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Quick II Draw
12-08-2013, 11:33 AM
per ESPN:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10102000/ken-whisenhunt-radar-houston-texans

Although I'd like it more if the Texans hired ex-Cards, current Browns DC Ray Horton.

Vance87
12-08-2013, 11:37 AM
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JB
12-08-2013, 12:05 PM
I'm sure the Texans will be interviewing many in the weeks to come

Texanmike02
12-08-2013, 12:13 PM
Fly him in and give him an all expenses paid interview. Make sure you buy the ticket home. In a word... no.

He had a team that got hot for 4 games and went to the SB. Never won more than 10 games and was not even close to a .500 team.

Mike

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 12:15 PM
Are we going to have a thread for each one of these guys? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Texanmike02
12-08-2013, 12:17 PM
Are we going to have a thread for each one of these guys? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

I'm in favor of it. Maybe just one thread for each one but having a thread makes it easier to see the list rather than having to read 35 pages to get the comprehensive list.

Mike

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 12:25 PM
Are we going to have a thread for each one of these guys? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

If there is an article actually reporting a connection to the Texans then it can become a separate thread. Otherwise speculation and discussion go in the all encompassing thread.

I know you know this but just as a reminder for everyone.

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 12:30 PM
If there is an article actually reporting a connection to the Texans then it can become a separate thread. Otherwise speculation and discussion go in the all encompassing thread.

I know you know this but just as a reminder for everyone.

Cool. :shades: Gives us something to talk about while other teams vie for the postseason.

Thorn
12-08-2013, 12:38 PM
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thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 12:42 PM
per ESPN:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10102000/ken-whisenhunt-radar-houston-texans

Although I'd like it more if the Texans hired ex-Cards, current Browns DC Ray Horton.

Not totally against Wisenhunt. He's a Steeler, I'm sure McNair loves that. He coached a Super Bowl winning offense much more recently than our last coach. & he took a wierd Arizona team to the Super Bowl.

With Lovie Smith & Wisenhunt on the "experienced" Super Bowl coaching list, I'm more interested to see what first timers we're going to be looking at.

ThaShark316
12-08-2013, 12:47 PM
Would like this better than Lovie Smith punk ass.

burro
12-08-2013, 12:55 PM
Whisenhunt career record: 49-53 (.480)
Kubiak career record: 63–66 (.488)

Seems were going in the wrong direction...

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 01:03 PM
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.

bhsman
12-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Would like this better than Lovie Smith punk ass.

You need to put more thought into what you say. Lovie might not be our first choice for HC but he's probably the furthest thing from a punk ass.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 01:07 PM
I would hate this equally as much as Mike Shanny. Both of these guys IMO are over rated as hell as head coaches.

texanhead08
12-08-2013, 01:15 PM
No thanks I have this fear he would bring Russ Grimm's no coaching ass to coach our oline and get our young QB killed like he did Kevin Kolb

HJam72
12-08-2013, 01:24 PM
I don't really care about the coaches' butts. :user:

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 02:00 PM
Not totally against Wisenhunt. He's a Steeler, I'm sure McNair loves that. He coached a Super Bowl winning offense much more recently than our last coach. & he took a wierd Arizona team to the Super Bowl.

With Lovie Smith & Wisenhunt on the "experienced" Super Bowl coaching list, I'm more interested to see what first timers we're going to be looking at.

Yep.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:01 PM
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Ah man, my thoughts exactly. Whisenhunt??? :voodoo:

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 02:06 PM
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.

Even though Whisenhunt would not be my choice, it should be understood that a factor in his subsequent downfall with the Cards was that the owner felt that he was being generous when he offered him two nickels to rub together to rebuild the team.

houstonspartan
12-08-2013, 02:10 PM
I'm all for giving the guy an interview and I'm more interested in him than in the other retreads. The question is: what did he learn from the Arizona job? If you never hired a coach that failed in his first HC gig, then Belichick would have been exiled to Browns hell. So you ask the question. The guy coached in Arizona, where nothing has been done before or since. The owner of the Cards is terrible. He was a good OC in Pittsburgh. He made the tough decision to bench Leinart in favor of Warner, when everyone thought Warner was nothing more than a career backup who got hot for a couple years, and when the salary cap dictated to most teams that they play their $50+ million first round QB.

I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes as well. So that's what interviews are for, to find out what happened, why they were made, and what was learned. I'm definitely interested.

Good point. That is exactly what interviews are for. No one is saying that the guy is already setting up his office at Reliant. It's just an interview.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 02:31 PM
Even though Whisenhunt would not be my choice, it should be understood that a factor in his subsequent downfall with the Cards was that the owner felt that he was being generous when he offered him two nickels to rub together to rebuild the team.

It doesn't matter. Generally speaking, the HCs that do well right out of the gate don't generally hit the HC market. To act like Wisenhunt had no success with a misfit of an organization/team is disingenuous at best. It didn't work out... who has it worked out for in Arizona?

The key is to have an honest conversation about what happened in Arizona, what's going on in San Diego. What has he found that works, what doesn't work, & what he's going to do in the future.

That conversation is going to decide whether he'll be a good fit for the Texans & none of us are going to be privy to that conversation. Nothing he has done screams that he can't be a good HC in the NFL. Again, failing in Arizona should not count against anyone (& that includes Denny Green. His problem was that breakdown he had in front of the cameras) except their ownership.

Right now, he's just coming in for an interview. Nothing wrong with that. I'd be more upset if he wasn't on their list.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 02:38 PM
It doesn't matter. Generally speaking, the HCs that do well right out of the gate don't generally hit the HC market. To act like Wisenhunt had no success with a misfit of an organization/team is disingenuous at best. It didn't work out... who has it worked out for in Arizona?

The key is to have an honest conversation about what happened in Arizona, what's going on in San Diego. What has he found that works, what doesn't work, & what he's going to do in the future.

That conversation is going to decide whether he'll be a good fit for the Texans & none of us are going to be privy to that conversation. Nothing he has done screams that he can't be a good HC in the NFL. Again, failing in Arizona should not count against anyone (& that includes Denny Green. His problem was that breakdown he had in front of the cameras) except their ownership.

Right now, he's just coming in for an interview. Nothing wrong with that. I'd be more upset if he wasn't on their list.

Aren't we agreeing on this point?

Marcus
12-08-2013, 03:10 PM
I just wish some of you would get over this stupid Bill Cowher worship and just be a little realistic about what coaches out there are actually available.

I can tell right now that the offseason is actually going to suck worse than the season itself.:(

Lord Bills
12-08-2013, 03:45 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.

htownfan32
12-08-2013, 03:50 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.

What about being well dressed? :kitten:

Lord Bills
12-08-2013, 04:13 PM
What about being well dressed? :kitten:

that's a given but its more of a starting qb thing.

You have to have a great name, be relatively good looking, and have a great name.

those 3 things are a must for true franchise qbs. that's a scientific fact.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 04:40 PM
Aren't we agreeing on this point?

Yes.... I was really replying more to the guy you quoted agreeing with you. Whisenhunt got canned, but no one has been more successful in Arizona than he was. & firing him is more of is more of a condemnation of the Cardinals than Whisenhunt.

Rey
12-08-2013, 04:43 PM
I don't really know anything about whisenhunt.

Or really most of these guys.

I mean...I have some info on them, but whoever is actually getting all the info and talking to these guy I hope they have some sense.

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 04:47 PM
I like it. I'd also like it if he came on as an offensive coordinator for a potential HC in the future.

Tolar's Ghost
12-08-2013, 04:49 PM
Just like Bob to go the retread route.

That's what happens when 1) You're extremely conservative by nature; and 2) You think your team just needs some tweaking here and there to be back in contention.

Disappointing.

WolverineFan
12-08-2013, 04:51 PM
I like Whisenhunt more than some of the other names being thrown around.

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 05:09 PM
Just like Bob to go the retread route.

That's what happens when 1) You're extremely conservative by nature; and 2) You think your team just needs some tweaking here and there to be back in contention.

Disappointing.


This team doesn't need a full tear-down. We thought this team was a Super Bowl contender going into the season, right? A talentless team would not be thought of so highly.

Our problems are mainly coaching. Get a new coach, get a top toy, and bolster depth and we'll be right back where we were expected to be.

Marcus
12-08-2013, 05:19 PM
that's a given but its more of a starting qb thing.

You have to have a great name, be relatively good looking, and have a great name.

those 3 things are a must for true franchise qbs. that's a scientific fact.

I guess I'm getting a little slow on the uptake in my old age, because it's actually taken me this long to realize you're just a damn troll. Movin on now. :gun:

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 05:21 PM
Just like Bob to go the retread route.


Just like a hater to dis McNair for doing something he hasn't done. So far, he's asked a couple of guys to come in for interviews. He hasn't made a decision, nor has he said he'll make the decision.

There will be more names.... actually I think Sumlin has already been named.

But he doesn't fit your "retread" rant does he?

ArlingtonTexan
12-08-2013, 08:53 PM
Just like a hater to dis McNair for doing something he hasn't done. So far, he's asked a couple of guys to come in for interviews. He hasn't made a decision, nor has he said he'll make the decision.

There will be more names.... actually I think Sumlin has already been named.

But he doesn't fit your "retread" rant does he?

Uhmm I think McNair laid out in the firing press conference that he is looking for a person with both heading coaching and NFL experience...ie. a retread. It is silly to criticize someone for doing what he told you he was going to do.

TEXANRED
12-08-2013, 08:56 PM
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YUP! This!

TEXANRED
12-08-2013, 08:58 PM
Yes.... I was really replying more to the guy you quoted agreeing with you. Whisenhunt got canned, but no one has been more successful in Arizona than he was. & firing him is more of is more of a condemnation of the Cardinals than Whisenhunt.

Being the most successful Cardinals H/C is not some ground breaking feet. It's the Cardinals.

BetaV1
12-08-2013, 09:26 PM
Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner started:
24-18
.571

Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner did not start:
21-33
.388

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 10:12 PM
Uhmm I think McNair laid out in the firing press conference that he is looking for a person with both heading coaching and NFL experience...ie. a retread. It is silly to criticize someone for doing what he told you he was going to do.

He specifically referred to that as two different requirements so college HCs with NFL coaching experience like David Shaw are not retreads and fit what he described.

What it leaves out is a college HC with no NFL experience like Kevin Sumlin and NFL coordinators who have never been a college HC like Darrell Bevell.

TexanPulse
12-08-2013, 10:22 PM
Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner started:
24-18
.571

Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner did not start:
21-33
.388

Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 10:24 PM
Being the most successful Cardinals H/C is not some ground breaking feet. It's the Cardinals.

And yet, they were pretty good for a bit.

ArlingtonTexan
12-08-2013, 11:01 PM
He specifically referred to that as two different requirements so college HCs with NFL coaching experience like David Shaw are not retreads and fit what he described.

What it leaves out is a college HC with no NFL experience like Kevin Sumlin and NFL coordinators who have never been a college HC like Darrell Bevell.

Which functionally leaves Shaw and how many other realistic candidates ( and I am not expecting a list)...Most of the interviewee will be 'retreads," which is the general point I was making.

Anyway, I don't take the term as negative as the way it is thrown around in these parts. Arguably one of the problems with Smithiak was that we had both a GM and coach learning their jobs with an owner relative unfamiliar with the NFL. A retread in one of those position may have helped the building not take so long.

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 11:04 PM
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."

Good post.

Texanmike02
12-08-2013, 11:30 PM
And yet, they were pretty good for a bit.

When were they pretty good?

They had an 8-8, 9-7,10-6 in a terrible division (in that three year stretch Seattle was 10-6 when they went 8-8, no other team finished better than .500 in their division those 3 years.)
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."


I'm not a Wisenhunt fan, obviously, and I understand he was in Arizona but I'm not sure who he is. What's a positive hallmark of a Wisenhunt coached team? I defended Kubiak until this year because this team was undisciplined from the very start of the year.

Fox has Manning (who even made Jim Caldwell look capable because he's essentially the Assistant Head Coach). Reid looks like a winner with Alex freakin' Smith.

Wisenhunt?

Arizona averaged 107 penalties a year while he was their coach. They never had fewer than 100 and they finished 32nd, 22nd, 25th, 27th and 30th (tied for last) in penalties while he was their coach.

Next I look at turnover differential.

-1,-13,-7,0,-7

Going backwards from 2012.

Even worse?

36,35,34,30,36

Total give aways.

Nothing I see tells me I want him as a head coach. In the top 5 in giveaways and penalties year after year? That's a discipline problem. If you can't explain how you change that I don't know how you can coach.

Mike

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:37 PM
Sometimes I think people tend to focus too much on numbers and individuals. Its a complete combination. Kubiak and Schaub were simply not a great combination.

Belichick record with Brady:
146-32

Belichick w/o Brady:
51-65

Look at John Fox in Denver, he was a .500 coach with Carolina and looks amazing with Peyton.

Andy Reid had McNabb in Philly and was unbelievable. With retreads and a injury prone Mike Vick he was run out of town.

Btw, Mike McCarthy looks great without Rodgers as well. Same with Holmgren, or how about Shanahan without Elway? Pete Carrol...Russel Wilson, before...meh. Tom Coughlin?? Jax-Brunell, Giants-Eli.
I'm not going to go on, but you can see a pattern here for sure.

While I'm not sold on either Bridgewater or Clowney just yet, the combo between whomever gets here has to "work."

Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.

TexanPulse
12-09-2013, 01:40 AM
Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.

There's certainly some head scratchers who have won together i.e. Dilfer and Billick? (They also had Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, and Del Rio coaching that defense) Brad Johnson/Gruden (again defense) and then theres Flacco/Harbaugh?

On the other hand a guy like Sean Payton comes around and knows that he first needs a QB and gets Brees. He's a damn good coach for knowing what he needed, getting it done, and working with him to excel. Whisenhunt doesn't seem to have figured out how to do that based on his track record. Even Kubes did that with getting Schaub at first.

Im not sold on any of the retreads yet but things could be worse than the Wiz. Hopefully this 'consultant' Jed Hughes knows his business.

TheMatrix31
12-09-2013, 02:40 AM
When were they pretty good?

They had an 8-8, 9-7,10-6 in a terrible division (in that three year stretch Seattle was 10-6 when they went 8-8, no other team finished better than .500 in their division those 3 years.)



I'm not a Wisenhunt fan, obviously, and I understand he was in Arizona but I'm not sure who he is. What's a positive hallmark of a Wisenhunt coached team? I defended Kubiak until this year because this team was undisciplined from the very start of the year.

Fox has Manning (who even made Jim Caldwell look capable because he's essentially the Assistant Head Coach). Reid looks like a winner with Alex freakin' Smith.

Wisenhunt?

Arizona averaged 107 penalties a year while he was their coach. They never had fewer than 100 and they finished 32nd, 22nd, 25th, 27th and 30th (tied for last) in penalties while he was their coach.

Next I look at turnover differential.

-1,-13,-7,0,-7

Going backwards from 2012.

Even worse?

36,35,34,30,36

Total give aways.

Nothing I see tells me I want him as a head coach. In the top 5 in giveaways and penalties year after year? That's a discipline problem. If you can't explain how you change that I don't know how you can coach.

Mike

Well, they did make the Super Bowl and almost won. For some, that's the only measure that matters. Not for me, but hey, you point out Rex Ryan's flaws and they'll say **** like "So? The Jets went to two AFC Championship Games in a ROW! More than that LOSER Kubiak got us!"

I don't want a coach that preaches undisciplined play. Too many games are won and lost because of penalties, turnovers, and general idiocy. Just look at the latest "Typical Patriots" win today against Cleveland.

Agree that most of the time, it's all about the perfect storm. Coaches aren't **** without players and vice versa. It usually takes an amazing combination, lightning in a bottle. Sometimes, it just clicks. Just like Andy Reid flaming out in Philadelphia. Doesn't mean he was an awful coach, as he's showing in KC now.

Whisenhunt seems to be doing pretty well in San Diego right now, with a bit of a resurgence for Philip Rivers and even Ryan Mathews looks pretty good now. He's not my top choice for coach (frankly, I don't have one) but we could do a lot worse.

amazing80
12-09-2013, 05:59 AM
I think Ken is getting way too much credit for Rivers and that offense in SD. You know their head coach, Mike McCoy, was HIGHLY regarded and is a great offensive mind and a former qb......I think he is the reason their offense works, not Ken.

BetaV1
12-09-2013, 08:57 AM
Agree with pretty much everything here, but it seems more like you are indicating that the QB is what matters most and ends up determining how well a lot of coaches do in their tenures. I've always thought that as well. On the flip side a lot of coaches end up going to bad teams without a good QB, and never end up with any luck in the draft to be able to find a really good one with any of their picks. Sometimes luck plays a big factor in what QB a HC ends up landing. Then some coaches can over achieve without a great QB, but that's a lot more rare.

And as been stated, Whis' track record of such is horrible. Warner was already there when Whisenhunt arrived, and when Warner left, Ken's ideas of replacement were laughably bad. Derrick Anderson? Kevin Kolb? Free agents are one thing, but as you said, some coaches just have bad luck in the drafts trying to find their QB. That's the biggest reason why Ken is a total fraud. The guy completely ignored quarterback in the draft. You could think a guy who is a supposedly awesome offensive schemer would make a concerted effort to find a quarterback, but he never did. The guy's vision for talent is simply non-existent, and if the Texans are serious about taking a quarterback at 1.1, he sure as hell ain't the coach I want in the green room.

As for coaches overachieving without a great quarterback, Ken's replacement is doing just that right now in Arizona.

HOU-TEX
12-09-2013, 09:11 AM
No thanks, next!

Yesterday
12-09-2013, 12:26 PM
Obviously a worse coach than Bruce Arians...when will the Texans stop settling for mediocrity?

Not saying he's a bad coach, but I really don't think Whisenhunt has the ceiling of a top-tier NFL head coach. He's a safe, but limited, hire. Kind of reminds me of our last head coach...

Also has a horrible track record of finding QBs. Kevin Kolb? Anderson? No thanks.

cuppacoffee
12-09-2013, 12:31 PM
Obviously a worse coach than Bruce Arians...when will the Texans stop settling for mediocrity?

Not saying he's a bad coach, but I really don't think Whisenhunt has the ceiling of a top-tier NFL head coach. He's a safe, but limited, hire. Kind of reminds me of our last head coach...

Also has a horrible track record of finding QBs. Kevin Kolb? Anderson? No thanks.


Just going through the motions. Nobody has been hired yet. I doubt our next coach's name has even been mentioned yet.

:coffee:

badboy
12-09-2013, 12:37 PM
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/f/af0e7_ORIG-do_you_even_lift.jpgBig Show is that you?

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Thorn
12-09-2013, 01:51 PM
Being the most successful Cardinals H/C is not some ground breaking feet. It's the Cardinals.

For ground breaking feet you could always talk to Rex Ryan.

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 01:57 PM
And as been stated, Whis' track record of such is horrible. Warner was already there when Whisenhunt arrived, and when Warner left, Ken's ideas of replacement were laughably bad. Derrick Anderson? Kevin Kolb? Free agents are one thing, but as you said, some coaches just have bad luck in the drafts trying to find their QB. That's the biggest reason why Ken is a total fraud. The guy completely ignored quarterback in the draft. You could think a guy who is a supposedly awesome offensive schemer would make a concerted effort to find a quarterback, but he never did. The guy's vision for talent is simply non-existent, and if the Texans are serious about taking a quarterback at 1.1, he sure as hell ain't the coach I want in the green room.

As for coaches overachieving without a great quarterback, Ken's replacement is doing just that right now in Arizona.

Great post. Agree with everything above.

HOU-TEX
12-09-2013, 02:00 PM
For ground breaking feet you could always talk to Rex Ryan.

http://www.finsmob-exoduss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/rex-ryan-feet.jpg

Thorn
12-09-2013, 02:04 PM
Rexxy looks pretty happy in that pic. LOL

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 03:05 PM
Unsee! Unsee!!!

disaacks3
12-09-2013, 03:22 PM
This team doesn't need a full tear-down. We thought this team was a Super Bowl contender going into the season, right? A talentless team would not be thought of so highly.

Our problems are mainly coaching. Get a new coach, get a top toy, and bolster depth and we'll be right back where we were expected to be. That remains to be seen, especially considering the injury situation and the folks that'll be lost in Free Agency.

Just going through the motions. Nobody has been hired yet. I doubt our next coach's name has even been mentioned yet.

:coffee: I'll be shocked if it isn't one mentioned thus far.

Tolar's Ghost
12-09-2013, 05:15 PM
...When will the Texans stop settling for mediocrity?...

When they have a savvy, astute owner.

With Boardroom Bob you'll get a Lovie Smith or Whiz (or a Capers or a Kubiak).

You won't get anyone young, dynamic and on the rise. Just more of the same.

mussop
12-09-2013, 06:26 PM
Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner started:
24-18
.571

Whisenhunt's head coaching record in games which Kurt Warner did not start:
21-33
.388

When you consider the fact that he left Warner sitting on the bench in favor of Lienart, even though Lienert was stinking it up, well haven't we already been through that?

darnbni99a
12-09-2013, 06:51 PM
dont know much about the guy except for what I've just read in this thread…and after doing that he does seem like a mediocre HC…but like someone else said, if we get the right QB it could work.

YeaLikeRightNow
12-09-2013, 06:53 PM
Mike Holmgren.

BullNation4Life
12-09-2013, 09:44 PM
dont know much about the guy except for what I've just read in this thread…and after doing that he does seem like a mediocre HC…but like someone else said, if we get the right QB it could work.

So was Belichick when he was fired from the Browns. Got the right QB for his system and the rest is history.

Some coaches need a second chance in order to learn from their mistakes. Some luck into a good coach the first go around.

We'll have to see what the Texans get in the next month...

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 10:52 PM
So was Belichick when he was fired from the Browns. Got the right QB for his system and the rest is history.

Some coaches need a second chance in order to learn from their mistakes. Some luck into a good coach the first go around.

We'll have to see what the Texans get in the next month...

I'll go you one further...

Belichick LUCKED into the right QB for his system. If he hadn't been forced to play Brady, he probably would have stuck with Bledsoe and Brady might never have gotten off the bench.

DocBar
12-09-2013, 10:57 PM
So did Whisenhunt accept the position of towel boy for the Texans? That could be the only position Whisenhunt would be qualified for. The dude is Norv Turner 2.0. Just say no. He wouldn't know a HOF QB if he was kicked in the ass by the HOF QB. His 1st act would probably be to trade the entire 2014 draft to the Cowpies, along with cash considerations for Romo and Murray. And a PK to be named later. Just say NO to the DB and let McNair know how you feel. Obviously us fans have a betterfeel for the team than the GM and HC, interim or not.

Tolar's Ghost
12-10-2013, 01:03 AM
Mike Holmgren.

Of course, because he did so well in Cleveland.

The Holmgren of 1993 would be fine. But that's it.

thunderkyss
12-10-2013, 06:54 AM
Uhmm I think McNair laid out in the firing press conference that he is looking for a person with both heading coaching and NFL experience...ie. a retread. It is silly to criticize someone for doing what he told you he was going to do.

David Shaw has both head coaching & NFL experience. He isn't a retread.

thunderkyss
12-10-2013, 07:01 AM
Nothing I see tells me I want him as a head coach. In the top 5 in giveaways and penalties year after year? That's a discipline problem. If you can't explain how you change that I don't know how you can coach.

Mike

Solid process. However, I wonder how Belichick would have looked coming out of Cleveland. But maybe he's the exception to the rule.

I'm not sold on Wisenhunt being our next HC. Like I said, it depends on how he handles his interview.

I like that he's on the list, that's it. IMHO, his history in the league qualifies him to be on it.

noxiousdog
12-10-2013, 09:03 AM
You won't get anyone young, dynamic and on the rise. Just more of the same.


Kubiak was young, dynamic, and on the rise.... when he was hired. But I still don't want Whisenhunt.

Dutchrudder
12-10-2013, 09:04 AM
Mike Holmgren.

Holmgren is a good coach, be he really needs a smart GM to make some picks for him. I think he's done coaching though, and will likely only accept front office positions.

steelbtexan
12-10-2013, 09:19 AM
Holmgren- knows how to develop QB's
Billick- Former SB winner, several playoff teams, has won a SB with Dilfer, Very underrated.
Shaw- Young up and comer, well prepared, teams play hard.

Tolar's Ghost
12-10-2013, 09:26 AM
Kubiak was young, dynamic, and on the rise.... when he was hired...

Not really.

He was with Denver, and he's from Texas, two selling points as far as McNair was concerned.

But he was rarely linked to NFL head-coaching jobs.

(And I'm not sure "dynamic" would be an adjective associated with Kubes.)

The Pencil Neck
12-10-2013, 10:04 AM
Not really.

He was with Denver, and he's from Texas, two selling points as far as McNair was concerned.

But he was rarely linked to NFL head-coaching jobs.

(And I'm not sure "dynamic" would be an adjective associated with Kubes.)

Kubiak had been interviewed for the Texans job when it first came open but that went to Capers. However, McNair really liked Kubiak and thought he just needed a little bit more experience.

Kubiak was one of those "when is he going to get his chance to be a head coach" coordinators like Mike Zimmer is now with the Bengals.

BullNation4Life
12-10-2013, 11:07 AM
I'll go you one further...

Belichick LUCKED into the right QB for his system. If he hadn't been forced to play Brady, he probably would have stuck with Bledsoe and Brady might never have gotten off the bench.

:clap:

Absolutely! And they say you can never lose your job to injury...Psst please...

DocBar
12-10-2013, 12:49 PM
I'll go you one further...

Belichick LUCKED into the right QB for his system. If he hadn't been forced to play Brady, he probably would have stuck with Bledsoe and Brady might never have gotten off the bench.Whether Belichick lucked into Brady or not, he had the good sense to keep him starting and design an offense around his abilities that has been amazing. Just think what Brady could've done with as much talent as Manning had around him.

You could really say that even drafting a very good or great QB is lucking into it when you consider the high % of busts that come at the QB position, regardless of where they were drafted.:shades:

noxiousdog
12-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Not really.

He was with Denver, and he's from Texas, two selling points as far as McNair was concerned.

But he was rarely linked to NFL head-coaching jobs.

(And I'm not sure "dynamic" would be an adjective associated with Kubes.)

Why would McNair care if he was with Denver? That's all a post Kubiak storyline.

And of course he was described as dynamic. All successful OCs are. They are only not dynamic when their offenses fail.

Rarely? Here's a long list. (https://www.google.com/search?q=kubiak&tbas=0&biw=1102&bih=572&sa=X&ei=v5KnUoTQOYq2kAeyj4CYBw&ved=0CB8QpwUoBQ&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2001%2Ccd_max%3A1%2 F1%2F2006&tbm=nws#q=kubiak+coach&tbm=nws&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min:1%2F1%2F2001%2Ccd_max:1%2F1%2F2 006)

Texecutioner
12-10-2013, 04:45 PM
I work with one if the brothers of one of the defensive starters. He seems certain they are going to hire Whisenhunt. He guarantees it, but I Dont really think he is exactly correct. God I hope that he is wrong.

michaelm
12-10-2013, 04:48 PM
I work with one if the brothers of one of the defensive starters. He seems certain they are going to hire Whisenhunt. He guarantees it, but I Dont really think he is exactly correct. God I hope that he is wrong.

There's no way in hell the brother of a player has solid info about who the hire will be this early. No way in hell.
Mainly because the team doesn't even know yet.

Texecutioner
12-10-2013, 05:04 PM
There's no way in hell the brother of a player has solid info about who the hire will be this early. No way in hell.
Mainly because the team doesn't even know yet.

Yeah he is wrong about stuff all of the time. He does hang out with a lot of the players though. I agree that no one would really know what the Texans are going to do at this point. He just told me that about two hours ago.

Tolar's Ghost
12-11-2013, 12:25 AM
Kubiak had been interviewed for the Texans job when it first came open but that went to Capers...Kubiak was one of those "when is he going to get his chance to be a head coach" coordinators like Mike Zimmer is now with the Bengals.

Although there was speculation that Kubiak would eventually leave Denver, I wasn't aware that he had interviewed with, or was linked to, any team other than the Texans.

Zimmer, for example, has interviewed with several, including Miami, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.

The Pencil Neck
12-11-2013, 12:41 AM
Although there was speculation that Kubiak would eventually leave Denver, I wasn't aware that he had interviewed with, or was linked to, any team other than the Texans.

Zimmer, for example, has interviewed with several, including Miami, Tampa Bay and Cleveland.

Like I said, I remember him having interviewed with the Texans back around 2001 when we were looking for a new HC. IIRC (and I may not), his name was brought up as an HC candidate for various HC jobs back then and I believe he went on some interviews. I don't know if he turned down jobs or if he just never impressed anyone before McNair.

I wasn't really paying that much attention to him because he wasn't the coach of my team. I only know about the initial Texans' interview because I remember it being brought up when he was hired.

Lucky
12-11-2013, 12:49 AM
Like I said, I remember him having interviewed with the Texans back around 2001 when we were looking for a new HC. IIRC (and I may not), his name was brought up as an HC candidate for various HC jobs back then and I believe he went on some interviews. I don't know if he turned down jobs or if he just never impressed anyone before McNair.
I think Kubiak interviewed for the Browns expansion team (that job went to former Oiler assistant and later Texan OC Chris Palmer). I had also heard he turned down interviews for head coaching positions.

ChampionTexan
12-11-2013, 01:31 AM
I think Kubiak interviewed for the Browns expansion team (that job went to former Oiler assistant and later Texan OC Chris Palmer). I had also heard he turned down interviews for head coaching positions.

In addition to the Browns and the Texans the first time around, he interviewed with the Saints when they ultimately hired Haslett, and he turned down interviews with the Pats and the Lions when they ultimately hired Belichick and Mornhinweg.

Probably others too, but these are the ones I'm certain of.

Playoffs
12-11-2013, 05:57 PM
KEN WHISENHUNT (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/potential-texans-head-coaching-list)If you only look at Ken Whisenhunt's 45-51 head coaching record in Arizona, you will come away very unimpressed. Sure, he went to the Super Bowl in 2008, but with a 9-7 team. However, Whisenhunt was severely hamstrung in Arizona by a lack of quality offensive linemen which lead to a last place rushing attack in four of the six years he was head coach and astronomical sack numbers. With that said, Whisenhunt produced a passing attack that ranked 2nd, 2nd and 3rd over his first three years in Arizona and a rushing attack that was 1st in his first two season (three total) as Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator from 2004-2006.

Whisenhunt is respected around the football world as an offensive mind. Wisenhunt was the coordinator for Ben Roethlisberger's first three years in the league so he understands what it means to handle and try to develop a young quarterback which the Texans will likely target this offseason. Whisenhunt's ability to resurrect the faltering career of Philip Rivers with a quick-hitting, ball control offense is a definite feather in his cap and something that Bob McNair should take notice of. Whisenhunt will likely want to focus on more of a power-based running game if he comes.

speedfreek
12-11-2013, 06:32 PM
I like Wisenhunt better than the other candidates currently
being reported. He can run a coherent offense when he has
a QB and receiver.

The only person that would scare me is Sherm. He has a track
record here, runs a similar offense to Gary, and would
probably be very convincing to McNair if he came in and
said he could win with the current talent.

(and I am not a Sherm fan)

TJ

JB
12-11-2013, 06:36 PM
I like Wisenhunt better than the other candidates currently
being reported. He can run a coherent offense when he has
a QB and receiver.

The only person that would scare me is Sherm. He has a track
record here, runs a similar offense to Gary, and would
probably be very convincing to McNair if he came in and
said he could win with the current talent.

(and I am not a Sherm fan)

TJ


Sherm?

The Pencil Neck
12-11-2013, 11:26 PM
Sherm?

Mike Sherman. Currently OC with the Dolphins. A&M HC, our OC during the Ahman Green fiasco, Packer HC. He was the HC of the Packers for 6 seasons and went to the playoffs 4 of them and had a winning record in 5 of them.

I'm afraid of McNair going with him out of familiarity myself.

Wolf
01-13-2014, 05:30 PM
Report: He is to be the Titan coach now per sports app

thunderkyss
01-13-2014, 07:45 PM
Report: He is to be the Titan coach now per sports app

That was quick. Interview this morning?

Brisco_County
01-13-2014, 08:48 PM
With no Bud Adam around to interfere with a good coach, the Titans might actually become a threat in the division.

Texan_Bill
01-13-2014, 08:51 PM
With no Bud Adam around to interfere with a good coach, the Titans might actually become a threat in the division.

No sir, there is a little Adams in charge. Therefore they'll eff it up!

BetaV1
01-13-2014, 08:57 PM
If the Titans hired Whis, I'm going to be so happy! :) He's awful.

SW H-TOWN
01-13-2014, 10:31 PM
Sounds good. Would he or the HC be calling the plays...

Dutchrudder
01-13-2014, 10:54 PM
Report: He is to be the Titan coach now per sports app

Awesome. This means the Titans will wallow around in the mud with free agent QBs for the next 4 years until they start looking for a new head coach. The division could be ours!!!

HOU-TEX
01-14-2014, 09:20 AM
Kurt Warner ain't walking through their door anytime soon, so Whiz might actually have to coach a bit.

QuantumMortis
01-14-2014, 12:47 PM
Report: He is to be the Titan coach now per sports app

As a Texans fan I approve of the hire. It should be good for the Texans' divisional record.

IlliniJen
01-14-2014, 12:51 PM
Awesome. This means the Titans will wallow around in the mud with free agent QBs for the next 4 years until they start looking for a new head coach. The division could be ours!!!

Talk about a guy that plays musical chairs with QBs. He can't commit to one guy. Must make playing for him hard on one's confidence/ego.

toronto
01-14-2014, 12:53 PM
Awesome. This means the Titans will wallow around in the mud with free agent QBs for the next 4 years until they start looking for a new head coach. The division could be ours!!!

As long as Andrew Luck is healthy, that team is king. He presents the other three teams with a big problem...to put it mildly.

TheMatrix31
01-14-2014, 02:45 PM
As long as Andrew Luck is healthy, that team is king. He presents the other three teams with a big problem...to put it mildly.

We won the division in 2012. I'm not scared of the Colts if we play to what we're capable of.

Whisenhunt is a good hire for the Titans.

corytx8
01-14-2014, 02:49 PM
As long as Andrew Luck is healthy, that team is king. He presents the other three teams with a big problem...to put it mildly.


I disagree and I do not think they are all that.


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Brisco_County
01-15-2014, 12:33 PM
Check out what Leinart said about Whisenhunt.

Asked on Fox Sports Live if he thought Whisenhunt would be successful as the new head coach of the Tennessee Titans, Leinart said, "I don’t think it’s a great fit, and I don’t think it’s great timing, and here’s why...You look at his tenure in Arizona — only two years, he had success, and in those two years, Kurt Warner ran that football team — I was a part of it. Every single Monday, Kurt Warner would come in and implement 20 to 30 new plays which he would say ‘I want these in my game plan.’ We became a spread offense and we became Kurt Warner’s offense. Then Kurt Warner retires, they go 5-11 twice and they go 8-8.”

Link (http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/40030/Matt-Leinart-apparently-not-a-fan-of-Ken-Whisenhunt/Default.aspx)

It's a limited body of evidence, but he has a point.

ObsiWan
01-15-2014, 05:46 PM
Check out what Leinart said about Whisenhunt.



Link (http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/40030/Matt-Leinart-apparently-not-a-fan-of-Ken-Whisenhunt/Default.aspx)

It's a limited body of evidence, but he has a point.

He sure does. And being up close to the situation MattyHotTub ought to know. I think that was mentioned somewhere in this thread; that Whiz's "success" was mainly due to Kurt's performance.

houstonspartan
01-15-2014, 06:49 PM
He sure does. And being up close to the situation MattyHotTub ought to know. I think that was mentioned somewhere in this thread; that Whiz's "success" was mainly due to Kurt's performance.


Whisenhunt needs a quarterback to succeed. Detroit would have been perfect for him.


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Bulls on Parade
01-15-2014, 08:47 PM
As long as Andrew Luck is healthy, that team is king. He presents the other three teams with a big problem...to put it mildly.
It depends what kind of defense we have. If all we have is J.J. Watt then you're right. If we have Jadeveon Clowney and Brian Cushing to help out, I think we'll cause some havoc for Luck twice a year and knock him around quite a bit. We'll force turnovers, rack up sacks. It will be a far cry from what we've seen most of this year. Andrew Luck, and all QBs for that matter, will not be too pleased having to face the Houston Texans.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2014, 09:19 PM
WOW!!B It's either me being drunk or the radio station being drunk, but didn't he get hired as a HC????

Who knows? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else!???