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dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 04:50 PM
The 1st draft pick has never been as valuable as it is this year, IMO. Disregarding the talent pool, factoring all other known variables, this is a GREAT year to have the top pick. Here's why:

1. New CBA, which severely restrains rookie contracts... Not only will the Texans have an opportunity to grab the top talent entering the NFL, but they can control that player at a very reasonable cap hit for the next five years. Also, because of the lower contract, they may choose a player at any position (other than K,P, FB, or C) without overpaying for an NFL position... Before the new CBA, the amount of money given to the top pick limited the choice to: QB, LT, Pass rusher. No longer is that the case.

2. 3 Day Draft- Now that the draft is spread over 3 days, the Texans will be perched as the first pick, with 24 hours to field offers and review their board, not only for the 1st and 4th rounds, but also for the 1st pick of round two.

3. Quicker draft clock between picks- further makes the 1st pick of rounds 2 and 4 more valuable because of their opportunity to deliberate and also their opportunity to field potential trade offers.


** The Texans need to either lose at Tennessee next week or Washington must win at NYGiants for the Texans to get this scenario... However, even if the Redskins and Texans tie, the Texans will be in a great position. Though they will lose out on 1.1, they will still own picks 2.1 and probably 4.1 (depending on Atlanta) due to the manner by which the NFL rotates picks with teams with equal records.

I realize I am basically dressing up a terd in a tuxedo, but this is what I am left to be excited about as a Texan fan this year.

ziggy29
12-22-2013, 04:53 PM
The 1st draft pick has never been as valuable as it is this year, IMO. Disregarding the talent pool, factoring all other known variables, this is a GREAT year to have the top pick.
I appreciate your enthusiasm about polishing a turd, but the old saying "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" comes to mind....

Lucky
12-22-2013, 04:57 PM
More proof that Smithiak are geniuses.

Marcus
12-22-2013, 05:07 PM
It's just our luck we'd pick the year when nobody is worth that first pick.

So, "disregarding the talent pool" is just about right

JB
12-22-2013, 05:10 PM
For the third time in franchise history, a new coach will be handed a #1 pick... hopefully 3rd time is the charm

IDEXAN
12-22-2013, 05:11 PM
It's just our luck we'd pick the year when nobody is worth that first pick.

So, "disregarding the talent pool" is just about right
Atleast there's more talent than last year, if only marginally.

Vinny
12-22-2013, 05:11 PM
I realize I am basically dressing up a terd in a tuxedo, but this is what I am left to be excited about as a Texan fan this year.

I appreciate your enthusiasm about polishing a turd, but the old saying "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" comes to mind.... nobody knows what ain't shinola better than dalemurphy

76Texan
12-22-2013, 05:15 PM
Atleast there's more talent than last year, if only marginally.

Clowney is definitely a freak.
The question is whether a team is willing to take the risk concerning his character.
Does playing along side JJ Watt and together with Cushing provide the motivation for him to fulfill his potential?

Or maybe there's a team out there willing to take that risk and trade the farm for him?

LikeMike
12-22-2013, 05:21 PM
I am vey sure, that if we get the first pick we will either draft a QB or trade back. I can`t really see a scenario, in which we take Clowner, Barr or Matthews with the first pick.

You don`t have many options to get a franchise QB - so either you think that there is a QB that can be your franchise QB, then you take him. If you don`t, chances are high that someone else thinks, that Bridgewater is their guy - and they will pay a high price to get him.

Marcus
12-22-2013, 05:34 PM
I am vey sure, that if we get the first pick we will either draft a QB or trade back. I can`t really see a scenario, in which we take Clowner, Barr or Matthews with the first pick.

You don`t have many options to get a franchise QB so either you think that there is a QB that can be your franchise QB, then you take him. If you don`t, chances are high that someone else thinks, that Bridgewater is their guy - and they will pay a high price to get him.

I keep hearing that term "franchise QB". What the hell is a 'franchise QB'? Whatever that definition is . . . certainly doesn't apply to this year's crop, I know that.

Or maybe there's a team out there willing to take that risk and trade the farm for him?

Fingers crossed.

JB
12-22-2013, 05:39 PM
I keep hearing that term "franchise QB". What the hell is a 'franchise QB'? Whatever that definition is . . . certainly doesn't apply to this year's crop, I know that.



Fingers crossed.

I don't really think there is either, but espin and other media will be hyping someone so strong after the combine that some fool gm will buy in and there it is.... just home it's not ricky buying in

badboy
12-22-2013, 05:41 PM
I am vey sure, that if we get the first pick we will either draft a QB or trade back. I can`t really see a scenario, in which we take Clowner, Barr or Matthews with the first pick.

You don`t have many options to get a franchise QB - so either you think that there is a QB that can be your franchise QB, then you take him. If you don`t, chances are high that someone else thinks, that Bridgewater is their guy - and they will pay a high price to get him.That is what many are hoping + Matthews could then fall to us. I also like Kouandijo who could develop into a very good LT just don't see him at RT starter next year as I can see Jake.

Thorn
12-22-2013, 05:44 PM
If there isn't a franchise QB in the draft, then get Matthews so we can protect whatever QB we do play with.

LikeMike
12-22-2013, 05:52 PM
I keep hearing that term "franchise QB". What the hell is a 'franchise QB'? Whatever that definition is . . . certainly doesn't apply to this year's crop, I know that.



Fingers crossed.

Well, I don`t watch much college football, so I don`t know what Im talking about here - but Ive read some very high praise about Bridgewater. As high as "outside of Luck he is the best college QB prospect of the last 10 years."

The combine will tell a lot, but of course you don`t take him, if you are not convinced in his ability.

But when you like him you take him, even if you think Clowney or Matthews is the better player - simply because a QB is that much harder to get and more valuable. I am sure the Texans go in this draft wanting to get a QB and hoping, that there is one they feel good about.

And I am sure that there will be offers for the first pick - some team will love Bridgewater or Clowney and be ready to offer 2 firsts and a second for him at the least...

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 05:53 PM
It's just our luck we'd pick the year when nobody is worth that first pick.

So, "disregarding the talent pool" is just about right

That is thinking based on the previous system. Until the 2011 CBA, the cost was so steep for a 1st round pick as the pick approached #1 overall that a top pick was only seen as a good thing to have in a year when there was one or two clear, top players... The difference between pick #1 and pick #10 might total $20-$25 million over the course of a 5 year deal (that's $4-$5million per season on the cap).. No longer... Now the difference between #1 overall and #31 equals about $4 million per years.

So, in any year, it is the team's advantage at pick #1 to weigh any possible option- trading down, drafting any player available, negotiating with players before the draft, etc... and there is zero penalty because the cap number is reasonable and only slightly more expensive than the subsequent picks.

If you are correct, and there is no clear top choice, the Texans still get the opportunity to grab whatever player they most covet without any other franchise dictating their options... Also, they can weigh their prospective selection against various trade down options (which they will certainly receive)... some teams will undoubtedly covet a player enough to offer significant compensation for that top choice.

Again, beyond 1.1, the Texans will also have further advantages in the draft with picks 2.1 and 4.1- beyond simply picking higher than everyone else, though it is not lost on me how much disappointment it took to get into this position... yet, here we are.

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 05:56 PM
If there isn't a franchise QB in the draft, then get Matthews so we can protect whatever QB we do play with.

Possible this year, because the contract would be roughly 5 years/$25 million- a reasonable amount for a RT... However, in 2010, the contract would be more like 6 years/ $48 million- which is much more difficult to justify and manage in the cap era for a tackle- with Duane Brown already on the roster and under contract for 5 years.

Again, this is a much, much better situation than what the Texans had in either 2002 or 2006.

Marcus
12-22-2013, 06:09 PM
Possible this year, because the contract would be roughly 5 years/$25 million- a reasonable amount for a RT... However, in 2010, the contract would be more like 6 years/ $48 million- which is much more difficult to justify and manage in the cap era for a tackle- with Duane Brown already on the roster and under contract for 5 years.

Again, this is a much, much better situation than what the Texans had in either 2002 or 2006.

Assuming what you say is true, then taking Matthews is a no-brainer if they can't trade down a couple of spots.

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 06:12 PM
I am vey sure, that if we get the first pick we will either draft a QB or trade back. I can`t really see a scenario, in which we take Clowner, Barr or Matthews with the first pick.

You don`t have many options to get a franchise QB - so either you think that there is a QB that can be your franchise QB, then you take him. If you don`t, chances are high that someone else thinks, that Bridgewater is their guy - and they will pay a high price to get him.

The Texans must have a clear plan this off-season to address QB in the draft- And, they should necessarily plan and expect to overpay for him (in terms of where he is drafted)... BPA doesn't work when the team does not have a QB. Now, that doesn't mean they must take a QB with 1.1... Instead, they could trade down... Or, take someone else at 1.1 but have a clear plan and appealing plan B, to go get the guy they like later in the 1st round or in the 2nd...

Perhaps they love Mettenberger... And, in their mock drafts he went no higher than 23, as low as 67, with an average draft position of 40... On draft day, they need to have a plan that can get them into the early 20s, even if it is likely he falls to them at 33. That's what I mean by "overpaying". Fortunately, they have the power in the draft order and with a couple compensatory picks to execute any plan they would like without losing the opportunity to build talent and depth elsewhere on the roster.

Frankly, I am relieved that there is not a consensus #1... Sometimes, I think public opinion can have too much influence on a team that finds itself in a position like this... reassessing its organizational structure, its football philosophy, and also attempting to return excitement to the fan base... If there was ever a year for a non-activist owner like McNair to be tempted to make a force a draft pick for financial reasons, branding, etc... this would be that moment... Vince Young would be a Houston Texan this time around, I think.

Hervoyel
12-22-2013, 06:18 PM
We might have Matthews dad on the coaching staff or at least on the payroll by the time the draft rolls around.

I'm for taking him in the first round if we can't get some dumbass GM to give us more picks. I take him and then grab Mettenberger in the 2nd never looking back. Spend most of the rest of the draft trying to sort out the holes in the defense and then search out a reasonably priced veteran QB to compete with and mentor Mettenberger and either Keenum or Yates (new HC's preference).

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 06:20 PM
Assuming what you say is true, then taking Matthews is a no-brainer if they can't trade down a couple of spots.

I'm not opposed to that at all... I don't watch a ton of college football, nor have I done much research on the talent entering the draft, so I don't have a strong opinion yet.

Still, I love the idea of knowing that both tackle positions will likely be a strength on this team for the next 5 years or more... I have liked what I have seen of Matthews this year... My bigger issue is that I am becoming sold on the pro-Bridgewater arguments and really like the little I have seen from him. I want nothing to do with Clowney (too big a risk, IMO, to take without addressing the central personnel issue in Houston- QB)... So, based on early draft discussions, if we don't trade down, I'd want Matthews or Bridgewater.

badboy
12-22-2013, 06:28 PM
Assuming what you say is true, then taking Matthews is a no-brainer if they can't trade down a couple of spots.
Exactly but also with the new CBA, the team can franchise tag a player much more cheaply annually after the 5 year deal and keep costs down. I could see this with Watt in 2015. Another reason for Matthews over a QB is either a second contract or a franchise tag for a tackle much less than a QB.

badboy
12-22-2013, 06:33 PM
Does the lack of mobility + injury of Mettenberger cause any of you doubt on drafting him?

kingtexan
12-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Clowney or Matthews with the #1 pick. I prefer Clowney, because I think we are gong to be in a 4-3 next year and I could see him and Watt being unstoppable.

PapaL
12-22-2013, 07:15 PM
Clowney at 1-1 and QB at 2-1. I also see us switching to a 4-3 next year.

Texecutioner
12-22-2013, 07:18 PM
The 1st draft pick has never been as valuable as it is this year, IMO. Disregarding the talent pool, factoring all other known variables, this is a GREAT year to have the top pick. Here's why:

1. New CBA, which severely restrains rookie contracts... Not only will the Texans have an opportunity to grab the top talent entering the NFL, but they can control that player at a very reasonable cap hit for the next five years. Also, because of the lower contract, they may choose a player at any position (other than K,P, FB, or C) without overpaying for an NFL position... Before the new CBA, the amount of money given to the top pick limited the choice to: QB, LT, Pass rusher. No longer is that the case.

2. 3 Day Draft- Now that the draft is spread over 3 days, the Texans will be perched as the first pick, with 24 hours to field offers and review their board, not only for the 1st and 4th rounds, but also for the 1st pick of round two.

3. Quicker draft clock between picks- further makes the 1st pick of rounds 2 and 4 more valuable because of their opportunity to deliberate and also their opportunity to field potential trade offers.


** The Texans need to either lose at Tennessee next week or Washington must win at NYGiants for the Texans to get this scenario... However, even if the Redskins and Texans tie, the Texans will be in a great position. Though they will lose out on 1.1, they will still own picks 2.1 and probably 4.1 (depending on Atlanta) due to the manner by which the NFL rotates picks with teams with equal records.

I realize I am basically dressing up a terd in a tuxedo, but this is what I am left to be excited about as a Texan fan this year.

Uuuumm no it isn't the most valuable than it's ever been before. That is something you made up because you are excited that the Texans have the first pick, but it's a ton of talented guys just like any season. I haven't heard hardly any experts describe this draft as one of the best ever either. They usually say that when there are two or three top QB's that could all be potential #1 types of picks.

Texecutioner
12-22-2013, 07:19 PM
Clowney or Matthews with the #1 pick. I prefer Clowney, because I think we are gong to be in a 4-3 next year and I could see him and Watt being unstoppable.

The Texans aren't touching Clowney.

JCTexan
12-22-2013, 07:23 PM
Clowney or Matthews with the #1 pick. I prefer Clowney, because I think we are gong to be in a 4-3 next year and I could see him and Watt being unstoppable.

Clowney has character issues and Matthews would be a RT for us. I'm not sure a RT at 1.1 would be a good idea.

aussie_texan
12-22-2013, 08:15 PM
to address the OP.
the value of the first pick is solely with the talent at the spot.

The 3 points you mentioned equate to very little of why the 1st pick is more or less valuable.

I still think there are a number of players worthy of the number 1 pick.

There may not be a luck, manning etc but they are extremely rare

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 08:22 PM
Uuuumm no it isn't the most valuable than it's ever been before. That is something you made up because you are excited that the Texans have the first pick, but it's a ton of talented guys just like any season. I haven't heard hardly any experts describe this draft as one of the best ever either. They usually say that when there are two or three top QB's that could all be potential #1 types of picks.

You are missing my point.

I am speaking of the institutional positioning of the first pick now vs. the institutional positioning prior to 2011. I realize that, at this point, there is no consensus #1 everyone is clamoring for.

I happen to think some of that is simply noise by the media to ramp up interest in coverage, etc... and the information often does not accurately reveal the subjective view of the real, NFL decision-makers that will actually determine the value of these draft choices. I think, with a few exceptions, NFL team draft grades are more varied and distinct from one another than we are led to believe... In other words, an honest poll of NFL GMs would indicate a large spread of draft grades and rankings, even among the top 10 players. From the Texan perspective in 2014, their only issue is whether there are a few NFL teams who covet that first pick (whatever their reasons may be)... and how much to the Texans, themselves, want the guy rated #1 on their list.

In the end, though, we do not (and will not) know how NFL teams value these players... We may have some idea, but those conclusions are based on conjecture, leaked information without a named source, and a lot of misinformation by those same, anonymous people...

So, dealing with what we know for certain regarding the value of the first pick:

1. it will be more valued than before 2011 because of the significantly lower financial commitment.

2. the lower financial commitment broadens the range of player positions that can be selected with that pick.

3. The extension of the draft weekend into 3 days will enable the Texans to field offers for pick #33 for almost 24 hours instead of only 10 minutes- also, they can reorder their board and build a 2nd day strategy around that, and around prospective trades... All of that is objectively true. And, as was true in previous years, they will have that opportunity on the final day of the draft (4th round pick), which is also a good thing.

Texian
12-22-2013, 08:22 PM
IMHO, at this juncture, if Bortles goes back to school you try to trade back and if you can't trade back, you take Clowney and hope he doesn't turnout to be Aundray Bruce.

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 08:30 PM
to address the OP.
the value of the first pick is solely with the talent at the spot.

That simply is not true in the salary cap era... You are saying, essentially, that a player with a contract which consumes 4% of a team's cap has the same value as an identical player which consumes 8% of a team's cap room... Of course that is not true. It is the reason why teams, during free agency, knowingly sign a lesser talent for less money- they view that decision to have better value. Before 2011, teams were trapped into a system that deemed that pick (regardless of the talent pool) worthy of a $50+ million financial commitment... Now, the system still determines the value of that pick, but the determined value is about 50% of what is was a few years ago... hence, it is much more valuable than it would have been prior to the new CBA.

bah007
12-22-2013, 08:34 PM
dalemurphy does have a point about the CBA as it pertains to rookie contracts. I don't think it makes the pick more attractive per se but it certainly makes Clowney more attractive.

He is the surefire most talented player in the draft. In years past he would be a much larger financial risk than he is this year. That could possibly open the door for a trade.

Hervoyel
12-22-2013, 08:34 PM
Does the lack of mobility + injury of Mettenberger cause any of you doubt on drafting him?

Myself I am not worried about it. ACL's get repaired and his season speaks for itself. I'm comfortable with what he's done this year as my basis for selecting him while at the same time I'd be stalking his doctors and making sure everything was on schedule. I know the Texans have a pretty sketchy history of handling injured players starting with 1-1 in the expansion draft all the way up to Ed Reed this season but sooner or later we're going to be on the right side of one of these things. They need to do everything possible to be certain he's coming along the way he should be. If he isn't then I'd start looking at another QB, most likely McCarron.

But if everything checks out with his rehab I'm fine with it. If I do the Matthews in the first round/Metternberger in the second round thing I'm planning on bringing in a veteran to mentor him anyway. He'll be someone I'm ok with starting early on if I have to (but I really don't want to have to).

Hervoyel
12-22-2013, 08:40 PM
Clowney or Matthews with the #1 pick. I prefer Clowney, because I think we are gong to be in a 4-3 next year and I could see him and Watt being unstoppable.

I'm sure people following the Lions said something similar about how unstoppable Suh and Fairley were going to be. It hasn't worked out that way. They are at times everything you would expect and at other times less than the sum of their respective parts and it's not because they don't have enough athletic freaks in the bunch. It's because they have questionable motors.

Clowney is as likely to be a guy with a questionable motor as he is to be the other half of some unstoppable DL. We know what Watt's motor is like. Clowney has done nothing to show that he's that kind of player. Just that he has the ability to be that kind of player.

For all we know he's the second "Mario" we'll take 1-1 in less than a decade.

dalemurphy
12-22-2013, 08:53 PM
Look at this:

2009:
1.1 Matthew Stafford = 6yrs.- $72 million ($42 mil guaranteed)
1.15 Brian Cushing = 5yrs.- $18 million ($10.5 mil guaranteed)

2010
1.1 Sam Bradford = 6yrs.- $78 million ($50 mil guaranteed)
1.15 JPierre Paul = 5yrs. - $20 million ($11.5mil guaranteed)

** If you were a GM with the 15th pick in the draft, how much would you have to love Bradford or Stafford to be willing to trade pick #15 in a package and take on that monster of a contract- In years where there is no stud QB, the disparity is even more remarkable. Look at how much less the financial commitment is only 14 picks later- that ratio is so out of whack relative to the drop in talent that nobody wanted anything to do with the 1st pick.

Here was last season:
2013
1.1 Eric Fisher = 4 yrs (with club option 5th year)- $22 million
1.15 Vaccarro = 4 yrs -$10.5 million

** not only is the dollar figure much, much more reasonable, but the chasm difference between the cost of pick #1 and #15 is much smaller and more in line with likely talent disparity. How could this change not make a huge difference in the value of the 1st pick in the draft?

Marcus
12-22-2013, 08:54 PM
Does the lack of mobility + injury of Mettenberger cause any of you doubt on drafting him?

Not anymore than the durability concerns I have for Bridgewater.

beerlover
12-22-2013, 09:13 PM
Not anymore than the durability concerns I have for Bridgewater.
yeah, he's such a wuss
Louisville junior quarterback Teddy Bridgewater said Monday that he has taken a $10 million insurance policy to protect himself against a career-ending injury.

Bridgewater is projected by many to be a top-five pick in next year's NFL draft. Last season, he attempted to play through several injuries, including to his ankle and thumb.

Bridgewater said he has a high tolerance for pain that came from watching his mother battle and overcome cancer.

"I saw my mom struggle to get out of bed," Bridgewater said. "I saw my mom's hair fall out. As far as I'm concerned, no pain is too tough to deal with."

Bridgewater also said he's been working on his stamina and footwork this offseason by training in the boxing ring in South Florida. Bridgewater said he's been watching video footage of legendary Mike Tyson fights on YouTube.

CharloTex
12-22-2013, 10:41 PM
The 1st draft pick has never been as valuable as it is this year, IMO. Disregarding the talent pool, factoring all other known variables, this is a GREAT year to have the top pick. Here's why:

1. New CBA, which severely restrains rookie contracts... Not only will the Texans have an opportunity to grab the top talent entering the NFL, but they can control that player at a very reasonable cap hit for the next five years. Also, because of the lower contract, they may choose a player at any position (other than K,P, FB, or C) without overpaying for an NFL position... Before the new CBA, the amount of money given to the top pick limited the choice to: QB, LT, Pass rusher. No longer is that the case.

2. 3 Day Draft- Now that the draft is spread over 3 days, the Texans will be perched as the first pick, with 24 hours to field offers and review their board, not only for the 1st and 4th rounds, but also for the 1st pick of round two.

3. Quicker draft clock between picks- further makes the 1st pick of rounds 2 and 4 more valuable because of their opportunity to deliberate and also their opportunity to field potential trade offers.


** The Texans need to either lose at Tennessee next week or Washington must win at NYGiants for the Texans to get this scenario... However, even if the Redskins and Texans tie, the Texans will be in a great position. Though they will lose out on 1.1, they will still own picks 2.1 and probably 4.1 (depending on Atlanta) due to the manner by which the NFL rotates picks with teams with equal records.

I realize I am basically dressing up a terd in a tuxedo, but this is what I am left to be excited about as a Texan fan this year.

Atlanta already has four wins. We cannot finish with 4 wins. The "best" we can do is 3 wins and tie with one other team, Washington. In that scenario, Houston and Washington (St. Louis 1st round) will alternate the first pick in each successive round. So we would get 2.1, 4.1, & 6.1.

If we lose to Tenn next week, we will be the only 2-win team, so we will have the first pick in every round. So to boil that down, no matter what, we will select first in the second, fourth, and sixth rounds. We can also pick first in the first, third, fifth, and seventh rounds by losing, otherwise we will pick second in those four rounds.

steelbtexan
12-22-2013, 11:43 PM
For the third time in franchise history, a new coach will be handed a #1 pick... hopefully 3rd time is the charm

With Rick Smith selecting that HC. Doubtful

leebigeztx
12-22-2013, 11:54 PM
Clowney at 1-1 and QB at 2-1. I also see us switching to a 4-3 next year.

Dunno why people think this. They're built as a 3-4. if they hire o'brien, rick wil suggest dc candidates. He might even bring crennell or pluck mangini.

steelbtexan
12-23-2013, 12:00 AM
Well, I don`t watch much college football, so I don`t know what Im talking about here - but Ive read some very high praise about Bridgewater. As high as "outside of Luck he is the best college QB prospect of the last 10 years."

The combine will tell a lot, but of course you don`t take him, if you are not convinced in his ability.

But when you like him you take him, even if you think Clowney or Matthews is the better player - simply because a QB is that much harder to get and more valuable. I am sure the Texans go in this draft wanting to get a QB and hoping, that there is one they feel good about.

And I am sure that there will be offers for the first pick - some team will love Bridgewater or Clowney and be ready to offer 2 firsts and a second for him at the least...

This philosopy is why the Texans are where they are today.

Derek Carr is the most talented QB physicaly in this draft. I Really..... hope Rick picks a used Carr.

Same philosophy?

Pick the best damn player for once and fix the trenches. My god some people never learn.

PapaL
12-23-2013, 06:42 AM
Dunno why people think this. They're built as a 3-4. if they hire o'brien, rick wil suggest dc candidates. He might even bring crennell or pluck mangini.

How's that stout LB core we have working out? Our front 7 is JJ Watt and that's it.

infantrycak
12-23-2013, 09:37 AM
How's that stout LB core we have working out? Our front 7 is JJ Watt and that's it.

Which could both be said (to the extent they are even true now) in a 4-3.

You want Smith making the play calls too?

Hire the best coach available and let them select the O & D philosophy not the other way around.

PapaL
12-23-2013, 11:28 AM
Which could both be said (to the extent they are even true now) in a 4-3.

You want Smith making the play calls too?

Hire the best coach available and let them select the O & D philosophy not the other way around.

Call me crazy but I'd rather have 3 LBs playing crappy than 4 LBs playing crappy, at least the DL would be able to contain something - which would be better than the nothing we do now.

Did Lovie make all the calls in Chicago or did Rivera/Babich/Marinelli make their fair share of the calls?

My scenario is that Lovie gets the job and goes to 4-3. That's not some far fetched notion. I think it makes Cushing's life that much easier.

We'd obviously need someone with a strong and innovated offense but that's another conversation.

Honoring Earl 34
12-23-2013, 11:42 AM
Ok ... I'll take Kirk Cousins , Ryan Kerrigan , and Chris Baker for the 1st overall pick .

infantrycak
12-23-2013, 11:55 AM
My scenario is that Lovie gets the job and goes to 4-3. That's not some far fetched notion. I think it makes Cushing's life that much easier.

I didn't say a switch to a 4-3 was far fetched. I said you should pick the coach not the system.

I don't care about how easy Cushing's life is, I care about depth for him which is a concern in either system.

bah007
12-23-2013, 12:20 PM
The GM picks the HC.

The HC picks the coordinators.

If the GM picks all the other coaches it takes power away from the HC to control the scheme, so why should he be held accountable for the results? It really can't be this hard to figure out...

IDEXAN
12-23-2013, 12:34 PM
This philosopy is why the Texans are where they are today.

Derek Carr is the most talented QB physicaly in this draft. I Really..... hope Rick picks a used Carr.

Same philosophy?

Pick the best damn player for once and fix the trenches. My god some people never learn.
Apparently you didn't see him vs USC this past Saturday ? He was very disappointing.
And would you people quit naming Jake Mattews as a possible player for the Texans to draft with their top pick. Just for a moment forget his name and that he's from Houston and besides the truth he's probably not as talented as Michigan's Taylor Lewan and anyway neither is not nearly worthy of the #1 overall.

PapaL
12-23-2013, 12:40 PM
I didn't say a switch to a 4-3 was far fetched. I said you should pick the coach not the system.

I don't care about how easy Cushing's life is, I care about depth for him which is a concern in either system.

Are you thinking that if Love is the guy he'd stay with our 3-4?

Easier to find 1 backup for the MLB than the 2-3 we currently need since none of them can stay healthy.

infantrycak
12-23-2013, 12:55 PM
Are you thinking that if Love is the guy he'd stay with our 3-4?

I can't make this any plainer. Pick who you think is the best HC - let him pick the scheme. Don't pick the HC because of what scheme he will pick.

Easier to find 1 backup for the MLB than the 2-3 we currently need since none of them can stay healthy.

Which is meaningless to distinguish the 3-4. It is always "the front 7." You need 7 guys plus backups either way. Go to a 4-3 and you need another DLmen. None of this should determine the system. Either way they have two starting pieces, JJ and Cushing, and 5 spots plus backups to fill in.

Marshall
12-23-2013, 06:56 PM
The Texans aren't touching Clowney.

This might have been true last year, but we don't know what the new Coach will do or if he'll get greater latitude from McNair and Smith with the draft.

Marshall
12-23-2013, 07:03 PM
That simply is not true in the salary cap era... You are saying, essentially, that a player with a contract which consumes 4% of a team's cap has the same value as an identical player which consumes 8% of a team's cap room... Of course that is not true. It is the reason why teams, during free agency, knowingly sign a lesser talent for less money- they view that decision to have better value. Before 2011, teams were trapped into a system that deemed that pick (regardless of the talent pool) worthy of a $50+ million financial commitment... Now, the system still determines the value of that pick, but the determined value is about 50% of what is was a few years ago... hence, it is much more valuable than it would have been prior to the new CBA.

I think you're missing the point. Value is the Market minus the actual price. Since the market is similar, but the actual price for picks now is controlled, it creates more value or some would say excess value. As the system matures, the money will tilt back toward the established players in FA receiving greater contracts, but we have to work through the overpriced contracts of the old system which have created salary cap issues first.

Marshall
12-23-2013, 07:27 PM
Myself I am not worried about it. ACL's get repaired and his season speaks for itself. I'm comfortable with what he's done this year as my basis for selecting him while at the same time I'd be stalking his doctors and making sure everything was on schedule. I know the Texans have a pretty sketchy history of handling injured players starting with 1-1 in the expansion draft all the way up to Ed Reed this season but sooner or later we're going to be on the right side of one of these things. They need to do everything possible to be certain he's coming along the way he should be. If he isn't then I'd start looking at another QB, most likely McCarron.

But if everything checks out with his rehab I'm fine with it. If I do the Matthews in the first round/Metternberger in the second round thing I'm planning on bringing in a veteran to mentor him anyway. He'll be someone I'm ok with starting early on if I have to (but I really don't want to have to).

Would you trade 1-1, 2-1, 5-1 and 6-1 for St Louis' 1-2 and 1-15?
Perhaps to be followed by trading 1-2 for Cleveland's 1-5, 1-25 and 4-5?

This would give us 3 first round picks, 1-5, 1-15, 1-25; one third round pick, 3-1; two fourth round picks, 4-1 and 4-5 and a seventh round pick, 7-1.

ps These trades would balance using the old trade pick point value scheme.

steelbtexan
12-23-2013, 08:53 PM
Apparently you didn't see him vs USC this past Saturday ? He was very disappointing.
And would you people quit naming Jake Mattews as a possible player for the Texans to draft with their top pick. Just for a moment forget his name and that he's from Houston and besides the truth he's probably not as talented as Michigan's Taylor Lewan and anyway neither is not nearly worthy of the #1 overall.

I'm not on board with picking Matthews 1-1.

I want that on the record.

steelbtexan
12-23-2013, 09:00 PM
Would you trade 1-1, 2-1, 5-1 and 6-1 for St Louis' 1-2 and 1-15?
Perhaps to be followed by trading 1-2 for Cleveland's 1-5, 1-25 and 4-5?

This would give us 3 first round picks, 1-5, 1-15, 1-25; one third round pick, 3-1; two fourth round picks, 4-1 and 4-5 and a seventh round pick, 7-1.

ps These trades would balance using the old trade pick point value scheme.

I could definitely get on board with this kind of horse trading. Wont happen but the odds of adding 3 impact players and a LB like Skov, Carrethers and Belue in the 4th for example. Would help fill alot of holes on this team.

JB
12-23-2013, 09:24 PM
Would you trade 1-1, 2-1, 5-1 and 6-1 for St Louis' 1-2 and 1-15?
Perhaps to be followed by trading 1-2 for Cleveland's 1-5, 1-25 and 4-5?

This would give us 3 first round picks, 1-5, 1-15, 1-25; one third round pick, 3-1; two fourth round picks, 4-1 and 4-5 and a seventh round pick, 7-1.

ps These trades would balance using the old trade pick point value scheme.

Why would St. Louis want to make that trade?

beerlover
12-24-2013, 12:31 AM
Why would St. Louis want to make that trade?

why indeed?

seems everybody wants to cheat the system in fantasy trade land when they should be focused on nailing picks as they fall. tempting as it is draft picks are now worth weight in gold, especially high ones because you can address an expensive, dire position of need on the cheap. those who want to pass on a Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel in favor of a second round QB like Derek Carr or AJ McCarron are truely drinking the :koolaid: instead of the pure stuff :wesmantexanfan: windows are now 3-4 years before these great players develop, achieve then are due their first really big contract. Just for refresher JJ Watt will be heading into year four 2014 so you better look out & grab a franchise QB cheap so you can pay one then the other in different time frames to balance your cap :tiphat:

Number19
12-26-2013, 08:54 PM
Clowney is definitely a freak.
The question is whether a team is willing to take the risk concerning his character.
Does playing along side JJ Watt and together with Cushing provide the motivation for him to fulfill his potential?

Or maybe there's a team out there willing to take that risk and trade the farm for him?I'd like to trade back - if the value is there. But studying the potential draft board, I don't see many possibilities.

I'd like to get two firsts out of a trade and the only teams which allows this are the Rams and the Browns. With the #2 pick it's unlikely the Rams will trade unless they absolutely want one particular player and are afraid that player will go at #1, either to the Texans or to a team the Texans trade with. The Browns are the only real possibility for a trade that allows us to get value.

The Browns could be drafting anywhere from about #4 to #9, depending on if they win or lose to the Steelers.

The Browns also have Pittsburg's third round pick in this coming draft.

Some reports say that Cleveland is targeting a QB in the first and the one they like is Carr. If this is accurate, and they are picking forth, it is unlikely they will be willing to trade. But if they lose to Pittsburg and slip down the board, and if they are dead set on a particular QB or some other player, they will likely be looking to trade up.

Another possibility is to trade for picks in the 2015 draft. Under this scenario, the value of the picks slip by one round; ie, a 2015 first is valued as a 2014 second.

So unless we trade for future picks, and getting a new HC makes this less likely, I don't see the value there this year unless the Browns are somehow involved.

PS: the only team with an extra second round pick, so far, is San Francisco and this is KC's pick. They will be picking so low and KC's pick will be so low, there really is no value in any trade scenario.

Marshall
12-27-2013, 02:43 PM
I'd like to trade back - if the value is there. But studying the potential draft board, I don't see many possibilities.

I'd like to get two firsts out of a trade and the only teams which allows this are the Rams and the Browns. With the #2 pick it's unlikely the Rams will trade unless they absolutely want one particular player and are afraid that player will go at #1, either to the Texans or to a team the Texans trade with. The Browns are the only real possibility for a trade that allows us to get value.

The Browns could be drafting anywhere from about #4 to #9, depending on if they win or lose to the Steelers.

The Browns also have Pittsburg's third round pick in this coming draft.

Some reports say that Cleveland is targeting a QB in the first and the one they like is Carr. If this is accurate, and they are picking forth, it is unlikely they will be willing to trade. But if they lose to Pittsburg and slip down the board, and if they are dead set on a particular QB or some other player, they will likely be looking to trade up.

Another possibility is to trade for picks in the 2015 draft. Under this scenario, the value of the picks slip by one round; ie, a 2015 first is valued as a 2014 second.

So unless we trade for future picks, and getting a new HC makes this less likely, I don't see the value there this year unless the Browns are somehow involved.

PS: the only team with an extra second round pick, so far, is San Francisco and this is KC's pick. They will be picking so low and KC's pick will be so low, there really is no value in any trade scenario.

If Atlanta gets it's heart set on Clowney and St. Louis is afraid Clowney would be gone at 1-2, then they might consider moving up to the first spot. Trading down is contingent on teams falling in love with a player we are willing to pass on or take. We have to be willing to TAKE the player to spur interest in adding value for the trade.

My trade ideas are not that farfetched unless everyone is satisfied with the options they will have at their current draft positions. If we could trade down and still pick up a Matthews or Barr and then perhaps Manzeil and still have another 1 for perhaps the premier safety in the draft, why wouldn't we?

I'm not averse to a little risk and having Keenum as a fallback if there is a run on QBs. Also, some of those QB hungry teams will go after the Backups or Cutler. making a higher rated QB available later.

I imagine Keenum with Matthews and the return of Quissenbury might actually surprise people, particularly with a new OC. Newton might even be better at guard than at Tackle.

Marshall
12-27-2013, 02:47 PM
I'd like to trade back - if the value is there. But studying the potential draft board, I don't see many possibilities.

I'd like to get two firsts out of a trade and the only teams which allows this are the Rams and the Browns. With the #2 pick it's unlikely the Rams will trade unless they absolutely want one particular player and are afraid that player will go at #1, either to the Texans or to a team the Texans trade with. The Browns are the only real possibility for a trade that allows us to get value.

The Browns could be drafting anywhere from about #4 to #9, depending on if they win or lose to the Steelers.

The Browns also have Pittsburg's third round pick in this coming draft.

Some reports say that Cleveland is targeting a QB in the first and the one they like is Carr. If this is accurate, and they are picking forth, it is unlikely they will be willing to trade. But if they lose to Pittsburg and slip down the board, and if they are dead set on a particular QB or some other player, they will likely be looking to trade up.

Another possibility is to trade for picks in the 2015 draft. Under this scenario, the value of the picks slip by one round; ie, a 2015 first is valued as a 2014 second.

So unless we trade for future picks, and getting a new HC makes this less likely, I don't see the value there this year unless the Browns are somehow involved.

PS: the only team with an extra second round pick, so far, is San Francisco and this is KC's pick. They will be picking so low and KC's pick will be so low, there really is no value in any trade scenario.

This is the time to OPENLY discuss the Texans interest in Carr as well as Bridgewater and Clowney. Make sure the team that desired that player knows they might not make it past Houston. The only way to assure the availability of the player is to trade picks. This is trade craft.

I believe this is why the Texans are making it clear that Bridgewater isn't necessarily their choice.

bOODRO87
12-27-2013, 02:54 PM
This is the time to OPENLY discuss the Texans interest in Carr as well as Bridgewater and Clowney. Make sure the team that desired that player knows they might not make it past Houston. The only way to assure the availability of the player is to trade picks. This is trade craft.

I believe this is why the Texans are making it clear that Bridgewater isn't necessarily their choice.

Please, enlighten us.

JCTexan
12-27-2013, 03:03 PM
I believe this is why the Texans are making it clear that Bridgewater isn't necessarily their choice.

Seriously? The NFL regular season isn't over and the Texans are not locked into the #1 pick yet. They don't even have their coach right now. So what point would there be to say Bridgewater is their guy when the offensive philosophy likely has a say in it?

ArlingtonTexan
12-27-2013, 04:15 PM
why indeed?

seems everybody wants to cheat the system in fantasy trade land when they should be focused on nailing picks as they fall. tempting as it is draft picks are now worth weight in gold, especially high ones because you can address an expensive, dire position of need on the cheap. those who want to pass on a Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel in favor of a second round QB like Derek Carr or AJ McCarron are truely drinking the :koolaid: instead of the pure stuff :wesmantexanfan: windows are now 3-4 years before these great players develop, achieve then are due their first really big contract. Just for refresher JJ Watt will be heading into year four 2014 so you better look out & grab a franchise QB cheap so you can pay one then the other in different time frames to balance your cap :tiphat:


Well, we have 5-6 months of trade speculation. In recent history the worst place to be if you want to trade down is the 1st pick overall. the last one occurred when Eli whined his way from the chargers to the giants in 2004. It is more fun to speculate about a trade that has 10% or less chance of happening, so I am just going to ride it out.

badboy
12-27-2013, 04:34 PM
If Atlanta gets it's heart set on Clowney and St. Louis is afraid Clowney would be gone at 1-2, then they might consider moving up to the first spot. Trading down is contingent on teams falling in love with a player we are willing to pass on or take. We have to be willing to TAKE the player to spur interest in adding value for the trade.

My trade ideas are not that farfetched unless everyone is satisfied with the options they will have at their current draft positions. If we could trade down and still pick up a Matthews or Barr and then perhaps Manzeil and still have another 1 for perhaps the premier safety in the draft, why wouldn't we?

I'm not averse to a little risk and having Keenum as a fallback if there is a run on QBs. Also, some of those QB hungry teams will go after the Backups or Cutler. making a higher rated QB available later.

I imagine Keenum with Matthews and the return of Quissenbury might actually surprise people, particularly with a new OC. Newton might even be better at guard than at Tackle.Another thing that helps Texans is we need so much so hopefully, other teams will go paranoid thinking we want same guy they have to have. Even better is when another team or two wants that player. Desire is what causes people to make decisions they might not should make. Car salesman says "Look I know you want this little beauty but we already have a deal. If you are willing to pay window sticker I can see if the manager will sell it to you." Sometimes it works...

beerlover
12-27-2013, 05:16 PM
Well, we have 5-6 months of trade speculation. In recent history the worst place to be if you want to trade down is the 1st pick overall. the last one occurred when Eli whined his way from the chargers to the giants in 2004. It is more fun to speculate about a trade that has 10% or less chance of happening, so I am just going to ride it out.

It's pretty clear to me NOW who the Texans will target, why wait 5-6 months to begin marketing plan?

Honoring Earl 34
12-27-2013, 05:24 PM
It's funny that we want to trade down because there's nobody worth the # 1 pick .

ArlingtonTexan
12-27-2013, 05:40 PM
It's pretty clear to me NOW who the Texans will target, why wait 5-6 months to begin marketing plan?

In the broadest sense of an answer, it is just in case somebody does offer some wtf offer that they can't refuse.

If you know what direction they are going, you something they don't (nor should) know at this point. May is a long way away.

The Pencil Neck
12-27-2013, 05:40 PM
Well, I don`t watch much college football, so I don`t know what Im talking about here - but Ive read some very high praise about Bridgewater. As high as "outside of Luck he is the best college QB prospect of the last 10 years."

And in other news, Reggie Bush (who's about to get his 2nd 1000 yard season in his career) will be the next Gale Sayers and both David Carr and Joey Harrington are LOCKS to be all-pro quarterbacks.

kingtexan
12-27-2013, 06:15 PM
Clowney has character issues and Matthews would be a RT for us. I'm not sure a RT at 1.1 would be a good idea.

His father played more at guard and right tackle than he did at left tackle for the Oilers.

Don't think anyone would have an issue choosing another Bruce Matthew #1.

bah007
12-27-2013, 06:20 PM
His father played more at guard and right tackle than he did at left tackle for the Oilers.

Don't think anyone would have an issue choosing another Bruce Matthew #1.

I don't think anyone would have a problem if they knew they were getting Bruce Matthews #1.

The problem that most people have is that the RT position could be upgraded later in the draft.

The problem I have is that Jake is being overrated because of who his father is. He's a good, solid prospect with a high floor. But he's not a tremendous athlete and his ceiling isn't much higher than where he is already. Low risk, low reward.

beerlover
12-27-2013, 06:30 PM
In the broadest sense of an answer, it is just in case somebody does offer some wtf offer that they can't refuse.

If you know what direction they are going, you something they don't (nor should) know at this point. May is a long way away.

They probably don't know what the hell they're doing or have been doing for that matter since inception. This is my viewpoint only & not related or connected in any way shape of form to what is going down on Kirby. I would love that chance to help Mr. McNair but ain't happening but what I can do is have some input here, thanks to mods & fellow posters alike, to shed some light on a proper course of action. If Teddy Bridgewater is the next Luck/RGIII which I believe he is, then lets leverage his value where applicable as a clear consensus #1. Then no matter if we select him & finally have a franchise QB or trade him away, we get a kings ransom.

kingtexan
12-27-2013, 06:42 PM
I don't think anyone would have a problem if they knew they were getting Bruce Matthews #1.

The problem that most people have is that the RT position could be upgraded later in the draft.

The problem I have is that Jake is being overrated because of who his father is. He's a good, solid prospect with a high floor. But he's not a tremendous athlete and his ceiling isn't much higher than where he is already. Low risk, low reward.

I just remember the last time we passed on a Matthews. Cushing is a fine player, but based on injury history and overall production, we should have taken Jr.

beerlover
12-27-2013, 06:47 PM
I just remember the last time we passed on a Matthews. Cushing is a fine player, but based on injury history and overall production, we should have taken Jr.

Matthews was our (boards) favorite pick, but despite injuy's, been very pleased with Brian. I look forward to his return 100%. He really helps JJ, they feed off each other :swatter:

Marshall
12-27-2013, 08:33 PM
Please, enlighten us.

I read (I think on the official site) that the Texans indicated that Bridgewater is not locked in. I believe this is a good move to let OTHERS know that they cannot count on Houston to make the expected pick. If someone like Atlanta is considering a trade with St Louis to get Clowney, it's a good idea to let them know he might not make it past Houston. Then they have the incentive to deal with Houston instead.

But if St Louis love the pick themselves, they now have a reason to trade with Houston. Get a bidding war started for those who have zeroed in on a particular player by making it known that Houston might take that player. Create the demand for that 1-1 pick by introducing uncertainty.

Even after we get the new HC, this will serve him well. Even if we fall in love with a player, we are in a position to manipulate the players, make a couple of trades and still get our guy if he's not the same player the other teams want. If we name OUR GUY, then the Rams get the benefit of the trade opportunities.

ArlingtonTexan
12-27-2013, 09:01 PM
They probably don't know what the hell they're doing or have been doing for that matter since inception. This is my viewpoint only & not related or connected in any way shape of form to what is going down on Kirby. I would love that chance to help Mr. McNair but ain't happening but what I can do is have some input here, thanks to mods & fellow posters alike, to shed some light on a proper course of action. If Teddy Bridgewater is the next Luck/RGIII which I believe he is, then lets leverage his value where applicable as a clear consensus #1. Then no matter if we select him & finally have a franchise QB or trade him away, we get a kings ransom.

That's probably where we differ. I think Bridgewater has low chance of busting and is better than Smith/Manuel, but is not the clear total package that both Luck and RGIII were. If you can stomach someone between Stafford and Matt Ryan that's where I think he lands long term, which I think is worth the 1st overall pick.


Also, I think the gap between Bridgewater and the other prospects is not that large although I think the bust potential of all of them is greater than Bridgewater.

Honestly, given the history of what I have seen with this club, at the moment I am expecting to go with less known/interesting quantity so Bortles would be current prediction although I am in no way locked into/going to spent lots of time defending what is a "gut feeling" versus a logical, analyzed process.

Hervoyel
12-27-2013, 09:08 PM
I'm not on board with picking Matthews 1-1.

I want that on the record.

Why? Do you think that the grand jury is going to start calling people in to testify?

Just curious. I couldn't care less what you people think about Matthews at 1-1. Right now that's what I'd do. Wouldn't even hesitate.

Hervoyel
12-27-2013, 09:09 PM
Would you trade 1-1, 2-1, 5-1 and 6-1 for St Louis' 1-2 and 1-15?
Perhaps to be followed by trading 1-2 for Cleveland's 1-5, 1-25 and 4-5?

This would give us 3 first round picks, 1-5, 1-15, 1-25; one third round pick, 3-1; two fourth round picks, 4-1 and 4-5 and a seventh round pick, 7-1.

ps These trades would balance using the old trade pick point value scheme.

Certainly would. At a glance it looks more than fair. I'd jump all over that.

beerlover
12-27-2013, 09:51 PM
I read (I think on the official site) that the Texans indicated that Bridgewater is not locked in. I believe this is a good move to let OTHERS know that they cannot count on Houston to make the expected pick. If someone like Atlanta is considering a trade with St Louis to get Clowney, it's a good idea to let them know he might not make it past Houston. Then they have the incentive to deal with Houston instead.

But if St Louis love the pick themselves, they now have a reason to trade with Houston. Get a bidding war started for those who have zeroed in on a particular player by making it known that Houston might take that player. Create the demand for that 1-1 pick by introducing uncertainty.

Even after we get the new HC, this will serve him well. Even if we fall in love with a player, we are in a position to manipulate the players, make a couple of trades and still get our guy if he's not the same player the other teams want. If we name OUR GUY, then the Rams get the benefit of the trade opportunities.

good point. but Clowney more than fairly resembles his namesake as a clown with repeat traffic offenses which borderline on stupidity given his circumstances. Imagine what this clown is capable of when loaded :clown: hardly the stuff of NFL #1 overall pick, if Atlanta wants him then they belong together....:butterfly:

steelbtexan
12-27-2013, 10:25 PM
I just remember the last time we passed on a Matthews. Cushing is a fine player, but based on injury history and overall production, we should have taken Jr.

Yep

I was even hoping they would trade back into the 1st and pick Matthews Jr. so that the LB crew would be set for the next decade.

With that said, I was happy when they picked Barwin in the 2nd.

If the Texans had the 3rd-5th pick I would be on board with picking Matthews. I believe he has HOF potential as an OG.

Marshall
12-28-2013, 05:25 AM
good point. but Clowney more than fairly resembles his namesake as a clown with repeat traffic offenses which borderline on stupidity given his circumstances. Imagine what this clown is capable of when loaded :clown: hardly the stuff of NFL #1 overall pick, if Atlanta wants him then they belong together....:butterfly:

To maximize value for the 1-1 pick, it isn't necessary to be sold on Clowney, just open to him to get the interest of other teams who are sold on him to consider a trade up. I just read that Mariota might be back in the picture. That means another good QB prospect. There are more QB prospects than teams looking for immediate help from the high rounds, so unless you have zeroed in on a particular QB as elite, they are somewhat fungible.

I'd rather be GM than owner or coach. This is the fun part.

Since we will likely have the 1-1, let's maximize demand for it and drive up the price. If we lock in on any player, the trade offers go to St Louis.

badboy
12-28-2013, 03:56 PM
His father played more at guard and right tackle than he did at left tackle for the Oilers.

Don't think anyone would have an issue choosing another Bruce Matthew #1.He made his most starts at guard (99 on the left side, and 67 as the right guard) and center (87). He also started 22 games as the teams right tackle and 17 at left tackle.

badboy
12-28-2013, 04:06 PM
To maximize value for the 1-1 pick, it isn't necessary to be sold on Clowney, just open to him to get the interest of other teams who are sold on him to consider a trade up. I just read that Mariota might be back in the picture. That means another good QB prospect. There are more QB prospects than teams looking for immediate help from the high rounds, so unless you have zeroed in on a particular QB as elite, they are somewhat fungible.

I'd rather be GM than owner or coach. This is the fun part.

Since we will likely have the 1-1, let's maximize demand for it and drive up the price. If we lock in on any player, the trade offers go to St Louis.I wish I felt more confident that Texans will be able to make the most out of this off seasons choice's.

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