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Vinny
12-06-2013, 10:47 AM
3pm Presser moved up to 11am.

http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/LIVE-Gary-Kubiak-press-conference/fe648798-014b-42ba-bfd3-e2110cfd2b3a

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 10:47 AM
hmmmm....speculation? :hmmm:

Exascor
12-06-2013, 10:49 AM
hmmmm....speculation? :hmmm:

Kubiak resigning IMO.

Honoring Earl 34
12-06-2013, 10:50 AM
hmmmm....speculation? :hmmm:

They're going to have a Craig Biggio celebration day vs the Broncos . First 20,000 into the stadium will get a Biggio bobblehead doll . :clown:

HOU-TEX
12-06-2013, 10:50 AM
Tania said it was moved up due to the schedule this week. Whatever that means. So, no reason to get hopes up

Texian
12-06-2013, 10:50 AM
Initial reason is everyone getting 3 days off so they're going early, however rumbling in the press, Peter King and McClain suggesting Kubiak is OUT!

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 10:51 AM
@SI_PeterKing:
I expect Gary Kubiak will be fired today as the coach of the Texans.

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/408998485212422144

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-06-2013, 10:52 AM
Decided to forfeit the rest of the season to guarantee #1 draft pick

IlliniJen
12-06-2013, 10:53 AM
Initial reason is everyone getting 3 days off so they're going early, however rumbling in the press, Peter King and McClain suggesting Kubiak is OUT!

McClain was also convinced the Texans were drafting VY with the first pick years back. If something does happen to Kubiak today, I'll chalk McClain's suggestion to an "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile" occurrence.

I will be SHOCKED if anything changes. McNair seems fine with closing out with the suck.

Coolhandsluke2
12-06-2013, 10:54 AM
Kubes getting canned?

:clown:

Dutchrudder
12-06-2013, 10:57 AM
If Kubes is fired, it most likely means they are targeting a HC hire that is currently not on a team. Gruden anyone? Maaaaaaaaybe? :D

TexansFight
12-06-2013, 11:00 AM
"@SI_PeterKing: I expect Gary Kubiak will be fired today as the coach of the Texans."

NCTexan
12-06-2013, 11:00 AM
The only bad news if Kubes gets the ax is that Wade will be the coach in the meanwhile.

Texian
12-06-2013, 11:02 AM
NFLN carrying Kubiak presser live

TexansBull
12-06-2013, 11:05 AM
The only bad news if Kubes gets the ax is that Wade will be the coach in the meanwhile.

Remember when people wanted Wade over Kubes?

Mr teX
12-06-2013, 11:07 AM
Kubiak finally getting that Sounder/Old Yeller treatment....

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:08 AM
Ian Rappaport saying coaches have been told nothing about a change.

silvrhand
12-06-2013, 11:08 AM
Bah link not working for me at work.. blargh..

Is he fired?

Trap_Star
12-06-2013, 11:10 AM
Glazer saying Kubiak has told the rest of the coaches he's been let go.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:11 AM
Is he fired?

Podium isn't even setup yet.

Texian
12-06-2013, 11:11 AM
Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer 1m

Just heard from a Texans member who told me Coach Kubiak has informed coaches he has been let go

disaacks3
12-06-2013, 11:11 AM
Kubiak and Marciano getting contract extensions? :clown:

TexansBull
12-06-2013, 11:11 AM
Bah link not working for me at work.. blargh..

Is he fired?

Why would he get fired? He has brought us two great back up qbs! - sarcasm

HOU-TEX
12-06-2013, 11:12 AM
Glazer saying Kubiak has told the rest of the coaches he's been let go.

Here's the Tweet

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer 4m
Just heard from a Texans member who told me Coach Kubiak has informed coaches he has been let go

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:12 AM
Kubiak leaking his own release

Texian
12-06-2013, 11:12 AM
Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer 1m

Again, Texans assistants have been informed by Coach Kubiak that he has been fired. Coach told them he loves them but has been let go

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:13 AM
Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer
Again, Texans assistants have been informed by Coach Kubiak that he has been fired. Coach told them he loves them but has been let go

Just heard from a Texans member who told me Coach Kubiak has informed coaches he has been let go

deucetx
12-06-2013, 11:13 AM
Here's a link though really doesn't say much more than what has been said:

http://tracking.si.com/2013/12/06/gary-kubiak-fired-texans-coach/

santo
12-06-2013, 11:14 AM
I wish him the best if true.

badboy
12-06-2013, 11:14 AM
790 has NFL guy confirming, Kubes out.

TexansBull
12-06-2013, 11:15 AM
Maybe the 3PM presser is for Rick Smith...:survivor:

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:16 AM
This is a sad day for me. I had such high hopes for Gary with the Texans.


Very somber in the press room. And way more media than usual. Doesn't look like a lot, but it's more than the standard group.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:17 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Gary-Kubiak-finished-as-Texans-head-coach-/ad623c40-228f-4bdb-96bb-1940a618198c its official

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:18 AM
reports are that Kubiak left the building and will not talk to the press

Mr teX
12-06-2013, 11:19 AM
Just got the text from 610...its offficial....HE GONE YA'LL.....

rejoicing in the streets of houston!!!!!!!!!:shades:

TexansBull
12-06-2013, 11:20 AM
reports are that Kubiak left the building and will not talk to the press

It is sad. I think many wished him success.

Coolhandsluke2
12-06-2013, 11:20 AM
Well that's that. :clap:

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:20 AM
McNairs & Smith at the table - - Kubiak fired.

Wade is interim.

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 11:20 AM
Good luck, Kubiak, and thanks for all the fish! :)

silvrhand
12-06-2013, 11:21 AM
reports are that Kubiak left the building and will not talk to the press

Gary is a class act, he has always acted with class while he is here, I hope for the sake of sanity that he gets a bit of class from the media.

I wish it would have worked out for him here, but it didn't maybe a reset for him will do well, get his health right, some time away, and take some time to come up with a new system.

Good luck Gary!

TexansBull
12-06-2013, 11:21 AM
Good luck, Kubiak, and thanks for all the fish! :)

Fish? Huh?

TheIronDuke
12-06-2013, 11:22 AM
See ya Kubes, and thanks for whatever.

bash
12-06-2013, 11:22 AM
I feel semi-sad, but at the end of the day....skills pay the bills.




:swatter:

Runner
12-06-2013, 11:22 AM
Fish? Huh?

Literary reference.

darnbni99a
12-06-2013, 11:22 AM
Marciano next please!!

Bleed_Blu_Red
12-06-2013, 11:23 AM
So Wade is now the Interim Coach.

Mr teX
12-06-2013, 11:23 AM
It was just time...McNair couldn't just ignore that anymore...

LonerATO
12-06-2013, 11:23 AM
Love how McNair is still talking about how this team was supposed to be a Super Bowl winning team, he's part of the problem with that kind of talk.

TexansSeminole
12-06-2013, 11:23 AM
Good.

Good luck Kubiak, hope you find success somewhere else.

Rey
12-06-2013, 11:24 AM
Thanks for whatever you did kubiak. For real. Stand up guy, just not a good coach. Rest up, collect your thoughts, enjoy your family and take care of your health.

WolverineFan
12-06-2013, 11:25 AM
Gary is a class act, he has always acted with class while he is here, I hope for the sake of sanity that he gets a bit of class from the media.

I wish it would have worked out for him here, but it didn't maybe a reset for him will do well, get his health right, some time away, and take some time to come up with a new system.

Good luck Gary!

Agree. Gary is a class act and I truly do respect him as a man.

He's just a horrible head coach. Best of luck in his next coaching stop and hopefully, with the stress of being a HC lifted, he won't have any further health problems.

Pantherstang84
12-06-2013, 11:25 AM
Thanks for whatever you did kubiak. For real. Stand up guy, just not a good coach. Rest up, collect your thoughts, enjoy your family and take care of your health.

Ditto. Take care of your health first and sorry it did not work out. Stand up guy.

Bleed_Blu_Red
12-06-2013, 11:26 AM
Sounds like McNair is sticking with Rick Smith. What legit coach could the Texans bring in?

HOU-TEX
12-06-2013, 11:26 AM
He will always be the coach that got this franchise to the playoffs 1st. I appreciate that.

Peace

houstonspartan
12-06-2013, 11:27 AM
Love how McNair is still talking about how this team was supposed to be a Super Bowl winning team, he's part of the problem with that kind of talk.

100 percent agree.

bash
12-06-2013, 11:27 AM
Who is the top candidates IMO you think mcnair brings in?

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:28 AM
I'm very disappointed that Gary will no longer be with us. I hade high hopes that Gary would remain with the Texans until his retirement.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Smith "We haven't been productive over the last 11 weeks and we have to find out why."

Smith "We've got to right the ship. We've got to move forward. We have 3 more games to evaluate every player, coach and process."

Rick Smith "We've been together almost 18 years, and there's a lot of history with Gary. I have tremendous respect for him."

McNair (meeting) "was difficult for me cause I think so much of Gary. We're thankful for the job he's done for us."

McNair "The last straw was losing. We've got a lot more talent than Jacksonville, but they played better and smarter."

McNair "We'll give Wade an opportunity to interview for the position as well as a number of other people."

McNair said records show def coordinators are more successful than off coordinators "but not by much."

McNair "It's based more on the individual. We're looking for a coach who's bright, ethical, innovation and is able to make adjustments."

McNair "We've got to turn this around. We want a winning culture. Our goal is to win last 3 games. We're going to do everything to win."

McNair "Gary helped us win 2 division titles. He put everything into it. It's disappointing he's not going to be with us in the future."

McNair "We're disappointing and shocked by what's happen. Our fans are disappointed. I want to thank Gary. He brought team to new level."

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:30 AM
not encouraged that we are keeping Rick Smith...McNair still doesn't get it.

Mr. White
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
"Evaluation" and "process" are the two words I hate to hear most as a Texans fan.

Rey
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
McNair sounded upset that Schaub was brought in.

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
Fish? Huh?

hehe...

http://www.socialbookshelves.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish.jpg

It's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :)

http://allymalinenko.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dont-panic.jpg

Runner
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
not encouraged that we are keeping Rick Smith...McNair still doesn't get it.

You got that right.

JCTexan
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
lol Bob Mcnair was asked if it was up to Wade Philips if Keenum was the starter. Mcnair said "No, Keenum will be the starter."

Mr. White
12-06-2013, 11:32 AM
Does anyone besides McClain get to ask questions at these things?

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:32 AM
Bob now making football decisions by announcing Keenum will start. Pseudo-GM Rick Smith should be doing this

bash
12-06-2013, 11:32 AM
any tweets from any players yet?

Bleed_Blu_Red
12-06-2013, 11:32 AM
Hopefully the Texans go after Mike Zimmer,Vic Fangio or Darrell Bevell.

TexansSeminole
12-06-2013, 11:33 AM
Bob now making football decisions by announcing Keenum will start. Pseudo-GM Rick Smith should be doing this

Maybe he is going to use Rick for free (already paid for) advice until end of season, then get rid of him?

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:35 AM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26
Bob McNair: "This is not a long-term rebuilding process. I want to make that clear." McNair expects to be back in the playoffs next season.

Texans owner Bob McNair on 11-game losing streak: "It's been horrible. It's been a nightmare."

Bob McNair said Case Keenum is the starting quarterback & the Texans will see how he performs. McNair said the jury is still out on Keenum.

Texans owner Bob McNair said he would like to replace Gary Kubiak with someone who has head coaching experience & experience in the NFL.

Note that McNair is doing all the talking, very little from Rick Smith.

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 11:35 AM
Bob now making football decisions by announcing Keenum will start. Pseudo-GM Rick Smith should be doing this

I hope the obsession with Keenum is temporary. It's not too often a franchise goes through the sewage of a two win season, so they have to maximize the opportunity of a top 3 draft pick.

Hope Rick Smith doesn't try to get cute with it and out-think himself by picking up a DT.

Thorn
12-06-2013, 11:35 AM
I agree with the comments that Kubiak is a good man, but a poor coach. Not surprised at this, it had to happen.

bash
12-06-2013, 11:36 AM
Wade was a "good man, but poor coach" in Dallas. Wonder if any of that rubbed off.....

2012Champs
12-06-2013, 11:43 AM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26


Note that McNair is doing all the talking, very little from Rick Smith.



If Case is the guy next year a lot will have to change to get us to the playofffs

texanhead08
12-06-2013, 11:44 AM
Kubiak pulled a Craig and got fired on his day off.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:45 AM
Bob now making football decisions by announcing Keenum will start. Pseudo-GM Rick Smith should be doing this

Maybe he is going to use Rick for free (already paid for) advice until end of season, then get rid of him?

I hope the obsession with Keenum is temporary. It's not too often a franchise goes through the sewage of a two win season, so they have to maximize the opportunity of a top 3 draft pick.

Hope Rick Smith doesn't try to get cute with it and out-think himself by picking up a DT.

I'd respect McNair more if he said I have a GM and he will make the football decisions. That presser was nutty.

CretorFrigg
12-06-2013, 11:46 AM
I hope the obsession with Keenum is temporary. It's not too often a franchise goes through the sewage of a two win season, so they have to maximize the opportunity of a top 3 draft pick.

Hope Rick Smith doesn't try to get cute with it and out-think himself by picking up a DT.

I hope Rick Smith gets fired.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 11:46 AM
Herm Edwards on ESPN: Listen, this is all about the Quarterback in this league. You need a guy(coach) who can develop a young Quarterback... and you just fired one of those guys. I don't know...

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 11:49 AM
I hope Rick Smith gets fired.

I do, too.

Just remember that McNair kept Casserly as GM after he fired Capers to help him through the draft. He hired Smith after the Mario Williams draft, so there is no telling what McNair could do this time around.

Mr teX
12-06-2013, 11:51 AM
I hope the obsession with Keenum is temporary. It's not too often a franchise goes through the sewage of a two win season, so they have to maximize the opportunity of a top 3 draft pick.

Hope Rick Smith doesn't try to get cute with it and out-think himself by picking up a DT.

I hope we don't hire our next head coach with the same provisions that Kubiak had..i.e. "Do you think you can turn Keenum into a starting qb?"

Double Barrel
12-06-2013, 11:57 AM
I hope we don't hire our next head coach with the same provisions that Kubiak had..i.e. "Do you think you can turn Keenum into a starting qb?"

My thoughts, as well. I hope he learned that lesson the first time around. Let the coaches evaluate the talent and make the best decisions for the football team. Personal feelings/attachments should be irrelevant in such analysis and decisions.

Keenum has three more games to prove that he deserves an invite, but it would be foolish to make a decision this season that he's the franchise QB of the future.

JCTexan
12-06-2013, 11:57 AM
Herm Edwards on ESPN: Listen, this is all about the Quarterback in this league. You need a guy(coach) who can develop a young Quarterback... and you just fired one of those guys. I don't know...

I call bull**** on that. Kubiak has had eight years to develop a young QB on this team and he doesn't have confidence in either Keenum or Yates.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 11:59 AM
I call bull**** on that. Kubiak has had eight years to develop a young QB on this team and he doesn't have confidence in either Keenum or Yates.those QB's were missing wide open wr's, hot reads, and throwing into coverage once the script busts.

JCTexan
12-06-2013, 12:09 PM
those QB's were missing wide open wr's, hot reads, and throwing into coverage once the script busts.

I agree, which is why I would say Keenum is not developed yet. I don't care if Kubiak is labeled a "QB guru", he hasn't developed one QB in eight years with this organization.

DexmanC
12-06-2013, 12:32 PM
those QB's were missing wide open wr's, hot reads, and throwing into coverage once the script busts.

Scripts and rote memorization shut down dynamic thinking. A well-developed QB can read a situation and make adjustments in the heat of a play. The script, and direct reality, often disagree with each other.

The Pencil Neck
12-06-2013, 12:35 PM
I agree, which is why I would say Keenum is not developed yet. I don't care if Kubiak is labeled a "QB guru", he hasn't developed one QB in eight years with this organization.

Well. He did develop Schaub and Schaub, prior to the Haynesworth injury, was pretty damned good.

BUT.

He's had several opportunities with other QBs and hasn't had a lot of luck with them: Leinart, Clemons, TJ, Brink, Orlovsky, Case.

silvrhand
12-06-2013, 12:38 PM
Scripts and rote memorization shut down dynamic thinking. A well-developed QB can read a situation and make adjustments in the heat of a play. The script, and direct reality, often disagree with each other.

Hmm not sure you call route memorization non dynamic.. Timing is everything for the QB and receivers, and you have to be on the same page so you know where your receiver is going and how far, and when he's going to break.

Dynamic play, you mean being well rehearesed and see the same reads as your QB, and working together as a team..

Running figure 8's behind the line of scrimmage and throwing deep will only get you so far..

HoustonFrog
12-06-2013, 12:39 PM
The line quoted that at lest gives you some hope that it isn't a retread that maybe can do it

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 54m
McNair "Past performance indicates future performance. If you haven't performed in past, odds are you're not going to perform in future."

As almost all here know I'm a Cowboy fan that wanted to support the Texans...from afar now..like I did the Oilers..as my secondary team. I never could do it with Kubiak because I never liked him as a HC. Too much b.s. and patience for my book. He was the David Carr of coaches with slighly more production. At this point I really hope McNair goes all out and brings in a stud that makes the team one that stays tough and competitive for awhile vs. some b.s. 10 year plan.

houstonspartan
12-06-2013, 12:41 PM
I call bull**** on that. Kubiak has had eight years to develop a young QB on this team and he doesn't have confidence in either Keenum or Yates.

I'll take that one step further: name ONE QB that Gary Kubiak has ever developed? ONE.

The guy's entire career has been built on the backs of John Elway and Steve Young. He did not "develop" those guys; they were rare talents.

Because of their success, Kubiak has gotten the label of "QB guru."

It's nonsense.

Enough already.

houstonspartan
12-06-2013, 12:50 PM
Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26


Note that McNair is doing all the talking, very little from Rick Smith.

In fairness, we haven't heard from Bob McNair in almost three months. His silence was deafening. It was time for him to step up and show some true leadership. So, him doing most of the talking makes sense.

Moving forward, I'm guessing we'll see Rick Smith become front and center more and more.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 12:59 PM
The line quoted that at lest gives you some hope that it isn't a retread that maybe can do it



As almost all here know I'm a Cowboy fan that wanted to support the Texans...from afar now..like I did the Oilers..as my secondary team. I never could do it with Kubiak because I never liked him as a HC. Too much b.s. and patience for my book. He was the David Carr of coaches with slighly more production. At this point I really hope McNair goes all out and brings in a stud that makes the team one that stays tough and competitive for awhile vs. some b.s. 10 year plan.
why wouldn't your GM pick the coach and do the talking about the football side of the organization since he is supposed to be the one with all the football acumen? I think the presser was very troubling. McNair has yet to prove he can make good hires on the football side. Marketing? McNair is a genius. Football? not so much.

HoustonFrog
12-06-2013, 01:03 PM
why wouldn't your GM pick the coach and do the talking about the football side of the organization since he is supposed to be the one with all the football acumen? I think the presser was very troubling. McNair has yet to prove he can make good hires on the football side. Marketing? McNair is a genius. Football? not so much.

You may be right and that is what troubles me about Lovie. I think he'll go straight to him but in my book you're getting the same style as Kubiak with Lovie...nice guy, players love him, conservative. He has proven to be a better coach no doubt but do you really want the same type guy. I'm a big believer in changing coaching philosophies even if you keep similar styles of play. Some players respond better. Things get stale.

Mr teX
12-06-2013, 01:06 PM
In fairness, we haven't heard from Bob McNair in almost three months. His silence was deafening. It was time for him to step up and show some true leadership. So, him doing most of the talking makes sense.

Moving forward, I'm guessing we'll see Rick Smith become front and center more and more.

I can agree with this...Rick was brought in by Gary & it was probably awkward for Smith to command the kind of respect he needs to around the organization with him knowing that Gary's the only reason he's here in the 1st place....with everyone knowing that they can just go over his head & talk with Gary about things....if only in the figurative sense.

If he is truly the only survivor of this era, Smith moving more & more front & center could be a good thing. He'll get the chance to bring his guys in & be the only voice in the draft room that matters.

TexansFTW
12-06-2013, 01:12 PM
Wait, why is everyone talking like Rick Smith is safe?

I'm pretty sure he WAS Gary Kubiak's puppet.

Hand picked by Kubiak, told when to jump, but Smith was able to choose how high.

Kubiak said "Get me Ed Reed". Rick Smith chose to fly out a private jet.

Rick Smith is a loser too. Sorry bro, you're the puppet and you need to beat it as well.

Has anyone noticed our last 5 years of draft picks? Borderline disgusting! Anyone can win in the first round with a top 15 pick, real organizations win big later in the draft. You can blame scouts and coaches all you want, but in most organizations it's the GM stamp that is final on draft picks. For that, he needs to see the door just the same.

Rey
12-06-2013, 01:12 PM
I do not want Lovie. He is kubiak 2.0.

HOU-TEX
12-06-2013, 01:14 PM
I do not want Lovie. He is kubiak 2.0.

Agreed! The defensive version

TexansFTW
12-06-2013, 01:16 PM
Oh yeah, doesn't Lovie Smith ONLY run a 4-3 defense and made his name in the NFL as a DC? I'm totally cool w/ firing Wade, but you've got the reigning defensive player of the year on this team that has only worked a 3-4.

The change won't be immense, but there is a chance you lose some of what we all love about Watt with that change.

DCs are replaceable, defensive player's of the year are not.

Do NOT mess up Watt's mojo.

Vinny
12-06-2013, 01:19 PM
Oh yeah, doesn't Lovie Smith ONLY run a 4-3 defense and made his name in the NFL as a DC? I'm totally cool w/ firing Wade, but you've got the reigning defensive player of the year on this team that has only worked a 3-4.

The change won't be immense, but there is a chance you lose some of what we all love about Watt with that change.

DCs are replaceable, defensive player's of the year are not.

Do NOT mess up Watt's mojo.
Lovie is a disciple of the Monte Kiffin Tampa2 scheme. Total opposite of the man cover thing we do. It's a flexible cover 3 base. Watt would be the Warren Sapp in this scheme.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 01:51 PM
In fairness, we haven't heard from Bob McNair in almost three months. His silence was deafening. It was time for him to step up and show some true leadership. So, him doing most of the talking makes sense.

Moving forward, I'm guessing we'll see Rick Smith become front and center more and more.
Outside of Jerry Jones, it's pretty darned unusual for an owner to name the starting QB going forward. McNair has almost always referred those questions over to Rick or Gary when they're together at the podium.

My opinion is Bob was angry, and that he & Gary got into it a bit when Bob gave him the news. But it just shows something when the owner is answering GM/HC questions when the GM is right there.

Thorn
12-06-2013, 02:19 PM
I think a fed up McNair decided to let off some steam and show who's really in charge.

Brisco_County
12-06-2013, 03:51 PM
Herm Edwards on ESPN: Listen, this is all about the Quarterback in this league. You need a guy(coach) who can develop a young Quarterback... and you just fired one of those guys. I don't know...

We also need a coach who can do many other things that Kubiak was lacking.

Playoffs
12-06-2013, 04:07 PM
On Rick Smith's future, this guy says...

John Granato ‏@johngranato
@StephStradley He stays. He's been in Bob's ear telling him that a lot of his bad picks were Gary's choices like Keymart over T.Y. Hilton

bOODRO87
12-06-2013, 04:14 PM
On Rick Smith's future, this guy says...

John Granato ‏@johngranato

Did we really pick Keshawn over T.Y.?

*Brain melting*

WolverineFan
12-06-2013, 04:24 PM
Did we really pick Keshawn over T.Y.?

*Brain melting*

Hilton was already off the board by the time we picked Keshawn. I hated that pick so much though btw. Keshawn wasn't even the best WR on his college team and we used a 4th on him. I was a big fan of Hilton and also pushed for Marvin Jones all off-season, but the Bengals stole him in the 5th round.

We picked Posey ahead of Hilton and Mohamed Sanu fwiw.

HOU-TEX
12-06-2013, 04:25 PM
I just re-watched the presser and I can't figure out why none of these "reporters" never asked anything concerning GM and decisions made in the past. No questions asking who the hell wanted to bring Ed here, nothing.

Was it a pre-requisite not to ask such questions before the presser?

Mr. White
12-06-2013, 05:55 PM
I just re-watched the presser and I can't figure out why none of these "reporters" never asked anything concerning GM and decisions made in the past. No questions asking who the hell wanted to bring Ed here, nothing.

Was it a pre-requisite not to ask such questions before the presser?

I just re-watched it as well.

I think the presser took everybody by surprise. They also didn't give a lot of time for questions.

Having watched it again, it seems pretty clear that McNair wants to change as little as possible while gearing up for another playoff run. Sounds like he wants to do like Tampa Bay did when they hired Gruden.

tvaughan
12-06-2013, 06:03 PM
Hilton was already off the board by the time we picked Keshawn. I hated that pick so much though btw. Keshawn wasn't even the best WR on his college team and we used a 4th on him. .

Being off the board isn't the point. If they valued Keshawn in the 4th round more than they did Hilton in the 3rd than they used the 3rd to address something else.

In the end, they did pick Posey while Hilton was still on the board, I think.

dtran04
12-06-2013, 06:14 PM
LZ was on the radio (here in S.A.) and stated that Rick Smith had a battle regarding Molden years back. He and a defensive coach couldn't agree and that Kubiak stepped in and told Rick to pick Molden for that coach.

That story alone shows that Rick Smith did not have the final say in drafts.

However, from now on, it seems like it will be his responsiblity and neck on the line.

drs23
12-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Gary is a class act, he has always acted with class while he is here, I hope for the sake of sanity that he gets a bit of class from the media.

I wish it would have worked out for him here, but it didn't maybe a reset for him will do well, get his health right, some time away, and take some time to come up with a new system.

Good luck Gary!

'Bout time for some avatar changes around here, eh?

CretorFrigg
12-06-2013, 06:19 PM
'Bout time for some avatar changes around here, eh?

Keep it for Rick Smith. Dude NEEDS TO GO. I keep saying it because I'm pissed he still has a job with the Texans. I want this whole regime gone.

drs23
12-06-2013, 06:28 PM
My thoughts, as well. I hope he learned that lesson the first time around. Let the coaches evaluate the talent and make the best decisions for the football team. Personal feelings/attachments should be irrelevant in such analysis and decisions.

Keenum has three more games to prove that he deserves an invite, but it would be foolish to make a decision this season that he's the franchise QB of the future.

I hope it's just me but I felt that same thought ringing in my ears. Please NO!

Hervoyel
12-06-2013, 06:38 PM
I'd respect McNair more if he said I have a GM and he will make the football decisions. That presser was nutty.

This tells me that Rick Smith has never made any football decisions and McNair probably is thinking "Why start doing that now". Rick Smith is the GM version of "Just A Guy". He did what Gary told him to do before (with Bob's blessing) and now he's going to do what Bob tells him to do until a new head coach is brought in.

At that time we'll see what kind of relationship Rick has with his owner and with his head coach going forward.

It's damn strange indeed Vinny.

Exascor
12-06-2013, 10:20 PM
I just re-watched the presser and I can't figure out why none of these "reporters" never asked anything concerning GM and decisions made in the past. No questions asking who the hell wanted to bring Ed here, nothing.

Was it a pre-requisite not to ask such questions before the presser?
The presser was about Kubiak not Smith. I'm sure the reporters were told that. There was a question about the draft and offseason which was quickly shot down by Smith shifting it right back to coaching. Just what makes sense in my screwed up brain.

The Pencil Neck
12-06-2013, 11:48 PM
The presser was about Kubiak not Smith. I'm sure the reporters were told that. There was a question about the draft and offseason which was quickly shot down by Smith shifting it right back to coaching. Just what makes sense in my screwed up brain.

I had tuned over to the site before the press conference started. They had the camera on along with the mic and you could hear some of the reporters talking prior to the press conference starting. They didn't know what was going on. They were speculating if Kubiak was going to get fired because no one showed up on time and apparently, the Texans FO has a reputation for being punctual.

So I don't think the lack of questions about Smith was because they'd been told to concentrate on Kubiak beforehand.

cstyle42
12-07-2013, 02:02 PM
This tells me that Rick Smith has never made any football decisions and McNair probably is thinking "Why start doing that now". Rick Smith is the GM version of "Just A Guy". He did what Gary told him to do before (with Bob's blessing) and now he's going to do what Bob tells him to do until a new head coach is brought in.

At that time we'll see what kind of relationship Rick has with his owner and with his head coach going forward.

It's damn strange indeed Vinny.

Nothing strange about it when you accept the truth that Texans are nothing more than a good ol boy system. Nobody has balls to step up.

drs23
12-08-2013, 07:10 PM
Nothing strange about it when you accept the truth that Texans are nothing more than a good ol boy system. Nobody has balls to step up.

Would you agree that change may be in the future?

houstonspartan
12-09-2013, 02:51 AM
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Hervoyel
12-09-2013, 09:38 AM
We also need a coach who can do many other things that Kubiak was lacking.

Herm Edwards is just another guy who can't do what we fired Gary Kubiak for not being able to do. They are coordinators, not head coaches. Edwards probably doesn't recognize that limitation in Gary for the same reasons why he wouldn't be able to see it in himself. What he says in this particular situation is utterly meaningless.

cstyle42
12-09-2013, 09:44 AM
Would you agree that change may be in the future?

Yes if they hire a new GM or let Rick Smith be held accountable for his own decisions from this point forward. I hate systems that have guys in positions just to say yes sir and no sir... grow some balls!!!

steelbtexan
12-09-2013, 09:55 AM
In fairness, we haven't heard from Bob McNair in almost three months. His silence was deafening. It was time for him to step up and show some true leadership. So, him doing most of the talking makes sense.

Moving forward, I'm guessing we'll see Rick Smith become front and center more and more.

Understood about BoB. He took the lead as the owner and rightfully so.

I dread the day Rick Smith becomes the front man for this franchis, or has anything to do with personel decisions. It will take another decade to recover from the damage he will have done.

If Gary had it to do over do you think he would've hired Rick as GM?

Hervoyel
12-09-2013, 10:20 AM
You know, Capers was fired at the end of the season and then Casserly hung around for quite some time before he was also eventually replaced. It's possible that this same thing could play out with Rick Smith. Possible is all I'm saying, not likely.

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 10:44 AM
You know, Capers was fired at the end of the season and then Casserly hung around for quite some time before he was also eventually replaced. It's possible that this same thing could play out with Rick Smith. Possible is all I'm saying, not likely.

It's understandable that fans of other teams wouldn't think about that possibility but you would think Texans fans would remember.

TexansFTW
12-09-2013, 11:08 AM
Understood about BoB. He took the lead as the owner and rightfully so.

I dread the day Rick Smith becomes the front man for this franchis, or has anything to do with personel decisions. It will take another decade to recover from the damage he will have done.

If Gary had it to do over do you think he would've hired Rick as GM?

No. Rick Smith was his puppet. He likely never had any issue with him, but as these final days came and are now gone you see Rick Smith for what he is. He's a snake.

Gary is an idiot, but there is a reason everyone respects him. He owns everything. Rick Smith didn't own a thing and tried to shove everything on Gary.

Granted, a lot of it probably was Gary, but in most franchises it's the GM that needs to stand on the table at the end of the day and say "Hell no, this is stupid and I don't want to get fired for this decision". That is their job! They are the final Quality Control point. When the first round pick comes through and Gary says let's go with Mercilus, it's Rick Smith's job to say "No you idiot! We need Alshon Jeffrey".

It's hard to say that he doesn't know what he's doing at the same token though because he's never had a voice, I guess we will see what he's truly made of these coming months.

You know, Capers was fired at the end of the season and then Casserly hung around for quite some time before he was also eventually replaced. It's possible that this same thing could play out with Rick Smith. Possible is all I'm saying, not likely.

Great point. I wouldn't be surprised if Bob believes that the HC should be one that chooses the GM position. Therefore, I'm not gonna be shocked at all if Rick helps Bob find a new HC, then the HC tells Bob that he'd prefer to have his own guy's in the FO and they release Rick Smith and bring in their own guy... thus perpetuating the cycle of the "yes, man" GM.

Dutchrudder
12-09-2013, 12:19 PM
On Rick Smith's future, this guy says...

John Granato ‏@johngranato

@StephStradley He stays. He's been in Bob's ear telling him that a lot of his bad picks were Gary's choices like Keymart over T.Y. Hilton

This reminds me of a story...

On October 14, 1964, after being deposed by his rivals at a Central Committee meeting, primarily for being an "international embarrassment," Nikita Khrushchev, who until only moments earlier was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, sat down in his office and wrote two letters.

Later, his successor, Leonid Brezhnev, upon taking office found the two letters and a note Khrushchev had attached:

"To my successor: When you find yourself in a hopeless situation which you cannot escape, open the first letter, and it will save you. Later, when you again find yourself in a hopeless situation from which you cannot escape, open the second letter."


And soon enough, Brezhnev found himself in a situation which he couldn't get himself out of, and in desperation he tore open the first letter. It said simply, "Blame it all on me." This Brezhnev did, blaming Khrushchev for the latest problems, and it worked like a miracle, saving him and extending his career. However, in due time Brezhnev found himself in another disaster from which he could not extricate himself. Without despairing he eagerly searched his office and found the second letter, which he tore open desperate for its words of salvation. It read thus:

"Sit down, and write two letters."

I don't know what Rick has told Bob, but he's the first officer of this sinking ship, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to keep his job. Blaming Gary will only get him so far, next year I think he will need to open that second letter.

Playoffs
12-09-2013, 02:25 PM
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/wp-content/blogs.dir/2348/files/2013/11/WADE.PHILLIPS-306x203.jpg

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
"I can go into all the stats, nobody wants to hear those. ... I think I have a lot to offer as a head coach," Phillips says. #Texans

I asked if Rick Dennison will call plays. Wade Phillips said he'll meet with him today to discuss that. I take that as maybe not. #Texans

"Oh, he's already been given that message. He knows that message," Phillips on Swearinger, looking displeased. #Texans

"That was a team decision," Phillips on firing Joe Marciano. #Texans

"They fire good coaches, too," Phillips says. #Texans

"It affects you personally, certainly. We've been great friends. I appreciate him hiring me here." Phillips says on Kubiak's firing. #Texans
James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
"I would never say that ... because then they wouldn't hire me as a HC" - Phillips after being asked if he wants to return next year as DC.

Wade Phillips called the #Texans a team that is tight.

Wade Phillips said he is going to put more influence on the offensive side of the ball and will delegate some duties on the D side. #Texans

Changes have already started to take place with the special teams according to Wade Phillips. #Texans
Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro
"I don't know. Sitting on the bench I guess." Phillips on how T.J. Yates got his back injury.http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e316/Soizic22/a%20smilie/laugh-1.gif

WolverineFan
12-09-2013, 02:29 PM
I love his comment about Yates.

Wade probably sees a lot of the deficiencies on this team that Gary ignored. He will address these and will do everything in his power to win the HC job in these next 3 games.

infantrycak
12-09-2013, 02:37 PM
I love his comment about Yates.

Wade probably sees a lot of the deficiencies on this team that Gary ignored. He will address these and will do everything in his power to win the HC job in these next 3 games.

And if he does get the job, folks who didn't want him as HC should be regretting it if they wanted Kubiak ditched during the season.

Thorn
12-09-2013, 02:39 PM
Wade can be as loveable as his dad, so watch out him putting a spell on you. He'll smooth talk the media and have them and us waiting for his next quotable quote. Don't be fooled.

WolverineFan
12-09-2013, 02:39 PM
And if he does get the job, folks who didn't want him as HC should be regretting it if they wanted Kubiak ditched during the season.

Exactly. I wanted Kubiak ditched.....after the season. Did not want Wade getting a multi-game interview for McNair. All he has to do is beat the Colts in Indy for the first time in franchise history and Bob will throw his buddy a rope and give him the job.

santo
12-09-2013, 03:00 PM
Exactly. I wanted Kubiak ditched.....after the season. Did not want Wade getting a multi-game interview for McNair. All he has to do is beat the Colts in Indy for the first time in franchise history and Bob will throw his buddy a rope and give him the job.

And give him a 3 year extension. :rake:

TexansFTW
12-09-2013, 03:19 PM
I don't know what Rick has told Bob, but he's the first officer of this sinking ship, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to keep his job. Blaming Gary will only get him so far, next year I think he will need to open that second letter.

Great story and well said.

Exactly. I wanted Kubiak ditched.....after the season. Did not want Wade getting a multi-game interview for McNair. All he has to do is beat the Colts in Indy for the first time in franchise history and Bob will throw his buddy a rope and give him the job.

Yall are definitely right. I guess I just feared that there was a chance Kubiak could right the ship and he, himself, get those key victories down the stretch and somehow maintain his job even longer.

I was blinded by my hate, but now I see the real monster (Wade) was right here lurking and waiting the whole time...

Marcus
12-09-2013, 03:21 PM
I dunno. Sittin on the bench, I guess.

:spit:

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 03:29 PM
I was blinded by my hate, but now I see the real monster (Wade) was right here lurking and waiting the whole time...

Wade being our next HC has scared me from the moment he was hired.

santo
12-09-2013, 03:35 PM
If Wade makes Keenum look good, beats Indy, and keep it's close with Denver or beats them, McNair could probably give him the job. :kubepalm:

Thorn
12-09-2013, 04:10 PM
If Wade makes Keenum look good, beats Indy, and keep it's close with Denver or beats them, McNair could probably give him the job. :kubepalm:

Let's just say it happens that Keenum all of a sudden starts kicking serious ass, why wouldn't an owner like to keep that? Yeah, it's a very scary thought Wade as our head coach. He's just another Kubiak, but different and more likeable.

drs23
12-09-2013, 05:24 PM
Wade being our next HC has scared me from the moment he was hired.

Yeah, there's an old thread floating around somewhere expressing just that.

Please Bob, JUST SAY NO!

Mr. White
12-09-2013, 09:21 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

I asked if Rick Dennison will call plays. Wade Phillips said he'll meet with him today to discuss that. I take that as maybe not. #Texans

I'm a little puzzled by this comment. If Dennison doesn't call the plays, does that mean Wade's gonna do it?

If he does, then no one has to worry about him being back at HC, DC, or equipment manager.

Texan_Bill
12-09-2013, 09:32 PM
Meh..... While Wade does have a bad playoff record, the fact is that he has been successful in terms of wins & losses as a head coach.

There is a lot of talent on this team, albeit a lot of it on IR.

Bottom line, I'd be okay with McNair giving Wade a shot, albeit it with a much shorter leash than he gave Kubes.

JB
12-09-2013, 09:47 PM
Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli

I asked if Rick Dennison will call plays. Wade Phillips said he'll meet with him today to discuss that. I take that as maybe not. #Texans

I'm a little puzzled by this comment. If Dennison doesn't call the plays, does that mean Wade's gonna do it?

If he does, then no one has to worry about him being back at HC, DC, or equipment manager.

I'm taking that as he's gonna let Dennison know to stop calling Kubiak plays... like pick 6's

The Pencil Neck
12-09-2013, 10:53 PM
They're going to let Case call his own plays. :kitten:

Mr. White
12-10-2013, 06:53 AM
Meh..... While Wade does have a bad playoff record, the fact is that he has been successful in terms of wins & losses as a head coach.

There is a lot of talent on this team, albeit a lot of it on IR.

Bottom line, I'd be okay with McNair giving Wade a shot, albeit it with a much shorter leash than he gave Kubes.

I'm with you. If we're stuck with Rick for 3 more years, then I wouldn't be opposed to Wade getting the same amount of rope.