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IDEXAN
12-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Apparently, the Houston Texansí firing of Gary Kubiak has one other AFC South team looking to make major changes very soon ó and possibly before the 2013 season is done. According to Mike Silver and Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Tennessee Titansí front office is not happy with the direction of the team, and head coach Mike Munchak is coaching for his job at this point. Because the Texans are now the only NFL team able to openly and publicly talk to available head-coaching candidates like Lovie Smith, the move may happen sooner than later, Silver reports. In fact, Munchak may not last the season.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/08/tennessee-titans-mike-munchak-jake-locker-chris-johnson/?eref=sihp

Honoring Earl 34
12-08-2013, 01:15 PM
I'll take Munch as an OL coach right now .

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 02:14 PM
If this is all true...

I think the Tacks are fooling themselves if they think they need to fire Munch now so they can "get ahead" of the Texans for first choice.

Anyone choosing Possum Holler while still a Texans candidate would have to have his decision-making called into question. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

houstonspartan
12-08-2013, 02:22 PM
Lol. That's a Bud Adams-ish move. He was always looking over his shoulder nervously at the Texans.

Aren't they technically still in the hunt for a wild card spot?

Regardless, no way they could compete with us for top coaches. The job here is much, much better than that one.

JB
12-08-2013, 03:15 PM
Lol. That's a Bud Adams-ish move. He was always looking over his shoulder nervously at the Texans.

Aren't they technically still in the hunt for a wild card spot?

Regardless, no way they could compete with us for top coaches. The job here is much, much better than that one.

Bud Adams is no longer there, who knows what that franchise is thought of?

chicagotexan2
12-08-2013, 10:22 PM
I'll take Munch as an OL coach right now .

I always thought munchak as the HC was an odd choice but I'd love munchak and Matthews in heartbeat to whip the few OL that deserve a job here.

Norg
12-08-2013, 10:37 PM
Kubes to TENN !!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 10:49 PM
Kubes to TENN !!!!!!!!!!! LOL

God, I didn't even think of that. It's happening!

Scooter
12-08-2013, 10:53 PM
i would definitely believe they're targeting kubiak, but i HIGHLY doubt that he would want to go to tennessee. remember this is a guy that reportedly turned down offers as a coordinator in denver before coming to houston. i cant imagine him wanting to uproot and go to tennessee.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:24 PM
Munchak never had that strong of a chance to turn that team around. Wasn't the best coaching gig for him to take. Like many coaches in the past, he never had an adequate QB to work with. I thought he did alright considering what the Titans had to work with, but I didn't think he would last that long either. I'd love to have that guy as an Oline coach.

nero THE zero
12-09-2013, 09:48 AM
i would definitely believe they're targeting kubiak, but i HIGHLY doubt that he would want to go to tennessee. remember this is a guy that reportedly turned down offers as a coordinator in denver before coming to houston. i cant imagine him wanting to uproot and go to tennessee.

I don't see any reason why not. There are only 32 of those jobs.

Though, my money is on him taking a year off for health reasons before looking to come back.

HOU-TEX
12-09-2013, 10:25 AM
Drafting Locker has hurt Munch in a big way. Hiring a lot of his buddies to coach might've hurt him a bit too.

4Texans
12-09-2013, 11:25 AM
I don't see any reason why not. There are only 32 of those jobs.



Though, my money is on him taking a year off for health reasons before looking to come back.


Exactly. I see him taking the year off and making sure his health is in check to. When the opportunity comes, he will want to be a head coach again and no reason that couldn't happen in Tenn.

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 11:42 AM
Taking a year off is a rarity for NFL coaches - one pretty much limited to those who know they have the cache to have offers when they get back. That's true even though they are often owed money from their old employer so not making anything significant by going to a new job. I doubt Kubiak turns down an OC gig of college HC gig unless it is a horrible situation.

Vinny
12-09-2013, 11:59 AM
Both Munchack and Matthews will be free if they implode that staff. Both class, class guys. I'd love to have them here coaching the line....but that's putting the cart way in front of the horse at this point.

Norg
12-09-2013, 12:18 PM
Munchack and Matthews come back home to Houston ..??????

naaaaa LOL

Hookem Horns
12-09-2013, 10:26 PM
Kubes to TENN !!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I seriously doubt anyone is going to be giving Kubiak a HC job any time soon. Most know that he should not have lasted as long as he did here.

At this point I am not even sure he is still a good OC since everything he does is becoming more and more dated and ineffective.

Norg
12-10-2013, 01:56 AM
I seriously doubt anyone is going to be giving Kubiak a HC job any time soon. Most know that he should not have lasted as long as he did here.

At this point I am not even sure he is still a good OC since everything he does is becoming more and more dated and ineffective.


he would make a hell of a QB coach

toronto
12-10-2013, 02:03 PM
If ever a team needed an enema when it comes to their coaching staff, man do the Texans and Titans have something in common. Munchak was handed a ton of talent this year, but was so in over his head, it was downright comical. Yes Locker got hurt, but there is talent at every position. He can't manage a game, doesn't know how to challenge plays, and tries way too hard to play the emotionless CEO card. It was a terrible hire to begin with, but part of a 40 year run of mosly sad choices by a bad franchise.

Seriously, when Jeff Fisher is looked at as the best the franchise ever had, that o me shows how futile its been.

HOU-TEX
12-10-2013, 02:54 PM
If ever a team needed an enema when it comes to their coaching staff, man do the Texans and Titans have something in common. Munchak was handed a ton of talent this year, but was so in over his head, it was downright comical. Yes Locker got hurt, but there is talent at every position. He can't manage a game, doesn't know how to challenge plays, and tries way too hard to play the emotionless CEO card. It was a terrible hire to begin with, but part of a 40 year run of mosly sad choices by a bad franchise.

Seriously, when Jeff Fisher is looked at as the best the franchise ever had, that o me shows how futile its been.

When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread

The Pencil Neck
12-10-2013, 03:42 PM
When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread

I assumed he meant just the Titans without the Oilers included. Of course, that means it's just Fisher and Munchak in the running but c'est la vie.

If he is including the Oilers then... no. Just. No.

toronto
12-10-2013, 04:14 PM
When you say franchise do you mean the Tennessee titans? Or are the Oilers history included.

If it does include the Oilers, the person(s) saying such things is psycho. I'm not sure he'd even be top 5.

I apologize in advance if I misread

Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.

infantrycak
12-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better?

I would think 4 playoff years out of 5 would trump 6 out of 16 pretty easily.

The Pencil Neck
12-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Well I don't remember the 60s but from Bum Phillips, to Hugh campbell, to Glanville, to Pardee, to Fish, who the heck was better? This isn't an organization that has a great coaching tree. If anything it's one of the worst. Yes I include the Oilers, as that's what I grew up on 1978 onwards.

I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.

toronto
12-10-2013, 05:39 PM
I'd consider Bum Phillips and Jack Pardee easily better than Fisher. Maybe even Glanville even though he was only about 50%.

I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.

Double Barrel
12-10-2013, 05:43 PM
I would think 4 playoff years out of 5 would trump 6 out of 16 pretty easily.

True, but Fisher did one thing none of the others could achieve: win an AFC championship.

I'm not a Fisher fan, but I'd have to put him in the top 5 coaches of Oilers/Titans franchise history.

My order would probably be Bum, Pardee, Fisher, Glanville...maybe Lou Rymkus for two AFL championships?

toronto
12-12-2013, 06:44 PM
I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.

I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.

JB
12-12-2013, 06:57 PM
I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.

You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.

toronto
12-12-2013, 07:02 PM
You have to remember that Pardee was operating with both hands tied behind his back. So was Holovak. Bum took complete control away from both, even more than he normally did.

His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.

JB
12-12-2013, 07:14 PM
His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.

Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.

toronto
12-12-2013, 07:21 PM
Jack Pardee never quit on anything in his life. Yeah he made some bad decisions but I think you judge too harshly.

I'm not judging him harshly, I just believe, while we're not talking Vince Lombardi here, that Fisher was a better coach than Pardee. Too much bad and choke happened under his watch. To me, those were the most talented teams I ever saw where the powder blue.

That said, I'd take the 1993 Pardee over 2013 Munchak. (lol I guess only to me)

Hervoyel
12-12-2013, 08:30 PM
I swear, after watching A Football Life I would hope that re-opened some people's eyes on Pardee. He does not deserve to be on anyone's "best of" lists when it comes to the Oilers. Sorry.

I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.

toronto
12-12-2013, 08:47 PM
I deeply disagree with you on this. Pardee was past his prime when he came to the Oiler's but that same terrible coaching tree you brought up pretty much assures him of a place near the top.

As was said 4 out of 5 tops 6 in 16. I have a lot of respect for Pardee. I like Fisher, always have and like most old Oiler fans I loved Bum. Fisher's third in my mind behind the other two.

To each their own my friend! :)

I think its partially because I was there in person for 35-3. You never heal from that wound.

Texecutioner
12-12-2013, 09:05 PM
I'll stipulate Bum. But not a frigging chance on Pardee or Glanville. I remember those chokes and underachieving teams like it was yesterday. They were given SB-caliber talent and blew it, especially Pardee. At least Fish saw the SB and a 2nd AFC Championship, and this is coming from someone who is NOT a Fisher guy.

Yeah, that is some pretty strong exaggeration there. Pardee had a stacked team and couldn't get anywhere with it in the post season. Biggest choke job of all time to. Glanville had some mild successes, but everyone always knew that he was pathetic. For the most part I always felt that the Titans were having success here and there, because of Fisher's coaching and not in spite of it like many other HC's. When Fisher had a good QB in Mcnair the Titans had quite a few nice seasons. I thought that Fisher made that team better than it should have been most of the time. I can't say the same thing for either Pardee or Glanville. Bum had more success when you consider the winning percentage, but it's a much smaller sample so it's hard to compare without seeing what Bum could have done in a similar period like what Fisher had.


His hands weren't tied on 35-3, or the loss the previous year in Denver, or when they blew homefield and the bye against a crappy Giants team the last week of the season - when they knew how critical it would be for Denver.

Yes Bud was his typical self with his cartoon-like move to bring in Buddy and not even bother telling anyone. But a stronger more assertive, confident coach either doesn't let that happen on his watch, or quits. He tried to literally ignore the circus, which was impossible.

Pretty much. Good post.

The Pencil Neck
01-04-2014, 01:56 PM
LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/04/report-titans-fire-mike-munchak/)

I'd been hearing on the NFLN that he was just going to have to restructure his staff...

TheIronDuke
01-04-2014, 01:57 PM
Hes probably going to Ped State anyway. Sad to see him out of the division as a HC though.

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2014, 01:59 PM
I bet they hire Franklin .

Texian
01-04-2014, 02:01 PM
Jim Wyatt ‏@jwyattsports 7m

@mortreport says coach Mike Munchak has been fired by #Titans. He was offered chance to come back on Friday, with conditions

Hookem Horns
01-04-2014, 02:55 PM
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

Gary Kubiak anyone?

Heath Shuler
01-04-2014, 02:57 PM
Jim Wyatt ‏@jwyattsports

Among the coaches Munchak was going to have to let go: DC Gray, OC Loggains, OL coach Matthews and LB coach Parlavecchio #Titans


with conditions...........

TheIronDuke
01-04-2014, 02:57 PM
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

They might wait until the playoffs are over to interview some of those guys who aren't available just yet. Like a Whisenhut or anybody on Seattles staff.

Texecutioner
01-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Kubes to TENN !!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Please make it happen!!

toronto
01-04-2014, 08:40 PM
This is not a good season to be waiting to fire your coach a good week after the regular season has ended.

Does that make 7 firings already?? Those other 6 teams have gotten a good week head start on the Titans in their coach search and the 2 best candidates are already off the board.

Gary Kubiak anyone?

It's not that big a head start. I suspect the Titans will lean towards a Zimmer, Gase or Quinn.

Doubt they will dip into the college ranks...

Hervoyel
01-04-2014, 10:56 PM
I see Munchak joining Fisher in St Louis. Matthews probably goes with him.

beerlover
01-04-2014, 11:07 PM
I see Munchak joining Fisher in St Louis. Matthews probably goes with him.

Good call, either Bruce or Jake, hell maybe both :barman:

Texecutioner
01-04-2014, 11:19 PM
Good call, either Bruce or Jake, hell maybe both :barman:

I could see that as well. Good move for both and I would root for them. I think that Munchack was somewhat impressive as a HC considering the team he coached for and who they had.

Playoffs
01-04-2014, 11:27 PM
Kudos to Munchak for telling Tommy Smith to shove it when told he had to fire Bruce Matthews et al to keep his job. :clap:

Texecutioner
01-04-2014, 11:34 PM
Kudos to Munchak for telling Tommy Smith to shove it when told he had to fire Bruce Matthews et al to keep his job. :clap:

Well I don't know that I would give him kudos for that. I love Mathews myself, but that is the same thing many of us bashed Kubiak and Mack Brown for. Loyalty to their staff to a fault. I'm not saying this was the case as I wasn't informed enough about the situation, but I hate coaches that refuse to get rid of a weakness on their staff. With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.

YeaLikeRightNow
01-05-2014, 08:38 AM
Well I don't know that I would give him kudos for that. I love Mathews myself, but that is the same thing many of us bashed Kubiak and Mack Brown for. Loyalty to their staff to a fault. I'm not saying this was the case as I wasn't informed enough about the situation, but I hate coaches that refuse to get rid of a weakness on their staff. With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.


True...but I wonder what Kubes would have done given the option "with conditions"?

:thinking:

Playoffs
01-05-2014, 09:49 AM
With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.

Munchak was offered an extension at double his salary if he allowed Tommy Smith to micro-manage his staff. All Munch had to do was fire 12 guys. I promise you the Titans downfall wasn't on Matthews.

Sometimes you stand up for what's right. Just because some fan thinks you're wrong doesn't make it so. Munch decided he didn't want to wear a skirt in Nashville. Good for him, IMO. His integrity was not for sale.

kingtexan
01-05-2014, 10:59 AM
I'll take Munch as an OL coach right now .

Rather have Matthews, and let him coach up his kid.

Hookem Horns
01-05-2014, 11:37 AM
Munchak was offered an extension at double his salary if he allowed Tommy Smith to micro-manage his staff. All Munch had to do was fire 12 guys. I promise you the Titans downfall wasn't on Matthews.

Sometimes you stand up for what's right. Just because some fan thinks you're wrong doesn't make it so. Munch decided he didn't want to wear a skirt in Nashville. Good for him, IMO. His integrity was not for sale.

LOL .. this guy wants to manage a NFL staff?? He looks like the love child of Bud and Jabba the Hut ...

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac30/codybraverman/tommysmith2_zps0841e71a.gif?t=1387206405

http://cmsimg.dnj.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=D4&Date=20131211&Category=SPORTS&ArtNo=312110011&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Smith-agonizing-over-coach-s-future-Titans

houstonspartan
01-05-2014, 11:52 AM
Well I don't know that I would give him kudos for that. I love Mathews myself, but that is the same thing many of us bashed Kubiak and Mack Brown for. Loyalty to their staff to a fault. I'm not saying this was the case as I wasn't informed enough about the situation, but I hate coaches that refuse to get rid of a weakness on their staff. With a guy like Mathews and Munchack though, those two are probably going to be forever attached to the hip. Playing aside one another as long as they have and being as successful as they both were together, you can't break that bond. They're going to stand side by side as coaches until the other gets that big job offer he really needs that is a clear upgrade.


Yeah, Pete Carrol fired his OC, a good friend, mid-season. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. This isn't high school.

Having said that, it sounds like the titans were essentially taking away his power. Replacing that many assistants is a big deal. Better to part ways.


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Double Barrel
01-06-2014, 12:17 PM
True...but I wonder what Kubes would have done given the option "with conditions"?

:thinking:

Hire Wade Phillips. :fingergun:

Showtime100
01-06-2014, 10:01 PM
Munchak needs to get it over with and sign as the new HC at Penn State.

Playoffs
01-06-2014, 10:04 PM
There's NFL interest in Munch. He did a credible job with messed up QB situation. Smart to get out of the mess that's Possum Holler.

BigBull
01-06-2014, 11:36 PM
There's NFL interest in Munch. He did a credible job with messed up QB situation. Smart to get out of the mess that's Possum Holler.


As what an oline coach? Because if any gm is interested in him as a hc they should be fired immediately.


Sent from the future...

Playoffs
01-11-2014, 03:10 PM
MMQB.SI: The Conscience -- More Than Wins and Losses (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/08/mike-munchak-firing/)

In a world where coaching carousel news comes and goes as nothing more than mere fodder for the masses, Mike Munchak's firing was a stark reminder that the people on the sidelines are, you know, people too

Mike Munchakís name made the scrawl the other day, but somehow that didnít quite capture the whole story behind his departure from the Tennessee Titans organization after 31 years. The club dutifully thanked him for his many years of service, and to that Iíd like to add a simple thanks for the reminder.

The firings and hirings of coaches just keep coming in mind-numbing repetition at this time every year, scrawling along the bottom of our TV screens and re-making the composition of the headset crowd that will assume command of the sidelines later this year. But Munchakís exit from Tennessee after three seasons as the Titansí head coach was that rare instance when we get to pause and see people, not just moves, forcing us to realize those non-stop comings and goings are more than just transactions to be reported, digested and analyzed for impact.

Those all-important wins and losses that we live and die with every week in the NFL, the ones decided so often on a razorís edge, they really do affect a lot of lives, a lot of families and friends and some relationships that were years and years in the making. Munchak moving on from the Titans on the surface looked like the familiar tale of not enough wins and some contract terms to be paid off.

But the way he left Tennessee made it far more real than that to the rest of us, and we owe him one for that...

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 06:44 PM
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Mike Munchak still deciding between offers from Texans and Steelers; would be pretty surprised if he did not end up with the black and gold

texan279
01-22-2014, 08:23 PM
Hearing on Facebook that Munchak has signed with Steelers...

Playoffs
01-22-2014, 09:17 PM
Hearing on Facebook that Munchak has signed with Steelers...

He'll get a HC gig next year, imo.

Texan_Bill
01-22-2014, 09:58 PM
Meh..... Munchak the player is very special to Houstonians.

Munchak the coach...... whatever.

Hervoyel
01-22-2014, 10:12 PM
Meh..... Munchak the player is very special to Houstonians.

Munchak the coach...... whatever.


This. Personally I don't think he was nearly as fond of Houston as Houston was of him.

Fred
01-22-2014, 10:22 PM
Meh..... Munchak the player is very special to Houstonians.

Munchak the coach...... whatever.

Agreed. I have no idea how he is as a OL coach - but not impressed as a head coach. People seem to think a great player must be a great coach. Meh. I'll take Bill Russell and Magic Johnson as players. As coaches I'll take (the somewhat less impressive players) Pat Riley and Phil Jackson.