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TexansFight
01-01-2014, 05:40 PM
Let's start thinking about who is a BO'B type player. First and foremost, I think JJ Watt will absolutely love playing for this guy. I really think hiring BO'B is going to help us re-sign JJ. AJ will love having an intense, offensive mind that takes advantage of matchups to maximiize the remainder of his career. Poor guy suffered under milquetoast coaches in Capers and Kubiak and now finally gets a winner.

Guys that don't fit, Schaub obviously, Wade Smith, Newton and OD. See you later McCain on D. Who else makes the grade with BO'B?

EllisUnit
01-01-2014, 05:49 PM
Let's start thinking about who is a BO'B type player. First and foremost, I think JJ Watt will absolutely love playing for this guy. I really think hiring BO'B is going to help us re-sign JJ. AJ will love having an intense, offensive mind that takes advantage of matchups to maximiize the remainder of his career. Poor guy suffered under milquetoast coaches in Capers and Kubiak and now finally gets a winner.

Guys that don't fit, Schaub obviously, Wade Smith, Newton and OD. See you later McCain on D. Who else makes the grade with BO'B?

I see him keeping Foster

Heres my deal, if he is anything like Bill B than our team will be getting smaller, but faster. I dont see a TE on our roster who fits his style. I do expect we will become a pass first tem though, which i think will help pro long Fosters career.

dalemurphy
01-01-2014, 06:43 PM
I see him keeping Foster

Heres my deal, if he is anything like Bill B than our team will be getting smaller, but faster. I dont see a TE on our roster who fits his style. I do expect we will become a pass first tem though, which i think will help pro long Fosters career.

I'm sure Griffin is a fit- though he may not be someone to feature.

It will be interesting to see what his take on Matt Schaub is. I am sure the organization will move on from Schaub as the "starter", but I think it is at least possible (particularly if the plan is to draft a QB in round one) O'Brien will want Schaub to be the veteran backup/mentor- a role that he would like excel in.
O'Brien's assessment of Schaub will be one of the more interesting things to watch this off-season, I think.

Texn4life
01-01-2014, 06:54 PM
I hope his fire helps with our Corners and he can find someone to fix their technique issues. I'd hate to think JJo is done this soon. Hopefully he'll bring in a DC to match the passion for the game that he has.

Our 3 core Lineman should all respond to him well. Arian will if healthy, AJ, Cushing, and he will probably love Braman and Reed. Hopefully he loves Reed as an inside backer though.

welsh texan
01-01-2014, 07:10 PM
Yo seem to have named players where the consensus is that they've underperformed rather than given any insight into which players are prototypical at their position for what Bill O'Brien is likely to want to do scheme wise.

I think in New England you implement the master plan that the hood lays out for you, and I'm unsure whether his time at PSU can be seen a fair reflection of his ideal world tendencies because the programme was hamstrung by their sanctions to the point where the recruiting must have been more about taking who they could get rather than allowing him to be picky about taking guys to fit his scheme.

I think that will smooth the transition, the dude is obviously good at playing to the strengths of what he has to work with, and I'm pretty sure McNair will have favoured someone who doesn't expect to rip the roster apart and start again.


I think we'll see a scheme built around what we have on the roster, I think he may well feel comfortable to axe a few vets taking big pay checks in order to off us some cap room.

EllisUnit
01-01-2014, 08:48 PM
I'm sure Griffin is a fit- though he may not be someone to feature.

It will be interesting to see what his take on Matt Schaub is. I am sure the organization will move on from Schaub as the "starter", but I think it is at least possible (particularly if the plan is to draft a QB in round one) O'Brien will want Schaub to be the veteran backup/mentor- a role that he would like excel in.
O'Brien's assessment of Schaub will be one of the more interesting things to watch this off-season, I think.

Whew Schaub is way to expensive to keep on the roster as a back up. I dont see that happening !

aussie_texan
01-01-2014, 08:53 PM
will be interesting what he does with the players that are underperfoming: wade smith, OD (more injury and cap related), Jjo, Derek Newton, Sharpton for example.

Also players like Keo who even though are not that good are improving steadily game by game year by year.

Others to look out for are Tim Jamison and Crick.

kingtexan
01-01-2014, 09:03 PM
He is going to probably like the guys who show intensity.

We have a few of those, but need more.

Quick II Draw
01-01-2014, 09:30 PM
It will be interesting to see who O'Brien keeps and cuts, but it is a waste of time to talk about considering nobody even knows what schemes he will run much less the type of NFL players he likes...

badboy
01-01-2014, 09:43 PM
just flipped over from Fiesta game to catch local Fox sports and Foster suppose to say why he hopes Chick Harris (RB coach) remains.

bah007
01-01-2014, 09:52 PM
O'Brien will tailor his scheme to fit whatever pieces he has to work with.

Will he be looking for specific types of players going forward? I'm sure. But for now, I expect we will still lean on Foster and AJ and continue to use our TEs quite frequently in the passing game.

A great coach makes his scheme fit his players, not the other way around.

ArlingtonTexan
01-01-2014, 10:06 PM
let's see I am guessing that BOB type players will include Watt, a. Johnson, D. brown, foster, cushing and the other 5 or so better players on the Texans...just guessing

Norg
01-01-2014, 10:23 PM
so basically his type of players our are VEt Superstar players ...yeahhh that's not good because Rick does not draft Superstars all to often

steelbtexan
01-01-2014, 10:32 PM
let's see I am guessing that BOB type players will include Watt, a. Johnson, D. brown, foster, cushing and the other 5 or so better players on the Texans...just guessing

I've got my doubts that Foster will make it back and be effective after back surgery. Think Cody

Gary ran Foster into the ground.

Norg
01-01-2014, 10:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster retires ever since he got payed hes been a BUM

and didn't he say once hes not gonna over stay his welcome in the NFL he wants a career after the NFL like Hollywood or something

bah007
01-01-2014, 10:50 PM
Let's please not make this a Foster bashing thread...

Guy was a UDFA and earned his money. He got paid because he was a straight up beast and our franchise decided he was worth it (yet to be determined). Not his fault.

badboy
01-01-2014, 11:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Foster retires ever since he got payed hes been a BUM

and didn't he say once hes not gonna over stay his welcome in the NFL he wants a career after the NFL like Hollywood or somethingThere is this thinggy called a search engine you should use. Foster in 2012 had over 1400 yards with 351 attempts (many think that led to his injuries in 2013). Projected to 16 games he would have been at least 1100 yards this season.

Playoffs
01-01-2014, 11:31 PM
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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock
Some players w ties to O'Brien worth watching: James Ihedigbo, Daryl Smith, Randy Starks, Jordan Hill (rookie contract) Vincent Rey #Texans

Matt Cassel, Ryan Mallett. I think he'll find 1 to 2 vets that's he's comfortable with & draft a QB, not sold on 1st overall thou. #Texans

Several veterans with ties to O'Brien make sense to come in and compete for depth & push rookie. Shaun Hill, Brian Hoyer(contract), Thad...

Bill O'Brien also had Thaddeus Lewis at Duke when he was an OC / QB coach. Ryan Mallett was drafted at QB while O'Brien was OC. #Texans

Bill O'Brien has been sold by some as having to have a pocket passer. I believe his background opens him to a wide array of QBs. #Texans

bckey
01-02-2014, 04:58 AM
Don't forget about Matt McGloin. O'Brien got this guy to surpass Daryll Clark's record for most career touchdown passes in Penn State history with 45, Clark's single-season passing yard record of 3003, and the record for most completions in a season. He went undrafted and signed as a free agent with the Raiders. He could probably be had for cheap and is very familiar with O'Brien. You guys already know what he did to the Texans in his first start with the Raiders. He didn't do all that well after that but maybe O'Brien could use him as a stop gap until whoever we draft at qb is ready to go. Just a thought.

You mentioned Mallot and that is a possibility also. The Patriots shopped him last year with no takers. So maybe they were asking too much.

Another possibility at qb would be Ryan Nassib from the Giants for no particular reason other than I like his potential.

LikeMike
01-02-2014, 06:42 AM
Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players - those are every coaches kind of players. But what does he look for? Fast players that aren`t too big like NE, strong as a bull linemen, smart players that can adjust the playcalling on the field, athletic freaks that can be taught to play football?

Honest question, what are Bill O`Brien type players? Will he use zone blocking schemes? 3-4 defense? Creative coverages? Only tall TEs? Will he use a FB in the passing game? 5 WR sets? Wildcat? Blitz a lot or let the front handle the pass rush?

Playoffs
01-02-2014, 09:02 AM
Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players...

That's them. OB likes good players and doesn't like not-good players. :polevault:

drs23
01-02-2014, 11:02 AM
Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players - those are every coaches kind of players. But what does he look for? Fast players that aren`t too big like NE, strong as a bull linemen, smart players that can adjust the playcalling on the field, athletic freaks that can be taught to play football?

Honest question, what are Bill O`Brien type players? Will he use zone blocking schemes? 3-4 defense? Creative coverages? Only tall TEs? Will he use a FB in the passing game? 5 WR sets? Wildcat? Blitz a lot or let the front handle the pass rush?

I'm certainly not qualified to answer for BO'B but I'd be very surprised to see him fill out the roster without a play maker in the slot. Can it be Kmart? He seemed to be coming along steadily. Posey? Bonner?

No quotes or links, just my hunch.

DX-TEX
01-02-2014, 11:35 AM
I think that Whatt kid may hang around.

Allstar
01-02-2014, 06:08 PM
I think that Whatt kid may hang around.

Jury's still out on him IMO.

Marshall
01-02-2014, 06:19 PM
I think that Whatt kid may hang around.

What the H!

badboy
01-02-2014, 10:23 PM
joking aside, I am anxious to know how our defense lines up 2014

steelbtexan
01-02-2014, 10:46 PM
I'm certainly not qualified to answer for BO'B but I'd be very surprised to see him fill out the roster without a play maker in the slot. Can it be Kmart? He seemed to be coming along steadily. Posey? Bonner?

No quotes or links, just my hunch.

Agreed

Can Posey be that guy?

Texn4life
01-02-2014, 10:52 PM
I think he'll see some nice things he can do with Dennis Johnson. He likes versatile backs and Johnson has some value there.

badboy
01-02-2014, 10:53 PM
Agreed

Can Posey be that guy?I see 2014 as a make it year for Posey, Jean and Martin. I hope O'Brien is already reviewing film.

aussie_texan
01-03-2014, 03:55 AM
I see 2014 as a make it year for Posey, Jean and Martin. I hope O'Brien is already reviewing film.

i really like posey, hopefully BOB does as well and he has an expanded role next year with a clean pre-season

Brandon420tx
01-03-2014, 05:36 AM
I wonder if Bonner can use that quickness in the slot.

O'Brien was there for the start of the Welker years

Texian
01-03-2014, 09:51 AM
Since I am not really familiar with O`Brien - what are O`Brien kind of players? The players I see listed here are basically our best players - those are every coaches kind of players. But what does he look for? Fast players that aren`t too big like NE, strong as a bull linemen, smart players that can adjust the playcalling on the field, athletic freaks that can be taught to play football?

Honest question, what are Bill O`Brien type players? Will he use zone blocking schemes? 3-4 defense? Creative coverages? Only tall TEs? Will he use a FB in the passing game? 5 WR sets? Wildcat? Blitz a lot or let the front handle the pass rush?

BO'B is a Belichick Earhardt-Perkins disciple. Therefore the WCO and the ZBS are out. Most of the Texans OL were drafted because they were more suited (more athletic vs bigger, stronger) for the ZBS.

Foster flourished because of the ZBS. Some RBs are more suited to one kind of system vs another.

BO'B ran 4-3 defense at Penn St. If that's his choice for the Texans they are DL light and LB heavy. Might be time for Ninja to leave. Ninja was average inside in the 4-3, he didn't shine until Wade arrived with his 3-4. Ninja's success in Arizona was in a 3-4. JJ Watt was a DT in Wisconsin's 4-3 and wasn't nearly as effective as he is in Wade's 3-4.

nero THE zero
01-03-2014, 10:00 AM
BO'B is a Belichick Earhardt-Perkins disciple. Therefore the WCO and the ZBS are out. Most of the Texans OL were drafted because they were more suited (more athletic vs bigger, stronger) for the ZBS.

FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.

Playoffs
01-03-2014, 10:10 AM
FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.

This is correct, NE & NE w/OB run zone/stretch blocking primarily.

Texian
01-03-2014, 10:11 AM
FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.

Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.

The Pencil Neck
01-03-2014, 11:42 AM
I need to wait and see but I'm expecting BOB to be a non-system type of coach like Chip Kelly. A guy who has his concepts and his approach to the game but a guy who tailors his offense/defense to match up with the players he has available.

I think he'll be able to figure out a way to incorporate a lot of our current players. I think that's part of why he was hired -- the other Bob isn't expecting to have to make wholesale lineup changes.

DBCooper
01-03-2014, 06:45 PM
I need to wait and see but I'm expecting BOB to be a non-system type of coach like Chip Kelly. A guy who has his concepts and his approach to the game but a guy who tailors his offense/defense to match up with the players he has available.

I think he'll be able to figure out a way to incorporate a lot of our current players. I think that's part of why he was hired -- the other Bob isn't expecting to have to make wholesale lineup changes.

And I hope there are a few that don't get incorporated.

aussie_texan
01-03-2014, 07:16 PM
This is correct, NE & NE w/OB run zone/stretch blocking primarily.

Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.

Enter Andre Williams RB from BC.
Bigger back who excels in running to the outside. plays like a small back but can still run up the middle

gtexan02
01-03-2014, 07:38 PM
In his presser, here are the characteristics that B'OB said were most important to him:
1) Intelligence
2) Physical
3) Fast
4) Team player. This was by far his most important characteristic.

He went on and on about players that are accountable, that play hard, that practice hard, that do not care about stats, have a passion for football, and put the team first.

EllisUnit
01-03-2014, 07:50 PM
Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.

That still has nothing to do with how the oline blocks......:kitten:

ArlingtonTexan
01-03-2014, 09:26 PM
FWIW, I heard two different people on the radio yesterday (McClain and Zierlein, IIRC) say that O'Brien primarily ran/runs ZBS.

Maybe so but the Belichick Patriots model is the Power run game or smash mouth football.


the patriots way is not to blindly run anything either week or week out nor year -in year-out. it is to adapt the personnel at hand and the team that they are playing in a given week or in season view find things that the league has not caught up with.

drs23
01-03-2014, 10:29 PM
the patriots way is not to blindly run anything either week or week out nor year -in year-out. it is to adapt the personnel at hand and the team that they are playing in a given week or in season view find things that the league has not caught up with.

That'll never work. :)

speedfreek
01-05-2014, 08:38 AM
M biggest problem is we don't have a "Tom Brady" on the roster
to make him look good like he did with the Pats

Man, I HATE this hire!

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 09:14 AM
M biggest problem is we don't have a "Tom Brady" on the roster
to make him look good like he did with the Pats

Man, I HATE this hire!

Umm ... he probably was hired just as much for his work at PSU as his time with the Pats .

Playoffs
01-05-2014, 09:37 AM
M biggest problem is we don't have a "Tom Brady" on the roster to make him look good like he did with the Pats

Man, I HATE this hire!
Which Head Coach hire would have brought Tom Brady to the Texans?

speedfreek
01-05-2014, 09:38 AM
I hope not! What exactly did he accomplish at PSU?

Umm ... he probably was hired just as much for his work at PSU as his time with the Pats .

speedfreek
01-05-2014, 09:42 AM
Not my point. My point was that the guy isn't really accomplished
at all.

A KC-Reid type of hire would have been more like offering the
Texans job to Smith or Wisenhunt. An actual NFL coach with
actual Superbowl experience.

Not hiring some guy out of the college ranks with 2 years of
experience and no conference titles.

If you were going to hire a college coach, it should have been
someone innovative (like Chip Kelly, etc.. Sumlin, Briles, Mahlzan)

Which Head Coach hire would have brought Tom Brady to the Texans?

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2014, 09:56 AM
I hope not! What exactly did he accomplish at PSU?

I can see this will be like playing catch with Stevie Wonder .

LikeMike
01-05-2014, 09:58 AM
Not my point. My point was that the guy isn't really accomplished
at all.

A KC-Reid type of hire would have been more like offering the
Texans job to Smith or Wisenhunt. An actual NFL coach with
actual Superbowl experience.

Not hiring some guy out of the college ranks with 2 years of
experience and no conference titles.

If you were going to hire a college coach, it should have been
someone innovative (like Chip Kelly, etc.. Sumlin, Briles, Mahlzan)

I can`t really comment too much on O`Brien because I don`t follow college football - but I think the team wanted to go young and fresh to get a coach that can form a team that can win in this "new" NFL - a passing league, fast game, major limitations to defense, mobile QB... Lovie Smith is a great coach, but one of the "old days". I am sure he will do great things in Tampa and maybe he would`ve been the better choice, but he won`t modernize the team and the system.

Wisenhunt had a great season and really bad ones. In his great season he had a great QB. I think a lot more people would`ve hated that signing than people hate the O`Brien signing.

And about the innovative college QBs - that can pretty fast turn into a gimmicky strategy that other teams figure out and render useless pretty fast. I don`t think McNair was ready to go all that way.

Basically we have a hard nosed coach that both excelled in a great and in a horrible situation. A guy that has a history of being a great QB developer, that loves the game and that doesn`t take bull**** from anyone. It remains to be seen if he can be a great HC in the NFL, but I totally understand the direction McNair is going here. And most analysts seem to think, we got the prize of available coaches...

281
01-05-2014, 11:13 AM
M biggest problem is we don't have a "Tom Brady" on the roster
to make him look good like he did with the Pats

Man, I HATE this hire!

I feel sorry for you. I usually wait to spend my life-force hating someone/something until I can establish an valid opinion, which NONE of us here can do since he hasn't coached a single down for us yet.

Playoffs
01-05-2014, 03:24 PM
I can see this will be like playing catch with Stevie Wonder .

:lol:

Playoffs
01-06-2014, 03:03 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
O'Brien likes big QBs. I could see #Texans trying to trade w #Patriots for Ryan Mallett, going diff direction in draft

Texn4life
01-06-2014, 03:08 PM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt

I'd be ok trading a 4th for Mallet, maybe even a 3rd if he thinks that highly of him. We could then go Clowney or Barr in the 1st and OT in the 2nd.

bah007
01-07-2014, 12:44 PM
Seriously doubt NE would trade Mallett unless they were getting more than what they used on him. Wouldn't make sense.

kiwitexansfan
01-07-2014, 07:08 PM
Seriously doubt NE would trade Mallett unless they were getting more than what they used on him. Wouldn't make sense.

Unless he is no good, but then we wouldn't want him.

76Texan
01-09-2014, 12:26 AM
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt

McGloin is somewhere between 6'-6'1.
Did you watch that video in which he talked about QBking?

At any rate, he may just draft his own guard from Penn St.; the guy only has a master in Mathematics.
http:// http://www.ydr.com/psu/ci_23466565/brains-meet-brawn-psus-john-urschel-is-smartest

Norg
01-09-2014, 12:52 AM
I miss kubes ..................


I don't think this is going to work out IMO I don't think any former NE coach has had success when they left ............NE LOL

I hope im wrong but I forsee like wut 4 years of medoricty 2 come