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htownfan32
01-04-2014, 09:52 PM
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/678/529/hi-res-185334991-teddy-bridgewater-of-the-louisville-cardinals-throws-a_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75


The back and forth on Bridgewater has been intense on this board, but I think as the offseason continues we will learn more and like more about Bridgewater. His OC Shawn Watson has said that he turned over the keys to the offense to Bridgewater as a sophomore. This kid is a film-room rat and lives and breathes the game. I see him step around exquisitely in the pocket instead of dancing like Manziel does sometimes (not going for a knock on my own university's QB, but he does tend to create pressure on himself sometimes). His release, while slightly unconventional, doesn't concern me that much. What does concern me is durability - he's skinny, but an NFL conditioning program will change that.

Long story short, TLDR; I think he is franchise QB material. And I have a gut feeling that Bill O'Brien will too.

Here's a better write up on Teddy than anything I can muster: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-bridgewater-2014-nfl-draft/


2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/151/874/hi-res-7644478_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=435&q=85

Good pass rusher. Pac-12 DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB, he can step in and instantly contribute across from Whitney Mercilus. Featuring a good blend of speed and strength, with the ability to both pass the rusher and defend the run, he will be a good player for this defense, replacing Brooks Reed's lack of production. 2013 All-American and First Team All Pac-12 for 2012 and 2013.


3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0730/com_120730_clowjames_120731/com_120730_clowjames_120731.jpg


I think James is the sleeper pick at OT for quite a few people. He could be a starting tackle at many colleges, and has played well for Tennessee throughout the season. Athletic and very solid in the running game. Will be a upgrade over the turnstile Derek Newton.


4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/644f2fded4c3477eba216e82eb142016/512x.jpg


This guy shut down Mike Evans, which tells me pretty much most of what I need to know. He's had good production in his games and I think will be a good replacement for the horrendous Brice McCain. Good mixture of cover and ball skills. Has played for a while and has been a solid member of the Mizzou secondary since 2011.


5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/294/74/6_1074294.jpg

Hart has been solid for Oregon this season. I believe he will rise slightly after the East West Shrine game but should be available for us. Recorded 64 tackles, five TFL, and three sacks. Limited playing time in certain blowout games due to the nature of Oregon wins.


6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/Colt-Lyerla-Oregonusat-si.jpg

So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I think we're going to see more high risk players out of our new regime. I feel like this same regime would have taken a chance on Tyrann Mathieu last draft and Vontaze Burfict the draft before. Lyerla has cocaine problems but is a player. In the 6th I would not balk at taking him because A) what do you have to lose? and B) if he can clean up his act, he will contribute to a TE corps featuring Graham and a promising young TE in Griffin. I think OD is gone this offseason.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

Will need to put on some weight. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and he impressed me. Kind of a Braman type player, I think he will be a solid ST contributor and will fight to become a contributor at ILB. High motor guy.



What do y'all think?

Lucky
01-04-2014, 10:10 PM
What do y'all think?
I think you're wrong about the Texans taking more "high risk" players. Nothing in O'Brien's background suggests that and that's not what McNair is about.

As far as the mock itself, it's as good as any in January. I think everything points to the Texans going QB in the 1st, and Bridgewater is the top rated guy thus far. But, it's early.

thunderkyss
01-04-2014, 10:18 PM
1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.

4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

What do y'all think?

Um... not really a Bridgewater 1-1 kinda guy... but I like it.

I'm really starting to like that Trent Murphy. Don't know him, but I can see Taylor Hart opposite Watt in a traditional 3-4. The tackle looks good to me. 6-6 318... We need a TE. I like Orgon players.

If Rick Smith takes care of business in FA, this could be a very good draft.

Texecutioner
01-04-2014, 10:32 PM
Way to early to have any idea how O'Brien is going to go.

beerlover
01-04-2014, 10:38 PM
Way to early to have any idea how O'Brien is going to go.

Why comment when you have, no idea :kitten:

beerlover
01-04-2014, 10:59 PM
I obviously endorse all your picks since if not the same players in my shared production with WolverineFan at least you addressed all the same positions in the same slots, with exception that Texans will be cutting some major fat off roster in favor of transforming it to a more cap friendly, younger & talented roster hence at least one 5th rd. compensatory pick. I'm sure Texans will address as many needs as possible via free agency, but with minimum cost, focus will be on drafting smart & keeping core players. Texans have failed in past to retain own draft picks for various reasons, but really don't feel Barwin or Quin were unreasonable, what was unreasonable were the contracts offered to retain David Carr & then again Matt Schuab both into lame duck seasons & crippling the cap structure 2-3 more years each. Sorry kinda of got off on a tangent but it really does affect a teams draft board even if you propose BPA approach, just not realistic. Another big difference, even though I like to address secondary as well in 4th is the change to a more traditional 3-4. We need a big, run stuffing, double team hoarding nose. You have none. I do like Hart & if he where there in the 5th I would select him too but need upgrade over Mitchell first. Good stuff!

steelbtexan
01-04-2014, 11:08 PM
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/678/529/hi-res-185334991-teddy-bridgewater-of-the-louisville-cardinals-throws-a_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75


The back and forth on Bridgewater has been intense on this board, but I think as the offseason continues we will learn more and like more about Bridgewater. His OC Shawn Watson has said that he turned over the keys to the offense to Bridgewater as a sophomore. This kid is a film-room rat and lives and breathes the game. I see him step around exquisitely in the pocket instead of dancing like Manziel does sometimes (not going for a knock on my own university's QB, but he does tend to create pressure on himself sometimes). His release, while slightly unconventional, doesn't concern me that much. What does concern me is durability - he's skinny, but an NFL conditioning program will change that.

Long story short, TLDR; I think he is franchise QB material. And I have a gut feeling that Bill O'Brien will too.

Here's a better write up on Teddy than anything I can muster: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-bridgewater-2014-nfl-draft/


2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/151/874/hi-res-7644478_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=435&q=85

Good pass rusher. Pac-12 DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB, he can step in and instantly contribute across from Whitney Mercilus. Featuring a good blend of speed and strength, with the ability to both pass the rusher and defend the run, he will be a good player for this defense, replacing Brooks Reed's lack of production. 2013 All-American and First Team All Pac-12 for 2012 and 2013.


3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0730/com_120730_clowjames_120731/com_120730_clowjames_120731.jpg


I think James is the sleeper pick at OT for quite a few people. He could be a starting tackle at many colleges, and has played well for Tennessee throughout the season. Athletic and very solid in the running game. Will be a upgrade over the turnstile Derek Newton.


4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/644f2fded4c3477eba216e82eb142016/512x.jpg


This guy shut down Mike Evans, which tells me pretty much most of what I need to know. He's had good production in his games and I think will be a good replacement for the horrendous Brice McCain. Good mixture of cover and ball skills. Has played for a while and has been a solid member of the Mizzou secondary since 2011.


5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/294/74/6_1074294.jpg

Hart has been solid for Oregon this season. I believe he will rise slightly after the East West Shrine game but should be available for us. Recorded 64 tackles, five TFL, and three sacks. Limited playing time in certain blowout games due to the nature of Oregon wins.


6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/Colt-Lyerla-Oregonusat-si.jpg

So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I think we're going to see more high risk players out of our new regime. I feel like this same regime would have taken a chance on Tyrann Mathieu last draft and Vontaze Burfict the draft before. Lyerla has cocaine problems but is a player. In the 6th I would not balk at taking him because A) what do you have to lose? and B) if he can clean up his act, he will contribute to a TE corps featuring Graham and a promising young TE in Griffin. I think OD is gone this offseason.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

Will need to put on some weight. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and he impressed me. Kind of a Braman type player, I think he will be a solid ST contributor and will fight to become a contributor at ILB. High motor guy.



What do y'all think?

1.Bridgewater- Do not want, but if he's good enough for BO'B I'm good with him.

2. Murphy- Like him alot, Watt/Murphy means pass rush/intensity

3. James- Good pick, massive upgrade over Newton.

4. Gaines- Perfect nickle corner, the less we see of McCain the better.

5. Hart- Dont think he will be there, I like Hart alot. 3rd rd on my board.

6. Lyerla- love this pick BoB wont take him, so give me Jordan Najvar

7. Zumwalt- Dont know much about him.

Hopefully we get a comp 5th rd pick to add to this. Good job

Texecutioner
01-04-2014, 11:18 PM
Why comment when you have, no idea :kitten:

Hey man, knock yourself out with the Mock. I'm not trying to spoil you or anyone else's fun here. :tip hat:

I'm just simply saying that it's way to early to really decisively figure out which way that our new HC will go. We have no idea what QB's he likes thus far other than wanting one that is a for sure good passer that can make all kinds of throws from what he has said. He mentioned that he liked the skill set of guys like Wilson and RG3, but said that because they could pass and have the wheels. We don't know if he likes to trade down, trade up, or how much he values the defensive side of the ball being an offensive coach. It's just hard to have any real idea how he will approach this draft at this particular time.

But personally I think it's always way to early to start the Mock draft stuff at this time of the year. But people do it any way. Again, not trying to debbie down it for you guys. Just saying that I don't look at anything as being anywhere near accurate at this point.

Corrosion
01-05-2014, 02:05 AM
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.



2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.



3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.



4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.



5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.



6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.



So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.




What do y'all think?



1: I can live with Teddy as I don't mind taking the risk with a potential franchise QB. Not my personal choice. Hell , I really don't have one yet , I'm still "undecided". Im stuck between Teddy , Johnny & trade down.

2: I really like Trent Murphy. Wonder if he lasts this long , we'll have to see how he does at the combine. I can easily see him gone in the mid 20's. Probably the 3rd or 4th rated DE in the draft , how many go in round one ?! May have to make a move up to get him.

3: JaWuan James is another solid pick , moves Newton to the bench or ..... gone. Either is fine with me.

4: E.J. Gaines Love the player , not sure if that's the way I'd go tho - RB and ILB are begging for attention - Tate gone , unsatisfied with Mays who's also a FA.
Gaines probably isn't around in the 4th round , likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

5: Taylor Hart - Again a solid player but double dipping at the DE spot .... Cant ever have enough pass rushers but .... so many holes to fill.

6: Colt Lyerla - Ok , Gary's gone .... but Nob McNair still holds the reigns. Like the player & the position .... but It wasn't Gary who wanted choir boys , Its Bob.

7: Jordan Zumwalt Good player , good size , position in need of a talent infusion. Wont be available in round 7 , rated by many as a 3rd rounder (at OLB).


Overall I like it .... Just keep in mind that Bob McNair owns the team and likes his employee's clean cut.

infantrycak
01-05-2014, 12:36 PM
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

beerlover
01-05-2014, 03:24 PM
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

cocaine & the manner he reacted with weeks leading up to event do raise more serious doubts than those above mentioned. better talent however, is what trumps all it seems :toropalm:

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 03:34 PM
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

If this were true Justin Houston/Johnny Jolly/Cromartie etc... would be Houston Texans and the Texans would be better for it.

infantrycak
01-05-2014, 03:53 PM
If this were true Justin Houston/Johnny Jolly/Cromartie etc... would be Houston Texans and the Texans would be better for it.

The Texans have taken on some potential problem children. The fact they didn't take on your favorites or all the problem children in the league doesn't negate that.

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 03:58 PM
The Texans have taken on some potential problem children. The fact they didn't take on your favorites or all the problem children in the league doesn't negate that.

You mean the difference makers?

infantrycak
01-05-2014, 04:16 PM
You mean the difference makers?

I mean playing hindsight cherry picking out the guys who have worked so far is BS.

kingtexan
01-05-2014, 04:22 PM
If O'Brien has anything at all to say about who we draft, and we take Bridgewater, I will have to re-think my position that he is a very good choice to lead us into the future. If he is as good as I think, we will trade out of the first pick, or at worst take Matthews or Clowney because his scouting convinces him we cant pass one of them up. TB is not a #1 overall pick quality player, and just because we need a QB we don't waste that pick on him, or any other QB in this years draft.

infantrycak
01-05-2014, 04:33 PM
TB is not a #1 overall pick quality player...

Neither is Matthews - he's just the best of this year's OTs. Clowney would be but for his motivation and injury issues.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 04:42 PM
Neither is Matthews - he's just the best of this year's OTs. Clowney would be but for his motivation and injury issues.

This before any have worked out or ran a 40 .

infantrycak
01-05-2014, 04:46 PM
This before any have worked out or ran a 40 .

This what? I don't care what Matthews does at the combine. His play is not that of an elite LT. Clowney is not going to disprove either the motivation or injury issues at the combine.

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 04:51 PM
I mean playing hindsight cherry picking out the guys who have worked so far is BS.

Checkout the 2012 mock draft threads, I called for Justin Houston in many of them.

I also called for the Texans to trade for Talib/Lynch. Many said they would rather lose than have those types of guys on the Texans. BoB agrees with them.

How's that 2-14 working out?

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 04:51 PM
This what? I don't care what Matthews does at the combine. His play is not that of an elite LT. Clowney is not going to disprove either the motivation or injury issues at the combine.

I'm not argueing with you . I meant that folks have their minds made before the process starts . I think Greg Robinson is going to pass the others up as a LT . I think Teddy will hold serve as a premier prospect .

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 05:34 PM
I'm not argueing with you . I meant that folks have their minds made before the process starts . I think Greg Robinson is going to pass the others up as a LT . I think Teddy will hold serve as a premier prospect .

You are probably going to be correct. However 2 things could happen to change that.

1. Bortles/JM lights up the combine and interview well. (Possible but unlikely)
2. Clowney has an out of this world combine and more importantly interviews as well as he tests. (Highly unlikely)

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 05:38 PM
This is my favorite forum.

I disagree with everybody on TB. I think he will be the next Andy Dalton. (After today Uggggh) However I thank all of you for stating the reasons you disagree with me in an adult manner. I wish I could rep you all.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 05:52 PM
You are probably going to be correct. However 2 things could happen to change that.

1. Bortles/JM lights up the combine and interview well. (Possible but unlikely)
2. Clowney has an out of this world combine and more importantly interviews as well as he tests. (Highly unlikely)

I think someone will get giddy over Clowney which is good for the Texans . As far as QB goes , it's a two horse race in the 1st round . I think there's good vakue that will be there in the 2nd .

Robinson gets his audition tomorrow night . I find it interesting that BOB wants the Iowa OL coach and a mauler like Robinson fits that .

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 06:22 PM
I think someone will get giddy over Clowney which is good for the Texans . As far as QB goes , it's a two horse race in the 1st round . I think there's good vakue that will be there in the 2nd .

Robinson gets his audition tomorrow night . I find it interesting that BOB wants the Iowa OL coach and a mauler like Robinson fits that .

I really like Robinson, he and Erving have the most potential of any OT's in this class. I dont see any way he ends up as a Texan.

drs23
01-05-2014, 06:26 PM
I really like Robinson, he and Erving have the most potential of any OT's in this class. I dont see any way he ends up as a Texan.

Because you figure he'll be gone in the first?

If so, ditto.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 06:31 PM
I really like Robinson, he and Erving have the most potential of any OT's in this class. I dont see any way he ends up as a Texan.

If the Texans think his ceiling is si high he's worth the #1 overall .

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 06:33 PM
Because you figure he'll be gone in the first?

If so, ditto.

Top 10

Probably top 5, he's that good. If you get a chance watch him against a really good Fla St. DL. The guys a stud.

Cant wait to see how Erving fares against a good group of Auburn pass rushers.

bah007
01-05-2014, 06:35 PM
Top 10

Probably top 5, he's that good. If you get a chance watch him against a really good Fla St. DL. The guys a stud.

Cant wait to see how Erving fares against a good group of Auburn pass rushers.

I think Erving and Robinson both have more potential than Matthews. They're just more raw at this point.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 06:36 PM
Top 10

Probably top 5, he's that good. If you get a chance watch him against a really good Fla St. DL. The guys a stud.

Cant wait to see how Erving fares against a good group of Auburn pass rushers.

The Auburn guy Ford can get after it and Erving will be tested .

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 06:36 PM
I think Erving and Robinson both have more potential than Matthews. They're just more raw at this point.

Agreed,

I see Matthews as a 10 yr all pro OG/C.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 06:38 PM
I think Erving and Robinson both have more potential than Matthews. They're just more raw at this point.

The question would be then , how long until they pass him up in pass pro . I think Robinson is much better as a run blocker .

Mizzou has two NFL bound DE/OLB and Robinson was plowing them .

aussie_texan
01-05-2014, 06:42 PM
This is my favorite forum.

I disagree with everybody on TB. I think he will be the next Andy Dalton. (After today Uggggh) However I thank all of you for stating the reasons you disagree with me in an adult manner. I wish I could rep you all.

:worldpeace:

JCTexan
01-05-2014, 06:57 PM
This is my favorite forum.

I disagree with everybody on TB. I think he will be the next Andy Dalton. (After today Uggggh) However I thank all of you for stating the reasons you disagree with me in an adult manner. I wish I could rep you all.

The ironic thing is you seem to be clamoring for the two guys who remind me the most of Dalton: Mettenberger & Mccarron. Both are likely 2nd rounders who have been game managers for two elite SEC teams. I don't see either of them as more than game managers in the NFL.

WolverineFan
01-05-2014, 07:08 PM
If O'Brien has anything at all to say about who we draft, and we take Bridgewater, I will have to re-think my position that he is a very good choice to lead us into the future. If he is as good as I think, we will trade out of the first pick, or at worst take Matthews or Clowney because his scouting convinces him we cant pass one of them up. TB is not a #1 overall pick quality player, and just because we need a QB we don't waste that pick on him, or any other QB in this years draft.

So if his scouting tells him that Matthews or Clowney is worth the #1 pick then take them. If his scouting tells him that Bridgewater is worth the #1 pick then he's not the right choice to lead the franchise. Got it........:rolleyes:

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 07:40 PM
The ironic thing is you seem to be clamoring for the two guys who remind me the most of Dalton: Mettenberger & Mccarron. Both are likely 2nd rounders who have been game managers for two elite SEC teams. I don't see either of them as more than game managers in the NFL.

My 2 guys are Mettenberger and Brett Smith. To be clear I really dont like any of the QB's in this draft.

They have better arms than a game manager like Schaub/Dalton etc.... ever will have. I might be stained by the Schaub yrs.

I just use McCarron as a later rd comparison to TB because I think they have about the same abilities and you are considering TB at 1-1, when you could get McCarron at 3-1.

bah007
01-05-2014, 07:47 PM
My 2 guys are Mettenberger and Brett Smith. To be clear I really dont like any of the QB's in this draft.

They have better arms than a game manager like Schaub/Dalton etc.... ever will have. I might be stained by the Schaub yrs.

I just use McCarron as a later rd comparison to TB because I think they have about the same abilities and you are considering TB at 1-1, when you could get McCarron at 3-1.

I also like Mettenberger and Brett Smith better than most. But the bolded is just wrong. Their skill sets aren't even close to similar.

thunderkyss
01-05-2014, 09:33 PM
I think the squeaky clean thing is over-played. The Texans have taken players with backgrounds. Jerome Mathis and Travis Johnson both had fighting incidents. Okoye supposedly tested positive for pot. Cushing was rumored for years to be on roids.

If we draft another such person in this draft, it will all be because of the "new direction" instituted by Bill O'Brien, & McNair, Cal, & Rick Smith will continue to be Moe, Larry, & Curly..... not capable of running an NFL Franchise.

thunderkyss
01-05-2014, 09:36 PM
If O'Brien has anything at all to say about who we draft...

We will never know.

thunderkyss
01-05-2014, 09:48 PM
The ironic thing is you seem to be clamoring for the two guys who remind me the most of Dalton: Mettenberger & Mccarron. Both are likely 2nd rounders who have been game managers for two elite SEC teams. I don't see either of them as more than game managers in the NFL.

I like talented game managers. Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Troy Aikman, etc... Guys with the talent to take them beyond game manager, Andrew Luck for instance.

leebigeztx
01-05-2014, 10:53 PM
No one changes their opinion about a player becase of the combine. As most will say, the combine might move a guy 1/2 a round. JF nor Bortles will do anything at the combine that will change what gms think.

steelbtexan
01-05-2014, 11:11 PM
I also like Mettenberger and Brett Smith better than most. But the bolded is just wrong. Their skill sets aren't even close to similar.

McCarron/TB are said to be cerberal pocket passers that are very good at reading defenses. With avg arm strength. McCarron has a bigger frame.

Both have led several comebacks in their careers.

So I think they are more alike than most would be willing to admit.

mussop
01-06-2014, 12:05 AM
Agreed,

I see Matthews as a 10 yr all pro OG/C.

I have been saying this for over a month.

htownfan32
01-06-2014, 12:57 AM
Agreed,

I see Matthews as a 10 yr all pro OG/C.

This. He's not quite as good as folks are making him out to be. Joeckel in my opinion was a better tackle.

steelbtexan
01-06-2014, 07:22 AM
This. He's not quite as good as folks are making him out to be. Joeckel in my opinion was a better tackle.

There's nothing wrong with picking a 10 yr all pro at any position. I just wouldn't pick him at 1-1.

Errant Hothy
01-06-2014, 07:35 AM
No one changes their opinion about a player becase of the combine. As most will say, the combine might move a guy 1/2 a round. JF nor Bortles will do anything at the combine that will change what gms think.

Interviews and medicals that happen at the combine will certainly change opinions. Measurements as well.

Chris Johnson might argue that his 40 time at the combine changed some minds.

bah007
01-06-2014, 01:06 PM
McCarron/TB are said to be cerberal pocket passers that are very good at reading defenses. With avg arm strength. McCarron has a bigger frame.

Both have led several comebacks in their careers.

So I think they are more alike than most would be willing to admit.

I respect your point of view but we'll have to disagree. Average arm strength and McCarron being bigger are both true.

McCarron plays point guard to a bunch of stud athletes behind one of the best lines in the country. There is nothing cerebral to him other than the ability to mostly keep from turning the ball over. McCarron has led very few comebacks. He has mostly handed the ball off and let his playmakers lead the comebacks. There's nothing wrong with that. It's what he is asked to do.

Bridgewater is what I would define as a cerebral pocket passer. Makes checks at the line of scrimmage, sometimes even changing plays or formations on the fly. He is also the star of his team and has very little help outside of one good WR and a decent RB. Most every comeback that has happened while he was at Louisville has been carried out by his arm.

McCarron is a game manager who for the most part is just asked to not lose the game for his team. Bridgewater is the key cog for his entire team and is the main reason they have been so successful over the past two years.

WolverineFan
01-06-2014, 02:08 PM
McCarron is a game manager who for the most part is just asked to not lose the game for his team. Bridgewater is the key cog for his entire team and is the main reason they have been so successful over the past two years.

Yep, good description.

Without McCarron, Bama still wins at least 1 national title in the past 3 years. Without Bridgewater, Louisville doesn't sniff a Big East title, the Sugar Bowl, or get close to a 23-3 record over the last 2 years.

HOU-TEX
01-06-2014, 02:30 PM
This what? I don't care what Matthews does at the combine. His play is not that of an elite LT. Clowney is not going to disprove either the motivation or injury issues at the combine.

I agree, but then again, I don't think any player's worth the 1-1 this year. However, someone has to be it. I'd take him over any of the QB's listed in the top 5. Just my .02

Blake
01-06-2014, 02:47 PM
My 2 guys are Mettenberger and Brett Smith. To be clear I really dont like any of the QB's in this draft.

They have better arms than a game manager like Schaub/Dalton etc.... ever will have. I might be stained by the Schaub yrs.

I just use McCarron as a later rd comparison to TB because I think they have about the same abilities and you are considering TB at 1-1, when you could get McCarron at 3-1.

So your 2 guys are actually 2 guys you dont like?

Why even draft one if you dont like them? Are you wanting the Texans to get a free agent QB or what?

badboy
01-06-2014, 06:30 PM
Howdy, folks. Hope y'all had a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and fantastic new years. New Years' Eve brought us two things - a fantastic comeback victory over Duke by #21 Texas A&M, and in the middle of that game a notification from ESPN that the Houston Texans hired Bill O'Brien as their new HC.

I feel that a culture change is imminent in the franchise. Bill O'Brien strikes me as much more gritty than Kubiak, and I think far more willing to take chances on players in terms of character issues. Gone are the "Texans-worthy" days.

That being said, here is my mock draft of the postseason. It certainly won't be my last, and I'm looking forward to the annual board mock, which is always fun to do with the rest of the draftnik community here at TT.

With that said, let's begin.

(Note: I am using CBS's draft tools for height/weight measurements. Feel free to interject if you think there is a discrepancy or mistake).


1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville, 6-3 205 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/678/529/hi-res-185334991-teddy-bridgewater-of-the-louisville-cardinals-throws-a_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75


The back and forth on Bridgewater has been intense on this board, but I think as the offseason continues we will learn more and like more about Bridgewater. His OC Shawn Watson has said that he turned over the keys to the offense to Bridgewater as a sophomore. This kid is a film-room rat and lives and breathes the game. I see him step around exquisitely in the pocket instead of dancing like Manziel does sometimes (not going for a knock on my own university's QB, but he does tend to create pressure on himself sometimes). His release, while slightly unconventional, doesn't concern me that much. What does concern me is durability - he's skinny, but an NFL conditioning program will change that.

Long story short, TLDR; I think he is franchise QB material. And I have a gut feeling that Bill O'Brien will too.

Here's a better write up on Teddy than anything I can muster: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-bridgewater-2014-nfl-draft/


2. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford, 6-6 261 lbs.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/151/874/hi-res-7644478_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=435&q=85

Good pass rusher. Pac-12 DE who projects as a 3-4 OLB, he can step in and instantly contribute across from Whitney Mercilus. Featuring a good blend of speed and strength, with the ability to both pass the rusher and defend the run, he will be a good player for this defense, replacing Brooks Reed's lack of production. 2013 All-American and First Team All Pac-12 for 2012 and 2013.


3. JaWuan James, OT, Tennessee, 6-6 318 lbs.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0730/com_120730_clowjames_120731/com_120730_clowjames_120731.jpg


I think James is the sleeper pick at OT for quite a few people. He could be a starting tackle at many colleges, and has played well for Tennessee throughout the season. Athletic and very solid in the running game. Will be a upgrade over the turnstile Derek Newton.


4. E.J. Gaines, CB, Mizzou, 5-10, 195 lbs.

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This guy shut down Mike Evans, which tells me pretty much most of what I need to know. He's had good production in his games and I think will be a good replacement for the horrendous Brice McCain. Good mixture of cover and ball skills. Has played for a while and has been a solid member of the Mizzou secondary since 2011.


5. Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon, 6-6 287 lbs.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/294/74/6_1074294.jpg

Hart has been solid for Oregon this season. I believe he will rise slightly after the East West Shrine game but should be available for us. Recorded 64 tackles, five TFL, and three sacks. Limited playing time in certain blowout games due to the nature of Oregon wins.


6. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon, 6-5 250 lbs.

http://www.duckstopshere.com/images/Colt-Lyerla-Oregonusat-si.jpg

So, remember that culture change I was talking about? I think we're going to see more high risk players out of our new regime. I feel like this same regime would have taken a chance on Tyrann Mathieu last draft and Vontaze Burfict the draft before. Lyerla has cocaine problems but is a player. In the 6th I would not balk at taking him because A) what do you have to lose? and B) if he can clean up his act, he will contribute to a TE corps featuring Graham and a promising young TE in Griffin. I think OD is gone this offseason.

7. Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA, 6-4 230 lbs.

Will need to put on some weight. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and he impressed me. Kind of a Braman type player, I think he will be a solid ST contributor and will fight to become a contributor at ILB. High motor guy.



What do y'all think?Hate to take up space by quoting but lots to say. First thanks for your efforts as it helps with my thoughts. I see trade down (my mock) & quite easily two trades as no 1-1 player. I don't see need for OLB 2014 Mercilus & Trevardo Williams will start in this defense imo. I've pushed James for months but due to his ranking and Tenn record I have him 4th round #97. Same with Hart who I love but he cannot seem to move up & I have him 5th round. Agree with others McNair says no to Lyria who shot his Colt. I think we go with what we have and bring back Graham; probably sign a UDFA for TE.

Corner? I think we can replace McCain with Harris and add lower round CB selection.

steelbtexan
01-06-2014, 06:39 PM
So your 2 guys are actually 2 guys you dont like?

Why even draft one if you dont like them? Are you wanting the Texans to get a free agent QB or what?

Yes, I've said many times I dont really like any of the Qb's in this draft. These are the 2 that I think have the best chance of becoming what Texans fans are looking for.

But I would try to trade down and get a 2015 1st so that I could try to trade up in a much better QB draft and use this draft to fill many of the holes that currently exist on the team.

What I hope doesn't happen is that Rick reaches and ends up with another Carr.

Regardless of whether a QB is drafted or not, I would like for the Texans to get a vet QB like Cassell to bridge the gap.

kiwitexansfan
01-07-2014, 12:51 AM
Yes, I've said many times I dont really like any of the Qb's in this draft. These are the 2 that I think have the best chance of becoming what Texans fans are looking for. .

What do you mean by this?

What are Texans fans looking for?

Do you mean that you think Mettenberger and Smith are the two QBs most likely to bring a championship to Houston?

If so based in what?

Wolf6151
01-08-2014, 04:34 PM
My evaluation:

1. TB, hell yes I'm on the TB train, good pick.
2. Murphy, I'm assuming you want him at OLB for this mock. I love the size and hustle but alot is going to depend on his ability to bend and quickness. I'll be very interested to see his 10 yd. split time in the 40 at the Combine. I have doubts that he fits a traditional 3-4 at OLB.
3. James, I love this pick as well. I'm hoping he falls to the 4th in my latest mock.
4. Gaines, I don't know anything about him but CB is a definite need.
5. Hart, I think in Wade's 1 gap 3-4 he's great depth, in a 2 gap system he needs to add some weight but should be good depth.
6. Lyerla, doubtful that Uncle Bob signs off on this pick. If he can stay clean then he's going to be a steal for someone.
7. Zumwalt, I don't know anything about this guy either but ILB is a definite need.