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silvrhand
12-08-2013, 10:14 AM
Gary Kubiak is a class act, I know this may be merged but I thought it was worth having a separate thread. There are so many examples of people that have no class in today's society that this is a shining example that deserved a little attention IMHO.

Thanks again Gary for being a man and setting examples of how to handle yourself with adversity comes your way.

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welsh texan
12-08-2013, 10:19 AM
That is class tbf. Shame it didn't work out really but think the franchise is much closer to where we want it to be on the day he got fired than the day he was hired.

Pantherstang84
12-08-2013, 10:22 AM
That is class tbf. Shame it didn't work out really but think the franchise is much closer to where we want it to be on the day he got fired than the day he was hired.

Ditto. I hope he learns from his experiences here and finds success elsewhere. If everyone showed as much class as he does, this would be a much better society.

Rey
12-08-2013, 10:30 AM
They showed this on espn. Thanks for your hard work Gary. Whatever shortcomings he had as a coach, hardwork and commitment were not an issue.

Uncle Rico
12-08-2013, 10:30 AM
"Keep Battlin" Coach.

Nitrofish
12-08-2013, 10:34 AM
Ditto. I hope he learns from his experiences here and finds success elsewhere. If everyone showed as much class as he does, this would be a much better society.

I think he will. He will probably be like others who have left and shined elsewhere. Texans fans better hope it is not in the AFCS, which honestly I think is a possibility. Titans could possibly be interested in Kubiak.

Yesterday
12-08-2013, 10:39 AM
I sort of feel bad now for calling for his head and bashing his abilities.

Kubes is and always was a class act and represented the franchise well. Unfortunately, he just isn't head coach material. I'd welcome him back as an assistant, tho.

Rey
12-08-2013, 10:41 AM
I think he will. He will probably be like others who have left and shined elsewhere. Texans fans better hope it is not in the AFCS, which honestly I think is a possibility. Titans could possibly be interested in Kubiak.

Not worried about that happening at all.

bOODRO87
12-08-2013, 10:57 AM
Not worried about that happening at all.

I wouldn't even be worried if it did happen.

Very cool of Kubiak to take the Ad out. All I hear is how respectful he is to people. It sucks the way things turned out. It had to be done, though.

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 11:01 AM
Damn fine man. Part of why I waffled on bashing his performance on the field over the years is because I really wanted him to succeed. I like the man, and I really, really wanted him to win here. Would have been the fairy tale ending, so to speak.

Good luck, Kubiak. Hope the things you learned from this gig serve you well in the future.

Bulls on Parade
12-08-2013, 11:07 AM
Three games left. I wish Bob McNair had the courtesy to just allow him to finish the season. It would have showed some real class on McNair's part to wait until the day after the season. If he wanted to fire somebody so quickly then he should have axed Rick Smith, the main problem, first and foremost.

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 11:13 AM
Three games left. I wish Bob McNair had the courtesy to just allow him to finish the season. It would have showed some real class on McNair's part to wait until the day after the season. If he wanted to fire somebody so quickly then he should have axed Rick Smith, the main problem, first and foremost.

I don't think he wanted to fire anyone until the end of the season, but he felt very strongly that he wanted to evaluate Keenum with the remaining time and Kubiak was undercutting that goal. This is one of the few examples I can think of where firing a coach midseason actually accomplishes something.

IlliniJen
12-08-2013, 11:13 AM
As much as I dislike his abilities as a coach, he sure is a class act, so his departure is bittersweet. He certainly shows some old school gratitude that I don't think you'd see from many head coaches in this league.

IlliniJen
12-08-2013, 11:17 AM
Three games left. I wish Bob McNair had the courtesy to just allow him to finish the season. It would have showed some real class on McNair's part to wait until the day after the season. If he wanted to fire somebody so quickly then he should have axed Rick Smith, the main problem, first and foremost.

It was a mercy killing. This team was just making everyone look bad. At least when they stink up the next 3 weeks, people won't be looking at Kubiak, who took on the countenance of a whipped dog. Leaving Kubiak in at HC was just doing way too much harm to this team and sent a message to the players that they ARE going to hold people accountable (finally) for their performance.

A change needed to be made for the bigger picture and the mental health of this team. You can sacrifice the team to protect the ego of one HC.

Thorn
12-08-2013, 11:38 AM
So Kubiak is a nice guy, I can go along with that. But he lost the team and it was time for him to go. I'm sure that ad was part sincerity and part leaving on a good note for his next job interview. Not saying that's bad, it's what I'd do.

Good luck Kubes, but not when we face you next.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 11:40 AM
So Kubiak is a nice guy, I can go along with that. But he lost the team and it was time for him to go. I'm sure that ad was part sincerity and part leaving on a good note for his next job interview. Not saying that's bad, it's what I'd do.

Good luck Kubes, but not when we face you next.

I don't think he lost the team. I think losing teams get frustrated. There is a difference.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 11:41 AM
Its on me coach. I will work to get it corrected, you battled hard kid.



The guy will be fine. Im not sad to see him go at all. Its a tough business, but he will find a job as OC somewhere......adios coach, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

IDEXAN
12-08-2013, 12:08 PM
Capers was also a pretty classy guy, both men basically the antithesis of former Oilers HC Jerry Glanville. I'm all for getting a pric! like Belichik or Carrol if they can have that kind of success.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 12:18 PM
I think he will. He will probably be like others who have left and shined elsewhere. Texans fans better hope it is not in the AFCS, which honestly I think is a possibility. Titans could possibly be interested in Kubiak.

:user: That would be the best thing that ever happened to this division.

EllisUnit
12-08-2013, 12:20 PM
Kubiak was a great guy despite all his short comings he was one of my fav people ever in the texans organization. Nooone expected this season to be this bad, and i think his loyality to his players is what ultimately cost him. good luck kubes

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 12:21 PM
It was a sad day for me when Gary was fired.

I like him as a person, and had such high hopes for our success under the Houston native.

I have no doubt he will succeed wherever he lands and wish him nothing but the best. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v714/narnia27/smilies/respect.gif

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Marcus
12-08-2013, 12:34 PM
:user: That would be the best thing that ever happened to this division.

Jeez Louise Tex. Did the guy piss in your cornflakes or something? He's gone already.

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 12:58 PM
Kubiak showed what class is, and a couple posters in this thread showed what classless is.

houstonspartan
12-08-2013, 01:06 PM
I don't think he wanted to fire anyone until the end of the season, but he felt very strongly that he wanted to evaluate Keenum with the remaining time and Kubiak was undercutting that goal. This is one of the few examples I can think of where firing a coach midseason actually accomplishes something.

Yep. McNair wanted to take a hard look at the QB situation to see what moves need to be made in the offseason. Kubiak kept getting in the way of that. He had to go - now.

Kubiak is the real deal as a person. I wish him the best of luck, but, I feel no guilt about criticizing his coaching. This is business.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 01:07 PM
Jeez Louise Tex. Did the guy piss in your cornflakes or something? He's gone already.

And thank the lord for that. Let him drag Schaub, Marciano, and Smith to another franchise and put them above the team. Sorry, but I don't consider that to be "classy" nor do I care about having a classy head coach. You fans that want a nice guy over a winner can save your lectures because many of you have failed to understand that the NFL is a business and Kubiak didn't take his job seriously nor did he respect the entire team by allowing people to keep their jobs all because they were his buddies. In most businesses people call that unprofessional. Many of us have had to listen to you sunshiners make to irrational excuses and spin efforts for Kubiak for 8 years that were mind boggling. You sunshiners have spewed venom at fans who wanted accountability for years now. The chickens have come home to roost.

Pantherstang84
12-08-2013, 01:08 PM
kubiak showed what class is, and a couple posters in this thread showed what immaturity is.

fify

Honoring Earl 34
12-08-2013, 01:14 PM
I thought he should have been fired in 2010 . He wasn't and that's not his fault . He has been fired and probably as much for his loyalty as anything . Sometimes your greatest strength becomes your greatest weakness . Loyalty is an admired trait just not always in pro sports .


Best wishes coach and hope you get well . :clap:

HJam72
12-08-2013, 01:18 PM
Even after I finally decided I wanted him gone, I didn't bash him much, and this is a whole lot of why. He wanted to be in Houston, he wanted to coach this team, and he interviewed for it twice, getting turned down the first time. Now he even has the grace to leave while praising the boss & organization that just fired him and the players that had a lot to do with it. :clap:

I couldn't even do that. I would keep my mouth shut publicly, but I'd make excuses in private (I'm thinking about to his wife, but I'm not married). No way I'd have this kind of grace about it. He doesn't seem to have what this team needs right now, but....I could learn a thing or too... :boogereater:

Nawzer
12-08-2013, 01:22 PM
I've always said that I'm grateful to Kubiak for turning the Texans into a legitimate NFL franchise. He's a good guy and I wish him and his family the best.

IDEXAN
12-08-2013, 01:23 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

EllisUnit
12-08-2013, 01:23 PM
Kubiak showed what class is, and a couple posters in this thread showed what classless is.

Agreed, this is just a damn game. I dont like to see anyone lose their job. Dont get me wrong, it was his time to go. But even now that he's gone some people cant just wish him luck and move on.

Kubiak def was not the best head coach, he was not even close, With all the talent we have had the past 3 seasons we should of went to the SB. BUT the guy worked hard as anybody, and although he failed, atleast he gave us 100%. More than i can say for some people.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Gary, you're a great man.

Thanks for the yrs you put in. You left things better than you found them. Best of luck in the future.

Hopefully BoB upgrades the HC position. I want a win at all costs type HC. That's what has been missing from the Texans org. This type of HC isn't a nice guy usually, but will shake things up and hold everybody in the org accountable.

Honoring Earl 34
12-08-2013, 01:28 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Most have enough sense to not kick someone when he's down ... most .

Bulls on Parade
12-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Yep. McNair wanted to take a hard look at the QB situation to see what moves need to be made in the offseason. Kubiak kept getting in the way of that. He had to go - now.

Kubiak is the real deal as a person. I wish him the best of luck, but, I feel no guilt about criticizing his coaching. This is business.
What would be funny is if Wade Phillips decides to bench Case Keenum after he struggles at Indianapolis next Sunday. And we see Matt Schaub right back in the game. Then what? Will he be fired after the game also? It's not like anybody is expecting him to return next season. I'd probably have the audacity to do that very thing if I were in his shoes. Just to show my displeasure with Bob McNair and Rick Smith. LOL

EllisUnit
12-08-2013, 01:34 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Just cause i did not think he was a good head coach dont mean i dont like kubiak as a person. He is a great guy, and i wish him the best in whatever he does. Nothing wrong with liking someone as a person even if you dont like the work they do.

Pantherstang84
12-08-2013, 01:46 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Nice try. A person's job performance is separate from the person. In my career, I've met many people that I liked personally but they were incompetent at their job. Yes I called for him to get fired not this only this year but after the 6-10 season as well. However, I like Gary Kubiak the person. He is a good man with what I think is very strong ethics. I like the man and would buy him a beer if given the opportunity. It just didn't work out here for him and business is business. No one is contradicting themselves here. It's just those who wish him harm either physically or professional can't seem to separate their emotions from a game. Sad.

darnbni99a
12-08-2013, 01:52 PM
Kubiak is a great guy and i wish him the best

but yea it was time for him to go

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 01:53 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Thank you! The majority of this thread and the other thread are complete hypocrites. Lol! Look at the insults all season long towards Kubiak and even go back to a few years ago when they went 6-10 and he was supposed to be fired. So many fickle fans that have no idea what they want in a HC until after each game is over and then they're either praising the guy or bashing the guy the next week once they have some hind sight. Just read the game day threads.

Ben Tate was dead on when he talked about how wishy washy and fickle Houston fans in this city are. He was just foolish in the context of how he described it. Not everyone of course, but the examples have been all over this board and talk radio for years. I get bashed and criticized for having a decisive and outspoken opinion which is fine and I'll take it, but I've stayed consistent unlike the majority that can't ever make up their mind. It really exposes how much people don't understand about what they think a leader is supposed to be. I'll give Kubiak the respect of leaving gracefully, but hell what choice did he have? He took a team that was a SB contending team and ran it straight into the ground and refused to ever let go of Schaub no matter the circumstances. Man, I could pull threads all season and point out all types of examples of flip flopping stances that took place literally every week. The finger pointing here is comical. Rep is spread big time.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 01:57 PM
Nice try. A person's job performance is separate from the person. In my career, I've met many people that I liked personally but they were incompetent at their job. Yes I called for him to get fired not this only this year but after the 6-10 season as well. However, I like Gary Kubiak the person. He is a good man with what I think is very strong ethics. I like the man and would buy him a beer if given the opportunity. It just didn't work out here for him and business is business. No one is contradicting themselves here. It's just those who wish him harm either physically or professional can't seem to separate their emotions from a game. Sad.

So you know the guy personally? You went to college with him or something? Spare me with this. Lol! That is the same crap people always say about famous celebs until they hear about them cheating or some other scandal they don't like. The fact is all you know about Kubiak is what you see and hear through the media. For years people enshrined Tiger Woods as the greatest man to walk this planet until they found out how many women he had stashed away and once again the hypocrisy showed it's ugly head when people found out that Tiger wasn't who they "assumed" he was simply because he could drive the ball 400 yards and spoke in a nice soft tone. Kubiak probably is what you describe I'd guess, but that has nothing to do with his job performance, and I haven't seen one thread that was centered around Kubiak's personality outside of football so it's really a moot point.

JB
12-08-2013, 01:58 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

What does giving him props for being a class act as a person have to do with bashing him as a coach?

EllisUnit
12-08-2013, 02:01 PM
Thank you! The majority of this thread and the other thread are complete hypocrites. Lol! Look at the insults all season long towards Kubiak and even go back to a few years ago when they went 6-10 and he was supposed to be fired. So many fickle fans that have no idea what they want in a HC until after each game is over and then they're either praising the guy or bashing the guy the next week once they have some hind sight. Just read the game day threads.

Ben Tate was dead on when he talked about how wishy washy and fickle Houston fans in this city are. He was just foolish in the context of how he described it. Not everyone of course, but the examples have been all over this board and talk radio for years. I get bashed and criticized for having a decisive and outspoken opinion which is fine and I'll take it, but I've stayed consistent unlike the majority that can't ever make up their mind. It really exposes how much people don't understand about what they think a leader is supposed to be. I'll give Kubiak the respect of leaving gracefully, but hell what choice did he have? He took a team that was a SB contending team and ran it straight into the ground and refused to ever let go of Schaub no matter the circumstances. Man, I could pull threads all season and point out all types of examples of flip flopping stances that took place literally every week. The finger pointing here is comical.

Job performance and the person outside of work are two different things. I have had friends of mine that i liked a lot outside of work that i have had to fire. Great guys, just not great at their job. Being bad at 1 dont mean your bad at the other. We all bashed Kubiak as a coach, and all the choices he made for the team. I dont recall anyone bashing him as a person, only as a coach.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:04 PM
Job performance and the person outside of work are two different things. I have had friends of mine that i liked a lot outside of work that i have had to fire. Great guys, just not great at their job. Being bad at 1 dont mean your bad at the other. We all bashed Kubiak as a coach, and all the choices he made for the team. I dont recall anyone bashing him as a person, only as a coach.

Yes you are correct. Great post. I haven't ever bashed him as a person myself, because I don't' know him. It's extremely naive for people to act like they know someone in the public eye based on how they speak in interviews.

houstonspartan
12-08-2013, 02:05 PM
Thank you! The majority of this thread and the other thread are complete hypocrites. Lol! Look at the insults all season long towards Kubiak and even go back to a few years ago when they went 6-10 and he was supposed to be fired. So many fickle fans that have no idea what they want in a HC until after each game is over and then they're either praising the guy or bashing the guy the next week once they have some hind sight. Just read the game day threads.

Ben Tate was dead on when he talked about how wishy washy and fickle Houston fans in this city are. He was just foolish in the context of how he described it. Not everyone of course, but the examples have been all over this board and talk radio for years. I get bashed and criticized for having a decisive and outspoken opinion which is fine and I'll take it, but I've stayed consistent unlike the majority that can't ever make up their mind. It really exposes how much people don't understand about what they think a leader is supposed to be. I'll give Kubiak the respect of leaving gracefully, but hell what choice did he have? He took a team that was a SB contending team and ran it straight into the ground and refused to ever let go of Schaub no matter the circumstances. Man, I could pull threads all season and point out all types of examples of flip flopping stances that took place literally every week. The finger pointing here is comical. Rep is spread big time.

Tex, we usually agree, but, on this, I don't see separating the person from the coach as being hypocritical. For years, I have said the following about Kubiak: I would give him the keys to my house and access to my bank account, but I do not want him coaching my sports team. The guy is clearly a good dude, but he is a horrible coach. What's so hypocritical about that?

A buddy met Kubiak once, and said he was blown away by what a cool guy he was. The buddy then said, "But, I still want him fired."

That's not being a hypocrite, in my opinion.

Thorn
12-08-2013, 02:07 PM
What does giving him props for being a class act as a person have to do with bashing him as a coach?

My thoughts as well. We still bash Capers. Kubiak was a fair to middlin' coach, and that was all the Texans would have been under him. Yeah, he was a classy guy, Bob McNair's type of guy. And I don't mind classy as opposed to some of the asswipes we had coaching the Oilers.

I'm not sure where the controversy is here, but whatever. The real battles in our little internet home here will be when they announce the new head coach anyway. :lol:

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 02:16 PM
I was taught to never sacrifice your class to get even with someone who has none. Let them have the gutter. Kubiak took the high road. Good luck to him in health and future success.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:16 PM
Tex, we usually agree, but, on this, I don't see separating the person from the coach as being hypocritical. For years, I have said the following about Kubiak: I would give him the keys to my house and access to my bank account, but I do not want him coaching my sports team. The guy is clearly a good dude, but he is a horrible coach. What's so hypocritical about that?

A buddy met Kubiak once, and said he was blown away by what a cool guy he was. The buddy then said, "But, I still want him fired."

That's not being a hypocrite, in my opinion.

Agree to disagree my friend. :)

I know you're not being serious by saying you would give him access to your bank account and you are trying to make a point, but we don't "truly" know who anyone is just because of the perception they give in front of the camera. My guess would be that Kubiak is probably a very nice guy outside of his job. I would agree with the speculation, but speculation is all that really is. It's a moot point at the end of the day though. This is a Texans board that is centered around the team, not the personal life of Gary Kubiak. I make no apologies about the fact that I wanted Gary tossed out of here as fast as possible, because his coaching decisions deserved for him to be treated that way. When people come in here on their high horse and act it's some sort of lack of class to want that when they were just insulting the guy and calling him all kinds of names and wanting him fired just a week ago, it's extremely hypocritical. Especially from the ones that have said that many times in the past, then called him some offensive genius, but then turned around and called him horrible names again and again and repeat that same cycle. I understand your point though.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:21 PM
My thoughts as well. We still bash Capers. Kubiak was a fair to middlin' coach, and that was all the Texans would have been under him. Yeah, he was a classy guy, Bob McNair's type of guy. And I don't mind classy as opposed to some of the asswipes we had coaching the Oilers.

I'm not sure where the controversy is here, but whatever. The real battles in our little internet home here will be when they announce the new head coach anyway. :lol:

Yeah, Capers gets bashed here all of the time and he never got the 8 years that Kubiak got and hell he had to work with Carr and no O line. Capers wasn't given 3 DC's and anywhere near the slack that Kubiak had, but yet people have no problem poking fun at Capers. :chicken dance:

I haven't seen anyone wish Gary any ill will. I've stated that I don't think he should get another job in the NFL, because he doesn't deserve one. That isn't wishing him ill will. That is being fair as far as what I think he has earned or hasn't.

IDEXAN
12-08-2013, 02:23 PM
Nice try. A person's job performance is separate from the person. In my career, I've met many people that I liked personally but they were incompetent at their job. Yes I called for him to get fired not this only this year but after the 6-10 season as well. However, I like Gary Kubiak the person. He is a good man with what I think is very strong ethics. I like the man and would buy him a beer if given the opportunity. It just didn't work out here for him and business is business. No one is contradicting themselves here. It's just those who wish him harm either physically or professional can't seem to separate their emotions from a game. Sad.
Objective criticism is one thing, and I'd be the first to agree that Kubiak certainly deserved tons of that for this season. But what I'm talking about is vitriolic comments, just plain mean spirited bashing of a beleaguered HC fighting for his professional existence. But Kubiak never quit trying to succeed and never quit being classy.

EllisUnit
12-08-2013, 02:30 PM
Objective criticism is one thing, and I'd be the first to agree that Kubiak certainly deserved tons of that for this season. But what I'm talking about is vitriolic comments, just plain mean spirited bashing of a beleaguered HC fighting for his professional existence. But Kubiak never quit trying to succeed and never quit being classy.

Rest assure Kubiak will have a job in the NFL somewhere next season. Although he wasnt the best head coach he will still be involved with a team next season via H.C, O.C, something.

chicagotexan2
12-08-2013, 02:31 PM
Firing Kubiak had to be done and I'm happy about the future prospects. I do feel bad for coach Kubiak. I always want good houstonians to succeed. I hope his health gets better and wish him well. I hated some of his decisions but he's not a dirtbag like bobby Petronio or paterno. I think he's a good man.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 02:42 PM
How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Me

I think he's a fine man. Who was in over his head. There are people in the business world who are great people and guess what if they underperform/incapable of doing their jobs they get fired. Just like Gary did, except they dont get a pass for as long as Gary did.

With that said, is it wrong to wish a great person happiness in his future even though the right thing was finally done?

Mr. White
12-08-2013, 03:09 PM
I think now is a good time for Kubiak to go on a long hunting trip followed by a long fishing trip followed by a long golf trip. By all accounts, he kept himself in good health so that stroke must have been stress-related.

He needs to ask himself if it was really worth it. He could have taken the rest of the year off and been able to keep his job and nobody would have faulted him for it.

He needs to think about whether he would rather be a head coach or a coordinator. Not many guys can do both. Sean Payton is the only current HC that comes to mind that won a Super Bowl while calling the offense. Maybe Mike Shanahan, but I don't think we'll ever know about him. He was so focused on that playcard that he didn't see the big picture.

He also needs to recognize when it's time to cut bait on a player, a coach, or a process that isn't getting it done. All this is pretty much common knowledge for anyone who knows management, so I guess the NFL isn't that much different from the real world.

I wish him the best and hope he does right by himself and his family going forward.

HJam72
12-08-2013, 03:37 PM
I'm so glad this moron got fired.

Oh, wait. Wrong thread.

Yeah, he's a good guy.

Lord Bills
12-08-2013, 03:38 PM
And thank the lord for that. Let him drag Schaub, Marciano, and Smith to another franchise and put them above the team. Sorry, but I don't consider that to be "classy" nor do I care about having a classy head coach. You fans that want a nice guy over a winner can save your lectures because many of you have failed to understand that the NFL is a business and Kubiak didn't take his job seriously nor did he respect the entire team by allowing people to keep their jobs all because they were his buddies. In most businesses people call that unprofessional. Many of us have had to listen to you sunshiners make to irrational excuses and spin efforts for Kubiak for 8 years that were mind boggling. You sunshiners have spewed venom at fans who wanted accountability for years now. The chickens have come home to roost.

How many on this thread who were busy bashing Kubiak just a short time ago are now fawning over his demonstrative spirit of goodwill and gratitude immediately after he was being fired by the owner, the citys media, and the teams fans ?

Thank you! The majority of this thread and the other thread are complete hypocrites. Lol! Look at the insults all season long towards Kubiak and even go back to a few years ago when they went 6-10 and he was supposed to be fired. So many fickle fans that have no idea what they want in a HC until after each game is over and then they're either praising the guy or bashing the guy the next week once they have some hind sight. Just read the game day threads.

Ben Tate was dead on when he talked about how wishy washy and fickle Houston fans in this city are. He was just foolish in the context of how he described it. Not everyone of course, but the examples have been all over this board and talk radio for years. I get bashed and criticized for having a decisive and outspoken opinion which is fine and I'll take it, but I've stayed consistent unlike the majority that can't ever make up their mind. It really exposes how much people don't understand about what they think a leader is supposed to be. I'll give Kubiak the respect of leaving gracefully, but hell what choice did he have? He took a team that was a SB contending team and ran it straight into the ground and refused to ever let go of Schaub no matter the circumstances. Man, I could pull threads all season and point out all types of examples of flip flopping stances that took place literally every week. The finger pointing here is comical. Rep is spread big time.

So you know the guy personally? You went to college with him or something? Spare me with this. Lol! That is the same crap people always say about famous celebs until they hear about them cheating or some other scandal they don't like. The fact is all you know about Kubiak is what you see and hear through the media. For years people enshrined Tiger Woods as the greatest man to walk this planet until they found out how many women he had stashed away and once again the hypocrisy showed it's ugly head when people found out that Tiger wasn't who they "assumed" he was simply because he could drive the ball 400 yards and spoke in a nice soft tone. Kubiak probably is what you describe I'd guess, but that has nothing to do with his job performance, and I haven't seen one thread that was centered around Kubiak's personality outside of football so it's really a moot point.


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HJam72
12-08-2013, 03:40 PM
400 yards? OMG, let him have some women. :ahhaha:

Lauren
12-08-2013, 04:03 PM
Nice guy, sweet note. What's with putting a giant picture of himself in the ad, let alone one where he's holding that damn Waffle House menu?

Is he trolling us?

houstonspartan
12-08-2013, 04:09 PM
Yeah, Capers gets bashed here all of the time and he never got the 8 years that Kubiak got and hell he had to work with Carr and no O line. Capers wasn't given 3 DC's and anywhere near the slack that Kubiak had, but yet people have no problem poking fun at Capers. :chicken dance:

I haven't seen anyone wish Gary any ill will. I've stated that I don't think he should get another job in the NFL, because he doesn't deserve one. That isn't wishing him ill will. That is being fair as far as what I think he has earned or hasn't.

Agree that he doesn't deserve another HC job. And I don't think he'll get one. His offense has been exposed as stale, dated and tired.


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Playoffs
12-08-2013, 04:14 PM
I was taught to never sacrifice your class to get even with someone who has none. Let them have the gutter. Kubiak took the high road. Good luck to him in health and future success.

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MSR as usual... somebody rep Dr. Jean for me?

SAMURAITEXAN
12-08-2013, 04:21 PM
He is a class act. He loves the city and he is a Houstonian. The best of luck to Kubiak.

Hervoyel
12-08-2013, 04:39 PM
I don't think he lost the team. I think losing teams get frustrated. There is a difference.


I kind of see it the other way around. I don't think he's had the team for a long time. Not in the sense that they would do anything he asked them to do. It's always been a team where everyone said they had his back and nobody ever showed up when it counted. Nobody on this team has ever been ready to run through a brick wall for Gary. I think he was loved by his players and I think almost to a man they cared about him but they never showed up in the big games. They didn't rally around him at any time in his tenure here. He was their friend, not their leader. I sometimes wonder if it is something about the franchise itself that causes this because the only time anyone ever rallied for Capers was on opening night. Between the two of them that makes 12 years of teams that never could seem to jell and become more than just the sum of their parts. 12 years of teams that never really could convince anyone that they were on a mission.

Gary is a fine person. I think most of us like him even from a distance knowing very little about the man personally. He should by all rights be respected and be the leader we needed. He just wasn't. I think if we could figure out exactly why that didn't happen (and how to make it happen on demand) we'd be rich men in this world.

hradhak
12-08-2013, 08:37 PM
I think part of the reason gave him so much leash was that Kubiak was a nice guy. It's hard to separate personal feelings sometimes (see Cal McNair and Rick Smith)

I wish Kubiak the best. I was a supporter all the way through the middle of this season, but it became harder to support him when we our offense regressed so much relative to what it was at the beginning of last season. I'm not sure what all happened, but I think it was time to move on.

Texan_Bill
12-08-2013, 09:23 PM
Gary Kubiak is a class act, I know this may be merged but I thought it was worth having a separate thread. There are so many examples of people that have no class in today's society that this is a shining example that deserved a little attention IMHO.

Thanks again Gary for being a man and setting examples of how to handle yourself with adversity comes your way.

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Hey my friend, I am a fan of Kubes, but it was/is time to move on.... I wish McNair would've done it after the 6th loss in a row, but whatever...

Good Luck to Gary and I have no doubts he'll land on his feet...

He is "good people" which includes a relative or two that are prominent members of this board. I'm looking at you ***!!!



PS, *** knows who he is!

JB
12-08-2013, 09:30 PM
I'm looking at you ***!!!



PS, *** knows who he is!



Other ****'s know who *** is too!

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 09:55 PM
Agree to disagree my friend. :)

I know you're not being serious by saying you would give him access to your bank account and you are trying to make a point, but we don't "truly" know who anyone is just because of the perception they give in front of the camera. My guess would be that Kubiak is probably a very nice guy outside of his job. I would agree with the speculation, but speculation is all that really is. It's a moot point at the end of the day though. This is a Texans board that is centered around the team, not the personal life of Gary Kubiak. I make no apologies about the fact that I wanted Gary tossed out of here as fast as possible, because his coaching decisions deserved for him to be treated that way. When people come in here on their high horse and act it's some sort of lack of class to want that when they were just insulting the guy and calling him all kinds of names and wanting him fired just a week ago, it's extremely hypocritical. Especially from the ones that have said that many times in the past, then called him some offensive genius, but then turned around and called him horrible names again and again and repeat that same cycle. I understand your point though.

Man, you are so completely FOS. No one's up on their high horse. Most of us in this thread wanted him fired. Go read through the All Encompassing Fire Kubiak thread. I've wanted him gone since 2009. But the worst thing I've said about him is he sucks at being a head coach. I never took it to a personal level. When the man goes out of his way to thank Houstonians, I feel like it's probably a classy thing to do. And the classy response is to say "Good luck in the future". Of course we're all glad he's no longer the head coach, but that doesn't mean we have to be jackasses about it or say "don't let the door hit you on the way out". That's just classless behavior. Are you from New York or something?

Geez, it's like some of you have no fkn upbringing.

Carr Bombed
12-08-2013, 09:57 PM
Three games left. I wish Bob McNair had the courtesy to just allow him to finish the season. It would have showed some real class on McNair's part to wait until the day after the season. If he wanted to fire somebody so quickly then he should have axed Rick Smith, the main problem, first and foremost.

Bob McNair already showed enough courtesy, class, and patience by allowing the man to escape the ax back in 2010.. Bob firing Kubiak before the season's end doesn't have crap to do with Bob's "level of class" and I'm tired of people acting like it does. Bob bent over backwards (and then some) for Kubiak and gave him a hell of a lot more than any other owner would. He allowed a newb head coach the time to learn on the job and when Kubiak exhausted that time and failed..McNair gave him more time and another chance when no one else would (including most here on this board and most in this city).. that's class from a extremely patient man (to a fault). He allowed his newb head coach multiple redos on multiple mistakes that would've gotten any other coach canned years ago.. That's class, and a example of extreme patience. He allowed Kubiak more organizational control than any other owner would ever give any other newb unproven head coach.

Kubiak is a stand up guy no doubt.. a hell of a human being and a man, but let's not act like he didn't have every opportunity afforded to him or have at his disposal. The man hand picked multiple staffs and even got to hand pick his G.M. Coaches everywhere would die to have that type of control or work for a owner willing to be as patient as McNair..

Despite this he failed and lost his team in the end.. it happens. Nice guys get fired every day. It doesn't mean they are bad people, they just didn't get the job done and in the end, this is a business. Just wish him well and move on, but McNair's decision to move on now doesn't mean he's short in class.. it was just time. What would've been cruel and what would've showed a lack of class is to just string Kubiak along and allow him to continue to kick at the end of the rope for 3 more weeks, a rope that McNair already overextended him.

Everybody already knew he was gone weeks ago... including Gary Kubiak and his family. I'm sure boxes at his house were already packed. How man times during early camp cuts have we heard Kubiak say.. "well, we went ahead and cut player x" to allow him to have a chance to catch on else where, because he's a quality guy".. and then we just accepted it as class or the right thing to do? Well Tit for Tat.. it's class. Kubiak now has a leg up over a lot of other people and a head start to land another job elsewhere. McNair did him a favor.

Get well coach, sad things didn't work out, but take care of your health, and I'm sure you'll land on your feet somewhere. Next time, whenever you do get another chance.. just don't be so damn loyal, because ultimately that was your undoing.

chicagotexan2
12-08-2013, 10:02 PM
Hey my friend, I am a fan of Kubes, but it was/is time to move on.... I wish McNair would've done it after the 6th loss in a row, but whatever...

Good Luck to Gary and I have no doubts he'll land on his feet...

He is "good people" which includes a relative or two that are prominent members of this board. I'm looking at you ***!!!



PS, *** knows who he is!


Ah that explains a lot. Either way I'm with you on Kubiak. It sucks that a decent loses his job but I'm sure Kubiak will continue to do well on life.

Rey
12-08-2013, 10:11 PM
Man, you are so completely FOS. No one's up on their high horse. Most of us in this thread wanted him fired. Go read through the All Encompassing Fire Kubiak thread. I've wanted him gone since 2009. But the worst thing I've said about him is he sucks at being a head coach. I never took it to a personal level. When the man goes out of his way to thank Houstonians, I feel like it's probably a classy thing to do. And the classy response is to say "Good luck in the future". Of course we're all glad he's no longer the head coach, but that doesn't mean we have to be jackasses about it or say "don't let the door hit you on the way out". That's just classless behavior. Are you from New York or something?

Geez, it's like some of you have no fkn upbringing.

This.

Scooter
12-08-2013, 10:29 PM
Man, you are so completely FOS. No one's up on their high horse. Most of us in this thread wanted him fired. Go read through the All Encompassing Fire Kubiak thread. I've wanted him gone since 2009. But the worst thing I've said about him is he sucks at being a head coach. I never took it to a personal level. When the man goes out of his way to thank Houstonians, I feel like it's probably a classy thing to do. And the classy response is to say "Good luck in the future". Of course we're all glad he's no longer the head coach, but that doesn't mean we have to be jackasses about it or say "don't let the door hit you on the way out". That's just classless behavior. Are you from New York or something?

Geez, it's like some of you have no fkn upbringing.

:clap:

great post

Carr Bombed
12-08-2013, 10:43 PM
It seems like the problem here is people can't separate Kubiak the person, from Kubiak the coach... Same problem people had with Carr to some extent. He is a great man of principle and a great family man

Kubiak is a hell of a human being and if NFL wins were handed out on character or principal, we'd have a dynasty here.

Kubiak is a winner in life.. he's raised a great family, great kids, always shows respect, and is one of the most loyal people you'll ever meet (which can hurt you in the NFL), and stands for a lot that is good. I'll never forget the work he did with wounded warriors.. before people even knew about that cause. He was there from the get go. He's a hell of a guy.. that's NOT who McNair fired Friday morning. That's the guy that McNair gave chance after chance to.

However Kubiak the "coach", the person McNair fired.. was a losing/mediocre head coach.. and in this business ultimately that's what you're judged by. Kubiak tried his all, he just failed. It happens. Good people fail all the time.. it doesn't mean they are bad people or they can't improve. There are only 32 jobs in the world that allowed Kubiak to do what he does so in many ways he already exceeded.. There just may be somebody out there who can do a better job for the Texans right now. My only beef is the people acting like McNair pulling the trigger now is some how proof that he lacks class.. that couldn't be further from the truth. McNair gave his all and then some to the cause that was "Gary Kubiak being a successful head coach.

Lucky
12-08-2013, 10:45 PM
What's with putting a giant picture of himself in the ad, let alone one where he's holding that damn Waffle House menu?
That's how I'll always remember him.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 10:51 PM
Man, you are so completely FOS. No one's up on their high horse.

You are all over your high horse. I never said anything about him personally or wished him any ill will. You obviously have no clue what that even means. Either that or you have a hard time reading what people actually write. I don't have to wish him luck or want him to get another job in the NFL, because he doesn't deserve one which I have outlined several reasons for. I have my opinions and you are entitled to yours.

Most of us in this thread wanted him fired. Go read through the All Encompassing Fire Kubiak thread. I've wanted him gone since 2009. But the worst thing I've said about him is he sucks at being a head coach. I never took it to a personal level.

Neither did I. My criticisms have been soley on him as a coach and how he handled this team. I haven't ever even spoken about him as a man or a person outside of football and all of you who keep acting like you know him personally really don't. It's just a ton of speculation.

What I do know though is that a ton of people in this thread have bashed him relentlessly all season long and said a lot of horrible things and now all of a sudden you want to criticize me for not showing class? Sorry, but that's hypocritical. People bash the guy all season and then want to act like they appreciated him??

When the man goes out of his way to thank Houstonians, I feel like it's probably a classy thing to do. And the classy response is to say "Good luck in the future".

I don't owe Kubiak squat as a fan to give him some sort of "class" as you put it. He didn't owe me class either. He did owe the fans and the organization a genuine attempt to win this season and to see what we had for next season after he screwed the team by keeping Schaub out there for the "pick 6" record to be broken. He then continued to play Schaub until he couldn't when he was hurt. He brought him back twice after that, and refused to let go of Marciano. That is just this season where he pulled that kind of thing that hurt the team. His actions tell me that he wasn't fully committed to winning as a Head coach who is paid Millions of dollars a year for a top 10 sports franchise. You better believe I'll hold his actions accountable as a fan of this team when he has that type of position and is expected to put the team above his personal relationships. This is a coach that was still pulling this stuff in year 8 of his tenure. Hell, tons of fans were forced to root for the team to lose just to get him out of here because the man simply wouldn't let go of his love for certain players and coaches that caused a total collapse of this franchise. THAT is putting your friendships above your job and the rest of the team.

Of course we're all glad he's no longer the head coach, but that doesn't mean we have to be jackasses about it or say "don't let the door hit you on the way out". That's just classless behavior. Are you from New York or something?

Geez, it's like some of you have no fkn upbringing.

Go **** yourself Eriodic.

MEGA SWATT
12-08-2013, 10:53 PM
Thx Kubes. Best of luck in work and especially good health for you and your family.

silvrhand
12-08-2013, 10:55 PM
Thank you! The majority of this thread and the other thread are complete hypocrites. Lol! Look at the insults all season long towards Kubiak and even go back to a few years ago when they went 6-10 and he was supposed to be fired. So many fickle fans that have no idea what they want in a HC until after each game is over and then they're either praising the guy or bashing the guy the next week once they have some hind sight. Just read the game day threads.

Ben Tate was dead on when he talked about how wishy washy and fickle Houston fans in this city are. He was just foolish in the context of how he described it. Not everyone of course, but the examples have been all over this board and talk radio for years. I get bashed and criticized for having a decisive and outspoken opinion which is fine and I'll take it, but I've stayed consistent unlike the majority that can't ever make up their mind. It really exposes how much people don't understand about what they think a leader is supposed to be. I'll give Kubiak the respect of leaving gracefully, but hell what choice did he have? He took a team that was a SB contending team and ran it straight into the ground and refused to ever let go of Schaub no matter the circumstances. Man, I could pull threads all season and point out all types of examples of flip flopping stances that took place literally every week. The finger pointing here is comical. Rep is spread big time.

WTF, man I don't even know what to say, of course I've wanted Kubiak fired, but he has always been a class act in every action that I've ever seen. Kubiak wasn't the coach I would have hoped, but that doesn't mean I'm going to **** all over his decision to post something in the paper, that he didn't have to do.

So yes many of us don't always end up with the choice we had hoped for, but it's how you act at that moment that defines the person you are. Gary walked away, didn't trash the team or management, and took a full page add thanking the city for his time here.

eriadoc
12-08-2013, 10:58 PM
I don't owe Kubiak squat as a fan to give him some sort of "class" as you put it.

No, see that's the thing about class and grace. It doesn't have to be owed to display it.

Go **** yourself Eriodic.

Thanks for proving my point.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:17 PM
No, see that's the thing about class and grace. It doesn't have to be owed to display it.



Thanks for proving my point.

Lol! You fly in here with insults and you talk about class? You get what you give and you certainly don't have any yourself. Actually you proved my initial point about the hypocritical nature of some of you on this board who flip flop every other week. I'm sure if Gary Kubiak heard just a small dose of what you guys have said about him in game day threads and he wouldn't want "your version" of class at all.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:20 PM
WTF, man I don't even know what to say, of course I've wanted Kubiak fired, but he has always been a class act in every action that I've ever seen. Kubiak wasn't the coach I would have hoped, but that doesn't mean I'm going to **** all over his decision to post something in the paper, that he didn't have to do.

So yes many of us don't always end up with the choice we had hoped for, but it's how you act at that moment that defines the person you are. Gary walked away, didn't trash the team or management, and took a full page add thanking the city for his time here.

Show me where I ever **** on his decision to put that little post in the paper? You can look all over this thread and I never criticized it once. Gary is going to be just fine. He's made a ton of money in his career, and he should probably focus on his health for a substantial amount of time.

Trap_Star
12-08-2013, 11:49 PM
Hey my friend, I am a fan of Kubes, but it was/is time to move on.... I wish McNair would've done it after the 6th loss in a row, but whatever...

Good Luck to Gary and I have no doubts he'll land on his feet...

He is "good people" which includes a relative or two that are prominent members of this board. I'm looking at you ***!!!



PS, *** knows who he is!

dale murphy and TK :spy::laughjump:

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 12:12 AM
I really wanted things to work out with Kubiak but this season, like the 2010 season, went really wrong and this time, it was time to part ways. He was overly-loyal to some people and he never trusted rookies.

I expect him to go somewhere else and be successful. I think he's a good guy but personally, I don't care if my coach is a good guy or not.

I just hope McNair finds someone who's able to put together a better team than Kubiak was. It's not just about finding a guy who's a good coach but finding the right guy for THIS situation. I think that's going to be a lot harder than some of you seem to and I think there's a very, very good chance that McNair and Smith choose the absolutely wrong guy and set us back several years. I'm actually expecting it.

The Third Man
12-09-2013, 12:18 AM
And thank the lord for that. Let him drag Schaub, Marciano, and Smith to another franchise and put them above the team. Sorry, but I don't consider that to be "classy" nor do I care about having a classy head coach. You fans that want a nice guy over a winner can save your lectures because many of you have failed to understand that the NFL is a business and Kubiak didn't take his job seriously nor did he respect the entire team by allowing people to keep their jobs all because they were his buddies. In most businesses people call that unprofessional. Many of us have had to listen to you sunshiners make to irrational excuses and spin efforts for Kubiak for 8 years that were mind boggling. You sunshiners have spewed venom at fans who wanted accountability for years now. The chickens have come home to roost.

Nobody cares what you want as a coach. You are another internet warrior who fights imaginary battles that amount to a sum total of nothing. Stack your accomplishments up to the worst NFL coach and I bet you haven't done much to warrant all of these pissy lectures on accountability.

Scooter
12-09-2013, 01:54 AM
that's quite a feat, 11 years and tex is only the 2nd member to make the ignore list. the first was a titans troll that took too long to get kicked lol.

Bulls on Parade
12-09-2013, 02:08 AM
I still say there is nothing positive to gain from firing a head coach with three games left to play in the season. All that will happen is Wade Phillips will look like a fool after the Colts, Broncos and Titans spank us. I don't even expect a one score loss like we've had the last seven games. All of which were very competitive games. We could have fired Kubiak the day after the season ended. It's not like the Texans are going to find their replacement head coach until the season is over anyways.

Scooter
12-09-2013, 02:17 AM
after seeing the results, i can see it in a way. kubiak was out, we all knew that. it's disappointing that he didnt get to finish the season, especially as at least a thank you for the hard work, but mcnair's right in that we have to do what's best for the organization - and right now that's getting a head start on the search for the next coach. with teams like washington and tennessee and many others who will be on the hunt as well, it makes sense to get the jump. two of our main targets are currently available, lovie and shaw, if we can come to an agreement with the guy we want before other teams it could be very important (unless i'm misunderstanding how and when the interviews work).

Brisco_County
12-09-2013, 08:38 AM
Kubiak represented this franchise and Houston well. Good luck, Gary.

Brisco_County
12-09-2013, 08:45 AM
Kubiak is a winner in life.. he's raised a great family, great kids, always shows respect, and is one of the most loyal people you'll ever meet (which can hurt you in the NFL), and stands for a lot that is good. I'll never forget the work he did with wounded warriors.. before people even knew about that cause. He was there from the get go. He's a hell of a guy.. that's NOT who McNair fired Friday morning. That's the guy that McNair gave chance after chance to.


Good post.

And turned the other way, fans who cannot separate their ego from entertainment are losers at life.

HOU-TEX
12-09-2013, 08:48 AM
Great guy, no doubt!

Gary might've had his share of shortcomings as a HC, but his team played hard for him all the way to the end. Unlike his mentor, where the Skins opened a big ass can of quit yesterday.

I've said it before, but he'll quickly land on his feet and be back at the grind in some fashion next season.

:tiphat:

Hervoyel
12-09-2013, 09:13 AM
I still say there is nothing positive to gain from firing a head coach with three games left to play in the season. All that will happen is Wade Phillips will look like a fool after the Colts, Broncos and Titans spank us. I don't even expect a one score loss like we've had the last seven games. All of which were very competitive games. We could have fired Kubiak the day after the season ended. It's not like the Texans are going to find their replacement head coach until the season is over anyways.

Which will make it easier to more or less ignore his interview for the job. I don't think Bob wants Wade Phillips to be his next HC. Many would not think Bob capable of that kind of move but he did do pretty well in the business world over the years. I'm sure he's sent a popular but unwanted employee to fall on his sword before.

steelbtexan
12-09-2013, 09:34 AM
I really wanted things to work out with Kubiak but this season, like the 2010 season, went really wrong and this time, it was time to part ways. He was overly-loyal to some people and he never trusted rookies.

I expect him to go somewhere else and be successful. I think he's a good guy but personally, I don't care if my coach is a good guy or not.

I just hope McNair finds someone who's able to put together a better team than Kubiak was. It's not just about finding a guy who's a good coach but finding the right guy for THIS situation. I think that's going to be a lot harder than some of you seem to and I think there's a very, very good chance that McNair and Smith choose the absolutely wrong guy and set us back several years. I'm actually expecting it.

Great post

My thoughts exactly

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 09:48 AM
that's quite a feat, 11 years and tex is only the 2nd member to make the ignore list. the first was a titans troll that took too long to get kicked lol.

And you had to make an announcement about it. Lol! Get back in your high horse and stroll on then.

Blake
12-09-2013, 10:03 AM
Kubiak just playing the PR game for his next gig.

2012Champs
12-09-2013, 10:08 AM
And you had to make an announcement about it. Lol! Get back in your high horse and stroll on then.



Getting in your high horse might be a little messy

Carr Bombed
12-09-2013, 10:20 AM
Kubiak just playing the PR game for his next gig.

Newspaper post or not, he didn't have to to play a PR game to get another gig.. he'll get another gig (there will be plenty of coordinator jobs out there). It just won't be another HCing job, because he's not a HC. We hired Wade and tried to fly with two top coordinators, which didn't work... hopefully we finally find a true HC (something this team has never had) that can bring along two strong coordinators that work underneath him. That's what this team needs and is the only thing that will get them over the top.

silvrhand
12-09-2013, 10:32 AM
Kubiak just playing the PR game for his next gig.

You really think that's what his post was about, are we really that cynical that we can't believe he really was vested in trying to get the Texans where we all wanted them to be?

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 10:35 AM
Newspaper post or not, he didn't have to to play a PR game to get another gig.. he'll get another gig (there will be plenty of coordinator jobs out there). It just won't be another HCing job, because he's not a HC.

This gets said by fans of every team in the league who don't have a retread coach, is commonly said about failing retreads and it was said about the retreads in their previous gigs. Basically it is said every time a coach is fired.

It's fanism not reality.

Trail.Blazr
12-09-2013, 10:44 AM
I still say there is nothing positive to gain from firing a head coach with three games left to play in the season. All that will happen is Wade Phillips will look like a fool after the Colts, Broncos and Titans spank us. I don't even expect a one score loss like we've had the last seven games. All of which were very competitive games. We could have fired Kubiak the day after the season ended. It's not like the Texans are going to find their replacement head coach until the season is over anyways.

I can think of one potential positive. Seems like I recall weeks ago, McNair came out of a minority owners meeting, with a consensus feedback that Gary Must GO. Since then, I've seen nothing to suggest any probable change in that mantra. So, and this is speculation, maybe McNair wasn't too quick to pull the trigger weeks ago, hoping a few more weeks could make a difference. With what has been seen in those weeks since, I'd be guessing the minority owners interest's were a consideration after the Jags game, that finally outweighed Bob's loyalty to Kubiak. At some point, Bob has to protect his financial interests. So potentially, this saves some financial backing to the organization?

Rey
12-09-2013, 11:37 AM
This gets said by fans of every team in the league who don't have a retread coach, is commonly said about failing retreads and it was said about the retreads in their previous gigs. Basically it is said every time a coach is fired.

It's fanism not reality.

Sounds like an opinion to me.

All head coaches are not equal. Just because Lovie smith might get another HC job doesn't mean Mike munchak will.

Double Barrel
12-09-2013, 11:46 AM
I will always appreciate Kubiak for taking this franchise to another level, regardless of how long it took or how it ended.

He took over an expansion franchise that never had a winning record, and left it with two division titles and two playoff wins. It's not Hall of Fame stuff, but it is 1000 times better than going two decades without a winning record (like the Saints).

All the other aspects is just water under the bridge now. Kubiak is gone. Time to lick our wounds and move forward.

I'm cool with his farewell. Head coaches rarely hold press conferences after they are fired for obvious reasons. So this is his way of showing gratitude to everyone and having some closure to the situation. Time for him to lick his wounds and move forward, as well.

Carr Bombed
12-09-2013, 01:27 PM
This gets said by fans of every team in the league who don't have a retread coach, is commonly said about failing retreads and it was said about the retreads in their previous gigs. Basically it is said every time a coach is fired.

It's fanism not reality.

Name the teams.

Kubiak is just like his DC.. a coordinator for hire, and he will be hired as long as he still wants to work. He just will never be given another head coaching job.

That's not "fansim" that's reality. If Kubiak wants to coach again, he'll land another coordinator position. He just crapped the bed when it came to the head coaching gig.

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 01:56 PM
Name the teams.

Kubiak is just like his DC.. a coordinator for hire, and he will be hired as long as he still wants to work. He just will never be given another head coaching job.

That's not "fansim" that's reality. If Kubiak wants to coach again, he'll land another coordinator position. He just crapped the bed when it came to the head coaching gig.

Well every includes all of them now doesn't it? Look at an NFL HC being fired and fans are saying either he isn't an NFL HC because he came from college or he is just a coordinator. See Belichick & Carroll.

Bringing up Wade proves the point on the fallacy of your "he will never be given another head coaching job." He got three shots at it and after the 2012 season folks were talking about him getting a fourth. Norv Turner three chances. Schottenheimer four chances.

Double Barrel
12-09-2013, 03:49 PM
I would not be surprised at all if/when Kubiak gets another head coaching gig.

While it took some time to build a 2-14 team to a playoff team, he still did it. He inherited a crap team with absolutely zero experience at winning seasons. And he left it with two division titles.

Perception is what matters, and the fact is that Kubiak is relatively young for coaches and has championship pedigree in his history could definitely be something that gives him another shot.

Thorn
12-09-2013, 04:13 PM
I would not be surprised at all if/when Kubiak gets another head coaching gig.

While it took some time to build a 2-14 team to a playoff team, he still did it. He inherited a crap team with absolutely zero experience at winning seasons. And he left it with two division titles.

Perception is what matters, and the fact is that Kubiak is relatively young for coaches and has championship pedigree in his history could definitely be something that gives him another shot.

Titans will fire Munchak, we'll hire him and the Titans will hire Kubiak. It'll serve us both right. LOL

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 04:14 PM
Titans will fire Munchak, we'll hire him and the Titans will hire Kubiak. It'll serve us both right. LOL

That same thought crossed my mind but I didn't want it to gain any weight in reality so I didn't type it or say it out loud.

Thanks, Thorn.

NOW, we're doomed.

Thorn
12-09-2013, 04:17 PM
That same thought crossed my mind but I didn't want it to gain any weight in reality so I didn't type it or say it out loud.

Thanks, Thorn.

NOW, we're doomed.

If that actually happened, there wouldn't be enough alcohol and drugs on the planet to help Texan and Titan fans.

thunderkyss
12-09-2013, 04:21 PM
Damn fine man. Part of why I waffled on bashing his performance on the field over the years is because I really wanted him to succeed. I like the man, and I really, really wanted him to win here. Would have been the fairy tale ending, so to speak.

Good luck, Kubiak. Hope the things you learned from this gig serve you well in the future.

I don't like the way some of us "talk" to/about some of our players/coaches. It's the whole internet tough guy thing. I doubt they would talk to/about those people that way if they were face to face with them.

& if they would.... I really don't want to associate with them.

Kubiak/Smith/Marciano/Bush, they all deserved the criticism they got, I'm not saying any different. But they also deserve a little respect.

Some of us could learn a little from Kubiak (granted he does drop the F bomb quite a bit on game day).

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 04:23 PM
Some of us could learn a little from Kubiak (granted he does drop the F bomb quite a bit on game day).

I drop the F-Bomb quite a bit on game day, too.

I don't think I learned that from him.

Blake
12-09-2013, 04:24 PM
Kubiak just playing the PR game for his next gig.

You really think that's what his post was about, are we really that cynical that we can't believe he really was vested in trying to get the Texans where we all wanted them to be?

Not sure what you are trying to say here. What does Kubiak wanting to win have to do with caring about you and me? "THE BEST FANS IN THE NFL!!!"

Double Barrel
12-09-2013, 04:28 PM
I drop the F-Bomb quite a bit on game day, too.

I don't think I learned that from him.

Gary has a potty mouth.

It's actually one of the things that I relate with! :handshake:

thunderkyss
12-09-2013, 04:31 PM
I don't think he wanted to fire anyone until the end of the season, but he felt very strongly that he wanted to evaluate Keenum with the remaining time and Kubiak was undercutting that goal. This is one of the few examples I can think of where firing a coach midseason actually accomplishes something.

& here's my problem with that.

It's Gary Kubiak's job to evaluate/develop Case Keenum. Getting benched, again, against Jacksonville, again is probably the catalyst he needs to finally beat a blitz.

It's also possible that Kubiak already knows what McNair is soon to find out.

Secondly.... I agree putting Matt on the field doesn't help us in any way, other than preventing Case from developing too many bad habits. But benching Case was not "the" reason to get upset Thursday. That defense, his boy Wade's defense, was atrocious. Even worse than the stagnant offense. Wade should have been benching people. 2 games less than 3 weeks apart & we surrender 27+ points to a team that averaged 14.4 ppg.

Wade should have been fired. If not for Bum passing away a month ago, he should have been fired back then. Hopefully Kubiak saw the writing on the wall & fell on the sword out of respect for Bum.

Otherwise, McNair's misplaced anger seems a bit knee-jerk(jeerah if you will) to me. Benching Case does not "end" the Keenum era. It's part of developing a young QB. Now, Case doesn't have to worry about pissing Wade off. Wade knows he's out of a job if he benches Case. Somehow Case hasn't won a game, but he's "earned" the starting job even if just for the rest of the season.

That doesn't make sense.

thunderkyss
12-09-2013, 04:36 PM
I drop the F-Bomb quite a bit on game day, too.

I don't think I learned that from him.

Ha-ha.... my point there, I don't want anyone to get upset with me, or think I'm talking about them because they say things a certain way in the heat of battle. That's understandable.

But we don't need to berate these guys on what's supposed to be a civilized forum.

TexansFight
12-09-2013, 04:55 PM
And thank the lord for that. Let him drag Schaub, Marciano, and Smith to another franchise and put them above the team. Sorry, but I don't consider that to be "classy" nor do I care about having a classy head coach. You fans that want a nice guy over a winner can save your lectures because many of you have failed to understand that the NFL is a business and Kubiak didn't take his job seriously nor did he respect the entire team by allowing people to keep their jobs all because they were his buddies. In most businesses people call that unprofessional. Many of us have had to listen to you sunshiners make to irrational excuses and spin efforts for Kubiak for 8 years that were mind boggling. You sunshiners have spewed venom at fans who wanted accountability for years now. The chickens have come home to roost.

You took the words out of my mouth. I need to buy you a beer.

Carr Bombed
12-10-2013, 01:26 AM
Well every includes all of them now doesn't it? Look at an NFL HC being fired and fans are saying either he isn't an NFL HC because he came from college or he is just a coordinator. See Belichick & Carroll.

Bringing up Wade proves the point on the fallacy of your "he will never be given another head coaching job." He got three shots at it and after the 2012 season folks were talking about him getting a fourth. Norv Turner three chances. Schottenheimer four chances.

Isn't that the definition of "every"?

and brining up Wade proves my point as Wade actually has a winning record as a head coach (unlike Kubiak) and even though he had a winning record he wasn't hired to be a head coach at most of his stops.. he back his way into the job after the head coach was fired. So bringing him up PROVES my point. Kubiak has no shot at being hired to HC a outside of being a coordinator for a head coach that gets fired.

Texecutioner
12-10-2013, 09:22 AM
Isn't that the definition of "every"?

and brining up Wade proves my point as Wade actually has a winning record as a head coach (unlike Kubiak) and even though he had a winning record he wasn't hired to be a head coach at most of his stops.. he back his way into the job after the head coach was fired. So bringing him up PROVES my point. Kubiak has no shot at being hired to HC a outside of being a coordinator for a head coach that gets fired.

I think that people are seriously on something if they actually think that Kubiak is going to get any kind of HC jobs any time soon. Teams and fans around the country have gotten to watch the Texans for years. Hell, I used to frequent the Patriots board, and they never feared the Texans due to Kubiak's style of coaching. Even right now on a Patriots board, a lot of Patriots fans even seemed worried now that Kubiak is gone, because they believe the Texans have a lot of talent and could have a "Chiefs like" turnaround and be a big player in the AFC again. But why would any team offer Kubiak a job when his team that had a great winning streak last season completely withered out of control and it carried onto this season into what a 12 game losing streak to where he had to be fired?? Teams don't hire coaches after that. Not even Al Davis would have been that foolish. Not even the Broncos would have hired Kubiak if Manning and Fox weren't there. Kubiak might get an OC job in a year or two, but I wouldn't expect that in this off season. I highly doubt that Kubiak will ever get another HC job again. Hell, Dom Capers has never gotten another HC job again. I don't think he has ever even been interviewed for one, but I could be mistaken on that.

thunderkyss
12-10-2013, 11:39 AM
But why would any team offer Kubiak a job when his team that had a great winning streak last season completely withered out of control and it carried onto this season into what a 12 game losing streak to where he had to be fired?? Teams don't hire coaches after that. Not even Al Davis would have been that foolish. Not even the Broncos would have hired Kubiak if Manning and Fox weren't there. Kubiak might get an OC job in a year or two, but I wouldn't expect that in this off season. I highly doubt that Kubiak will ever get another HC job again. Hell, Dom Capers has never gotten another HC job again. I don't think he has ever even been interviewed for one, but I could be mistaken on that.

This was Dom Capers second HC job. So it's not really the same thing.

I still think we are in better shape than Buffalo, Jacksonville, Tennessee, & Cleveland. If I were the owner/gm of those teams I'd interview Kubiak for a HC position, or maybe a Front Office position.

I also think Kubiak will get a job as an OC in 2014, if he wanted.

gafftop
12-11-2013, 07:51 AM
Great guy. Probably too nice to be a head coach in the NFL these days.

htownfan32
12-11-2013, 07:56 AM
& here's my problem with that.

It's Gary Kubiak's job to evaluate/develop Case Keenum. Getting benched, again, against Jacksonville, again is probably the catalyst he needs to finally beat a blitz.

It's also possible that Kubiak already knows what McNair is soon to find out.

Secondly.... I agree putting Matt on the field doesn't help us in any way, other than preventing Case from developing too many bad habits. But benching Case was not "the" reason to get upset Thursday. That defense, his boy Wade's defense, was atrocious. Even worse than the stagnant offense. Wade should have been benching people. 2 games less than 3 weeks apart & we surrender 27+ points to a team that averaged 14.4 ppg.

Wade should have been fired. If not for Bum passing away a month ago, he should have been fired back then. Hopefully Kubiak saw the writing on the wall & fell on the sword out of respect for Bum.

Otherwise, McNair's misplaced anger seems a bit knee-jerk(jeerah if you will) to me. Benching Case does not "end" the Keenum era. It's part of developing a young QB. Now, Case doesn't have to worry about pissing Wade off. Wade knows he's out of a job if he benches Case. Somehow Case hasn't won a game, but he's "earned" the starting job even if just for the rest of the season.

That doesn't make sense.

I agree with this post fully. I don't want a Dan Snyder-Redskins type situation here with the coach, the "star QB" (if you can call Keenum that) and the owner all pulling in different directions. McNair may have inadvertently made Keenum untouchable.