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IDEXAN
12-14-2013, 05:41 PM
This is not an original question on my part because it's a question being asked on a KC Chiefs message Board I frequent (Yea, I'm also a Chiefs fan).
So anyway the player they name most of all is Calvin Johnson, and the one they named second most and the defensive player they covet the most is you know who - yea, our own JJ Watt.
So who would you take if you could steal another player from another team who's a non-QB ?
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Chiefs MB thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=279463

mussop
12-14-2013, 05:43 PM
Watt was the question

JB
12-14-2013, 05:46 PM
If he was healthy, maybe Wilfork..

Will have to think on it for current healthy players. Janikowski? :kitten:

Showtime100
12-14-2013, 05:48 PM
If he was healthy, maybe Wilfork..

Will have to think on it for current healthy players. Janikowski? :kitten:

That was actually my first thought, his health upon his return was my second thought.

sometexansfan
12-14-2013, 05:50 PM
Von Miller.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-14-2013, 05:57 PM
Richard Sherman

infantrycak
12-14-2013, 06:05 PM
Is it at current age? Wilfork is 32. Ngata is 29. Geno Atkins is 25. If so, Atkins.

Playoffs
12-14-2013, 06:05 PM
Hard not to take age into account...

Offense -- Jimmy Graham, Calvin Johnson

Defense -- Geno Atkins(preACL), Von Miller, Luke Kuechly

BigBull
12-14-2013, 06:07 PM
Patrick Willis at inside lb beside Cushing would be sick.


Sent from the future...

IDEXAN
12-14-2013, 06:10 PM
Hard not to take age into account...

Offense -- Jimmy Graham, Calvin Johnson

Defense -- Geno Atkins(preACL), Von Miller, Luke Kuechly
You aren't picking an All-Pro team here, you only get one pick.

Hervoyel
12-14-2013, 06:14 PM
Patrick Willis at inside lb beside Cushing would be sick.


Sent from the future...


This. If I'm going with a defender it has to be this.

If I go offense then of course it's Calvin Johnson.

Or it might be Tom Brady. I know I can't pick a QB but I'm thinking of trying him at safety.

It may not work out though. Might have to change him back...

JB
12-14-2013, 06:16 PM
current players for current team only?

acal21
12-14-2013, 06:48 PM
Im going Jimmy Graham over Calvin Johnson, we have Andre as Texan fans...

Brandon420tx
12-14-2013, 06:50 PM
Luke Keuchly

Texian
12-14-2013, 06:51 PM
Revis

JB
12-14-2013, 06:51 PM
Im going Jimmy Graham over Calvin Johnson, we have Andre as Texan fans...

I don't know man, it's all about the Johnson's :D

Honoring Earl 34
12-14-2013, 06:58 PM
Von Miller

acal21
12-14-2013, 07:01 PM
I don't know man, it's all about the Johnson's :D

i just want a guy that can catch a TD every week... Graham is nasty tho

2slik4u
12-14-2013, 07:09 PM
Earl Thomas.

JB
12-14-2013, 07:13 PM
Earl Thomas.

Yeah I was thinking of him and Patrick Peterson

amazing80
12-14-2013, 07:32 PM
Earl Thomas.

Yup, Im tired of seeing us get destroyed deep because the safety forgets how to play the position....

EllisUnit
12-14-2013, 07:55 PM
Calvin Johnson, could you imagine him and AJ on the same field. It wouldnt matter who the QB was....

Playoffs
12-14-2013, 08:10 PM
You aren't picking an All-Pro team here, you only get one pick.

It's Geno for me. Had to narrow it down.

robroy72
12-14-2013, 08:24 PM
Calvin Johnson, could you imagine him and AJ on the same field. It wouldnt matter who the QB was....

2nded.

Hardcore Texan
12-14-2013, 09:12 PM
Whoever is the best RT in the game.

The Pencil Neck
12-14-2013, 09:13 PM
I'd go Kuechly. Guy's a beast. With Watt, Cush, and Kuechly, we'd be sick on defense.

HouSportsWriter
12-14-2013, 09:37 PM
For quickest improvement,
RT Eric Winston

Overall Best Player,
WR Calvin Johnson

BetaV1
12-14-2013, 09:53 PM
Earl Thomas. All the talk of Graham and Calvin being on the same field is rather nice, but there are a lot of times when Johnson is open by himself and the QB's still don't get him the ball. Without a viable passer on the roster, it makes no sense to overpay for talent we won't ever use to their potential. It would be like trying to shoot a nuclear missile from a 18th century cannon.

eriadoc
12-14-2013, 09:54 PM
Best offensive player in the league is Calvin Johnson, so have to pick him. On defense, I actually think the best impact for our team would be a badass NT. So one of those, maybe.

TheIronDuke
12-14-2013, 10:02 PM
Dontari Poe

Seegara
12-14-2013, 10:53 PM
Rob Gronkowski.

badboy
12-14-2013, 11:31 PM
Poe. he is playing like I thought when I mocked him

Texecutioner
12-14-2013, 11:33 PM
Von Miller.

Same here. Him on the other side of Watt!? Man!!

beerlover
12-14-2013, 11:49 PM
Clay Matthews

texanhead08
12-15-2013, 12:06 AM
Justin Houston

toronto
12-15-2013, 12:42 AM
Just as fan, if I could steal one player, I'd take Andrew Luck. Gimme my likely franchise QB for the next 10 years and destroy a divisional rival in the process.

Not a Texan fan, but I'd do that if I could for my team.

ArlingtonTexan
12-15-2013, 12:53 AM
Just as fan, if I could steal one player, I'd take Andrew Luck. Gimme my likely franchise QB for the next 10 years and destroy a divisional rival in the process.

Not a Texan fan, but I'd do that if I could for my team.


Yep. The outlook for each franchise changes. On a consistent basis, teams win w/o two dominate WRs or a big NT or ball hawking safety or w/o two bookend OT. Not that I would turn down any of those things, but the patriots and the colts sans one year are in the playoffs due to having a QB that gives them a chance with various weaknesses in any year.

The Pencil Neck
12-15-2013, 12:54 AM
Just as fan, if I could steal one player, I'd take Andrew Luck. Gimme my likely franchise QB for the next 10 years and destroy a divisional rival in the process.

Not a Texan fan, but I'd do that if I could for my team.

Yeah.

Except.

See.

It said 1 player BESIDES a QB.

ArlingtonTexan
12-15-2013, 12:57 AM
Yeah.

Except.

See.

It said 1 player BESIDES a QB.

ooops missed that one too :mcnugget:

steelbtexan
12-15-2013, 01:10 AM
Rodgers

Norg
12-15-2013, 01:13 AM
pfff there are so many good players so ill say a few of my favorites

Maurice Jones-Drew - yes hessss wayyyy old but man once we will prob lose Ben tate I would love to have him has our 2nd RB

Justin Hunter and Kendall wright Tenn has got a stacked WR core IMO

the bengals have a lot of good players 2

toronto
12-15-2013, 03:23 AM
Yeah.

Except.

See.

It said 1 player BESIDES a QB.

Sheeeet, no one told me reading comprehension was necessary for this!

Under this context, my first instinct was Von Miller but he's way too risky now due to suspensions.

So I go with a tad of an star in the making in Patrick Peterson. Sherman raises a few red flags for me, and Peterson is younger.

Also a big fan of Jordan Gross.

Txn_in_FL
12-15-2013, 04:01 AM
1. Megatron


2. Megatron


3. Megatron

Marshall
12-15-2013, 04:38 AM
I don't know man, it's all about the Johnson's :D

Can you imagine the unending "Johnson and Johnson" quips that we'd hear. It would be worse than, "Houston we have a problem..." quips. Each thinking they are saying something original?

TheMatrix31
12-15-2013, 04:40 AM
Patrick Willis or the best RT in the game, whoever it is.

dream_team
12-15-2013, 07:54 AM
This is actually an extremely difficult question. I'd want a dominant pass rusher at OLB, but it's hard to choose one. I'd like Von Miller or Aldon Smith, but their red flags scare me. I don't want to waste this pick on a NT or ILB since they wouldn't be 3 down players. Earl Thomas is entriguing, but I'm ok with Manning & Swearinger. Selecting a dominant RT wouldn't improve our team as much. Calvin or Jimmy would be awesome, but I'm more worried about our QB than receivers. I'm also surprised AP is getting no love in here. In the end, I think I'd take my chances on Von Miller.

Sigma
12-15-2013, 08:15 AM
I would rather steal someone younger than calvin j.
I don't really have a name tho

Corrosion
12-15-2013, 08:29 AM
Haloti Ngata :swatter:

IDEXAN
12-15-2013, 08:50 AM
I would rather steal someone younger than calvin j.
I don't really have a name tho
Couple guys on the Chiefs message Board said the same thing, so they chose AJ Green who's 3 years younger than Calvin J.
If I were to go defense I might take Miller, accept he's got serious issues with the dope, so maybe I go offense but not a WR because we already have a great #1. So maybe TE, and Gronk is tremendous but he's so injury prone.
In the end I take Saints TE Jimmy Graham, a true impact player who would form an incredible combo with our top WR Andre.

Thorn
12-15-2013, 09:36 AM
Jacoby Jones!!!! hahahahhaha just kidding. :clown:

I don't know the names of a lot of players in the league, but I'd go with either the best RT or NT in the game.

Pollardized
12-15-2013, 09:50 AM
I would rather steal someone younger than calvin j.
I don't really have a name tho

Watch Alshon Jeffrey, check out the catches he makes.

bah007
12-15-2013, 10:11 AM
Earl Thomas would have the biggest impact on this team.

Texian
12-15-2013, 10:17 AM
rodgers

***^^^winner^^^****

Texanmike02
12-15-2013, 10:28 AM
Ed Reed - not only is he a proven winner but he will be a great veteran influence in the locker room.

I'll think about it and give you a real answer later.

Mike

TexansSeminole
12-15-2013, 10:43 AM
Either Eric Berry or Earl Thomas.

corytx8
12-15-2013, 11:09 AM
The best RT or AP

Uncle Rico
12-15-2013, 12:00 PM
I'd take that psycho, sideline to sideline LB from Buffalo Kiki Alonso.

kingtexan
12-15-2013, 12:10 PM
Patrick Peterson

NastyNate
12-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Vontaze Burfict

htowntexans1985
12-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Trindon Holliday :kitten:

htownfan32
12-15-2013, 01:03 PM
Man I was pulling hard for Alshon Jeffery hard when he was coming out for the draft, and the same with Keenan Allen this year. I'd love to have Jeffery but Allen is really coming along too.

Pollardized
12-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Man I was pulling hard for Alshon Jeffery hard when he was coming out for the draft, and the same with Keenan Allen this year. I'd love to have Jeffery but Allen is really coming along too.

Allen gets crazy open especially around the end zone. Love his play. Jeffrey makes catches that seem unreal sometimes. Like them both a lot.

RTP2110
12-15-2013, 02:11 PM
I want a BEAST outside backer in the 3-4.

I'd take any one of Matthews, Orakpo, or J Houston

silvrhand
12-15-2013, 03:28 PM
Patrick Willis.. hands down.

Texan4Ever
12-15-2013, 04:54 PM
Offense - LeSean McCoy (RB) or Calvin Johnson (WR)

Defense - Robert Mathis (OLB) or Vontaze Burfict (LB)

Carr Bombed
12-15-2013, 05:43 PM
Any player with a heart, that's who I'd pull

Pollardized
12-15-2013, 05:49 PM
Any player with a heart, that's who I'd pull

Soooooooooo pretty much any player not currently on the Texans roster...

Hervoyel
12-15-2013, 08:28 PM
I'd like to change my answer. I'm going with Bill Belichick.

Yeah I know it said "player". That's who I want.

WolverineFan
12-16-2013, 12:01 AM
Man I was pulling hard for Alshon Jeffery hard when he was coming out for the draft, and the same with Keenan Allen this year. I'd love to have Jeffery but Allen is really coming along too.

Allen was my favorite WR in the draft last year. I mocked him to us 1st round. Everyone dumped on him when he ran that bad 40 despite the fact that he was still injured when he ran it. I'm happy with Hopkins so far, but Allen was the guy I really wanted.

As for the OP, I agree with the guys who said Earl Thomas. The impact he makes for Seattle is severely understated. He's the MVP of that defense.

TheMatrix31
12-16-2013, 03:57 AM
Soooooooooo pretty much any player not currently on the Texans roster...


Yeah because JJ Watt and Andre Johnson don't play with heart. Yeah.

Of course, they're only two men out of 53.

ChampionTexan
12-16-2013, 11:00 AM
Lots of good choices, but Robert Quinn would definitely be on my short list.

Mr teX
12-16-2013, 11:08 AM
lots of interesting choices here...i'd probably go with Earl Thomas. Dude is an eraser back there & b/c 2nd to qb, that position can cover up the most deficiencies on a unit....

well, that and b/c Keo is sucking so bad back there he's making me long for Matt Stevens and CC Brown.

HOU-TEX
12-16-2013, 11:15 AM
Probably Patrick Willis

But, I sure like the way rookie Kyle Long plays. Yes, he's just a rook and plays guard but there's just something about the guy I'd love to see on this team. Attitude, ferocity with a Watt-like motor. The dude's just one mean mofo

*I like Mr Tex's Earl Thomas choice too.

Playoffs
12-16-2013, 11:17 AM
Dez and DeSean Jackson...

Dez would join Andre in walking off the field before the game is over while DeSean beats up the offensive coordinator.

Double Barrel
12-16-2013, 04:29 PM
Richard Sherman

Dutchrudder
12-16-2013, 07:25 PM
Jim Harbaugh. He used to play, so that counts, right?

Honestly, I could see him being the team's next head coach. I know he's under contract with the 49ers, but he has a tenuous relationship with the GM and owner. I believe he's free to leave if he wants, and given that he turned down a 2 year extension from the 49ers last year, I think he might be interested in moving elsewhere. The #1 overall pick and a decent set of players might be enough to bring him in, but he might require more control than Rick Smith is willing to give.

ObsiWan
12-16-2013, 07:44 PM
I'd go Kuechly. Guy's a beast. With Watt, Cush, and Kuechly, we'd be sick on defense.
I'm with you here. Either him or Patrick Willis.
On offense it's hard to bet against Megatron. But Jimmy Graham is a pretty good 2nd choice.

ObsiWan
12-16-2013, 07:45 PM
I'd like to change my answer. I'm going with Bill Belichick.

Yeah I know it said "player". That's who I want.

Will that be with or without his recording equipment?

:hides:

JB
12-16-2013, 07:47 PM
Will that be with or without his recording equipment?

:hides:

With if it helps us to win :kitten:

BullNation4Life
12-17-2013, 10:58 AM
Patrick Willis at inside lb beside Cushing would be sick.


Sent from the future...

This should be a reality had Rick Smith not screwed up the pick. He took Amobi Okoye 1 pick before SF took Willis in 2007...

Thanks Rick, thanks for F'ing nothing, you incompetent douche-monkey...

The Pencil Neck
12-17-2013, 12:03 PM
This should be a reality had Rick Smith not screwed up the pick. He took Amobi Okoye 1 pick before SF took Willis in 2007...

Thanks Rick, thanks for F'ing nothing, you incompetent douche-monkey...

Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.

WolverineFan
12-17-2013, 12:34 PM
Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.

And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....

bah007
12-17-2013, 12:56 PM
Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.

And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....

Guys I'm confused. How did we end up as the worst team in the league with these decision makers?

The Pencil Neck
12-17-2013, 12:57 PM
And we were choosing between Ted Ginn and Amobi Okoye.....

After the awesomeness that was the 2006 draft. :thumbdown

infantrycak
12-17-2013, 01:11 PM
Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.

That isn't the way I recall it. I remember it being an outside the team rumor. But certainly could be wrong.

Double Barrel
12-17-2013, 01:54 PM
Who really made the decision on Amobi Okoye?

I remember sitting at Herv's house that draft with Vinny and Porky, and Vinny said that the Okoye pick was a stretch pick for a project player, at best. He mentioned several other players that ended up being great starters that the Texans could have picked instead of Okoye.

What a wasted first round pick. This franchise needs to get out of making decisions like that if they ever want to contend for a championship.

TheIronDuke
12-17-2013, 02:06 PM
Who really made the decision on Amobi Okoye?

I remember sitting at Herv's house that draft with Vinny and Porky, and Vinny said that the Okoye pick was a stretch pick for a project player, at best. He mentioned several other players that ended up being great starters that the Texans could have picked instead of Okoye.

What a wasted first round pick. This franchise needs to get out of making decisions like that if they ever want to contend for a championship.

The entire draft class of 2007 was a complete waste as was 2008 (besides Brown) which is why I think we're screwed no matter what we do because we have the same moron drafting as we did then. We got one good player in 2 whole drafts.

2007
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones* Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State

The Pencil Neck
12-17-2013, 02:13 PM
That isn't the way I recall it. I remember it being an outside the team rumor. But certainly could be wrong.

I recall seeing an interview with Kubiak saying that they had been looking at Ginn and hoping he was going to drop to them. He made it sound like Ginn was their guy.

But that was a long, long time ago and I could be mis-remembering.

Vance87
12-17-2013, 02:15 PM
Haha, I love how this thread devolved into how Rick Smith sucks.

Double Barrel
12-17-2013, 02:17 PM
The entire draft class of 2007 was a complete waste as was 2008 (besides Brown) which is why I think we're screwed no matter what we do because we have the same moron drafting as we did then. We got one good player in 2 whole drafts.

2007
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones* Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

2008
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State

That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.

TexansSeminole
12-17-2013, 02:23 PM
That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.

It's painful looking back at those drafts.

I really hope that we plan to let Rick Smith go. If not, we may be looking at more of the same.

The Pencil Neck
12-17-2013, 02:27 PM
That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.

That's just it, though.

Who is it that made these draft picks?

Did Rick Smith come up with a list of guys and Kubiak and the other coaches say, "No. Here's the guys we should go with."? Was Rick Smith's list of guys he would have drafted better than the guys we actually drafted?

I don't know.

The guy who should know is McNair.

I hope he's keeping Smith around because he's been in the draft rooms and knows that Smith would have done better without Kubiak and the other coaches over-ruling him. Or something.

infantrycak
12-17-2013, 02:37 PM
That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.

Maybe a reference point would help. Same drafts:

Patriots: 4 players in the league, 2 with Patriots, 1 starter.
Colts: 6 players in league, 0 with Colts.
Pittsburgh: 7 players in league, 4 still with Steelers (two after stints with other teams), 2 starters.
Ravens: 7 players in league, 3 still with Ravens, 3 starters.

TheMatrix31
12-17-2013, 03:05 PM
Drafts are a crapshoot. Not sure why people are shocked by such a high fail rate.

ObsiWan
12-17-2013, 06:11 PM
That's just depressing. Looking at the 2007 and 2008 draft classes as a whole, there was a lot of talent that the Texans failed to value. We should still have starters from those two drafts beyond Brown.

I want to be optimistic about the new regime, but Rick Smith does not give me the confidence to have much faith in his skills as a GM.

I went back and checked because you guys make it seem like we missed on sooooo much great talent. But to my eyes, once you got out of the first & second rounds, who of any value was in either of those drafts when it was our turn to select?? I don't see anybody of real note after the 2nd round. What am I missing?

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-17-2013, 06:27 PM
Kubiak said that they were targeting Ed Ginn, Jr with that pick.

Think about that.

We could have had Patrick Willis OR Revis-Island.

Why do fans keep saying this? We had Demeco who was DROY the prior season at MLB, and no one seen the "Dunta incident" coming. That being said, those two were probably not even on the teams radar

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-17-2013, 06:28 PM
Suh would be the choice for me

Double Barrel
12-17-2013, 06:47 PM
I went back and checked because you guys make it seem like we missed on sooooo much great talent. But to my eyes, once you got out of the first & second rounds, who of any value was in either of those drafts when it was our turn to select?? I don't see anybody of real note after the 2nd round. What am I missing?

I should have been more clear with my message, as I do not expect much value in the 4th-7th rounds. If you find a rough gem, fantastic. But I do not fault teams of hit and miss in those rounds.

The first three, however, should bear fruit, and I feel the first round is where you can reallly look at teams and their evaluation process.

Looking at the teams 'cak mentioned, and the obvious thing that sticks out is that they were all drafting in the last part of the first round, where the Texans had the 10th overall pick in 2007. They were 26th in 2008 through trading down, but did great with picking D. Brown. Of course, they were trying to make up for not having a 2nd round pick due to the Schaub trade.

Main point overall, though, was Okoye was a wasted pick for a team that should not have been stretching for project players. It was always a boneheaded decision in my mind.

TheMatrix31
12-18-2013, 01:21 AM
Yeah, I still have fantasies about Patrick Willis on this team.

SW H-TOWN
12-18-2013, 01:28 AM
Yeah, I still have fantasies about Patrick Willis on this team.

Me too, very depressing.

The Pencil Neck
12-18-2013, 01:56 AM
Why do fans keep saying this? We had Demeco who was DROY the prior season at MLB, and no one seen the "Dunta incident" coming. That being said, those two were probably not even on the teams radar

The question should be... why WEREN'T those guys on the team's radar. They should have been.

Who did we have on the other side from Dunta? FAGGINS!? Why NOT have the best tandem of CBs in the league?

And Demeco was originally drafted to play outside and only moved inside because of injury. There were discussions HERE in this forum about drafting Patrick Willis prior to that draft and moving Demeco back outside. We would have had a dominant LB duo if we had done that. But instead, we went with Danny Clark and Morlon Greenwood.

And... Amobi Okoye. Great.

BullNation4Life
12-18-2013, 09:37 AM
Drafts are a crapshoot. Not sure why people are shocked by such a high fail rate.

If drafts are such a crap shoot, and I totally agree they are, why are teams and fans so dismissive about trading draft picks for proven players?

If I had the choice of trading a 1st or 2nd round pick for a player that can help you win now instead of drafting a kid who "might" help you when now, why not pull the trigger on the proven player?

Just seems to me that draft picks are sometimes valued far greater than proven talent.

BigBull17
12-18-2013, 09:38 AM
This. If I'm going with a defender it has to be this.

If I go offense then of course it's Calvin Johnson.

Or it might be Tom Brady. I know I can't pick a QB but I'm thinking of trying him at safety.

It may not work out though. Might have to change him back...

Fun part about Wilis is we had every chance to draft him, but I guess Amobi Zerokoye work out fine...glad Rick Smith is staying as GM...

Oh, its Jimmy Graham for me. Dudes a beast.

BullNation4Life
12-18-2013, 09:39 AM
The question should be... why WEREN'T those guys on the team's radar. They should have been.

Who did we have on the other side from Dunta? FAGGINS!? Why NOT have the best tandem of CBs in the league?

And Demeco was originally drafted to play outside and only moved inside because of injury. There were discussions HERE in this forum about drafting Patrick Willis prior to that draft and moving Demeco back outside. We would have had a dominant LB duo if we had done that. But instead, we went with Danny Clark and Morlon Greenwood.

And... Amobi Okoye. Great.


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gag.gif.pagespeed.ce.EMQlQlkcrh.gif

That's all I have to say about that..

BullNation4Life
12-18-2013, 09:41 AM
since coaches can be traded in the NFL, can I steal a coach instead?

Belichick...

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-18-2013, 11:34 AM
The question should be... why WEREN'T those guys on the team's radar. They should have been.

Who did we have on the other side from Dunta? FAGGINS!? Why NOT have the best tandem of CBs in the league?

And Demeco was originally drafted to play outside and only moved inside because of injury. There were discussions HERE in this forum about drafting Patrick Willis prior to that draft and moving Demeco back outside. We would have had a dominant LB duo if we had done that. But instead, we went with Danny Clark and Morlon Greenwood.

And... Amobi Okoye. Great.

So from what I get from this, draft a stud mlb(demeco) to draft another Willis, only to experiment with Meco at OLB. And Revis, how many time did he hold out in NY? You really as a fan want to put up with that. Revis. Here is realistic outcome, AJ would have been moved due to cap reasons, Cush and Watt are never Texans eithers. Team would be in cap hell

TheIronDuke
12-18-2013, 11:36 AM
So from what I get from this, draft a stud mlb(demeco) to draft another Willis, only to experiment with Meco at OLB. And Revis, how many time did he hold out in NY? You really as a fan want to put up with that. Revis. Here is realistic outcome, AJ would have been moved due to cap reasons, Cush and Watt are never Texans eithers. Team would be in cap hell

Good point, we're much better where we're at now. :fingergun:

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-18-2013, 11:45 AM
Good point, we're much better where we're at now. :fingergun:

Im not saying were better off now, im just saying this team would have been jacked up worse IMHO

TheIronDuke
12-18-2013, 11:48 AM
Im not saying were better off now, im just saying this team would have been jacked up worse IMHO

It's really impossible to tell what would have happened if we drafted Willis or Revis instead of 0k0ye but I highly doubt we'd be worse off than what looks to be another 2-14 season. Hell, maybe we'd have drafted Geno Atkins to fill that defensive tackle position a couple of years later. Who knows?

edwardc5637
12-18-2013, 11:53 AM
O-Larry Fitzgerald
D-Jared Allen

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-18-2013, 12:00 PM
It's really impossible to tell what would have happened if we drafted Willis or Revis instead of 0k0ye but I highly doubt we'd be worse off than what looks to be another 2-14 season. Hell, maybe we'd have drafted Geno Atkins to fill that defensive tackle position a couple of years later. Who knows?

True. I wanted Justin Houston instead of Brooks or Harris that year

TheIronDuke
12-18-2013, 12:05 PM
True. I wanted Justin Houston instead of Brooks or Harris that year

Then I'd rather you be the GM than the moron who wasted 2 2nd rounders picking up 2 guys who have contributed pretty much nothing at all.

The Pencil Neck
12-18-2013, 12:58 PM
So from what I get from this, draft a stud mlb(demeco) to draft another Willis, only to experiment with Meco at OLB. And Revis, how many time did he hold out in NY? You really as a fan want to put up with that. Revis. Here is realistic outcome, AJ would have been moved due to cap reasons, Cush and Watt are never Texans eithers. Team would be in cap hell

See... here's where you're making your first mistake.

We drafted a stud outside linebacker and moved him inside where he was DROY. If you draft Willis, you can move Demeco back out to what was then his originally planned position. That gives you a dominant linebacking corp.

Now, with Revis, your argument is that he would have been so good that we would have had to pay him and wouldn't have sucked so bad so we wouldn't have been able to draft Cush and Watt? Really? That's your argument?

If we change anything in the draft, everything changes and we don't get the guys we ended up getting.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-18-2013, 01:45 PM
See... here's where you're making your first mistake.

We drafted a stud outside linebacker and moved him inside where he was DROY. If you draft Willis, you can move Demeco back out to what was then his originally planned position. That gives you a dominant linebacking corp.

Now, with Revis, your argument is that he would have been so good that we would have had to pay him and wouldn't have sucked so bad so we wouldn't have been able to draft Cush and Watt? Really? That's your argument?

If we change anything in the draft, everything changes and we don't get the guys we ended up getting.

I dont believe Ol Bob or Rick would ever tolerate that whole nonsense

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-18-2013, 01:48 PM
Someone who i good with cap numbers, can you create a situation where Revis money was on our books, with the same roster, and cap, minus Okoye from 07-2011

Blake
12-18-2013, 01:55 PM
Patrick Willis. Dude has 18 year all-pro written all over him.

TexansSeminole
12-18-2013, 02:11 PM
So from what I get from this, draft a stud mlb(demeco) to draft another Willis, only to experiment with Meco at OLB. And Revis, how many time did he hold out in NY? You really as a fan want to put up with that. Revis. Here is realistic outcome, AJ would have been moved due to cap reasons, Cush and Watt are never Texans eithers. Team would be in cap hell

Because drafting good players is a worse problem than drafting busts?

One of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen made in this forum and that's saying a lot.

edwardc5637
12-18-2013, 02:38 PM
O-Larry Fitzgerald
D-Jared Allen

Blake
12-18-2013, 02:56 PM
O-Larry Fitzgerald
D-Jared Allen

O-Larry Fitzgerald
D-Jared Allen

So who would you take?

TheIronDuke
12-18-2013, 03:06 PM
O-Larry Fitzgerald
D-Jared Allen

How's life in 2010 going?

Mr teX
12-18-2013, 03:27 PM
I'm of the opinion that many of these draft & FA failures were on Kubiak moreso than Smith largely b/c of how Smith was essentially hired by Kubiak. Smith may have felt he had to acquiese to Kubiak and his scheme b/c of that....maybe a little too much.

I'm hoping that Smith's track record will be much better in the first 3 rounds now that Kubiak is gone..... if he is afforded the chance to bring in his own guy that is.

infantrycak
12-18-2013, 03:35 PM
See... here's where you're making your first mistake.

We drafted a stud outside linebacker and moved him inside where he was DROY. If you draft Willis, you can move Demeco back out to what was then his originally planned position. That gives you a dominant linebacking corp.

I think a lot of that was fan conjecture. DeMeco played OLB in college but many of his scouting reports projected him as being better inside in the NFL. I don't recall the Texans ever making a definitive statement of what they intended when they drafted him. They tried him out at both when he arrived and he immediately showed leadership and smarts they wanted calling the plays in the middle. Now that doesn't mean he could not be moved outside. For that matter I bet Willis could play either as well.

I'm of the opinion that many of these draft & FA failures were on Kubiak moreso than Smith largely b/c of how Smith was essentially hired by Kubiak. Smith may have felt he had to acquiese to Kubiak and his scheme b/c of that....maybe a little too much.

I doubt Kubiak over-controlled the defense draft picks. I bet those were left to Smith (former DB) and the DC.

Mr teX
12-18-2013, 04:22 PM
I doubt Kubiak over-controlled the defense draft picks. I bet those were left to Smith (former DB) and the DC.

probably, & if that's the case i don't really consider his picks on the defensive side of the ball to be that bad...that's where most of our stalwart players are..& there are at least a couple on that side who could emerge (K-Jax, Mercilus, Swearinger, Williams).

The Pencil Neck
12-18-2013, 05:03 PM
I think a lot of that was fan conjecture. DeMeco played OLB in college but many of his scouting reports projected him as being better inside in the NFL. I don't recall the Texans ever making a definitive statement of what they intended when they drafted him. They tried him out at both when he arrived and he immediately showed leadership and smarts they wanted calling the plays in the middle. Now that doesn't mean he could not be moved outside. For that matter I bet Willis could play either as well.

From what I recall, they started off with Demeco outside. Then Kailee Wong went down (or didn't come back) and they tried Demeco at the inside spot. And he was better than anyone else on the team. I seem to faintly recall they were trying Orr at that spot.

Still, if you've got the shot to get two great linebackers on your team, you might as well do it.

IDEXAN
12-19-2013, 03:08 PM
I doubt Kubiak over-controlled the defense draft picks. I bet those were left to Smith (former DB) and the DC.
I dunno about that since I seem to recall it being Kubiak's decision to transition to a 4-3 from the Capers 3-4 after his arrival on the scene ? In other words, Kubiak had far more than a mere passing interest about the defense, it's personnel, and schemes.