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12-18-2013, 01:07 PM
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1.Teddy Bridgewater*Houston Texans (2-12)
COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 220POS: QB
Analysis: This is a tough call right off the bat. I have Bridgewater ranked as the top quarterback prospect in this class, but just ninth overall. The question for the Texans is going to be this: Do you have a player at another position who grades out considerably higher? (Possibilities include Texas A&M OT Jake Matthews or South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney.) Because if not, given their need at QB and the importance of that position, my guess is that they'd talk themselves into taking Bridgewater -- or whichever QB ranks highest on their board in May.

Bridgewater has great football intelligence, is mentally and physically tough, and has proved he can beat opponents from inside the pocket; he can read defenses, has a quick release and is very accurate. If he isn't the top overall pick, it'll be because of questions about his durability. He'll also need to hold off UCF quarterback Blake Bortles during the draft process. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater but does have a higher ceiling.


2.Jake MatthewsSt. Louis Rams (6-8) (From WAS)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 309POS: OT
Analysis: St. Louis owns this pick as part of the trade that brought Robert Griffin III to Washington during the 2012 draft. If this year's QB draft class were on the same level as that one, which had two elite prospects in RG III and Andrew Luck, then perhaps the Rams would consider taking a quarterback here. But I think that Sam Bradford can be the guy for them at QB when he's healthy, which is why they have to place a huge priority on keeping Bradford upright.

Enter Matthews, who has the pedigree, work ethic, durability and skills as both a run- and pass-blocker to be a very good player for St. Louis. He has the versatility to be plugged in at right tackle on day one opposite Jake Long, and to eventually replace Long at left tackle. With a healthy Bradford and improved offensive line, the Rams could be really good next season.

3.Blake Bortles*Oakland Raiders (4-10)
COLLEGE: UCFAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 228POS: QB

Analysis: The Raiders need to upgrade at the QB position, and even though he isn't the most well-known prospect, Bortles has the potential to be a top-10 pick. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if he ends up going ahead of Bridgewater.

Bortles has good size, arm strength and accuracy, and has proved he can win from inside the pocket. He also possesses good character and a strong football IQ. A nice bonus is that he's built to last in the NFL because he's big and mobile enough to move around. He isn't Cam Newton, but more of a cross between Joe Flacco and Ben Roethlisberger.

4.Johnny Manziel*Jacksonville Jaguars (4-10)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: QB
Analysis: This will be a tough decision. Jaguars head coach Gus Bradley is hoping to find a leader at QB who can elevate the whole team, the way Russell Wilson did with Seattle in 2012. Is Manziel that guy? I think the key for Manziel is going to be how he interviews. Some teams are going to fall in love with his confidence, whereas others will be turned off by him. One reason why I think Manziel fits in Jacksonville is that offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch has proved throughout his career that he can successfully adapt his system to his personnel, which is a must for any team that brings in Manziel, given his exceptional mobility and improvisational skills.

Manziel doesn't have ideal size, but I've been really impressed this season with how he improved his delivery mechanics to get better velocity on his throws, and his improvement at going through his progressions. If he can continue to develop in the NFL, he has a chance to be really good.


5.Jadeveon Clowney*Atlanta Falcons (4-10)
COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 258POS: DE
Analysis: The Falcons are in dire need of an edge rusher, and in this scenario they'll get one in the form of our No. 1-ranked prospect in the draft. There's something of a gamble involved with Clowney in that his motor ran hot and cold toward the end of the season, but he isn't a bad kid and he has the potential to develop into a double-digit sack guy, a three-down lineman and a dominant player overall. I see a lot of Julius Peppers in him; Peppers hasn't always given the best effort, but I don't know of many teams that wouldn't want him. Clowney's a tremendous value if he drops this far; if it weren't for the number of QB-needy teams picking ahead of Atlanta, he'd go earlier.

6.Derek CarrCleveland Browns (4-10)
COLLEGE: Fresno StateAGE: 22HT: 6-2WT: 209POS: QB
Analysis: Quarterback is the Browns' top priority. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner wants a QB with size and the arm strength to push the ball down the field, and that's what Carr provides. He is a little bit of a reach here, but there's a lot to like about his game. He had a monster 2013 season (4,866 yards, 48 TDs to just 7 INTs), is very accurate and has great touch on short-to-intermediate throws, has a high football IQ and gets the ball out quickly. He can improve his deep-ball accuracy, but has the arm strength to make all the NFL throws and the maturity and experience to come in and play right away.

7.Anthony BarrTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-10)
COLLEGE: UCLAAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 244POS: OLB
Analysis: We don't know if the Bucs will undergo a coaching change this offseason, but assuming that Greg Schiano is still there, I think that rookie QB Mike Glennon will at least be given the opportunity to win next season's starting job. And in this scenario, there isn't really a QB prospect worthy of the pick here.

That will leave the Bucs with the tough decision of going for an offensive tackle in Michigan's Taylor Lewan or an edge rusher in Barr whom we grade out several spots higher. I think they'd go with the better player in Barr, even though he's not an ideal fit in the 4-3 defense Tampa currently runs. He's an eat-breathe-sleep football guy who is just starting to come into his own as a player, and it won't take him long to bulk up to 260 pounds if that's what the Bucs need from him. Even if he isn't able to play as many snaps as a rookie as you'd want from your starting defensive end, he'd still have an immediate impact as a pass-rusher.

8.Khalil MackMinnesota Vikings (4-9-1)
COLLEGE: BuffaloAGE: 22HT: 6-2WT: 245POS: OLB

9.Taylor LewanBuffalo Bills (5-9)
COLLEGE: MichiganAGE: 22HT: 6-7WT: 314POS: OT

10.Cyrus Kouandjio*Tennessee Titans (5-9)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 310POS: OT

11.C.J. MosleyNew York Giants (5-9)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 228POS: OLB

12.Louis Nix IIIPittsburgh Steelers (6-8)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 22HT: 6-3WT: 340POS: NT

13.Sammy Watkins*New York Jets (6-8)
COLLEGE: ClemsonAGE: 20HT: 6-0WT: 205POS: WR

14.Ha Ha Clinton-Dix*St. Louis Rams (6-8)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 20HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

15.Marqise Lee*Detroit Lions (7-7)
COLLEGE: USCAGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: WR

16.Stephon Tuitt*Dallas Cowboys (7-7)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 303POS: DL

17.Justin GilbertSan Diego Chargers (7-7)
COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateAGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

18.Eric Ebron*Green Bay Packers (7-6-1)
COLLEGE: UNCAGE: 20HT: 6-4WT: 231POS: TE

19.Ifo Ekpre-Olomu*Philadelphia Eagles (8-6)
COLLEGE: OregonAGE: 20HT: 5-10WT: 190POS: CB

20.Mike Evans*Baltimore Ravens (8-6)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 20HT: 6-4WT: 220POS: WR

21.Dominique EasleyChicago Bears (8-6)
COLLEGE: FloridaAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 284POS: DL

22.Timmy Jernigan*Miami Dolphins (8-6)
COLLEGE: FSUAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

23.Jordan MatthewsCleveland Browns (4-10) (from IND)
COLLEGE: VanderbiltAGE: 21HT: 6-3WT: 201POS: WR

24.Scott Crichton*Cincinnati Bengals (9-5)
COLLEGE: Oregon StateAGE: 21HT: 6-3WT: 260POS: DE

25.Morgan MosesArizona Cardinals (9-5)
COLLEGE: VirginiaAGE: 22HT: 6-6WT: 332POS: OT

26.Darqueze DennardNew England Patriots (10-4)
COLLEGE: Michigan StateAGE: 22HT: 5-11WT: 189POS: CB

27.Kelvin Benjamin*Carolina Panthers (10-4)
COLLEGE: FSUAGE: 22HT: 6-4WT: 233POS: WR

28.Ra'Shede HagemanSan Francisco 49ers (10-4)
COLLEGE: MinnesotaAGE: 23HT: 6-5WT: 307POS: DT

29.Marcus Roberson*New Orleans Saints (10-4)
COLLEGE: FloridaAGE: 21HT: 5-11WT: 195POS: CB

30.Paul Richardson*Kansas City Chiefs (11-3)
COLLEGE: ColoradoAGE: 21HT: 6-1WT: 170POS: WR

31.Zack MartinDenver Broncos (11-3)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 23HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

32.Antonio Richardson*Seattle Seahawks (12-2)
COLLEGE: TennesseeAGE: 21HT: 6-6WT: 330POS: OT

Hervoyel
12-18-2013, 01:15 PM
I like it. I just flip 1 & 2 around and take Matthews. Then I grab Mettenberger with the 2nd round pick and I'm done on offense for this year.

infantrycak
12-18-2013, 01:35 PM
I like it. I just flip 1 & 2 around and take Matthews. Then I grab Mettenberger with the 2nd round pick and I'm done on offense for this year.

As WolverineFan said in another thread why not take Bridgewater or Bortles 1st and then a RT 2nd?

Bridgewater is not Luck but Matthews is not Pace or Boselli either.

Hervoyel
12-18-2013, 01:39 PM
As WolverineFan said in another thread why not take Bridgewater or Bortles 1st and then a RT 2nd?

Bridgewater is not Luck but Matthews is not Pace or Boselli either.

Which one is closer to that standard though? I think Matthews has a better chance of approaching Boselli than Bridgewater has of getting within spitting distance of Luck.

I'm hoping we get to deal out of the top spot and pick up a few extra picks along the way but if we don't then that's how I would do it.

infantrycak
12-18-2013, 01:49 PM
Which one is closer to that standard though? I think Matthews has a better chance of approaching Boselli than Bridgewater has of getting within spitting distance of Luck.

I'm hoping we get to deal out of the top spot and pick up a few extra picks along the way but if we don't then that's how I would do it.

Well the real question isn't two unattainables, it is the drop off in what is attainable.

So we have no Luck or Boselli in this draft. What is the drop off from Bridgewater/Bortles to Mettenberger v. Matthews to an Erving or Richardson?

There are rare exceptions but usually the drop off on QBs is a cliff whereas the drop off on OT's is a relative gentle slope. We're talking about getting another guy akin to Duane Brown v. getting one like Brock Osweiller, Jimmy Clauson, Pat White, etc. Virtually every year there are OTs taken after the top of the 2nd who pan out while only once in a while do the QBs pan out.

Brandon420tx
12-18-2013, 06:25 PM
Or we could pull a Browns and draft an OT first then trade back into the back end of the first. Joe Thomas was a good pick. Brady Quinn who was expected to go top 10 that draft welll .....

bash
12-20-2013, 01:41 PM
Taken from: (http://www.reddit.com/r/falcons/comments/1t7q0r/for_those_without_insider_here_is_mcshays_mock/)


1 Houston Texans: Teddy Bridgewater* QB Louisville
2 St. Louis Rams: Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
3 Oakland Raiders: Blake Bortles* QB UCF
4 Jacksonville Jaguars: Johnny Manziel* QB Texas A&M
5 Atlanta Falcons: Jadeveon Clowney* DE South Carolina
6 Cleveland Browns: Derek Carr QB Fresno State
7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Anthony Barr OLB UCLA
8 Minnesota Vikings: Khalil Mack OLB Buffalo
9 Buffalo Bills: Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
10 Tennessee Titans: Cyrus Kouandjio* OT Alabama
11 New York Giants: C.J. Mosley OLB Alabama
12 Pittsburgh Steelers: Louis Nix III NT Notre Dame
13 New York Jets: Sammy Watkins* WR Clemson
14 St. Louis Rams: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix* S Alabama
15 Detroit Lions: Marqise Lee* WR USC
16 Dallas Cowboys: Stephon Tuitt* DL Notre Dame
17 San Diego Chargers: Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
18 Green Bay Packers: Eric Ebron* TE UNC
19 Philadelphia Eagles: Ekpre-Olomu* CB Oregon
20 Baltimore Ravens: Mike Evans* WR Texas A&M
21 Chicago Bears: Dominique Easley DL Florida
22 Miami Dolphins: Timmy Jernigan* DT FSU
23 Cleveland Browns: Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
24 Cincinnati Bengals: Scott Crichton* DE Oregon State
25 Arizona Cardinals: Morgan Moses OT Virginiia
26 New England Patriots: Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
27 Carolina Panthers: Kelvin Benjamin* WR FSU
28 San Francisco 49ers: Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota
29 New Orleans Saints: Marcus Robertson* CB Florida
30 Kansas City Chiefs: Paul Richardson* WR Colorado
31 Denver Broncos: Zack Martin OT Notre Dame
32 Seattle Seahawks: Antonio Richardson* OT Tennesee

badboy
12-20-2013, 01:46 PM
Thanks for posting, it just supports my taking Matthews and a QB in second barring a trade down.

Dishman
12-20-2013, 01:49 PM
Thanks for posting, it just supports my taking Matthews and a QB in second barring a trade down.

What QB in the 2nd though?

beerlover
12-20-2013, 01:51 PM
Thanks for posting, it just supports my taking Matthews and a QB in second barring a trade down.

How so? Your taking a pass on Bridgewater-Bortles-Manziel.

badboy
12-20-2013, 02:07 PM
How so? Your taking a pass on Bridgewater-Bortles-Manziel.Not high on any of those especially at 1-1. Admittedly, my focus on Bortles was late season and when I watched those games...I looked elsewhere. Fans complain about Keenum's playing only a half then want Bortles? Like most if Manziel is highly successful in NFL, I will smack my forehead and groan but if he fizzles, I will do chicken dance. I still think Hundley comes out & my info (as posted) is maybe a second rounder. My thinking as of now would be McCarron if Hundley not there. I think AJ climbs after combine. I remember you posting once that you really liked AJ? In short, Matthews + McCarron better than Bridges or Bortles + 2nd round tackle. I have to include risk as well as play.

bah007
12-20-2013, 02:27 PM
So this QB class is being discussed as deep but with no elite prospects, and yet four QBs will go in the top six picks? When has that ever happened?

bhsman
12-20-2013, 02:28 PM
So this QB class is being discussed as deep but with no elite prospects, and yet four QBs will go in the top six picks? When has that ever happened?

Has more to do with the new caps on rookie deals, if anything.

Playoffs
12-20-2013, 02:30 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103468

bah007
12-20-2013, 02:38 PM
Has more to do with the new caps on rookie deals, if anything.

I seriously doubt McShay took that into account. He just has no clue what's he doing.

The new caps do make a difference, but there will not be four QBs in the top six.

bhsman
12-20-2013, 02:46 PM
I seriously doubt McShay took that into account. He just has no clue what's he doing.

The new caps do make a difference, but there will not be four QBs in the top six.

For what it's worth I agree, but if there was, that would probably play a huge part.

bah007
12-20-2013, 02:48 PM
For what it's worth I agree, but if there was, that would probably play a huge part.

Agree.

The Third Man
12-20-2013, 04:03 PM
You. Don't. Draft. A. Right. Tackle. Number. One. Ever.

bhsman
12-20-2013, 04:37 PM
You. Don't. Draft. A. Right. Tackle. Number. One. Ever.

I think the Chief's grabbing Fisher made sense, but only because of very, very, very specific circumstances.

badboy
12-20-2013, 05:04 PM
You. Don't. Draft. A. Right. Tackle. Number. One. Ever.

You are wrong. If the RT is BPA and fills a high priority need and can play every position on the line and could be a franchise type player, I draft him in a minute. There is huge drop in quality of players in second round.

bah007
12-20-2013, 06:21 PM
You are wrong. If the RT is BPA and fills a high priority need and can play every position on the line and could be a franchise type player, I draft him in a minute. There is huge drop in quality of players in second round.

Same with QB, IMO.

Texian
12-20-2013, 08:50 PM
You. Don't. Draft. A. Right. Tackle. Number. One. Ever.

NOW watching Billy Turner #77 OT North Dakota St ESPN 2. Turner is in my mock 4th RD. Also watching Marcus Williams also in my mock 5th RD.

AGREE NO RT #1 pick or 1st RD in the draft. Wasting a pick.

Playoffs
02-06-2014, 11:29 AM
2/6
1Jadeveon Clowney*Houston Texans (2-14)
COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 258POS: DE
Analysis: Passing up on a quarterback here, particularly in-state product Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M, might be a public relations nightmare, but that would pale in comparison to the nightmares the combination of Clowney and J.J. Watt would create for opposing offenses. Clowney's production dipped this season and his motor ran hot and cold as the season went on, but he is the most talented player in this class and possesses a rare blend of size, strength and athleticism, and Watt could help him develop his technique and discipline.

If the Texans do end up taking a QB, don't be surprised if it's UCF's Blake Bortles over Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater. For starters, while Manziel is more dynamic and Bridgewater is more polished, Bortles has the sturdiest frame, outstanding mental makeup, good accuracy -- both in the pocket and on the move -- and the proven ability to deliver in the clutch. Plus, Bill O'Brien was an assistant under Bortles' college coach, George O'Leary, at Georgia Tech, so that could provide O'Brien with the confidence to take Bortles if O'Leary gives him the full stamp of approval.

2Greg RobinsonSt. Louis Rams (7-9) (From WAS)
COLLEGE: AuburnAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 320POS: OT

3Teddy Bridgewater*Jacksonville Jaguars (4-12)
COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 198POS: QB

4Blake Bortles*Cleveland Browns (4-12)
COLLEGE: UCFAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 228POS: QB

5Johnny Manziel*Oakland Raiders (4-12)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: QB

6Jake MatthewsAtlanta Falcons (4-12)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 309POS: OT

7Khalil MackTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)
COLLEGE: BuffaloAGE: 22HT: 6-2WT: 245POS: OLB

8C.J. MosleyMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 228POS: OLB

9Sammy Watkins*Buffalo Bills (6-10)
COLLEGE: ClemsonAGE: 20HT: 6-0WT: 205POS: WR

10Mike Evans*Detroit Lions (7-9)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 20HT: 6-4WT: 220POS: WR

11Anthony BarrTennessee Titans (7-9)
COLLEGE: UCLAAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 244POS: DE/OLB

12Taylor LewanNew York Giants (7-9)
COLLEGE: MichiganAGE: 22HT: 6-7WT: 314POS: OT

13Marqise Lee*St. Louis Rams (7-9)
COLLEGE: USCAGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: WR

14Timmy JerniganChicago Bears (8-8)
COLLEGE: Florida StateAGE: 20HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

15Louis Nix IIIPittsburgh Steelers (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 22HT: 6-3WT: 340POS: DT

16Eric Ebron*Baltimore Ravens (8-8) ^
COLLEGE: UNCAGE: 20HT: 6-4WT: 231POS: TE

17Ha Ha Clinton-Dix*Dallas Cowboys (8-8) ^
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 20HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

18Brandin Cooks*New York Jets (8-8)
COLLEGE: Oregon StateAGE: 20HT: 5-10WT: 185POS: WR

19Zack MartinMiami Dolphins (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 23HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

20Cyrus Kouandjio*Arizona Cardinals (10-6)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 310POS: OT

21Justin GilbertGreen Bay Packers (8-7-1)
COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateAGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

22Darqueze DennardPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)
COLLEGE: Michigan StateAGE: 22HT: 5-11WT: 189POS: CB

23Odell Beckham, Jr.*Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)
COLLEGE: LSUAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 193POS: WR

24Lamarcus JoynerCincinnati Bengals (11-5)
COLLEGE: Florida StateAGE: 23HT: 5-8WT: 187POS: CB

25Loucheiz Purifoy*San Diego Chargers (9-7)
COLLEGE: FloridaAGE: 20HT: 6-0WT: 185POS: CB

26Davante Adams*Cleveland Browns (4-12) (from IND)
COLLEGE: Fresno StateAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 212POS: WR

27Morgan MosesNew Orleans Saints (11-5)
COLLEGE: VirginiaAGE: 22HT: 6-6WT: 332POS: OT

28Kelvin Benjamin*Carolina Panthers (12-4)
COLLEGE: Florida StateAGE: 23HT: 6-4WT: 233POS: WR

29Stephon Tuitt*New England Patriots (12-4)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 303POS: DE

30Ra'Shede HagemanSan Francisco 49ers (12-4)
COLLEGE: MinnesotaAGE: 23HT: 6-5WT: 307POS: DT

31Jason VerrettDenver Broncos (13-3)
COLLEGE: TCUAGE: 22HT: 5-9WT: 174POS: CB

32Jace Amaro*Seattle Seahawks (13-3)
COLLEGE: Texas TechAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 255POS: TE

_King_
02-06-2014, 11:35 AM
I think over the years I have less and less interest in mock drafts like that where someone is mocking entire rounds.

I find mocks that are team specific much more intriguing because they are usually don't by people who are more familiar with that specific team and it also gives me some good names to look at throughout the draft.

mussop
02-08-2014, 06:47 PM
You are wrong. If the RT is BPA and fills a high priority need and can play every position on the line and could be a franchise type player, I draft him in a minute. There is huge drop in quality of players in second round.

I was disappointed in browns play last year. I would not hate it at all if we took the best OT at 1.1. But it wouldn't be Mathews. It would be Robinson.

Uncle Rico
02-08-2014, 06:54 PM
So the All Pro Duane Brown has a bad year, with nagging injuries and just like that kick him to the curb? Thank God some of you dont run the franchise.

mussop
02-09-2014, 12:40 AM
So the All Pro Duane Brown has a bad year, with nagging injuries and just like that kick him to the curb? Thank God some of you dont run the franchise.

Did I say anything about kicking him to the curb. You sure make a lot of assumptions. Usually far fetched ones.

thunderkyss
02-09-2014, 08:57 AM
You. Don't. Draft. A. Right. Tackle. Number. One. Ever.

Agree. Almost kinda.

I won't draft a RT ever. I'm drafting LTs. If I've got to play him at RT... if he plays better than my LT & I have to move Brown to the right side... then that's what I'm doing.

I'm not going to wait for a need to draft a LT, a #1WR, a #1 CB, a pass rusher, or a franchise QB. I'm drafting those guys as often as I can, I can always put them to use.

thunderkyss
02-09-2014, 09:01 AM
So the All Pro Duane Brown has a bad year, with nagging injuries and just like that kick him to the curb? Thank God some of you dont run the franchise.

NFL..... Not for long.

Works the same for Foster, Schaub, OD, Jjo....... Ed Reed, even Andre (but that guy don't quit).

I can play two tackles, two RBs, two WRs, two safeties, two CBs, two DEs... why have one guy that dominates & another collecting a pay check?

I'm also always looking for a franchise QB if I ain't got one.



If we're always fighting fires..... filling needs, we'll always be fighting fires. I want to start setting a couple of fires every now & then.

infantrycak
02-09-2014, 10:04 AM
Agree. Almost kinda.

I won't draft a RT ever. I'm drafting LTs. If I've got to play him at RT... if he plays better than my LT & I have to move Brown to the right side... then that's what I'm doing.

I'm not going to wait for a need to draft a LT, a #1WR, a #1 CB, a pass rusher, or a franchise QB. I'm drafting those guys as often as I can, I can always put them to use.

Yeah, just ignore different skill sets, pay scales, play responsibilities.

thunderkyss
02-09-2014, 11:22 AM
Yeah, just ignore different skill sets, pay scales, play responsibilities.

So you're saying Atlanta shouldn't have drafted Julio Jones (or moved up to get him) since they have Roddy White?

Or that KC shouldn't have drafted Eric Fisher because they have Brandon Albert?

I want the OLine to be better. Shooting for a RT & missing, I'm lucky to get a swing tackle out of the deal. Shooting for a LT & missing, I may still be lucky enough to get a RT, or a Swing tackle.

I understand the positions are different.... but I have no doubt in my mind that Duane Brown can play on the right side. I'm not saying he can't play the left side anymore... only that I'd rather have two LTs even if that means I don't have a RT.

4 years from now, 5 years from now I may have more pressing concerns than trying to pay them both. One of the two may have an injury of some kind preventing them from even playing at an acceptable RT level, in which case my decision is easy. Cut him & draft another LT prospect.

Playoffs
02-09-2014, 11:30 AM
...I understand the positions are different.... but I have no doubt in my mind that Duane Brown can play on the right side. ...

Not always true -- it's player specific. Some Tackles are one sided to play their best. Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert are two who would not switch last year. I have no idea how much dropoff Duane would have at RT.

infantrycak
02-09-2014, 11:54 AM
So you're saying Atlanta shouldn't have drafted Julio Jones (or moved up to get him) since they have Roddy White?

Actually I do think that was a mistake but not because he was a potential #1. In any event, Roddy White was 29 at the time so planning ahead is a valid consideration.

By your rule you wouldn't draft Anquan Boldin who does not fit the conventional #1 WR mold.

Or that KC shouldn't have drafted Eric Fisher because they have Brandon Albert?

First off it is an absolute joke to compare having Duane Brown and having Brandon Albert as being in a similar position. Albert is a bust.

Circumstances can dictate moves. All the top options were LT's or DE's who would be OLB's for the Chiefs and they were set at OLB.

I want the OLine to be better. Shooting for a RT & missing, I'm lucky to get a swing tackle out of the deal. Shooting for a LT & missing, I may still be lucky enough to get a RT, or a Swing tackle.

Different position AND sticking $1000 bet out there instead of $100.

Uncle Rico
02-09-2014, 03:13 PM
Did I say anything about kicking him to the curb. You sure make a lot of assumptions. Usually far fetched ones.

How exactly is giving the benefit of the doubt to one of the league's best LT's over the last few years a far fetched assumption? I would say that thinking a rookie tackle is going to come into the league and play at a high level just because he is a high draft pick is silly.


NFL..... Not for long.

Works the same for Foster, Schaub, OD, Jjo....... Ed Reed, even Andre (but that guy don't quit).

I can play two tackles, two RBs, two WRs, two safeties, two CBs, two DEs... why have one guy that dominates & another collecting a pay check?

I'm also always looking for a franchise QB if I ain't got one.



If we're always fighting fires..... filling needs, we'll always be fighting fires. I want to start setting a couple of fires every now & then.

Thats the difference between a fickle fan and a loyal fan. If you want to continually recycle players and never build any kind of longstanding relationship then there will always be a disconnect between players and fans. Its this little thing called loyalty. Some people have it, some people dont. So if Brown comes back next year and is an All Pro AGAIN, please dont act like you knew he would, or that somehow you had his back.

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2014, 03:38 PM
Thats the difference between a fickle fan and a loyal fan. If you want to continually recycle players and never build any kind of longstanding relationship then there will always be a disconnect between players and fans. Its this little thing called loyalty. Some people have it, some people dont. So if Brown comes back next year and is an All Pro AGAIN, please dont act like you knew he would, or that somehow you had his back.

Interesting take, I would say I am loyal to whoever wears the Jersey for as long as they wear the jersey and when they move on, oh well, on to supporting the next jersey wearer.

That is being a loyal fan to the team. There are plenty of fans, loyal to players who crap all over the team.

Players, generally aren't playing here out of loyalty, they are playing here for a paycheck and opportunity. The team is paying them out of loyalty, they are paying them because they believe they can help the organisation achieve its goals. When the mutual benefit expires, one side will move on.

Fans, are just people who commit to rooting for those business relationships to bring us entertainment.

I know there can be exceptions to that rule, AJ perhaps would be one, but really, a lot of us are rooting for laundry.

Marshall
02-09-2014, 03:54 PM
Interesting take, I would say I am loyal to whoever wears the Jersey for as long as they wear the jersey and when they move on, oh well, on to supporting the next jersey wearer.

That is being a loyal fan to the team. There are plenty of fans, loyal to players who crap all over the team.

Players, generally aren't playing here out of loyalty, they are playing here for a paycheck and opportunity. The team is paying them out of loyalty, they are paying them because they believe they can help the organisation achieve its goals. When the mutual benefit expires, one side will move on.

Fans, are just people who commit to rooting for those business relationships to bring us entertainment.

I know there can be exceptions to that rule, AJ perhaps would be one, but really, a lot of us are rooting for laundry.

Some would call that routing for the laundry. In fact, that's what I called it when the Astros eliminated all players acquired under Purpora when Wade took over.

I called their utter failure the day they hired Wade (2006) and projected a ten year absence from being competitive. I'm right on track. Some people are just not right for the job. He was still trying to make the Phillies winners instead of making the Astros winners.

Uncle Rico
02-09-2014, 03:56 PM
Interesting take, I would say I am loyal to whoever wears the Jersey for as long as they wear the jersey and when they move on, oh well, on to supporting the next jersey wearer.

That is being a loyal fan to the team. There are plenty of fans, loyal to players who crap all over the team.

Players, generally aren't playing here out of loyalty, they are playing here for a paycheck and opportunity. The team is paying them out of loyalty, they are paying them because they believe they can help the organisation achieve its goals. When the mutual benefit expires, one side will move on.

Fans, are just people who commit to rooting for those business relationships to bring us entertainment.

I know there can be exceptions to that rule, AJ perhaps would be one, but really, a lot of us are rooting for laundry.

Thats the 'win at all cost' mentality. Houston fans are snakebit, and starved for a winner so much so that they will trash players and boo injured guys on the field, and forget that some of these guys are giving their all to bring that winner to this city at the expense of their physical well being and possible life long repercussions hence the amount of money they get paid. Shoot any one of us could have been pro ball players if we would have put in the work and built up our bodies, practiced the craft, ran fast, hit hard etc... You say they only play for a paycheck, but as a fan I would hope that they are playing to become a champion, isnt that what they all say? Fans sometimes get upset because these guys get paid so much and whenever they start to break down, or have a down year, they jump on them and forget all they have done. I cant speak for everyone, but I look at the body of work, and funny that you mention AJ because there were plenty of people here who would care less if he went on to another team to try and win a ring, gets hurt or retires a Texan .."what have you done for me lately" is such a ****ty way to go about life.

thunderkyss
02-09-2014, 04:33 PM
So if Brown comes back next year and is an All Pro AGAIN, please dont act like you knew he would, or that somehow you had his back.

What??

I'm not saying cut the man. I'm saying draft a potential LT. Let him compete with Duane for the LT spot. If he's better, he gets the job..... if he's not, he can compete for the right side. I'd expect a first/second rounder to beat whatever we've got at the right side right now.

I don't want to draft a guy & tell him.... that's the best it's going to get for you... RT. I want him to push the man playing LT, I want him to have a reason to want to get better. Whether it's us giving him his second contract, or another team.

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2014, 04:35 PM
Thats the 'win at all cost' mentality. Houston fans are snakebit, and starved for a winner so much so that they will trash players and boo injured guys on the field, and forget that some of these guys are giving their all to bring that winner to this city at the expense of their physical well being and possible life long repercussions hence the amount of money they get paid.

Cheering for injuries, doesn't make you a bad fan, it makes you a bad human being.

Playoffs
03-06-2014, 11:55 AM
3/06 Mock (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&source=todd-mcshay-mock-draft&version=3)
1Blake BortlesHouston Texans (2-14)COLLEGE: UCFAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB
Analysis: This is just as hard a decision for this mock draft as it was for my first back in December. I still have Clowney as the No. 1 player and Bridgewater as the No. 1 QB on my board, but I consider Bortles to be the likeliest choice. He has the prototypical size and mental makeup that Houston is looking for, and my guess is that his weaknesses -- consistency and ball placement -- are things that Texans coach Bill O'Brien thinks he can fix. (The fact that O'Brien coached previously under UCF coach George O'Leary adds a layer of familiarity, provided O'Leary endorses Bortles.) I'm sure some Texans fans will be asking about Johnny Manziel, but I don't think he really fits what O'Brien and this new regime are looking for.

2Jadeveon ClowneySt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE
Analysis: If Clowney doesn't go No. 1 to the Texans, the Rams will be ecstatic for two reasons: One, it would drive up the trade value for the No. 2 pick (at No. 6, the Falcons are one potential trade partner); and two, if the Rams don't get a trade offer that makes sense, they'll have the opportunity to take the best player in this draft and transform a good, young defense into an exceptional one. Yes, I know that the Rams already have a very good defensive line (and O-line was an issue last season), but in today's NFL, when you're defending the pass as much as teams are, being able to rotate your D-linemen or move a guy like Robert Quinn inside to rush the quarterback on passing downs would be a huge asset. Second down is the new third down. Greg Robinson is the pick if Clowney goes first.

3Teddy BridgewaterJacksonville Jaguars (4-12)COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 214POS: QB
Analysis: I think that if Clowney drops to this spot, he could be Jacksonville's choice as a guy who could come in and be a difference-maker for that defense, playing something of a hybrid role. But unless Clowney is available, I think the Jaguars will take the best QB available at No. 3. I feel as though Bortles and Bridgewater are the two likeliest options, and with Bortles off the board in this scenario, that means Bridgewater. He is the most NFL-ready and naturally accurate quarterback in this class, and he remains the top QB in our rankings.

4Johnny ManzielCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 5-11WT: 207POS: QB
Analysis: The mantra for the Browns is the same as for the Jaguars: take the best available QB. They'll be pulling hard for Clowney and Robinson to be among the top three picks so they have some choices here, but in this scenario the only guy among our first round-worthy QBs is Manziel. I don't know if he's an ideal fit or if he'd be the Browns' first choice, but I'm not worried about his size or arm strength as it relates to playing in cold weather. If I had to rank the top three QBs in terms of arm strength, I'd go Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles, without much difference among the three. And Manziel's 9 7/8-inch hands are plenty big enough to grip the ball in cold weather.

5Sammy WatkinsOakland Raiders
6Greg RobinsonAtlanta Falcons
7Khalil MackTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)COLLEGE: BuffaloAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 251POS: OLB
Analysis: I think that this choice would come down to Mack versus offensive tackle Jake Matthews. While in some respects Mack wouldn't fill a huge need area, as the "Sam" linebacker in Lovie Smith's defense isn't as important as some other positions, what drives up his value is his versatility. He could cover tight ends when they needed him to and he could also be an impact pass-rusher (something the Bucs lacked last season) when they turned him loose off the edge. Mack is one of the four elite players in this class, and teams need guys like him who can create turnovers.

8Justin GilbertMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB
Analysis: If I were to rank the two or three likeliest teams to trade out of their first-round pick, the Vikings would be right in the mix. I could see them trying to aggressively move up if one of the top QBs (say, Johnny Manziel) dropped to No. 5, and I could see them moving back if there isn't a QB available at No. 8 in an attempt to grab more picks and take a lower-rated quarterback like Jimmy Garoppolo later. But if they stay put, I think the Vikings take the best player available, either offensive tackle Jake Matthews or cornerback Justin Gilbert out of Oklahoma State. I'll go with Gilbert, the top corner prospect on our board who has excellent speed, size and playmaking ability.

9Jake MatthewsBuffalo Bills
10Mike EvansDetroit Lions
11Anthony BarrTennessee Titans
12Taylor LewanNew York Giants
13Calvin PryorSt. Louis Rams
14Aaron DonaldChicago Bears
15Ha Ha Clinton-DixPittsburgh Steelers
16Timmy JerniganDallas Cowboys

17C.J. MosleyBaltimore Ravens
18Marqise LeeNew York Jets
19Zack MartinMiami Dolphins
20Darqueze DennardArizona Cardinals
21Eric EbronGreen Bay Packers
22Bradley RobyPhiladelphia Eagles
23Odell Beckham Jr.Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)COLLEGE: LSUAGE: 21HT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR
Analysis: The Chiefs need to upgrade at cornerback and safety and would also like to add some D-line help, but they could also use some new weapons on offense and Beckham is a good value pick here. He and Oregon State's Brandin Cooks are vying to be the fourth wide receiver in this class, but Beckham is a little bigger and stronger than Cooks, and he's a little more dynamic in terms of his playmaking ability even though Cooks ran a faster 40 time at the combine. He could also help the Chiefs in the return game.

24Kyle FullerCincinnati Bengals (11-5)COLLEGE: Virginia TechAGE: 21HT: 5-11WT: 190POS: CB
Analysis: The Bengals need a cornerback, and Fuller is a guy who turned some heads with his combine performance. The two big question marks on him had been speed and durability, but then he ran a 4.49 40 and, from what I heard, teams didn't come away with any concerns about his durability. He has good size (6-foot) and long arms and proved to be an explosive athlete based on his test results.

25Jason VerrettSan Diego Chargers
26Brandin CooksCleveland Browns
27Morgan MosesNew Orleans Saints
28Kelvin BenjaminCarolina Panthers
29Ra'Shede HagemanNew England Patriots
30Louis Nix IIISan Francisco 49ers
31Kony EalyDenver Broncos
32Xavier Su'a-FiloSeattle Seahawks

Texn4life
03-06-2014, 12:32 PM
I just can't envision a situation where the Rams take Clowney over Robinson. That's a serious case of neglect when they're talking about giving Bradord everything he needs to succeed.

Playoffs
03-06-2014, 12:41 PM
I just can't envision a situation where the Rams take Clowney over Robinson. That's a serious case of neglect when they're talking about giving Bradord everything he needs to succeed.

It's a cop out way of including the very likely scenario that if Clowney is on the board the #2 will be traded away for him.

TEXANRED
03-06-2014, 12:43 PM
If we draft Jake Locker, er, I mean Blake Bortles 1.1 we deserve to suck, along with firing everyone in the front office including the owner.

Playoffs
03-06-2014, 10:50 PM
Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe
In McShay's new mock he has 3 QB's going in the top 4 picks. Not going to happen! There isn't a franchise QB in this class. Good not great!

beerlover
03-06-2014, 11:29 PM
In McShay's new mock he has 3 QB's going in the top 4 picks. Not going to happen! There isn't a franchise QB in this class. Good not great!

I think there is a better chance of 3 OT's going in first 6 picks -

tweet that :wesmantexanfan:

thunderkyss
03-08-2014, 04:37 PM
3/06 Mock (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&source=todd-mcshay-mock-draft&version=3)2 Jadeveon ClowneySt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE
Analysis: If Clowney doesn't go No. 1 to the Texans, the Rams will be ecstatic for two reasons: One, it would drive up the trade value for the No. 2 pick (at No. 6, the Falcons are one potential trade partner); and two, if the Rams don't get a trade offer that makes sense, they'll have the opportunity to take the best player in this draft and transform a good, young defense into an exceptional one. Yes, I know that the Rams already have a very good defensive line (and O-line was an issue last season), but in today's NFL, when you're defending the pass as much as teams are, being able to rotate your D-linemen or move a guy like Robert Quinn inside to rush the quarterback on passing downs would be a huge asset. Second down is the new third down. Greg Robinson is the pick if Clowney goes first.


This is another niggle that I've got on this draft & have had since day 1.

No matter who we pick, no one ever mocks Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manziel to St. Louis.

Bradford has been there for 4 years. He's on the final 2 years of his rookie contract. He'll have a $14M salary & $17M cap number. The Rams are as cap strapped as we are. But no one sees any of the three as an upgrade to a guy who only recently shown himself to be a quality starter.

Obviously no one believes the three to be an upgrade over Sam Bradford. Even at a substantial $10M cap savings. Yeah, they passed on RG3, at that time they'd have lost money on cutting Bradford. Now, they can walk away clean.

infantrycak
03-08-2014, 07:21 PM
This is another niggle that I've got on this draft & have had since day 1.

Obviously no one believes the three to be an upgrade over Sam Bradford.

No, nobody believes they will do it. It was floated several times early on and the Rams have shot it down hard. They are not going to dump Bradford without letting him have a chance after injury. Plus he was having his best season when he went down - highest comp. %, TD %, lowest INT %, highest ypa, ypg & QB rating.

Playoffs
03-08-2014, 08:12 PM
No matter who we pick, no one ever mocks Bridgewater, Bortles, or Manziel to St. Louis.

Four or five elite players in this draft. None are listed above. Rams will trade out of the position if at all possible or go elite if they cannot.

Playoffs
04-10-2014, 11:30 AM
Two rounder (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10760694/2014-nfl-mock-draft-todd-mcshay-projects-every-pick-first-two-rounds&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_MCSHAYMOCK4)
1. Houston Texans: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
There has been some Johnny Manziel-to-Houston buzz in the last few days, but I think this pick will come down to Clowney and UCF quarterback Blake Bortles. The Texans really need a QB, and Bortles has the highest ceiling of any passer in this draft, but I just think it's going to be too difficult for the Texans to pass on Clowney. He is the best player in this class and the most naturally talented defensive lineman I've ever evaluated, and guys like him simply don't come around that often. The Texans will find a good fit for him in defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel's versatile scheme.

2. St. Louis Rams (from WAS): Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

4. Cleveland Browns: Blake Bortles, QB, UCF

5. Oakland Raiders: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

6. Atlanta Falcons: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

8. Minnesota Vikings: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

9. Buffalo Bills: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

10. Detroit Lions: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

11. Tennessee Titans: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

12. New York Giants: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

13. St. Louis Rams: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

14. Chicago Bears: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

15. Pittsburgh Steelers: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

16. Dallas Cowboys: Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State

17. Baltimore Ravens: Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame

18. New York Jets: Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

19. Miami Dolphins: Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

20. Arizona Cardinals: Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

21. Green Bay Packers: Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU

22. Philadelphia Eagles: Marqise Lee, WR, USC

23. Kansas City Chiefs: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

24. Cincinnati Bengals: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

25. San Diego Chargers: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

26. Cleveland Browns (from IND): Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

27. New Orleans Saints: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

28. Carolina Panthers: Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada
The Panthers are in a tough spot in this scenario. Most of the best available prospects are defensive front-seven players, but where the Panthers really need help is at offensive line and wide receiver. Bitonio has the potential to fill the void at left tackle for Carolina, and worst-case scenario he could kick inside to guard and become an outstanding interior lineman. He is a bit top-heavy, but he has surprisingly good movement skills, plays with an edge and battles for a full four quarters every game (he completely shut down Anthony Barr, pushing him around most of the game).

29. New England Patriots: Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame

30. San Francisco 49ers: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

31. Denver Broncos: Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

32. Seattle Seahawks: Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA


Second round
33. Houston Texans: Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh
This pick is made based on the premise that the Texans wouldn't need him to play right away. Savage has very good arm strength, but Bill O'Brien would need to work with him on getting the ball out quicker and improving his footwork.

34. Washington Redskins: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
Kouandjio could be a steal here, but his inconsistency and long-term durability are concerns.

35. Cleveland Browns: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Jean-Baptiste has very good size at 6-3, 218 pounds, and would be a nice fit in Cleveland.

36. Oakland Raiders: Anthony Barr, DE/OLB, UCLA
I don't have Barr ranked as high as some others, but he is a good speed rusher of the edge who could help in Oakland.

37. Atlanta Falcons: Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
Atlanta gets offensive line help with its first pick and adds an undersized edge rusher here in Ford.

38. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
I could see Ealy dropping a little bit, as there is more finesse to his game than you'd like to see, but he can rush the passer and the Bucs need that in their defensive scheme.

39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
I love the match between Garoppolo and the Jaguars here, as they'd be able to develop him behind veteran QB Chad Henne.

40. Minnesota Vikings: Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida State
Joyner is undersized, but he's a big-time playmaker with excellent instincts and recognition skills.

41. Buffalo Bills: Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
After passing up on a tackle at No. 9 overall, the Bills get a good value in James who is a great fit for their zone-blocking scheme.

42. Tennessee Titans: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Tuitt's versatility is a plus in the Titans' hybrid 3-4, 4-3 defense, and he's a good value at this spot, too.

43. New York Giants: Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State
Shazier would finally give the Giants a big-time athlete at linebacker, which outweighs any concerns about his size.

44. St. Louis Rams: Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State
I would have liked to have gotten a big-play receiver for the Rams here, but the best available WRs are more of the possession type. Plus, Bucannon fills a need and has a higher grade.

45. Detroit Lions: Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State
Adams isn't a burner, but he's a really good receiver overall and a great fit opposite Calvin Johnson and alongside free-agent pickup Golden Tate.

46. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
The Steelers have bigger needs, but Amaro has a higher grade than the prospects at other need areas, and as much as I love Heath Miller, they need to get younger at tight end.

47. Dallas Cowboys: Jeremiah Attaochu, DE, Georgia Tech
Attaochu could be effective as a 4-3 left defensive end for the Cowboys. That gives them two talented defensive linemen in the first two rounds, which I think is important for them.

48. Baltimore Ravens: Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois
Ward, our third-ranked safety, is versatile, physical and has excellent ball skills.

49. New York Jets: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
The addition of Seferian-Jenkins, a very good red-zone threat, and first-round pick Brandin Cooks, gives the Jets' QBs a chance to be successful this season.

50. Miami Dolphins: Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
The Dolphins have bigger needs here, but I still think they need to add depth and competition at wide receiver. Landry had a poor 40-yard dash time at the combine, but he is a really good football player who does all the little things right, is a tough blocker and great in the slot.

51. Chicago Bears: Keith McGill, CB, Utah
McGill has great size for a cornerback at 6-3, 211 pounds, and would be a nice addition to the Bears' secondary.

52. Arizona Cardinals: Demarcus Lawrence, OLB, Boise State
Lawrence provides the Cardinals with another pass-rusher coming off the edge.

53. Green Bay Packers: Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
Niklas may not be an instant-impact player for the Packers as a rookie, but I really like his long-term potential.

54. Philadelphia Eagles: Terrance Brooks, S, Florida State
Brooks is something of a reach for the Eagles here, but they need a safety and Brooks brings good playmaking ability.

55. Cincinnati Bengals: Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State
Crichton is a good fit for the Bengals as a high-energy pass-rusher from the defensive end position.

56. San Francisco 49ers (from Kansas City): Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
The 49ers could use another reliable pass-catcher, and while Matthews isn't the fastest WR (he plays slower than his 4.46 40 time indicates), he has good size and strong overall ball skills.

57. San Diego Chargers: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Van Noy gives the Chargers another pass-rusher from the outside linebacker position.

58. New Orleans Saints: Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado
Richardson's inconsistent ball skills make him a risky pick, but he is one of the best route runners in this class and has very good deep speed.

59. Indianapolis Colts: Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
I was surprised Borland lasted this long, but I think this is a case where positional value bumps him down a bit. I have an early second-round grade on him. I'd rather see him as a 4-3 middle linebacker, but he'd be fine at the weak inside linebacker position in a 3-4.

60. Carolina Panthers: Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
Ellington is one of the more underrated receivers in this class, with great hands and acceleration.

61. San Francisco 49ers: Marcus Martin, C, USC
Martin has the potential to be a good starting NFL center for a long time.

62. New England Patriots: Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State

I had a hard time finding a spot for Hyde, and it wouldn't shock me if we don't see a running back drafted in the first or second rounds this season. I get that the Patriots have other needs, but I think he'd make sense because he does a good job of protecting the football and the quarterback, and he is a good receiver out of the backfield.

63. Denver Broncos: Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson
Bryant could struggle a bit with the mental aspect of the game early on in his career, but he is a burner who can really stretch the field vertically.

64. Seattle Seahawks: Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State
Mewhort would be a reach here, but the Seahawks need a right tackle and there's a big drop-off at this position after the first few go off the board. I think he'll be an overachiever in the NFL.

Best players still available:

1. Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington
2. Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida
3. Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson
4. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
5. Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida

thunderkyss
04-10-2014, 12:58 PM
Two rounder (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10760694/2014-nfl-mock-draft-todd-mcshay-projects-every-pick-first-two-rounds&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_MCSHAYMOCK4)

1. Houston Texans: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

11. Tennessee Titans: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville


Second round
33. Houston Texans: Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh

39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois

42. Tennessee Titans: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

59. Indianapolis Colts: Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin





So... how would you guys feel about that? Jacksonville gets Khalil Mack & JimmyG..... Tennessee gets Bridgewater & Tuit.

We get Clowney & Savage.

JB
04-10-2014, 01:05 PM
So... how would you guys feel about that? Jacksonville gets Khalil Mack & JimmyG..... Tennessee gets Bridgewater & Tuit.

We get Clowney & Savage.

I think that would suck big time

Playoffs
04-10-2014, 01:05 PM
So... how would you guys feel about that? Jacksonville gets Khalil Mack & JimmyG..... Tennessee gets Bridgewater & Tuit.

We get Clowney & Savage.

Hmmm, great observation there TK.

Jimmy & Teddy will be running from Clowney. Quick release important. http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/604027-hyt-new-dawn-watchmaking-smiley_running.gif

Hervoyel
04-10-2014, 01:08 PM
So... how would you guys feel about that? Jacksonville gets Khalil Mack & JimmyG..... Tennessee gets Bridgewater & Tuit.

We get Clowney & Savage.

I would prefer Clowney and Mettenberger or Clowney and Garoppolo but yeah, it would be OK. It's not like the Jags and Teets aren't going to get anybody. I mean, they get to pick too. Law of averages says sooner or later they're going to eventually turn the corner too.

To me Savage at 2-1 says OB plans on winning in a couple of years, say maybe "2016" and I really don't want to hear that **** right now. Mettenberger or Garoppolo I think is starting by the end of 2014 unless Fitz just has us winning against bad competition but probably still starts opening day 2015.

thunderkyss
04-10-2014, 01:21 PM
To me Savage at 2-1 says OB plans on winning in a couple of years, say maybe "2016" and I really don't want to hear that **** right now. Mettenberger or Garoppolo I think is starting by the end of 2014 unless Fitz just has us winning against bad competition but probably still starts opening day 2015.

Interesting.

I don't know what to think about Savage. I like that he played in the ACC & not the AAC. I think it says a lot that he was pretty much a walk on at Pitt & got the starting job after having to learn the offense on his own.

I don't know how I feel about using 2-1 on him though. With Mettenberger, Carr, Murray, Fales, Shaw, Boyd, Renner, Lynch, etc... all still on the board. Oh year, McCarron too. I'd really love to see their board if we take Savage there & know what they're thinking... of course that'll never happen. Well, McClain will let us know what they're thinking.

Still, from what little I do know, Savage played well when he played. I don't see why he would be out the whole year, especially if we're not winning.

kiwitexansfan
04-10-2014, 02:20 PM
Just threw up in my mouth a little.

Wolf6151
04-10-2014, 05:17 PM
Derek Carr is available at 2.1 and we take Tom Savage....:choke: This is why I hate these so called draft experts, he's just throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks. He's changing his mock, being more controversial so that he'll get more notice and thus more hits on the company site.

The Pencil Neck
04-10-2014, 06:22 PM
So... how would you guys feel about that? Jacksonville gets Khalil Mack & JimmyG..... Tennessee gets Bridgewater & Tuit.

We get Clowney & Savage.

I'd feel really bad about that. I'd feel uncomfortable with Savage at any time before about the 5th or 6th round.

Playoffs
04-10-2014, 09:37 PM
So... how would you guys feel about that?

I'd feel fine with it because that would be the guy our QB specialist Head Coach had decided was the best hunk of clay for him to mold into an NFL QB. He knows more about this stuff than I do. http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/coaching.gif

badboy
04-10-2014, 10:07 PM
I'd feel fine with it because that would be the guy our QB specialist Head Coach had decided was the best hunk of clay for him to mold into an NFL QB. He knows more about this stuff than I do. http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/coaching.gifWell gee, log out of TT and just wait for game one. lol

Playoffs
04-24-2014, 02:29 PM
2014 mock draft: Picks I'd make (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10826960/2014-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-gives-picks-make-first-round)
The mock drafts I've put together over the past five months have been projections of the picks I think each team would make at that particular draft position. For this one, we're mixing things up a bit. The picks you see below are the players I would choose if making the picks for each team, not what I'm necessarily expecting to happen on draft night.

My colleague Mel Kiper started this concept a few years back with his "Grade: A draft" and now I'm stuck doing the same -- but it's actually a beneficial exercise because it's no longer about fitting pieces into a puzzle, but instead 32 independent and challenging decisions based purely on my own prospect and NFL roster evaluations. And it also reveals some interesting potential scenarios for the draft's first round.

One important note: There are no trades allowed in this exercise. In the situations where I'm not crazy about any of the options available to that team, I still have to come up with a pick.

With all of that out of the way, here are my choices for the 32 first-round picks.

1. Houston Texans: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills lately in having to defend Clowney as the potential No. 1 overall pick. I understand the concerns over his effort, but I feel as though those have largely been overblown, and you simply don't get many opportunities to draft a player this good; he's the most naturally talented defensive lineman I've ever evaluated. The Texans need a quarterback, but even though I think Blake Bortles should develop into a good NFL starter -- and I think coach Bill O'Brien would be great for Bortles' development -- I can't justify passing on Clowney (or any of the top elite four prospects in this draft, for that matter) to take him.

2. St. Louis Rams (from WAS): Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo

4. Cleveland Browns: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson

5. Oakland Raiders: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M

6. Atlanta Falcons: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M

8. Minnesota Vikings: Blake Bortles, QB, UCF

9. Buffalo Bills: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina

10. Detroit Lions: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama

11. Tennessee Titans: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State

12. New York Giants: Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia

13. St. Louis Rams: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama

14. Chicago Bears: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh

15. Pittsburgh Steelers: Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU

16. Dallas Cowboys: Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

17. Baltimore Ravens: Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame

18. New York Jets: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State

19. Miami Dolphins: Marqise Lee, WR, USC

20. Arizona Cardinals: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville

21. Green Bay Packers: Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville

22. Philadelphia Eagles: Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana

23. Kansas City Chiefs: Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

24. Cincinnati Bengals: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
25. San Diego Chargers: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
26. Cleveland Browns (from IND): Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
27. New Orleans Saints: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
28. Carolina Panthers: Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
29. New England Patriots: Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
30. San Francisco 49ers: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
31. Denver Broncos: Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
32. Seattle Seahawks: Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

Best remaining prospects:

Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
Dee Ford, OLB/DE, Auburn
Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech

disaacks3
04-24-2014, 02:37 PM
McShay's been smoking something if he thinks a QB won't be selected until pick #8...and that the next one won't come off until pick #20.

Playoffs
04-24-2014, 03:05 PM
McShay's been smoking something if he thinks a QB won't be selected until pick #8...and that the next one won't come off until pick #20.

As stated, that mock is who he'd select not who he thinks each team would select. Just another way to pump out another mock.

Playoffs
04-29-2014, 12:56 PM
Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd! 5.0 (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&version=5&source=Todd-McShay-Mock-Draft)
1Jadeveon ClowneyHouston Texans (2-14)COLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE

2Greg RobinsonSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AuburnHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

3Sammy WatkinsJacksonville Jaguars (4-12)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 211POS: WR

4Johnny ManzielCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: QB

5Khalil MackOakland Raiders (4-12)COLLEGE: BuffaloHT: 6-2WT: 251POS: OLB

6Jake MatthewsAtlanta Falcons (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MHT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

7Mike EvansTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 231POS: WR

8Blake BortlesMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)COLLEGE: UCFClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB

9Taylor LewanBuffalo Bills (6-10)COLLEGE: MichiganHT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

10Eric EbronDetroit Lions (7-9)COLLEGE: North CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

11Darqueze DennardTennessee Titans (7-9)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: SrHT: 5-10WT: 199POS: CB

12Odell Beckham Jr.New York Giants (7-9)COLLEGE: LSUClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

13Ha Ha Clinton-DixSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

14Aaron DonaldChicago Bears (8-8)COLLEGE: PittsburghHT: 6-0WT: 285POS: DT

15Kyle FullerPittsburgh Steelers (8-8)COLLEGE: Virginia TechClass: SrHT: 5-11WT: 190POS: CB

16Calvin PryorDallas Cowboys (8-8)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

17Zack MartinBaltimore Ravens (8-8)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

18Brandin CooksNew York Jets (8-8)COLLEGE: Oregon StateClass: JrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: WR

19Morgan MosesMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: VirginiaHT: 6-6WT: 314POS: OT

20C.J. MosleyArizona Cardinals (10-6)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 234POS: ILB

21Ryan ShazierGreen Bay Packers (8-7-1)COLLEGE: Ohio StateHT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

22Justin GilbertPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

23Marqise LeeKansas City Chiefs (11-5)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 192POS: WR

24Jason VerrettCincinnati Bengals (11-5)COLLEGE: TCUClass: SrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: CB

25Anthony BarrSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: UCLAClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 255POS: OLB

26Cody LatimerCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: IndianaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 215POS: WR

27Bradley RobyNew Orleans Saints (11-5)COLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 194POS: CB

28Joel BitonioCarolina Panthers (12-4)COLLEGE: NevadaHT: 6-4WT: 302POS: OT

29Ra'Shede HagemanNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaHT: 6-5WT: 310POS: DT

30Kelvin BenjaminSan Francisco 49ers (12-4)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-5WT: 240POS: WR

31Kony EalyDenver Broncos (13-3)COLLEGE: MissouriHT: 6-4WT: 273POS: DE

32Stephon TuittSeattle Seahawks (13-3)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-5WT: 304POS: DE

Playoffs
05-05-2014, 03:34 PM
Here is McShay's latest projection for all 32 first-round picks in the 2014 draft. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&version=6&source=Todd-McShay-Mock-Draft)

1Jadeveon ClowneyHouston Texans (2-14)COLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE

2Greg RobinsonSt. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: AuburnHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

3Sammy WatkinsJacksonville Jaguars (4-12)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 211POS: WR

4Johnny ManzielCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: QB

5Khalil MackOakland Raiders (4-12)COLLEGE: BuffaloHT: 6-2WT: 251POS: OLB

6Jake MatthewsAtlanta Falcons (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MHT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

7Mike EvansTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 231POS: WR

8Blake BortlesMinnesota Vikings (5-10-1)COLLEGE: UCFClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB

9Taylor LewanBuffalo Bills (6-10)COLLEGE: MichiganHT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

10Darqueze DennardDetroit Lions (7-9)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: SrHT: 5-10WT: 199POS: CB

11Justin GilbertTennessee Titans (7-9)COLLEGE: Oklahoma StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

12Aaron DonaldNew York Giants (7-9)COLLEGE: PittsburghHT: 6-0WT: 285POS: DT

13Odell Beckham Jr.St. Louis Rams (7-9)COLLEGE: LSUClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

14Ha Ha Clinton-DixChicago Bears (8-8)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

15Kyle FullerPittsburgh Steelers (8-8)COLLEGE: Virginia TechClass: SrHT: 5-11WT: 190POS: CB

16Zack MartinDallas Cowboys (8-8)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

17Eric EbronBaltimore Ravens (8-8)COLLEGE: North CarolinaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

18Brandin CooksNew York Jets (8-8)COLLEGE: Oregon StateClass: JrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: WR

19Morgan MosesMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: VirginiaHT: 6-6WT: 314POS: OT

20Ryan ShazierArizona Cardinals (10-6)COLLEGE: Ohio StateHT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

21C.J. MosleyGreen Bay Packers (8-7-1)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 234POS: ILB

22Calvin PryorPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

23Marqise LeeKansas City Chiefs (11-5)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 192POS: WR

24Jason VerrettCincinnati Bengals (11-5)COLLEGE: TCUClass: SrHT: 5-9WT: 189POS: CB

25Anthony BarrSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: UCLAClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 255POS: OLB

26Cody LatimerCleveland Browns (4-12)COLLEGE: IndianaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 215POS: WR

27Dee FordNew Orleans Saints (11-5)COLLEGE: AuburnHT: 6-2WT: 244POS: DE

28Joel BitonioCarolina Panthers (12-4)COLLEGE: NevadaHT: 6-4WT: 302POS: OT

29Stephon TuittNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: Notre DameHT: 6-5WT: 304POS: DE

30Ra'Shede HagemanSan Francisco 49ers (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaHT: 6-5WT: 310POS: DT

31Xavier Su'a-FiloDenver Broncos (13-3)COLLEGE: UCLAClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 307POS: OG

32Kony EalySeattle Seahawks (13-3)COLLEGE: MissouriHT: 6-4WT: 273POS: DE