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01-07-2014, 08:00 PM
TSV'S BIG BOARD -- Top 300+ (http://www.thesidelineview.com/big-board)

Lance Zierlein/John Harris

1 Johnny Manziel QB 6'1" 200lbs. Texas A&M
2 Teddy Bridgewater QB 6'3" 206lbs. Louisville
3 Jadeveon Clowney DE 6'6" 256lbs. South Carolina
4 Jake Matthews OT 6'5" 305lbs. Texas A&M
5 Sammy Watkins WR 6'1" 200lbs. Clemson
6 Mike Evans WR 6'5" 218lbs. Texas A&M
7 Cyrus Kouandjio OT 6'6" 311lbs. Alabama
8 Anthony Barr OLB/DE 6'4" 235lbs. UCLA
9 CJ Mosley ILB/OLB 6'2" 232lbs. Alabama
10 Trent Murphy OLB/DE 6'6" 261lbs. Stanford
11 Taylor Lewan OT 6'8" 315lbs. Michigan
12 Kyle Van Noy OLB/DE 6'3" 235lbs. Brigham Young
13 Blake Bortles QB 6'3" 227lbs. Central Florida
14 Jordan Matthews WR 6'3" 205lbs. Vanderbilt
15 Ryan Shazier OLB/DE 6'2" 226lbs. Ohio State
16 Khalil Mack OLB/DE 6'3" 244lbs. Buffalo
17 Marqise Lee WR 6'0" 195lbs. Southern California
18 Eric Ebron TE 6'4" 245lbs. North Carolina
19 Kony Ealy DE 6'5" 275lbs. Missouri
20 Jace Amaro TE 6'5" 257lbs. Texas Tech
21 Greg Robinson OT 6'5" 320lbs. Auburn
22 Lamarcus Joyner S, CB 5'8" 195lbs. Florida State
23 Derek Carr QB 6'3" 210lbs. Fresno State
24 Justin Gilbert CB 6'0" 200lbs. Oklahoma State
25 Darqueze Dennard CB 5'11" 197lbs. Michigan State
26 Vic Beasley OLB/DE 6'2" 235lbs. Clemson
27 Ha Ha Clinton Dix S 6'1" 209lbs. Alabama
28 Jason Verrett CB 5'10" 178lbs. Texas Christian
29 Cyril Richardson G 6'5" 335lbs. Baylor
30 Louis Nix III DT 6'3" 326lbs. Notre Dame
31 Cameron Erving OT 6'6" 309lbs. Florida State
32 Kelvin Benjamin WR 6'5" 234lbs. Florida State
33 Dee Ford OLB/DE 6'2" 246lbs. Auburn
...
see full sortable rankings: http://www.thesidelineview.com/big-board

aussie_texan
01-07-2014, 08:07 PM
pretty decent board right there. only thing would be for me to swap TB and JF and move matthews and barr down a couple more

bhsman
01-07-2014, 08:17 PM
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

bOODRO87
01-07-2014, 08:18 PM
Both are really good QBs. Johnny may wow the crowd, but Teddy's work is so much cleaner looking. It would be a very, very bold move if the Texans were to pick Manziel over TB. I just don't see it with this organization. Teddy is squeaky clean. He just needs some time in the gym. I'll support and trust whom ever O'Brien rolls with. I just don't see any logic skipping Teddy unless some crazy trade which is HIGHLY fkn doubtful. A lot of people here need to realize that.

Playoffs
01-07-2014, 08:20 PM
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

Click on his name and it brings up a Breakdown page with pros/cons and film study.

Also click on the big Notes and Commentary button at the top.

Pretty darned comprehensive tool, imo.

bhsman
01-07-2014, 08:40 PM
Click on his name and it brings up a Breakdown page with pros/cons and film study.

Pretty darned comprehensive tool, imo.

I've read their analysis, I'm just surprised anyone would rate Manziel over Bridgewater as a prospect, and I like Manziel.

kiwitexansfan
01-07-2014, 09:17 PM
Reading Manziel and Brdgewater's pros and cons, not sure how they conclude Manziel is better suited to QB in the NFL.

rmartin65
01-07-2014, 09:31 PM
Quit reading after seeing Manziel 1st.

mussop
01-07-2014, 09:45 PM
Quit reading after seeing Manziel 1st.

Yep no reason to question perfection. :shades:

Fred
01-07-2014, 09:48 PM
I've read their analysis, I'm just surprised anyone would rate Manziel over Bridgewater as a prospect, and I like Manziel.

Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

The irrational Manziel hate is so thick on this board you could cut it with a rolling pin.

beerlover
01-07-2014, 09:52 PM
LZ mentioned on Twitter yesterday that he felt Manziel would have a better career than Teddy; I'll be interested to hear that analysis.

We'll all get to see what actually happens. Sometimes its not always the best prospect who develops into the better pro. Has a lot to do with coaching, scheme, how hard he works & what cannot be measured.... his heart:heart:

bhsman
01-08-2014, 12:24 AM
Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

I think Manziel has greater potential than Bridgewater (this is not a knock on Teddy at all; I just see his ceiling as Matt Ryan with a better arm, while Manziel could become Tarkenton), but Bridgewater is more deserving of the #1 pick. I'd love to grab Bridgewater at #1 or trade down for Manziel at #4.

leebigeztx
01-08-2014, 01:44 AM
I think Manziel has greater potential than Bridgewater (this is not a knock on Teddy at all; I just see his ceiling as Matt Ryan with a better arm, while Manziel could become Tarkenton), but Bridgewater is more deserving of the #1 pick. I'd love to grab Bridgewater at #1 or trade down for Manziel at #4.

You think Tarkenton would survive in todays nfl?

bhsman
01-08-2014, 03:07 AM
You think Tarkenton would survive in todays nfl?

There's a guy that plays for the Seahawks that could answer that question for you.

Uncle Rico
01-08-2014, 08:33 AM
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

TheIronDuke
01-08-2014, 09:17 AM
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

I know you don't like LZ but that's what he said this morning regarding some discussions he's had with a few scouts including somebody in the Bears org.

Dutchrudder
01-08-2014, 09:27 AM
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

There's a difference between saying who they will pick, and who you would pick.

ChampionTexan
01-08-2014, 09:29 AM
In the Bortles thread LZ says Texans take Bortles #1 overall and here he is listed as 13th best prospect? Is LZ fishing for hits again by blatantly playing both sides? Something doesn't add up.

The Bortles thread was started in Nov. LZ's last post on this board was in Oct.

TheIronDuke
01-08-2014, 09:34 AM
The Bortles thread was started in Nov. LZ's last post on this board was in Oct.

I think he meant my post in the Bortles thread regarding LZ's statement on his show this morning.

GuerillaBlack
01-08-2014, 09:48 AM
Now you will be the one accused of irrational JFF hate. (Welcome to the club. I love me some JFF, but think Bridgewater will be the better pro. So I'm a hater.)

Who called you a hater?

Bridgewater isn't some can't miss prospect. He is more pro ready than Manziel, but all these highlight gifs people kept posting of Bridgewater, Manziel has done those exact same plays. i think he has the most potential. I wouldn't take either QB first overall, only Clowney. Trading back a few spots and grabbing him would be best.

WolverineFan
01-08-2014, 11:38 AM
There's a guy that plays for the Seahawks that could answer that question for you.

Wilson is a pure pocket passer who happens to have tremendous scrambling ability. He also rarely gets hit.

Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.

TexansSeminole
01-08-2014, 11:43 AM
Wilson is a pure pocket passer who happens to have tremendous scrambling ability. He also rarely gets hit.

Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.

He's also thicker, a lot more muscle.

Playoffs
01-08-2014, 11:48 AM
He's also thicker, a lot more muscle.

And a better athlete. Wilson played pro baseball... Manziel bricked that layup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03AoPONxeOI). :kitten:

bOODRO87
01-08-2014, 11:50 AM
Manziel means bidness.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdaQhZmCAAA95zQ.jpg

WolverineFan
01-08-2014, 11:51 AM
And a better athlete. Wilson played pro baseball... Manziel bricked that layup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03AoPONxeOI). :kitten:

Don't really care if Manziel can't play other sports because he can play football and he's obviously athletic. To add onto the baseball though, Wilson also has a much, much stronger arm.

mussop
01-08-2014, 12:07 PM
Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.

Well at least he don't take hits like this!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8340594818_5547ecdf6c_o.gif

Seriously though, is there a website that keeps stats on how many passes he's thrown from the pocket vs outside the pocket?

mussop
01-08-2014, 12:19 PM
To add onto the baseball though, Wilson also has a much, much stronger arm.

In baseball or football?

kiwitexansfan
01-08-2014, 12:19 PM
Who called you a hater?

Bridgewater isn't some can't miss prospect. He is more pro ready than Manziel, but all these highlight gifs people kept posting of Bridgewater, Manziel has done those exact same plays. i think he has the most potential. I wouldn't take either QB first overall, only Clowney. Trading back a few spots and grabbing him would be best.

It's not the GIFs we should be concerned with. Any QB can look great in a highlight reel. We should be concerned about all the countless other plays, adjustments, reads etc. That is what a makes a QB.

Texian
01-08-2014, 12:25 PM
Seriously though, is there a website that keeps stats on how many passes he's thrown from the pocket vs outside the pocket?

I don't know of one, however this site is most does a pretty good job with college stats:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/player/697/1041700/passing/situational.html

WolverineFan
01-08-2014, 02:17 PM
In baseball or football?

I assume both although I've never seen Manziel throw a baseball. Wilson throws the football with much more zip though.

WolverineFan
01-08-2014, 02:19 PM
Well at least he don't take hits like this!

I don't recall mentioning Bridgewater in that post, but yes he did get clocked there. However, that happens to him rarely because he stays in the pocket and gets the ball out quickly most of the time. I don't recall Manziel getting rocked like that before, but he invites a much higher quantity of hits with his style of play. Those add up. Just look at this season with all of his ailments.

disaacks3
01-08-2014, 04:36 PM
Wow, lots of JFF hate in here, even though LZ is quite revered at other times. Must be wishy-washy fans. :kitten: People need to remember that LOTS of folks thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Manning as well.

I think TB has a higher ceiling, I think JFF has a higher floor. I see things in both their games that are suspect at the pro level, but whether they can re-train either their brain or body to correct them (or just overcome them) is a prospect you face 98% of the time.

Talent-wise, the only can't miss I see is Clowney. His issues are almost entirely between the ears.

To those spouting stats on College QB arm-strength vs. current NFL players, you have zero comparison points until the combine. Let's look at those metrics before pronouncing anyone weaker or slower.

bhsman
01-08-2014, 04:52 PM
I would actually swap that: I think Teddy has the higher floor but Manziel has the higher ceiling. Teddy's great mechanics would make anyone happy to have him drafted first overall, but you've got to wonder about JFF's potential, especially as we see the Pistol develop in the pros.

aussie_texan
01-08-2014, 05:45 PM
Talent-wise, the only can't miss I see is Clowney. His issues are almost entirely between the ears.

for me thats the biggest stumbling block.

mussop
01-08-2014, 06:47 PM
for me thats the biggest stumbling block.

If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.

aussie_texan
01-08-2014, 06:51 PM
If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.

i agree with this. i trust the evaluations the organisation makes they obviously have more info than we do

badboy
01-08-2014, 07:00 PM
If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.

Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.

kiwitexansfan
01-08-2014, 07:33 PM
Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.

Maybe they do those weird psycho-analyst questions,like:

If you were an animal what kind of car would you drive?

Describe yourself in three words using the last letter of the previous word as the first of the subsequent word?

mussop
01-08-2014, 09:57 PM
Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.

I'm sure they ask a little more than one simple question. It's probably more like a good grilling.

The Pencil Neck
01-09-2014, 06:50 PM
I'm sure they ask a little more than one simple question. It's probably more like a good grilling.

Like "Is your mother a prostitute?"

noxiousdog
01-10-2014, 09:08 AM
Wow, lots of JFF hate in here, even though LZ is quite revered at other times. Must be wishy-washy fans.

I respect LZ as much as anyone, but he tends to fall in love with exciting local prospects over quality players. He couldn't have been higher on the the Rodgers brothers or Vince Young. He had a huge on air meltdown when VY scored that overtime touchdown against us his rookie season.

So I temper his recommendations when it's a local guy.

disaacks3
01-10-2014, 09:15 AM
I respect LZ as much as anyone, but he tends to fall in love with exciting local prospects over quality players. He couldn't have been higher on the the Rodgers brothers or Vince Young. He had a huge on air meltdown when VY scored that overtime touchdown against us his rookie season.

So I temper his recommendations when it's a local guy. Sounds reasonable. I just get a chuckle when JM or TB get roasted by a particular reviewer stating they wouldn't take one of the other until late 2nd / 3rd.

mussop
01-10-2014, 09:46 AM
Sounds reasonable. I just get a chuckle when JM or TB get roasted by a particular reviewer stating they wouldn't take one of the other until late 2nd / 3rd.

Me too. It's just annoying.

Texian
01-10-2014, 09:54 AM
LZ gets my undivided attention when he's discussing OL prospects and that's about it. Lance does have some insider sources, so when he repeats a source opinion I listen. Anything else I take with a grain of salt.

Playoffs
01-20-2014, 07:47 PM
Comprehensive SB coverage on many players...

Senior Bowl Notes: Monday
Monday, January 20, 2014 (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46053/351/senior-bowl-notes-monday)

Lance Zierlein’s Monday Notes
...
John Harris’ Monday Notes
...

beerlover
01-20-2014, 10:36 PM
Lance offered chance for every one of us to up our game. I listen, read & soak in as much as possible & I've read many, he is solid. Which really distracts me from my calling, lol.

I have to ask, why is Rick Smith still here?

Have to admit after every draft I'm the first to make the best of it!

But enough is enough.

Montgomery/Williams.... wtf

two critical positions on need that still need to be addressed.

you have to hit on those to be a winning franchise.

what i see is a partnership that failed, so why exclude the partner in crime, can you read me Cal, Robert McNair.

Please just do us all a favor along with your new HC & players cut the cord.

Thought I had something more to say.....

Playoffs
02-18-2014, 06:10 PM
THE CURIOUS CASE OF CHRISTIAN JONES (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/curious-case-christian-jones)

Prior to heading to Mobile for the Senior Bowl, my Sideline View cohort Lance Zierlein and I were discussing our most intriguing Senior Bowl prospects. I quickly noted Florida State’s Christian Jones, in large part due to the fact that I wanted to see how the Jacksonville Jaguars coaching staff would use him down in Mobile. Would they play him at middle linebacker? Would they allow him to stand up and rush the edge? Would he play one of the outside linebacker spots?

It dawned on me at that particular moment how different and unique Jones is and the dimension that he provides for an NFL team. Many don’t see it my way, well, many in the draft media world. But, I can be stubborn about what I’ve seen and even more so as it pertains to what I think Jones can do for an NFL team at the next level. Here’s why...

Playoffs
03-06-2014, 01:48 PM
tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
The idea of giving away multiple picks in an extremely deep draft is just poor draft management

@ryanlownes @SigmundBloom ATL has a big need at tackle and DE and they could easily fall into Mack or Matthews or trade back.

Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
@LanceZierlein @SigmundBloom @jharrisfootball I agree, I don't think they're in position to sacrifice multiple or future picks. + 6 is fine

@ryanlownes @SigmundBloom I had this discussion with @jharrisfootball yesterday. I think trading up for ATL is a mistake.

Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
@LanceZierlein @SigmundBloom ATL has shown that aggressiveness before, but they're already in a solid spot to fill a need w/big-time player.

@ryanlownes If they move back, it will be Matthews. If he’s not there, Watkins. They are in a great spot to me.

Ryan Lownes ‏@ryanlownes
@LanceZierlein Potential Rams target if they move down a few spots or do you see him as being in play at #2 still?

Workout was fantastic yesterday. Snead only GM there RT "@ryanlownes: @LanceZierlein Have seen more mocks with Matthews falling to 9 or so"

I feel like Watkins and Manziel are the biggest wildcards inside the top 6 picks. Bortles will fall out of top 7 if he doesn’t go 1st

The more conversations I have w/ contacts around league, the more I feel like Clowney, Mack, Matthews and Robinson all gone inside 5

Looking more and more like Texans go with best player on their board (likely Clowney) and a QB later in the draft. Traits usually win out.

Playoffs
03-23-2014, 12:31 PM
RANKING THE TOP QBS IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT: HOW WE RANK (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-how-we-rank)
By Lance Zierlein
With every NFL draft a heightened importance is placed on the quarterback position because, as we all know, trying to win a Super Bowl without an upper-echelon quarterback is pretty hard to do.

Quarterbacks get dissected like no other draft prospects. By the final couple of weeks before the draft, it seems as though the only things we begin hearing about most quarterbacks are the negatives as opposed to what they do well.

However, when you consider the relatively low hit rate at the quarterback position in the first round of the NFL draft, you can understand the jaundiced eye that is cast in that position's direction.

"Blake Bortles isn't ready yet."
"Johnny Manziel can't make NFL throws from the pocket."
"Teddy Bridgewater is too slight and had a bad pro day."
Maybe these comments will end up being validated and maybe they won't - time will tell. We do, however, know that projecting QBs from the college level to the pros has become harder with the college game being played completely differently than the pros.

NFL teams have turned to analytics programs like STATS Ice to help them with projecting, developing and attacking quarterbacks. “Our QB Launch Point and Passing Stance analysis help personnel executives and coaches determine a QB’s strengths, weaknesses, and development opportunities for incoming QBs”, said STATS Ice creator and STATS Sports Solutions GM John Pollard. “With an increased emphasis on the passing game, defensive schemes are tailored to both pressure the QB while defending the big play. Teams are using our data to not only find ways to attack NFL QBs, but also to identify which college QBs are likely to fit into their offensive schemes.”

Teams are using our data to not only find ways to attack NFL QBs, but also to identify which college QBs are likely to fit into their offensive schemes.
STATS Sports Solutions GM John Pollard
Today we are going to try and combine the requisite elements that today's successful, NFL quarterback has to possess along with player data to see if we can create a more focused assessment of Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater.

ELEMENTS OF SUCCESS

There was a time when quarterbacks could be statues in the pocket and still be elite. There was also a time when many NFL teams used 7-step drops. We don't see either happen very often nowadays.

Strong arm? Those days are gone too. Sure, having a strong arm can help with certain throws, but what most teams want to see is functional arm strength which is another way of saying "can make all of the NFL throws". Here are some core elements of success for NFL quarterbacks.

1. TOUGHNESS AND POISE

Let's be clear on this one. There have been plenty of QBs who have been physically tough who didn't show a great deal of poise when needed. The two are not always inter-linked. Guys like Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger and Brady have all shown a combination of toughness AND poise and they all have Super Bowl rings.

2. ACCURACY

It is very rare, indeed, to hear any GMs or head coaches talk about arm strength over accuracy anymore. Passing games aren't ruled by verticality any longer, they are ruled by accuracy. Accuracy (as we define it in this space) is the ability to throw short and intermediate throws with consistent accuracy.

3. INSTINCTS OR "FEEL"

This appears to be a fairly nebulous term upon first glance, but NFL evaluators have a like-minded understanding of what constitutes "instincts" and "feel" for a quarterback. Whether it is a quarterback sliding away from blindside trouble in the pocket or anticipating throwing windows on an intermediate "Dig" route. Quarterbacks who display good instincts within a game are usually able to make plays and avoid costly turnovers at a greater rate than QBs who don't show that same feel for the position.

4. LEADERSHIP

Leadership can be seen on the field, but it is more than just a QB yelling at his guys on the sideline or imploring them in the huddle when they are behind. Any QB can do these things, but the real tell-tale sign is whether or not teammates respond to these QBs. Do they buy into the QB during the offseason work including in camp? Do they consider this QB a "be about it" player or a "talk about it" player. When players believe in their leader (the QB), they tend to play at a higher level more consistently because that QB sets the tone for the team.

QUARTERBACKING SKILLS TO CONSIDER

Three of the four "Elements of Success" could be considered subjective and difficult to measure with accuracy being the only element where everyone can come to a reasonable consensus based on the data. How you actually use the data in your assessment of accuracy is another topic but we will delve into that when we analyze Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater later on.

Let's take a look at some of the skills that are necessary in today's NFL game:

1. ABILITY TO MAKE NFL THROWS

Arm strength certainly matters a great deal in this category, but it is worth noting that there is a sliding scale for arm strength relative to a QB's anticipatory skills and release. Around the league, there is an understanding about the cutoff for arm strength for a QB to be able to make NFL throws. The closer a QB is to the cutoff line, the earlier in the route a QB has to throw the ball. If the arm is below average and the QB doesn't get rid of the ball early enough, then he won't be able to make NFL throws without giving up too many interceptions. Joe Montana and currently, Peyton Manning, have below average NFL arms, but their understanding of their schemes and ability to get rid of the ball early in the route and still complete passes at a high percentage is what helped them in their careers. As one NFL personnel man puts it, "Any ball over 15 yards - he has to have anticipation and enough velocity."

2. ABILITY TO THROW WITH ACCURACY ON THE MOVE

This can be a measure a QB's ability to scramble and make plays and/or a QB's ability to roll-out and throw with accuracy in both directions. Some offenses will take advantage of the bootleg game in play-action or they will simply roll their QBs out of the pocket. In these offenses, it is critical to be able to hit targets with consistency. Obviously there are some offenses that don't ask their QBs to roll outside of the pocket much (Tom Brady), so this skill is more important in some offenses than in others; however, accuracy and an ability to make throws after scrambling out of the pocket has become more and more important in today's NFL.

3. MOBILITY

There was a time when "The Statue" could make it in the NFL as a QB, but it is getting harder and harder for those QBs to be successful in the NFL. Defensive coordinators understand not only how to generate pressure from all angles via blitz packages, they also understand the tendencies of QBs and will make defensive calls that are designed to confuse the QB and slow his progressions. Once this happens, havoc can ensue and QBs who are able to slide around in the pocket (pocket mobility) or get outside of the pocket and keep their eyes downfield have the ability to make plays and extend drives.
http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-johnny-manziel

Playoffs
03-23-2014, 12:34 PM
RANKING THE TOP THREE QBS IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT: JOHNNY MANZIEL (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-johnny-manziel)
By Lance Zierlein
TOUGHNESS AND POISE

There can be no denying that Manziel is at the top of the toughness list amongst QBs in this year’s draft. In his two years as a starter, Manziel never missed...

ACCURACY (INCLUDING ON THE MOVE)

I’ve heard questions about whether or not Manziel can beat a team from the pocket and to do that, he has to prove that he is accurate. Was he accurate from the pocket in college? Yes. Yes he was.

When Manziel threw from the pocket, he complete 73.6% of his passes for 3,429 yards, 9.95 ypa and 27 TDs. Can Manziel...

MAKES NFL THROWS

This is one of the areas that some evaluators believe Manziel could struggle with on the next level. It isn’t necessarily the arm strength that is the knock here, it is the feel and the anticipation that tends to get him knocked. I’ve seen some of the anticipation issues with my own eyes as Manziel has waited for a window to come open rather than throwing to a spot. Is this coachable? It can be...

http://www.thesidelineview.com/sites/default/files/manziel.png (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-johnny-manziel)
...

Of Manziel’s 37 TD passes this year, only 10 came from behind the line of scrimmage to five yards down the field - the classic dump and dash that we see in college. According to the STATS Ice data, Manziel had 27 TDs passes beyond 6 yards including 12 that were for 16+ yards.

http://www.thesidelineview.com/sites/default/files/johnny-manziel-charts-stats-ice-tsv.jpg (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-johnny-manziel)

MOBILITY

We know that Manziel is elite in terms of his mobility. Whether Manziel is...

FINAL ANALYSIS

The tape shows that Manziel has the ability to make throws against Cover-2 defenses and down the sideline on vertical routes. His touch on those deep throws is undeniable. However, the tape and the data also show that Manziel tends to get careless...

(All data mentioned represents the 2013 season)
read complete analysis: http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-johnny-manziel

mussop
03-23-2014, 02:29 PM
But but all Manziel does is run around and chuck it up. :kitten:

Playoffs
03-25-2014, 02:35 PM
RANKING THE TOP THREE QBS IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater)
TOUGHNESS AND POISE

Growing up and coming out of the Liberty City neighborhood in Miami is your first clue to Bridgewater’s toughness. Bridgewater didn’t miss any games due to injury during his three years as QB at Louisville and continued to play through a broken wrist in 2012 against UConn. With a bad ankle and a cast on that same broken wrist, Bridgewater beat Rutgers in his next game to earn a conference championship and BCS bowl bid against Florida whom he beat with a cast on his left wrist.

Like Manziel, Bridgewater was blitzed on 29% of his throws, but the results were much better...

ACCURACY (INCLUDING ON THE MOVE)

Up to this point, there really seems to be no reason to doubt Teddy Bridgewater’s accuracy as he moves to the next level. For the most part, that perception is correct...

MAKES NFL THROWS

Teddy Bridgewater can make all of the throws on paper, but when I watch him, I can’t help but think that he’ll have some issues with ball-hawking defenders if he wants to test the boundaries with his intermediate throws. Keep in mind that for all of Bridgewater’s accuracy with short and intermediate routes, he’s going to see much more varied coverages from NFL secondaries which means he has to be comfortable throwing to all areas of the field and that appears to be a concerns.

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Bridgewater is very capable with is play-action bootleg throws as long as he’s moving right and that is one of my problems with him. While I really like Teddy’s toughness, poise and accuracy, I’m worried defensive coordinators will rush him from his right and force him left and that is an issue. Bridgewater was just 7 of 17 for 55 yards and no TDs when moving to his left via rollout or scrambling. When scrambling or rolling right, he was 20 of 30 for 266 yards and 2 TDs.

Moreover, Bridgewater had just 1 TD to go with 1 INT on 60 pass attempts to the left from 6-15 yards. When making intermediate throws to the right, he had 4 TDs to 0 INTs on 63 attempts. The same issues left and right are found with his deep ball where he completed 33% of his passes 16+ yards to the left while completing 51.2% of deep balls to the right. Bridgewater hit some home runs deep which is to be expected on the college level, but he completed just 44.3% of his deep balls compared to 51.9% for Manziel and 49.2% for Bortles who both show better NFL-caliber touch on those throws when you watch them.

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MOBILITY

When you watch Teddy Bridgewater operate around and even outside of the pocket, you can see he not only has the ability to escape pressure, but to also damage defenses with his legs. However, Bridgewater simply doesn’t utilize those legs as often as I think he should...

FINAL ANALYSIS

The tape shows that Teddy Bridgewater has an NFL understanding of progressions and the type of poise and decision-making that should allow him to avoid being a...
read complete analysis: http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater

thunderkyss
03-25-2014, 02:47 PM
RANKING THE TOP THREE QBS IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater)
MAKES NFL THROWS

Teddy Bridgewater can make all of the throws on paper, but when I watch him, I can’t help but think that he’ll have some issues with ball-hawking defenders if he wants to test the boundaries with his intermediate throws. Keep in mind that for all of Bridgewater’s accuracy with short and intermediate routes, he’s going to see much more varied coverages from NFL secondaries which means he has to be comfortable throwing to all areas of the field and that appears to be a concerns.
read complete analysis: http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater

I'm thinking the same thing. Especially the short/intermediate out routes. I don't know that it's an arm strength issue, I've seen him fling it, I've seen him put zip on it. But for some reason, throwing it out past the hash marks I don't believe he consistently puts the zip on the ball that is needed. Savy defenders will be looking for that ball & they're going to jump those routes whenever they can.

ObsiWan
03-25-2014, 04:44 PM
But but all Manziel does is run around and chuck it up. :kitten:
I thought that's what they said...

FINAL ANALYSIS
The tape shows that Manziel has the ability to make throws against Cover-2 defenses and down the sideline on vertical routes. His touch on those deep throws is undeniable. However, the tape and the data also show that Manziel tends to get careless...

:D

Playoffs
03-31-2014, 04:41 PM
RANKING THE TOP THREE QBS IN THE 2014 NFL DRAFT: BLAKE BORTLES (http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-blake-bortles)
TOUGHNESS AND POISE

Blake Bortles has very good size by NFL standards (6’5/232) and he more than plays to his size from a toughness standpoint. Bortles has played in every game over the last two seasons and is a physical runner on called running plays or when he scrambles.

Defenses tended to blitz Bortles at a higher frequency of pass attempts (31.9%) than they did against Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater (29%). His completion percentage when blitzed was 64.8% which was higher than Manziel but lower than Bridgewater. Bortles’ 9.1 YPA, 7 TDs and 2 INTs when blitzed is good, but I found something more impressive...

ACCURACY (INCLUDING ON THE MOVE)

The tape tells you that Blake Bortles is behind Manziel and Bridgewater at this current time as a QB prospect and the data tends to confirm this - especially when studying his short to intermediate accuracy...

MAKES NFL THROWS

With Bortles, you have to do some projecting when watching the tape and grinding on data. Bortles has enough arm to throw the deep digs and outs and I see enough zip on his passes between the CB and S, but right now he has a tendency to sail some of those passes and his accuracy is still a work in progress on some of those throws.

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Despite the fact that less than 10% of his snaps came under center, Bortles is really strong at throwing the ball on...

http://thesidelineview.com/sites/default/files/bortles-chart.jpg (http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/ranking-top-three-qbs-2014-nfl-draft-blake-bortles)

MOBILITY

To be honest, I was surprised at Blake Bortles relatively pedestrian...

FINAL ANALYSIS

Blake Bortles isn’t ready to be an NFL QB just yet and could have definitely benefitted from another year at UCF. However, when I watch him play, I see a QB who has areas that are “improvable”. While Manziel and Bridgewater can get better at certain aspects, I don’t see as much growth potential in their games as I see in Bortles’ game. Then again, that also means...

Playoffs
04-28-2014, 04:14 PM
Offensive Line Grades - 2014 NFL Draft (http://thesidelineview.com/grades/ol)
Welcome To My "2014 Offensive Line Draft Primer"
Lance Zierlein
I've created formulas for tackles, centers and guards that take into account their power in the run blocking game, foot quickness, ability in pass protection, hand strength and how they sustain their blocks, body control, core strength and tenacity. As you will notice, I have included both tackle and guard ratings for some players and I've included a grade for players who may fit into the zone scheme as well.

My grades, as always are a combination of how I see a player now and how I see a player fitting into the NFL. For example, with Greg Robinson, I am projecting the player I believe he will become as he continues to learn the fundamentals of pass protection technique after playing for a run-heavy offense.

These grades are my own and I they do not necessarily reflect where I think a player will or should be drafted. As with any draft year, I grade the player with no regard to the draft class and only on his merits as an offensive linemen. Then, based on how the board shapes up, I would then fit them into the right spots. For example, I have a high 2nd round grade on Joel Bitonio, but I would probably draft him higher than that because he has position flexibility and I also believe that he is a safe player...

Playoffs
04-28-2014, 06:53 PM
Offensive Line Grades - 2014 NFL Draft (http://thesidelineview.com/grades/ol)
Welcome To My "2014 Offensive Line Draft Primer"
Lance Zierlein

Yankey #23 OL'man on LZ's list. I concur. Never got the 1st/2nd round love.

steelbtexan
04-28-2014, 08:49 PM
Yankey #23 OL'man on LZ's list. I concur. Never got the 1st/2nd round love.

Me neither,

My sleeper pick OL

Patchan/Steen/Halapio/Graf

Playoffs
04-29-2014, 04:39 PM
The Silent Majority - The Quieter Beasts Of The 2014 NFL Draft (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/silent-majority-quiter-beasts-2014-nfl-draft)
By John Harris
Tajh Boyd...
Boston College RB Andre Williams

Wisconsin James White
Wisconsin…WR Jared Abbrederis
Wake Forest WR Michael Campanaro

Georgia TE Arthur Lynch
U Mass TE Rob Blanchflower

Missouri OT Justin Britt
Furman T/G prospect Dakota Dozier
BC tackle Matt Patchan

Syracuse DT Jay Bromley

Oregon DE/DT Taylor Hart
Alabama DT Jeoffrey Pagan

Stanford ILB Shayne Skov
Virginia Tech ILB Jack Tyler

Utah OLB Trevor Reilly
Baylor CB Demetri Goodson
Oregon S Terrance Mitchell

mussop
04-29-2014, 05:19 PM
The Silent Majority - The Quieter Beasts Of The 2014 NFL Draft (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/silent-majority-quiter-beasts-2014-nfl-draft)
By John Harris

Tajh Boyd...
Boston College RB Andre Williams

Wisconsin James White
Wisconsin…WR Jared Abbrederis
Wake Forest WR Michael Campanaro

Georgia TE Arthur Lynch
U Mass TE Rob Blanchflower

Missouri OT Justin Britt
Furman T/G prospect Dakota Dozier
BC tackle Matt Patchan

Syracuse DT Jay Bromley

Oregon DE/DT Taylor Hart
Alabama DT Jeoffrey Pagan

Stanford ILB Shayne Skov
Virginia Tech ILB Jack Tyler

Utah OLB Trevor Reilly
Baylor CB Demetri Goodson
Oregon S Terrance Mitchell


I really like all the guys In bold. I seem to be the only guy around here that really likes Andre Williams. Jared abbrederis gets no love around here but is really really good.

steelbtexan
04-29-2014, 06:03 PM
Tajh Boyd...
Boston College RB Andre Williams

Wisconsin James White
Wisconsin…WR Jared Abbrederis
Wake Forest WR Michael Campanaro

Georgia TE Arthur Lynch
U Mass TE Rob Blanchflower

Missouri OT Justin Britt
Furman T/G prospect Dakota Dozier
BC tackle Matt Patchan

Syracuse DT Jay Bromley

Oregon DE/DT Taylor Hart
Alabama DT Jeoffrey Pagan

Stanford ILB Shayne Skov
Virginia Tech ILB Jack Tyler

Utah OLB Trevor Reilly
Baylor CB Demetri Goodson
Oregon S Terrance Mitchell


I really like all the guys In bold. I seem to be the only guy around here that really likes Andre Williams. Jared abbrederis gets no love around here but is really really good.

Abbederius will be a better WR than Benjamin. IMHO He runs in the high 4.4's and can cut on a dime. If you like Welker/Decker/Cruz/Garcon you should also be very high on Abberderius.

I also like Williams but don't think he's a good fit for the Texans.

thunderkyss
04-29-2014, 07:19 PM
I really like all the guys In bold. I seem to be the only guy around here that really likes Andre Williams.

Uh... we seem to be the only guys around here that really likes Andre Williams. He's a "must have" to me, meaning we need to find a way to get him. We need to find out what the chatter is about him, where other teams are looking to take him & develop a plan to make sure we leave the draft with him.

Love the yards after contact. If we're trying to "toughen up" this team, a guy like that will go a long way.

mussop
04-29-2014, 07:56 PM
Abbederius will be a better WR than Benjamin. IMHO He runs in the high 4.4's and can cut on a dime. If you like Welker/Decker/Cruz/Garcon you should also be very high on Abberderius.

I also like Williams but don't think he's a good fit for the Texans.

That's exactly where I want him. In the slot. IMO he would be a perfect fit there in this offense.

mussop
04-29-2014, 08:29 PM
Uh... we seem to be the only guys around here that really likes Andre Williams. He's a "must have" to me, meaning we need to find a way to get him. We need to find out what the chatter is about him, where other teams are looking to take him & develop a plan to make sure we leave the draft with him.

Love the yards after contact. If we're trying to "toughen up" this team, a guy like that will go a long way.

Yep let him be our Frank Gore or Marshawn Lynch. He is the perfect kind of back to put behind a young QB. He gets the tough yards, he blocks really well, runs with good vision, breaks tackles, what's not to like? Other than not being a big receiving threat, but neither is Gore or Lynch and I would say they have made life on their QB's a lot easier.

revan
04-29-2014, 08:38 PM
Andre Williams is a flat out beast. Awesome comparisons to Gore and Lynch spot on.

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