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Texn4life
01-25-2014, 12:17 PM
There are a couple of things I'm intrigued about with Crennel. He got the best out of 3 defensive players while he was in Kansas City and I'm wondering if he'll do the same with some of the players here. Berry, Hali, and Derrick Johnson all really started to develop while he was there.

Although Swearinger doesn't have quite the physical talent as Berry they are pretty similar players so I'm curious if he can take DJ to that next level. I wish there were some better second round options at QB so we could just go with Clowney at #1 and find a QB at the top of the 2nd round.

Number19
01-25-2014, 12:42 PM
I'm becoming intrigued with Anthony Barr as our first pick. And then, deeper into the draft, for DE, a player like Ed Stinson, or Taylor Hart or Josh Mauro, all of whom have adequate speed to go with good size and effort, may be an ideal fit for Crennel's 2-gap scheme.

Of course, I'm sticking with my preference to trade out of the 1-1 draft slot.

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 12:51 PM
I'm becoming intrigued with Anthony Barr as our first pick.

I'm more intrigued by Kyle Van Noy. The guy is a playmaker. Barr may have all the measureables, but Van Noy always produces. The guy lives around the ball. I think he would be a perfect OLB in Crennel's defense.

Texn4life
01-25-2014, 01:05 PM
I'm more intrigued by Kyle Van Noy. The guy is a playmaker. Barr may have all the measureables, but Van Noy always produces. The guy lives around the ball. I think he would be a perfect OLB in Crennel's defense.

Van Noy should be around as well when we draft in the 2nd.

dalemurphy
01-25-2014, 01:23 PM
Van Noy should be around as well when we draft in the 2nd.

That's nuts! I would take him in the middle of the first round, easily. If he was sitting there in the 20s, I would be hoping the Texans would trade up and grab him instead of risking it.

Texn4life
01-25-2014, 02:35 PM
That's nuts! I would take him in the middle of the first round, easily. If he was sitting there in the 20s, I would be hoping the Texans would trade up and grab him instead of risking it.

I think so too, but from what I've seen he's a late 1st to a mid 2nd round pick. I just have a feeling he'll be there at 33.

Number19
01-25-2014, 02:59 PM
I'm more intrigued by Kyle Van Noy. The guy is a playmaker. Barr may have all the measureables, but Van Noy always produces. The guy lives around the ball. I think he would be a perfect OLB in Crennel's defense.I like Van Noy as well; also Shayne Skov. Trading out of the 1-1 pick, I'd like to pick up two LB's in rounds 1 and 2 as well as a DE like Stinson. Depending on how the trading goes, a NT no later than the 3rd round; someone like Daniel McCullers or Ryan Carrethers or Deandre Coleman.

As can be seen, my draft would lean heavily defense. But I'd take an offensive lineman either in round 2 or 3. That's five picks in rounds 1 through 3. Trading out of 1-1 we should have at least one additional pick which would be a QB.

With the high number of under-classmen entering the draft, we should be able to address most of our team needs with a quality draft. I'd also hope for an additional #1 pick in the 2015 draft, to be used, with our own #1, to address the QB position if the need was still there.

badboy
01-25-2014, 03:34 PM
Unlike previous regimes I fully expect BO'B to hit on at least 4 picks in this yrs draft, probably 5 after seeing the depth of the draft and the advantage of drafting 4-1/5-1. It would help if BoB let Rick pick talented but troubled players in rds 5-7.A reason I am hoping for some trade downs due to many players I like in third round/

WolverineFan
01-25-2014, 05:51 PM
Van Noy should be around as well when we draft in the 2nd.

I don't think so. When it's all said and done, I expect him to be gone in the top 25 picks. Would love for him to be there at #33 though.

Texn4life
01-25-2014, 05:56 PM
I don't think so. When it's all said and done, I expect him to be gone in the top 25 picks. Would love for him to be there at #33 though.

I don't agree, but I guess we'll see.

Number19
01-25-2014, 06:06 PM
I don't think so. When it's all said and done, I expect him to be gone in the top 25 picks. Would love for him to be there at #33 though.By at least one count, the top twenty-five players will have 15 jrs; and 19 out of the top 32. This pushes a lot of players into the second round you might otherwise expect to go in the first. And out of the top 100, as many as 50 may be jrs.

CloakNNNdagger
01-26-2014, 02:40 PM
If thats the case, (god I hope it is) we have a lot of work to do his offseason.

As far as the feeling that a fat boy in the middle is not important.............look at what happened to the Pats after they lost Wilfork.........and look what happened to the Pats when Denver's 330 pounder consistently steamrolled his way up the middle to mess up Brady big time.

Playoffs
01-27-2014, 12:42 PM
Likeable Crennel connects with his players (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/likeable-crennel-connects-his-players)

But Crennel wasn’t a pushover. Far from it.

While he was kind and gentle, he was demanding too. He didn’t yell often but when he did, his players listened. There was always accountability on his New England defenses.

“He is a great guy and he is mild mannered, but when he needs to put his foot down, he can,” said longtime Patriot and NFL Network analyst Willie McGinest. “He’s an open book; you can talk to him. He’s very approachable. He’s has that mild mannered side but he can get after your a$$ if he needs to.”

But with those teams of the early 2000s, Crennel didn’t have to yell or scream too much. See, those Patriots won Super Bowls in three of the four seasons when Crennel was the defensive coordinator. But, of course, there were some moments.

“It was almost shocking when he did go off,” Klecko said. “But every once in a while…”

Crennel is honest. He’s straightforward. He doesn’t mince his words. His former players appreciated that.

“He’s a fair guy. He’s very fair,” Johnson said. “We always appreciated that about Rac. He would tell you how that is. He would never bullisht you. You appreciate that, when your boss doesn’t beat around the bush.”

...Falcons went up seven early but some of the veteran leaders on the Patriots saw a chance for the defense to get more aggressive. They told Crennel. And he listened.

The Patriots’ defense finished the game with nine sacks and New England beat Atlanta 24-10. The Patriots lost just one more game that season, two weeks later to the Rams by a touchdown. Then they ran the table – nine straight wins – and got revenge on St. Louis in the Super Bowl.

And it all started because Crennel listened to his players and changed his defensive strategy.
“He’s very much the coach; we were subordinates,” Johnson stressed. “It was a trust that was gained just through being together for so long. A lot of people say he is set in his ways… He’ll adapt. He’s not going to try to fit a square peg in a round hole.”

...Crennel was a part of the Patriots’ teams that didn’t care what system they were supposed to run. They ran what they thought was going to work that week. If that meant changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in a week, they’d do it. If that meant moving a player to a different position, they’d do it.

“We game-planned according to the teams that we played against and what was most effective and finding their weak points,” McGinest said. “We would do whatever we needed to do that’s going to give their offense trouble. That’s the good thing about Romeo. It’s a week-to-week game plan. He just doesn’t throw a skeleton defense on the field. He changes things each week to give his guys favorable matchups.”

What really has some Texans fans worried is the role All-Pro defensive end J.J. Watt will have in Crennel’s defense

...[Joe] Klecko said Crennel will definitely put Watt in situations where he can get a chance to work one-on-one. And for a defensive end of Watt’s caliber, it doesn’t get much better than that.

“Those guys are going to love Romeo,” McGinest said. “He likes to move guys around. It’s going to be fun. I’m excited to see the turnaround. He walked into a gold mine. He walked into a lot of talent. I can’t wait to see what he does.”

drs23
01-27-2014, 12:44 PM
I'm digging this Romeo Crennel hire more and more. I was never against it but I did have a few slight reservations. After reading this, I'm ready to run through a few brick walls for him.

“He is a great guy and he is mild mannered, but when he needs to put his foot down, he can,” said longtime Patriot and NFL Network analyst Willie McGinest. “He’s an open book; you can talk to him. He’s very approachable. He’s has that mild mannered side but he can get after your a** if he needs to.”

The rest of the story... (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/likeable-crennel-connects-his-players)

thunderkyss
01-27-2014, 01:21 PM
I'm digging this Romeo Crennel hire more and more. I was never against it but I did have a few slight reservations. After reading this, I'm ready to run through a few brick walls for him.


We've had some pretty good DCs if you think about it. Vic Fangio, Wade Phillips, RAC.... not a bad group at all really.

_King_
01-27-2014, 01:32 PM
Love reading that about crennel and basicall obrien too.

One of my main issues with the previous staff was their slow reactions, poor feel
For in game and long term adjustments and they wouldn't mix things up to use their players to the best of their advantage.

I feel like those days are gone.

I feel like if McCain and Harris were our reserve corners they'd use McCain against smaller speedier guys that he matched up better with and Harris against bigger more physical guys. Just as an example. You wouldn't have the SOS every week with McCain getting bossed up by big guys in the slot and Harris getting PI trying to hold fast shifty guys running deep routes.

I feel like we'll mix up our coverages. Zone, man, zone-man. Moving guys like watt and Cushing around. Mixing in some exotic packages on occasion.

I think offense will be similar. Using guys that are good at certain things to take advantage of defenses.

I don't know what the results will be, but I feel muuuuuuch better with this staff.

CloakNNNdagger
01-27-2014, 02:22 PM
Likeable Crennel connects with his players (http://www.csnhouston.com/football-houston-texans/talk/likeable-crennel-connects-his-players)

Great find! This goes along with all of the other info I've been hearing from both coaches and players.

badboy
01-27-2014, 02:51 PM
Love reading that about crennel and basicall obrien too.

One of my main issues with the previous staff was their slow reactions, poor feel
For in game and long term adjustments and they wouldn't mix things up to use their players to the best of their advantage.

I feel like those days are gone.

I feel like if McCain and Harris were our reserve corners they'd use McCain against smaller speedier guys that he matched up better with and Harris against bigger more physical guys. Just as an example. You wouldn't have the SOS every week with McCain getting bossed up by big guys in the slot and Harris getting PI trying to hold fast shifty guys running deep routes.

I feel like we'll mix up our coverages. Zone, man, zone-man. Moving guys like watt and Cushing around. Mixing in some exotic packages on occasion.

I think offense will be similar. Using guys that are good at certain things to take advantage of defenses.

I don't know what the results will be, but I feel muuuuuuch better with this staff.I agree on bolded. I am hoping to see our bench develop into better players. that an any improvement on special teams would be great.

drs23
01-27-2014, 04:11 PM
Great find! This goes along with all of the other info I've been hearing from both coaches and players.

DOH! :homer: I missed it already being posted. That Playoffs is quick on the keyboard I tell ya!

thunderkyss
01-27-2014, 05:25 PM
I agree on bolded. I am hoping to see our bench develop into better players. that an any improvement on special teams would be great.

I've often wondered why our "reserves" never seem to "step up" the way other players would for their team.

I mean Jacoby was balling in last season's play-offs. Shane Vareen whupped our butts, remember? Y'all remember David Tyree?

But then you know Kubiak had somewhat of a caste system going on at Reliant. I love Arian, but at times Ben was the hot hand... he'd still get benched & Arian would set records for most carries in a game/season.

Jacoby was the difference, took tops off defenses, big play maker.. but Walter was #2. McCain sucked, Harris can't get on the field. Wade Smith sucked, Derek Newton sucked, but they rotated with players who were playing better & they started.

No doubt there was a time when that was exactly what this team needed, but we're past that. I hope we're past that. These guys need to know their competing for that spot each & every snap.

Playoffs
01-27-2014, 06:14 PM
DOH! :homer: I missed it already being posted. That Playoffs is quick on the keyboard I tell ya!

Sorry. Sometimes I get into whack-a-mole (http://garimeacham.com/wp-content/uploads/whack-a-mole_3697068_GIFSoup.com_.gif) mode posting relevant info. http://www.en.kolobok.us/content_images/emotes/big_kolobok/pardon.gif

thunderkyss
01-27-2014, 06:16 PM
I agree on bolded. I am hoping to see our bench develop into better players. that an any improvement on special teams would be great.

I've often wondered why our "reserves" never seem to "step up" the way other players would for their team.

I mean Jacoby was balling in last season's play-offs. Shane Vareen whupped our butts, remember? Y'all remember David Tyree?

But then you know Kubiak had somewhat of a caste system going on at Reliant. I love Arian, but at times Ben was the hot hand... he'd still get benched & Arian would set records for most carries in a game/season.

Jacoby was the difference, took tops off defenses, big play maker.. but Walter was #2. McCain sucked, Harris can't get on the field. Wade Smith sucked, Derek Newton sucked, but they rotated with players who were playing better & they started.

No doubt there was a time when that was exactly what this team needed, but we're past that. I hope we're past that. These guys need to know their competing for that spot each & every snap.

drs23
01-27-2014, 06:30 PM
Sorry. Sometimes I get into whack-a-mole (http://garimeacham.com/wp-content/uploads/whack-a-mole_3697068_GIFSoup.com_.gif) mode posting relevant info. http://www.en.kolobok.us/content_images/emotes/big_kolobok/pardon.gif

It's all good. :handshake:

CloakNNNdagger
01-27-2014, 06:32 PM
I've often wondered why our "reserves" never seem to "step up" the way other players would for their team.

I mean Jacoby was balling in last season's play-offs. Shane Vareen whupped our butts, remember? Y'all remember David Tyree?

But then you know Kubiak had somewhat of a caste system going on at Reliant. I love Arian, but at times Ben was the hot hand... he'd still get benched & Arian would set records for most carries in a game/season.

Jacoby was the difference, took tops off defenses, big play maker.. but Walter was #2. McCain sucked, Harris can't get on the field. Wade Smith sucked, Derek Newton sucked, but they rotated with players who were playing better & they started.

No doubt there was a time when that was exactly what this team needed, but we're past that. I hope we're past that. These guys need to know their competing for that spot each & every snap.

MSR. That, I believe, is the major point to take away from your post. Even though we were certainly not the worse team around, I know of no other team where players were not doing exactly that............competing for that spot each and every snap.

ObsiWan
01-30-2014, 03:08 PM
No doubt there was a time when that was exactly what this team needed, but we're past that. I hope we're past that. These guys need to know their competing for that spot each & every snap.

That's the mindset Pete Carroll has established in Seattle.
The players seem to eat it up. Youngsters know if the starters get complacent, they have a legit shot to take a guy's job. The starters know that too and play with urgency.

I'd love to see that mindset take root here.

kiwitexansfan
02-03-2014, 03:27 PM
FWIW, was on a Pats message board, and there is some chatter about Wilfork being a potential cap casualty.....

CloakNNNdagger
02-03-2014, 09:11 PM
FWIW, was on a Pats message board, and there is some chatter about Wilfork being a potential cap casualty.....
The Pats would save $8 million. They could restructure. But Wilfork may remember how the Pats treated him just before he received his last contract. Then, if you are implying Crennel/OB may go after him...........he won't come cheap. But both the Pats (and possibly the Texans) have to take into consideration his age AND the fact that a 325 pounder is frelshly coming off of an Achilles rupture.

Vance87
02-04-2014, 02:12 PM
The Pats would save $8 million. They could restructure. But Wilfork may remember how the Pats treated him just before he received his last contract. Then, if you are implying Crennel/OB may go after him...........he won't come cheap. But both the Pats (and possibly the Texans) have to take into consideration his age AND the fact that a 325 pounder is frelshly coming off of an Achilles rupture.

Now that you tell me he's coming off an injury, I think the Texans are more likely to sign him. :kitten:

thunderkyss
02-04-2014, 03:58 PM
Now that you tell me he's coming off an injury, I think the Texans are more likely to sign him. :kitten:

MSR

PHILLYTEXANFAN
02-06-2014, 11:19 AM
Can someone post Crennels draft history , as a HC, and as a DC


Your man... Pots and pans

Playoffs
02-06-2014, 04:18 PM
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Quick II Draw
02-06-2014, 09:08 PM
Can someone post Crennels draft history , as a HC, and as a DC


Your man... Pots and pans

Highlights as Browns' HC:


Kamerion Wimbley (2006 1.13)
D'Qwell Jackson (2006 2.34)
Joe Thomas (2007 1.1)
Eric Wright (2007 2.53)
Ahytba Rubin (2008 6.190)

The Pencil Neck
02-06-2014, 10:03 PM
Can someone post Crennels draft history , as a HC, and as a DC


Your man... Pots and pans

OK. Here we go. The full list:


2000 1 DE Courtney Brown 6 61 4 year starter
2000 95 DB Lewis Sanders 8 97 nonstarter
2000 130 DB Anthony Malbrough 1 9 nonstarter
2000 146 DB Lamar Chapman 2 8 nonstarter
2000 209 DE Eric Chandler 0 0 nonstarter
2001 6 DE Richard Seymour 12 164 10 year starter, 7 pro bowls, 3 all pro
2001 86 DB Brock Williams 2 12 nonstarter
2001 163 LB Hakim Akbar 2 10 nonstarter
2001 200 DB Leonard Myers 3 17 nonstarter
2001 239 LB T.J. Tuner 1 2 nonstarter
2002 126 DE Jarvis Green 8 121 2 year starter
2003 13 DE Ty Warren 10 107 6 year starter
2003 36 DB Eugene Wilson 8 96 6 year starter
2003 117 DT Dan Klecko 6 63 nonstarter
2003 120 DB Asante Samuel 11 157 9 year starter, 4 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2003 239 LB Tully Banta-Cain 8 113 2 year starter
2003 243 DT Ethan Kelley 4 36 1 year starter
2004 21 NT Vince Wilfork 10 142 9 year starter, 5 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2004 63 DE Marquise Hill 3 13 nonstarter
2004 95 DB Guss Scott 2 11 nonstarter
2004 113 DB Dexter Reid 3 39 nonstarter
2004 233 DB Christian Morton 3 14 nonstarter
2005 34 DB Brodney Pool 7 200 4 year starter
2005 103 DB Antonio Perkins 2 6 nonstarter
2005 139 DE David McMillan 3 0 nonstarter
2005 176 LB Nick Speegle 2 0 nonstarter
2006 13 DE Kamerion Wimbley 8 126 7 year starter
2006 34 LB D'Qwell Jackson 7 97 6 year starter
2006 110 LB Leon Williams 5 61 nonstarter
2006 152 DB Demario Minter 0 0 nonstarter
2006 181 DT Babatunde Oshinowo 2 2 nonstarter
2007 53 DB Eric Wright 7 92 5 year starter
2007 140 DB Brandon McDonald 6 80 2 year starter
2007 200 DE Melila Purcell 0 0 nonstarter
2007 213 DE Chase Pittman 0 0 nonstarter
2008 104 LB Beau Bell 1 4 nonstarter
2008 190 DT Ahtyba Rubin 6 86 5 year starter
2008 231 LB Alex Hall 3 32 nonstarter
2010 5 DB Eric Berry 4 48 3 year starter, 3 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2010 50 DB Javier Arenas 4 63 nonstarter
2010 136 DB Kendrick Lewis 4 53 4 year starter
2010 142 DE Cameron Sheffield 2 17 nonstarter
2011 70 LB Justin Houston 3 43 3 year starter, 2 pro bowls
2011 86 DL Allen Bailey 3 41 nonstarter
2011 118 DB Jalil Brown 3 36 nonstarter
2011 140 OLB Gabe Miller 3 0 nonstarter
2011 199 DL Jerrell Powe 3 11 nonstarter
2012 11 DT Dontari Poe 2 31 2 year starter, 1 pro bowl
2012 146 CB DeQuan Menzie 1 0 nonstarter
2012 218 DT Jerome Long 2 3 nonstarter



There's a big mixture there. Lots of misses like anyone over this period.

But some good hits, too.

The Highlights are:

1. Richard Seymour with 7 pro bowls.
2. Asante Samuel with 4 pro bowls
3. Vince Wilfork with 5 pro bowls
4. Eric Berry with 3 pro bowls
5. Justin Houston with 2 pro bowls
6. Dontari Poe with 1 pro bowl

I think he wants him a big guy in the middle.

_King_
02-06-2014, 11:39 PM
OK. Here we go. The full list:


2000 1 DE Courtney Brown 6 61 4 year starter
2000 95 DB Lewis Sanders 8 97 nonstarter
2000 130 DB Anthony Malbrough 1 9 nonstarter
2000 146 DB Lamar Chapman 2 8 nonstarter
2000 209 DE Eric Chandler 0 0 nonstarter
2001 6 DE Richard Seymour 12 164 10 year starter, 7 pro bowls, 3 all pro
2001 86 DB Brock Williams 2 12 nonstarter
2001 163 LB Hakim Akbar 2 10 nonstarter
2001 200 DB Leonard Myers 3 17 nonstarter
2001 239 LB T.J. Tuner 1 2 nonstarter
2002 126 DE Jarvis Green 8 121 2 year starter
2003 13 DE Ty Warren 10 107 6 year starter
2003 36 DB Eugene Wilson 8 96 6 year starter
2003 117 DT Dan Klecko 6 63 nonstarter
2003 120 DB Asante Samuel 11 157 9 year starter, 4 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2003 239 LB Tully Banta-Cain 8 113 2 year starter
2003 243 DT Ethan Kelley 4 36 1 year starter
2004 21 NT Vince Wilfork 10 142 9 year starter, 5 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2004 63 DE Marquise Hill 3 13 nonstarter
2004 95 DB Guss Scott 2 11 nonstarter
2004 113 DB Dexter Reid 3 39 nonstarter
2004 233 DB Christian Morton 3 14 nonstarter
2005 34 DB Brodney Pool 7 200 4 year starter
2005 103 DB Antonio Perkins 2 6 nonstarter
2005 139 DE David McMillan 3 0 nonstarter
2005 176 LB Nick Speegle 2 0 nonstarter
2006 13 DE Kamerion Wimbley 8 126 7 year starter
2006 34 LB D'Qwell Jackson 7 97 6 year starter
2006 110 LB Leon Williams 5 61 nonstarter
2006 152 DB Demario Minter 0 0 nonstarter
2006 181 DT Babatunde Oshinowo 2 2 nonstarter
2007 53 DB Eric Wright 7 92 5 year starter
2007 140 DB Brandon McDonald 6 80 2 year starter
2007 200 DE Melila Purcell 0 0 nonstarter
2007 213 DE Chase Pittman 0 0 nonstarter
2008 104 LB Beau Bell 1 4 nonstarter
2008 190 DT Ahtyba Rubin 6 86 5 year starter
2008 231 LB Alex Hall 3 32 nonstarter
2010 5 DB Eric Berry 4 48 3 year starter, 3 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2010 50 DB Javier Arenas 4 63 nonstarter
2010 136 DB Kendrick Lewis 4 53 4 year starter
2010 142 DE Cameron Sheffield 2 17 nonstarter
2011 70 LB Justin Houston 3 43 3 year starter, 2 pro bowls
2011 86 DL Allen Bailey 3 41 nonstarter
2011 118 DB Jalil Brown 3 36 nonstarter
2011 140 OLB Gabe Miller 3 0 nonstarter
2011 199 DL Jerrell Powe 3 11 nonstarter
2012 11 DT Dontari Poe 2 31 2 year starter, 1 pro bowl
2012 146 CB DeQuan Menzie 1 0 nonstarter
2012 218 DT Jerome Long 2 3 nonstarter



There's a big mixture there. Lots of misses like anyone over this period.

But some good hits, too.

The Highlights are:

1. Richard Seymour with 7 pro bowls.
2. Asante Samuel with 4 pro bowls
3. Vince Wilfork with 5 pro bowls
4. Eric Berry with 3 pro bowls
5. Justin Houston with 2 pro bowls
6. Dontari Poe with 1 pro bowl

I think he wants him a big guy in the middle.

Would love to somehow get nix.

If bridgewater and nix are our first two picks id be happy as a pig in mud.

The Pencil Neck
02-08-2014, 06:01 PM
OK. Here we go. The full list:


2000 1 DE Courtney Brown 6 61 4 year starter
2000 95 DB Lewis Sanders 8 97 nonstarter
2000 130 DB Anthony Malbrough 1 9 nonstarter
2000 146 DB Lamar Chapman 2 8 nonstarter
2000 209 DE Eric Chandler 0 0 nonstarter
2001 6 DE Richard Seymour 12 164 10 year starter, 7 pro bowls, 3 all pro
2001 86 DB Brock Williams 2 12 nonstarter
2001 163 LB Hakim Akbar 2 10 nonstarter
2001 200 DB Leonard Myers 3 17 nonstarter
2001 239 LB T.J. Tuner 1 2 nonstarter
2002 126 DE Jarvis Green 8 121 2 year starter
2003 13 DE Ty Warren 10 107 6 year starter
2003 36 DB Eugene Wilson 8 96 6 year starter
2003 117 DT Dan Klecko 6 63 nonstarter
2003 120 DB Asante Samuel 11 157 9 year starter, 4 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2003 239 LB Tully Banta-Cain 8 113 2 year starter
2003 243 DT Ethan Kelley 4 36 1 year starter
2004 21 NT Vince Wilfork 10 142 9 year starter, 5 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2004 63 DE Marquise Hill 3 13 nonstarter
2004 95 DB Guss Scott 2 11 nonstarter
2004 113 DB Dexter Reid 3 39 nonstarter
2004 233 DB Christian Morton 3 14 nonstarter
2005 34 DB Brodney Pool 7 200 4 year starter
2005 103 DB Antonio Perkins 2 6 nonstarter
2005 139 DE David McMillan 3 0 nonstarter
2005 176 LB Nick Speegle 2 0 nonstarter
2006 13 DE Kamerion Wimbley 8 126 7 year starter
2006 34 LB D'Qwell Jackson 7 97 6 year starter
2006 110 LB Leon Williams 5 61 nonstarter
2006 152 DB Demario Minter 0 0 nonstarter
2006 181 DT Babatunde Oshinowo 2 2 nonstarter
2007 53 DB Eric Wright 7 92 5 year starter
2007 140 DB Brandon McDonald 6 80 2 year starter
2007 200 DE Melila Purcell 0 0 nonstarter
2007 213 DE Chase Pittman 0 0 nonstarter
2008 104 LB Beau Bell 1 4 nonstarter
2008 190 DT Ahtyba Rubin 6 86 5 year starter
2008 231 LB Alex Hall 3 32 nonstarter
2010 5 DB Eric Berry 4 48 3 year starter, 3 pro bowls, 1 all pro
2010 50 DB Javier Arenas 4 63 nonstarter
2010 136 DB Kendrick Lewis 4 53 4 year starter
2010 142 DE Cameron Sheffield 2 17 nonstarter
2011 70 LB Justin Houston 3 43 3 year starter, 2 pro bowls
2011 86 DL Allen Bailey 3 41 nonstarter
2011 118 DB Jalil Brown 3 36 nonstarter
2011 140 OLB Gabe Miller 3 0 nonstarter
2011 199 DL Jerrell Powe 3 11 nonstarter
2012 11 DT Dontari Poe 2 31 2 year starter, 1 pro bowl
2012 146 CB DeQuan Menzie 1 0 nonstarter
2012 218 DT Jerome Long 2 3 nonstarter



There's a big mixture there. Lots of misses like anyone over this period.

But some good hits, too.

The Highlights are:

1. Richard Seymour with 7 pro bowls.
2. Asante Samuel with 4 pro bowls
3. Vince Wilfork with 5 pro bowls
4. Eric Berry with 3 pro bowls
5. Justin Houston with 2 pro bowls
6. Dontari Poe with 1 pro bowl

I think he wants him a big guy in the middle.

Oops. I just realized I didn't write down what the different fields were:

1. Year
2. Selection/Pick Number
3. Position
4. Name
5. Years in the league
6. Games appeared in
7. Basically how they did, whether they ever started a significant part of a year, pro bowls, etc.

Lucky
02-09-2014, 09:46 AM
Can someone post Crennels draft history , as a HC, and as a DC
OK, but how do we know how much credit/blame to give Crennel for these picks?

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2014, 08:14 PM
OK, but how do we know how much credit/blame to give Crennel for these picks?

Yep.

All the probowlers were Crennel, all the scrubs were the GM.

It is the Texans way.

Marshall
02-09-2014, 08:19 PM
Yep.

All the probowlers were Crennel, all the scrubs were the GM.

It is the Texans way.
...until next year...when the reverse is true...

Playoffs
02-09-2014, 10:38 PM
OK, but how do we know how much credit/blame to give Crennel for these picks?

Pioli made all the KC selections. Top down GM. Paranoid to a fault, be he drafted some talent that's showing for that team.

Playoffs
02-10-2014, 11:35 AM
WHAT ABOUT WATT? (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/07/greg-bedard-weekend-notes-dennis-hickey-miami-dolphins/)

David E. Klutho/SI/The MMQBJ.J. Watt (David E. Klutho/SI/The MMQB)
One of the more interesting dynamics to watch this offseason will be what the Texans do with superlative defensive end J.J. Watt, and it could go a long way toward determining whether they will take Jadeveon Clowney with the first pick of the draft.

Watt became the league’s most dominating defensive lineman because he was given so much freedom by former coordinator Wade Phillips, who ran a one-gap, 3-4 defense. Romeo Crennel, the Texans’ new coordinator under new head coach Bill O’Brien, has always run a two-gap, 3-4 defense going back to his days with the Patriots. It’s all he’s ever run, but Crennel has said in his limited media appearances that he will install a multiple defense.

The big difference between Phillips and Crennel is that the latter has always played with a nosetackle and two big ends who played both gaps, to their left and right. Those duties aren’t glamorous; there’s a lot of grunt work involved in holding the man in front of them and then moving toward the direction of the ball.

There’s no question that Watt, at 6-5 and 290 pounds, can play as a two-gap end. He has tremendous length and strength. But it would seem wasteful to force Watt to become a two-gap player. It would limit the every-down impact that he enjoys right now. Of course, this is only regarding base defense. In sub packages, which can account for nearly 60% of a defense’s snaps over a season, Watt could still play as he always has.

There are three options for what the Texans can do with Watt:

1) Nothing. Leave him as the five technique (over a tackle) in the new 3-4: That’s what former Patriots linebacker Matt Chatham thinks his former defensive coordinator will do with Watt. “[Crennel] isn’t beholden to any particular scheme, although he’ll probably come in with 3-4 as his starting point,” Chatham said. Doing so would mean the Texans might draft Clowney to play the “elephant” position at outside linebacker (more on this below). In an earlier story I wrote on Clowney, two personnel executives told me that Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells, whom Crennel learned under, would love Clowney as a player. Still, playing Watt at five technique would seem to waste some of his every-down explosiveness.

2) Go to a 4-3. That would allow Watt to do many of the things he excels at and still allow the Texans to draft Clowney and put him at end, which is probably his best position. Chatham said the Patriots always had “tilt”—their 4-3 package—as part of every game plan, and ran it quite often.

3) Put him at outside linebacker. Crennel has never had an end-type with Watt’s athleticism. Richard Seymour was the best, but he was elite because of his strength and power; he didn’t have anywhere near Watt’s agility. When the Patriots’ defense was at its best and winning Super Bowls, Willie McGinest played their “elephant” position (an end/linebacker hybrid) at 6-5 and 270 pounds. Chandler Jones (6-5, 265) plays the same position now for New England when that scheme is employed. As opposed to some 3-4 schemes, the elephant outside linebacker drops into coverage only occasionally. They are mostly on the line. Watt definitely has the skills to play elephant, especially if he loses about 10 pounds.

Elephant could also be Clowney’s position in the Texans’ scheme. Though not impossible, it would be difficult to see the Texans playing both Watt and Clowney in that role at the same time (outside of sub packages). You can have one elephant at outside linebacker, but the other outside linebacker must possess the ability to drop into pass coverage at a higher rate (think Mike Vrabel, who happens to be the Texans’ new outside linebackers coach). That doesn’t seem to fit Clowney.

Chatham doesn’t see Crennel using this option. “You’d take away his pocket-busting and ball disruption by putting him as an end on the line,” Chatham said.

There are a lot of possibilities for the Texans to consider. But one thing seems likely: don’t expect them to divulge any hint of their plans before the draft. If they declare Watt to be an outside linebacker, that would indicate that Clowney isn’t in play for the first overall pick.

leebigeztx
02-12-2014, 08:21 PM
All this chatter about what's best for JJ is non sense. JJ is one of my favs,but this is what's best for the texans defense. If that means 2 gap for gap integrity to allow the lbs to scrape and clean,so be it. After last season crash and burn by the defense,no player should be given special treatment. Ask seymore,warran,and wilfolk would they rather be sack machines or world champions. Since crennell and his top 5 defense walked out the door,the pats haven't won a sb and have lost as many playoff games as they've won.

mussop
02-13-2014, 10:31 AM
All this chatter about what's best for JJ is non sense. JJ is one of my favs,but this is what's best for the texans defense. If that means 2 gap for gap integrity to allow the lbs to scrape and clean,so be it. After last season crash and burn by the defense,no player should be given special treatment. Ask seymore,warran,and wilfolk would they rather be sack machines or world champions. Since crennell and his top 5 defense walked out the door,the pats haven't won a sb and have lost as many playoff games as they've won.

Sorry but you are totally WRONG!!!! Watt is the best DL in the NFL. You don't waste special talent like that. What ever is best for Watt is ultimately best for the defense. You wouldn't ask Adrian Peterson to just block most of the time. You wouldn't ask Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to just handoff most of the time. When you have a player with a special, rare talent you take advantage of it and use him to the best of his ability.

mussop
02-13-2014, 10:40 AM
To add on to my last post, I would defiantly use Watt in the elephant role. The only problem I see is our lack our DL.

thunderkyss
02-13-2014, 10:44 AM
Sorry but you are totally WRONG!!!! Watt is the best DL in the NFL. You don't waste special talent like that...

You sure it's a waste of talent? I mean he won't get all the stats, but he'll be playing an important roll... & he'll be less expensive when contract time comes around.

mussop
02-13-2014, 11:03 AM
You sure it's a waste of talent? I mean he won't get all the stats, but he'll be playing an important roll... & he'll be less expensive when contract time comes around.

Not sure if you're serious.

HOU-TEX
02-13-2014, 11:48 AM
He'd probably be out of our price range, but BJ Raji's set to become a FA. The Pack are talking about going smaller up front, so he's likely to be on the market. He's no Wilfork, but he's pretty darn good

Playoffs
02-13-2014, 11:54 AM
He'd probably be out of our price range, but BJ Raji's set to become a FA. The Pack are talking about going smaller up front, so he's likely to be on the market. He's no Wilfork, but he's pretty darn good
Agree, but Raji turned down $8 million/year.

HOU-TEX
02-13-2014, 01:18 PM
Agree, but Raji turned down $8 million/year.

Yeah, I saw that. Kinda puts him out of our range imo. Unless Crennel really puts that much emphasis on his NTs

bah007
02-13-2014, 01:27 PM
Raji turned down the $8 million because he wants to play in a system where he has more freedom to rush the passer.

Even though his best fit is as a NT in a 34, he is likely to sign as a NT in a 43 so he won't have as many run responsibilities. The irony is that GB is now moving to a system that requires smaller personnel up front, which is exactly the type of situation Raji wants to move to, but GB doesn't appear to have any intention of re-signing him.

I think it would take big money to get him to another 34 team as a NT.

leebigeztx
02-13-2014, 08:48 PM
Sorry but you are totally WRONG!!!! Watt is the best DL in the NFL. You don't waste special talent like that. What ever is best for Watt is ultimately bttest for the defense. You wouldn't ask Adrian Peterson to just block most of the time. You wouldn't ask Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to just handoff most of the time. When you have a player with a special, rare talent you take advantage of it and use him to the best of his ability.

Watt played well last yr,well guess what,the defense sucked. Its not about what,its about what's best for the defense. Gap integrity means a lot in the nfl. If crennell makes the front 3 2 gap and it forces teams into 2 and longs or 3rd and longs,then that's what you do. Romeo isn't 100% 2 gap,its a situational thing. If you're playing minny and its 1st and 10 or 2nd and 7,you 2 gap. When its 3 and more than 5, you slant or get after the passer. Romeo has coached some of the best defenses ever,so I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

Scooter
02-13-2014, 09:37 PM
IMO we have the personnel more fit for a 4-3 base defense. i think watt would be most natural as an end in base packages, having the option of moving inside on passing downs. moving watt inside would allow him a shorter path to the quarterback that he's thrived with, and give a specialist like mercilus more chances to have an impact. brooks reed could play a Sam linebacker better than he has as a rush OLB. we'd need to go hard at 4 positions - DE (unless mercilus figures it out), 2 DT's and Will linebacker. that seems like a lot and it is. however if we stay at 3-4, especially in a 2 gap system we have only watt and cushing who can play, though watt could potentially lose some of his impact.

welsh texan
02-13-2014, 10:20 PM
IMO we have the personnel more fit for a 4-3 base defense. i think watt would be most natural as an end in base packages, having the option of moving inside on passing downs. moving watt inside would allow him a shorter path to the quarterback that he's thrived with, and give a specialist like mercilus more chances to have an impact. brooks reed could play a Sam linebacker better than he has as a rush OLB. we'd need to go hard at 4 positions - DE (unless mercilus figures it out), 2 DT's and Will linebacker. that seems like a lot and it is. however if we stay at 3-4, especially in a 2 gap system we have only watt and cushing who can play, though watt could potentially lose some of his impact.

I agree with the point you are trying to make, but it seems the ship has already sailed.
The top brass don't seem to agree.

Why is that?

I have to deduce that the top brass genuinely believe in mercilus and reed to play well as 3-4 OLBs, that we will find 3-4 de and nt real cheap, and that ilb will also come real cheap.

Lots of assumptions to rely on, let's hope all their plans come to fruition itc.

The Pencil Neck
02-14-2014, 12:10 AM
I agree with the point you are trying to make, but it seems the ship has already sailed.
The top brass don't seem to agree.

Why is that?

I have to deduce that the top brass genuinely believe in mercilus and reed to play well as 3-4 OLBs, that we will find 3-4 de and nt real cheap, and that ilb will also come real cheap.

Lots of assumptions to rely on, let's hope all their plans come to fruition itc.

The people in charge of those decisions have changed and they haven't been in a position to do anything about it, yet.

Let's see what moves they make and realize that it may take more than one offseason before the defense is rebuilt the way Crennel wants it to be.

Scooter
02-14-2014, 12:26 AM
I agree with the point you are trying to make, but it seems the ship has already sailed.
The top brass don't seem to agree.

Why is that?

I have to deduce that the top brass genuinely believe in mercilus and reed to play well as 3-4 OLBs, that we will find 3-4 de and nt real cheap, and that ilb will also come real cheap.

Lots of assumptions to rely on, let's hope all their plans come to fruition itc.

i think it's much simpler than that, considering who the DC is. romeo wasnt brought in because he's the best fit for our players or because of his scheme. he was brought in because he was the biggest name with a patriot bumper sticker. having the same formation as the previous coach might have even been a bonus to the brass. i like crennel as a defensive coordinator, but personnel was a distant afterthought in his hiring.

we'll see what he does once he gets everyone in camp, either way it should be pretty interesting.

infantrycak
02-14-2014, 12:40 AM
i think it's much simpler than that, considering who the DC is. romeo wasnt brought in because he's the best fit for our players or because of his scheme. he was brought in because he was the biggest name with a patriot bumper sticker. having the same formation as the previous coach might have even been a bonus to the brass. i like crennel as a defensive coordinator, but personnel was a distant afterthought in his hiring.

we'll see what he does once he gets everyone in camp, either way it should be pretty interesting.

You know Crennel ran a 4-3 for 3 of his 4 years in New England right?

Scooter
02-14-2014, 03:07 AM
You know Crennel ran a 4-3 for 3 of his 4 years in New England right?

i didnt know that. i assume it was a hybrid of a 4-3 over/under with 5 on or near the line of scrimmage?

HOU-TEX
02-14-2014, 09:18 AM
i didnt know that. i assume it was a hybrid of a 4-3 over/under with 5 on or near the line of scrimmage?

He's run a 3-4, 4-3 and a hybrid. He seems to adjust to what he thinks will work the best with who he's got and who's he going against

CloakNNNdagger
02-14-2014, 10:10 AM
He's run a 3-4, 4-3 and a hybrid. He seems to adjust to what he thinks will work the best with who he's got and who's he going against

Exactly...........and that is why those concerned with how problematic and what a dilemma it would create for him having both Watt and Clowney is just unfounded.

HOU-TEX
02-14-2014, 11:13 AM
Exactly...........and that is why those concerned with how problematic and what a dilemma it would create for him having both Watt and Clowney is just unfounded.

Yup, it's obvious Watt can create havoc from anywhere along the Dline. We've seen him rush from everywhere in the past, including stunts. Clowney's much quicker than McGinnest, Vrabel and Colvin put together.

Personally, I'd love to see this come to fruition

WolverineFan
02-14-2014, 11:19 AM
He'd probably be out of our price range, but BJ Raji's set to become a FA. The Pack are talking about going smaller up front, so he's likely to be on the market. He's no Wilfork, but he's pretty darn good

Raji turned down GB's offer because he doesn't want to play in a 3-4 anymore. He wants to rush the passer.

bah007
02-14-2014, 02:52 PM
IMO we have the personnel more fit for a 4-3 base defense. i think watt would be most natural as an end in base packages, having the option of moving inside on passing downs. moving watt inside would allow him a shorter path to the quarterback that he's thrived with, and give a specialist like mercilus more chances to have an impact. brooks reed could play a Sam linebacker better than he has as a rush OLB. we'd need to go hard at 4 positions - DE (unless mercilus figures it out), 2 DT's and Will linebacker. that seems like a lot and it is. however if we stay at 3-4, especially in a 2 gap system we have only watt and cushing who can play, though watt could potentially lose some of his impact.

I actually agree with this. I tend to think that a base nickel defense is the way to go in today's NFL.

.....SDE - Smith.....DT - Watt.....NT - Mitchell.....WDE - Mercilus

...............SLB - ?.........................MLB - Cushing....................Nickel - ?

CB - Jackson..........SS - Swearinger..........FS - Manning..........CB - Joseph

Number19
02-14-2014, 03:38 PM
WHAT ABOUT WATT? (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/07/greg-bedard-weekend-notes-dennis-hickey-miami-dolphins/)

David E. Klutho/SI/The MMQBJ.J. Watt (David E. Klutho/SI/The MMQB)My mock draft has been defense oriented, but I've been considering Barr at the elephant position (what I called the weakside OLB). I haven't considered Watt in this role - and I like it. I'll have to reconsider my mock to include a second DE to take Watt's current position. I like Stephon Tuitt in this role, but this would be a reach.

Playoffs
02-16-2014, 04:05 AM
Houston Texans: Insights into the Defense of Romeo Crennel (http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1960152-houston-texans-insights-into-the-defense-of-romeo-crennel)
In a conversation with former Patriot and inside linebacker Ted Johnson, the evening host on Sports Radio 610 in Houston, he said this preference even extends to the second level. “Crennel likes an ‘old school’ 3-4: big middle linebackers and big outside linebackers who can jam receivers and drop into pass coverage.”

Johnson, Tedy Bruschi and Mike Vrabel, now the Texans linebackers coach, all were in the 250-pound range.
Would using a 4-3 front better utilize the players Houston already has under contract? Ted Johnson believes that is the case: "The (current) personnel on the Texans doesn’t come close to fitting what Crennel likes to do. I’d put Brooks Reed at middle linebacker and shift him to the strong side. Then put your best cover guy, Brian Cushing, on the open side of the field. Place Whitney Mercilus over the tight end, then sign free agents or draft the players needed to fill in the D-line.”
However, Johnson warned: "Can Mike Vrabel teach these guys to be better outside linebackers? To me, they are what they are. Mike was a great football player, but I don’t know that he’s going to turn them into these great pass-rushers."
Seth Payne, co-host of MaD Radio on Sports Radio 610 and a 10-year NFL veteran at nose tackle, is certain that if the Texans do not get the most out of their best defensive asset, there is only one place else to turn: "If you want a defensive end to anchor in and read and react, you can find players to do it a lot cheaper than what J.J. Watt will get in his next contract. And if you are not used to getting a lot of production of defensive linemen, you have to get it out of your outside linebackers."

ObsiWan
02-16-2014, 04:49 AM
Houston Texans: Insights into the Defense of Romeo Crennel (http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1960152-houston-texans-insights-into-the-defense-of-romeo-crennel)

So RAC is flexible...
A big concern about two-gapping is whether it will negate the playmaking ability of J.J. Watt. Seth Payne, co-host of MaD Radio on Sports Radio 610 and a 10-year NFL veteran at nose tackle, spoke with me about why these details matter: “People care too much about the alignment when talking about the 3-4 vs. the 4-3. But in this case you should. This is an old school 3-4 where you shouldn’t expect a lot of production out of your nose tackle and defensive ends.”
The abundance of “old school” references implies that Rac has not learned any tricks of the trade during his three decades in the game. When his Kansas City Chiefs were facing the New Orleans Saints and their high-octane passing attack in 2012, he threw out the playbook in the first half and went with a “psycho front.”
Employing only two down linemen and three linebackers, he went with a dime package on almost every down.

Good.

And for the record, the only stat Watt should concern himself with are wins.

Grams
02-16-2014, 07:24 AM
So RAC is flexible...


Good.

And for the record, the only stat Watt should concern himself with are wins.

Exactly - wins is the only thing that gets a team to the Super Bowl.

Playoffs
02-16-2014, 04:31 PM
Matt Chatum Gives Insight On Romeo Crennel, Texans Possible Draft Pick (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/07/matt-chatum-gives-insight-on-romeo-crennel-texans-possible-draft-pick/)


Covers a lot of ground in this interview, but it sounds like we won't be going to traditional 3-4 (vs. hybrid) without a 330+ lbs. NT.

Antonio Smith looks like a guy that can play in either scheme.

Crennel has a really good understanding of what's going on in your front seven. Not beholden to one particular philosophy, can go in and out of 4-3 fronts, tilt/stack and whatever.

RAC's persona as much as his Xs & Os what was so valuable.

Less aggressive with blitz packages.

As for Watt's production, more than half the time -- OB said 70% -- we'll be in subpackages.
On Mike Vrabel -- very bright guy, very passionate, knows both sides of a defense

Texian
02-16-2014, 04:39 PM
Actually Raji is one of the worst according to PFF.

and

Antonio Smith was fairly ineffective and disappointing playing in Frank Bush's 4-3. AS is clearly much better as a 3-4 DE.

mussop
02-16-2014, 06:15 PM
Actually Raji is one of the worst according to PFF.

and

Antonio Smith was fairly ineffective and disappointing playing in Frank Bush's 4-3. AS is clearly much better as a 3-4 DE.

Who wasn't "ineffective and disappointing playing in Frank Bush's 4-3"?

mussop
02-16-2014, 06:18 PM
I actually agree with this. I tend to think that a base nickel defense is the way to go in today's NFL.

.....SDE - Smith.....DT - Watt.....NT - Mitchell.....WDE - Mercilus

...............SLB - ?.........................MLB - Cushing....................Nickel - ?

CB - Jackson..........SS - Swearinger..........FS - Manning..........CB - Joseph

God please remove Mitchell from that lineup, please!

thunderkyss
02-16-2014, 07:38 PM
Actually Raji is one of the worst according to PFF.

and

Antonio Smith was fairly ineffective and disappointing playing in Frank Bush's 4-3. AS is clearly much better as a 3-4 DE.

I think Antonio is an undersized UT.... 3-tech, a DT. Not a DE. He was more productive in Wade's 3-4 because Wade used him more like a 4-3 UT.

Just my opinion, but he's more John Randle than Jared Allen.

Texian
02-17-2014, 11:42 AM
I think Antonio is an undersized UT.... 3-tech, a DT. Not a DE. He was more productive in Wade's 3-4 because Wade used him more like a 4-3 UT.

Just my opinion, but he's more John Randle than Jared Allen.

Ninja was just as successful in Arizona's 3-4, that's why Texans signed him as a FA. Unfortunately in Bush's 4-3 he was not nearly as a successful, another failed overpaid FA. Wade and his 3-4 revived Ninja's career.

In AZ and w/ Wade, Ninja's primary responsibility was attack the QB/football. With Bush it was stop the run which is not really Ninja's forte'.

Playoffs
02-17-2014, 08:58 PM
Patriots legend McGinest on the “Elephant” position (http://patspropaganda.com/post/3900331721/patriots-legend-mcginest-on-the-elephant-position)
“You have to be talented, you have to be tough, because you have to be able to take on the linemen and fullbacks and tight ends and play in the trenches vs. the run game,” McGinest said. “So you have to be sturdy and strong enough and tough enough to handle that, but you also have to be agile, and smart enough to be able to read coverages and drop back into coverages and understand different receiver sets and motions and be able to read different formations. It’s not easy.”

That would seem obvious since that the Pats haven’t really found anyone that’s had the same impact as McGinest at the position, save for Mike Vrabel.

But let’s backpedal a bit. At 6-foot-5, 270 pounds, McGinest fit the physical prototype for the elephant, which basically is a linebacker/defensive end hybrid.

“When I came out (of college), I was a ’tweener,” McGinest said. “I was small, as in having the right weight for a defensive end. But I was a big, big linebacker. So you’re kind of an undersized D-end, but a big, big linebacker. Charles Haley (Dallas and San Francisco) was another in that so-called elephant mold where you rush like a D-end, and you also drop into coverage and play linebacker.”

“There’s guys out there who have come out of college and done it in the past, like Shawne Merriman and Mike Vrabel. Vrabel was an example of an end who came off the edge, and then he came to us, and did a lot of different things. It’s just a matter of finding the right guy and having them play the way you want in your system.”

nero THE zero
02-18-2014, 03:49 PM
Patriots legend McGinest on the “Elephant” position (http://patspropaganda.com/post/3900331721/patriots-legend-mcginest-on-the-elephant-position)

Sounds like Michael Sam.

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 08:44 AM
God please remove Mitchell from that lineup, please!

^^^^
This

Also just because Mercilus was a 1st rd draft pick doesn't mean he's any good. He should be a rotational player at best.

steelbtexan
02-20-2014, 08:52 AM
Patriots legend McGinest on the “Elephant” position (http://patspropaganda.com/post/3900331721/patriots-legend-mcginest-on-the-elephant-position)

Sounds like Scott Crichton or Marcus Smith to me.

Does Trent Murphy remind anybody else of Vrabel coming out of college?

leebigeztx
02-20-2014, 12:29 PM
Sounds like Scott Crichton or Marcus Smith to me.

Does Trent Murphy remind anybody else of Vrabel coming out of college?

Kinda sounds like a lot of guys to be honest. Kareem Martin could fit into that equation with his size,arms,and boxing background.

What's funny about vrabel is people forgot he flamed out in pittsburgh.

Playoffs
06-08-2014, 11:40 AM
Stumbled onto this RAC defensive summary*. I noted where he was Head Coach vs. just DC...

Romeo Crennel's Defensive Coordinator Resume (http://mj4sports.blogspot.com/2014/01/romeo-crennels-defensive-coordinator.html)
New Texans head coach Bill O'Brien [hied] Romeo Crennel for his defensive coordinator position. Here are the results of 12 seasons of defense under Crennel's direction. HC = Head Coach

2000 CLE 3-13 record, 27th in points, 26th in yards (3-4), 20th in TO’s forced(42sacks, 13th in NFL)26th in 3rd down defense.

2001 NE 11-5 6th in points 26th in yards (4-3), 8th in TO’s forced(39sacks, 15th)15th in 3rd down defense.

2002 NE 9-7 17th in points, 23rd in yards (4-3), 14th in TO’s forced(33 sacks,20th)26th in 3rd down defense.

2003 NE 14-2 1st in points 7th in yards (4-3), 2nd in TO’s forced(41sacks,6th) 7th in 3rd down defense.

2004 NE 14-2 2nd in points 9th in yards (3-4), 3rd in TO’s forced (45sacks,5th)21st in 3rd down defense.

2005 CLE/HC 6-10 11th in points, 16th in yards (3-4), 25th in TO’s forced(23sacks,32nd)25th in 3rd down defense

2006 CLE/HC 4-12 22nd in points 30th in yards (3-4), 18th in TO’s forced(28 sacks,27th)27th in 3rd down defense

2007 CLE/HC 10-6 21st in points 31st in yards (3-4), 19th in TO’s forced(28sacks,27th)8th in 3rd down defense

2008 CLE/HC 4-12 16th in points 26th in yards (3-4), 3rd in TO’s forced (17 sacks,30th)32nd in 3rd down defense

2010 KC 10-6 11th in points 14th in yards, 23rd in TO’s forced (38sacks,12th)13th in 3rd down defense.

2011 KC/HC 4-12 12th in points 11th in yards, 13th in TO’s forced (29 sacks, 27th)8th in 3rd down defense.

2012 KC/HC 2-14 25th in points 20th in yards, 31st in turnovers forced (27sacks,29th)19th in 3rd down defense.


Summary: Romeo Crennel DC File 12 seasons

3rd Down Defense: Below League Average 7 times(5 in Bottom 10), Above League average 4 times(3 Top 10), League Average once.

Sacks: Above League Average 3 times(2 in Top 10), Below League Average 7 times (6 in Bottom 10), League Average twice.

Turnovers: Above League Average 6 times (4in Top 10), Below League Average 6 times (4 in Bottom 10)

Points Allowed: Above League Average 6 times (3 in Top 10), Below League Average 5 times (3 in bottom 10) 1 Time League Average.

Yards Allowed: 4 times Above League Average (2 Top 10) 7 times Below League Average (6 Bottom 10) 1 League Average.


- Crennel has coached both a 4-3 and 3-4 front in his career though the vast majority of his teams used a 3 man front.

- Crennel's 3-4 is a 2 gap system which partially explains why he has never had a DL go for more than 8 sacks in a given year.
*assuming stats provided are accurate

Playoffs
06-11-2014, 11:40 AM
Romeo Crennel spoke about why he came to Houston, J.J. Watt, and more in this 'Extended Cut' following Tuesday's practice...

video: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/Crennel-Why-he-came-to-Houston/d228e158-3d98-49d7-a35e-aa79d622f4ca

(on the nose tackle position in the 3-4 defense) “To play the 3-4 defense, you have to be good down the middle. That starts with the nose. Hopefully you can get a guy that commands double teams because if he commands double teams, then someone is going to be free. We tell them that you have to command the double team and then beat the double team at the line of scrimmage to get somebody free because if you get double teamed and get knocked five yards back, chances are someone is not going to be free and there is going to be a big hole in the defense. Nose is critical. He has to be able to win one-on-one, force the double team and then not get killed on the double team. Then that allows the linebackers behind him to be good. It allows the free safety down the middle of the field to be good. Therefore, it allows you to be good down the middle. Because of the way we play the technique, generally we’ve had bigger guys to be along that front. Then we try to put the more athletic guys on the edge of the defense to let them make plays there.”

(on what he’s seen from Jadeveon Clowney) “I think he is coming along fine. He is studious. He is studying and he’s trying to learn the system. He is making that transition a little bit, but it doesn’t seem to slow him down or hinder him. He’s still a rookie and I tell everyone, rookies are making rookie mistakes. That is what they do. Until he can get settled and feel confident in all of his assignments, and then he can become reactive, then I think he will show better at that time. Right now his head is spinning just like all of the rookies. Their heads are spinning because we’ve thrown a lot at them. They are working at it and they make their mistakes and learn. They come back the next day, try to improve and don’t make the same mistakes again.”

(on a timetable for Jadeveon Clowney’s development) “There is no real timetable. Everyone learns differently. Everyone goes at a different rate. We’re going to teach him as hard as we can and if he studies as hard as he can, then it will be sooner rather than later. We all know that we are going to play games in the fall, so we would like for him to be ready by then for sure. We’ll just keep working with him and he’s making progress.”

(on Brian Cushing and his missing time while recovering from injury) “He seems to be pretty sharp at picking things up. He’s been in the meetings. He’s got some terminology and he can make some calls and things like that. I don’t think the meetings can replace being on the field and getting it first-hand. Things happen pretty quick out there on the field. You have to be able to get used to the tempo of the field. When you’re not out there, you can’t get used to that tempo. He’s going to pick it up, I can tell already. We’ve got to get him out there so he can see and react already.”

(on returning to the game) “Like I said, when you look at the defense, the organization and you look at the people, I think with myself that I am at the stage in my career where people are important. We all want to win, but if you’ve got good people and you can work with good people, that make the job easier in my mind. I just felt that this situation was a good situation. I felt that the people were good people and that would enjoy working with them. That made it easier for me to come and give it a shot.”

(on position battles at right end and safety) “I feel pretty decent about them. We’ve got competitive guys. One, I’ve got Kendrick Lewis that I had in Kansas City, so I know what he is about. We’ve got Chris Clemmons, who we picked up. He’s a good guy and has good experience. He’s been playing in this league. I kind of value experience a little bit. So those two guys help me at that spot. As far as the line goes, I really didn’t know about the line because we lost guys in free agency. The guys that have been here haven’t played that much. So far, I’m impressed with what I see and I think they are going to be pretty competitive.”

(on what he’s seen from Louis Nix III) “Well, he got himself banged up early and so his knee was an issue. He hasn’t as much of an opportunity. I can tell he is a sharp guy and a guy with wits about him. His head is spinning as well. I think as soon as that knee gets well -he’s a big, strong, physical player and he has played the nose position, and so he knows how to play it- I think that will all bode well for him.”

(on using J.J. Watt in the current defensive system) “I see putting J.J. on the field and letting him make the plays that he’s been making because I have not seen a defense yet that did not use playmakers. If you’ve got a playmaker, you’re going to use the playmaker. J.J. is a playmaker. You’ll find out that you have to be flexible and you have to adapt in the NFL from game to game, week to week and sometimes day to day. We’ll do what we need to do to put the best football players on the field and to play with them.”

(on building the defense starting with the line) “Sure, I still believe that. Like I say, you’ve got to have those big, strong and physical guys on the inside to make the inside of the defense good and then you can put those athletic guys on the edge and let them flash a little bit. They’re not allowed if the guys inside don’t do their jobs. We’ve got to be good on the inside.”

(on what he has seen from D.J. Swearinger) “I like D.J. He’s a competitive guy. I like the fact that he is competitive. I like the fact that he can cover tight ends. Everyone once in a while we’ll throw him on a wide receiver. He covers backs out of the backfield. It looks like he is pretty aggressive and wants to mix it up as far as being in the box sometimes. I think he brings a lot to the able.”

(on whether he sees Brooks Reed as primarily an inside linebacker) “Not totally. We’re giving him a look on the inside. I think what that does is that increases our flexibility that if you can go inside and get it done inside, I know that he can get it done outside because he played outside last year. Now I feel like I can put him at either spot depending on what the needs are. He’s a value to us.”

(on what he’s seen from Whitney Mercilus) “He’s playing at the outside linebacker spot right now. I’m one of those guys that I feel that guys have to earn their position. (Jadeveon) Clowney, I know he is the number one (pick), but he has to earn his spot in my eyes. He is trying to learn and if he learns, then chances are he will get playing time. If he doesn’t learn, then he probably won’t get as much playing time. That is where Mercilus, he’s going to be there and he’s going to play. If it’s Brooks (Reed), Brooks is going to play. I still feel like I can go out there and line up. Now with Clowney and his ability, if he comes along, then Brooks having the ability to go inside just makes us better I believe.”

(on Jadeveon Clowney playing primarily at outside linebacker) “I think at this point that is what we are looking at, a transition of a rush end trying to become a linebacker. Only time will tell if he can make that transition or not. One, he has really good athletic ability. He has size, speed and I think he has deceptive strength. He’s got the tools. Now the thing is the dropping in pass coverage, the route recognition and all of those kind of things that you know, you just don’t learn them overnight. You’ve got to get reps at them.”

(on his previous relationship with Bill O’Brien) “I really didn’t have a relationship with him. I didn’t know him at all. That is why I wanted to sit down and talk to him. After talking to him, I felt that he was a football guy. Football was important to him and winning was important to him. That is where he was going to put his efforts. I think that is what I was looking for, someone where football was important and he is going to give everything he’s got to the team. I felt that I wanted to be a part of it.”

(on how he has changed as a coach from his early years) “I don’t yell and scream as much as I used to. When I was younger, I yelled and screamed more.”

bayoudreamn
06-11-2014, 03:15 PM
If RAC can't register top performance here with what he's got, it says alot. I think he feels good about this team and this opportunity. If he performs here like he did in NE.....it says alot about the talent. His defense seems to require more fit than alot of them. I think Wade's tended to be too simple and in the past the Texans have had coordinators ask too much.....hopefully RAC's defense is just right.

Thorn
06-11-2014, 03:35 PM
Is it just me, or are we mentally back to where we were before the draft with itchy posting fingers? LOL

HOU-TEX
06-11-2014, 03:38 PM
Is it just me, or are we mentally back to where we were before the draft with itchy posting fingers? LOL

Yup. I reckon the next big topic will be next week. If AJ doesn't show up people will really be up in a tizzy.

Playoffs
06-11-2014, 05:40 PM
Is it just me, or are we mentally back to where we were before the draft with itchy posting fingers? LOL

TMI?

Double Barrel
06-11-2014, 06:12 PM
TMI?

ah, man, I think I'll take a couple of weeks off from the forum if AJ doesn't show up.

Playoffs
06-23-2014, 12:50 PM
Crennel charged with upping production (http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/6154/crennel-charged-with-upping-production?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
“I’ve been fortunate in my career and I’m blessed,” Crennel said. “And I appreciate that, but I can give you a dollar and a half with that and buy a cup of coffee. That is just the way this business is. It is what have you done for me lately, and I haven’t done anything lately. I’ve got to work to try and get something done.”
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...The Texans forced only 11 turnovers in 16 games, the lowest number in the NFL. Their turnover margin of minus-20 was 40 net turnovers lower than the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks.

Despite having the best interior lineman in the NFL in J.J. Watt, a man who commands attention in the pass rush, the Texans as a group notched only 32 sacks all season. That ranked 29th in the league.

These numbers are simply not good enough...

Playoffs
08-01-2014, 04:49 PM
Defensive Coordinator Romeo Crennel, 8/01 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Day-6-of-Training-Camp/ecf33f15-ace6-4da4-b77a-a9797b3a1bea)
(on the progress of the defense) “They’re learning a new system. They’re putting in the time. They’re working hard to try to understand it and grasp it and I think that they’re making progress doing that. They’ve got great attitudes and they’ve been working really hard, so if we can keep that up, I think that we’ll make enough progress to be competitive.”

(on his defensive staff coming together) “It’s a good staff. I like the guys on the staff. We can communicate, talk to each other, agree to disagree and then come out on the same page and that’s a good sign about that.”

(on Jadeveon Clowney) “Well you can tell that he has talent but he hasn’t been out here that much. He’s recovering from that little minor surgery he had, so we’re still working with him through that but he’s beginning to be in on more plays and do more things and I think that as soon as we can get him out there more, he will improve more.”

(on Trevardo Williams’ status) “I think he’s been released, from what I understand.”

(on the nose tackle battle) “Well, we’ve got some young guys there, that they are all working to try to understand the system here again and to try to make some things happen. But we still have a ways to go yet and I think that they know that.”

(on if it’s hard to evaluate the defense when its going against an offense that is also learning a new system) “True. Generally, defense comes along a little bit faster than offense. Offense, they have a tendency to do a lot of things, more things than we’re doing. Defense, if you can react and you run and chase the ball and tackle, then you can make plays. Even if you do screw up, you can make a play and you still look halfway decent. Offensively, there’s more precision on that side of the ball, so generally it takes them longer to jell and show up.”

(on Kendrick Lewis) “He understands the system. He knows what we’re looking for and he can help the other players as far as technique goes and as far as my personality goes. It’s beneficial that way.”

(on what the other middle linebackers look like with Brian Cushing out) “I think (Justin) Tuggle has done a good job, (Max) Bullough has done a good job as Mike linebackers and the guys who are calling the signals are in there. (Jeff) Tarpinian and (Mike) Mohamed, both of those guys have done well. I’m encouraged by the group overall and I’m encouraged that they’re going to be able to get some things done in this system.”

(on if Brian Cushing is closer to coming back and being able to play) “He’s working with the trainer and the trainer will let us know. The trainer tells us he’s making progress, so hopefully he’ll be able to get out on the field soon.”

(on how having Brian Cushing back will change the complexion of the defense) “Any time you come back from an injury, you have to see how you do. If he can do ok and do what we expect him to do and what he’s done in the past, I think that will help the defense improve.”

(on Brooks Reed) “I like his versatility. He can play inside. He can play outside. That’s why we worked him inside some in the offseason. Now we’re working him outside. So he provides us that flexibility. Then on game day, when you start counting numbers and things like that, having a guy that can play two positions is a value to you.”

(on Kareem Jackson playing the nickel cornerback position) “Well I think he enjoys that position. I think he likes playing it and I think he’ll do a good job at it because he can cover a little bit. You’ve got to have a guy who can cover there.”

(on if anyone has surprised him on defense with effort and standing out) “There’s great effort by everybody. You cannot help but see J.J. (Watt). He just shows up with his effort and the way he goes about his job and working at it.”

(on players knowing the assignment of the other players around them on defense) “That’s the way this system works. You have to work together in the system and I have to do my job so the guy next to me can do his job. If we all do our job, then the defense looks better.”

(on D.J. Swearinger) “D.J. has good ability. D.J. enjoys playing football. That’s the best thing about D.J. and I think that you’ll see it when game time comes, particularly. We’ve got him playing a couple different positions and he enjoys it and he’s sticking to it and he’ll be a valuable guy for this team.”

(on the nickel cornerback position being potentially tougher than the outside corner positions) “It’s learning. That’s the thing about that position because (D.J. Swearinger) is a safety but being at that nickel position, he comes down. D.J. comes down (and) becomes a linebacker. Just like Kareem (Jackson) is a corner, and then he goes inside and basically he becomes a linebacker. You have double-learning and you’ve got to be sharp enough to pick up on it and get all those keys for all those positions. But those guys are doing very well at it and they’re working at it. We’re encouraged by what we see.”

(on the free safety position) “What we’ve done is we’ve taught the safeties left and right. As we start game planning, then we might make a guy our down safety and a guy a deep safety. But they’re both left and right safeties and both have to learn strong and free.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Day-6-of-Training-Camp/ecf33f15-ace6-4da4-b77a-a9797b3a1bea

barrett
08-20-2014, 03:27 PM
We started to see a bit more disguise in the defensive packages with some drops by the down linemen and blitzing safeties in the week two preseason game versus Atlanta. I'm looking forward to getting more and more film on RC's approach with this group.

Playoffs
09-12-2014, 04:56 PM
Man, I really like RAC's even-keeled sensibilty (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Friday-practice/df211ecc-2222-437f-8549-bbdd78b93b6b)...

(on how the defense has responded with a ‘next-man-up’ mentality with the injury to OLB Jadeveon Clowney (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Friday-practice/df211ecc-2222-437f-8549-bbdd78b93b6b)) “Well, it’s the next man up. But Clowney is a rookie and he had missed some time so it’s not like he was entrenched. So you have to have that mentality because you know injuries are going to happen in the NFL. When the injury occurs, then the next guy has to step up. We preach that to them from Day 1 that they have to be ready to go and when they’re in the game, they’re a starter.”
...
(on how OLB Whitney Mercilus has improved since he first started working with him) “Whitney has always been a studious guy. He has been studying our system and trying to get on board with it. I think he’s made progress in that. But the thing about Whitney, I think he played many plays last year and he was out there all the time. So when he went in last week to play, it was no big deal for him. He did what he had to do to help us win. It will be the same this week. He’s going to do his best and he’ll do what he has to do to help us win.”

(on how the talent on this defense compares to some of the defenses he’s coached on) “Everybody has talent in the NFL. I don’t care where you go, everybody has talent. Everybody might not have the same amount of talent and all the talent might not play the same, but everybody has talent. When you talk about comparing this group with another group, I think it’s early still because we’re new at this and they are new to our system. I think that you have to let them get their feet on the ground in the system and see how it goes before you start making comparisons with other groups.”

(on if this defense has the potential to be greater than any of the other defenses he’s coached) “I don’t know. That’s hard to say. One guy I used to work with said, ‘You have to have some pelts on the wall.’ We don’t have many pelts on the wall. After we start putting some pelts on the wall, then we’ll see how we can compare.”
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(on if specifically tries to do things that the rookie quarterback has not seen before) “That would be helpful.”

(on OLB Brooks Reed and what he did to enable him to make big plays vs. Washington) “I thought Brooks had a really good game as you mentioned. Brooks is another player that played most of the plays on defense last year. He was out there all the time. You saw that he was a good hustle guy. It looked like he was in position where he was supposed to be. He didn’t seem to make as many plays last year for whatever reason, but we didn’t do anything special with him. He has his assignment and he did his assignment at a high level, which allowed him to make some plays. Hopefully that will continue and we’ll still be talking about him next week and the week after that and as we go down the road.”

(on Bill O’Brien talking about Crennel’s ability to mentor young coaches and if that’s something he likes to do) “I think my style is to get involvement from young coaches and let them coach. I think that if they’re going to become good coaches, you have to let the guy coach. We try to let guys be responsible for their areas, have input into the gameplan, input and suggestions on the sideline, then I decide if those suggestions will work or won’t work and how much we’ll do and how much we won’t do. That way, everybody buys in. I think that’s part of the team mentality that we’re fostering around here. It’s a team. Everybody is a part of it. Everybody has a role and everybody’s role is important. When you get guys to buy in to that and they know that they’re entitled within the system, then they put more into it and it means more to them.”

(on if young coaches are ever able to talk him out of a gameplan) “If they have quality points that they can make, yeah they can talk me out of something. They have to have done the research and be able to make the points why this may be better than what I’m thinking.”

(on how his role is different now than it was when he was in New England (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Friday-practice/df211ecc-2222-437f-8549-bbdd78b93b6b)) “It doesn’t. I’m the defensive coordinator. I put the plan together. I call the game on Sunday. That’s what I did in New England.”

Note the emphasis on Reed and Mercilus taking too many snaps in games last year. You see Patriots rotate guys out, make sure they're not too gassed. I think that helps develop the young guys, too.