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WolverineFan
01-04-2014, 02:00 PM
- Texans have solidified the #1 selection in the 2014 draft and have hired Bill O'Brien, who developed Tom Brady in New England among other accomplishments. This should ease some worry's about developing a young QB into what this city so desperately needs a franchise QB, above all other Football needs. This is our updated attempt to presume we know something about this years upcoming draft and the prospects who shall fill it. Some adjustments needing to be made with switch from Wade's '5-2 style one-gap 3-4' defense to Crennel's two-gaping 3-4. We hope you enjoy our work, as always its a fluid process, but we've identified key components to upgrade QB, OL, DL/pass rush, LB and RB depth, w/exception of flyer on Colt (plus value & O'Brian prizes big, athletic TE's) are Texan worthy!

1) Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville (6-3, 205)

- Texans fans have been unduly tested over the years when it comes to QB position, so we respect and understand any skepticism directed at prospects for position. However we have both come to consensus that Teddy garners the highest draft grade in his class (assuming he declares for the NFL Draft) beyond any shadow of doubt. He possess the total package of skills needed to become a franchise QB. Both his mind and arm as well as his cool demeanor under stress. He is above a 70% completion average guy that is both accurate and precise in his timing of routes. He gives his receivers the ability to run after catch without breaking stride or putting them in harms way. With 31 TD's to 4 int's in 2013, he is a pocket passer with excellent awareness and athletic ability to move and extend plays. He can play in any system and is one of the few to play in a pro style offense taking snaps under center. There will be many articles written about him now to the end of draft process and QB is the Texans #1 need, so suffice to say, this will assure them of the opportunity to either address this need or use Teddy Bridgewater stock value to trade down and stockpile picks. We are not here to suggest what will happen only that Teddy offers Texans the chance to turnaround this franchise into a winner.


2) Scott Crichton - DE/OLB, Oregon State (6-3, 265)

- Relentless pass rusher, country strong, intense work ethic, can set the edge and excellent run defender as well. Pac-12 1st Team DE who would project to OLB in Romeo Crennel 3-4 scheme, reminds us of some former Patriot OLB's Willie McGiniest/Scott Vrabel. He red-shirted as a freshmen so even though he is officially still listed as underclassman has been @ OSU 4 years hence along with draft grade (where we have him slotted) decided timing right. 6 sacks as freshman, 9 sacks sophomore, 7.5 sacks his Junior season for total of 22.5 sacks in three years. 165 tackles with 51 of those being for loss as a Beaver. Plus athlete as he is football player, displays mean streak, yet disciplined showing ability to hold his water (avoid false starts) yet explosive off line, think smaller compact version of JJ Watt. Here is some film breakdown & analysis -

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...scott-crichton


3) Morgan Moses - OT, Virginia (6-6, 335)

- OT is the most obvious need on this team outside of QB. With QB addressed already, it’s time to find a RT. Moses is a 4-year starter with 43 career starts under his belt, with the majority of those coming at RT. He played LT as a senior and could have a future there with some development. A massive human being at 6-6, 335 lbs. He is a mauler in the run game who plays with a mean streak and will drive guys off the ball. Great when blocking on the edge or pulling to the outside. If he locks you up when driving it is over. He is also an underrated pass protector. Good technique and good hand use. Has a strong anchor, but needs to work on his flexibility because he tends to play high sometimes. Does a great job of using his length when pass protecting and has great feet when sliding. More athletic than you would expect from a guy his size, but needs to drop a little bit of weight to maximize his athleticism. Should be a quality option to start at RT from day one.


4) Deandre Coleman - DT, Cal (6-5, 320)

- Lacks speed and lateral agility, but is quick and explosive off the ball. Uses his hands well and uses his length to keep separation. Uses his power to knock blockers back and collapse the pocket. Doesn’t do a great job of getting into the backfield because he doesn’t move well laterally, which is why we think he’s a better candidate at NT than DE. Plays high sometimes, but when he anchors he’s tough to move at the point of attack. Played in rotation as an underclassman, but in 2 years as a starter he tallied 87 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, and 5 sacks. Bring in a vet to platoon him with and let him develop. Has a lot of potential in this kind of defense.


5a) Antonio Andrews - RB, Western Kentucky (6-0, 215)

- Productive and capable feature back to replace Ben Tate. Develop under Foster until ready to take over. Very durable. Rushed for 3463 yards and scored 27 TD's the last two seasons. Can also return kicks and play special teams. Well built, compact with good balance and low center of gravity. Downhill runner with great vision that breaks a lot of tackles. Very good receiver and is dangerous after the catch. Three down back that has starting potential as a pro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiI9NSFijf0


5b) (compensatory selection based off FA losses) Colt Lyerla - TE, Oregon (6-5, 245)

- 2nd/3rd round talent. Dropped because of drug charges (possession of cocaine), will serve his time (10 days), and be required to complete drug program. After which he will be training in Nevada with Dwight Ross of Performance Athletics in Nevada. Lyerla started 12 games for the Ducks in his career, catching 34 passes for 565 yards and 12 touchdowns. Effective blocker despite his size, but also has the frame to put on more weight. Very effective receiver downfield and in the middle of the field. Only started one year and is pretty raw as a true TE because of spread offense. Has tons of NFL potential for team willing to take the risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WmPZZ3TWI


6) Brandon Thomas - OG, Clemson (6-3, 315)

- Adding multiple quality O-Lineman prospects should be a priority this year and should help bolster trenches. Thomas is a gig, nasty plug 'n play OG with Tackle experience. Has started 35 consecutive games. Was a 1st Team All-ACC selection by coaches in 2013 and in 2012 by media. Played LT against Jadeveon Clowney and held his own. Could become a terrific LG at next level even possibly filling in swing tackle role if needed.


7) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB, UCLA (6-3, 240)

- Tough, physical player. Typical of a late round pick who will compete to make an NFL roster. He has good instincts and can find the ball. Coached under Jim Mora. When initially blocked, his motor will wear down anything technically unsound to beat his man and slip blocks. Finds his way to fill at the point and make plays. In pass coverage, he has a good drop and shows awareness in zone. Will have to earn his way through outstanding special teams play. Will get stronger in the NFL and add some bulk, but still should test well at the combine for his group.

thunderkyss
01-05-2014, 08:14 AM
Crennel to the Texans is still in it's rumors stage.

I am, however, comforted that you & a few other of our draftniks feel so strongly about Bridgewater. I do not.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 08:36 AM
Crennel to the Texans is still in it's rumors stage.

I am, however, comforted that you & a few other of our draftniks feel so strongly about Bridgewater. I do not.

What I gather from reading about TB is the cerebal side of his game is what sets him apart . He may not be the physical prototype as say Bortles but he has ran a pro offense from the LOS . I think the Texans will pick the apple of their eye whether it be TB or JFF without asking me so that's all I got .

beerlover
01-05-2014, 10:32 AM
Crennel to the Texans is still in it's rumors stage.

I am, however, comforted that you & a few other of our draftniks feel so strongly about Bridgewater. I do not.

FYI,

In our first installment we correctly projected Bill O'Brian to become the new head coach for Texans. Let's just wait & see if we're two for two :ahhaha:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9299/romeo-crennel

Yes we're both excited to get TB drafted into camp & integrated into the new scheme/regime. Gone will be those predictable, jump on underneath pick 6 days, teams will be forced to play better man coverage & blitz with four man fronts, if they come with the house they will now pay for their aggressiveness. :texflag:

drs23
01-05-2014, 07:00 PM
FYI,

In our first installment we correctly projected Bill O'Brian to become the new head coach for Texans. Let's just wait & see if we're two for two :ahhaha:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9299/romeo-crennel

Yes we're both excited to get TB drafted into camp & integrated into the new scheme/regime. Gone will be those predictable, jump on underneath pick 6 days, teams will be forced to play better man coverage & blitz with four man fronts, if they come with the house they will now pay for their aggressiveness. :texflag:

:drool:

Wolf6151
01-07-2014, 03:04 AM
I like picks 1,2, 4, and 6 (maybe). If we're taking a OT in the 3rd, I'd much rather have JaWaun James than Moses. I think Moses falls to the 5th or later due to lack of athleticism, he just doesn't seem to bend his knees enough and not agile enough. I like Lyerla, if he can stay clean, and have doubts that Bob would allow that pick. The other guys I'm not familiar with. Instead of Thomas in the 6th, he strikes me as a ZBS OG and I think we're getting away from that, I'd look at Ryan Groy or Andrew Norwell.

infantrycak
01-07-2014, 09:24 AM
Instead of Thomas in the 6th, he strikes me as a ZBS OG and I think we're getting away from that, I'd look at Ryan Groy or Andrew Norwell.

The guy coming on as OL coach is a ZBS guy.

Texian
01-07-2014, 09:47 AM
The guy coming on as OL coach is a ZBS guy.

True, his Daddy runs the best ZBS used in college.

Wolf6151
01-07-2014, 02:26 PM
The guy coming on as OL coach is a ZBS guy.

Thanks that's good to know. I was under the assumption that we'd be getting away from the ZBS. It's good to know that all O-linemen are on the board now.

aussie_texan
01-07-2014, 06:27 PM
very nice mock.
Personally I'm still undecided on whether i prefer JF or TB, but leaning to TB based off his football intelligence.

Personally i would like to see an ILB taken a bit earlier or address the DE position.
Curious to see your evaluation on whether the weakest part of our defence is the D-line or Linebackers?

Again overall very nice mock, i will need to watch some of these guys because a few i haven't seen at all.


P.s. your contribution to the college forum is much appreciated.

beerlover
01-08-2014, 12:42 AM
Great article from Lance/Harris sideline view

Although they had Scott Crichton rated a full two rounds below where we feel he should/will be selected I do agree with his review here REPORT

Over his three years in Corvallis, Crichton has put together an impressive highlight reel. His sack numbers were down in 2013 (6.5) as opposed to 2012 (9.0) but Crichton was a marked man. He often faced chips and double teams throughout the 2013 season and didn't get much help from his teammates. In all, the Beaver defense was a disappointment, but Crichton still played at a high level, even with a drop off in statistical production.

Most draft eligible edge players in this class ooze athleticism, quickness and speed. However, Crichton plays more powerfully in all aspects. He has a great burst off the ball and first step, but he doesn't win with that speed off the edge.

However, his strength and relentless nature get him to the quarterback. He'll move around a bit, but he's a power end with improving pass rush skills. However, his relentless, attacking nature stands out as his best asset.

What helps his stock more is he has heavy hands, stack & shed better than most all the DE's listed ahead of him but is athletic with smooth hips, showing ability to change direction along with good angles & natural kill instincts. In regards to his numbers for sacks & like being down his Junior season while that may be true the same can be said for JJ Watt. However statistically grading JJ Watt week in & week out he was even more dominant than year before with all those knockdowns & sacks. Teams can & will game plan to nullify the other teams best player but the investment does show up in one on one & double team match-ups. Same was true this past season for Scott. So in our report, Crichton is an upgrade to Brooks who should kick inside next to Cushing in a revamped, more traditional 3-4. Deandre Coleman (listed #201 prospect) should press the pocket more than Mitchell, has superior frame & size to do it.

leebigeztx
01-08-2014, 02:04 AM
I have a lot of questions on the oregon state kid. He's relentless,but he's not a bendable athlete. He's very,very similar to reed. He's the kinda guy who will get coverage sacks vs whippin the guy in front of him. I prefer Michael Sam or Vic Beasley over him at top 2nd rd if that's where we're going.

beerlover
01-08-2014, 08:36 AM
I have a lot of questions on the oregon state kid. He's relentless,but he's not a bendable athlete. He's very,very similar to reed. He's the kinda guy who will get coverage sacks vs whippin the guy in front of him. I prefer Michael Sam or Vic Beasley over him at top 2nd rd if that's where we're going.

Yeah if your after bendable edge rusher Vic the #26th rated player @ 6-2 235 is the guy. Mocked him earlier in season matter of fact then felt he was out of reach (mid to late first). Michael Sam is impressive, just have not watched as much film of him as Crichton who is similar to a Melvin Ingram. Seems more of discussion of strongside vs weakside, Brooks vs Mercilus, who needs upgraded most?

Wolf6151
01-08-2014, 03:54 PM
I have a lot of questions on the oregon state kid. He's relentless,but he's not a bendable athlete. He's very,very similar to reed. He's the kinda guy who will get coverage sacks vs whippin the guy in front of him. I prefer Michael Sam or Vic Beasley over him at top 2nd rd if that's where we're going.

How bout Jeremiah Attaochu in the 3rd?

badboy
01-08-2014, 07:14 PM
Just my two cents but I like Sam over Crighton.

beerlover
01-11-2014, 12:22 PM
2-2 First O'Brian now Crennel http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Report-Romeo-Crennel-hired-as-defensive-coordinator/e8801111-de20-403b-aedb-cae7206d471b Also of note: Mike Vrabel added to staff as LB coach, he was coaching Ryan Shazier @ Ohio State.

Still feel solidly behind Bridgewater.

2nd rd. pick still in flux as board moves fluidly. If we could add outside speed, toughness & a true warrior football player @ OLB count me in. Crighton has all those things except for the speed part (can kick inside more, less fluid hips but relentless).

If Texans had drafted Olgetree last year then WR with this above average crop would surely net a first round player, probably making it actual BPA. Would Texans go WR, then WR this early again? This will be a true test of BPA approach which is really a bunch of bull anyway. What isn't bull is adding another playmaker on defense to LB position. I'm thinking if Ryan Shazier slips into the mid 20's maybe Texans have him high enough on their board to trade up a few picks to get him? With Cushing back adding Shazier to mix would instantly impact this defensive ability to pressure the QB & stop the run, taking much needed pressure OFF the secondary.

The difference between say, #27 (680) & #33 (580) is only 100 points making it only a swap of say, 3rds. #65 (265) #85 (165) 21st pick of 3rd for 1st.

Instead of Mosses, OT Virginia Texans could look at next best OT like Ja'Wann James who I see a lot of you mock to Texans in the 4th. This way you could have both, cake & eat it too. Also flipped Colt with Brandon Thomas who was a beast for Clemson in Orange Bowl. Cannot remember his name but new OL coach is a zone blocking guy so remains a solid fit schematically:

1) Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville (6-3, 205)

1a) Ryan Shazier - OLB, Ohio State (6-2, 230)

3) Ja'Wann James - OT, Tennessee (6-6, 324)

4) Deandre Coleman - DT, Cal (6-5, 320)

5a) Antonio Andrews - RB, Western Kentucky (6-0, 215)

5b) (compensatory selection based off FA losses)Brandon Thomas - OG, Clemson (6-3, 315)

6) Colt Lyerla - TE, Oregon (6-5, 245)

7) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB, UCLA (6-3, 240)

Honoring Earl 34
01-11-2014, 12:24 PM
2-2 First O'Brian now Crennel http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Report-Romeo-Crennel-hired-as-defensive-coordinator/e8801111-de20-403b-aedb-cae7206d471b Also of note: Mike Vrabel added to staff as LB coach, he was coaching Ryan Shazier @ Ohio State.

Still feel solidly behind Bridgewater.

2nd rd. pick still in flux as board moves fluidly. If we could add outside speed, toughness & a true warrior football player @ OLB count me in. Crighton has all those things except for the speed part (can kick inside more, less fluid hips but relentless).

If Texans had drafted Olgetree last year then WR with this above average crop would surely net a first round player, probably making it actual BPA. Would Texans go WR, then WR this early again? This will be a true test of BPA approach which is really a bunch of bull anyway. What isn't bull is adding another playmaker on defense to LB position. I'm thinking if Ryan Shazier slips into the mid 20's maybe Texans have him high enough on their board to trade up a few picks to get him? With Cushing back adding Shazier to mix would instantly impact this defensive ability to pressure the QB & stop the run, taking much needed pressure OFF the secondary.

The difference between say, #27 (680) & #33 (580) is only 100 points making it only a swap of say, 3rds. #65 (265) #85 (165) 21st pick of 3rd for 1st.

Instead of Mosses, OT Virginia Texans could look at next best OT like Ja'Wann James who I see a lot of you mock to Texans in the 4th. This way you could have both, cake & eat it too. Also flipped Colt with Brandon Thomas who was a beast for Clemson in Orange Bowl. Cannot remember his name but new OL coach is a zone blocking guy so remains a solid fit schematically:

1) Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville (6-3, 205)

1a) Ryan Shazier - OLB, Ohio State (6-2, 230)

3) Ja'Wann James - OT, Tennessee (6-6, 324)

4) Deandre Coleman - DT, Cal (6-5, 320)

5a) Antonio Andrews - RB, Western Kentucky (6-0, 215)

5b) (compensatory selection based off FA losses)Brandon Thomas - OG, Clemson (6-3, 315)

6) Colt Lyerla - TE, Oregon (6-5, 245)

7) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB, UCLA (6-3, 240)

That would work .

leebigeztx
01-11-2014, 01:12 PM
2-2 First O'Brian now Crennel http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Report-Romeo-Crennel-hired-as-defensive-coordinator/e8801111-de20-403b-aedb-cae7206d471b Also of note: Mike Vrabel added to staff as LB coach, he was coaching Ryan Shazier @ Ohio State.

Still feel solidly behind Bridgewater.

2nd rd. pick still in flux as board moves fluidly. If we could add outside speed, toughness & a true warrior football player @ OLB count me in. Crighton has all those things except for the speed part (can kick inside more, less fluid hips but relentless).

If Texans had drafted Olgetree last year then WR with this above average crop would surely net a first round player, probably making it actual BPA. Would Texans go WR, then WR this early again? This will be a true test of BPA approach which is really a bunch of bull anyway. What isn't bull is adding another playmaker on defense to LB position. I'm thinking if Ryan Shazier slips into the mid 20's maybe Texans have him high enough on their board to trade up a few picks to get him? With Cushing back adding Shazier to mix would instantly impact this defensive ability to pressure the QB & stop the run, taking much needed pressure OFF the secondary.

The difference between say, #27 (680) & #33 (580) is only 100 points making it only a swap of say, 3rds. #65 (265) #85 (165) 21st pick of 3rd for 1st.

Instead of Mosses, OT Virginia Texans could look at next best OT like Ja'Wann James who I see a lot of you mock to Texans in the 4th. This way you could have both, cake & eat it too. Also flipped Colt with Brandon Thomas who was a beast for Clemson in Orange Bowl. Cannot remember his name but new OL coach is a zone blocking guy so remains a solid fit schematically:

1) Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville (6-3, 205)

1a) Ryan Shazier - OLB, Ohio State (6-2, 230)

3) Ja'Wann James - OT, Tennessee (6-6, 324)

4) Deandre Coleman - DT, Cal (6-5, 320)

5a) Antonio Andrews - RB, Western Kentucky (6-0, 215)

5b) (compensatory selection based off FA losses)Brandon Thomas - OG, Clemson (6-3, 315)

6) Colt Lyerla - TE, Oregon (6-5, 245)

7) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB, UCLA (6-3, 240)

Is James the tackle opposite of tiny richardson? You know,I'm really struggling with the 2nd rd pick. I really ,really like Kyle Fuller,Antonio Richardson ,and Mike Sam,possibly if there beasley at that spot. Since Mcgill (Utah) cb will probably be there as late as the 4th,I might pass fuller. If they sign someone like jason worlids from steelers,I would probably pass on sam and beasley also. So that kinda brings me to Tiny Richardson as a tackle. In terms of shazier, I really think RAC is gonna move Reed inside like he did Bruschi. Reed has a lot of characteristics as bruschi. This would kill the shazier pick. I would probably take Skov over shazier.

WolverineFan
01-11-2014, 01:21 PM
Is James the tackle opposite of tiny richardson? You know,I'm really struggling with the 2nd rd pick. I really ,really like Kyle Fuller,Antonio Richardson ,and Mike Sam,possibly if there beasley at that spot. Since Mcgill (Utah) cb will probably be there as late as the 4th,I might pass fuller. If they sign someone like jason worlids from steelers,I would probably pass on sam and beasley also. So that kinda brings me to Tiny Richardson as a tackle. In terms of shazier, I really think RAC is gonna move Reed inside like he did Bruschi. Reed has a lot of characteristics as bruschi. This would kill the shazier pick. I would probably take Skov over shazier.

We tried to do a very realistic mock and we talked over Richardson extensively but, despite Richardson being my favorite OT in the draft, I was pounding the table that he wouldn't be there at #33. Would love to get him but, especially with Erving staying in school, I don't see any way he gets out of the top 25 picks.

beerlover
01-11-2014, 03:05 PM
Is James the tackle opposite of tiny richardson? You know,I'm really struggling with the 2nd rd pick. I really ,really like Kyle Fuller,Antonio Richardson ,and Mike Sam,possibly if there beasley at that spot. Since Mcgill (Utah) cb will probably be there as late as the 4th,I might pass fuller. If they sign someone like jason worlids from steelers,I would probably pass on sam and beasley also. So that kinda brings me to Tiny Richardson as a tackle. In terms of shazier, I really think RAC is gonna move Reed inside like he did Bruschi. Reed has a lot of characteristics as bruschi. This would kill the shazier pick. I would probably take Skov over shazier.

excellent banter!

Of course this all has to pass my drafting partner who is already coming up with options that make a ton of sense, be that as it may, all this talk of moving down is pure fools gold, moving up is the way to go & later better because your not costing franchise the all coveted leader of said franchise.

If RAC did move Brooks inside per Bruschi that would make sense. My feeling was Shazier association with Vrabel could determine decisive action. WolverineFan also likes Shazier inside, which takes a bit off his value if Brooks is moved inside instead. Best pure pass rusher is what they will target, Shazier is all world as is Creighton, meaning well rounded in all facets of the game. Depending how well he measures out, the best pass rusher outside of top 20 could be a guy like BYU Kyle Van Roy? Move Brooks inside, bolstering interior run defense then kicking out Mercilus with another #1 pick Van Roy.

Whats really hard is not about as much the fit or value as it is the availability. Which is why teams, good teams with success, have traded up to address need with a better player than who would be available with their actual pick. I remember not feeling Seahawks did a good job moving up to draft Bruce Irvin & while he has been hurt, not really showcasing his ability on a consistent basis, when he has been healthy he creates mis-matches & problems for offenses. Von Miller is another example who has proven more, been dominant but injured & suspended, yet he was worth the #2 overall pick? pass rusher man!!! thanks man, awesome feedback :)

beerlover
01-11-2014, 03:09 PM
We tried to do a very realistic mock and we talked over Richardson extensively but, despite Richardson being my favorite OT in the draft, I was pounding the table that he wouldn't be there at #33. Would love to get him but, especially with Erving staying in school, I don't see any way he gets out of the top 25 picks.

yes he did. that's just the way it is. from other mocks, in my view WolverineFan has kept it strict & realistic which led to idea of trading up back into first round to address best pure OLB outside top 20. Mercilus is probably better suited as a 4-3 DE. Can he replace Brooks while Texans bring in a better outside pass rusher?

beerlover
01-11-2014, 04:59 PM
It's all about Fluidity; Van Roy, per WolverineFan over Shazier to be Texans new starting OLB. Brooks kicks to ILB, per leebigeztx, next to Cushing. Add late round back-up ILB/OLB to develop per EmDiggy Carlos Fields, as Zumwalt is soaring up draft board, no longer available in 7th.

1) Teddy Bridgewater - QB, Louisville (6-3, 205)

1a) Kyle Van Roy, OLB, BYU (6-3, 235)

3) Ja'Wann James - OT, Tennessee (6-6, 324)

4) Deandre Coleman - DT, Cal (6-5, 320)

5a) Antonio Andrews - RB, Western Kentucky (6-0, 215)

5b) Brandon Thomas (compensatory selection based off FA losses)- OG, Clemson (6-3, 315)

6) Colt Lyerla - TE, Oregon (6-5, 245)

7) Carlos Fields - ILB/OLB, Winston Salem (6-2 235)

very athletic, developmental, scary good with finishing ability. Classic sleeper pick, probably go un-drafted but just take him, similar athletic & finishing ability to Khalil Mack (which most of us are familiar with) just raw & undersized.