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mussop
12-06-2013, 06:25 PM
Secondary coach or secondary scout? It's just pathetic that our secondary makes so many mental mistakes and play with such poor technique.

Showtime100
12-06-2013, 06:31 PM
Not much to choose from, dude. I see you think the secondary coaches should be next, but put something besides "other" for the rest of us?

cdain1
12-06-2013, 06:31 PM
Schaub

welsh texan
12-06-2013, 06:34 PM
Secondary coach or secondary scout? It's just pathetic that our secondary makes so many mental mistakes and play with such poor technique.

Vance can maybe be credited with bringing Kareem along but the regression has been hideous.

Linebackers coach, Cushing is Cushing so discount him, mercilus a first rounder, reed a second, both dog****. Sharpton showed some promise too and he hasn't been able to get anything of value out of a carousel of FA signings.

Dline coach similar story, smith and watt are what they are, everyone else has shown very little of value, and a guy they saw nothing in is contributing in New England right now.

It'll be surprising if wade survives quite frankly, Kubiak at least got contributions out of low round talent on O. I'm hoping its just a case that you can't fire everyone mid season and not that any of these Schmucks are going to survive.

steelbtexan
12-06-2013, 06:36 PM
Rick Smith

It will never happen BoB owes him 2 more yrs.

BoB's statement shows how out of touch, or how little hcares about the state of the franchise. (The Texans are one of the most talented teams in the NFL) BoB show me where all of this talent resides.

steelbtexan
12-06-2013, 06:39 PM
Vance can maybe be credited with bringing Kareem along but the regression has been hideous.

Linebackers coach, Cushing is Cushing so discount him, mercilus a first rounder, reed a second, both dog****. Sharpton showed some promise too and he hasn't been able to get anything of value out of a carousel of FA signings.

Dline coach similar story, smith and watt are what they are, everyone else has shown very little of value, and a guy they saw nothing in is contributing in New England right now.

It'll be surprising if wade survives quite frankly, Kubiak at least got contributions out of low round talent on O. I'm hoping its just a case that you can't fire everyone mid season and not that any of these Schmucks are going to survive.

Repped

I wouldn't count on Rick and probably Wade being fired.

htownfan32
12-06-2013, 06:40 PM
It's not gonna happen, but I want Wade to get the axe. Dude's defense is just getting worse.

steelbtexan
12-06-2013, 06:40 PM
Secondary coach or secondary scout? It's just pathetic that our secondary makes so many mental mistakes and play with such poor technique.

Rick provides the players.

Didn't Rick used to play DB in college?

PapaL
12-06-2013, 06:41 PM
The wishy washy fans.

mussop
12-06-2013, 06:44 PM
Not much to choose from, dude. I see you think the secondary coaches should be next, but put something besides "other" for the rest of us?

Did you not see option B, the secondary scout or scouts?

steelbtexan
12-06-2013, 06:46 PM
The wishy washy fans.

Let me make my message clear

Fire them all

Not gonna happen and the team will continue to bear the fruit of these decisions.

WolverineFan
12-06-2013, 06:48 PM
I find it hard to blame the scouts when Wade is the one running Brice McCain out there to cover Julian Edelman and Jeff Tarpinian to cover Rob Gronkowski man-to-man.

Everyone knows we are going to run man coverage in the red zone. There are ways to beat man coverage. If you know a team is going to run man coverage then you can design your offensive plan to specifically exploit man coverage. Wade doesn't seem to understand this. That has nothing to do with scouts and everything to do with coaching.

mussop
12-06-2013, 06:54 PM
I find it hard to blame the scouts when Wade is the one running Brice McCain out there to cover Julian Edelman and Jeff Tarpinian to cover Rob Gronkowski man-to-man.

Everyone knows we are going to run man coverage in the red zone. There are ways to beat man coverage. If you know a team is going to run man coverage then you can design your offensive plan to specifically exploit man coverage. Wade doesn't seem to understand this. That has nothing to do with scouts and everything to do with coaching.

Good points.

Seegara
12-06-2013, 06:54 PM
Other meaning Marciano.

PapaL
12-06-2013, 06:55 PM
Other meaning Marciano.

He's already been fired.

TEXANRED
12-06-2013, 07:15 PM
Dennison should be fired next along with Bullock.

ATXtexanfan
12-06-2013, 07:18 PM
chicken or egg? elite pass rush or elite secondary?

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2013, 07:19 PM
I hate to say it, but Wade's D game plans, have become just as stale and predictable and penalty-laden as Kubiak's O...........neither having a reasonable concept of what it means to adjust.........making me ponder what would have him assigned the interim HC position, let alone not being released himself (unless the plan is for his release right after the last game).

Thorn
12-06-2013, 07:20 PM
Except for the fact he's the interim head coach, Wade needs to be the next to go.

Linca
12-06-2013, 07:20 PM
Dennison is out the door, then hopefully its the linebacker coach, then the secondary coach...And then anyone who messes up next to set an example.

welsh texan
12-06-2013, 07:25 PM
chicken or egg? elite pass rush or elite secondary?

If the farm don't got chickens or eggs, fire the farmer.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2013, 07:28 PM
If the farm don't got chickens or eggs, fire the farmer.

.............and sell the farm............:mcnugget:

The Pencil Neck
12-06-2013, 07:31 PM
I don't see how this isn't a complete and total house-cleaning.

I don't think they're going to make any more changes (except for maybe Bullock) until the hour after the last game. And then it's everybody.

Trap_Star
12-06-2013, 07:40 PM
Cal McNair's mustache.


That thing needs to go. Sleazy, 80's, porn guys cringe at that thing.

acal21
12-06-2013, 07:42 PM
Just get rid of all the coaching staff

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-06-2013, 07:43 PM
Rick Smith

Texecutioner
12-06-2013, 07:56 PM
If only Bob McNair could be added to this list.

Showtime100
12-06-2013, 07:59 PM
Did you not see option B, the secondary scout or scouts?

Did you not read my post? Gimme something other than "secondary" was my point.

TheIronDuke
12-06-2013, 08:00 PM
He's already been fired.

If only he could be fired twice.

Smith should be next to go but he won't. He's the "secondary scout."

Marcus
12-06-2013, 08:11 PM
It doesn't help matters much when Jonathan Joseph, goes from elite shut-down corner to not being able to cover the toilet lid with his own ass.

Tolar's Ghost
12-06-2013, 08:11 PM
Cal McNair's mustache...

Although Ron Burgundy digs it.

CloakNNNdagger
12-06-2013, 08:16 PM
It doesn't help matters much when Jonathan Joseph, goes from elite shut-down corner to not being able to cover the toilet lid with his own ass.

One very reasonable explanation could be the re-injury to his groin that he is playing through.......after having undergone bilateral ("sports hernia") groin surgery last year.

aussie_texan
12-06-2013, 08:19 PM
It's not gonna happen, but I want Wade to get the axe. Dude's defense is just getting worse.

it will happen. he gave a bit of a hint into his preference for the HC being a DC over a OC. any defensive minded coach who comes in will already have HC experience either in the NFL or College and will want to run the defence himself and will not have Phillips there. Wade is only interim and will be gone at the end of the season.

digitalswim
12-06-2013, 08:23 PM
Kind of a moot point really. They are all getting the axe in three more games. Someone has to drive the short bus for the remaining games.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 08:31 PM
Other.... Me.

I haven't been bringing my "A" game for years. I thought dropping my weight down to 155 lbs. would add some quicks, but it only knocked my bench press down to 3 reps at 98 lbs. My fanside vocals are non-existent, as I haven't attended a game in years because I'm permanently implanted into a 1987 vintage Gallery Furniture La-Z-Boy Columbia Blue naugahyde recliner (crafted from the now extinct nauga beast (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5128/5350027175_c7d7937da8_b.jpg)).

So go ahead, gimme the boot. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/ass-kicking.gif

Exascor
12-06-2013, 08:36 PM
I don't see how this isn't a complete and total house-cleaning.

I don't think they're going to make any more changes (except for maybe Bullock) until the hour after the last game. And then it's everybody.

I agree almost completely with you. The only thing short of a clean house will be Rick Smith. I think he's sticking around.

Uncle Rico
12-06-2013, 08:54 PM
The equipment manager. The amount of slips endured by the team is criminal.

badboy
12-06-2013, 10:07 PM
If the farm don't got chickens or eggs, fire the farmer.yep it is up to farmer to get chickens and gather the eggs and make sure hens are laying up to potential. If you do not know how to farm better look for something else.

Norg
12-06-2013, 10:33 PM
they need to fire all the coaches from top to bottom


from the GM down to the FO down to the towel boy

that's why im so mad RIck smith has not been fired

texanhead08
12-06-2013, 10:39 PM
Rick Smith...you remember how bad we thought David Gibbs was in 2010 well he just fielded a defense at UH that led the nation in turnovers caused. We thought it was him in 2010 and now looking back you can see it was a talent issue.

CretorFrigg
12-06-2013, 11:36 PM
Rick Smith...you remember how bad we thought David Gibbs was in 2010 well he just fielded a defense at UH that led the nation in turnovers caused. We thought it was him in 2010 and now looking back you can see it was a talent issue.

Dude, I want Rick Smith gone as much as the other guy (see the title under my user name), but Gibbs succeeding at UH means nothing. The level of competition in the NFL and C-USA is completely different.

It's a lot simpler than that. Just look at the draft picks from the last 5 years. A lot of them, especially the mid to late round draft picks, have turned out to be complete busts. I remember at the beginning of the season when Rick Smith was getting praise for having so many UDFA on the roster. Many never stopped to think maybe that was a bad thing that our team could field so many UDFAs. Maybe it was a testament to our lack of depth.

All I see are bad decisions, from Ahman Green to Ed Reed. Getting rid of Glover Quin and replacing him with an aging/declining Reed? Total Rick Smith move. Cutting Eric Winston, losing our RG, and completely decimating the right side of the offensive line COULDN'T have been a good move, yet we had to ruin the continuity because of cap issues. Rick Smith has failed this team, and he's got to go along with Kubiak and Marciano.

kingtexan
12-07-2013, 06:47 AM
Rick Smith ...

gafftop
12-07-2013, 09:34 AM
Rick Smith

The GM has to be concerned with the long term view of the team. Rick has been year to year worried about saving his job. He should have traded Tate this year when we might have got a 1st round draft choice for him just to point out most recent example.

See Morey for Rockets he built up talent and used them as chips to continuously make the Rockets a force. Smith just rents his players or overpays for others. (See Reed, Schaub, and others)

I can hear it now " Rick Smith just can't improve this team because of the cap."
Guess what Smith is the reason the Texans are in this situation.

McNair thinks this team is much more talented than it really is. That is the main reason I guess McNair hasn't gotten rid of Smith. Seriously Smith is the person in the brain trust with the most football knowledge on this organization? We are still drowning then.

See his resume and highlights
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/staff/rick-smith/27d9bc61-495d-46e8-a7a3-5f875710e9b2

Schaub, Yates, Brooks Reed, Mercilus, trading DeMeco, KJ, and Crick are mentioned as a few of his GREAT moves. SERIOUSLY!!!!?????

I am still pissed because I see at BEST intermittent success for this franchise.

Kind of like "Even a blind hog finds an acorn" I think sums up our time with Smith in charge.

Also don't like snakes. The right thing was for Smith to fall on the sword also instead of using it to stab Kubiak.

Just my opinion.

Nitrofish
12-07-2013, 10:44 AM
First and foremost if they are going to clean house, it should be top to bottom. Anything less is incomplete and is like cutting out half of a tumor and seeing how things go. The fact is whomever comes in to be the HC will want his own people and not leftovers unless McNair forces them on him. And who in their right mind would start out that way?

I find it hard to blame the scouts when Wade is the one running Brice McCain out there to cover Julian Edelman and Jeff Tarpinian to cover Rob Gronkowski man-to-man.

Everyone knows we are going to run man coverage in the red zone. There are ways to beat man coverage. If you know a team is going to run man coverage then you can design your offensive plan to specifically exploit man coverage. Wade doesn't seem to understand this. That has nothing to do with scouts and everything to do with coaching.

Seems to me like most everyone was just running rub routes (picks) on the the Texans D especially in the red zone. You would think that Wade might consider switching on the rub like they do in basketball, but from watching the games it seems like that never crossed his mind.

I don't see how this isn't a complete and total house-cleaning.

I don't think they're going to make any more changes (except for maybe Bullock) until the hour after the last game. And then it's everybody.


I agree with this, but if Smith is not also cast off, then it is NOT a house cleaning.

I agree almost completely with you. The only thing short of a clean house will be Rick Smith. I think he's sticking around.

Sadly I agree. If you as the owner are fed up, cut em all loose and start over, but Uncle Bob believes the Texans will emulate the Colts and turn it around in 1 year, even though it will be new offensive and defensive schemes most likely and allot of different personnel.

Surreal McCoy
12-07-2013, 11:35 AM
Sadly I agree. If you as the owner are fed up, cut em all loose and start over, but Uncle Bob believes the Texans will emulate the Colts and turn it around in 1 year, even though it will be new offensive and defensive schemes most likely and allot of different personnel.

Rasputin has been in his ear. It was easier to overlook Smith's dismal failings as a GM when he was the likable guy int he background. However, after seeing him publicly throw the guy who hired him under the bus just to save his own skin, it's now apparent that was just a veneer...

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 01:53 AM
Training staff should be gone immediately. Sick of the injuries.

escrimador
12-08-2013, 02:12 AM
Obama

YeaLikeRightNow
12-08-2013, 03:40 AM
Training staff should be gone immediately. Sick of the injuries.


This is a priority, conditioning coaches/personnel have been abysmal the past two seasons.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 11:15 AM
Training staff should be gone immediately. Sick of the injuries.

This is a priority, conditioning coaches/personnel have been abysmal the past two seasons.

The Texans have gone through at least four different training staffs along with wholesale equipment and methodology changes in their existence. Still fans see injuries and blame the staff. Injuries are normal in the NFL.

Ben Frank
12-08-2013, 11:22 AM
Drew Dougherty lol, Am I the only one who feels like this guy is a snake in the grass, He seems like the type of person to smile in your face, then go tell management things about you to get you fired, because he's insecure about loosing his job.. what happened to that one guy who was doing Texans TV with him, he got replaced by Deepi and I barly even see her on there any more

Maybe its just me tho lol

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 04:54 PM
The Texans have gone through at least four different training staffs along with wholesale equipment and methodology changes in their existence. Still fans see injuries and blame the staff. Injuries are normal in the NFL.


Maybe it's because I'm a Suns fan and I see how a training staff makes such a difference. Maybe it doesn't matter as much in the NFL since it's so physical regardless.

Still think there's something to it. When did the last change occur?

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 05:25 PM
Maybe it's because I'm a Suns fan and I see how a training staff makes such a difference. Maybe it doesn't matter as much in the NFL since it's so physical regardless.

Still think there's something to it. When did the last change occur?

Cedric Smith got here in 2010. In 2012 he was named Stength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by the S&C coaches.

TheMatrix31
12-08-2013, 05:42 PM
That's pretty crazy considering we've been so destroyed the last three years. Eh.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 05:55 PM
Rasputin has been in his ear. It was easier to overlook Smith's dismal failings as a GM when he was the likable guy int he background. However, after seeing him publicly throw the guy who hired him under the bus just to save his own skin, it's now apparent that was just a veneer...

Rick Smith = teflon

The appocalypse is near. Surreal and SB agreeing.

steelbtexan
12-08-2013, 05:57 PM
Rick Smith

The GM has to be concerned with the long term view of the team. Rick has been year to year worried about saving his job. He should have traded Tate this year when we might have got a 1st round draft choice for him just to point out most recent example.

See Morey for Rockets he built up talent and used them as chips to continuously make the Rockets a force. Smith just rents his players or overpays for others. (See Reed, Schaub, and others)

I can hear it now " Rick Smith just can't improve this team because of the cap."
Guess what Smith is the reason the Texans are in this situation.

McNair thinks this team is much more talented than it really is. That is the main reason I guess McNair hasn't gotten rid of Smith. Seriously Smith is the person in the brain trust with the most football knowledge on this organization? We are still drowning then.

See his resume and highlights
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/staff/rick-smith/27d9bc61-495d-46e8-a7a3-5f875710e9b2

Schaub, Yates, Brooks Reed, Mercilus, trading DeMeco, KJ, and Crick are mentioned as a few of his GREAT moves. SERIOUSLY!!!!?????

I am still pissed because I see at BEST intermittent success for this franchise.

Kind of like "Even a blind hog finds an acorn" I think sums up our time with Smith in charge.

Also don't like snakes. The right thing was for Smith to fall on the sword also instead of using it to stab Kubiak.

Just my opinion.

Repped

The snake thing is spot on.

SAMURAITEXAN
12-08-2013, 07:55 PM
Repped

The snake thing is spot on.

Although Kubiak and Smith did improve this team from Dom's era(this was really a bottom of Texan's short history), we now need to improve from Kubiak's era. If we are to look for GM, is there Morey like GM available? (I am not familiar with GM area of search)