsonSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AuburnHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

3Sammy WatkinsJacksonville Jaguars (4-12)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 211POS: WR

4Johnny ManzielCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: QB

5Khalil MackOakland Raiders (4-12)COLLEGE: BuffaloHT: 6-2WT: 251POS: OLB

6Taylor LewanAtlanta Falcons (4-12)COLLEGE: MichiganHT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

7Mike EvansTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 231POS: WR

8Blake BortlesMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)COLLEGE: UCFClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB

9Jake MatthewsBuffalo Bills (6-10)COLLEGE: Texas A&MHT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

10Odell Beckham Jr.Detroit Lions (7-9)COLLEGE: LSUClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

11Darqueze DennardTennessee Titans (7-9)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: SrHT: 5-10WT: 199POS: CB

12Aaron DonaldNew York Giants (7-9)COLLEGE: PittsburghHT: 6-0WT: 285POS: DT

13Ha Ha Clinton-DixSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

14Justin GilbertChicago Bears (8-8)COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

15Zack MartinPittsburgh Steelers (8-8)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

16Calvin PryorDallas Cowboys (8-8)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

17Eric EbronBaltimore Ravens (8-8)COLLEGE: North CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

18Brandin CooksNew York Jets (8-8)COLLEGE: Oregon StateClass: JrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: WR

19C.J. MosleyMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 234POS: ILB

20Derek CarrArizona Cardinals (10-6)COLLEGE: Fresno StateHT: 6-2WT: 214POS: QB

21Ryan ShazierGreen Bay Packers (8-7-1)COLLEGE: Ohio StateHT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

22Kelvin BenjaminPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-5WT: 240POS: WR

23Marqise LeeKansas City Chiefs (11-5)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 192POS: WR

24Kony EalyCincinnati Bengals (11-5)COLLEGE: MissouriHT: 6-4WT: 273POS: DE

25Anthony BarrSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: UCLAClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 255POS: OLB

26Kyle FullerCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Virginia TechClass: SrHT: 5-11WT: 190POS: CB

27Cody LatimerNew Orleans Saints (11-5)COLLEGE: IndianaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 215POS: WR

28Morgan MosesCarolina Panthers (12-4)COLLEGE: VirginiaHT: 6-6WT: 314POS: OT

29Ra'Shede HagemanNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaHT: 6-5WT: 310POS: DT

30Jordan MatthewsSan Francisco 49ers (12-4)COLLEGE: VanderbiltHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR

31Jason VerrettDenver Broncos (13-3)COLLEGE: TCUClass: SrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: CB

32Stephon TuittSeattle Seahawks (13-3)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-5WT: 304POS: DE