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Marcus
12-28-2013, 02:41 PM
Well, if you haven't seen him play yet, here's your chance.

badboy
12-28-2013, 02:56 PM
Too bad it could not be against a quality opponent. I want to like the guy as there is a good chance he will be on our roster.

Russell Athletic Bowl in Orlando | No. 16 Louisville (11-1) vs. No. 25 Miami (Fla.) (9-3)

Time/TV: 6:45 p.m. ET/ESPN. Surface: Artificial.

Glantz-Culver line: Louisville by 3. Sagarin difference: Louisville by 4.28.

Bowl records: Miami 18-16, Louisville 8-8-1. Series: Miami leads 9-1-1 (Louisville won last meeting 31-7 in 2006).

bah007
12-28-2013, 02:58 PM
He's my choice for the #1 pick at this point. With that said, you won't hear any excuses from me if he doesn't perform tonight. On prime time in his last game (I assume) against his home town team. A lot riding on his performance. High pressure situation. Let's see how he handles it.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 03:12 PM
I'm on the Bridgewater or Clowney boat; with a slight preference to Clowney. It's Bridgewater's for the taking. If he lights it up tonight I think he's a Texan. If he stinks it up, he returns for another year.

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 04:25 PM
Louisville might have a higher ranking and be slight favorites, but that is ONLY because of how good he is.

There are between 9-10 guys on the Miami side of the football who will be playing football on Sundays after this and next years draft class. There will be 3 on Louisville's side. Overall, if you remove the QB from Louisiville, Miami would likely be a 20+ point favorite, but you can't remove him. So be sure to watch what he does today.

badboy
12-28-2013, 04:34 PM
He's my choice for the #1 pick at this point. With that said, you won't hear any excuses from me if he doesn't perform tonight. On prime time in his last game (I assume) against his home town team. A lot riding on his performance. High pressure situation. Let's see how he handles it.
This is why I want to watch, I know how McCarron responds to high pressure games. To win me over TB needs to basically win this on his own and carry the team as everyone insists he has done all season. He needs to make plays and decisions like a #1 QB.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 05:05 PM
This is why I want to watch, I know how McCarron responds to high pressure games. To win me over TB needs to basically win this on his own and carry the team as everyone insists he has done all season. He needs to make plays and decisions like a #1 QB.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but why does TB have to do the bolded above when McCarron has never done it? I only say this because I know you are a McCarron fan. AJ doesn't carry his team. Why does TB have to carry his to win you over?

Marcus
12-28-2013, 05:48 PM
I'm on the Bridgewater or Clowney boat; with a slight preference to Clowney. It's Bridgewater's for the taking. If he lights it up tonight I think he's a Texan. If he stinks it up, he returns for another year.

I seriously doubt if tonight's game impacts that kind of decision, one way or another.

Also LOL at this "high pressure" situation. It's a bowl game.

bah007
12-28-2013, 06:03 PM
I seriously doubt if tonight's game impacts that kind of decision, one way another.

Also LOL at this "high pressure" situation. It's a bowl game.

Agree with your first sentence.

High pressure in the sense that he is playing his home town team (which is important to him) on prime time TV in his last game to make an impression as the presumed #1 pick in the draft.

That's not to say that this game is important in any other way.

beerlover
12-28-2013, 06:11 PM
Agree with your first sentence.

High pressure in the sense that he is playing his home town team (which is important to him) on prime time TV in his last game to make an impression as the presumed #1 pick in the draft.

That's not to say that this game is important in any other way.

It's probably more important to us, lol

Dutchrudder
12-28-2013, 06:15 PM
I really hope TB tears Miami a new one tonight. Even if we don't draft him, the Texans really need some more potential 1-1 guys in the mix to make it worth trading back. TB made himself a potential #1 pick last year in a bowl game, so hopefully we see a repeat.

TexansSeminole
12-28-2013, 06:17 PM
Miami has been playing as if they have given up on the season after they lost to FSU mid-season. I don't expect Miami to come out with a lot of energy.

bah007
12-28-2013, 06:17 PM
It's probably more important to us, lol

Maybe so, lol. I do think a big game tonight will ease a lot of minds around here.

badboy
12-28-2013, 06:23 PM
Just playing devil's advocate here, but why does TB have to do the bolded above when McCarron has never done it? I only say this because I know you are a McCarron fan. AJ doesn't carry his team. Why does TB have to carry his to win you over?I rate TB better than AJ over all but the main reason I keep seeing why AJ is dissed and TB is praised is the ability to "carry his team". Now is the time for TB to show me.

If you praise your hot boat over mine then it needs to do what you say.

bah007
12-28-2013, 06:28 PM
I rate TB better than AJ over all but the main reason I keep seeing why AJ is dissed and TB is praised is the ability to "carry his team". Now is the time for TB to show me.

If you praise your hot boat over mine then it needs to do what you say.

Your point is fair. But it's also necessary to mention that Teddy has carried his team quite far already over the last two years. He has proved on multiple occasions that he can do it.

badboy
12-28-2013, 06:28 PM
I really hope TB tears Miami a new one tonight. Even if we don't draft him, the Texans really need some more potential 1-1 guys in the mix to make it worth trading back. TB made himself a potential #1 pick last year in a bowl game, so hopefully we see a repeat.Playing devils advocate (lol) would not more 1-1 players lower offers as teams would hope theirs would drop? IMO, Clowney and TB are only two that would cause teams to bring a package deal.

JCTexan
12-28-2013, 06:45 PM
I'm looking forward to see Teddy Bridgewater tonight.

Dutchrudder
12-28-2013, 06:45 PM
Playing devils advocate (lol) would not more 1-1 players lower offers as teams would hope theirs would drop? IMO, Clowney and TB are only two that would cause teams to bring a package deal.

Nope. RG3 would have been #1 overall in any other draft of recent years, but Luck was clearly a better prospect. Having two #1 overall worthy picks only increases the chances of a trade down and increases the purchase price of those top 1 or 2 picks.

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Well that wasn't a good start by Teddy...but his OL sort of did not help at all there.

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:00 PM
He should've dumped it to #46.

TexansSeminole
12-28-2013, 07:00 PM
Not a good start.

TexansSeminole
12-28-2013, 07:00 PM
He should've dumped it to #46.

The fullback? Yes.

pirbroke
12-28-2013, 07:03 PM
He looked just like the QB's we already have on that first series.

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2013, 07:04 PM
The fullback? Yes.

think 46 missed the chop block that would given the play a chance

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:05 PM
Well that wasn't a good start by Teddy...but his OL sort of did not help at all there.

Very risky playcall by Louisville to run a back to the defense playaction pass from the 2-yard line. Miami had a great call on with the Safety blitz. Perfect counter for that call. Bridgewater still had time to quickly dump it to his outlet though.

Playoffs
12-28-2013, 07:08 PM
Greg A. Bedard ‏@GregABedard
Rick Smith also saw Manziel live vs. Alabama...

Texans GM Rick Smith is in the house at the Russell Athletic Bowl, where Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater is likely playing his final game

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:08 PM
1st pass good throw, good placement
2nd pass quick 1 read throw.
3rd pass rollout dump off to checkdown, good throw

good job extending the play.

JCTexan
12-28-2013, 07:11 PM
1st pass good throw, good placement
2nd pass quick 1 read throw.
3rd pass rollout dump off to checkdown, good throw

4th pass great athletic play to avoid the rush. Good throw... Bridgewater is looking good.

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:14 PM
3rd down pass 1 read overthrown

mussop
12-28-2013, 07:17 PM
He (Teddy) looks like Byron Leftwich.

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2013, 07:21 PM
BTW, Louisville does have a couple of draftable safeties

drs23
12-28-2013, 07:22 PM
I DVR'd it so I just watched TB get off the bus. That's a LITTLE GUY! I can see folks concern about him perhaps being fragile.

bah007
12-28-2013, 07:23 PM
BTW, Louisville does have a couple of draftable safeties

Calvin Pryor is a 2nd-3rd round guy and Hakeem Smith is a probably a 4th round guy.

WR DeVante Parker is also a 2nd-3rd round guy.

That's about it on this team.

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:24 PM
That pass had bad placement. too high.

Next pass was solid 1 read slant.

Next pass overthrown.

3rd dn, 1 read then went to checkdown.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:25 PM
That pass had bad placement.

Which one?

bah007
12-28-2013, 07:25 PM
Both of the fades have been too high and outside. He'd definitely like to have the first one back. Otherwise he's looked very efficient outside of the safety.

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:28 PM
IS it just me or does TB look a bit thin and frail?

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 07:29 PM
Not impressed at all. Tonight was his night to shine and he is stinking it up so far.

Really hope we dont draft this kid. He looks like Sean King 2.0 ... he will flash then be gone.

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:30 PM
Which one?

The out to the side line, above WR head instead of hitting his numbers. It was incomplete but DB almost took it away. First pass of second possession. 3:48 1st Q to be exact.

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2013, 07:31 PM
IS it just me or does TB look a bit thin and frail?

Even the people who like him a ton recognize this.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:31 PM
The out to the side line, above WR head instead of hitting his numbers. It was incomplete but DB almost took it away. First pass of second possession.

Thanks. I missed a few plays there.

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 07:32 PM
BTW, Louisville does have a couple of draftable safeties

They have 1 in Pryor, see the post about 2 below yours. and that other pro prospect, WR Parker, is now out for the game

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:34 PM
Great small window throw there over the middle.

And then shows off the athleticism.

Playoffs
12-28-2013, 07:34 PM
IS it just me or does TB look a bit thin and frail?
http://wordfromthewoo.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tom-brady-draft-day.jpg

If it was a beauty contest Blaine Gabbert would be all pro. :kitten:

mussop
12-28-2013, 07:34 PM
Not impressed at all. Tonight was his night to shine and he is stinking it up so far.

Really hope we dont draft this kid. He looks like Sean King 2.0 ... he will flash then be gone.

Are you watching the game? If so stop wasting your time.

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 07:36 PM
Not impressed at all. Tonight was his night to shine and he is stinking it up so far.

Really hope we dont draft this kid. He looks like Sean King 2.0 ... he will flash then be gone.

lol, you hated this guy before he even took the field tonight, but to each their own.

IS it just me or does TB look a bit thin and frail?


lol, you, me and everyone else have said this all year. TB definitely needs to put some weight on, no doubt, but I believe nearly every single college QB gains on average 15-20 pounds before the combine after their bowl game. Teddy just needs to put on about 30.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 07:40 PM
He flicks that ball out really fast.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:41 PM
lol, you, me and everyone else have said this all year. TB definitely needs to put some weight on, no doubt, but I believe nearly every single college QB gains on average 15-20 pounds before the combine after their bowl game. Teddy just needs to put on about 30.

TB probably weighs 195, maybe 200 right now. Needs to get up to at least 215.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 07:44 PM
3 drives, 3 FGs. Is Gary calling the plays for Louisville?

Texian
12-28-2013, 07:45 PM
Thanks. I missed a few plays there.

3:48 1st Q to be exact.

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 07:45 PM
3 drives, 3 FGs. Is Gary calling the plays for Louisville?

only 1 other guy on the offensive side of the ball is going pro and that's his primary WR. Now he's out for game. Putting any points on the board is an accomplishment in itself.

Plus they went for it on 4th and 1 (completely unlike Gary), but had an illegal formation and called it back.

eriadoc
12-28-2013, 07:45 PM
He drives his team for FGs like a Texans QB. Very impressive so far.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 07:46 PM
3 drives, 3 FGs. Is Gary calling the plays for Louisville?

They play very conservative on offense, which is odd considering they have a pretty good QB. They tend to just lean on their defense and running game and ask Bridgewater to do everything if that isn't working.

Playoffs
12-28-2013, 07:49 PM
Need Miami to at least make a game of it.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 07:53 PM
lol, you hated this guy before he even took the field tonight, but to each their own.
I have watched him all year to form my opinion. Not one of hate but simply stating I didn't think he would make a good NFL quarterback. I am watching tonight because I thought maybe on the larger stage of this bowl game, with all the #1 draft pick talk, he would step his game up and impress me.

He hasn't ...

Bulls on Parade
12-28-2013, 07:54 PM
Just tuned in. Is he dominating or not?

9-2 score only at the moment.

I'm seeing a QB who would excel in a Gary Kubiak type of offense.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 07:55 PM
Are you watching the game? If so stop wasting your time.

Yes I am, and will continue thanks.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 07:55 PM
only 1 other guy on the offensive side of the ball is going pro and that's his primary WR. Now he's out for game. Putting any points on the board is an accomplishment in itself.

Plus they went for it on 4th and 1 (completely unlike Gary), but had an illegal formation and called it back.

I'm well aware. I'm watching the same game you are.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 07:55 PM
Just tuned in. Is he dominating or not?

9-2 score only at the moment.

I'm seeing a QB who would excel in a Gary Kubiak type of offense.

If by dominating you mean completely mediocre ... then yes.

Bulls on Parade
12-28-2013, 07:56 PM
Nice pure pocket pass. I'd like to see more of that.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 07:57 PM
They play very conservative on offense, which is odd considering they have a pretty good QB. They tend to just lean on their defense and running game and ask Bridgewater to do everything if that isn't working.

The QB runs really caught me off guard. Hadn't seen that is any of his games I've seen this year.

I really like how fast he gets the ball out.

Bulls on Parade
12-28-2013, 07:58 PM
I've seen all I need to see. Two strong throws, one for a TD. I'm sold just watching this one drive. I was on board with Clowney all year long but Teddy has won me over. I'll be happy with either player though.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 07:58 PM
That was a nice play, I would seriously consider drafting that WR ...

PapaL
12-28-2013, 07:58 PM
That's a precision TD strike by Teddy.

Trap_Star
12-28-2013, 08:00 PM
on the replay, teddy with a good job looking off the safety. didn't even look at the WR's direction until he threw it

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:00 PM
That's a precision TD strike by Teddy.

:spit:

C'mon man, he threw it up and the WR went and got it.

Given it would have worked just as well with Hopkins, but that wasnt a great throw by any means.

JCTexan
12-28-2013, 08:00 PM
I've seen all I need to see. Two strong throws, one for a TD. I'm sold just watching this one drive. I was on board with Clowney all year long but Teddy has won me over. I'll be happy with either player though.

No thanks on Clowney. I don't like his character issues. I could definitely get on board with Bridgewater.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 08:02 PM
Seeing as how we're talking QB's.....what does everyone think of Morris? I think he's awful personally.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:03 PM
What's this looking the safety off thing they're talking about ?

PapaL
12-28-2013, 08:04 PM
:spit:

C'mon man, he threw it up and the WR went and got it.

Given it would have worked just as well with Hopkins, but that wasnt a great throw by any means.

That was nothing like "throwing it up" and letting the WR make a play ala Case's deep rainbows.

You're just trolling. I'm no longer responding.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:06 PM
That was nothing like "throwing it up" and letting the WR make a play ala Case's deep rainbows.

You're just trolling. I'm no longer responding.

Not trolling dude, we just have a different opinion on what we are seeing.

No big deal.

ArlingtonTexan
12-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Seeing as how we're talking QB's.....what does everyone think of Morris? I think he's awful personally.

He has raw tools, but really poor at "football skills"

Texian
12-28-2013, 08:09 PM
Seeing as how we're talking QB's.....what does everyone think of Morris? I think he's awful personally.

Believe it or not, there were several talking hairdos who had Morris as their #1 QB to start the season (McShay and Norris come to mind).

texanchris
12-28-2013, 08:11 PM
After watching a majority of TB's games, I'm really not that impressed either. don't get me wrong, he is good but he is not good enough to be picked with the #1 pick in my opinion. It would be better to use that pick to build up the trenches and wait until next year (where i believe the top 3-4 Qb's will be better than TB) to get our franchise QB

NastyNate
12-28-2013, 08:18 PM
Nice job extending the play. Probably would have been a "Keenum"esque sack though in the NFL.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:19 PM
Nice job extending the play. Probably would have been a "Keenum"esque sack though in the NFL.

Keenum has made that exact type of play this year. Good play but looked like Keenum.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 08:19 PM
Nice job extending the play. Probably would have been a "Keenum"esque sack though in the NFL.

Teddy Football lol

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 08:20 PM
Well that drive was a damn passing clinic

NastyNate
12-28-2013, 08:20 PM
And TD!

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:20 PM
Nice touch pass, but again, nothing Case hasn't shown us.

Trap_Star
12-28-2013, 08:20 PM
He's toying with their secondary now.

NastyNate
12-28-2013, 08:22 PM
Teddy Football lol

Well played! I like TB, I'm just concerned about his size. I really wish Miami would have made a game of this so we could see more big third down situations.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 08:22 PM
Welcome to Houston Teddy.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:22 PM
Keenum has made that exact type of play this year. Good play but looked like Keenum.

:mariopalm::mariopalm::mariopalm:

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 08:23 PM
Nice touch pass, but again, nothing Case hasn't shown us.

His ability to beat the blitz is something he's showing that Case hasn't.

Playoffs
12-28-2013, 08:24 PM
Does Bridgewater have a low, side-armey release? Or it is just variable?

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:25 PM
His ability to beat the blitz is something he's showing that Case hasn't.

He's as objective as a bullet .

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:25 PM
:mariopalm::mariopalm::mariopalm:

Facepalm all you want, but if you watched the Texans this year, Keenum was extending plays and throwing touch passes into the corner of the end-zone for TD's when everyone was on his bandwagon. Then teams figured out he and our O-line crumbled like an over-cooked cookie if they blitzed, and it was over.

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 08:25 PM
That was nothing like "throwing it up" and letting the WR make a play ala Case's deep rainbows.

You're just trolling. I'm no longer responding.

well said, not even worth it. 2 people can watch the same thing and see completely different things as is completely apparent. If you rewind to 7:01 his WR Parker was falling down as he made the catch otherwise it hits him in his helmet if he's standing upright.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:26 PM
His ability to beat the blitz is something he's showing that Case hasn't.

I would agree, but he isn't facing an NFL blitz, so I cant really consider that.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:31 PM
Facepalm all you want, but if you watched the Texans this year, Keenum was extending plays and throwing touch passes into the corner of the end-zone for TD's when everyone was on his bandwagon. Then teams figured out he and our O-line crumbled like an over-cooked cookie if they blitzed, and it was over.

Case has touch on his passes but stinks in the 2nd half and the blitz is the main reason .

TexansFTW
12-28-2013, 08:32 PM
Well this thread has gone to trash as usual w/ most stuff on this board.

Outright hate and disdain because some want these "trenches" built up so we can draft a "better" QB AKA Pipe Dream at #14 overall next year.

Just going back and forth now...

"What a great safety look off and TD strike"

"Nothing Case Keenum couldn't do"

With that I'm done. I would hate to see this thread erupt when he does make a mistake as he likely will because he isn't a God.

TB #1 overall to your... Houston Texans!

Trap_Star
12-28-2013, 08:36 PM
Well this thread has gone to trash as usual w/ most stuff on this board.

Outright hate and disdain because some want these "trenches" built up so we can draft a "better" QB AKA Pipe Dream at #14 overall next year.

Just going back and forth now...

"What a great safety look off and TD strike"

"Nothing Case Keenum couldn't do"

With that I'm done. I would hate to see this thread erupt when he does make a mistake as he likely will because he isn't a God.

TB #1 overall to your... Houston Texans!

why u mad tho?

bOODRO87
12-28-2013, 08:37 PM
Nice touch pass, but again, nothing Case hasn't shown us.

Wow, people like this do exist. Someone should make a documentary out of you.

"The man who never saw good"

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:37 PM
Well this thread has gone to trash as usual w/ most stuff on this board.

Outright hate and disdain because some want these "trenches" built up so we can draft a "better" QB AKA Pipe Dream at #14 overall next year.

Just going back and forth now...

"What a great safety look off and TD strike"

"Nothing Case Keenum couldn't do"

With that I'm done. I would hate to see this thread erupt when he does make a mistake as he likely will because he isn't a God.

TD #1 overall to your... Houston Texans!

Some want an aggie qb , some want an aggie OL , some want a trade but if there's no #1 qb there's no trade . IF there's a #1 qb worth trading for , we should take him .:roast:

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:38 PM
Case has touch on his passes but stinks in the 2nd half and the blitz is the main reason .

Agree 100%.

Not saying Case is the answer, we know he isn't. Just noting things that reminded me of Case.

JCTexan
12-28-2013, 08:39 PM
Bridgewater - 19-26, 231 yards & 2 TD's in the first half. Impressive. For someone who said TB looked like Vince Young not a month ago, I'm liking him tonight.. Bridgewater looks to have better velocity and accuracy on his throws than I originally thought.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:39 PM
Wow, people like this do exist. Someone should make a documentary out of you.

"The man who never saw good"

Cindy Crawford can't fry bacon .

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:41 PM
Agree 100%.

Not saying Case is the answer, we know he isn't. Just noting things that reminded me of Case.

Some of that is coaching .

bOODRO87
12-28-2013, 08:41 PM
Bridgewater - 19-26, 231 yards & 2 TD's in the first half. Impressive. For someone who said TB looked like Vince Young not a month ago, I'm liking him tonight.. Bridgewater looks to have better velocity and accuracy on his throws than I originally thought.

Oh hey, an intelligent, objective post that's backed up with information.

Not that assumption BS.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:42 PM
Wow, people like this do exist. Someone should make a documentary out of you.

"The man who never saw good"

I see good. The kid is a good college player, but that doesn't mean he will be worth the #1 pick or be a good NFL player. Do we forget what Case did in college? What Carr did in college? Young? Russell? Etc, etc. I am just giving him the eye test again and drawing a few comparisons.

Heck the kid is barely projected in the top 10, I think Kiper has him the 9th best player in the draft, although he is projected as the best QB. You only get the #1 pick overall a very few times. Hopefully we will NEVER get it again. I want the Texans to be absolutely sure whoever they pick at #1 is the right choice and not reach because of need.

IMHO, this kid aint it ...

PapaL
12-28-2013, 08:45 PM
We have no room for facts! Case is Jesus in Cleats. Clowney is a clown. RT is our #1 need. Bridgewater looks like he needs a burger.

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 08:47 PM
We have no room for facts! Case is Jesus in Cleats. Clowney is a clown. RT is our #1 need. Bridgewater looks like he needs a burger.

Very well then ... rep earned. :bravo:

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 08:48 PM
You don't know anything about a QB until he's thrown into the fire . I think if a QB has shown resilence it helps .

JB
12-28-2013, 08:56 PM
Some want an aggie qb , some want an aggie OL , some want a trade but if there's no #1 qb there's no trade . IF there's a #1 qb worth trading for , we should take him .:roast:

:snowday:

PapaL
12-28-2013, 08:57 PM
Anyone else watching this time consuming defense resting resulting in a TD drive?

Mr teX
12-28-2013, 09:01 PM
We are not taking a damn RT #1 overall, people just need to get that out of their heads right now. There's also no prospect this draft that's really worth it, so the trade down scenario is probably not in play either....so in all liklihood, we'll be using that pick.

So its TB or Clowney...these are our only options....period.

beerlover
12-28-2013, 09:05 PM
In 48 hours I hope we know that Bridgewater is turning pro & Bill O'Brian will be new head coach of our Houston Texans!

PapaL
12-28-2013, 09:06 PM
Schnellenberger is just rambling on. You kids get off my lawn!

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 09:08 PM
We are not taking a damn RT #1 overall, people just need to get that out of their heads right now. There's also no prospect this draft that's really worth it, so the trade down scenario is probably not in play either....so in all liklihood, we'll be using that pick.

So its TB or Clowney...these are our only options....period.

We will see, but all the talking heads seem to have Matthews and Clowney as 1 and 2 best prospects.

Bridgewater is just the best QB.

BigBull
12-28-2013, 09:13 PM
We will see, but all the talking heads seem to have Matthews and Clowney as 1 and 2 best prospects.



Bridgewater is just the best QB.


Best qb always trumps best position player when qb is your biggest need. I personally think Bridgewater is the best player in the draft not just best qb.


Sent from the future...

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 09:15 PM
We are not taking a damn RT #1 overall, people just need to get that out of their heads right now.

But......he's an Aggie bro.

drs23
12-28-2013, 09:16 PM
31 TD passes. 4 int's. Not Texans Worthy. :kitten::kitten:

PapaL
12-28-2013, 09:20 PM
Best qb always trumps best position player when qb is your biggest need. I personally think Bridgewater is the best player in the draft not just best qb.


Sent from the future...

I'm taking a wild guess that his, Teddy, draft stock is rising.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 09:31 PM
Yeah...he's declaring. #1 pick in his future.

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 09:31 PM
Bootleg keeper for the nail in the coffin (if it wasn't in already). Pretty dominating performance by Bridgewater and by Louisville's defense tonight.

beerlover
12-28-2013, 09:32 PM
Bootleg keeper for the nail in the coffin (if it wasn't in already). Pretty dominating performance by Bridgewater and by Louisville's defense tonight.

Amen

Ben Frank
12-28-2013, 09:36 PM
Do I see a Bridgewater vs Luck rivalry brewing...

stingray
12-28-2013, 09:38 PM
If by dominating you mean completely mediocre ... then yes.

Keep on trolling troll.

texanchris
12-28-2013, 09:40 PM
Well this thread has gone to trash as usual w/ most stuff on this board.

Outright hate and disdain because some want these "trenches" built up so we can draft a "better" QB AKA Pipe Dream at #14 overall next year.

Just going back and forth now...

"What a great safety look off and TD strike"

"Nothing Case Keenum couldn't do"

With that I'm done. I would hate to see this thread erupt when he does make a mistake as he likely will because he isn't a God.

TB #1 overall to your... Houston Texans!
Alright first off, just because I don't like TB at the #1 spot does not mean i have "outright disdain or hate" for the guy as you seem to think. IF we somehow traded back to the 3-5 spot then i would happily take him.

Anyone with any sort of football IQ knows football is won and lost in the trenches. We're 28th in the league in getting sacks on defense and we might as well not have a right tackle on the field because Newton doesn't do much when he's playing. Look what happened last time we drafted a QB from a small school before we built up the trenches. He sucked. Part of this could be on him but most of the blame lies on the O-line who never gave him time. The crappy O-line completely destroyed his development and confidence. Look at most of the top tier teams in the NFL and you'll see that most of them of top tier O or D lines. Then look at the bears, who arguably have the best Offensive skill positions yet a below average O and D line and you see why they have yet to clinch a playoff birth.

bOODRO87
12-28-2013, 09:52 PM
Alright first off, just because I don't like TB at the #1 spot does not mean i have "outright disdain or hate" for the guy as you seem to think. IF we somehow traded back to the 3-5 spot then i would happily take him.

Anyone with any sort of football IQ knows football is won and lost in the trenches. We're 28th in the league in getting sacks on defense and we might as well not have a right tackle on the field because Newton doesn't do much when he's playing. Look what happened last time we drafted a QB from a small school before we built up the trenches. He sucked. Part of this could be on him but most of the blame lies on the O-line who never gave him time. The crappy O-line completely destroyed his development and confidence. Look at most of the top tier teams in the NFL and you'll see that most of them of top tier O or D lines. Then look at the bears, who arguably have the best Offensive skill positions yet a below average O and D line and you see why they have yet to clinch a playoff birth.

You do not have to draft in the first round for a good OL. If the Texans think QB is a high priority, you can kiss your 1st pick OL dream goodbye. There will be a significant decrease in QB talent if the Texans were to wait at the 33rd pick. Not so much in the trenches.

BigBull
12-28-2013, 09:56 PM
Keep on trolling troll.


Lol


Sent from the future...

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 10:00 PM
Anyone with any sort of football IQ knows football is won and lost in the trenches.

Easy ... easy ... no football IQ here ... move along. :truck:

WolverineFan
12-28-2013, 10:06 PM
Keep on trolling troll.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/They_2aac8b_657358.gif

Uncle Rico
12-28-2013, 10:07 PM
Teddy F$$kin' Bridgewater!

Whats not to like?

Mr teX
12-28-2013, 10:08 PM
You do not have to draft in the first round for a good OL. If the Texans think QB is a high priority, you can kiss your 1st pick OL dream goodbye. There will be a significant decrease in QB talent if the Texans were to wait at the 33rd pick. Not so much in the trenches.

Not only that, there's sure to be a great RT prospect for us to nab at the top of the 2nd round....maybe even that other aggie tackle....

Dishman
12-28-2013, 10:08 PM
TB looked pretty damn good tonight. Good for him. Good for us?

kingtexan
12-28-2013, 10:11 PM
There will be a significant decrease in QB talent if the Texans were to wait at the 33rd pick.

Panic making the pick?

"Oh my God if we wait there wont be a good QB left"

History has not shown that to be true, and the Texans picking based on needing a QB is the absolute worst thing they could do at #1. You only get the #1 pick once in a lifetime hopefully. Use it wisely and take the absolute cant miss prospect, at whatever position.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 10:14 PM
Panic making the pick?

"Oh my God if we wait there wont be a good QB left"

History has not shown that to be true, and the Texans picking based on needing a QB is the absolute worst thing they could do at #1. You only get the #1 pick once in a lifetime hopefully. Use it wisely and take the absolute cant miss prospect, at whatever position.

I must've died 3x already.

PapaL
12-28-2013, 10:16 PM
It's funny how taking a QB #1 would be a panic pick but taking a RT #1 isn't.

leebigeztx
12-28-2013, 10:17 PM
It always amazes me these so called trench guys. Baltimore won lst year because flacco played great,not because the o-line was dominant or d-line was dominant. The giants and packers won with run games in the late 20s and suspect pass pro. The colts won the division with shoddy o-line(can't run) and middle of pack d-line. The common denominator is theguy you can't hide,the qb.

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 10:18 PM
Panic making the pick?

"Oh my God if we wait there wont be a good QB left"

History has not shown that to be true, and the Texans picking based on needing a QB is the absolute worst thing they could do at #1. You only get the #1 pick once in a lifetime hopefully. Use it wisely and take the absolute cant miss prospect, at whatever position.

What if Matthews benches 225 20 times and measures in at 6'4 ?

Trap_Star
12-28-2013, 10:21 PM
It's funny how taking a QB #1 would be a panic pick but taking a RT #1 isn't.

i just wanna know where were all these guys that want a RT@#1 now back in 2006? there was only a handful of us here, including myself, that wanted ferguson @ #1 and he was a LT. no one was crying for o-line then, and that was coming off of a victor riley season at LT in 05.

Mr teX
12-28-2013, 10:25 PM
Panic making the pick?

"Oh my God if we wait there wont be a good QB left"

History has not shown that to be true, and the Texans picking based on needing a QB is the absolute worst thing they could do at #1. You only get the #1 pick once in a lifetime hopefully. Use it wisely and take the absolute cant miss prospect, at whatever position.

That's just it, there is no cant miss prospect....certainly not in this draft. aaron curry was supposedly a "can't miss" a few years back. dude aint even in the league anymore....2006, it was reggie bush...he's panned ok, but it took him years to get to the point he's at now.

Texian
12-28-2013, 10:29 PM
Happy! Happy! Happy! Creating a traders market. OK who will give me 3 first for Teddy? Do I hear 3 first for Jadevon? Get our bids in by 5:00PM. Best BID that includes 3 firsts, the equivalent of or better WINS.

JB
12-28-2013, 10:30 PM
What if Matthews benches 225 20 times and measures in at 6'4 ?

Can he make all the throws and buy time in the pocket?

michaelm
12-28-2013, 10:40 PM
Happy! Happy! Happy! Creating a traders market. OK who will give me 3 first for Teddy? Do I hear 3 first for Jadevon? Get our bids in by 5:00PM. Best BID that includes 3 firsts, the equivalent of or better WINS.

Rep for you. 7 pages and 136 posts in this thread so far, and you haven't mentioned Bortles once.

BigBull
12-28-2013, 10:45 PM
It's funny how taking a QB #1 would be a panic pick but taking a RT #1 isn't.


But his daddy was great so he must be also. Smh


Sent from the future...

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 10:45 PM
Rep for you. 7 pages and 136 posts in this thread so far, and you haven't mentioned Bortles once.

Praise be he didn't , he didn't .


Ps ... anyone know him ? I hope he's ok and not in any trouble where he couldn't mention Bortles .

Texian
12-28-2013, 10:57 PM
Rep for you. 7 pages and 136 posts in this thread so far, and you haven't mentioned Bortles once.

Praise be he didn't , he didn't .


Ps ... anyone know him ? I hope he's ok and not in any trouble where he couldn't mention Bortles .

I am honored that you follow me so closely. How many pages and post for you since you were last a snarky a-hole?

Hey HE you know I love me some .......?????

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 11:01 PM
I am honored that you follow me so closely. How many pages and post for you since you were last a snarky a-hole?

Hey HE you know I love me some .......?????

I hope to be snarky every 1 out of 3 post .

michaelm
12-28-2013, 11:04 PM
I am honored that you follow me so closely. How many pages and post for you since you were last a snarky a-hole?



Exactly three posts.

leebigeztx
12-28-2013, 11:06 PM
That's just it, there is no cant miss prospect....certainly not in this draft. aaron curry was supposedly a "can't miss" a few years back. dude aint even in the league anymore....2006, it was reggie bush...he's panned ok, but it took him years to get to the point he's at now.

This can't be said loud enough. No such thing as can't miss. Aaron curry,robert gallery to name a few. Peyton was a top rated prospect,but people felt leaf had more upside. As much as I like luck,again, rg3 had more upside cause of his legs and arm talent. Luck has been up and down with a avg qb rating,but he's good enough to help his team win double digits again. I'm not comparing bridgewater to luck,wilson,or rg3 because its not like we can trade for those guys. What's here and now is the fact bridgewater is a top 5 talent who also plays qb. He has everything upstairs you want in a qb, can make all the throws,and is very grounded. He's also a gym rat and is mature beyond his years.

Playoffs
12-28-2013, 11:12 PM
Deandre Hopkins ‏@Nukdabomb
Teddy Bridgewater is nice

Marcus
12-28-2013, 11:16 PM
Well OK, tonight is the only game I got to see him play. I guess I won't be too upset if they take him with the top pick, but I really don't know if the Texans think he's the top of their board.

Reading the body language on the sidelines at the end of the game, I'm pretty sure he's coming out.

I'm a trench guy, so it is was it is.

Let the debate begin. :lol:

Honoring Earl 34
12-28-2013, 11:17 PM
Deandre Hopkins ‏@Nukdabomb

No pictures ?

The tarheel LT ( Hurst I think ) broke his leg today FWIW .

leebigeztx
12-28-2013, 11:19 PM
Well OK, tonight is the only game I got to see him play. I guess I won't be too upset if they take him with the top pick, but I really don't know if the Texans think he's the top of their board.

Reading the body language on the sidelines at the end of the game, I'm pretty sure he's coming out.

I'm a trench guy, so it is was it is.

Let the debate begin. :lol:

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Who are your top 5 trench teams in the nfl?

beerlover
12-28-2013, 11:19 PM
This can't be said loud enough. No such thing as can't miss. Aaron curry,robert gallery to name a few. Peyton was a top rated prospect,but people felt leaf had more upside. As much as I like luck,again, rg3 had more upside cause of his legs and arm talent. Luck has been up and down with a avg qb rating,but he's good enough to help his team win double digits again. I'm not comparing bridgewater to luck,wilson,or rg3 because its not like we can trade for those guys. What's here and now is the fact bridgewater is a top 5 talent who also plays qb. He has everything upstairs you want in a qb, can make all the throws,and is very grounded. He's also a gym rat and is mature beyond his years.

Echo that, teammates seem gravitated towards him, he lays the ball out there where they can run after the catch & do a little creating of their own. Players like that, they have confidence in him & he delivers. Notice he seems a little shy, doesn't draw attention to himself, keeps focused on game plan with coaches & hence coaches up his fellow mates. Really good stuff! A treat, too good to be true, something will happen, lol.

Doppelganger
12-28-2013, 11:25 PM
We will see, but all the talking heads seem to have Matthews and Clowney as 1 and 2 best prospects.

Bridgewater is just the best QB.

It is also still December. In December 2010 all the experts were convinced that either Auburn DT Nick Fairley or Auburn DE Marcel Darius were the #1 and #2 best prospects in the 2011 draft. They wrote glowing reports on these two players and projected disgust at any other prospect even being considered in that grouping. Come Draft day, Darus went #3 overall and Fairley went #13. These so called experts heaped piles upon piles of praise on Buffalo and Detroit and chastised those teams who chose to pass on their so called " #1 and #2 prospects.

In case you are wondering, here is a list of the top 13 players who were taken in the 2011 NFL draft.

1. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Von Miller, DE Texas A&M
3. Marcel Darius, DE Alabama
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
5. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
6. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. Aldon Smith, LB, Missouri
8. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
9. Tyron Smith, OT USC
10. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
11. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
12. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
13. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

The players in bold are ones who have already made it to the Pro Bowl. Notice which names are not in bold: Marcel Darius and Nick Fairley...the two guys those same experts said should have been taken before 8 probowl players.

The experts are not 100% correct and should be taken with a grain of salt. Player development is not just about getting the right guy, but also the right coaching, and hopefully no serious injuries.

stingray
12-28-2013, 11:35 PM
It is also still December. In December 2010 all the experts were convinced that either Auburn DT Nick Fairley or Auburn DE Marcel Darius were the #1 and #2 best prospects in the 2011 draft. They wrote glowing reports on these two players and projected disgust at any other prospect even being considered in that grouping. Come Draft day, Darus went #3 overall and Fairley went #13. These so called experts heaped piles upon piles of praise on Buffalo and Detroit and chastised those teams who chose to pass on their so called " #1 and #2 prospects.

In case you are wondering, here is a list of the top 13 players who were taken in the 2011 NFL draft.

1. Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Von Miller, DE Texas A&M
3. Marcel Darius, DE Alabama
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
5. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
6. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. Aldon Smith, LB, Missouri
8. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
9. Tyron Smith, OT USC
10. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
11. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
12. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
13. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

The players in bold are ones who have already made it to the Pro Bowl. Notice which names are not in bold: Marcel Darius and Nick Fairley...the two guys those same experts said should have been taken before 8 probowl players.

The experts are not 100% correct and should be taken with a grain of salt. Player development is not just about getting the right guy, but also the right coaching, and hopefully no serious injuries.

Man oh man, that was a loaded and I mean loaded draft. i know its early but there could be 4-5 future HOFers in the first 11 picks.

Doppelganger
12-29-2013, 12:00 AM
Man oh man, that was a loaded and I mean loaded draft. i know its early but there could be 4-5 future HOFers in the first 11 picks.

Yes, it was definitely a strong draft class. I did not even mention the following probowl players taken after Fairley:

14: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
15. Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
24. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
35. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
43. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
70. Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
102. Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
129. Julius Thomas, TE Portland State
154. Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford

stingray
12-29-2013, 12:03 AM
Yes, it was definitely a strong draft class. I did not even mention the following probowl players taken after Fairley:

14: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
15. Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
24. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
35. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
43. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
70. Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
102. Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
129. Julius Thomas, TE Portland State
154. Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford

Robert quinn was the guy I wanted. Even though Quinn has dominated this year, Im still gladthey took JJ.

steelbtexan
12-29-2013, 12:05 AM
Bridgewater - 19-26, 231 yards & 2 TD's in the first half. Impressive. For someone who said TB looked like Vince Young not a month ago, I'm liking him tonight.. Bridgewater looks to have better velocity and accuracy on his throws than I originally thought.

I didn't watch the game. (Took my wife out to dinner) Can each side give me a summary of how TB played tonight? Also how did my sleeper LB, Denzel Perryman look?

To be fair, (I'm certainly not a VY fanboy) but VY had the game of the decade in a NC game against better competition. Comparing VY and TB's careers is like apples/oranges.

TB will be a better pro than VY ever could've been. Smarter/better work ethic.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 12:05 AM
We will see, but all the talking heads seem to have Matthews and Clowney as 1 and 2 best prospects.

Bridgewater is just the best QB.

After watching him today I can't see him going #1 overall. He's too small. Short (not #1 overall QB height) & lanky. He looks about the size of David Carr & while David proved to be tough enough, imo..... David also looked taller.

The kids talented, but he's got some issues too. Strong enough arm... I saw several bullets that he couldn't get his body into. Athletic, but not elusive. Made some throws he better not throw in the NFL. His receivers bailed him out plenty. Amazing catches, great YAC, turned a few short passes on 3rd down into firsts.

I'm not comfortable with his reading progressions.....

From the highlights I've watched & this game, I'm going on record as saying I'll pump his sunshine if we take him, but I'd rather we didn't.

I like Matthews, Clowney, & Barr better. I'd rather have Manziel, Hundley, Boyd, Mettenberger (I'd actually target Mettenberger) or Bortles.

steelbtexan
12-29-2013, 12:10 AM
You do not have to draft in the first round for a good OL. If the Texans think QB is a high priority, you can kiss your 1st pick OL dream goodbye. There will be a significant decrease in QB talent if the Texans were to wait at the 33rd pick. Not so much in the trenches.

Debateable on the difference between 1-33 QB's in this yrs draft. Depending on a trade up or who falls scenerio.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 12:12 AM
It always amazes me these so called trench guys. Baltimore won lst year because flacco played great,not because the o-line was dominant or d-line was dominant. The giants and packers won with run games in the late 20s and suspect pass pro. The colts won the division with shoddy o-line(can't run) and middle of pack d-line. The common denominator is theguy you can't hide,the qb.

Neither Flacco or Rogers were the 1st QB taken either.

I don't think Bridgewater is going to be the best QB in this class.

Doppelganger
12-29-2013, 12:18 AM
After watching him today I can't see him going #1 overall. He's too small. Short (not #1 overall QB height) & lanky. He looks about the size of David Carr & while David proved to be tough enough, imo..... David also looked taller.

The kids talented, but he's got some issues too. Strong enough arm... I saw several bullets that he couldn't get his body into. Athletic, but not elusive. Made some throws he better not throw in the NFL. His receivers bailed him out plenty. Amazing catches, great YAC, turned a few short passes on 3rd down into firsts.

I'm not comfortable with his reading progressions.....

From the highlights I've watched & this game, I'm going on record as saying I'll pump his sunshine if we take him, but I'd rather we didn't.

I like Matthews, Clowney, & Barr better. I'd rather have Manziel, Hundley, Boyd, Mettenberger (I'd actually target Mettenberger) or Bortles.

I agree he is talented and has a couple of issues. However, from what I saw, I was impressed:

1. He was able to escape pressure and even shown decent wheels to scramble.

2. I thought his receivers actually hurt him a bit, as they have been all year. His receivers in general are pretty iffy and I saw several drops tonight that should have been catches.

3. You didn't care for his progressions, but I thought he did pretty well with them. On one of his touchdowns, he stared down the safety until the last second before looking the other way and firing a bullet to his receiver. Also, notice him at the LOS reading the defense and making adjustments. You RARELY see a college QB doing things like that. Most college QBs run whatever is called and don't have the luxury to make changes. The fact that he is at this point is his development tells me he is ready for the NFL and a more complicated Offense.

4. When the team was struggling, early in the game, I saw a man rally his team and get them hyped up. They looked to him and he kept them calm, cool, and collected. They trusted him as the leader and you could see they fully trusted him.

He reminded me a little of Aaron Rogers when he was playing today.

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 12:27 AM
I agree he is talented and has a couple of issues. However, from what I saw, I was impressed:

1. He was able to escape pressure and even shown decent wheels to scramble.

2. I thought his receivers actually hurt him a bit, as they have been all year. His receivers in general are pretty iffy and I saw several drops tonight that should have been catches.

3. You didn't care for his progressions, but I thought he did pretty well with them. On one of his touchdowns, he stared down the safety until the last second before looking the other way and firing a bullet to his receiver. Also, notice him at the LOS reading the defense and making adjustments. You RARELY see a college QB doing things like that. Most college QBs run whatever is called and don't have the luxury to make changes. The fact that he is at this point is his development tells me he is ready for the NFL and a more complicated Offense.

4. When the team was struggling, early in the game, I saw a man rally his team and get them hyped up. They looked to him and he kept them calm, cool, and collected. They trusted him as the leader and you could see they fully trusted him.

He reminded me a little of Aaron Rogers when he was playing today.

Teddy is a classic WCO QB to me . He dominates the games from 25 yards in . He's fluid with his fakes and screen passes , plus he has quick feet . He doesn't look so good on his deeper throws but I think that's mechanics .

TexansFTW
12-29-2013, 12:30 AM
Alright first off, just because I don't like TB at the #1 spot does not mean i have "outright disdain or hate" for the guy as you seem to think. IF we somehow traded back to the 3-5 spot then i would happily take him.

Anyone with any sort of football IQ knows football is won and lost in the trenches. We're 28th in the league in getting sacks on defense and we might as well not have a right tackle on the field because Newton doesn't do much when he's playing. Look what happened last time we drafted a QB from a small school before we built up the trenches. He sucked. Part of this could be on him but most of the blame lies on the O-line who never gave him time. The crappy O-line completely destroyed his development and confidence. Look at most of the top tier teams in the NFL and you'll see that most of them of top tier O or D lines. Then look at the bears, who arguably have the best Offensive skill positions yet a below average O and D line and you see why they have yet to clinch a playoff birth.

lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.

Teddy F$$kin' Bridgewater!

Whats not to like?

I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

It's funny how taking a QB #1 would be a panic pick but taking a RT #1 isn't.

Preach

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 12:35 AM
lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.



I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

Yep ... McGown is the guy who got the bears rolling .

steelbtexan
12-29-2013, 12:36 AM
lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.



I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

Good enough to get to a NFC championship game before he got hurt.

Injury prone, yes

Very good, yes

TexansFTW
12-29-2013, 12:48 AM
Good enough to get to a NFC championship game before he got hurt.

Injury prone, yes

Very good, yes

Rex Grossman took that same team with the same head coach farther (Super Bowl) if you want to use how far the Bears' QB took them in the playoffs as your grading metric.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 12:50 AM
The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.


I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-29-2013, 12:57 AM
Teddy Texan. I'm on board. :texflag:

leebigeztx
12-29-2013, 12:57 AM
Neither Flacco or Rogers were the 1st QB taken either.

I don't think Bridgewater is going to be the best QB in this class.

In 05, rodgers or smith was going 1st while the other was gonna fall a bit. Rodgers shouldn't have made it past titans at 6. Mcnair had back problems and was eventually traded because of the 50m balloon payment. I don't know of anyone who thought billy volek was the answer.

In terms of flacco, if he doesn't play at a all time great level in the playoffs,they don't win a superbowl. Their o-line was avg at best,but he just kept making plays. Game changing plays. That's normally what's needed to win a superbowl. Your qb needs to play top 5 like in the playoffs. That's why the chiefs,despite the talent accross the board is going nowhere. Every good qb they've faced,their so called top defense was exposed as frauds. You can have the 90s eagles front, if your qb isn't top shelf or have the physical talent to play top shelf,your team is going nowhere.

TexansFTW
12-29-2013, 01:00 AM
I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

1. None of those guys were passed on for the #1 QB and arguably #1 overall prospect in their respective drafts

2. If you want me to give examples of failed drafts I can go look at the past 20 years of NFL drafts and do this with you as well.

leebigeztx
12-29-2013, 01:04 AM
I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

Other than cam newton, I didn't have a qb with a 1st rd grade except mallett and he was 30th. Locker was terrible as a sr,gabbert was avg in a spread offense,and ponder was a rd rd talent physically. If mallett didn't have those maturity question marks prior to the draft,I thought he had 1st rd talent. When he was there in the 3rd,I was hoping the texans would've drafted him.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 10:31 AM
In 05, rodgers or smith was going 1st while the other was gonna fall a bit. Rodgers shouldn't have made it past titans at 6. Mcnair had back problems and was eventually traded because of the 50m balloon payment. I don't know of anyone who thought billy volek was the answer.

In terms of flacco, if he doesn't play at a all time great level in the playoffs,they don't win a superbowl. Their o-line was avg at best,but he just kept making plays. Game changing plays. That's normally what's needed to win a superbowl. Your qb needs to play top 5 like in the playoffs. That's why the chiefs,despite the talent accross the board is going nowhere. Every good qb they've faced,their so called top defense was exposed as frauds. You can have the 90s eagles front, if your qb isn't top shelf or have the physical talent to play top shelf,your team is going nowhere.

None of those argue the point that neither were considered the best QB in their class. Meaning that just because Bridgewater is "considered" the best QB in this class (& I really question what "they" take into consideration) doesn't mean that he will prove to be.

Just because we need a QB & Bridgewater is considered the best, doesn't mean we should take him. I'd just as soon go with Clowney & target Mettenberger, Bortles, or Boyd later.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 10:46 AM
1. None of those guys were passed on for the #1 QB and arguably #1 overall prospect in their respective drafts

2. If you want me to give examples of failed drafts I can go look at the past 20 years of NFL drafts and do this with you as well.

The point is that they would have been better off had they...

just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

It's not about failed drafts... the only way passing on Bridgewater would equate to a fail is if he goes on to win a Super Bowl with the team that does draft him. I don't think he's going to be much better if any than Cutler, Stafford, or Bradford.

I'd much rather get Clowney/Matthews. Clowney will make a big impact on defense playing opposite Jj Watt. Matthews will make a big impact blocking for Arian Foster. With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 10:53 AM
The point is that they would have been better off had they...



It's not about failed drafts... the only way passing on Bridgewater would equate to a fail is if he goes on to win a Super Bowl with the team that does draft him. I don't think he's going to be much better if any than Cutler, Stafford, or Bradford.

I'd much rather get Clowney/Matthews. Clowney will make a big impact on defense playing opposite Jj Watt. Matthews will make a big impact blocking for Arian Foster. With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 11:08 AM
What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

I'm fine with that. I'd pick Robinson if he's better than Matthews & I can't trade down. FYI, I don't say Matthews because of the bloodline or where he went to school. Ourlads (http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-senior-prospects/nfl-draft/2014/2356481) & a few others have him listed as the best player in this draft.

If the best OT in this draft was rated the 10th best player I wouldn't mention him at all.

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 11:15 AM
I'm fine with that. I'd pick Robinson if he's better than Matthews & I can't trade down.

I think what's going to happen is Clowney will have the highest ceiling , Teddy will be the best QB prospect but O'Brien wants a pocket passer , and Matthews will drop a notch or two . A WCO could trade up for Teddy .

IDEXAN
12-29-2013, 11:24 AM
So I didn't see any of the the first half, but saw the second half and I was definitely impressed with Teddy. Who said Teddy Texan, got a ring to it. He's got a real quick release with a strong arm and good accuracy short and mid range, though he seemed to be off target on his longer throws down field ?
Quick feet, athletic, I like him and was pleasantly surprised with what I saw in him last night in the second half. Not short and not tall, I'm thinking 'bout 6'1" and 190 to 200 pounds. But this process is just starting to scratch the surface now, lots of events remaining until the Draft which isn't until May this year.
Last year I remember watching the Senior Bowl workouts, and the one-on-one drills during the week before the game in Mobile, and an OT named Fischer I'd never heard of before from little Central Michigan was making a real strong impression on those watching. So anyway this Fischer guy ultimately ends up being #1 overall in the 2013 Draft, so like I said we are just getting started here.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 11:47 AM
Who's coaching the Senior Bowl this year?

steelbtexan
12-29-2013, 12:03 PM
I think what's going to happen is Clowney will have the highest ceiling , Teddy will be the best QB prospect but O'Brien wants a pocket passer , and Matthews will drop a notch or two . A WCO could trade up for Teddy .

So , would you rather have,

Bridgewater and say Cyril Richardson

or

Clowney/Matthew/Barr, (I dont want Matthews at 1-1), and say Mettenberger at 2-1 or a small trade up to say #25? Give me the latter. 2 great players are better than 1. I would rather take less risk at 1-25 and walk away with a possible generational talent like Clowney at 1-1.

This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

Uncle Rico
12-29-2013, 12:17 PM
Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

He looks like another Eric Fisher. He was one of the reasons why Johnny Football was getting his dick planted in the dirt so much this year. The T from Alabama is much better IMO. Again so lets just mosey All Pro Duane Brown over to the right huh? LOL crazy talk. You only start spending money on OL when you have your QB situation settled, which in case anyone hasnt noticed is far from the fact, its just these Case Keenum nut huggers still holding out hope, or these Nostradamus wanna be's who want to wait until the third round or sixth round because it worked for Seattle and N.E. Nonsensical gibberish.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

Cutler is an overpaid chucker, anyone who thinks he's "real good" is sniffing glue. He's Matt Schaub, only his INTS come 20 yards further down the field, plus his attitude is horrible.

This team cant afford to pass up on the best QB prospect available just because some message board posters dont feel they should go that route. Funnier yet, most of you naysayers probably feel that the Texans go with Teddy B and are just throwing a tantrum. How many other QBs has Rick Smith went to go scout?

O'Brien working with Teddy B will turn this thing around much quicker than going the conservative route.

Texian
12-29-2013, 12:21 PM
What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

After watching Taylor Lewan last night I like him more than Matthews. And I agree, Greg Robinson could be the best OT in this draft.

beerlover
12-29-2013, 12:26 PM
So , would you rather have,

Bridgewater and say Cyril Richardson


TB & CR please sir,



OR

Clowney/Matthew/Barr, (I dont want Matthews at 1-1), and say Mettenberger at 2-1 or a small trade up to say #25? Give me the latter. 2 great players are better than 1. I would rather take less risk at 1-25 and walk away with a possible generational talent like Clowney at 1-1.

This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 12:27 PM
TB & CR please sir,



Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

I'd rather have Gabe Jackson than CR .

I don't even trust Clowney but think he'll do well at the combine . Which of course , depending on where you stand , helps the Texans .

If O'Brien is the guy , he'll take a tall athletic TE pretty high .

steelbtexan
12-29-2013, 12:51 PM
TB & CR please sir,



Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

Honoring Earl 34
12-29-2013, 12:57 PM
I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

The Texans 2002 draft in general stunk . They cut a 3rd round pick in camp and passed on many good players .

JCTexan
12-29-2013, 12:58 PM
I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

We have been down this road twice. We took Carr the first time and Peppers (Mario Williams) the 2nd. Williams turned into one of the best D-linemen in the game and that didn't pan out any better for us than Carr did. I would rather have a franchise QB than an elite level DE.

TexansFTW
12-29-2013, 01:16 PM
With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

I get you, that makes sense. We start next season with Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman. Where can I buy my Super Bowl tickets?? Sign me up!

Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

I agree and repped everything you said. Well stated bro. Madness. Everyone in this message board seems to be obsessed with Cleveland Browns football, which is exactly what I constantly see described in thread after thread.

Talk to a few Browns fans, their football life is miserable.... but at least they control the trenches right?

TexansFTW
12-29-2013, 01:31 PM
I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

The 10% of the time he finds himself in a great situation, he plays great 80% of the time!

Doppelganger
12-29-2013, 01:32 PM
I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

He will be double teamed at the nfl level by higher quality players. As good as Peppers was, how many championships did he bring to Carolina or Chicago? 0. A high quality QB can bring championships, a high quality DL cannot.

bOODRO87
12-29-2013, 01:52 PM
Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

He looks like another Eric Fisher. He was one of the reasons why Johnny Football was getting his dick planted in the dirt so much this year. The T from Alabama is much better IMO. Again so lets just mosey All Pro Duane Brown over to the right huh? LOL crazy talk. You only start spending money on OL when you have your QB situation settled, which in case anyone hasnt noticed is far from the fact, its just these Case Keenum nut huggers still holding out hope, or these Nostradamus wanna be's who want to wait until the third round or sixth round because it worked for Seattle and N.E. Nonsensical gibberish.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

Cutler is an overpaid chucker, anyone who thinks he's "real good" is sniffing glue. He's Matt Schaub, only his INTS come 20 yards further down the field, plus his attitude is horrible.

This team cant afford to pass up on the best QB prospect available just because some message board posters dont feel they should go that route. Funnier yet, most of you naysayers probably feel that the Texans go with Teddy B and are just throwing a tantrum. How many other QBs has Rick Smith went to go scout?

O'Brien working with Teddy B will turn this thing around much quicker than going the conservative route.

Bravo! I'd buy you a beer for this. Pay pal?

leebigeztx
12-29-2013, 02:21 PM
I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

It amazes me you keep bringing up the same scenerio 12 yrs later when they're nowhere related. Just as you bring up that,I can bring up gallery and aaron curry. I can also bring up a lot of other uselesss scenerios that doesn't even apply to this team or situation.maybe you're like a scourned woman,but I can't do anything about that. As I posted earlier,you don't judge players against players a decade later or earlier. Just because there were a series of under or overacheiving players from a school doesn't mean you're suppose to lump those guys together.

This is 2014,not 2002 nor 2006. I'm not gonna compare clowney to williams or peppers because he's not them,he's clowney. Just as I'm not comparing matthews to his dad or jockel. When I see bridgewater and I've watched most of his games,I really like what I see. I'm not buying this next year the qb class is better. I've watched enough of mariotta,petty,and hundley to know that neither of those guys are even close mentally to bridgewater. Winston,whom I do like a lot, is a top notch prospect,but unless you're planning on another 2 or 3 win season,how you gonna get him.

To be fair, there are some qbs I like in the draft this year. I like bortles,boyd,and to acertain degree manziel. You can miss me on mettenburg who has been garbage until this year when he was at least avg looking. I liked murray pre injury. All that said, the texans can sit at 1and take the a top 5 prospect who happens to be a qb. Personally,I think he's top 3 prospect. Barr has a lot of work to do as a pass rusher because he can't bend which means he can't convert speed to power. Don't trust clowney because unlike peppers and williams,those guys where still very productive despite being a top rated prospect. Clowney quit on doubles, didn't even pursue on chip blocks. There were also quite a few games when he was singled and did nothing.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 08:45 PM
This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

Hopefully O'Brien can identify 2 or 3 QBs in this class that can be successful in his system & he and Rick put together a draft plan that will get us one of those guys along with other talented players who can help us out next season.

If you've got a franchise guy, he can make up for the lack of an elite running game, or an elite defense. But it's much easier to build an elite running game & an elite defense.

If Bridgewater was the physical prototype, was a 3/4 year starter at a major program, played well for said program, led his team to good success, & was a prolific passer, I'd gamble 1-1 on him. But he's not. I don't think he's worth the gamble.

& that's what I want to do, work towards building an elite run game & an elite defense. A good QB can look great at times. You give him an opportunity to become great (Brady didn't come into this league a great QB, neither did Flacco, neither did Luck).

Instead of passing on an elite talent like Clowney/Matthews/Barr & gamble with Bridgewater, I'd rather gamble on Boyd, or Mettenberger, or Bortles.

JCTexan
12-29-2013, 08:57 PM
Hopefully O'Brien can identify 2 or 3 QBs in this class that can be successful in his system & he and Rick put together a draft plan that will get us one of those guys along with other talented players who can help us out next season.

If you've got a franchise guy, he can make up for the lack of an elite running game, or an elite defense. But it's much easier to build an elite running game & an elite defense.

If Bridgewater was the physical prototype, was a 3/4 year starter at a major program, played well for said program, led his team to good success, & was a prolific passer, I'd gamble 1-1 on him. But he's not. I don't think he's worth the gamble.

& that's what I want to do, work towards building an elite run game & an elite defense. A good QB can look great at times. You give him an opportunity to become great (Brady didn't come into this league a great QB, neither did Flacco, neither did Luck).

Instead of passing on an elite talent like Clowney/Matthews/Barr & gamble with Bridgewater, I'd rather gamble on Boyd, or Mettenberger, or Bortles.

He was all those things except the major program part, and he took that lesser program to the Sugar Bowl last year and beat Florida. His team went 11-1 this year and that one loss he had what should have been a game winning drive but Blake Bortles also drove his team for a game winner.

thunderkyss
12-29-2013, 09:02 PM
I get you, that makes sense. We start next season with Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman. Where can I buy my Super Bowl tickets?? Sign me up!




We'd also have Boyd, Bortles, or Mettenberger (maybe McCarron) on the team.

BigBull
12-29-2013, 09:16 PM
We'd also have Boyd, Bortles, or Mettenberger (maybe McCarron) on the team.


So the Texans qb position would suck just like it did this year. No thanks.


Sent from the future...

BullNation4Life
12-30-2013, 03:45 PM
Meh, still not all that impressed with Bridgewater. He still is not worth the top pick in the draft...

Blake
12-30-2013, 09:06 PM
Meh, still not all that impressed with Bridgewater. He still is not worth the top pick in the draft...

Care to expand upon your statement?