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2slik4u
12-08-2013, 09:17 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbWWz

Sorry for being lazy and not posting article. Doing from phone.

kingtexan
12-08-2013, 09:27 AM
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...

2slik4u
12-08-2013, 09:33 AM
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...

Initially I wasn't thrilled about this but after digging into his past and reading up on him I think we can certainly do worse.

Still not my first choice...

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 09:48 AM
Never really heard of this consultant. He never made it in the coaching ranks beyond positional coaching, but has somehow managed to become the head of this supposedly respected "sports search" entity.

Jed Hughes serves as vice chair and leader of executive search firm Korn/Ferry's global sports practice. He is a pioneer of senior-level search and organizational assessment in the world of sports. Jed's high profile placements include New York Jets GM John Idzik; Mark Murphy, CEO of the Green Bay Packers; Larry Scott, Commissioner of the Pac-12; Bob Bowlsby, Commissioner of the Big 12; Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke, the athletic director and the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines respectively. Jed has conducted searches for the USOC, LPGA, PGA of America, Seattle Seahawks, Cleveland Browns, Arsenal Football Club, Liverpool Football Club, Ohio State, ATP Tour, and Women’s Tennis Association, among others. Earlier in his career, Jed coached in pro and college football under five Hall of Fame coaches: Chuck Noll (Pittsburgh Steelers), Bud Grant (Minnesota Vikings), Bo Schembechler (Michigan), John Ralston (Stanford) and Terry Donahue (UCLA).

Jed holds a B.A. from Gettysburg College, an M.A. from Stanford, and a Ph.D. from the University of Michigan with a focus on organizational behavior. He has written white papers that include: "Succession Planning – The Retail Black Hole,” "An Old Game with New Challenges - Leadership at a Crossroads in Intercollegiate Sports,” and “Survival in the Sports Entertainment Business: The New Darwinism?”link (http://bleacherreport.com/users/816677-jed-hughes)


Sanford......Hmmmmmm........

santo
12-08-2013, 09:48 AM
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.

2slik4u
12-08-2013, 09:53 AM
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.

I will be pretty upset if shanny comes to Houston. I think the game has passed his style of offense up (I.e. Kubiak's style as well).

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 09:58 AM
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...

Yeah watching a team coached by a guy that took a team to a SB and deep into the playoffs would just be way to difficult. Join the Cowboys then or follow Kubes wherever he goes.

Lucky
12-08-2013, 10:05 AM
Lovie meets the Rooney Rule requirement, at worst. I just think there will be higher profile candidates. I will be watching with keen interest when the CBS pregame show discusses the opening.


Stanford......Hmmmmmm........
Also has ties with Pittsburgh......hmmmm.......

JB
12-08-2013, 10:16 AM
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind

YeaLikeRightNow
12-08-2013, 10:20 AM
Supposedly in another thread, Mike Shanahan is considered if he is fired in Washington. I'd rather take Lovie between the two.

Ya know, as long as he brings Kyle along..that might work. Shanahan still has fire...by the way he turns red and the veins in his neck swell up, he still has it, and his son can always take the reins after Mike's had enough of it all.

IDEXAN
12-08-2013, 10:27 AM
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 10:27 AM
If we hire Smith, it will free up my Sundays for quite some time.

Texans wont be fit to watch ...

I like Lovie Smith a lot more than I like the Chin or Chucky. Those two will bring a three ring affair with them.

Ya know, as long as he brings Kyle along..that might work. Shanahan still has fire...by the way he turns red and the veins in his neck swell up, he still has it, and his son can always take the reins after Mike's had enough of it all.

Uh... if we're thinking about our next coaches' future replacement before we even hire him... we're barking up the wrong tree.

2slik4u
12-08-2013, 10:28 AM
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind

Good point.

ChampionTexan
12-08-2013, 10:34 AM
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind

I would hope - and I believe - Wade is gone regardless, but I understand what you're saying. We need as fresh a start as we can get.

Pantherstang84
12-08-2013, 10:40 AM
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.

Hope this wrong. Shows McNair is a bigger dumbass than I thought.

Uncle Rico
12-08-2013, 10:47 AM
Why all the love for Sumlin? The guy is the college level Gruden, taking over a built up roster from Briles and then just putting it on cruise control. Everything he learned he learned from Briles, I'd rather just go for the tree than a fruit off of it.

2slik4u
12-08-2013, 10:50 AM
Why all the love for Sumlin? The guy is the college level Gruden, taking over a built up roster from Briles and then just putting it on cruise control. Everything he learned he learned from Briles, I'd rather just go for the tree than a fruit off of it.

I want nothing to do with Sumlin. Not saying he's a bad coach just saying he hasn't mastered the college level yet. He's tasted minimal success with a phenomenal QB. It will be telling what he does next season with JF.

guichows6
12-08-2013, 10:50 AM
God I hope not. NO TO LOVE SMITH!! We need s young up and coming coach. I do much about David Shaw, but I hear he could be the next great young coach.

Stemp
12-08-2013, 11:05 AM
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.

Sumlin's contract has been signed, happened the day after the mizzou game. Just hasn't been ratified by the board of regents.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 11:24 AM
I think Rappaport and Mr. Hand are just flinging monkey poo to see what sticks.

deucetx
12-08-2013, 11:32 AM
Being also a Bears fan I'm not totally against Lovie. My issue with him is he has to have a good offensive coordinator since he basically leaves that side of the ball totally to them. He hasn't had a strong track record in this area. That is his biggest negative. The second is I am grew overly tired of the cover 2 'bend and don't break' system. It sometimes kept the opposition in the game too often. At the same time the guy knew how to coach a team to make turnovers.

Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman. He had a decent roster and got wins. That isn't an easy accomplishment. There's a reason his GM was fired a year before him after all. The talent on the roster was not adequate especially on the offensive side of the ball. Yet he got to NFC title games and Superbowl. We haven't reached either (well AFC title game) here.

IlliniJen
12-08-2013, 11:33 AM
If the Texans hire Lovie Smith, pretty much assures that Wade Phillips will be gone.... that's a good thing in my mind

This.

Plus, Lovie is a good coach. While not necessarily my first choice, he's on the short list. He took Sexy Rexy to the Superbowl. All he would need is a good OC. I don't think he was gifted in Chicago with good OCs.

Thorn
12-08-2013, 11:33 AM
I'll pass on this rumor and wait for the next one. LOL

amazing80
12-08-2013, 11:38 AM
Lovie smith is getting way too much flack on this site. He is a defensive mastermind especially in the tampa 2, which by the way might fit our TEAM quite well. His only downfall is on offense, but thats why you hire a great OC to go with him. IF big daddy Mike is fired in Washington you could potentially get Kyle here and who knows, once out from the gary/mike stamp, he could be good.

Or you bring in someone else who runs a ZBS so that our current ol still is effective.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 11:38 AM
Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman.

Cowher got to the SB in his 4th season and lost to the Cowboys. It then took him 10 years to get back and win.

Texian
12-08-2013, 11:39 AM
I think Rappaport and Mr. Hand are just flinging monkey poo to see what sticks.

I think Rick Smith is a Mole, a snitch with a direct line to Ian Rapport, Mike Silver and Peter King. Explains Rapport's insider story a month a go and how Peter King was the first to know Kubiak was fired. Also explains why NFLN is always effusive in their praise of Rick Smith, always saying what a great GM Smith has been and how he has assembled the best talent in the league. The reporters are using Smith and Smith used the reporters to throw coaches under the bus and to save his job. Pay attention, these reporters have a direct line inside Kirby Lane.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 11:46 AM
I think Rick Smith is a Mole, a snitch with a direct line to Ian Rapport, Mike Silver and Peter King. Explains Rapport's insider story a month a go and how Peter King was the first to know Kubiak was fired. Also explains why NFLN is always effusive in their praise of Rick Smith, always saying what a great GM Smith has been and how he has assembled the best talent in the league. The reporters are using Smith and Smith used the reporters to throw coaches under the bus and to save his job. Pay attention, these reporters have a direct line inside Kirby Lane.

Good, because we know those quacks in Houston (reporters) don't know **** about the team and have zero inside knowledge. Every team "leaks" info, its part of the game, quit trolling every thread with your hate for Smith. He is here, he is staying, let it go. I will guarantee you have no idea wtf you're talking about and I can almost bet my house you "think" our cap is in bad shape, which shows your lack of knowledge for the nfl, the cap system and Rick Smith. Grab your controller and go back to playing Madden and let the man do his job.

Playoffs
12-08-2013, 12:13 PM
Texans will "reach out" through their headhunter to at least 10 potential candidates.

And it's not http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/emot-airquote.gifnews that we're looking for a new HC and who fits the requirements. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

Texian
12-08-2013, 12:17 PM
Good, because we know those quacks in Houston (reporters) don't know **** about the team and have zero inside knowledge. Every team "leaks" info, its part of the game, quit trolling every thread with your hate for Smith. He is here, he is staying, let it go. I will guarantee you have no idea wtf you're talking about and I can almost bet my house you "think" our cap is in bad shape, which shows your lack of knowledge for the nfl, the cap system and Rick Smith. Grab your controller and go back to playing Madden and let the man do his job.

I can see you need some help connecting the dots. Also if you have an agenda and a message you want to get out you use the National Media vs the local media.

A month ago NFLN/Ian Rapport reported whispers from inside the Texans Front Office;

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process and, according to Rapoport, keeping the team’s stars on the field too long. A string of defensive collapses have been pinned on a D-line that wears down late, something the Texans were guilty of against the Colts after interim coach Wade Phillips stepped in for Kubiak two Sundays ago."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000280291/article/gary-kubiak-returns-to-texans-following-ministroke

The Peter King/MMQB/Smith connection;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/10/rick-smith-mmqb/

Now if you choose to ignore the evidence that is your prerogative. Put your head back in the sand or crawl back under the covers and "Sweet Dreams".

amazing80
12-08-2013, 12:31 PM
I can see you need some help connecting the dots. Also if you have an agenda and a message you want to get out you use the National Media vs the local media.

A month ago NFLN/Ian Rapport reported whispers from inside the Texans Front Office;

"That frustration channels from the coaching staff holding too much sway over the draft process and, according to Rapoport, keeping the team’s stars on the field too long. A string of defensive collapses have been pinned on a D-line that wears down late, something the Texans were guilty of against the Colts after interim coach Wade Phillips stepped in for Kubiak two Sundays ago."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000280291/article/gary-kubiak-returns-to-texans-following-ministroke

The Peter King/MMQB/Smith connection;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/10/rick-smith-mmqb/

Now if you choose to ignore the evidence that is your prerogative. Put your head back in the sand or crawl back under the covers and "Sweet Dreams".

Learn to read. I never said HE DIDN'T DO THAT. I said, why would he NOT DO IT? do you understand the difference? because the wasted words you just spewed suggests otherwise. So let me slow it down and sound it out so its EASIER for you.

Rick Smith prefers to "leak" info. to the national media because our local reporters are idiots. NOT to mention, Ed Reed said the same crap that Ian reported right before he was cut. It's no wonder the reports are coming out. Rick Smith was smart in cutting his ties from Gary as he saw the writing on the wall. All you "wanna" be gms who complain about Smith are unrealistic about expectations (wanting every draft pick to be a stud and wanting every free agent brought in to be the greatest thing since sliced bread) when the reality is, he is just like all the other top GMs in the league. Makes great picks and makes horrible picks, signs guys to great team friendly contracts but will occasionally over pay a few. Its part of the job. But people like you just complain for the sake of it and its stating to get real irritating. So if you want to be "wishy washy" and run your mouth drive a few hours north and root for Jerrys team, otherwise shut up, sit back and enjoy the fact you got rid of your coach and are on the verge of bringing in a legit head coach.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 12:32 PM
I would hope - and I believe - Wade is gone regardless, but I understand what you're saying. We need as fresh a start as we can get.

Not just that, but he gave up 27+ points to the 14 ppg Jags..... twice. The Defensive guru thing should be put to bed already.

Texian
12-08-2013, 12:39 PM
Learn to read. I never said HE DIDN'T DO THAT. I said, why would he NOT DO IT? do you understand the difference? because the wasted words you just spewed suggests otherwise. So let me slow it down and sound it out so its EASIER for you.

Rick Smith prefers to "leak" info. to the national media because our local reporters are idiots. NOT to mention, Ed Reed said the same crap that Ian reported right before he was cut. It's no wonder the reports are coming out. Rick Smith was smart in cutting his ties from Gary as he saw the writing on the wall. All you "wanna" be gms who complain about Smith are unrealistic about expectations (wanting every draft pick to be a stud and wanting every free agent brought in to be the greatest thing since sliced bread) when the reality is, he is just like all the other top GMs in the league. Makes great picks and makes horrible picks, signs guys to great team friendly contracts but will occasionally over pay a few. Its part of the job. But people like you just complain for the sake of it and its stating to get real irritating. So if you want to be "wishy washy" and run your mouth drive a few hours north and root for Jerrys team, otherwise shut up, sit back and enjoy the fact you got rid of your coach and are on the verge of bringing in a legit head coach.

Jerah's team is a lot like Bob's team. Both are under the illusion that they have the most talented team in the league. Both have a salary cap situation that does not allow them to get any better. Both over the last 8 years are average and ordinary. Both have teams who have difficulty beating .500 or > teams in the league. Rooting for one is like rooting for the other.

ThaShark316
12-08-2013, 12:49 PM
Black Kubiak? Nah, bruh.

Just interview him for Rooney Rule's sake and let him go somewhere else.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 12:57 PM
Black Kubiak? Nah, bruh.

Just interview him for Rooney Rule's sake and let him go somewhere else.

What does his race have to do with anything? And considering the fact that all you ever did was spew failed arguments for Kubiak, well this post is comical to say the least.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Jerah's team is a lot like Bob's team. Both are under the illusion that they have the most talented team in the league. Both have a salary cap situation that does not allow them to get any better. Both over the last 8 years are average and ordinary. Both have teams who have difficulty beating .500 or > teams in the league. Rooting for one is like rooting for the other.

There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in. To suggest our cap is anything like the Cowboys is just grossly incorrect. This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.

Jackie Chiles
12-08-2013, 01:07 PM
Lovie is interesting because his teams have historically been very strong in two categories that we have been historically inept; creating turnovers and special teams. This legitimately excites me. His defenses have also been far superior to what we have trotted out and that includes our recent run of decent to good defense (which looks like its back to below average now). Overall I think hes an upgrade over Gary and we could certainly do worse.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 01:10 PM
Lovie is interesting because his teams have historically been very strong in two categories that we have been historically inept; creating turnovers and special teams. This legitimately excites me. His defenses have also been far superior to what we have trotted out and that includes our recent run of decent to good defense (which looks like its back to below average now). Overall I think hes an upgrade over Gary and we could certainly do worse.

I agree about defenses and special teams especially because I feel our current talent would do great in a tampa 2. BUT I am really concerned with his lack of offensive skills and his lack of hiring offensive guys. He had a hand in who was brought in during his time in Chicago and yet time after time his offenses failed. Plus his eye for talent on offense was equally as bad. We would really need a strong offensive mind with him.

burro
12-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Lovie smith is getting way too much flack on this site. He is a defensive mastermind especially in the tampa 2, which by the way might fit our TEAM quite well. His only downfall is on offense, but thats why you hire a great OC to go with him. IF big daddy Mike is fired in Washington you could potentially get Kyle here and who knows, once out from the gary/mike stamp, he could be good.

Or you bring in someone else who runs a ZBS so that our current ol still is effective.

Are you implying that our current oline is effective? :kitten:

I personally would rather the ZBS, and the rest of the current offensive philosophy leave with Kubiak. It's not 1997, it's time for something fresh.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 01:17 PM
I personally would rather the ZBS, and the rest of the current offensive philosophy leave with Kubiak. It's not 1997, it's time for something fresh.

You realize other teams, like the Seahawks, use ZBS right?

Naija Texan
12-08-2013, 01:19 PM
Lovie wouldn't be a bad hire provided we got some one better then the dudes he had in Chicago to handle the offense.

Defensively, no matter what this team is set with talent to be competitive, the offense is the concern, especially given that it has failed even with the a guy that built it from the ground up at the the helm, meaning we need to get someone that can reconfigure it fast so we know what we have or don't have going forward.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 01:21 PM
You realize other teams, like the Seahawks, use ZBS right?

how dare you use logic and not just throw out incorrect statements. Do you think you're better than us :chickendance:

DBCooper
12-08-2013, 01:22 PM
I think Lovie Smith is a solid coach, also.

Is he the best of the best? I don't think so, but I like his style better than Kubes and Wade.

I like the takes on how our special teams will fare under him!

Get a crackerjack young OC in the mix and we might turn this ship around.

PHILLYTEXANFAN
12-08-2013, 01:26 PM
@Amazing80 Rick Smith BA LOWS!!! This team has some pretty bad contracts right now, and we ARE tight with cap

Texian
12-08-2013, 01:27 PM
There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in.This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.

Here is what AD Brandt had to say, Brandt is a lawyer and has worked in NFL front office negotiating contracts and managing salary cap. He knows,

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h

It's not good. RT @LegendKiller613 How bad is the #Texans cap situation?

maybe you should study up on the salary cap so you can be better informed.....just a thought.

Hervoyel
12-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Being also a Bears fan I'm not totally against Lovie. My issue with him is he has to have a good offensive coordinator since he basically leaves that side of the ball totally to them. He hasn't had a strong track record in this area. That is his biggest negative. The second is I am grew overly tired of the cover 2 'bend and don't break' system. It sometimes kept the opposition in the game too often. At the same time the guy knew how to coach a team to make turnovers.

Positives are that he won. Folks are throwing Cowher's name who took forever to get to a Superbowl but spurn Lovie who got there with freaking Rex Grossman. He had a decent roster and got wins. That isn't an easy accomplishment. There's a reason his GM was fired a year before him after all. The talent on the roster was not adequate especially on the offensive side of the ball. Yet he got to NFC title games and Superbowl. We haven't reached either (well AFC title game) here.

Cowher got to the Super Bowl in his fourth season and he did it with Neil O'Donnell.

He just took ten more years after that to get back and win one.

darnbni99a
12-08-2013, 01:53 PM
I will be pretty upset if shanny comes to Houston. I think the game has passed his style of offense up (I.e. Kubiak's style as well).

agreed….

JB
12-08-2013, 01:54 PM
Here is what AD Brandt had to say, Brandt is a lawyer and has worked in NFL front office negotiating contracts and managing salary cap. He knows,

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h

It's not good. RT @LegendKiller613 How bad is the #Texans cap situation?

maybe you should study up on the salary cap so you can be better informed.....just a thought.

I don't think anyone not in the Texans front office or the league office can really know what the cap situation is. Anyone can speculate, don't make them right

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 02:07 PM
There you go rattling off about our cap situation again, just stop. You have no idea how it works or what situation we're in. To suggest our cap is anything like the Cowboys is just grossly incorrect. This is why so many people on this board think Smith is bad, because people like you keep rumbling incorrect statements and treating them as fact. Just stop already.

What's bad, is the Texans will probably do nothing in the offseason to disprove it. I believe the cap is fine, but we're still not a destination for top tier FAs without overpaying & we're not going to overpay anyone to come here.

Unless we get Lovie & he can entice Cutler to come. Then we'll probably make the moves to offer him the contract he'll most likely command.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 02:09 PM
What's bad, is the Texans will probably do nothing in the offseason to disprove it. I believe the cap is fine, but we're still not a destination for top tier FAs without overpaying & we're not going to overpay anyone to come here.

What do you have to substantiate the bold? Supposedly Peyton Manning wanted to come here. Is he not top tier?

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 02:09 PM
Lovie wouldn't be a bad hire provided we got some one better then the dudes he had in Chicago to handle the offense.


Wouldn't it be interesting to get Lovie & Kyle Shanahan & Cutler?

Thorn
12-08-2013, 02:11 PM
Wouldn't it be interesting to get Lovie & Kyle Shanahan & Cutler?

I'm not sold on Cutler, but Lovie and Kyle Shanahan would be nice.

Texian
12-08-2013, 02:14 PM
I don't think anyone not in the Texans front office or the league office can really know what the cap situation is. Anyone can speculate, don't make them right

As of today, right now, the Texans are approx. $8 million under the 2014 51 Top salaries, Salary Cap. Currently they have 46 players under contract for 2014. However the reality of the situation is really have closer to 12-15 contracts they will need to add to the 2014 roster. Every team needs to allocate approx $5 million of their cap for IR, LTBE and Practice Squad. That would leave the Texans with approx. $3 million to sign those 12-15 new contracts. Like in years past the Texans will have to resort again to restructuring (mortgaging) $5-$10 million in player contracts to become compliant with the start of the season 53 man roster salary cap.

Is this subject to change, you bet it is and very likely will BUT at some point the Texans are going to have to take their medicine in order for their salary cap to get any better. In other words they're probably going to have to get worse before they can get better.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 02:19 PM
I'm not sold on Cutler, but Lovie and Kyle Shanahan would be nice.

Cutler is the best FA quarterback out there. Josh Freeman may be worth a look as well, but Lovie & Shanahan have ties to Cutler.

But getting Cutler or Freeman will "answer" the QB question, maybe leave a window open for Case (if we can sign either to a one or 2 year deal) & allow us to invest our first pick in BPA & not "QB because we need a QB"

JB
12-08-2013, 02:23 PM
As of today, right now, the Texans are approx. $8 million under the 2014 51 Top salaries, Salary Cap. Currently they have 46 players under contract for 2014. However the reality of the situation is really have closer to 12-15 contracts they will need to add to the 2014 roster. Every team needs to allocate approx $5 million of their cap for IR, LTBE and Practice Squad. That would leave the Texans with approx. $3 million to sign those 12-15 new contracts. Like in years past the Texans will have to resort again to restructuring (mortgaging) $5-$10 million in player contracts to become compliant with the start of the season 53 man roster salary cap.

Is this subject to change, you bet it is and very likely will BUT at some point the Texans are going to have to take their medicine in order for their salary cap to get any better. In other words they're probably going to have to get worse before they can get better.



As of today don't matter now does it?

amazing80
12-08-2013, 02:27 PM
Here is what AD Brandt had to say, Brandt is a lawyer and has worked in NFL front office negotiating contracts and managing salary cap. He knows,

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 2h

It's not good. RT @LegendKiller613 How bad is the #Texans cap situation?

maybe you should study up on the salary cap so you can be better informed.....just a thought.

Im in the middle of my off-season plan and without going into crazy details yet we have just over 9 million in cap space with guys coming off the books. You cut schaub and OD, brice mccain, jon weeks and cody white, extend Daniel manning and you have over 21 million in cap space. Re-sign antonio smith and grab a RT in free agency, POSSIBLY get a corner and fill in the holes via draft and cheaper free agents. I would also consider getting a lb in free agency.

Bottom line is 21 million is PLENTY of cap space to maneuver around. thats not even including considering to release or extend jjo, and extending aj. The bottom line is, you have tons of options to gain significant cap space without hurting the team.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 02:35 PM
Cutler is the best FA quarterback out there. Josh Freeman may be worth a look as well, but Lovie & Shanahan have ties to Cutler.

But getting Cutler or Freeman will "answer" the QB question, maybe leave a window open for Case (if we can sign either to a one or 2 year deal) & allow us to invest our first pick in BPA & not "QB because we need a QB"

Unless McNair is blowing smoke, saying that he would interview Wade for the HC implies he at least plans on trying to keep him as a DC..........Lovie Smith ran a 4-3.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 02:35 PM
Cutler is the best FA quarterback out there. Josh Freeman may be worth a look as well, but Lovie & Shanahan have ties to Cutler.

But getting Cutler or Freeman will "answer" the QB question, maybe leave a window open for Case (if we can sign either to a one or 2 year deal) & allow us to invest our first pick in BPA & not "QB because we need a QB"

Depends on how you view Cutler and Vick. Cutler isn't as good as pre-injury Schaub. Freeman shouldn't even be in the discussion.

The Texans could legitimately take a shot at upgrading QB in the 1st or 2nd round.

Unless McNair is blowing smoke, saying that he would interview Wade for the HC implies he at least plans on trying to keep him as a DC..........Lovie Smith ran a 4-3.

Can't agree there. Coordinators are often interviewed for HC and then not retained if they don't get the HC job.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 02:37 PM
Unless McNair is blowing smoke, saying that he would interview Wade for the HC implies he at least plans on trying to keep him as a DC..........Lovie Smith ran a 4-3.

I dont see any scenario where we hire a new head coach and keep Wade.....especially because of all the talk of rotating d linemen.....seems to be Wade is just as gone as Gary, but we need him to finish the season for us.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:39 PM
Depends on how you view Cutler and Vick. Cutler isn't as good as pre-injury Schaub. Freeman shouldn't even be in the discussion.

The Texans could legitimately take a shot at upgrading QB in the 1st or 2nd round.



Can't agree there. Coordinators are often interviewed for HC and then not retained if they don't get the HC job.

Cutler has a way better arm then Schaub has ever had. His personality and his arrogance is another story though. When Cutler is at his best, he's a lot better then Schaub, but you've always had a special appreciation for Schaub so I know you'll never agree. Cutler's main issues in Chicago have been his injury problems. When he has been healthy, he has been pretty damn good over there. I think Cutler's best days are behind him though.

NCTexan
12-08-2013, 02:41 PM
Bottom line is 21 million is PLENTY of cap space to maneuver around. thats not even including considering to release or extend jjo, and extending aj. The bottom line is, you have tons of options to gain significant cap space without hurting the team.

No no no. Unless we have at least $40 million in cap space every year then our GM is putting us in cap hell.

:sarcasm:

markn
12-08-2013, 02:44 PM
Wouldn't it be interesting to get Lovie & Kyle Shanahan & Cutler?

Not a Cutler fan personally, but Lovie and Kyle sounds like an excellent combination. Thought Kyle did the best job of calling games in the Kubiak era.

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infantrycak
12-08-2013, 02:53 PM
Cutler has a way better arm then Schaub has ever had. His personality and his arrogance is another story though. When Cutler is at his best, he's a lot better then Schaub, but you've always had a special appreciation for Schaub so I know you'll never agree. Cutler's main issues in Chicago have been his injury problems. When he has been healthy, he has been pretty damn good over there. I think Cutler's best days are behind him though.

I don't care if he can throw it into the Astrodome out of Reliant on his knees. If he can't connect to his receivers and avoid interceptions it doesn't matter. Maybe we can argue about who had the singular best game but these are not spring chickens and Schaub wins hands down. Cutler has never had a season where he broke a 90 rating - none. Cutler's theoretical arm made no real world difference. He has 100 more passing attempts and less 20+ and 40+ yd receptions. Cutler's career INT % is .1 different than Schaub's THIS YEAR. He isn't as good as pre-injury Schaub.

bhsman
12-08-2013, 02:58 PM
Cutler has never had a season where he broke a 90 rating - none.

He's never had a competent offensive line, either.

JB
12-08-2013, 03:00 PM
He's never had a competent offensive line, either.

Schaub did?

bhsman
12-08-2013, 03:05 PM
Schaub did?

Can you imagine Cutler with a 2010-2011-esque Texans line?

JB
12-08-2013, 03:08 PM
Can you imagine Cutler with a 2010-2011-esque Texans line?

yeah, and it wouldn't have been much better than Schaub, if at all. Remember, at that time most considered Schaub to be borderline elite.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 03:15 PM
yeah, and it wouldn't have been much better than Schaub, if at all. Remember, at that time most considered Schaub to be borderline elite.

a 2:1 td:int ratio is not elite, only homer texan fans like Dale and thunder considered Schaub ELITE.....borderline top 10 is the best hes ever been

JB
12-08-2013, 03:19 PM
a 2:1 td:int ratio is not elite, only homer texan fans like Dale and thunder considered Schaub ELITE.....borderline top 10 is the best hes ever been

well, I'm old and most likely senile, but I seem to recall the talking heads at nflnetwork and espn putting him in the mix of top 5 and no worse than 7th. The elite tag was tossed around and not just on this board

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 03:20 PM
He's never had a competent offensive line, either.

So to turn to the original topic - you want a coach who never built a competent OL?

bhsman
12-08-2013, 03:22 PM
So to turn to the original topic - you want a coach who never built a competent OL?

I want Ray Horton, but we're talking about Lovie Smith here, not Jerry effin' Angelo.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 03:24 PM
well, I'm old and most likely senile, but I seem to recall the talking heads at nflnetwork and espn putting him in the mix of top 5 and no worse than 7th. The elite tag was tossed around and not just on this board

He was definitely in the top 10 discussions.

Gruden just called him a one time almost elite QB this week. Your memory is fine.

amazing80
12-08-2013, 03:25 PM
He was definitely in the top 10 discussions.

Gruden just called him a one time almost elite QB this week. Your memory is fine.

ALMOST isn't quite elite though is it? :kitten:

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 03:26 PM
ALMOST isn't quite elite though is it? :kitten:

Neither is borderline. You really going to try to argue there is a difference?

amazing80
12-08-2013, 03:31 PM
Neither is borderline. You really going to try to argue there is a difference?

Im gonna say like I did earlier, he was near 10th best, thats not elite.....

chicagotexan2
12-08-2013, 03:35 PM
Why all the love for Sumlin? The guy is the college level Gruden, taking over a built up roster from Briles and then just putting it on cruise control. Everything he learned he learned from Briles, I'd rather just go for the tree than a fruit off of it.

I like sumlin but I definately like the idea of briles.

As far as lovie goes he's not terrible by any means but he doesn't excite me at all.

Lord Bills
12-08-2013, 03:44 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.

JB
12-08-2013, 03:59 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.


Post it in one more thread so people can see what you think

Lord Bills
12-08-2013, 04:11 PM
Post it in one more thread so people can see what you think

worry about yourself and stop stalking me loser.

Ill be asking those questions for every head coaching candidate.

Deal with it.

Pantherstang84
12-08-2013, 04:13 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.

So just let us know know when you and the McNair's are going on the road to interview the candidates.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 04:16 PM
worry about yourself and stop stalking me loser.

Ill be asking those questions for every head coaching candidate.

Deal with it.

It will be dealt with. Stop spamming the same posts around the MB into multiple threads. And stop name-calling.

Tolar's Ghost
12-08-2013, 04:16 PM
...Wouldn't it be interesting to get Lovie & Kyle Shanahan & Cutler?...

Cutler has improved markedly under Trestman (the Bears' new coach). He was basically the Same Old Jay - love him one minute, hate him the next - under Smith.

And what has Shanahan Jr. done in Washington that makes him such a hot commodity? The 'Skins have sure looked good this year.

Pass on all three.

JB
12-08-2013, 04:17 PM
worry about yourself and stop stalking me loser.

Ill be asking those questions for every head coaching candidate.

Deal with it.

Wow, sensitive much?


Edit: Oh and you neg rep me for that? HAHAHAHA! You show your class or lack thereof buddy. Neg rep me all day long if you want. I'll still call you or anyone else out for spamming

deucetx
12-08-2013, 04:19 PM
Cowher got to the Super Bowl in his fourth season and he did it with Neil O'Donnell.

He just took ten more years after that to get back and win one.

Correct as Cak pointed out already earlier. Forgot about that one since I probably try to forget everything Cowboys. Point mainly being many seem to think Cowher is some messiah option in coaching but I remember Steelers fans wanting he should be replaced during that stretch. I heard some of the same complaints. 'He's old fashioned.' 'He isn't innovative.' 'He needs to get with the times.'Ten years and I wonder how our same fans that keep bellowing his name would have felt during that time. Just find it strange that fans continually are after the guy as if he was Bill Belichek reborn or something.

But they hear Lovie's name and immediately turn down the idea though he had success. Instead they rather go with someone who hasn't coached in a handful of years or a college guy like Sumlin who seems to be foreign to defense, etc. To each their own I guess.

ThaShark316
12-08-2013, 04:23 PM
What does his race have to do with anything? And considering the fact that all you ever did was spew failed arguments for Kubiak, well this post is comical to say the least.

I'll go on ahead and admit that I was wrong on Kubes.

Exactly WHY I don't want to see all that garbage again. And my black ass knows conservative black coaches ain't what I want to see on my squad. Why I want a Sumlin or Shaw; they got balls.

DBCooper
12-08-2013, 04:23 PM
two questions i will be asking every potential head coach:

1. Can you run a no huddle offense anytime? Not just last two minutes with little to no timeouts. Can you run it in the beginning and middle of games?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

2. What kind of audible system do you have? Do you have a free and QB friendly audible system?

That is a sign of a advanced, cerebral, intelligent coach.

These two things are a must for me.

Your Lordship.

WolverineFan
12-08-2013, 04:32 PM
I like Lovie, but I don't like the fit defensively. Safety is a huge weakness on our team. How comfortable are you playing Cover 2 with Manning/Pleasant and Swearinger/Keo back deep? Not to mention you're paying JJo and KJax how much money to play Cover 2?

Same mistake the Cowboys made this year. They had 2 good man CB's they were paying a lot of money to and had horrible Safeties. So of course Jerry hires Kiffin and goes to a Cover 2. That's why they have the worst pass defense in the league this year.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 04:36 PM
I like sumlin but I definately like the idea of briles.

As far as lovie goes he's not terrible by any means but he doesn't excite me at all.

I'm all in for Briles if he would agree to leave Baylor.......innovative and known for developing QBs.

DBCooper
12-08-2013, 04:37 PM
Same mistake the Cowboys made this year. They had 2 good man CB's they were paying a lot of money to and had horrible Safeties. So of course Jerry hires Kiffin and goes to a Cover 2. That's why they have the worst pass defense in the league this year.

And because Jerry has his fingers in everything.

(That's a nasty visual, isn't it?)

Corrosion
12-08-2013, 04:42 PM
Another name to keep an eye on: Rapoport was told that Kevin Sumlin will receive attention from Houston brass. The Texas A&M coach recently agreed to a six-year deal with the Aggies, but he hasn't officially signed it.
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That's kinda interesting. Sounds like no more Mr Nice guy from McNair.

Ian Rapoport .... You shoulda stopped right there. Dude has no credibility , just a rumor machine.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 04:57 PM
Unless McNair is blowing smoke, saying that he would interview Wade for the HC implies he at least plans on trying to keep him as a DC..........Lovie Smith ran a 4-3.

We gave up 27+ to the Jags, twice. The Jags avg 14 ppg. If McNair forced Wade on Kubiak, I hope he's man enough to eat crow when it's warranted.


edit: after whippin our a55 the Jags now avg 15.5 ppg
Depends on how you view Cutler and Vick. Cutler isn't as good as pre-injury Schaub. Freeman shouldn't even be in the discussion.


I'll agree that Cutler isn't as good as Schaubiak.... as far as Freeman is concerned, you're probably right, but the FA market is slim. & if McNair really hasn't seen enough of Case yet, he'll probably want to bring someone in to compete with Case for the starting job.. .who knows?


The Texans could legitimately take a shot at upgrading QB in the 1st or 2nd round.


Maybe. I'm not sold on this crop of QBs yet (not that I'm anybody). None of them look as good as Carr did coming out of Fresno State in 2002. Not to me. I feel sorry for any QB needy team with a top 5 pick.

A second rounder would make sense. But if I were in win now mode (which I think we should be) new coach, new offense, rookie QB just doesn't say "win now" to me.

Might be a moot point. Cutler may not even hit the market & Freeman (as you said) probably shouldn't be in the conversation.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 04:59 PM
So to turn to the original topic - you want a coach who never built a competent OL?

Nope

This should be a build the trenches draft.

So finally after more than a decade the foundation for long term success will be built properly.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 05:00 PM
I dont see any scenario where we hire a new head coach and keep Wade.....especially because of all the talk of rotating d linemen.....seems to be Wade is just as gone as Gary, but we need him to finish the season for us.

We're 2-10.... how badly do can we really need him?

Exascor
12-08-2013, 05:02 PM
We're 2-10.... how badly do can we really need him?

We're 2-11. No need to short change us. =P

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 05:03 PM
And considering the fact that all you ever did was spew failed arguments for Kubiak, well this post is comical to say the least.

......speaking of which, how come you never replied to the post I made a few days ago?

DBCooper
12-08-2013, 05:04 PM
We're 2-11. No need to short change us. =P

I'd like to forget a few games this season........

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 05:06 PM
a 2:1 td:int ratio is not elite, only homer texan fans like Dale and thunder considered Schaub ELITE.....borderline top 10 is the best hes ever been

He was an elite regular season QB. He didn't have the play-off success needed to be considered elite. I've never said any different.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 05:06 PM
I'll go on ahead and admit that I was wrong on Kubes.

Exactly WHY I don't want to see all that garbage again. And my black ass knows conservative black coaches ain't what I want to see on my squad. Why I want a Sumlin or Shaw; they got balls.

Rex Ryan if fired
Shaw
Billick
Holmgren

Are at the top of my list. Lovie would be a last resort. After wathching Sumlin manage the clock in a very Kubiakesque way I would probably have to find a new team to root for. I'm done with Aggie HC's for a long while.

drs23
12-08-2013, 05:09 PM
...who complain about Smith are unrealistic about expectations (wanting every draft pick to be a stud and wanting every free agent brought in to be the greatest thing since sliced bread) when the reality is, he is just like all the other top GMs in the league. Makes great picks and makes horrible picks, signs guys to great team friendly contracts but will occasionally over pay a few. Its part of the job. But people like you just complain for the sake of it and its stating to get real irritating. So if you want to be "wishy washy" and run your mouth drive a few hours north and root for Jerrys team, otherwise shut up, sit back and enjoy the fact you got rid of your coach and are on the verge of bringing in a legit head coach.

snipped the cat fight but the remaining text is spot on. Even the best of the best GMs are hit and miss.

To the bolded, that can go two very different directions. My rose colored glasses are now permanently shelved. I HOPE the brain-trusts get this right and sets us up for many years of contention. History points to hoping against hope. Therefore I'll just watch the future unfold and hope what we all want. Please get it done.

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 05:11 PM
No to Rex Ryan. That guy is a classless blowhard who has terrible offenses. You'd need the best offensive coordinator in the world to mask those deficiencies.

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 05:11 PM
I'll go on ahead and admit that I was wrong on Kubes.

Exactly WHY I don't want to see all that garbage again. And my black ass knows conservative black coaches ain't what I want to see on my squad. Why I want a Sumlin or Shaw; they got balls.

Lovie Smith drafted & started Rex Grossman.


Thems some pretty big balls.

ThaShark316
12-08-2013, 05:15 PM
Lovie Smith drafted & started Rex Grossman.


Thems some pretty big balls.

Tou-****in-che! +rep

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 05:16 PM
Maybe. I'm not sold on this crop of QBs yet (not that I'm anybody). None of them look as good as Carr did coming out of Fresno State in 2002. Not to me.

Derek Carr looks better than David IMO. Better placement and touch on the long ball. Already knows not to run out of bounds behind the LOS.

Rex Ryan if fired
Shaw
Billick
Holmgren

Rex Ryan - yuck in spades.
Billick - please explain? Other than a ring which wasn't won on his strength what does he bring to the table?

DBCooper
12-08-2013, 05:31 PM
Derek Carr looks better than David IMO. Better placement and touch on the long ball. Already knows not to run out of bounds behind the LOS.





The Hulk?

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 05:32 PM
Derek Carr looks better than David IMO. Better placement and touch on the long ball. Already knows not to run out of bounds behind the LOS.


I would hate to have to be dealing with his father again.:mcnugget:

Rey
12-08-2013, 05:38 PM
I like what I've seen from Derek Carr.

He has the best arm I've seen from this crop of qb's.

Only thing is, I wish Fresno didn't run so many damn bubble screens...geez...

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 05:38 PM
The Hulk?

That's the other brother. I think he plays on the line but can't remember which.

I would hate to have to be dealing with his father again.:mcnugget:

I said in the draft forum it would be one hell of an interview to sit in on. He'd almost have to go down a check list of how not to be like my brother in order to be considered - no dad at practice, no doing all your film review at home, no being apart from the team particularly your receivers and OL, no 8 hour days, etc.

That family has some health issues with kids. Derek's kid that was just born has had several surgeries.

CloakNNNdagger
12-08-2013, 05:42 PM
That's the other brother. I think he plays on the line but can't remember which.



I said in the draft forum it would be one hell of an interview to sit in on. He'd almost have to go down a check list of how not to be like my brother in order to be considered - no dad at practice, no doing all your film review at home, no being apart from the team particularly your receivers and OL, no 8 hour days, etc.

That family has some health issues with kids. Derek's kid that was just born has had several surgeries.

Don't get in to the Draft section much. But those would have to be my exact terms also.

Rey
12-08-2013, 05:44 PM
I would hate to have to be dealing with his father again.:mcnugget:

McKinney joked yesterday that he felt like David's dad was in the huddle with them at practice half the time.

Btw, everyone keeps saying absolutely no to derek. Steve McKinney said it too. I don't get that sentiment.

drs23
12-08-2013, 05:57 PM
He's never had a competent offensive line, either.

Schaub did?

I'd venture to say he did for one season. 2011. Of course that was tainted by Mr. Guaranteed Penalties. At least 3-4 drive killing gaffs per game. False starts, holding and then of coarse the 'ole blocks that sent the QB to the turf. Still, it was better than what's been fielded since. This MUST be addressed by the new powers to be.

drs23
12-08-2013, 06:15 PM
worry about yourself and stop stalking me loser.

Ill be asking those questions for every head coaching candidate.

Deal with it.

How much is McNair ponying up for your screening services? Any more openings? What can I do to get on? Do you have enough clout to get me on?

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 06:20 PM
Derek Carr looks better than David IMO. Better placement and touch on the long ball. Already knows not to run out of bounds behind the LOS.



Rex Ryan - yuck in spades.
Billick - please explain? Other than a ring which wasn't won on his strength what does he bring to the table?

I want a HC that brings an air of confidence to this team. Like Jimmy did with the Cowgirls.

Rex and Billick are both cocky HC's

Billick was the architech of the great Viking offenses. When he got to Baltimore he realized what he had and didn't have. An all time great defense and an avg at best offense with Tony Banks at the helm. Dilfer replaces him in midseason and the rest is SB history.

I like a HC (Billick) that recoginzes the strengths of his team and plays to them and minimizes the teams weaknesses. A HC who can make great in game adjustments. A cocky SOB type HC would be a change that is needed in the Texans org.

BTW, when Billick got Grbac, he changed the offense and the Ravens became more of a passing team. Although he never won a SB he made the playoffs several times.

chicagotexan2
12-08-2013, 06:21 PM
No to Rex Ryan. That guy is a classless blowhard who has terrible offenses. You'd need the best offensive coordinator in the world to mask those deficiencies.

No for me as well. Ryan is a great defensive coach not a good head coach.

leebigeztx
12-08-2013, 06:31 PM
I will be pretty upset if shanny comes to Houston. I think the game has passed his style of offense up (I.e. Kubiak's style as well).

No it hasn't. Last yr, they scored like 28ppg plus the run game to hide the pourous defense. This yr,the young qb has struggled,the defense has been exposed and now the game has passed him by? I thought it was smoke and mirrors last yr, but somehow they made the playoffs. The game hasn't passed him by just like it hasn't passed kubes by. They were both done in by qb play. You think mike mccarthy has lost his way in coaching? They've won 1 game vs a bad atlanta team. Has the game pass mike smith by too?

drs23
12-08-2013, 06:44 PM
Nope

This should be a build the trenches draft.

So finally after more than a decade the foundation for long term success will be built properly.

+1

It's a proven blueprint over the years but it's just not sexy enough in this instant gratification league/society that prevails today. Granted, it may take a little longer but ya give a little to get a lot. Get the big nasties up front on both sides and you have a foundation to build on for long term sustainable success. It will never happen but if lordbills can get me on (:kitten:) I'll pound the table to make it happen.

leebigeztx
12-08-2013, 06:46 PM
Rex Ryan if fired
Shaw
Billick
Holmgren

Are at the top of my list. Lovie would be a last resort. After wathching Sumlin manage the clock in a very Kubiakesque way I would probably have to find a new team to root for. I'm done with Aggie HC's for a long while.

Good list. Holmgren is my dude,but as you stated,he's 65. I like rex more than most. Say what you will, nobody can erase 2 afc title games and his team is in the playoff hunt. I think with a dude like rex,you have to strongly recomend offensive coaches for him to the point of hiring them for him. Even this year and the mostly bad geno,they're gonna finish around .500 cuz rex is coaching his ass off.

Steal Your Face
12-08-2013, 06:57 PM
Not a Cutler fan personally, but Lovie and Kyle sounds like an excellent combination. Thought Kyle did the best job of calling games in the Kubiak era.

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Someone brought that up on 610 a while ago. Travis Johnson jumped in and called it "nonsense". He said the only person that ever called games in the Kubiak era was Kubiak himself. K. Shanahan was no more than a puppet OC.

Hervoyel
12-08-2013, 07:02 PM
Rex Ryan - yuck in spades.
Billick - please explain? Other than a ring which wasn't won on his strength what does he bring to the table?

Agree

Rex Ryan, if fired is going to go somewhere and build a seriously bad-ass defense.

Unfortunately what that will mean to the team that hires him is that in a year, maybe two someone will come along and want him to be a HC again just like Buddy Ryan when he left the Oiler's to go coach the Cardinals.

We shouldn't get involved in that process. Buddy Ryan left Jeff Fisher to run his defense when he went to Arizona. There's no guarantee that Rex Ryan will leave whatever team he bails out of in anywhere near that good a shape.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-08-2013, 07:11 PM
BTW, when Billick got Grbac, he changed the offense and the Ravens became more of a passing team. Although he never won a SB he made the playoffs several times.




The Ravens would have repeated as champs had Jamal Lewis not tore his ACL in preseason, JMO.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 07:16 PM
Agree

Rex Ryan, if fired is going to go somewhere and build a seriously bad-ass defense.

Unfortunately what that will mean to the team that hires him is that in a year, maybe two someone will come along and want him to be a HC again just like Buddy Ryan when he left the Oiler's to go coach the Cardinals.

We shouldn't get involved in that process. Buddy Ryan left Jeff Fisher to run his defense when he went to Arizona. There's no guarantee that Rex Ryan will leave whatever team he bails out of in anywhere near that good a shape.

The Jets aren't bad,

They probably will finish .500 with a Rookie QB. Their defense is pretty much set. The holes are on the OL/WR/QB for that team.

Surreal McCoy
12-08-2013, 07:50 PM
I think Rick Smith is a Mole, a snitch with a direct line to Ian Rapport, Mike Silver and Peter King. Explains Rapport's insider story a month a go and how Peter King was the first to know Kubiak was fired. Also explains why NFLN is always effusive in their praise of Rick Smith, always saying what a great GM Smith has been and how he has assembled the best talent in the league. The reporters are using Smith and Smith used the reporters to throw coaches under the bus and to save his job. Pay attention, these reporters have a direct line inside Kirby Lane.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of writing this exact post ;)

Surreal McCoy
12-08-2013, 08:48 PM
Nope

This should be a build the trenches draft.

So finally after more than a decade the foundation for long term success will be built properly.

Is this real life? Kubiak gets the sack and I find myself agreeing with several of SteelB's posts? Hmmm...:thinking:

drs23
12-08-2013, 10:48 PM
Is this real life? Kubiak gets the sack and I find myself agreeing with several of SteelB's posts? Hmmm...:thinking:

Scary, ain't it? :D

MEGA SWATT
12-08-2013, 11:01 PM
Not feeling this candidate nor Mike Shanahellno

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:10 PM
I want a HC that brings an air of confidence to this team. Like Jimmy did with the Cowgirls.

Rex and Billick are both cocky HC's

Billick was the architech of the great Viking offenses. When he got to Baltimore he realized what he had and didn't have. An all time great defense and an avg at best offense with Tony Banks at the helm. Dilfer replaces him in midseason and the rest is SB history.

I like a HC (Billick) that recoginzes the strengths of his team and plays to them and minimizes the teams weaknesses. A HC who can make great in game adjustments. A cocky SOB type HC would be a change that is needed in the Texans org.

BTW, when Billick got Grbac, he changed the offense and the Ravens became more of a passing team. Although he never won a SB he made the playoffs several times.

Billick showed after while that he had a lot of deficiencies as a HC. Big reason why he never was hired again. Grbac was awful, and was very Schaub like in the playoff season after the Ravens won the SB. The team wanted Grbac out of there pretty bad from what I remember.


I'd like a similar coach like you're describing, but Lovie Smith did pretty damn well in Chicago with no QB until Cutler got there later. People act like he doesn't know offense or whatever, but that's the same thing with almost all of the coaching candidates. They're all from one side of the ball. In the NFL you can consistently win if you have a great defense and I think Lovie could easily achieve that with what we already have in one off season or two at most. We just need to get our QB and another receiver for the future and we could be set pretty quickly. Outside of Cowher, I think that Lovie is the best candidate as far as an ex HC with a lot of experience.

Dutchrudder
12-09-2013, 12:35 PM
I think Lovie will be the guy. Rick Smith is a defensive minded coach, and I think he will lean towards a defensive HC. Of the guys connected to the Texans so far, Lovie is the best defensive candidate, so I'm guessing he will get the job. The Bears defense, especially the secondary was pretty awesome under Lovie, and Rick is a DB guy, so it could be a match.

DBCooper
12-09-2013, 01:00 PM
I think Lovie will be the guy. Rick Smith is a defensive minded coach, and I think he will lean towards a defensive HC. Of the guys connected to the Texans so far, Lovie is the best defensive candidate, so I'm guessing he will get the job. The Bears defense, especially the secondary was pretty awesome under Lovie, and Rick is a DB guy, so it could be a match.

The more I meditate on it, the more I am starting to like the Lovie Smith idea.

Vinny
12-09-2013, 01:02 PM
I think Lovie will be the guy. Rick Smith is a defensive minded coach, and I think he will lean towards a defensive HC. Of the guys connected to the Texans so far, Lovie is the best defensive candidate, so I'm guessing he will get the job. The Bears defense, especially the secondary was pretty awesome under Lovie, and Rick is a DB guy, so it could be a match.
Lovie had 5 OC's in Chicago...think about that for a min. A total failure on the other side of the ball. No stability in system on the offensive side with that many OC's. I like him as a defensive coordinator more than a HC....just my .02

BullNation4Life
12-09-2013, 01:04 PM
I think Lovie will be the guy. Rick Smith is a defensive minded coach, and I think he will lean towards a defensive HC. Of the guys connected to the Texans so far, Lovie is the best defensive candidate, so I'm guessing he will get the job. The Bears defense, especially the secondary was pretty awesome under Lovie, and Rick is a DB guy, so it could be a match.

If that be the case then Lovie needs to learn from his mistakes in Chicago and go get a hell of an OC. The biggest problem in Chicago was on the offensive side of the ball.

He needs to reach out to an OC that is going to be creative and build an offense around the QB, weather that is Keenum or X, and not force feed a QB to run an offense he is not capable of running. Much easier, IMO, to build a playbook around a QB than to search for a QB that perfectly fits your system.

If he does this, I am all in...

Vinny
12-09-2013, 01:05 PM
ok, it was 4 going on 5...

Emery further expounded this week on why he fired Smith, who won 10 games -- but missed the playoffs -- with the Bears in 2012.

"We were in a position where if he stayed, he would be picking his fifth offensive coordinator," Emery said, via TheMMQB.com. "Part of it was because I really believe looking at a team that if you're going to have success, the most important relationship is between the head coach and the quarterback."

That meant either Cutler or Smith had to go and Emery wasn't about to get rid of Cutler. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22974492/bears-gm-phil-emery-elaborates-on-why-lovie-smith-was-fired

Blake
12-09-2013, 01:12 PM
I'm all in for Briles if he would agree to leave Baylor.......innovative and known for developing QBs.

Thats who I wanted too (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2248129&postcount=299). But unfortunately he is busy until 2023. (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jeremy-fowler/24228481/baylor-extends-art-briles-contract-to-2023)

Bulls on Parade
12-09-2013, 01:13 PM
Lovie had 5 OC's in Chicago...think about that for a min. A total failure on the other side of the ball. No stability in system on the offensive side with that many OC's. I like him as a defensive coordinator more than a HC....just my .02
I'm on board with Lovie Smith as head coach if he can somehow bring in Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator. Not sure what his future holds in Washington but I assume he'll leave if his daddy is fired there. Our offense hasn't been the same since Kyle Shanahan left after 2009. We wouldn't have to change much from our current schemes. The zone blocking will still be highly effective and a healthy Arian Foster should mean the Texans are back as one of the best offenses in the league next season, regardless if we draft a young quarterback or not.

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 01:43 PM
Lovie had 5 OC's in Chicago...think about that for a min. A total failure on the other side of the ball. No stability in system on the offensive side with that many OC's. I like him as a defensive coordinator more than a HC....just my .02

Shoot, I didn't realize that. But that sort of makes him seem even better to me Vinny. They were winning over there for the most part other then when Urlacher would go down. If Urlacher was healthy that team was completely different and they always seemed like a team that would over achieve to me. That's what I like to see in a HC. I don't like that quiet nice soft nice guy feel that Lovie has which is similar to Kubiak, but unlike Kubiak Lovie produced results that were on the winning side of close games whereas Kubiak would always somehow lose those games. I don't know if Lovie learned from some of those mistakes on that side of the ball, but I don't think there are much better candidates personally. I also think that Lovie is the kind of guy Mcnair wants. He has what many on this forum would call "class." Lol!

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 01:46 PM
I'm on board with Lovie Smith as head coach if he can somehow bring in Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator. Not sure what his future holds in Washington but I assume he'll leave if his daddy is fired there. Our offense hasn't been the same since Kyle Shanahan left after 2009. We wouldn't have to change much from our current schemes. The zone blocking will still be highly effective and a healthy Arian Foster should mean the Texans are back as one of the best offenses in the league next season, regardless if we draft a young quarterback or not.

YOu want a guy that comes from the same system beliefs as two HC's that are going to be fired after this season? I'm not sure that I follow that logic personally. I think the Texans should be completely done and away with all of the Denver connections.

2slik4u
12-09-2013, 01:48 PM
YOu want a guy that comes from the same system beliefs as two HC's that are going to be fired after this season? I'm not sure that I follow that logic personally. I think the Texans should be completely done and away with all of the Denver connections.

My sentiments exactly. I'm done with Denver and the ZBS in regards to running it 100% of the time. From what I understand many teams run it from time to time in certain formations, plays, etc.

Id be fine with that.

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 01:50 PM
My sentiments exactly. I'm done with Denver and the ZBS in regards to running it 100% of the time. From what I understand many teams run it from time to time in certain formations, plays, etc.

Id be fine with that.

Yeah, I think this league is about adapting to who you're playing and using different looks on offense and defense. Hell, just look at the Patriots offense and how they are constantly adjusting do to the players they have that are injured and who comes back to the team from season to season. They've had 3 different OC's under Brady. Man, if we went with that Shanahan crap again, that would be bloody awful to watch and very difficult to believe it. It would also potentially set up Lovie Smith (Assuming he was the HC) to go down that same path of replacing OC's like he did in Chicago.

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 02:05 PM
Shoot, I didn't realize that. But that sort of makes him seem even better to me Vinny. They were winning over there for the most part other then when Urlacher would go down. If Urlacher was healthy that team was completely different and they always seemed like a team that would over achieve to me. That's what I like to see in a HC.

How does that point to great coaching rather than a great player? - one who pre-dated Smith.

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 02:12 PM
How does that point to great coaching rather than a great player? - one who pre-dated Smith.

Urlacher was such an anchor to that defense. Probably the closest I've ever seen to a guy being like a QB on a defense other then Ray Lewis. When you lose a guy that was an anchor like that to your team and you don't have a good QB on the other side that can anchor a great offense to overcome the defensive injuries well it can really make things difficult. The best two examples to me are Brady and Rodgers. Rodgers lost quite a few guys to injury this season, but he still pulls off a lot of wins before he got hurt. He can simply move the chains and keep his team in the game. Brady is just amazing when it comes to losing all of his skill players and still being able to keep his team in the game. Best I've ever seen. But on defense, it's just a lot harder in my opinion unless that entire D is stacked all over the place. Just look at the Steelers every time Polumolu would go down. That D wasn't nearly as good. I think we could say that about all coaches Cak. Lovie did finally effectively address the QB situation with Cutler though and that team really clicked when Cutler was healthy as well. He also went and got Marshall, so it's not like he didn't eventually fill some gaps and holes on that team. But I think we could both agree that a HC's success will always be tied to the health of their best players the majority of the time. Best explanation I could give to your question.

WolverineFan
12-09-2013, 02:23 PM
I'm on board with Lovie Smith as head coach if he can somehow bring in Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator.

Why do people keep saying this? He would have been fired already as OC if his daddy wasn't the HC.

Kyle Shanahan called the plays as much as Rick Dennison did.

Dutchrudder
12-09-2013, 02:52 PM
I don't want anything to do with the Shanahans, we need a full overhaul of this team's coaching staff. Lovie Smith would be a great pick for a DC, but I don't know if he will take a DC job. He could probably hold out for a HC gig. If he did get the HC job, I don't know who he would want to bring in as an OC, but Cam Cameron and Mike Martz, could be an options.

Exascor
12-09-2013, 02:57 PM
Why do people keep saying this? He would have been fired already as OC if his daddy wasn't the HC.

Kyle Shanahan called the plays as much as Rick Dennison did.Actually, he did. He started in the last game of 2008 and called all of 2009. Could Kubiak change them? Sure but that doesn't mean he wasn't an effective play caller. I don't want anything to do with the old Denver offense any more so he can find another city to work in IMO.

He called his first NFL game, and he did a hell of a job,” Kubiak said. “I thought it was time. I walked in the office Friday, and I told him he was calling the game.link (http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Kubiak-reveals-Shanahan-called-Texans-plays-vs-1612838.php)

Kubiak has once more convinced himself the Texans will be better off if he turns the play-calling over to offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan.

As for calling the plays, Kubiak's blueprint is that he and Shanahan will have the final say on what plays are in the game plan, but then on Sunday when the stadium is full and the testosterone free-flowing, Kubiak is going to allow Shanahan to have all the fun.

His thinking is that Shanahan spends all his time with the offense, that he has more time to scout opposing defenses and has a closer relationship with Matt Schaub.

In fairness, Kubiak will have the final say on the play list and on every play-call. But Shanahan has earned his trust.

“We've worked together, we've been over this together,” Kubiak said. “I may have some different ideas in certain situations, but it's a comfort zone for me as we prepare for games to know that he's ready to go do it. If I've got to help, I help.”link (http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Justice-Kubiak-ends-Texans-play-calling-tug-of-1743112.php)
Shanahan has done a very good job in his debut season as play-caller (only one game calling plays last year doesn’t count) and he’s shown me a tremendous grasp of the offense. Considering the fact that this offense is predicated off of running the ball and then being able to utilize play-action, it is pretty incredible that the passing game has been as successful as it has been despite the complete inability of the offense to run the ball with any consistency. link (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/12/losing-kyle-shanahan-will-stink-for-the-texans/)

ChampionTexan
12-09-2013, 03:13 PM
Lovie Smith drafted & started Rex Grossman.


Thems some pretty big balls.

Rex Grossman was in the 2003 draft. Lovie's first season as Bears HC was 2004.

Oddly, that Superbowl season (2006 season, 2007 Super Bowl) was the only time in his career that Rex has started more than 7 games. He started all 16 in that year, 7 in the following season, and beyond that, he's never started more than 3 games in as season.

powda
12-09-2013, 04:24 PM
Random Fan entry from profootballtalk.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/08/texans-firing-of-kubiak-could-spark-a-feeding-frenzy/

deweyaxewound says:
Dec 9, 2013 3:57 PM

The good:

I recognize all that Lovie brought to the Bears – the great play of the defense, he was liked and respected by the players, who always played hard for him. You knew you would always have a disciplined, mature team with Lovie – no room for knuckleheads, no brats, show-boaters or self-promoters. He emphasized CHARACTER and the team-first approach.

But…here’s what drove me CRAZY about Lovie: stubborn as a mule. Sticking with Ron Turner, “Rex is our QB”, Mike Martz and the 7 step drops getting Cutler killed, “We think we’ve got a decent o-line”. Using Cedric Benson in the Super Bowl instead of Thomas Jones. His refusal to see the limits of Hester as a converted WR. He NEVER, and I mean NEVER made meaningful in-game adjustments, at the half or otherwise. If a team started exploiting the Bears in some way (the Pack used to kill us with the slant…you saw what the Seahawks did last year with the option, etc.) – Lovie stubbornly REFUSED to make any adjustments to counter the other team. Also horrible in managing a game clock, especially in the final minutes.

And some of the personnel blunders…draft blunders…using the wrong players in the wrong positions….failure to develop the talent of certain players…some of that is Lovie, but a lot of it was GM Angelo, too.

With all the talent his Bears teams have had over his tenure, I feel like they could have/should have accomplished more. I think Lovie failed to get the MOST out of his teams and the talent they had. Part of that failure was lack of depth, or lack of a “Plan B” when Plan A didn’t work. Lovie always just doggedly, stubbornly, predictably stuck to whatever the original plan was. You could even see it with Martz – calling for 7 step drops from Cutler –REPEATEDLY – with no o-line, mediocre receivers, and while the running game/Forte was hot (even with the limited touches he had). It was just shameful to watch.

Vance87
12-09-2013, 04:29 PM
^^^

This is exactly why I don't want him. He's cut from the same cloth as Kubiak. A good coach maybe but not good enough to adapt to a situation and overcome. This is why I knew we'd beat the Bears on SNF, they would do nothing to change their normal strategy and we'd meet them head on and win because we had a superior roster.

drs23
12-09-2013, 05:57 PM
Random Fan entry from profootballtalk.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/08/texans-firing-of-kubiak-could-spark-a-feeding-frenzy/

deweyaxewound says:
Dec 9, 2013 3:57 PM

The good:

I recognize all that Lovie brought to the Bears – the great play of the defense, he was liked and respected by the players, who always played hard for him. You knew you would always have a disciplined, mature team with Lovie – no room for knuckleheads, no brats, show-boaters or self-promoters. He emphasized CHARACTER and the team-first approach.

But…here’s what drove me CRAZY about Lovie: stubborn as a mule. Sticking with Ron Turner, “Rex is our QB”, Mike Martz and the 7 step drops getting Cutler killed, “We think we’ve got a decent o-line”. Using Cedric Benson in the Super Bowl instead of Thomas Jones. His refusal to see the limits of Hester as a converted WR. He NEVER, and I mean NEVER made meaningful in-game adjustments, at the half or otherwise. If a team started exploiting the Bears in some way (the Pack used to kill us with the slant…you saw what the Seahawks did last year with the option, etc.) – Lovie stubbornly REFUSED to make any adjustments to counter the other team. Also horrible in managing a game clock, especially in the final minutes.

And some of the personnel blunders…draft blunders…using the wrong players in the wrong positions….failure to develop the talent of certain players…some of that is Lovie, but a lot of it was GM Angelo, too.

With all the talent his Bears teams have had over his tenure, I feel like they could have/should have accomplished more. I think Lovie failed to get the MOST out of his teams and the talent they had. Part of that failure was lack of depth, or lack of a “Plan B” when Plan A didn’t work. Lovie always just doggedly, stubbornly, predictably stuck to whatever the original plan was. You could even see it with Martz – calling for 7 step drops from Cutler –REPEATEDLY – with no o-line, mediocre receivers, and while the running game/Forte was hot (even with the limited touches he had). It was just shameful to watch.


Case closed. End of story. Like I've posted before: Gary Kubiak V2.0

Want nothing to do with him.

NEXT (which needs to be David Shaw) I sure wish we could make Houston as pretty as Palo Alto.

EDIT: Perhaps DC?

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 06:16 PM
^^^

This is exactly why I don't want him. He's cut from the same cloth as Kubiak. A good coach maybe but not good enough to adapt to a situation and overcome. This is why I knew we'd beat the Bears on SNF, they would do nothing to change their normal strategy and we'd meet them head on and win because we had a superior roster.

Reading that does scare me a little, but I totally disagree that he didn't get the most out of his teams. I think he got the best out of his teams. He might have been stubborn about his offensive players perhaps, but they never had hardly any strong offensive talent either. Who was drafting the players and getting the free agents over there? I'm not sure about that one to say if that was on Lovie or the GM. I really don't know the answer to that. If Lovie Smith could get a great QB though and some talent at WR, I think that a lot of these issues wouldn't be nearly as problematic. Personally I think that defensive coaches end up having more success in the NFL then a lot of the OC's that become HC's.

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 06:20 PM
Reading that does scare me a little, but I totally disagree that he didn't get the most out of his teams. I think he got the best out of his teams. He might have been stubborn about his offensive players perhaps, but they never had hardly any strong offensive talent either. Who was drafting the players and getting the free agents over there? I'm not sure about that one to say if that was on Lovie or the GM. I really don't know the answer to that. If Lovie Smith could get a great QB though and some talent at WR, I think that a lot of these issues wouldn't be nearly as problematic. Personally I think that defensive coaches end up having more success in the NFL then a lot of the OC's that become HC's.

Something they said regarding Wade coming in with JJ Watt in those first practices sticks with me. Kubiak hadn't been allowing the defense to knock balls down during practice because it interrupted the work the offense was doing on the passing game. And Wade basically said, "Dude? The Defense needs to work on defending the pass and that includes knocking balls down so deal with it." And Kubiak said, "Oh. Yeah. Guess so."

The reason I bring that up is that Kubiak was basically an OC as HC. Lovie has basically been a DC as HC. I'm wondering if he doesn't slant practices to favor the defense like Kubiak slanted the practices to favor the offense and if that isn't a common problem with guys making the step from a coordinator position to the head coach spot who still keep their fingers in the pie of the side of the ball they favor.

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 06:35 PM
Something they said regarding Wade coming in with JJ Watt in those first practices sticks with me. Kubiak hadn't been allowing the defense to knock balls down during practice because it interrupted the work the offense was doing on the passing game. And Wade basically said, "Dude? The Defense needs to work on defending the pass and that includes knocking balls down so deal with it." And Kubiak said, "Oh. Yeah. Guess so."

The reason I bring that up is that Kubiak was basically an OC as HC. Lovie has basically been a DC as HC. I'm wondering if he doesn't slant practices to favor the defense like Kubiak slanted the practices to favor the offense and if that isn't a common problem with guys making the step from a coordinator position to the head coach spot who still keep their fingers in the pie of the side of the ball they favor.

Never knew that. That sounds very Kubiak like. I don't see a lot of candidates anywhere though that really seem way better unfortunately unless you find some young hot name on the rise, but all of those guys are such a crap shoot. I understand why Mcnair wants a guy who has coached before. I still think Cowher would be the best guy as long as he could assemble a strong staff. He has been out for quite some time and I'm not sure that he could acquire a great staff that would have a great synergy.

Playoffs
12-11-2013, 05:57 PM
LOVIE SMITH (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/potential-texans-head-coaching-list)Lovie Smith will really appeal to Texans owner Bob McNair from a personal and professional standpoint. Professionally, Smith made it to the Super Bowl as a head coach in 2006 and as a defensive coordinator for the Rams in 2001. Smith also coached in an NFC Championship game but lost to the eventual Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers in a game that saw Jay Cutler have to remove himself due to a leg injury.

From a personal standpoint, Lovie Smith is a low-key, humble man man but is very demanding of his players. Over his nine years in Chicago, he never lost his locker room and always had guys ready to run through a wall for him. Smith is known for developing strong defenses who attack without having to blitz, but his offenses have been problematic to say the least. Finding the right offensive coordinator would be a must. If Smith were to get hired, he would implement his version of the 4-3 which will still allow J.J. Watt to shine, but will require a significant upgrade at defensive end and both outside linebacker

powda
12-11-2013, 06:09 PM
LOVIE SMITH (http://www.thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/potential-texans-head-coaching-list)

Good post and all agreeable. Smith seems like a clone of the last 2 coaches we've had in that he's a class act. I think right now he's a front runner (yes, I'm guessing. ) He looks like a safe pick with a low ceiling. Not my choice.

Texian
12-11-2013, 06:28 PM
Lovie Smith is the odds on favorite to be the next Head Coach of the Houston Texans and Jay Cutler his likely QB. I would not be surprised if this decision has already been made. That is all!

TexanSam
12-11-2013, 06:44 PM
Lovie Smith is the odds on favorite to be the next Head Coach of the Houston Texans and Jay Cutler his likely QB. I would not be surprised if this decision has already been made. That is all!

While I'd prefer Bill O'Brien or David Shaw, if your scenario plays out I can't say that I'd be disappointed. I'm not a big Jay Cutler fan but he'd be a solid upgrade over what we currently have.

Tolar's Ghost
12-11-2013, 07:47 PM
Lovie Smith is the odds on favorite to be the next Head Coach of the Houston Texans and Jay Cutler his likely QB...

Huh?

Why in the world would Smith and Cutler come as a "package" (much like Warren Moon and Hugh Campbell joined the Oilers in the '80s)?

By all accounts, theirs was not a good relationship in Chicago - and led to Smith's ouster:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22974492/bears-gm-phil-emery-elaborates-on-why-lovie-smith-was-fired

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/phil-emery-fired-lovie-smith-jay-cutler/198964

bckey
12-11-2013, 07:47 PM
While I'd prefer Bill O'Brien or David Shaw, if your scenario plays out I can't say that I'd be disappointed. I'm not a big Jay Cutler fan but he'd be a solid upgrade over what we currently have.


I still prefer Ray Horton over any of those guys. I'm neutral on Lovie but he is an upgrade over Kubiak. We could do worse. Like hiring interim head coach Wade Phillips or Mike Shanahan if he gets the axe. How about Dick Jauron, Tony Sparano, Jim Caldwell, Jack Del Rio, Josh McDaniels, Rod Marinelli, Norv Turner, Mike Tice, Pat Shurmur, Romeo Crennel , Chan Gailey, Raheem Morris, Brad Childress, Eric Mangini, etc.


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter

Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt and Texans GM Rick Smith worked together for 1 year on NFL comp committee. Whisenhunt will be Texans HC candidate

powda
12-11-2013, 08:14 PM
Lovie smith / pat shurmur doesnt sound horrible. Or lovie smith/ jay gruden ( though grudens already an oc so why take up oc at a new address?)

Saban / shurmur? Hmmm?

Texian
12-11-2013, 08:38 PM
While I'd prefer Bill O'Brien or David Shaw, if your scenario plays out I can't say that I'd be disappointed. I'm not a big Jay Cutler fan but he'd be a solid upgrade over what we currently have.

This does not spell a Commitment to Excellence to me.

Huh?

Why in the world would Smith and Cutler come as a "package" (much like Warren Moon and Hugh Campbell joined the Oilers in the '80s)?

By all accounts, theirs was not a good relationship in Chicago - and led to Smith's ouster:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22974492/bears-gm-phil-emery-elaborates-on-why-lovie-smith-was-fired

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/phil-emery-fired-lovie-smith-jay-cutler/198964

I didn't read anywhere that there was any animosity between the two. Cutler may not have been happy about another OC. Cutler is usually not happy about most things. A fued between the two, I didn't read it. The Titans could be the reason Cutler wouldn't come to the Texans.

powda
12-11-2013, 08:46 PM
This does not spell a Commitment to Excellence to me.



I didn't read anywhere that there was any animosity between the two. Cutler may not have been happy about another OC. Cutler is usually not happy about most things. A fued between the two, I didn't read it. The Titans could be the reason Cutler wouldn't come to the Texans.

Schaub played a role in kubiaks firing. Do you think wherever kubes is the other will follow? This isn't a qb chasing an offensive coach. This is a defensive coach and a qb. I don't see any outward reason for lovie and cutler to WANT to be together. If it happens it's purely circumstancial.

Texian
12-11-2013, 09:25 PM
Schaub played a role in kubiaks firing. Do you think wherever kubes is the other will follow? This isn't a qb chasing an offensive coach. This is a defensive coach and a qb. I don't see any outward reason for lovie and cutler to WANT to be together. If it happens it's purely circumstancial.

I see no feud or animosity between Schaub and Kubiak. The difference here is Cutler didn't suffer a loss of skills and performance like Schaub. Cutler is still considered an above average QB, Schaub is not. Bottom line here is it all will come down to money. If Lovie is comfortable with and would want Cutler and there is no reason to think he wouldn't, Cutler could be the best option for a vet QB. The question is could the Texans pay Cutler. Cutler is most likely to go where the money is.

powda
12-11-2013, 09:39 PM
Cutler is most likely to go where the money is.

So as I said, circumstancial. I don't think either feel an obligation and honestly lovie may blame cutler/the offense with his firing. Defense was not his problem. I wouldn't be thrilled with cutler at this point in his career...or lovie. If you gave me lovie and a top tier oc I could cope.

thunderkyss
12-11-2013, 09:54 PM
Schaub played a role in kubiaks firing. Do you think wherever kubes is the other will follow? This isn't a qb chasing an offensive coach. This is a defensive coach and a qb. I don't see any outward reason for lovie and cutler to WANT to be together. If it happens it's purely circumstancial.

I wouldn't think it would be a package deal, but I believe Lovie would be a draw to help convince Cutler to sign here. Why? Because Lovie believed in Cutler. He got him Brandon Marshall & Matt Forte.

Nobody likes change, just because he is familiar with Lovie might be a reason for Cutler to decide to come here.

Whatever team may be looking for Cutler they'll probably not be a decent team with a chance to win. If Lovie can convince Cutler that the Texans are poised to win & Cutler is that missing piece, maybe he'll fall for it (not that I think he is, but I can see a team courting him would want him to believe it).

Again...... Cutler won't be available 'till months after the decision to hire our next HC should be made. Then, he may never be available at all (the Bears can offer & sign him to a contract way before he becomes a FA) so the decision to make a run at Cutler (& the Texans may very well not be interested, they're probably sold on Bridgewater/Keenum) shouldn't affect the HC decision.

The Pencil Neck
12-11-2013, 11:36 PM
Lovie Smith is one that I'm kinda on the fence about.

Given the numbers and experience and predicting future success, he could be a great fit here and very successful.

But.

Out of 9 years with the Bears, he only went to the playoffs 3 times. That's actually very similar to Whisenhunt (2 playoff appearances out of 6 seasons) and only marginally better than Kubiak (2 playoff appearances out of 8 seasons).

That's not really lighting a fire under me to get either of them here.

I think with Lovie, we'd field a more consistent team than with Whisenhunt but unless he can figure out the issue with the offensive side of the ball, he's not someone I expect to take us to the promised land.

thunderkyss
12-12-2013, 12:02 AM
Lovie Smith is one that I'm kinda on the fence about.

Given the numbers and experience and predicting future success, he could be a great fit here and very successful.

But.

Out of 9 years with the Bears, he only went to the playoffs 3 times. That's actually very similar to Whisenhunt (2 playoff appearances out of 6 seasons) and only marginally better than Kubiak (2 playoff appearances out of 8 seasons).

That's not really lighting a fire under me to get either of them here.

I think with Lovie, we'd field a more consistent team than with Whisenhunt but unless he can figure out the issue with the offensive side of the ball, he's not someone I expect to take us to the promised land.

Good points.

Wisenhunt & Kubiak both, imo, were in much worse situations than Lovie was in. Taking the Cardinals to the Super Bowl says a lot to me. I mean, the Cardinals? They had Warner, Fitzgerald, Docket, & Adrian Wilson (you can count Antonio if you want). Overachieving some? Sure. But we could use a bit of that.

deucetx
12-12-2013, 07:52 AM
Random Fan entry from profootballtalk.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/08/texans-firing-of-kubiak-could-spark-a-feeding-frenzy/

deweyaxewound says:
Dec 9, 2013 3:57 PM

The good:

I recognize all that Lovie brought to the Bears – the great play of the defense, he was liked and respected by the players, who always played hard for him. You knew you would always have a disciplined, mature team with Lovie – no room for knuckleheads, no brats, show-boaters or self-promoters. He emphasized CHARACTER and the team-first approach.

But…here’s what drove me CRAZY about Lovie: stubborn as a mule. Sticking with Ron Turner, “Rex is our QB”, Mike Martz and the 7 step drops getting Cutler killed, “We think we’ve got a decent o-line”. Using Cedric Benson in the Super Bowl instead of Thomas Jones. His refusal to see the limits of Hester as a converted WR. He NEVER, and I mean NEVER made meaningful in-game adjustments, at the half or otherwise. If a team started exploiting the Bears in some way (the Pack used to kill us with the slant…you saw what the Seahawks did last year with the option, etc.) – Lovie stubbornly REFUSED to make any adjustments to counter the other team. Also horrible in managing a game clock, especially in the final minutes.

And some of the personnel blunders…draft blunders…using the wrong players in the wrong positions….failure to develop the talent of certain players…some of that is Lovie, but a lot of it was GM Angelo, too.

With all the talent his Bears teams have had over his tenure, I feel like they could have/should have accomplished more. I think Lovie failed to get the MOST out of his teams and the talent they had. Part of that failure was lack of depth, or lack of a “Plan B” when Plan A didn’t work. Lovie always just doggedly, stubbornly, predictably stuck to whatever the original plan was. You could even see it with Martz – calling for 7 step drops from Cutler –REPEATEDLY – with no o-line, mediocre receivers, and while the running game/Forte was hot (even with the limited touches he had). It was just shameful to watch.


As someone who is also a Bears fan a lot of this is true and some of it a bit exaggerated. Lovie is stubborn as a mule, definitely. But a lot of those adjustments and gameplanning for the offense had more to do with his offensive coordinators than himself. As head coach he has some responsbility, of course, but he is basically fully hands off when it comes to the offense. He let's his coordinator run the show. It is why if Lovie is hired it is imperative you get him a solid offensive coordinator. He puts faith in his staff like he does his players and that coordinator will have control of his side like Wade has on defense here.

Now with that said, if Lovie feels a change is needed, it happened. When he mentioned the drops and throwing quicker passes the next week the Bears did as such. Problem was Martz was very stubborn himself and it went back to what he loved which is the 7-step drops. It was one reason many Bears fans hated the hire of Martz. Tice was inept to be an offensive coordinator. In fact, Lovie has been horrible in choosing coordinators during his tenure with the Bears which is what makes it the driving point when you interview him.

The exaggerated bit is the 'not getting the best out of his roster'. I would have to call crap on that one. He never had much of an offense. You can polish **** if you want but in the end it's still ****. His QB's were Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Chad Hutchinson, Brian Griese and finally Jay Cutler. Until Cutler the Bears haven't had a good quarterback since Sid Luckman in the freaking 1940's. Yet he took a team with crappy receivers (from '03-'11 not a single 1k receiver), a medicore to piss poor offensive line and only strong on one side of the ball to the Superbowl and a NFC title game. All of this with a subpar GM at that. We have a crappy offensive line here and had medicore to piss poor quarterback play but some have some playermakers and are on a 11 game losing streak.

If your GM is bad and not giving you talent yet you gain some amount of success then you just got more out of your players. Look at the Bears defense now. They look like crap. You can run the ball on them at will in embarassing fashion. With Lovie that wasn't the case just a year ago. He got more out of horrible players like Chris Conte, Major Wright, etc. Now they look like the Red Sea parting when someone runs the ball on them. Just like Daniel Manning didn't become a decent/solid player til Lovie went one on one with him.

So yeah he has some negatives but the main focus is the offensive side and should be the drilling point in hiring him. He needs a firm list of coordinators he is interested in. If he doesn't then he needs to return to his ranch. Simple as that.

MistaRed
12-19-2013, 11:16 AM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26

The Texans have interviewed former Bears head coach Lovie Smith as the Texans begin the process to find their next head coach.

It has begun.....

Playoffs
12-19-2013, 11:39 AM
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Smith is a native Texan who won state titles in high school at Big Sandy. He won 3 NFC North titles with Bears and lost SB XLI to Colts.

Story: #Texans interview former #Bears coach Lovie Smith for head coaching position. Smith is first to interview. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/12/lovie-smith-interviews-for-texans-coaching-position/ …

Owner Bob McNair said Smith would be interviewed since he's not working this season. Smith plans to return. Should have multiple options.

Smith, 55, was 84-66, including 3-3 in the playoffs, during 9 years with the Bears. He was fired after they finished 10-6 last season.

CloakNNNdagger
12-19-2013, 12:02 PM
Kinda glad he is the first to be interviewed......probably first to be forgotten.

Playoffs
12-19-2013, 12:10 PM
Kinda glad he is the first to be interviewed......probably first to be forgotten.

I think he's the leader for the job. Checks in a lot of the non-football boxes that dovetail with what McNair/Smith want in an individual.

Hervoyel
12-19-2013, 12:13 PM
It has begun.....


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/SoitBegins_zpsa0dce9f4.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
12-19-2013, 12:17 PM
I think he's the leader for the job. Checks in a lot of the non-football boxes that dovetail with what McNair/Smith want in an individual.

I just hope that McNair hadn't made up his mind before it's started.

Thorn
12-19-2013, 12:17 PM
Do. Not. Want.

TexansFight
12-19-2013, 01:08 PM
Do. Not. Want.


Completely agree. Hopefully, he was interviewed to get the Rooney Rule requirement out of the way so that we can hire the guy that I covet, Bill O'Brien. We will have the next elite NFL head coach if we get Bill O'Brien. More mediocrity with Lovie.

thunderkyss
12-19-2013, 02:01 PM
We know Lovie can get a team with questions at every offensive position to the Super Bowl & we say, "Do Not Want?"

Really?

Playoffs
12-19-2013, 02:08 PM
We know Lovie can get a team with questions at every offensive position to the Super Bowl & we say, "Do Not Want?"


And with horrid drafting by Jerry Angelo. Just awful.

michaelm
12-19-2013, 02:10 PM
Definitely not my first pick, but I think we could do much worse.

thunderkyss
12-19-2013, 02:11 PM
And with horrid drafting by Jerry Angelo. Just awful.

I guess they'd be all on board if he had a protruding chin.

Yeah, these guys know how to separate a good coach from a bad one.

BullNation4Life
12-19-2013, 02:34 PM
Personally, I don't care who they get just as long as they produce a winner. Many coaches that get second chances and the right personnel go on to have fantastic careers.

at least it has worked for that re-tread coach for the Patriots...

TexansFight
12-19-2013, 02:57 PM
I guess they'd be all on board if he had a protruding chin.

Yeah, these guys know how to separate a good coach from a bad one.

I know a good coach when I see one. I have been watching the NFL for a long time. Bob McNair can save himself a lot of money that he is paying to Korn/Ferry by hiring Bill O'Brien. On MaD Radio show today they had a guest who said that he believes O'Brien is going to be a slam dunk elite NFL coach. Lovie is a stubborn coach and Texans fans don't need more of that. He is a mediocre coach.

Marcus
12-19-2013, 03:21 PM
I know a good coach when I see one. I have been watching the NFL for a long time. Bob McNair can save himself a lot of money that he is paying to Korn/Ferry by hiring Bill O'Brien. On MaD Radio show today they had a guest who said that he believes O'Brien is going to be a slam dunk elite NFL coach. Lovie is a stubborn coach and Texans fans don't need more of that. He is a mediocre coach.

You wouldn't know a good coach if he jumped up and bit you on the ass.

Stubborn and mediocre? Isn't that the description that any fan gives about a coach they either don't, or don't like any more?

You're so hot to trot on this Bill O'Brien. If they hire him, and two years from now, if he doesn't do like you want, you'll call for his head, and do you know what your reasons will be? Because he's 'stubborn' and 'mediocre'.:rolleyes:

THE two most overused words in the the football fanbase.

Double Barrel
12-19-2013, 03:24 PM
I'll get behind Lovie Smith if they hire him, simply because I'm a Texans fan.

But, he is not my first choice and certainly does not inspire anything great. Yes, he did get his team to the Super Bowl, so he's marginally better than Kubiak as a head coach. But, beyond that, his record is very similar to other sort of average coaches who are not complete failures.

eriadoc
12-19-2013, 03:25 PM
I know a good coach when I see one. I have been watching the NFL for a long time. Bob McNair can save himself a lot of money that he is paying to Korn/Ferry by hiring Bill O'Brien. On MaD Radio show today they had a guest who said that he believes O'Brien is going to be a slam dunk elite NFL coach. Lovie is a stubborn coach and Texans fans don't need more of that. He is a mediocre coach.

If by mediocre, you mean 84-66, then yes. But if that's the case, I'd be curious what you'd think of a .500 record. Or a sub-.500 record, for that matter.

TheMatrix31
12-19-2013, 03:55 PM
It has to be a perfect storm. Not only does a coach have to fit, he needs players and luck too.

disaacks3
12-19-2013, 04:06 PM
I guess they'd be all on board if he had a protruding chin.

Yeah, these guys know how to separate a good coach from a bad one.

Read THIS (http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/22/3902554/chicago-bears-lovie-smith-coaching-record-statistically-not-significant) and tell me how Lovie > Cowher again. :kitten:

TexansFight
12-19-2013, 04:07 PM
You wouldn't know a good coach if he jumped up and bit you on the ass.

Stubborn and mediocre? Isn't that the description that any fan gives about a coach they either don't, or don't like any more?

You're so hot to trot on this Bill O'Brien. If they hire him, and two years from now, if he doesn't do like you want, you'll call for his head, and do you know what your reasons will be? Because he's 'stubborn' and 'mediocre'.:rolleyes:

THE two most overused words in the the football fanbase.

Nice ad hominem attack. I have earlier stated that I am calling my shot that Bill O'Brien is going to be an elite NFL coach and you can hold my feet to to the fire if I am wrong. I am putting my money where my mouth is.

Lovie Smith has a reputation for being stubborn as a mule. I want a coach who is willing to adapt and change in order to win. We had a coach in Kubiak who through his stubborness regarding his choice of QB and archaic NFL offense caused us to have a horrific season. I don't want anything resembling Kubiak coaching the Texans.

As someone who is also a Bears fan a lot of this is true and some of it a bit exaggerated. Lovie is stubborn as a mule, definitely. But a lot of those adjustments and gameplanning for the offense had more to do with his offensive coordinators than himself. As head coach he has some responsbility, of course, but he is basically fully hands off when it comes to the offense. He let's his coordinator run the show. It is why if Lovie is hired it is imperative you get him a solid offensive coordinator. He puts faith in his staff like he does his players and that coordinator will have control of his side like Wade has on defense here.

Now with that said, if Lovie feels a change is needed, it happened. When he mentioned the drops and throwing quicker passes the next week the Bears did as such. Problem was Martz was very stubborn himself and it went back to what he loved which is the 7-step drops. It was one reason many Bears fans hated the hire of Martz. Tice was inept to be an offensive coordinator. In fact, Lovie has been horrible in choosing coordinators during his tenure with the Bears which is what makes it the driving point when you interview him.

The exaggerated bit is the 'not getting the best out of his roster'. I would have to call crap on that one. He never had much of an offense. You can polish **** if you want but in the end it's still ****. His QB's were Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Chad Hutchinson, Brian Griese and finally Jay Cutler. Until Cutler the Bears haven't had a good quarterback since Sid Luckman in the freaking 1940's. Yet he took a team with crappy receivers (from '03-'11 not a single 1k receiver), a medicore to piss poor offensive line and only strong on one side of the ball to the Superbowl and a NFC title game. All of this with a subpar GM at that. We have a crappy offensive line here and had medicore to piss poor quarterback play but some have some playermakers and are on a 11 game losing streak.

If your GM is bad and not giving you talent yet you gain some amount of success then you just got more out of your players. Look at the Bears defense now. They look like crap. You can run the ball on them at will in embarassing fashion. With Lovie that wasn't the case just a year ago. He got more out of horrible players like Chris Conte, Major Wright, etc. Now they look like the Red Sea parting when someone runs the ball on them. Just like Daniel Manning didn't become a decent/solid player til Lovie went one on one with him.

So yeah he has some negatives but the main focus is the offensive side and should be the drilling point in hiring him. He needs a firm list of coordinators he is interested in. If he doesn't then he needs to return to his ranch. Simple as that.

thunderkyss
12-20-2013, 07:33 AM
I'll get behind Lovie Smith if they hire him, simply because I'm a Texans fan.

But, he is not my first choice...

He's not my first choice either, but I'm not going to call him a bad coach, or say that I do not want him. The only person on McNair's list that I do not want is Wade Phillips. He's a bad coach. Bad DC, bad coach.

thunderkyss
12-20-2013, 07:33 AM
Read THIS (http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/22/3902554/chicago-bears-lovie-smith-coaching-record-statistically-not-significant) and tell me how Lovie > Cowher again. :kitten:

Read anything I wrote & tell me how you got that I think Lovie is better than Cowher.

steelbtexan
12-20-2013, 07:43 AM
You wouldn't know a good coach if he jumped up and bit you on the ass.

Stubborn and mediocre? Isn't that the description that any fan gives about a coach they either don't, or don't like any more?

You're so hot to trot on this Bill O'Brien. If they hire him, and two years from now, if he doesn't do like you want, you'll call for his head, and do you know what your reasons will be? Because he's 'stubborn' and 'mediocre'.:rolleyes:

THE two most overused words in the the football fanbase.

You can read the future?

Tell me more about those lotto numbers.

cuppacoffee
12-20-2013, 09:58 AM
You can read the future?

Tell me more about those lotto numbers.

I can help you there.

12-17-34-25-46-32

Got them from a reliable fortune cookie at the local Chinese restaurant.

I don't really want Lovie as our coach either. Is it too soon to give Aaron Kromer a look?

:coffee:

b0ng
12-20-2013, 10:09 AM
Completely agree. Hopefully, he was interviewed to get the Rooney Rule requirement out of the way so that we can hire the guy that I covet, Bill O'Brien. We will have the next elite NFL head coach if we get Bill O'Brien. More mediocrity with Lovie.

You're not going to pull in a guy who is a former HC as a Rooney Rule guy, it'd be some positional coach that you know has no chance. Pretty sure the Texans are genuinely interested in Lovie Smith and aren't using him to get around a rule that you have to interview minority coaches.

Hervoyel
12-20-2013, 10:13 AM
I've bought into the O'Brien hype so obviously that's who I want.

There are worse fates than Lovie Smith. I'd prefer to roll the dice and see if Bill O'Brien is the guy though.

houstonspartan
12-21-2013, 02:32 PM
I've bought into the O'Brien hype so obviously that's who I want.

There are worse fates than Lovie Smith. I'd prefer to roll the dice and see if Bill O'Brien is the guy though.

I'm willing to roll the dice on O'Brien as well. I just think it's funny that a guy who was been an NFL head coach for 0 years is already being called elite and a genius. Lol.


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Texecutioner
12-21-2013, 03:08 PM
I'm willing to roll the dice on O'Brien as well. I just think it's funny that a guy who was been an NFL head coach for 0 years is already being called elite and a genius. Lol.


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Who called him a genius?? I'm very high on him myself and he is the guy I want for the Texans, but I haven't seen anyone refer to him as that. That is the same crap people threw out about Kubiak before he ever coached a game.