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burro
12-30-2013, 02:26 PM
@BenTateRB
Cleaned out my locker going to miss the guys on this team....we have a lot of good ppl on this team and everyone was cool from the....
11:32am - 30 Dec 13

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenTateRB/status/417709741041676288?screen_name=BenTateRB

The Pencil Neck
12-30-2013, 02:37 PM
He gave us some good moments. Too bad he couldn't have stayed healthy.

bah007
12-30-2013, 02:45 PM
Good luck to him.

TEXANRED
12-30-2013, 02:46 PM
I am gonna miss Tate, wait, maybe not. Meh.

~signed just another wishey washy fan~

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 02:47 PM
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/Derreck_06/wellbyecurlybill.jpg

PapaL
12-30-2013, 02:51 PM
Is he taking Gary's doghouse with him?

I wish Ben the best of luck in his future endeavors. I hope he finds what he's looking for.

cstyle42
12-30-2013, 02:51 PM
Good luck to him.

No screw him! One of the most selfish guys you will meet.

Brisco_County
12-30-2013, 03:09 PM
No screw him! One of the most selfish guys you will meet.

And here come the sour grapes.

I hope he gets his big contract. He played to the best of the limitations of his body, and he put in the hard work.

JCTexan
12-30-2013, 03:19 PM
No sour grapes for me. I hope Tate tears it up with his new team (except if it's an AFC South team). He was a good backup player here but it's time for him to be a starter elsewhere.

HJam72
12-30-2013, 03:36 PM
I hope he breaks records, and the fans are wishy-washy. :spin:
It had actually occurred to me that our new HC might look at Tate, consider what he could do with all healthy ribs, and look at Foster's back and the number of carries he had in 2012....and cut Foster and sign Tate. We may be getting away more and more from the ZBS, so that played into my thinking.

Nothing against Foster, it was just a thought.

CretorFrigg
12-30-2013, 03:39 PM
Great. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Tate.

2 reasons why I'm not sad he's leaving. 1) Has he ever played a full season? 2) Tate thinks he's 4.2 speed type of guy and always rushes to the outside. Sorry, Tate. You're not that fast. Learn how to run in between the tackles.

Hervoyel
12-30-2013, 03:42 PM
Next thread will be "Ben Tate has gotten in his car and started the engine"

We obsess too much I think over perceived slights from guys who played hard for us but aren't destined to spend their careers here. Wasted energy on our part.

Allstar
12-30-2013, 03:53 PM
I hope he's successful at his next stop.

texanhead08
12-30-2013, 04:02 PM
This is another pick that Rick Smith botched. You pick a guy in the 2nd round and even though he was productive at times he never could crack the starting lineup.

Allstar
12-30-2013, 04:04 PM
This is another pick that Rick Smith botched. You pick a guy in the 2nd round and even though he was productive at times he never could crack the starting lineup.

Exactly, how dare he pick up an UDFA that out of nowhere started playing at an elite level.

BullNation4Life
12-30-2013, 04:04 PM
My advise to Ben Tate...

"Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!"

Thorn
12-30-2013, 04:06 PM
If he plays up to his potential and manages to say healthy, he's going to make someone a very fine back. That said, I'm glad he's gone.

Best of luck to you Ben. Thanks for playing through the pain for us.

JCTexan
12-30-2013, 04:08 PM
This is another pick that Rick Smith botched. You pick a guy in the 2nd round and even though he was productive at times he never could crack the starting lineup.

It wasn't botched. The reason he didn't crack the starting lineup was because Foster went off Tate's rookie year rushing for 1616 yards. Foster had 4,793 rushing yards during Tate's four years here. I don't think anybody was expecting Foster to have that type of productivity when Tate was drafted in 2010.

Playoffs
12-30-2013, 04:13 PM
Hope he gets a fat contract that supports him & family for the rest of their lives.

Norg
12-30-2013, 04:14 PM
have fun playing for the JEts or raiders

The Pencil Neck
12-30-2013, 04:20 PM
It wasn't botched. The reason he didn't crack the starting lineup was because Foster went off Tate's rookie year rushing for 1616 yards. Foster had 4,793 rushing yards during Tate's four years here. I don't think anybody was expecting Foster to have that type of productivity when Tate was drafted in 2010.

AND Tate broke his freaking ankle in the preseason or Foster might not have gotten that chance.

disaacks3
12-30-2013, 04:24 PM
AND Tate broke his freaking ankle in the preseason or Foster might not have gotten that chance. Definitely. Seeing as Kubiak made sure the high draft picks got their playing time...

gary
12-30-2013, 04:29 PM
Where will he go only to be successful somewhere else?

Playoffs
12-30-2013, 04:30 PM
Where will he go only to be successful somewhere else?

Cleveland has coveted him.

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 04:35 PM
There are some players that I've grown attached to & followed even though they've left the Texans. Demeco, Mario, Jacoby..... others, not so much; Demps, Casey, Barwin, Babin.

I believe Tate will fall into the latter group for me.

TheIronDuke
12-30-2013, 04:39 PM
RB's like Tate are a dime a dozen. I think Rick Smith has learned you can find RB's without using a high draft pick. Now if only he could figure out how to draft LB's and DB's.

Norg
12-30-2013, 05:17 PM
Barwin had a big play yesterday

Allstar
12-30-2013, 05:26 PM
RB's like Tate are a dime a dozen. I think Rick Smith has learned you can find RB's without using a high draft pick. Now if only he could figure out how to draft LB's and DB's.

I think that's the NFL as a whole. It seems like yesterday when Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson were top 5 picks in the same draft. Now RBs are lucky to get drafted in the late first.

PapaL
12-30-2013, 05:38 PM
Next thread will be "Ben Tate has gotten in his car and started the engine"

We obsess too much I think over perceived slights from guys who played hard for us but aren't destined to spend their careers here. Wasted energy on our part.

I was just thinking...didn't every other player clean out their locker today too?

JCTexan
12-30-2013, 05:50 PM
I was just thinking...didn't every other player clean out their locker today too?

Yeah, but not everyone wrote a goodbye on twitter to the city of Houston.


Cleaned out my locker going to miss the guys on this team....we have a lot of good ppl on this team and everyone was cool from the trainers to the equipment guys always made it a good time while still getting work done being drafted here I learned a lot that I will carry on for the rest of my career thanks Htown for all the support but odds are I won't be back

drs23
12-30-2013, 05:58 PM
I hope he's successful at his next stop.

I hope his car starts. :kitten:

Brandon420tx
12-30-2013, 06:46 PM
Hope he gets a fat contract that supports him & family for the rest of their lives.

I'll go with this

Double Barrel
12-30-2013, 06:51 PM
Hope he gets a fat contract that supports him & family for the rest of their lives.

Include me in on this sentiment.

I have no ill will toward any of these players. It is an entertainment business, and as such, they need to get it while the gettin is good. RBs are especially prone to just one big shot, so I wish him the best with landing a good job.

I think some folks took the wishy washy comments too personal. I love this city, but let's face it, when you're objective about it, it is a little wishy washy as a fan base at times. The Houston '93 documentary clearly showed it. We lost our team because we showed the one man who made the decision the door, regardless if we feel our collective attitudes were justified.

ObsiWan
12-30-2013, 07:19 PM
Hope he gets a fat contract that supports him & family for the rest of their lives.

I'll go with this

Include me in on this sentiment.

I have no ill will toward any of these players. It is an entertainment business, and as such, they need to get it while the gettin is good. RBs are especially prone to just one big shot, so I wish him the best with landing a good job.

I think some folks took the wishy washy comments too personal. I love this city, but let's face it, when you're objective about it, it is a little wishy washy as a fan base at times. The Houston '93 documentary clearly showed it. We lost our team because we showed the one man who made the decision the door, regardless if we feel our collective attitudes were justified.

Count me in too. Dude played with four cracked ribs for a team that, after a while, he knew wasn't going anywhere. Could have been an asshat about it but didn't. And as far as that fans are wishy-washy comment, he was right. Compared to the all out fanaticism he saw while playing in the SEC, a large segment of the Houston fanbase IS wishy-washy.

DBCooper
12-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Count me in too. Dude played with four cracked ribs for a team that, after a while, he knew wasn't going anywhere. Could have been an asshat about it but didn't. And as far as that fans are wishy-washy comment, he was right. Compared to the all out fanaticism he saw while playing in the SEC, a large segment of the Houston fanbase IS wishy-washy.

No doubt.

I've always held the sentiment that Houston was the biggest bandwagon city in sports.

pirbroke
12-30-2013, 07:33 PM
He earned my respect, that's for sure, playing with broke ribs. I hurt mine in a car wreck years ago had to pull over once and drop a little tear because I sneezed. I just can't fathom playing football, especially running back, with cracked ribs.
Yes he has a bit of a injury history, but to me a lot of that is just bad luck, certainly can't hold it against him on a personal level. It's ok to want players with constant injuries gone ( it's all about winning ). But as a tough ass human being I think we should all be proud he represented Texans, thank you Mr Tate..

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 07:41 PM
I think some folks took the wishy washy comments too personal. I love this city, but let's face it, when you're objective about it, it is a little wishy washy as a fan base at times. The Houston '93 documentary clearly showed it. We lost our team because we showed the one man who made the decision the door, regardless if we feel our collective attitudes were justified.

Sorry, I don't view that as wishy-washy. That's the result of a bunch of passionate football fans telling a tyrant to FOAD. It may not have been the smartest way to go about it, but it wasn't wishy-washy. It was a bunch of pissed off football fans.

I don't know. "Wishy-washy" to me infers dispassionate when the chips are down and fired up when things are going well. Houston football fans have always been very passionate about football - to a fault, in the case of the Oilers.

DBCooper
12-30-2013, 07:48 PM
Sorry, I don't view that as wishy-washy. That's the result of a bunch of passionate football fans telling a tyrant to FOAD. It may not have been the smartest way to go about it, but it wasn't wishy-washy. It was a bunch of pissed off football fans.

I don't know. "Wishy-washy" to me infers dispassionate when the chips are down and fired up when things are going well. Houston football fans have always been very passionate about football - to a fault, in the case of the Oilers.

Telling Bud to go screw himself didn't happen until the very end.

Through the dark 80's you could see the real fans, the ones that stayed aboard through thick and thin.

Not a large group.


Houston fans are pathetic at times, this year is a perfect example.

The core group is great, just like you say, but when we start losing, the wheels come off the bandwagon.

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 07:52 PM
Through the dark 80's you could see the real fans, the ones that stayed aboard through thick and thin.

I just like to ask people what Chuck Studley's coaching record was. LOL

kingtexan
12-30-2013, 07:52 PM
The reason Foster got his chance is because Tate got injured. He seemed to stay injured. Now Foster may be following that trend. We need to start thinking about the next RB in case Foster cant come back to form. Ben will get paid, but doubt he can stay healthy.

NastyNate
12-30-2013, 07:55 PM
Great. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Tate.

2 reasons why I'm not sad he's leaving. 1) Has he ever played a full season? 2) Tate thinks he's 4.2 speed type of guy and always rushes to the outside. Sorry, Tate. You're not that fast. Learn how to run in between the tackles.

Add to the list:

3) Terrible at picking up blitzers. 4) Quite a few fumbles.


With that said, best of luck to him wherever he lands.

eriadoc
12-30-2013, 07:56 PM
The reason Foster got his chance is because Tate got injured. He seemed to stay injured. Now Foster may be following that trend. We need to start thinking about the next RB in case Foster cant come back to form. Ben will get paid, but doubt he can stay healthy.

Meh, there's bad luck and there's injury prone. To me, nagging hamstrings, recurring back injuries, constant ankle sprains, etc. are signs of a player being injury prone. Tate's had three injuries that caused him to miss time. Two of them involved broken bones and another had the muscle torn away from the bones. It's not like he was running down the field and tripped over a yard line and fell down grabbing the back of his leg.

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 08:02 PM
The reason Foster got his chance is because Tate got injured. He seemed to stay injured. Now Foster may be following that trend. We need to start thinking about the next RB in case Foster cant come back to form. Ben will get paid, but doubt he can stay healthy.

The only question I've had about the Texans next running back is why is it so hard to get him on the field. We've gone through a bunch of guys, like Forsette & Deji... we went after them for a reason, but unless we had no other option, there was no way either was going to see the field.

& it's worse for guys we "feel good" about. Cierre Wood beat out Deji & Dj.... but couldn't get on the field. Tate's got broken ribs & Dj only gets the ball when Tate needs a breather. HE'S GOT 4 BROKEN RIBS... HELLO

If Rick Smith is still around we'll be alright finding talented runners. Hopefully the next regime will at least get them on the field before shuffling them off.

DBCooper
12-30-2013, 08:04 PM
I just like to ask people what Chuck Studley's coaching record was. LOL

Scored alot in porno!

ObsiWan
12-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Sorry, I don't view that as wishy-washy. That's the result of a bunch of passionate football fans telling a tyrant to FOAD. It may not have been the smartest way to go about it, but it wasn't wishy-washy. It was a bunch of pissed off football fans.

I don't know. "Wishy-washy" to me infers dispassionate when the chips are down and fired up when things are going well. Houston football fans have always been very passionate about football - to a fault, in the case of the Oilers.

I think a better word, a more accurate word, would have been "bandwagon". And you know we gotz LOTS of them kind around Houston. Rockin' with the team when we were making the playoffs and then turning on them and dogging them out (not to mention burning jerseys) when things went south this year.

You know the kind with the shiny, new J.J.Watt jersey but couldn't tell you anyone else (besides maybe Ninja) on the D-line. I know I've seen plenty of them. Bet you have too.

That's how I took Tate's statement. So given that interpretation, I agree with him.

ObsiWan
12-30-2013, 08:20 PM
The only question I've had about the Texans next running back is why is it so hard to get him on the field. We've gone through a bunch of guys, like Forsette & Deji... we went after them for a reason, but unless we had no other option, there was no way either was going to see the field.

& it's worse for guys we "feel good" about. Cierre Wood beat out Deji & Dj.... but couldn't get on the field. Tate's got broken ribs & Dj only gets the ball when Tate needs a breather. HE'S GOT 4 BROKEN RIBS... HELLO

If Rick Smith is still around we'll be alright finding talented runners. Hopefully the next regime will at least get them on the field before shuffling them off.

My money says inability to pass block.

Giant Tiger
12-30-2013, 08:21 PM
He earned my respect, that's for sure, playing with broke ribs. I hurt mine in a car wreck years ago had to pull over once and drop a little tear because I sneezed. I just can't fathom playing football, especially running back, with cracked ribs.
Yes he has a bit of a injury history, but to me a lot of that is just bad luck, certainly can't hold it against him on a personal level. It's ok to want players with constant injuries gone ( it's all about winning ). But as a tough ass human being I think we should all be proud he represented Texans, thank you Mr Tate..

Agreed. Best of luck, Ben :)

thunderkyss
12-30-2013, 08:30 PM
My money says inability to pass block.

Last several games, we never left the back in the backfield. We never threw the ball to him either, but we never left him for pass blocking either.


& still. Other teams get their running backs in the game much quicker than we do. I understand most teams don't have a Foster, but damn near 400 carries in a year? Tate got all the carries & he had 4 broke ribs. He shouldn't be blocking any body.

False Start
12-31-2013, 12:29 AM
I respect what he did playing hurt and all, and I think he will make a good, not great starting RB for another team. The whole wishy-washy thing just put him on my sh!t list though. So, Ben dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. :worldpeace:

MEGA SWATT
12-31-2013, 02:39 AM
Ben Foster? Oh well, at least we have Arian Tate. Err, wait is it Andre Foster. Oh well go texans:fans:

TheMatrix31
12-31-2013, 03:08 AM
Dude rubbed me the wrong way off the field. I'm happy it's likely he won't be back with us.

Just hope Arian can come back and be what he is and we can find another gem to back him up.

Double Barrel
12-31-2013, 05:51 PM
Sorry, I don't view that as wishy-washy. That's the result of a bunch of passionate football fans telling a tyrant to FOAD. It may not have been the smartest way to go about it, but it wasn't wishy-washy. It was a bunch of pissed off football fans.

I don't know. "Wishy-washy" to me infers dispassionate when the chips are down and fired up when things are going well. Houston football fans have always been very passionate about football - to a fault, in the case of the Oilers.

I understand your perspective, but I do not feel inclined to give my fellow Houstonians a free pass.

The year after the 12-4 Oilers? This city set NFL low attendance records.

Sure, Bud was fire-selling the team (like he said he would before the implementation of the salary cap), but fans completely quit on a team that had just went to 7 straight playoffs. One of the reasons why those teams were so loaded with talent is because Bud was paying for the moment and did not plan ahead. It was win now, and he spent the money to get the talent.

Granted, they choked like no other, but if we can just keep quantifying the reasons why Houstonians go hot and cold on teams it just prove my point.

But, I can tell you straight up when I truly realized it: 2005, when the Texans had their first 2-14 season. I still had season tickets and was delusional enough to be "hardcore" about staying for every second of that excruciating season. It does not make me better than the next guy, but it does give me the insight to see a completely empty Reliant in the 3rd and 4rth quarters of many of those games. When the clock hit 0:00 at the end of some of those games, I have no doubt less than 3000 people were left inside. Even the Bull Pen was empty. All the folks wearing costumes? GONE.

This city can be as rabid and passionate as anyone...when the team is winning. People come out of the woodworks for winning Houston teams like they have a lifelong passion on fire.

But, many of us know better. I am not seeing any Texans gear being worn like it was last year this time. And since I still wear my crap (since it seems to be about 50% of my wardrobe), I get all kinds of sarcastic BS thrown my way. I'm shopping last week, and some dude asked if I was still "holding out hope". For what???! I'm a freakin' Texans fan, good, bad, or whatever. GTFO as far as I'm concerned about fans like that.

But there are only a handful of folks like me, many of them on this board (I consider all of you hardcore Texans fans, tbh), but we do not represent a majority in Houston, Texas.

Anyway, Tate was just responding to a moment in time, not the lifelong experiences that I'm talking about. And guys like Watt and AJ backed him up. I think JJ wanted to sucker punch anyone that was booing.

Like I said, though, I don't take emotional comments to heart. Houston is what it is, and it is my home. It's either a hometown advantage "house of pain" or an apathetic "house of disdain". Collectively a multi-personality fan base going back many decades (Pastorini and Moon both got boo'ed on the field like Schaub, fwiw).

disaacks3
12-31-2013, 06:07 PM
But, I can tell you straight up when I truly realized it: 2005, when the Texans had their first 2-14 season. I still had season tickets and was delusional enough to be "hardcore" about staying for every second of that excruciating season. It does not make me better than the next guy, but it does give me the insight to see a completely empty Reliant in the 3rd and 4rth quarters of many of those games. When the clock hit 0:00 at the end of some of those games, I have no doubt less than 3000 people were left inside. Even the Bull Pen was empty. All the folks wearing costumes? GONE.

Now you've done it! Yo've gone too far this time! :nolisten: :choke:

Unless it was pre-season with my kids, I have yet to leave a game early and I'm smack in the middle of the aforementioned Bull Pen. :photos:

I know what you speak of however. It gets damn lonely when there's nobody home. I had a hard time blaming anyone from leaving when the wheels fell off and we were down more than 2 TDs going into the 4th though.

JB
12-31-2013, 07:54 PM
Like I said, though, I don't take emotional comments to heart. Houston is what it is, and it is my home. It's either a hometown advantage "house of pain" or an apathetic "house of disdain". Collectively a multi-personality fan base going back many decades (Pastorini and Moon both got boo'ed on the field like Schaub, fwiw).

A large part of this is that Houston is a "melting pot" of a city. We don't have generations raised as die hard Houston Football Fans. Kids are raised as Steeler fans, or Packer fans, Bear fans....

We are just starting to grow into a NFL city. Traditions will come someday, but it's gonna be awhile. Luv Ya Blue era showed what this city could be, this year showed what it still is.

Double Barrel
12-31-2013, 08:19 PM
Now you've done it! Yo've gone too far this time! :nolisten: :choke:

Unless it was pre-season with my kids, I have yet to leave a game early and I'm smack in the middle of the aforementioned Bull Pen. :photos:

I know what you speak of however. It gets damn lonely when there's nobody home. I had a hard time blaming anyone from leaving when the wheels fell off and we were down more than 2 TDs going into the 4th though.

lol! yeah, not trying to ruffle any feathers. With the awesome tailgate that y'all have always had, we could never blame you for leaving such bad games to go have some fun in the parking lot.

We always got seat upgrades during those games, many times right after halftime. We'd just mosey ourselves to entire rows of empty seats on the front rows of the 500 levels.

A large part of this is that Houston is a "melting pot" of a city. We don't have generations raised as die hard Houston Football Fans. Kids are raised as Steeler fans, or Packer fans, Bear fans....

We are just starting to grow into a NFL city. Traditions will come someday, but it's gonna be awhile. Luv Ya Blue era showed what this city could be, this year showed what it still is.

yep, I agree completely. I'm certainly not trying to disrespect our fanbase, but just trying to analyze it objectively in order to understand the "why" behind it all.

Right now I've been reading about the rather schizophrenic nature of the early Oilers and I'm starting to see into the souls of early football fans in Houston (obviously before my time). This city had a very strange relationship with a very strange football team owned by a very strange man. Almost like your first girlfriend being a professional 'working girl' and how that would taint your perspective for the rest of your life.

The lack of NFL championships in the past half a century hasn't helped us at all. At least those Houston fans with dual-citizenship as Cowboys fans got some good vibes by osmosis over the years from that yankee team.

Marshall
01-01-2014, 07:12 AM
If he plays up to his potential and manages to say healthy, he's going to make someone a very fine back. That said, I'm glad he's gone.

Best of luck to you Ben. Thanks for playing through the pain for us.

I liked him in 2011 and 2013, but he was a wuss in 2012.

KA4Texan
01-01-2014, 04:32 PM
To call out a teams fans for the bandwagon fans, is just a classless move IMO.

Name ANY team that DOESN'T gain bandwagon fans in ANY sport.

If he has SUCH a problem with "wishy washy fans", he shouldn't collect a fat pay check. In fact, he should avoid all competitive sports, playing and watching altogether.

Good luck finding your utopia of a bandwagon free fanbase.

ubecool454
01-02-2014, 10:52 AM
@BenTateRB
Cleaned out my locker going to miss the guys on this team....we have a lot of good ppl on this team and everyone was cool from the....
11:32am - 30 Dec 13

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenTateRB/status/417709741041676288?screen_name=BenTateRB

I thought everyone cleaned out their lockers

ubecool454
01-02-2014, 10:53 AM
No screw him! One of the most selfish guys you will meet.

Did you meet him...I would think you are talking about Foster when you mention selfishness. Reading some of these posts about a guy that may be leaving the team makes me wonder if Texans fans are as dumb as Cowboys fans.

santo
01-02-2014, 11:11 AM
I thought everyone cleaned out their lockers


They do, but this adds to the drama to make it seem like Tate was the only one.

:secret:

ubecool454
01-02-2014, 11:13 AM
They do, but this adds to the drama to make it seem like Tate was the only one.

:secret:

True, true

Dutchrudder
03-15-2014, 02:53 PM
Ben Tate signs a 2 year deal with the Cleveland Browns. No contract details yet.

Big Lou
03-15-2014, 02:55 PM
Ben Tate signs a 2 year deal with the Cleveland Browns. No contract details yet.

Good luck with the Browns, LOL.

Vance87
03-15-2014, 02:58 PM
Wow. I think like 95% of this forum called that signing. Lol.

infantrycak
03-15-2014, 03:03 PM
Trent Richardson - 455 att. 1513 yds
Ben Tate - 421 att. 1992 yds

ArlingtonTexan
03-15-2014, 03:05 PM
Wow. I think like 95% of this forum called that signing. Lol.

interesting that he has been linked to Browns for seeming ever. Lil shanny going there almost made no brainer territory

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9708082/cleveland-browns-covet-ben-tate-free-agency-open-trading-josh-gordon-greg-little-source-says

right after the Trent Richardson trade

acal21
03-15-2014, 03:13 PM
2 years up to 7 million? really we are so cap strapped we couldn't give him that? we must be super confident in foster coming back AND staying healthy

Ryan
03-15-2014, 05:17 PM
2 years up to 7 million? really we are so cap strapped we couldn't give him that? we must be super confident in foster coming back AND staying healthy

He wants to be a starter. He wasn't coming back unless we gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. AKA cutting Foster in favor of him.

Bulls on Parade
03-15-2014, 05:23 PM
We'll need all the cap space we can get once we offer Vince Wilfork a two-year deal worth $14 million. Having that mammoth run-stuffing, two blocker occupying nose tackle in Romeo Crennel's defense is the most important need for this team right now.

Uncle Rico
03-15-2014, 08:13 PM
The purge continues... Tate is a bigger loss than most are realizing. I would have released Foster and signed 44. He will flourish in CLE.

htownfan32
03-15-2014, 09:00 PM
I don't get all the bad vibes to Tate. Played through injury for us, and I will always respect him for that.

Btw... on paper, Cleveland has built a very good roster. They are just damned by that QB curse, but if they ever find one, that could be a team to watch out for.

Thorn
03-15-2014, 09:05 PM
I appreciate Tate playing through his injuries for us, although we all know it was his contract year so why wouldn't he? I wish him luck except for the week we go to Cleveland.

Bulls on Parade
03-15-2014, 10:00 PM
I'll always be thankful for Ben Tate's 2011 season. He was very productive and hard working. But 2012 and 2013 were filled with injuries and he called our fan base wishy washy. I'm glad he's gone. We don't need selfish players with a big mouth on this team anymore. Good luck in, Cleveland. If he thinks our fans are bad wait until he gets a load of the dawg pound up there. That fan base is ten times worse than ours.

_King_
03-16-2014, 01:09 AM
Tate played through injury for him. Not us.

Bulls on Parade
03-16-2014, 02:24 AM
Tate played through injury for him. Not us.
Absolutely. That is why I view him as a selfish guy. He was obviously not healthy enough to play at the type of level he needed to. There was one game against the Jaguars when he had seven carries for one yard.

You and I might have been able to carry the rock one time and lunged forward for a couple yards in that game against the hapless Jaguars, but somehow Ben Tate and his broken ribs made the kitty kats defense look like a group of All Pros.

Some of the younger backs the Texans could have called up from the practice squad and gotten a better look at late in the season. I know Dennis Johnson out of Arkansas had some nice runs and was on the team playing hard. I wanted to see more of Ray Graham as well. I'd have shut Ben Tate down. PERIOD. There was no reason for him to play with bad ribs.

On a 2-14 team that ended the season with 14 losses in a row. We needed healthy players. Not some dude calling our fan base wishy washy and playing with broken ribs. Ben Tate was part of the problem and not part of the solution.

PapaL
03-16-2014, 09:11 AM
If the guy plays injured he's doing it for himself. If he doesn't play injured he's doing it so he won't get hurt more. There's no pleasing some people. Thats wishy washy fans at its truest. End of the day the man played w 4 broken ribs for us. Get over the ex-girlfriend complex and move on.

infantrycak
03-16-2014, 10:01 AM
If the guy plays injured he's doing it for himself. If he doesn't play injured he's doing it so he won't get hurt more. There's no pleasing some people. Thats wishy washy fans at its truest. End of the day the man played w 4 broken ribs for us. Get over the ex-girlfriend complex and move on.

Spot on.

Big Lou
03-16-2014, 10:51 AM
If the guy plays injured he's doing it for himself. If he doesn't play injured he's doing it so he won't get hurt more. There's no pleasing some people. Thats wishy washy fans at its truest. End of the day the man played w 4 broken ribs for us. Get over the ex-girlfriend complex and move on.

I don't fault a guy for playing for himself. The guy doesn't owe me anything, he needs to take care of his family first and foremost.

PapaL
03-16-2014, 05:33 PM
I don't fault a guy for playing for himself. The guy doesn't owe me anything, he needs to take care of his family first and foremost.

EVERY player is playing for themselves. Same reason we all go to work. Not a single one of us would show up for work if they stopped paying us.

HOU-TEX
03-17-2014, 11:10 AM
I think Tate got a rude awakening as a FA. It's nuts how much the NFL RB position has dropped in value over the recent years. Yet, still get plenty of touches throughout the season. Going by his tweets and comments I think he was expecting a bigger payday. Imo, that's why he stayed unsigned in Cleveland so long. Trying to milk as much $ as possible.

Hope he does well

I think the deal we gave Foster was kind of high for the RB position these days. Which I'd still be cool with if he returns to 2011 form

thunderkyss
03-17-2014, 11:36 AM
I think Tate got a rude awakening as a FA.

It's a 2 year contract. At the very least, he learned that he's still got work to do if he's going to prove he's a franchise back & worthy of such a contract.


We've got people crying about signing Foster after chronic hamstring issues... I don't think they would be very happy had we signed Ben Tate after missing his entire rookie season & being banged up most of the time he was here.

The only time he (unlike Foster) played throw an injury, was when he was ina contract year... he'll probably sit out next year if he has the sniffles, & play through a leg amputation in 2015.

Blake
03-17-2014, 11:39 AM
The only time he (unlike Foster) played throw an injury, was when he was ina contract year... he'll probably sit out next year if he has the sniffles, & play through a leg amputation in 2015.

Wow. That would be awful if Foster did well with one leg. Running backs would be cutting off their legs to try and emulate his success.

_King_
03-17-2014, 12:09 PM
EVERY player is playing for themselves. Same reason we all go to work. Not a single one of us would show up for work if they stopped paying us.

So then you do acknowledge that he was playing for himself which made your previous post pointless.

PapaL
03-17-2014, 01:29 PM
So then you do acknowledge that he was playing for himself which made your previous post pointless.

How many people work for free? Your entire premise is pointless. Hugs and fan's applauding don't pay the bills.

Guess Peyton Manning should take the vet minimum instead of the $15M. He must be playing for himself.

Dutchrudder
03-18-2014, 10:28 AM
Walterfootball on the Ben Tate singing:

Browns sign RB Ben Tate (2 years, $7 million): A Grade
I was worried some team was going to overpay for Ben Tate this offseason. Tate is a talented player, but he hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy. Handing him a large contract would have been disastrous, especially considering how devalued the running back position is.

The Browns are getting a great deal. A 2-year, $7 million contract for the top running back in free agency? That's incredible value. If you're not convinced, think about it this way: Donald Brown and Toby Gerhart received deals with just as much money per season, yet Tate is much better than either of them.

_King_
03-18-2014, 10:30 AM
How many people work for free? Your entire premise is pointless. Hugs and fan's applauding don't pay the bills.

Guess Peyton Manning should take the vet minimum instead of the $15M. He must be playing for himself.

When exactly did Ben Tate play for free?

People don't work well with alligators under their desks either.

I said the same thing you later came back and said...which was Ben Tate was playing for himself. LOL...what was your point again?? I didn't fault him for it or say I expected him to "play for free" (??)...I expect these guys to play for themselves. They should be. I guess you just had a diva moment.

thunderkyss
03-18-2014, 10:49 AM
Walterfootball on the Ben Tate singing:

Browns sign RB Ben Tate (2 years, $7 million): A Grade
I was worried some team was going to overpay for Ben Tate this offseason. Tate is a talented player, but he hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy. Handing him a large contract would have been disastrous, especially considering how devalued the running back position is.

The Browns are getting a great deal. A 2-year, $7 million contract for the top running back in free agency? That's incredible value. If you're not convinced, think about it this way: Donald Brown and Toby Gerhart received deals with just as much money per season, yet Tate is much better than either of them.

Interesting. The top FA running back is not a franchise back... & the lowly Browns did not pay him like one... They may be turning the corner.

Playoffs
03-18-2014, 12:33 PM
Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider
Ben Tate deal: two years, $6.2 million, $1.5M signing bonus, $2.5M gteed, salaries $1.2M, $2M, $500K annual yards incentive

Interesting to me that RBs who touch the ball second behind QBs have been so universally devalued around the league. Almost feels like a mutual agreement.

HOU-TEX
03-18-2014, 12:44 PM
Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider


Interesting to me that RBs who touch the ball second behind QBs have been so universally devalued around the league. Almost feels like a mutual agreement.

It's crazy to me. Granted, I'm not all that high on Tate to begin with, but these RB's take more of a beating than dang near anyone on the team and they're the least valued of the bunch.

Might as well be a kicker. They get paid about the same while mushing their nuts on the sidelines

Uncle Rico
03-30-2014, 04:44 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/30/tates-base-deal-pays-out-a-lot-less-than-reported/

Geeesh, talk about a value contract.

Dutchrudder
03-30-2014, 05:14 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/30/tates-base-deal-pays-out-a-lot-less-than-reported/

Geeesh, talk about a value contract.

Looks like the Browns did something right for a change.


Edit: forgot to add: It's a wishy-washy contract, for a wishy-washy runningback.

Ryan
03-30-2014, 06:02 PM
Looks like the Browns did something right for a change.


Edit: forgot to add: It's a wishy-washy contract, for a wishy-washy runningback.

nice.

kiwitexansfan
03-30-2014, 06:22 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/30/tates-base-deal-pays-out-a-lot-less-than-reported/

Geeesh, talk about a value contract.

Not if he can't get out of the training room.

DocBar
03-31-2014, 12:50 AM
Looks like the Browns did something right for a change.


Edit: forgot to add: It's a wishy-washy contract, for a wishy-washy runningback.Tate gave his all last season. i wish him the best.

honored82
03-31-2014, 06:14 AM
He must have known what he is getting before signing the contract. That is pretty much back up running back contract. There was probably not much offers for him. Even though he was saying that He was Elite before FA.

Scooter
03-31-2014, 07:15 AM
the market for runningbacks is empty. unless of course you're as much a receiver - like sproles. tate, johnson, MJD and others can barely find jobs. i read that many leading backs are being paid in line with kickers these days.

michaelm
03-31-2014, 09:18 AM
the market for runningbacks is empty. unless of course you're as much a receiver - like sproles. tate, johnson, MJD and others can barely find jobs. i read that many leading backs are being paid in line with kickers these days.

On the radio yesterday, I heard one of the guys say that there are something like 16 kickers and punters who make more than Ben Tate this year.

_King_
03-31-2014, 09:38 AM
Been saying FOREVER that Tate was not going to get a bunch of money.

thunderkyss
03-31-2014, 10:29 AM
Been saying FOREVER that Tate was not going to get a bunch of money.

You're not the only one. He's definitely proven that he can produce like a franchise back, but he can't stay on the field. I'd have thought he would have gotten in the $3M/yr range though..... Donald Brown getting that kind of money & Toby Gerhardt getting that kind of money tells me it was out there.

El Tejano
03-31-2014, 10:43 AM
So basically we saw him as damaged goods and decided to pass on signing him?

thunderkyss
03-31-2014, 10:54 AM
So basically we saw him as damaged goods and decided to pass on signing him?

Tate had it in his head that he is a starting RB. Nothing we could have said was going to change that, without insulting him. He does not want to play behind Arian.

That's the only opportunity we have for a RB here. He was looking for $3M+, we don't have a position like that available.

_King_
03-31-2014, 10:58 AM
Arian isn't going to be around for much longer either. Not going out on a limb there, but hey...

ObsiWan
03-31-2014, 01:33 PM
Arian isn't going to be around for much longer either. Not going out on a limb there, but hey...
I dunno about that. Foster was pretty good catching the ball out of the backfield. I can see him being split wide and hoping a LB has to cover him; kinda like what Belichick did to us using Ridley.

Rush23
03-31-2014, 05:00 PM
I knew the day would come, got a chance to meet Tate at training camp and was a nice guy and actually gave me the time of day in a conversation.