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PapaL
12-03-2013, 10:24 AM
What say you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24319478/texans-security-guards-fired-for-taking-photo-with-tom-brady

Two security guards working Sunday's Patriots-Texans game at Reliant Stadium say they were fired after taking a picture with quarterback Tom Brady following New England's 34-31 victory.

“When you are at your post and you're doing your job, you're not supposed to take pictures with anybody because your job is to secure that area,” Joel Williams told KHOU.com on Monday.

“I said, ‘Hey Tom Brady, good job, good game man.' He looked at me and smiled,” Williams said. “He was very polite, very nice guy, humble. Sometimes I see players and say hello, and they just keep walking.”

Brady and Williams took a photo together and that's when things took a turn for the worst.

“Immediately after I took the picture, I got ran down by a supervisor,” Williams said. “They didn't' really give a reason, they said you know you're wrong and you're fired."

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 10:26 AM
Wow, I don't see the big deal, but obviously security guard supervisor does. idonno:

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 10:29 AM
They were employees of Contemporary Services Corporation (http://www.csc-usa.com/home/), not the Texans.

“It is strictly against CSC policy for its employees to request photos or autographs from players,” CSC told KHOU 11 in a statement. “CSC stands by its decision to terminate the two employees who violated this policy.”

They knew the policy, rolled the dice, and will now probably sue CSC. Good luck to them.

disaacks3
12-03-2013, 10:32 AM
They were employees of Contemporary Services Corporation (http://www.csc-usa.com/home/), not the Texans.



They knew the policy, rolled the dice, and will now probably sue CSC. Good luck to them. Does the policy apply when you're off-the-clock? That'll be a big question either at their unemployment hearing, or for McNair to consider. (If he calls CSC, they'd capitulate)

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 10:32 AM
They were employees of Contemporary Services Corporation (http://www.csc-usa.com/home/), not the Texans.



They knew the policy, rolled the dice, and will now probably sue CSC. Good luck to them.

I understand that, but dude claims he was off duty.

For his part, Williams says he didn't break any rules because he had finished his shift.

chicagotexan2
12-03-2013, 10:37 AM
Did they post the pics online? Why? If so, then that was dumb.

YeaLikeRightNow
12-03-2013, 10:39 AM
Maybe the supervisors thought they were trading spy photos! :evil:

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 10:54 AM
I understand that, but dude claims he was off duty.Title says "Texans", just clarifying.

How did they get access to Brady? If they were in a secured area they used their position to get star-shots. If they ran into Tom on the streets, no biggie. I'm sure some smart lawyer will take a third of their action.

DBCooper
12-03-2013, 11:02 AM
Does the policy apply when you're off-the-clock? That'll be a big question either at their unemployment hearing, or for McNair to consider. (If he calls CSC, they'd capitulate)

My employee handbook says that if I am still in uniform, even when off duty, I am representing.

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 11:13 AM
Title says "Texans", just clarifying.

How did they get access to Brady? If they were in a secured area they used their position to get star-shots. If they ran into Tom on the streets, no biggie. I'm sure some smart lawyer will take a third of their action.

My employee handbook says that if I am still in uniform, even when off duty, I am representing.

ahhh, both good points. I don't have a dog in this hunt, so hope his picture with Brady was worth it. :photos:

DX-TEX
12-03-2013, 11:31 AM
Was Schaub working the camera?

texanhead08
12-03-2013, 11:34 AM
You are held accountable as long as you aren't a player, coach, or gm.

PapaL
12-03-2013, 11:37 AM
Did they post the pics online? Why? If so, then that was dumb.

According to the article, they were fired on the spot. The pictures became public after the fact.

http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/guard-texans-brady-fired.jpg

Guy in the picture said his shift was over.

Who knows...

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 11:45 AM
Guy in the picture said his shift was over...

Forgot to take his name tag off?

PapaL
12-03-2013, 11:50 AM
Forgot to take his name tag off?

I wear my lanyard at lunch and in the car. Doesn't mean I'm at work or on shift.

disaacks3
12-03-2013, 11:52 AM
My employee handbook says that if I am still in uniform, even when off duty, I am representing. True, but that's historically been non-enforceable when there is no foreseeable harm in the employee action.

Good guidelines from a law firm at the Link (http://www.davis.ca/uploads/publications/employee-off-duty-conduct-as-cause-for-termination_en.pdf)

I'm fully with CSC (and their policies) during the paid shift hours. I'm also cognizant of the fact that due to their positions, these officers had access unavailable to the general public. That said, it's not their fault that they don't sign out from their shift in an unsecured area.

Honoring Earl 34
12-03-2013, 11:55 AM
Another sad story in the 2013 season .

Mr teX
12-03-2013, 11:58 AM
True, but that's historically been non-enforceable when there is no foreseeable harm in the employee action.

Good guidelines from a law firm at the Link (http://www.davis.ca/uploads/publications/employee-off-duty-conduct-as-cause-for-termination_en.pdf)

I'm fully with CSC (and their policies) during the paid shift hours. I'm also cognizant of the fact that due to their positions, these officers had access unavailable to the general public. That said, it's not their fault that they don't sign out from their shift in an unsecured area.

True, but i worked for the astros in their retail store for a little bit & we got the same speech. If players came into the store, no taking pics or asking for autographs & crap like that....mostly it was about bothering the players & or causing a scene with other fans...but it was also for authentication purposes and things of that nature.

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:09 PM
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.

eriadoc
12-03-2013, 12:13 PM
http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/guard-texans-brady-fired.jpg

That guy needs smaller shoulders.

Exascor
12-03-2013, 12:14 PM
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.Did you read anything in this thread at all before you posted? This wasn't anything to do with the Texans FO other than they had input in what company they hired.

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:24 PM
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.


Well it seems you can't read

Mr. White
12-03-2013, 12:25 PM
I really don't see why this is that much of a story, but then again, everything is a story this year if the Texans are even remotely involved.

If the security staff don't have the presence of mind to leave these guys alone, then the company is well within their rights to institute a policy. These guys are at work. It's not like these guys are seeing Tom Brady at a bar when they're off-duty. Then, he's fair game IMO. Good luck getting to him.

If they haven't been enforcing the policy, then the Texans should find another company to provide security. Seems to me that this could be considered a breach of contract.

Speaking of legalese, Texas is an "at-will" state anyway, so he could have gotten fired because his shoes didn't match his belt. Also, if this guy was in fact off-duty, then he should have taken off his badge. Then he's just a short guy in a blue suit.

I'll be surprised if anything comes of this.

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:26 PM
Did you read anything in this thread at all before you posted? This wasn't anything to do with the Texans FO other than they had input in what company they hired.


yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:27 PM
True, but that's historically been non-enforceable when there is no foreseeable harm in the employee action.

Good guidelines from a law firm at the Link (http://www.davis.ca/uploads/publications/employee-off-duty-conduct-as-cause-for-termination_en.pdf)

I'm fully with CSC (and their policies) during the paid shift hours. I'm also cognizant of the fact that due to their positions, these officers had access unavailable to the general public. That said, it's not their fault that they don't sign out from their shift in an unsecured area.


One of the first slides say conduct outside of the workplace and this was not outside the workplace. Further I'd say if you employment is what gave you the access to Brady and your employer says not to do something you should probably avoid it at your place of work

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:28 PM
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.


These folks weren't employed or terminated by the texans smart guy.

Exascor
12-03-2013, 12:31 PM
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.You aren't "reading between the lines" you are making up facts based on nothing but misfiring brain cells.

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:35 PM
These folks weren't employed or terminated by the texans smart guy.

You aren't "reading between the lines" you are making up facts based on nothing but misfiring brain cells.

OMG are you people serious?

You dont think the team who employs the security guards dont have a say in matters?

:vincepalm::toropalm::mariopalm::kubepalm::wadepal m::facepalm:

Bulls on Parade
12-03-2013, 12:38 PM
If the Texans had won the game he wouldn't have been fired. :mariopalm:

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:39 PM
OMG are you people serious?

You dont think the team who employs the security guards dont have a say in matters?

:vincepalm::toropalm::mariopalm::kubepalm::wadepal m::facepalm:

A csc supervisor saw the event take place and terminated the employees on the spot. I'm sure the texans had no say in it. CSC provides the services for the rodeo and I'm sure their policy is the same for those entertainers and no the texans don't have a say if they term an employee


You aren't very bright

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:46 PM
A csc supervisor saw the event take place and terminated the employees on the spot. I'm sure the texans had no say in it. CSC provides the services for the rodeo and I'm sure their policy is the same for those entertainers and no the texans don't have a say if they term an employee


You aren't very bright

yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/state-farm-french-model.jpg

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:49 PM
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/state-farm-french-model.jpg

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:


You can't accurately measure any of the 3 things you listed. That said there must be a strong disconnect between your "book smarts" and real life. It's not about the newspaper or internet but more about common sense

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:50 PM
You can't accurately measure any of the 3 things you listed. That said there must be a strong disconnect between your "book smarts" and real life.


whatever you say loser i mean 2012champs.

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 12:51 PM
whatever you say loser i mean 2012champs.

Simple response from a great looking, successful, smart person

Lord Bills
12-03-2013, 12:55 PM
Simple response from a great looking, successful, smart person

that's just what we do.

Now carry on being matt schaub's official fan boy here on texan talk.

JB
12-03-2013, 12:57 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...

Exascor
12-03-2013, 01:01 PM
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:Is this you Mr Bill?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WFAa62UG2Uo/UH4NA00rfeI/AAAAAAAACJA/vSBWnfdJZyY/s1600/Tin+Hat+conspiracy.jpeg

Norg
12-03-2013, 01:03 PM
Another sad story in the 2013 season .

:kitten:

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 01:16 PM
that's just what we do.

Now carry on being matt schaub's official fan boy here on texan talk.



Delusion is a pretty scary thing

Playoffs
12-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...

Yep, Congress needs to toughen the laws against internet tough-guys.

Austrian
12-03-2013, 01:22 PM
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/state-farm-french-model.jpg

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:

You Sir are the definition of a moron.

Dutchrudder
12-03-2013, 01:28 PM
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/state-farm-french-model.jpg

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/GIFs/Rep/Soccer-Goalpost-Negged1.gif~original (http://s465.photobucket.com/user/themishkin/media/GIFs/Rep/Soccer-Goalpost-Negged1.gif.html)

HOU-TEX
12-03-2013, 01:33 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...

There sure is, JB. I'm not sure where some of them came from, but there are a handful of new one's that sure seem like they know all.

PapaL
12-03-2013, 01:34 PM
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Blitzer0101/Funn-Stuff/motivator-IBTL.jpg

disaacks3
12-03-2013, 01:38 PM
One of the first slides say conduct outside of the workplace and this was not outside the workplace. Further I'd say if you employment is what gave you the access to Brady and your employer says not to do something you should probably avoid it at your place of work You still need to show potential damage to your company or reputation as at least one was off the clock. If anything, I'll bet this ham-fisted move backfires and costs them $$$.

OMG are you people serious?

You dont think the team who employs the security guards dont have a say in matters?

:vincepalm::toropalm::mariopalm::kubepalm::wadepal m::facepalm: Fired on the spot? No. Could they have a hand going forward or on potential reinstatement? Yes.

badboy
12-03-2013, 01:41 PM
I wear my lanyard at lunch and in the car. Doesn't mean I'm at work or on shift.It might if you are smoking a doobie in you car with a underage hooker doing the up and down while she drinks from a bottle of Crown. I think anything portraying employer negatively could be grounds for discipline including termination. :kitten:

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 01:46 PM
You still need to show potential damage to your company or reputation as at least one was off the clock. If anything, I'll bet this ham-fisted move backfires and costs them $$$.

Fired on the spot? No. Could they have a hand going forward or on potential reinstatement? Yes.


I can't drink at work off the clock. Drinking on site is against company policy sure seems like a similar situation could apply for CSC. The CSC employees only had access to Brady through their CSCemployment and the fact that they were working at reliant that day. They used their employment status as a means to do something that broke company policy, I'm not sure that on the clock matters

PapaL
12-03-2013, 02:02 PM
It might if you are smoking a doobie in you car with a underage hooker doing the up and down while she drinks from a bottle of Crown. I think anything portraying employer negatively could be grounds for discipline including termination. :kitten:

I work for the Federal Government so I might get a promotion. :barman:

DBCooper
12-03-2013, 02:04 PM
I work for the Federal Government so I might get a promotion. :barman:

The "up and down", that's a dance, right?

infantrycak
12-03-2013, 02:11 PM
Folks, knock off the insults.

Thorn
12-03-2013, 03:17 PM
Folks, knock off the insults.

Aw, come on Cak. I was about to hand out tape measures so everyone could post their dick size.

HOU-TEX
12-03-2013, 03:22 PM
Aw, come on Cak. I was about to hand out tape measures so everyone could post their dick size.

Or a yard stick for some of us.....:fib

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:42 PM
Wow, I don't see the big deal, but obviously security guard supervisor does. idonno:

Your job is security. Not becoming distracted is key to doing the job. It is a big deal.

buddyboy
12-03-2013, 03:43 PM
Or a yard stick for some of us.....:fib

Bet my yardstick is longer, better looking, and more successful than your yardstick.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:43 PM
They were employees of Contemporary Services Corporation (http://www.csc-usa.com/home/), not the Texans.



They knew the policy, rolled the dice, and will now probably sue CSC. Good luck to them.

Good luck to CSC.

HOU-TEX
12-03-2013, 03:45 PM
Bet my yardstick is longer, better looking, and more successful than your yardstick.

Yeah, but mine is rigid and can spank the best of them

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:46 PM
I understand that, but dude claims he was off duty.

There is usually a restriction until you're out of uniform, not just finished with a shift.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:50 PM
I wear my lanyard at lunch and in the car. Doesn't mean I'm at work or on shift.

But are you restricted by policy from doing this? They were.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:53 PM
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.

I fully support their policy. If they want an autograph or picture, go to the appropriate venue.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:57 PM
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.

Sometimes you read what isn't there. This is not an unusual requirement for many companies, though some lesser punishment is common for a first offense.

michaelm
12-03-2013, 03:59 PM
another disgusting act by this texan front office.

I bet you anything if the texans won this game and they did the same thing, they would not have been fired. They were made a scapegoat just like the 3 guys who were smoking in the bathroom.

Total overreaction by the front office instituting once again, draconian zero tolerance policies.

Taking out your frustrations for your sorry season on security guards after taking it out on young players is a sad and pathetic act by this team.

http://rlv.zcache.com/no_connection_to_reality_tees-r8818b75dd3904828a1a0d752a2f391ed_804gs_324.jpg

Marshall
12-03-2013, 03:59 PM
yes i did. it also said their shift was finished. it also said that a lot of employees take photos with athletes and celebrities.

Do you always believe what you read?

You have to read between the lines and go through the BS and figure out stuff for yourselves. You have to learn how to sniff out BS garbage like "its company policy."

They were fired because the team was still angry over the loss and they see their own security guards taking pics with the guy who just kicked their asses and they got mad, took it out on lowly security guards and fired them.

Learn how to sniff out company line BS.

This is one of them.

SAD, VINDICTIVE, PATHETIC MOVE BY THIS FRANCHISE.

Let me read between the lines. YOU are mad at the Texans and would jump on their case for any reason, good or bad.

Isn't this the more likely scenario?

Marshall
12-03-2013, 04:03 PM
If the Texans had won the game he wouldn't have been fired. :mariopalm:

Are you Tonestrodamus? You've already confused the ESPN Heads who don't have a clue about the Texans inside joke because of Smiths reference to you.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 04:06 PM
yea keep believing everything you read.

Because if its in the newspaper or the internet it must be true right?

http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/state-farm-french-model.jpg

btw, im a pharmacy major and i own my own compounding comany.

I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.

:swatter:

LOL! Sounds like a Yankee. Ignorant AND arrogant.

By the way, comPany is spelled with a P and I'm has an apostrophe smart guy.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 04:15 PM
You still need to show potential damage to your company or reputation as at least one was off the clock. If anything, I'll bet this ham-fisted move backfires and costs them $$$.

Fired on the spot? No. Could they have a hand going forward or on potential reinstatement? Yes.

Having an employee using their security clearance to bug the athletes does negatively affect the security agency since the Texans would find it intolerable unless they pay a hefty premium for the privilege. They have autograph sessions for those things at the proper time.

Marshall
12-03-2013, 04:16 PM
I work for the Federal Government so I might get a promotion. :barman:

That is so true since 2009.

disaacks3
12-03-2013, 04:52 PM
Having an employee using their security clearance to bug the athletes does negatively affect the security agency since the Texans would find it intolerable unless they pay a hefty premium for the privilege. They have autograph sessions for those things at the proper time. You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.

Double Barrel
12-03-2013, 05:02 PM
There is usually a restriction until you're out of uniform, not just finished with a shift.

I take it that you did not bother to read the entire thread before replying to my initial post? You would have clearly seen my thought process come to the realization about company policy and ultimately having no problem with it. :)

drs23
12-03-2013, 05:14 PM
Bet my yardstick is longer, better looking, and more successful than your yardstick.

I see what you did there. ;^)

2012Champs
12-03-2013, 05:38 PM
You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.


Are you in labor law? You seem to be pretty sure of yourself but I'm not sure I agree with your opinion

Blake
12-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Folks, knock off the insults.

No, no, its ok. Lord Bills is a pharm major. And word on the street is that he is better looking than everyone too.

Showtime100
12-03-2013, 05:53 PM
I like this thread. It's amazing what the Holiday season will do us sometimes. :smiliedance:

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-03-2013, 05:59 PM
i own my own compounding comany.



Someone should have come back and said "I'll com-Pound my fist in your face", because although childish it would have been incredibly awesome. I'm disappointed in the insult comebacks on this site. Carry on.

Showtime100
12-03-2013, 06:05 PM
Someone should have come back and said "I'll com-Pound my fist in your face", because although childish it would have been incredibly awesome. I'm disappointed in the insult comebacks on this site. Carry on.

You had your chance. :this: :tease:

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-03-2013, 06:18 PM
You had your chance. :this: :tease:

I felt like I was late to the party, and I couldn't compete with dude's stunning good looks. I'm ugly and proud anyway.

Ok actually contributing to the topic at hand. As most have conferred, if it's company policy then there is no news. I worked security at Red Rocks amphitheater for a short stint in college many moons ago, the first rule of working there was - Don't talk to, F with, or even look strangely at the talent. It's very common in security companies to institute those rules. I work in A/V production now and sometimes do events with national acts, and it's basically an unwritten (sometimes actually written) rule among stagehands and production companies.

StarStruck
12-03-2013, 07:52 PM
It is my understanding that security and event staff personnel are under strict guidelines in regards to any association with celebrities they serve. I have heard that some celebrities don't want staff to make any eye contact or look the other way when they appear.

It seems unfair since that could be the only time am employee could get a picture or autograph if the celebrity was willing and didn't feel imposed upon. In this case, it appears that Brady had a bigger smile than the guard. BUT, those are the rules that are set up front for whatever reason, and grounds for termination if they broken.

powda
12-03-2013, 07:58 PM
I've worked security at some very high dollar events with shaq, warren moon, and a dozen other celebrities you'd recognize (athletes, politicians, musicians, movie stars) , and there's a universal understanding in the industry that you don't poke and prod like a fan. If the celebrity wants to be sociable and strike up a conversation, cool. Be friendly. But you don't ask them for photos, autographs, or any other fan club bs. I have little doubt the 2 recently unemployed knew what they were risking. No sympathy here.

acal21
12-03-2013, 09:38 PM
Mcnair needs to hire these guys to be the GM, Kubiak would have already been fired.. and they know a good QB when they see him

handswarmer
12-03-2013, 10:00 PM
Was Schaub working the camera?

Couldn't have been

If it was, when Schaub tossed the camera back, the Supervisor would have intercepted it for "Pick Yer Fired"

NCTexan
12-03-2013, 10:07 PM
LOL! Sounds like a Yankee. Ignorant AND arrogant.

By the way, comPany is spelled with a P and I'm has an apostrophe smart guy.

Multi-quote function man. You can respond in one post! Makes it easier to follow conversation and reduces clutter.

Not an attack! Just a request.

htowntexans1985
12-04-2013, 07:01 AM
Only thing I'm mad at, is the dude didn't ask Brady to throw up the "H". :kitten:

CloakNNNdagger
12-04-2013, 01:32 PM
Texans proud, McNair proud, Houston proud.:toropalm:

Texas security guards fired after taking pictures with Tom Brady (http://www.fox4now.com/features/4inyourcorner/Texas-security-guards-fired-after-taking-pictures-with-Tom-Brady-234250591.html)

Joel Williams, who was working security at Reliant Stadium, said he took his part-time job very seriously.

“When you are at your post and you’re doing your job, you’re not supposed to take pictures with anybody because your job is to secure that area,” Williams said Monday.

But after the game, Williams said he was ready to clock out when he had a chance run-in with Brady.

“I said, ‘Hey Tom Brady, good job, good game man.’ He looked at me and smiled,” Williams said. “He was very polite, very nice guy, humble. Sometimes I see players and say hello, and they just keep walking.”

The interaction led to a picture of the two posing together.

“Immediately after I took the picture, I got ran down by a supervisor,” Williams said. “They didn’t’ really give a reason, they said you know you’re wrong and you’re fired."

Williams’ co-worker Christopher Moore also took a picture with the Patriots star quarterback.

He wonders why they were targeted, especially since he says he has seen other employees do the same.

“What they say and what they practice are two different things,” Moore said, “What we see on a daily basis, whether it be Reliant or CSC employees, is them taking picture and asking for autographs from players.”

Contemporary Services Corporation, or CSC, sent KHOU 11 News this statement:

“It is strictly against CSC policy for its employees to request photos or autographs from players. CSC stands by its decision to terminate the two employees who violated this policy.”

However, Williams doesn’t believe he did anything wrong since he had completed his duties for the day.

“Throw away all the trash from the sidelines, escort all the people out, then we’re through.” Williams said.

In fact, the Texas South University graduate student said he will miss his part-time job.

“I loved the job, I loved interacting, being a part of it…just being on the field, just cool being a part of that.”

Exascor
12-04-2013, 02:13 PM
Yeah. Not that big of a deal IMO. Already discussed here Doc. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103275

2012Champs
12-04-2013, 02:14 PM
Texans proud, McNair proud, Houston proud.:toropalm:

Texas security guards fired after taking pictures with Tom Brady (http://www.fox4now.com/features/4inyourcorner/Texas-security-guards-fired-after-taking-pictures-with-Tom-Brady-234250591.html)




Read the article. Two guards were employed by and fired by CSC not the Texans. The terminations have zero to do with the Texans org

TheMatrix31
12-04-2013, 02:19 PM
But a lot of people are going to think so. *sigh*

CloakNNNdagger
12-04-2013, 02:47 PM
Yeah. Not that big of a deal IMO. Already discussed here Doc. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103275


Thanks, I didn't notice that thread. MODS, PLEASE MERGE


Read the article. Two guards were employed by and fired by CSC not the Texans. The terminations have zero to do with the Texans org

I read the article, thank you. My initial comment still stands..........this incident generated by CSC (which is contracted by the Texans) will be and has certainly been seen as a Texans thingy outside of Houston................I am sure that the Texans, McNair and Houston will be clambering for as many such "minor" similar "positive" pieces as they can collect to go with all of the rest of the "major" humiliations they have managed to generate all by their lonesomes.

2012Champs
12-04-2013, 03:00 PM
Thanks, I didn't notice that thread. MODS, PLEASE MERGE




I read the article, thank you. My initial comment still stands..........this incident generated by CSC (which is contracted by the Texans) will be and has certainly been seen as a Texans thingy outside of Houston................I am sure that the Texans, McNair and Houston will be clambering for as many such "minor" similar "positive" pieces as they can collect to go with all of the rest of the "major" humiliations they have managed to generate all by their lonesomes.




I know many people see this as a Texans' thing however it is just pure ignorance. I understand CSC is contracted by the Texans however the Texans didnt, dont and dont want to make the hiring/firing calls for the CSC staff. I think the policy CSC is fine and I am sure the Texans dont want security staff going up to player for any reason not related to security

Uncle Rico
12-04-2013, 04:23 PM
Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.

Lord Bills
12-04-2013, 05:09 PM
i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.

Thorn
12-04-2013, 05:11 PM
Who cares if the Texans did or didn't have anything to do with it? That organization is in the outhouse this season anyway. What's one more pile of poop?

2012Champs
12-04-2013, 06:01 PM
i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.


At what point were the texans involved ? What did the texans have to do with it?

Fred
12-04-2013, 10:24 PM
Instigated by the team or not as the thread title clearly stated in a national view we are jokes. Won't fire inept managers, but will allow contractors to axe employees on the spot for something so clearly harmless? Damn shame.

Didn't really need this event to shine a light on a pathetic football organization. But it does sting.

All you 'company men' can start your codes of conduct jargon now.

If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.

i cant believe people dont think the texans had anything to do with this firing.

its mind boggling how far fans will defend their team/athletes.

People aren't "defending their team" it's just that we have actually had jobs in the real world.

A little unsolicited advice for you: get a real job (your allowance doesn't count). Then kiss your mommy goodbye and move out already. Apartments have microwaves and laundry rooms, you will survive. (It's OK to go to mom's on Sunday night for dinner. But you can't move back in).

disaacks3
12-04-2013, 11:42 PM
If you meddle in your contractors hiring / firing decisions, then they are not independent contractors they are employees. Employees that you never paid payroll taxes for, never paid unemployment tax for, never contibuted to their 401K, never let into the health insurance plan, etc etc etc. If you are a real business, you don't want to go there. So you don't interfere when your contractor enforces their workplace rules.

I've worked in two separate industries as a contractor where meddling is the 'norm'. The funniest part? One of them is private security.

They can't be considered employees unless you have folks performing the exact same duties who actually ARE employees. That's your starting point. In addition, every Security contract I've ever seen gives the client the right to have personnel removed from any account for any reason.

I've also been personally involved in an incident where the client told the company that if they wanted to keep the account (most security contracts can be voided by the client quite easily), they would quit threatening the "preferred" guard.

ABM, Allied, Pinkerton, Black Hawk, Top Gun...the list goes on, but let's not pretend that clients don't tell the security companies what to do. It happens with regularity.

ThaShark316
12-05-2013, 12:30 AM
This = Platinum Security firing someone at Minute Maid. I work around these cats; they ain't got **** to do with the Astros other than security. That said, you have to keep in mind that we don't know WHAT they are told by the Texans, etc. You might have caught a supervisor on a ****ty day. Some companies are strict, some don't care (as long as you aren't a distraction, etc).

Need to hear the other side, and need to hear what the some superiors think.

handswarmer
12-05-2013, 07:06 AM
Rules are rules.

Be accountable for your actions. Realize the consequences of your actions.

Uncle Rico
12-05-2013, 07:51 AM
Rules are rules.

Be accountable for your actions. Realize the consequences of your actions.

Ray Lewis says hi.

CloakNNNdagger
12-05-2013, 07:59 AM
Making the rounds. From the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/security-guards-tom-brady-fired-pictures-video_n_4377779.html):

"I wasn't threatening anybody. The sideline experience was over the game was over. I was just really congratulating the winning team. There have been times before when I've taken pictures with other people that weren't Tom Brady, or winners, somebody who just defeated the Texans, it was perfectly okay,” Williams told WHDH-TV 7News in Boston.

steelbtexan
12-05-2013, 08:49 AM
You are held accountable as long as you aren't a player, coach, or gm.

Repped

2012Champs
12-05-2013, 09:05 AM
Making the rounds. From the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/security-guards-tom-brady-fired-pictures-video_n_4377779.html):


Did the other pictures he took occur in front of his manager ?

steelbtexan
12-05-2013, 09:12 AM
Sure seems to be a lot of personal attacks and general asshattery going on in Texans Talk these days...

People on both sides of this seem to think they are the smartest men in the room. Which probably means neither one of them are near as smart as they think they are.

silvrhand
12-05-2013, 09:18 AM
Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.

Playoffs
12-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.

Everything is the Texans fault.

My car needs new tires... thanks a lot, Texans. :pissed:

handswarmer
12-05-2013, 04:06 PM
Ray Lewis says hi.

Thanks!

Ed Reed says "Thanks for $5.5 Million!"

I keed I keed:voodoo:

Marshall
12-08-2013, 03:07 AM
I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.
:swatter:

I read about people like you 35 years ago under the heading of "Delusions of Grandeur" in my psych textbook.

Marshall
12-08-2013, 03:14 AM
You'd have to show that someone "bugged" somebody.

You'd also need to show how this has led to the company losing business elsewhere / previously.

You'd also need to show that no other entities approached said athlete for pictures in the same setting.

You'd still be liable for claims if your existing policy suffered selective enforcement, when it regarded an off-duty employee, especially an hourly one.

"At will" is great, until you open your big mouth and say WHY the employee was let go.

As long as the termination is not for an illegal reason, there is no recourse, "At Will" means any reason or no reason. (Illegal discrimination being the rare example which trumps At Will.)

Liability would be limited to claims of breech of contract if there is an employment contract which has been violated.

YeaLikeRightNow
12-08-2013, 03:30 AM
Who cares if the Texans did or didn't have anything to do with it? That organization is in the outhouse this season anyway. What's one more pile of poop?

This about sums it all up...:kitten:

Texanmike02
12-08-2013, 12:18 PM
Welcome to the new America, it's not my fault it's someone's else. Take responsibility for your actions, if you signed the contract that says no pictures, then no pictures. You still have your jacket, name tag, and access in a secured area... Suck it up.

MSR

Mike

JB
12-08-2013, 02:00 PM
MSR

Mike

got him for ya

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:23 PM
This was one of the weakest moves Mcnair has ever made. I wouldn't call Mcnair classy after this. These are just some low paid security guards who are working for the worst team in the league and wanted a picture with a legend at QB. Big deal. If the Texans won that game this would have never happened. Bob and Smith got butt hurt and took it out on some low paid security guards. Really pathetic.

JB
12-08-2013, 02:27 PM
This was one of the weakest moves Mcnair has ever made. I wouldn't call Mcnair classy after this. These are just some low paid security guards who are working for the worst team in the league and wanted a picture with a legend at QB. Big deal. If the Texans won that game this would have never happened. Bob and Smith got butt hurt and took it out on some low paid security guards. Really pathetic.

It's a reach saying McNair had anything to do with this... c'mon man, you're better than this

2012Champs
12-08-2013, 02:38 PM
This was one of the weakest moves Mcnair has ever made. I wouldn't call Mcnair classy after this. These are just some low paid security guards who are working for the worst team in the league and wanted a picture with a legend at QB. Big deal. If the Texans won that game this would have never happened. Bob and Smith got butt hurt and took it out on some low paid security guards. Really pathetic.


You either can't read or didn't read the article

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 02:41 PM
You either can't read or didn't read the article

I read the title which should be what the article is about unless someone posted a misleading title. Thanks for the snarky little response though. :shades:

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 02:45 PM
I read the title which should be what the article is about unless someone posted a misleading title. Thanks for the snarky little response though. :shades:

A supervisor from the company that employed the guard (which had a policy against approaching players) saw him taking pictures with Brady and walked up on the spot and fired him. McNair was not involved.

2012Champs
12-08-2013, 02:47 PM
I read the title which should be what the article is about unless someone posted a misleading title. Thanks for the snarky little response though. :shades:

It's okay to be lazy sometimes

thunderkyss
12-08-2013, 05:24 PM
What say you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24319478/texans-security-guards-fired-for-taking-photo-with-tom-brady

I hope McNair doesn't find out about Arian swapping jerseys with Ray Lewis.



:kitten:

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:30 PM
A supervisor from the company that employed the guard (which had a policy against approaching players) saw him taking pictures with Brady and walked up on the spot and fired him. McNair was not involved.

But come on man, to fire the guys for a picture? I could see if Brady was irritated or something or if they became a big distraction. I just see this as a few security guards wanting to shake the guy's hand and wanting to get a quick picture with a legendary QB.

infantrycak
12-08-2013, 11:37 PM
But come on man, to fire the guys for a picture? I could see if Brady was irritated or something or if they became a big distraction. I just see this as a few security guards wanting to shake the guy's hand and wanting to get a quick picture with a legendary QB.

I didn't say it was right. Just providing the background.

I can understand why they have the policy but the discretion which was heavy handed was the supervisor on the spot.

Texecutioner
12-08-2013, 11:47 PM
I didn't say it was right. Just providing the background.

I can understand why they have the policy but the discretion which was heavy handed was the supervisor on the spot.

I can understand the policy as well, but I just think a warning or a write up would be a better result. I could see if they were doing this every week, but they probably just got caught up in the moment since it was Brady. I could see guys doing that back in the day for Montana or Unites as well.

2012Champs
12-09-2013, 10:10 AM
I can understand the policy as well, but I just think a warning or a write up would be a better result. I could see if they were doing this every week, but they probably just got caught up in the moment since it was Brady. I could see guys doing that back in the day for Montana or Unites as well.



Well since you arent their super, you ideal punishments dont really mean much

Texecutioner
12-09-2013, 10:56 AM
Well since you arent their super, you ideal punishments dont really mean much

No **** sherlock. We were sort of discussing this in context of the situation. It sounds pretty obvious that you would have fired these guys and been pretty happy about it though. YOu seem to be looking for a battle with me over this. Bored much?

2012Champs
12-09-2013, 11:05 AM
No **** sherlock. We were sort of discussing this in context of the situation. It sounds pretty obvious that you would have fired these guys and been pretty happy about it though. YOu seem to be looking for a battle with me over this. Bored much?


Im not looking for any battle. Ive never been happy about any of the folks Ive terminated so I dont think I would have been in this situation either